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Title: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 27th, 2021 at 7:24am
This is interesting -
the 2017 flu epidemic in Australia was worse than Covid: Number of Covid deaths after 18 months in Australia 1,231. But in only 12 months: Number of Influenza deaths in 2017 Australia 1,255. https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/3303.0~2017~Main%20Features~Deaths%20due%20to%20influenza~5 And. In 2019, 4,124 people died of flu and pneumonia. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/causes-death-australia/latest-release?fbclid=IwAR3AMWAJEspm38pxGzsDq60CN8aa_pap88C9zxUPmfzKyomSdAf0TTWCPQI |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Lisa Jones on Sep 27th, 2021 at 7:51am Bobby. wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 7:24am:
I've just double checked the total Covid19 death number in Australia: Total Covid19 deaths in Australia : 1231 <---- since 2019 to date. So it's quite clear that the death rate is nowhere near as awful. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 27th, 2021 at 7:53am Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 7:51am:
Yes - it is less than the deaths from other years. Go figure? |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Lisa Jones on Sep 27th, 2021 at 7:56am Bobby. wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 7:53am:
The entire country wasn't forced into extreme lockdown either. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:01am Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 7:56am:
It almost seems that we have been frightened too much about Covid. In my opinion Dictator Dan has over reacted to it. We have been locked down longer than any other place in the entire world. I feel like I’m losing all my friends due to not seeing them. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Lisa Jones on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:08am Bobby. wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:01am:
I'm still trying to understand HOW the nutter got another term down there as Premier. He's an abomination to Australia's political system. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by AiA on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:17am
Dunno Booby. I have never known nor heard of anyone dying of flu. Not one. Yet I can count 7 people I either knew or have met who have died of Covid just this year.
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Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:28am Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:08am:
Dan has surrounded himself with yes men and brown nosing sycophants. No one is there to tap him on the shoulder and say stop. Even the journalists at his almost daily broadcasts are hand picked so they don't ask hard questions. Registered journalist Avi Yemini tried to get into that media circus once and the cops kept him at least 150 meters away. Now we have mostly peaceful protestors brutally beaten by cops with the media egging them on. Even the so called media is all on Dan's side. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:31am AiA wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:17am:
I have known plenty of people who died in nursing homes from pneumonia - a complication of the common flu. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:38am
https://www.activistpost.com/2021/09/despite-horrifying-state-violence-brave-australians-continue-to-resist-covid-police-state.html
Despite Horrifying State Violence, Brave Australians Continue to Resist COVID Police State September 25, 2021 Multiple videos have surfaced since last weekend showing Australian militarized police in tactical gear, opening fire on unarmed citizens for simply being outside. One of the most disturbing videos captured the scene at the Shrine of Remembrance protest on Tuesday, during which hundreds of militarized police opened fire on completely peaceful protesters who simply wanted their voices to be heard. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Carl D on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:39am
I still don't understand all this hate towards Daniel Andrews?
Was he the one responsible for allowing Covid (especially the Delta variant) to arrive in Australia and (predictably) escape? Even all the hate towards Gladys Berejiklian in NSW isn't really justified although she made things a whole lot worse by not locking down quickly in June which was responsible for the huge outbreaks we're now seeing in NSW and Victoria. No... the person who is really responsible for this entire Covid mess (and all the deaths resulting from it) is currently on another 'World Tour' which will hopefully be his last before he gets the boot in the upcoming Federal election. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by aquascoot on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:42am
The truth is that a respiratory illness was usually looked upon as a blessing
It used to be referred 2 as The old man's friend Despite what some people think Human beings are not immortal What would you like to take you out Some horrible cancer that eats away at your bones for six months Or a respiratory illness where you die much more peacefully I know which one I would be choosing |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:43am Carl D wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:39am:
Explain why we in Victoria have been locked down longer than any other place in the entire world? Do you think it might have something to do with Dan? |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Carl D on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:44am aquascoot wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:42am:
