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Re: Call to action on David Hicks
Reply #15 - Feb 12th, 2007 at 7:41pm
 
Nothing surprises me.  Until a few years ago - stories like this only happened in third world countries, now we're involved.

The brutality and torture the American military are inflicting on POW's and others who may be innocent is horrific - yet it is just becoming standard practice.

I can't see David Hicks coming back to Australia alive.  If he does manage to survive, he will be mentally damaged and probably not capable of remembering anything.

How Australia managed to involve themselves in these illegal activities is beyond me.  We used to have a reputation as a decent country, yet by association with Bush, we have  lowered ourselves to the level this President has dragged the Americans down to.
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Reply #16 - Feb 13th, 2007 at 5:08pm
 
David hicks is very guilty. He helped the guerilla forces in kosovo and apon returning to Australia he converted to radical islam. Then he went to pakistan where he fought indian forces in kashmere then went to afghanistan to help the taliban. He has trained with al quida (or however ya spell that camel jockey word) and fought against allied forces and that is HIGH TREASON! I say let him ROT.
And for all those muslim terrorists who have been caught in Australia there should be two choices for our government to make.

1- Retain prisoner in solitary confinement for life.
The reason i state this very harsh measure is if you only give the terrorist only a 20-50 year sentence
when he gets out,he will commit on his attack or alternatively he will convince others to do it. in solitary confinement he cannot communicate with others and therefore is rendered harmless to society.

2-Deportation.
This measure is perhaps best but has a good point and a bad point.
The good point is the tax payer will not have to pay for his upkeep and will free up room for other prisoners. The bad point is where ever he is sent he will continue his terroristic program in his new country AND there is also the chance he could return under a different guise and carry out his evil mission here.
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Re: Call to action on David Hicks
Reply #17 - Feb 13th, 2007 at 7:24pm
 
If he really is so guilty they should have no trouble bringing him to justice. Properly, that is. After all, justice delayed is justice denied.

And if they caught any real terrorists here in Australia, I would not be giving them a get out of jail free card (deporation).
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Reply #18 - Feb 13th, 2007 at 9:06pm
 
Heres my theory on why the U.S have kept him so long before trial.......
Its happened before in history!
On the 8th of november 1939 an assassination attempt on Adolf Hitler failed at the burgerbraukeller on the anniversary of the munich putsch. The would be assassin was George Elser. He placed a timebomb in one of the timber pillars just behind the podium. He had set the bomb to explode at 9:30 pm,half way through hitlers address. This night though,Hitler started his speech early due to the war at 8:10 pm and finished at 9pm.He escaped the blast.
Later that week the Gestapo caught Elser trying to cross the swiss border illegally and was searched,finding plans and watch parts.
Here's where i make my comparison.  George Elser was then sent to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp, where he was retained for the duration of the war. The plan was that when germany won the war, they would parade him to the defeated british ( hitler beleived elser was a british agent) as a humiliation to the allies. Of course germany eventually lost the war so in 1945 George Elser was moved to dachau and shot.
The U.S is doing the exact same thing with hicks, the U.S im sure planned to boast about their victory over bin ladens lot to the world. And unfortunatly the U.S is about to lose their war once Obama gets in (if he does). So as history shows, hicks will be judged very soon.(unfortunatly,not shot).
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Re: Call to action on David Hicks
Reply #19 - Feb 14th, 2007 at 10:46am
 
I don't think our justice system should be taking a precedent from the Nazis. Our history is full of injustice, lynchings and what have you. This is not a good reason to deny a person a fair trial, or to delay a trial unreasoanbly. I am really surprised that it is America that is behind this, given their pride in their justice system. The true measure of how just a society is, is in how fairly it treats those who are unpopular. Don't mistake the concerns of most 'left wing' people as a belief in his innocence, a desire to set him free or sympathy for terrorists. It is a concern about the erosion of justice. That is why it is a bunch of lawyers (not tree hugging hippies) that put the call to action together.
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Reply #20 - Feb 14th, 2007 at 4:09pm
 
I agree with your principle 100% He should have had his trial immediately after capture and interrogation. Yes the judicial system is the main culprit, for people who murder,rape,molest children and defraud the system, they only really get a slap on the wrist. CHANGES ARE NEEDED!
And dont worry, im not at war with the left...........yet!
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Reply #21 - Feb 15th, 2007 at 4:24pm
 
We shouldn't be making any judgements against David Hicks.  Most of the so called crimes have only been hearsay and media gossip.

If he had done all the things that he is being accused of - the US wouldn't have had a problem with charges.  The last lot of charges they had against him were pathetic.  It had taken them more than 4 years to come up with a lot of poppycock and they made no sense at all.

This time around they've had to rewrite their military manual and pass through a new Military Act 2006 so the charges could be made retrospective - which means they couldn't come up with anything until someone could invent a crime which sounded feasible. 

This is the new "retrospective charge:

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providing material support for terrorists under the Military Commissions Act of 2006


It seems to me that it's taken them 5 years to rack their brains on how to get around a situation where there is nothing substantial to charge Hicks with.
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Reply #22 - Feb 15th, 2007 at 4:34pm
 
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providing material support for terrorists under the Military Commissions Act of 2006


Gosh I hope they don't here about our AWB exec  Grin They funnelled in more money than David could dream of.
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Re: Call to action on David Hicks
Reply #23 - Feb 18th, 2007 at 4:17pm
 
I see the Guantanamo Bay facility as being a bit like letting the school bullies run the detention system. I would like to see David tried either in the country where the alleged crimes occurred - under their laws - or by the UN or back here in Oz. He is entitled to a fair trial in a reasonable time-frame - and that reasonable time-frame has long since expired.
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Reply #24 - Feb 18th, 2007 at 5:07pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/PM-using-Hicks-to-save-political-skin/2007/02/18/1171733601188.html

The Australian Greens have accused John Howard of tawdry politics over a deal with the United States to return Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks.

