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I agree 100%.  Man has excelled through war.
exept that abo's did not have true societies while Native Americans did.

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And thats fine, as long as we dont enter into American capitalism.
Our Defense force needs buiding up.


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Why? free markets destroy our local businesses and communism annihilates it.

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Communism is ownership of ALL. what you are talking about here is how general society works.
It aint communist.


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I believe in tarrifs.

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The idea of Communism  was invented for countries of large class divisions to ensure the equality of all peoples. In reality, corruption reigns supreme as the rich (intelligencia) reigns supreme over the system thus, only by the book can the stupid can rule. But it is never the case. imagine a country ruled by idiots! FAMINE.
Yes i have Read George Orwells 1984 and it horrifies me- so many things today exist which are akin;    IE   ; cameras every where. Although i have not yet met the black haired girl to have a root with in the fields lately unfortunately!

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING! (U.S.A)



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No worries, i spew poo all the time

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2007 at 10:50am:


Western society.

My god man! Denial of an aboriginal culture prior to white settlement is about as ignorant and pig headed as it gets!

The law of this country has declared 'terra nullius' to be untruthful and unlawful - a direct legal acknowledgement of aboriginal culture.

They even had permenant dwellings in places! They constructed some of the earliest engineering feats known to man through redirection of water courses and building of fish traps etc. Aborigines had a strict breeding program (for want of a better term) whereby they made sure bloodlines did not mix outside of their own plans. This was a direct understanding of the dangers of inbreeding, they knew about this because they kept their communities to the bare minimum for the required genetic diversity that prevents inbreeding. They had an unquestionable mastery of the complexity of their environment and sought to live as close to harmoniously with the environment as they could. There is much to be learned from Australian Aboriginal culture that will help us with future challenges in terms of the environment. Thousands of languages stretching across every square inch of this continent and vastly differing cultures with unsurpassed understanding of their surroundings at any particular time in history, some of the oldest use of tools and trade the planet has known and you say they had no society???

And now this utterly ridiculous comment about 'society' meaning 'western european'... jesus just crawl back into whatever hole you came out of... this is not 1807! this is 2007 

Zoso..and aus nat..they also farmed theyre land, as well  fish traps you mentioned and yes they did have dwellings..They also manipulated breeding 'programs' and  practiced infanticide..due to the survuival of the tribe being the priority overall.. the sick and elderly were left behind to die for thsoe who were nomadic and this for the same reason.

They had a wide knowledge of bush medicine all derived from the bush and served them well as treatments for most things that ailed them It was invasion that bought the real threats of foreign illness..as well as tobacco, alcohol and unhealthy westernised diet..sugar and processes flours etc.

The Abl pple when looking to compare the survival of the fittest and most harmoniously in tune with theyre environment, survived over 50 thousand yrs this way....not like the white counterparts , whos mangaed to poison his air water and environment in 200 hundred short yearsAnd well on the way to killing the environmental health of the whole world.



Westrn man can learn so much from Indigenous cultures the world over. They Rea the SUPERIOR species!!!  No contest. They are not stupid enough to allow 'progress ' to contamniate his world so it becomes uninhabitable..now thats stupid!!!!

The mode of life and material cultures varied greatly from region to region. While Torres Strait Island populations were agriculturalists who supplemented their diet through the acquisition of wild foods the remainder of Indigenous Australians were hunter-gatherers. Indigenous Australians along the coast and rivers were also expert fishermen. Some Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders relied on the dingo as a companion animal, using it to assist with hunting and for warmth on cold nights.

"Indigenous Australians did practise agriculture. Torres Strait Islanders were skilled farmers and herdsmen, cultivating a variety of crops including sugar cane, taro and sweet potato as well as husbanding pigs and cassowaries. In contrast Australian Aborigines did not cultivate any crops and lacked any domestic food animals. Some writers have described some mainland Indigenous food and landscape management practices as "incipient agriculture"[13]. In present-day Victoria, for example, there were two separate communities with an economy based on eel-farming in complex and extensive irrigated pond systems; one on the Murray River in the state's north, the other in the south-west near Hamilton, which traded with other groups from as far away as the Melbourne area (see Gunditjmara).

On mainland Australia no animal other than the dingo was domesticated, however domestic pigs were utilised by Torres Strait Islanders. The typical Indigenous diet included a wide variety of foods, such kangaroo, emu, wombats, goanna, snakes, birds, many insects such as honey ants and witchetty grubs. Many varieties of plant foods such as taro, nuts, fruits and berries were also eaten. (see Bush Tucker)."

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I can paste a link..this on Wikipedia and has a comprehensive article on agricuture for Indigenous pple.

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 2:39pm:

It is also argued by some that their bushfire practices can be regarded as agricultural in nature. Firestick farming they call it - another thing that good ole whitey has messed up. Although I will point out that many also argue the aborigines promoted the dry species through their practices and as such have left to the land dependent on back burning in order to keep the real bushfires controlled - this is what we have failed to keep up.

Ausgirl I won't give the Aborigines complete perfect harmony with nature, although I agree they were light-years ahead of whitey. It is now known that many species were hunted to extinction in the early days of Aboriginal settlement, it is also argued by some like Flannery that this is partly the cause of our bushfire problems and back-burning dependence. The argument is complex, but more or less Flannery suggests that many large herbivorous marsupials that were wiped out were responsible for cleaning the forest floors, which is what back-burning does, without these species the fires that resulted wiped out anything but fire loving plants, leaving us where we are. You can however give them the fact that extinctions occurred in the very early days of Aboriginal settlement in Australia, and they very much did learn to be harmonious with their surroundings as time progressed.

I'd be very suprised if we were able to keep up our 'great' and 'mighty' western civilisation the way it is today for 50+ thousand years (some now think Aboriginal settlement goes back some 80,000 years!). We will be lucky to make it to 300 years without absolutely massive cultural changes!

I don't get the whole fire issue. Wouldn't fires have burnt anyway, even without the aboriginies? Plenty are still cause by lightning, and there's nothing to stop them burning all the way up and down the coast.

How would a diprotodon cut down on fuel accumulation? Do they eat wood and fallen branches?

What book was that in? Have you read nay of Jared Diamond's books?

The greens had a policy (for a while anyway) of introducing more 'lush' vegetation, I think targetted at Northern NSW. The theory was that they could change the type of forest cover and thus prevent fires. It sounds crazy to me.