I believe most normal people would prefer to choose option 3: Neither. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:45am aquascoot wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:42am:
It's almost as if death is illegal. We are prepared to destroy the economy if we can give 80 and 90 year old people an extra few months of life. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Carl D on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:50am Bobby. wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:43am:
I think Dan is actually trying to save peoples' lives. Mind you, with the antics we've seen from so many ungrateful people with demonstrations, not following lockdown rules, refusing to be vaccinated, etc., etc. I have to wonder sometimes why he's bothering to try and save the lives of idiots like that? Probably because its his job and yet another case of 'damned if you do and damned if you don't', I suppose? |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by John Dillermand on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:51am Bobby. wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:01am:
I'd prefer any leader over react than under react. ANd you have friends? |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by AiA on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:57am Bobby. wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:31am:
That is because you live in the rest home with Monk & cods. Enjoy! |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 27th, 2021 at 9:01am AiA wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:57am:
Smart arse - My dear Aunty died of pneumonia only 2 weeks after being in a rest home. That was quite a few years ago and I still miss her. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 27th, 2021 at 9:02am Carl D wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:50am:
That doesn't explain why we have been locked down longer than any other place in the entire world? What is different about Victoria? |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 27th, 2021 at 9:04am |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by aquascoot on Sep 27th, 2021 at 9:16am Carl D wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:44am:
Enlighten us as to what option three is Is it immortality Doubtful Is it dementia and not even recognising your family Highly likely For the elderly people who bounce out of bed And are continuing to live a charged existence We should definitely be seeing them as a priority For the elderly people who do not bounce out of bed And are living a miserable existence of lingering We should be asking them about their opinions And not having politicians used them in some bizarre dick measuring competition amongst the states |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by aquascoot on Sep 27th, 2021 at 9:20am
Also I would imagine most elderly residents of nursing homes in New South Wales Victoria and the ACT
Have been lying in bed with no visitors for several months Perhaps we should ask them weather they think that keeping them safe from their families is for their benefit or for the benefits of this statistic read out ad nauseam by self-interested politicians |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by NorthOfNorth on Sep 27th, 2021 at 9:23am Bobby. wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 9:04am:
A retelling of Aesop's Fable - The Wolf and the Dog. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by NorthOfNorth on Sep 27th, 2021 at 9:36am NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 9:23am:
We admire the courage of the wolf for choosing harsh freedom, but we'd choose for ourselves the fate of the dog... After all, the dog gets to live 3 times longer than the wolf. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Carl D on Sep 27th, 2021 at 9:58am aquascoot wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 9:16am:
And, as usual, aqua completely missed the point. Obviously, no-one wants to have cancer. And, no-one should/would have to die from a respiratory illness (in this case, COVID-19) if the Federal government hadn't been so incompetent and allowed Covid (particularly Delta) to get into Australia and escape despite the numerous warnings they've had since the beginning of this year about how contagious and dangerous Delta is. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Carl D on Sep 27th, 2021 at 10:15am Bobby. wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 9:02am:
Can't really answer that Bobby except to say that Victoria is the second most populated State after New South Wales and seeing as both of these States have what looks like out of control Covid outbreaks at the moment I strongly suspect population density has a lot to do with it. Not just here in Australia, but worldwide. I recall making a post in another thread last year where I said that after the pandemic is over (and keeping the very real possibility of future, possibly worse pandemics in mind) I'm hoping all of these proponents of a 'Big Australia' with a 50 million + population might stop for a minute and have a rethink. But, I'm almost certain we'll be seeing flying pigs before that happens. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Lols on Sep 27th, 2021 at 11:38am AiA wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:17am:
I do know of persons that died with flu. First one I learnt about 39 years ago (and went to his funeral) was my best friend’s father, age 57. My friend had her first born and I was expecting my first. He was a non drinker/smoker, and worked as an orchardist. Very sad as we are a farming community here and everyone knows everyone. My husband’s grandfather was age 40 when he died with pneumonia, hubby’s dad was just a baby then and youngest of five. Hard times then. But speaking of flu, colds etc. Isn’t it a miracle how restrictions have made them all disappear except not COVID. ::) me thinks that amazing. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Lols on Sep 27th, 2021 at 11:50am Bobby. wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:01am:
They and many other people are in the same boat Bobby, what we are losing is good old fashioned human association without COVID paranoia. Besides that, many people have lost more than that … their jobs, livelihoods, freedoms, trust. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Carl D on Sep 27th, 2021 at 12:06pm Sophia wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 11:38am:
Not so amazing when you consider how much more contagious COVID-19 (especially Delta) is compared to the flu. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/11/1026190062/covid-delta-variant-transmission-cdc-chickenpox Quote:
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And, the soon to arrive Lambda and Mu variants (if they're not already here) are said to be even more contagious than Delta. :o |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 27th, 2021 at 2:04pm Sophia wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 11:50am:
What if we would have had far less lockdowns? Would we have similar numbers of cases as the flu and pneumonia? In 2019, 4,124 people died of flu and pneumonia. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/causes-death-australia/latest-release?fbclid=IwAR3AMWAJEspm38pxGzsDq60CN8aa_pap88C9zxUPmfzKyomSdAf0TTWCPQI |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by aquascoot on Sep 27th, 2021 at 2:10pm Carl D wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 12:06pm:
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And, the soon to arrive Lambda and Mu variants (if they're not already here) are said to be even more contagious than Delta. :o[/quote] carl, you really are silly. check out what happened with the spanish flu in 1918. samoa was all smug and self satisfied becasue they kept it out. then it hit them and they had one of the highest death rates on the planet. you said it yourself. alpha was twice as contagious as the wild strain. delta is 5 x as contagious and 2.25 x as deadly. what the hell are you crazy western suatralians up to. you cant honestly think you can maintain your virgin status forever. covid is coming and the marathon will be run. you will just get to run it when the rest of the world is over it and you have the worst variant. FFS man, use your brain |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by John Smith on Sep 27th, 2021 at 5:56pm Carl D wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:39am:
they read and stupidly believe murdicks rags |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by John Smith on Sep 27th, 2021 at 5:59pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:01am:
ohh, goober misses his daily visits to the public toilets ::) ::) you're a moron. The lock downs aren't about the death rates,although they aren't be be totally ignored, the lock downs are there to stop our health system being over run if you had even half a brain you would have known that by now.... afterall you've already been told dozens of times over the last year |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 27th, 2021 at 9:03pm Quote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/melbourne-tradie-with-covid-slams-protesters-urges-vaccination/100489814 |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by buzzanddidj on Sep 27th, 2021 at 11:11pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:01am:
I haven't We keep in touch - via email, facebook, phone etc Any 'friend' that would cast me loose over covid - I'd be glad to see the LAST of They couldn't have been much of a 'friend' - in the FIRST place |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by buzzanddidj on Sep 27th, 2021 at 11:42pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 7:24am:
Has it ocurred to you why this might BE ! The figure has been kept this low, by all the precautions you oppose Hand sanitation Social distancing Gatherings limits Lockdowns ... and then, MASS VACCINATIONS Without these enforced measures, Australia would be a repeat of everywhere - from the US to India, whose leaders believed it would just "go away" on its own, with no precautions taken - opening the way for HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS OF DEATHS - and a total heath system collapse |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by aquascoot on Sep 28th, 2021 at 5:29am buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 11:11pm:
incorrect. there is a mountain of data looking at the brains biochemical response to human contact. contact via technology (email, sms, phone, skype, facebook) does very very little to reduce stress hormones or pormote the release of serotonin and oxytocin ( the feel good bonding chemicals). ONLY FACE TO FACE CONTACT can raise those chemicals. skype grandma in the nursing home all you like, have zoom calls to your friends. its virtually meaningless. we have evolved over 10's of 1000s of generations to have close intimate contact. to suddenly stop that is absolutely catastrophic. its like thinking a pet rock or a tamagochi is as good a freind as your dog |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by SadKangaroo on Sep 28th, 2021 at 12:39pm
Nobody is arguing that it's hard not being able to be in the same room as your friends, but if your friendship can't survive the Pandemic, you'd misjudged the strength of the friendship, or at least how much you meant to the other party vs how much they mean to you.