Under the deal, Hicks would be returned to Australia following his trial on terror charges by the end of this year - and possibly before the October/November federal election.
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Reply #25 - Feb 19th, 2007 at 9:12am
 
I can't see Hicks being brought back this year.  Howard is all rhetoric as usual and to put the icing on the cake, we have Costello mouthing off to the Australian public that Hicks "could have killed Australians".  Costello is a barrister and should know better than to plant these seeds of propaganda.

There was an interesting article this morning in the SMH:

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Mr Costello told Channel Ten yesterday that Mr Hicks faced very serious charges. "The charges include the fact that he armed himself and prepared himself to kill coalition soldiers - could easily have been Australian soldiers," he said.

However, according to the charge sheet provided by US prosecutors, Mr Hicks left the front line where Taliban and US-backed Northern Alliance fighters were engaged after only two hours, in early November 2001.

US prosecutors say he then told other fighters he was leaving the country, and that he was arrested after three weeks in hiding, after selling his weapon to raise funds to escape to Pakistan.

The full contingent of Australia's SAS troops arrived in Afghanistan in December, and it was several weeks before they began operations.

Indeed, one of the few differences between the first charge sheet produced by US prosecutors in 2004 and the second made public last week is that a reference to Australian troops being possible targets of Mr Hicks was removed.



http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/costello-points-the-finger-at-hicks/2007/02/18/1171733612758.html

These lies come from our Primeminister in waiting.
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Reply #26 - Feb 19th, 2007 at 3:04pm
 
I hope he stays there forever.Rightly or wrongly our elected government of the day has gone with Bush to fight terrorism.This idiot was on the opposing force,thats treason.
3 keywords here
Elected
Terrorism
Treason
A 4th one could be idiot but that would be unkind
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Re: Call to action on David Hicks
Reply #27 - Feb 20th, 2007 at 7:38pm
 
I am apalled that these charges have been cooked up..just when I thought America couldnt shock or appall me anymore.

I hope Mantra is wrong and after all this time he does manage to get back, either by extradition and placed in one of our jails or set free, the latter being very unlikely.

The PM is now talking "Hicks "all over the palce and yet for the previous 5 yrs , nothing.!!  ZIP.

Well pples there is an election to consider isnt there? And Rudd well Im not sure to date if Ive even heard anyhthing pass his lips re Hicks..but even so I would hazard a guess he woild make more inroads into this process than Howard ever would or want to .[font=Sans-Serif][/font]
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Reply #28 - Feb 20th, 2007 at 7:43pm
 
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"US President George Bush is pledging to do all he can to speed up David Hicks' trial, promising the Australian will be "first in line" to get his day in court.

Mr Bush made the promise to Prime Minister John Howard during a telephone call this morning, in which he vowed to "do everything he could to make sure the process was pushed along".

"He said that Hicks was the first in the line, and he understood very much the concerns that I had," Mr Howard said.

Under growing pressure from his own backbench and aware of increasing concerns in the community over the US handling of the Hicks case, Mr Howard has put Washington on notice that it needs to act without delay.

A Crikey Morgan Poll of 400 voters in Mr Howard's electorate of Bennelong found 62 per cent of people wanted the government to ask the US to return Hicks to Australia.

Thirty one per cent believe Hicks should remain in US custody to face trial.

Mr Howard, who will raise the matter with US Vice President Dick Cheney when they meet on Saturday, said Mr Bush understood his concerns.

"He was sensitive to that," he told ABC Radio.

"I said that there could be no more significant slippage in the process of moving towards David Hicks in getting his day in court, that the concern in this country was in relation to his continued detention without trial."

Adelaide-born Hicks, 31, has been in the US military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba for more than five years since being picked up in Afghanistan in late 2001.

Former military judge Susan Crawford is considering the charges recommended against Hicks - attempted murder and providing support from terrorism.

Once the charges have formally been served, there is a 120-day deadline for the military commission trial to begin.

But if Hicks' trial is further delayed by appeals outside his control, the government has hinted it is looking at alternatives to return him to Australia.

Under current laws the government cannot impose control orders to manage a situation like Hicks' return but Attorney-General Philip Ruddock says he is examining his options.

"There are difficulties and these are matters that I have to look at, if these matters are going to be pursued," he told SBS Television's Insight program.

"I am looking at all the potential options that I might have to address in various circumstances."

Mr Ruddock raised the issue of how Hicks might feel if he was brought home before getting a chance to clear his name.

But Hicks' US military lawyer, Major Michael Mori, said: "David Hicks won't complain if they bring him home (and) he didn't get to clear his name."

"David will do whatever he's asked," he said.

And as Treasurer Peter Costello urged the public not to sanctify Hicks, Mr Ruddock maintained he was entitled to a presumption of innocence"

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http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/bush-pledge-to-howard-over-hicks/2007/02/20/1171733756081.html

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His sudden emapathy and urgency is so touching I do declare.!!

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Reply #29 - Feb 21st, 2007 at 4:45pm
 
It may be another two years before we get Hicks back here.  Under the new charges being considered, two republican judges have deemed the revised military laws legal wherein Hicks trial can be judged on hearsay evidence and no right of appeal. 

I think his solicitor is now going to go to the Supreme Court again, so it will probably be a long slow wait.
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