Blame the pandemic all you like, but it won't change that imbalance. I've been apart from so many of my friends for so long, but we were all able to meet up last weekend for a house party. We're all vaccinated and live in Queensland so we're so incredibly lucky to have been able to do it. It was great seeing everyone again, seeing how much the kids have grown and watching them play etc. Nobody is doubting for a second that this sort of contact isn't important. But again some posters are sliding back into throwing shade on the mitigation efforts and will likely pretend they've never done that in a future post sometime soon. These are tough times for many generations, but we'll all get through this because those before us got through worse. For those who do feel like you're losing your friends, even if your not, but you feel like it, reach out to them. They likely feel the same way. And if you don't feel like showing that you're not an alpha and you're begging for friendship (some of the posters here display this warped kind of thinking), use the expansion in our mental health services, even with telehealth and speak to a professional. Scoot, if you're in this category, I've no advice for you because you just want to suffer in silence, only not in silence and simply blaming everyone else around you. Good luck. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bias_2012 on Sep 28th, 2021 at 2:11pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:45am:
LOL, yes it sort of conflicts with "Voluntary euthanasia" doesn't it? You have that law down there now don't you? It's getting so we don't know whether we should die, or shouldn't die. We'll just leave it up to the politicians |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bias_2012 on Sep 28th, 2021 at 2:27pm John Smith wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 5:59pm:
So Covid is only about the Health system, it could be over-run? .... Funny stuff, wake up Smith Morrison said: "This is a hundred year virus" ... and by saying that, he was recognizing that the Spanish Flu outbreak needed far more medical requirements than were available at the time to deal with it So if virus's are a hundred year event, why wasn't there massive preparations well before Covid hit Australia? |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by SadKangaroo on Sep 28th, 2021 at 2:37pm Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 2:27pm:
One contributing factor is Morrison booby-trapped the economy thinking he'd lose the last election by taking billions out of health and putting it into the military. That way he and the media could attack Labor for either not supporting our troops by defunding the military increases and diverting it back to health, or spending like drunken sailors by restoring the funds to the health system without taking it back from the military. Luckily for Morrison, the media are in general on his side and wouldn't have reported on it and COVID hit so a blown budget isn't a problem. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by aquascoot on Sep 28th, 2021 at 2:43pm SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 12:39pm:
unfortunately i didnt really understand any of that. my point is that face to face human interaction is vital for mental health. zoom calls and skyping is no susbstitute, studies confimr this. play is vital for childrens emotional well being. especially play with other children. all over the world schools have been shut down so the elderly can be made priority number one. this is wrong. children who do not play will develop anxiety, seperation anxiety, school refusal. this is not acceptable. only one place on earth NEVER closed a primary school...sweden. the damage that has been done will probably never be fixed. catastrophic behaviour by the ideologically possessed |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 28th, 2021 at 3:02pm
Hi Aqua,
people need to get out of bed every morning with a mission - ready to take on the day - unworried by Covid numbers - which when putting them into perspective have caused far fewer deaths than flu and pneumonia than in previous years - otherwise they will live lives of pure garbage. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by buzzanddidj on Sep 28th, 2021 at 3:14pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 27th, 2021 at 8:28am:
... and here was I - all this time - thinking the Andrews Government had won an election, in a LANDSLIDE ... and based on recent polling - is destined to repeat it - in the NEXT election The majority of Victorians back him - so it matters not what the remainder of Australians think Thet're not the ones VOTING Most people couldn't tell you the NAME of the Liberal Opposition Leader, this week So impressive is their track record The mediocrity of Victoria's only one term government, of Lord Baillieu - is still fresh in many minds, over shutting down our revewable energy sector - and handing over our state and national parks to wealthy beef baron mates, gratis |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 28th, 2021 at 3:20pm buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 3:14pm:
When does the Victorian parliament sit? or is Dan ruling without any checks and balances? |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by aquascoot on Sep 28th, 2021 at 3:22pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 3:02pm:
bobby, you have been locked down more then any city on the planet. think about that. can you name other places that have higher densities of population? i can think of about 10,000. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by SadKangaroo on Sep 28th, 2021 at 3:23pm aquascoot wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 2:43pm:
That's ok, we know you're a dumb poo already. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 28th, 2021 at 3:28pm aquascoot wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 3:22pm:
We are still locked own under Dan. I'm double vaxxed - why should I be under house arrest? When does the Victorian parliament sit? or is Dan ruling without any checks and balances? |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by John Smith on Sep 28th, 2021 at 4:49pm Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 2:27pm:
because the libs are morons. There have been warnings something like this was likely to happen for decades.... instead of preparing for it, the libs decided it would be better to cut spending on preventative measures https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-deadly-coronavirus-was-inevitable-why-was-no-one-ready-for-covid-11597325213 |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by aquascoot on Sep 28th, 2021 at 5:12pm SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 3:23pm:
incorrect. i just look at things in a different light to the bed wetting selfish old farts. i care more about my offspring then i care about myself. thats always been the normal mode of being. i dont know when the entitled soft old farts reversed the natural order. disgraceful |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by John Smith on Sep 28th, 2021 at 5:37pm aquascoot wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 5:12pm:
no, he was spot on |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by SadKangaroo on Sep 28th, 2021 at 5:48pm aquascoot wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 5:12pm:
I was referring to your comprehension skills. And again you need to misrepresent what has been put to you in order to pigeon hole it into you might is right alpha rhetoric. Disgraceful indeed. The worst part is, and while I can only speak for myself, most if not all people are putting into practice what you only pay some lip services to when you're not advocating for the opposite and pushing for more death. But I wouldn't expect someone of your limited intellect to understand what I'm talking about. Here's a ball, why don't you go play in the corner and leave the grown ups to talk in piece. That's a good boy. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by aquascoot on Sep 28th, 2021 at 6:17pm SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 5:48pm:
We must balance the "pushing for more deaths " v the "pushing for more normality" you cant have both. some older sicker australians will need to be put at risk so that younger australians can have a life. there's no way around this. your world revolves around the elderly and the arguement "you cant put a price on a human life" my world revolves around ensuring my kids and grandkids have as awesome a life as i had. if i have to be exposed to covid , so my grandkids can have freedom to play sport, go to a grand final, travel interstate to see relatives, i am perfectly fine with that. you are not there in lies the difference. you wont sway my opinion. young australians ARE more important then old australians period. full stop. you are entitled to your opinion and i am entitled to mine. can you comprehend that wthout turned nasty , captain kangaroo ::) ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Frank on Sep 28th, 2021 at 6:53pm
This was a health crisis about a year ago.
Since then, and into the future, it is a political crisis. It is about how to manage Chines Flu POLITICALLY. Most of the information ANYONE is getting about Chinese Flu is from politicians and journalists in press galleries, attacking China or covering up for it. Politicians are slagging each other off across continents, for China, against China. The science is smothered and covered up by international politics, local, parochial politics, politics between old people and young people, developed and shithole countries, etc, etc. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Carl D on Sep 28th, 2021 at 8:18pm
Just for you, aqua.
https://thewest.com.au/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-crisis-west-australians-wont-accept-covid-deaths-for-reopening-survey-finds-ng-b882019542z Subscriber only article but the headline tells the story. I read it in the paper today. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by SadKangaroo on Sep 28th, 2021 at 8:34pm aquascoot wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 6:17pm:
I'm not trying to change your opinion, I'm glad that you're being up front about it. Our opinions don't differ that much despite your characterisation. Where they do differ is the timing and one important point I'll list later. You were poo pooing the mitigation efforts from the start because they were working and our deaths were low, as if they were a waste of time. Let that sink in. For your no nonsense, straight talking persona, you took the position that since everything was working and our deaths weren't at the level of the US, it was all an overreaction. That's not straight talking, that's manipulating reality to push an agenda. All to justify your line that we had to reopen because you weren't scared of the virus. Oh but now it's for the young... We've seen your motivation first hand and now you're changing the goalposts, again. That said, in an effort to reach across then aisle, we do agree that we can't put the world on hold for the old and the sick forever. We have access to vaccines and once all those who want them have had the opportunity to get them, we can start to end the notion of lockdowns and get things as close to normal as quickly as possible. Where we differ is that you wanted to open even before we had a vaccine and not for the young but because you were big and strong and not hiding under the bedsheets. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bias_2012 on Sep 28th, 2021 at 8:52pm John Smith wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 4:49pm:
The Government should be permanently pre-prepared for any pandemic that comes along, whatever party is in power, it's not a political thing, it's to deal with something that affects human tissue and organs. Politics alone won't kill viruses, but being fully re-prepared could and probably would drastically shorten the life of a virus affecting a population Our governments weren't prepared at all, so they beat us down with a stick instead. When, from what we know now, the governments deserve a whipping from us |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by John Smith on Sep 28th, 2021 at 9:05pm Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 8:52pm:
I agree they should be .... but it was scomo who pulled millions out of health, reduced our stockpiles of emergency supplies etc .. all to |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Dnarever on Sep 28th, 2021 at 9:53pm
It seems here that we are the victims of our success.
A low number of people died because of the swift action taken. On equal terms as the previous Flu's - no lock down no distancing and no masks many tens of thousands possibly even hundreds of thousands would have died. We have been remarkably successful in preventing the outcome some other countries have experienced. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by aquascoot on Sep 29th, 2021 at 5:30am Carl D wrote on Sep 28th, 2021 at 8:18pm:
WA wont accept any deaths ::) ::) thats one of the most insane headlines ive ever read. comparable with The Cairns Daily......cairns people refuse to accept any more cyclones or The Christchurch Herald.....christchurch refuses to accept any more earthquakes. heres a thought. why doesnt WA enact legislation banning the delta variant from going to WA. threaten the delta particles that they will be heavily fined if they appear. have a referendum if you like Do you support WA legislating that it is illegal for delta to enter WA? yes or no. i'm sure you and gweg and rhino will vote yes and then you can go to bed feeling all smug and safe and self satisfied ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Marla on Sep 29th, 2021 at 7:40am |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Carl D on Sep 29th, 2021 at 8:02am aquascoot wrote on Sep 29th, 2021 at 5:30am:
Here's a thought, aqua. Perhaps its the majority of the people of WA, not the pollies, who won't accept Covid deaths as a result of reopening? Anyway, since it was probably difficult for you to deduce that from the headline only here's the actual article from yesterday's West Australian. Enjoy! :) ![]() |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by SadKangaroo on Sep 29th, 2021 at 8:21am aquascoot wrote on Sep 29th, 2021 at 5:30am:
You're always so dramatic Scoot... Does your husband know you go off like this online? |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by aquascoot on Sep 29th, 2021 at 10:17am Carl D wrote on Sep 29th, 2021 at 8:02am:
Understood Carl Tomorrow's headline should read Western Australia demand 0 road deaths Introduces new 10 km per hour speed limit ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Carl D on Sep 29th, 2021 at 11:21am
What our headlines should read:
Something needs to be done about idiots like these. Followed up by: And, something should be done about this, as well. Before we end up like New South Wales and Victoria. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by greggerypeccary on Sep 29th, 2021 at 11:28am Carl D wrote on Sep 29th, 2021 at 11:21am:
Yep. But we all knew it was going to happen. It was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v0rKdlbDyU |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Carl D on Sep 29th, 2021 at 11:45am greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2021 at 11:28am:
As long as Gillon McLachlan and the AFL have their estimated 40 million dollars its all good... doesn't matter if we have a major Covid outbreak here as a result. From today's West Australian: Quote:
Let's see how happy everyone is if we have a Covid outbreak very soon. Not that the AFL will care of course now that they have their money. ![]() |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Carl D on Sep 29th, 2021 at 12:25pm
I'm also betting Annastacia Palaszczuk is in panic mode right now with Queensland Covid cases appearing in the past 2 days and they have the NRL Grand Final there this weekend.
All she's done so far is introduce restrictions. But, no lockdown... even though she said a while back that she would have a lockdown for just one Covid case. Funny about that. ::) |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Bobby. on Sep 29th, 2021 at 12:30pm Carl D wrote on Sep 29th, 2021 at 12:25pm:
She thought Queensland was immune from the Kung Flu. |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by aquascoot on Sep 29th, 2021 at 12:44pm
Man in western Australia chokes on sandwich
The premier responds You can't put a price on a human life I am there for banning sale of all solid food in the state of western Australia People will be fine just drinking shakes It is my job as the premier to keep my constituents safe ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Some perspective on Covid deaths. Post by Lols on Sep 29th, 2021 at 1:24pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 29th, 2021 at 12:30pm:
No matter how much border lock/restrictions are imposed, there’s a greater force working against us all. We have such knowledgeable leaders in our Victorian state … we really do. How safe and refreshing it is for all us peons in Victoria. |
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