Should we stand back and watch China fish within Australian territorial waters and allow their military vessels (disguised as fishing boats) to invade our space?
What do we have a navy for?
https://www.change.org/p/marise-payne-seek-discussion-with-australian-federal-government-to-review-torres-strait-treaty/psf/promote_or_share

There is nothing we can do, China has us by the nuts thanks to 30rys of greedy short sighted power hungry pc career politicians selling us out, the ccp are walking among us buying our real estate and anything of value leaving us looking like the dumbest country on earth, we should have been the wealthiest with all the resources we once had.

Our politicians have been blindsided by the Chinks and they are to scared to say anything because China will just tighten the screws a tad,, besides they are all on their summer vacation now.

Our diesel submarines are due off the production line in 30yrs, that will scare them off.

oi

It's getting that way..... more fool the NGers.... I doubt they will have nice, gentle, kind overlords ... maybe they are thinking back to the distant past when Chinese traders came with cargo cult and were nice enough guys.... the CCP are nothing of the kind - just more power-mad little people with a cruel streak a mile wide.

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 10:12am:

Should we stand back and watch China fish within Australian territorial waters and allow their military vessels (disguised as fishing boats) to invade our space? What do we have a navy for? https://www.change.org/p/marise-payne-seek-discussion-with-australian-federal-government-to-review-torres-strait-treaty/psf/promote_or_share

We have a navy?  I thought the mere threat of a gumboot was sufficient....

As someone said - what can we do?  I'll tell you what we can do first - wake up as a nation and stop any and all intrusions into our sovereign mainland.  No more sweet deals, no more kow-towing, no more 'business' people and 'government' people raising their arse to the foreigner for a fistful of dollars.... cancel leases and terminate deals.....

Have some balls for once....

Johnnie wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 12:23pm:

There is nothing we can do, China has us by the nuts thanks to 30rys of greedy short sighted power hungry pc career politicians selling us out, the ccp are walking among us buying our real estate and anything of value leaving us looking like the dumbest country on earth, we should have been the wealthiest with all the resources we once had. Our politicians have been blindsided by the Chinks and they are to scared to say anything because China will just tighten the screws a tad,, besides they are all on their summer vacation now. Our diesel submarines are due off the production line in 30yrs, that will scare them off. oi

Careful - you'll have Comrade Peccary on to you for being a right wing extremist.....

Many ordinary Chinese come here for a better life... who can blame them?  On the other hand the 'absentee landlord' type has bought in here using low to zero interest loans to buy empty apartments etc, many become citizens and then cop a gig in politics!!

THAT is the quality of your politicians here!

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 10:12am:

Should we stand back and watch China fish within Australian territorial waters and allow their military vessels (disguised as fishing boats) to invade our space? What do we have a navy for? https://www.change.org/p/marise-payne-seek-discussion-with-australian-federal-government-to-review-torres-strait-treaty/psf/promote_or_share

The Australian Navy doesn't like prospective opponents that can shoot back.

They prefer kidnapping, trafficking, and imprisoning defenseless refugees that are unarmed.

The Australian military is little more than a club med.

We do not have the weaponry of tech savvy to be able to fight off a pack of dedicated boy scouts.

It's not the brave soldiers at fault

It's the grubberment who cut back, cut up, and destroy what power we might have had.

Besides, most of our politicians these days are foreigners anyway.
You can bet they will head off home at the first sign of trouble.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 12:23pm:

There is nothing we can do, China has us by the nuts thanks to 30rys of greedy short sighted power hungry pc career politicians selling us out, the ccp are walking among us buying our real estate and anything of value leaving us looking like the dumbest country on earth, we should have been the wealthiest with all the resources we once had. Our politicians have been blindsided by the Chinks and they are to scared to say anything because China will just tighten the screws a tad,, besides they are all on their summer vacation now. Our diesel submarines are due off the production line in 30yrs, that will scare them off. oi

there is some truth to what you write but heres my perspective.

i cant see that china is being anything other then STRATEGIC and DISCIPLINED and PATIENT in the way it has expanded its influence.

as such, i think there is much to admire and many lessons to learn from china.

when i hear butt hurt australians hating on the chinese, it is analagous to a successful guy in a porche driving around with a hot chick and some homeless alcoholic sees him and calls him a c"""t.

hes not.

he is a success story you should study, you should try and get around that guy and work out how he ticks.

and you need to take "extreme ownership" of your life of "pure garbage" and see yourself as a "cautionary tale".

we can learn much from china if we will be humble and we can learn from our mistakes

these are primarily, we dont work hard, we pander to the cry babies and sooks and we devote resources to losers instead of making sure our most successful get every resource we can spare so they can be awesome

Agree but I’m unable to take a humorous approach to the suicidal mess Canberra has thrown us into.
Submarines ? Largely obsolete technology apart from being able to revenge a nuclear attack. (If theyr were armed with nuclear weapons)
I’ll never understand why we went for the French sardine tins. Maybe all those politicians who were extravagantly entertained in Paris had something to do with it?

Why we continue to allow China to buy up large chunks of Australia’s best farming land is another puzzle. Try and buy anything substantial on the Chinese property market and see what happens to you.

We have been betrayed by Canberra, and by Victoria by baring their arses to the so called ‘Belt & Road’ agreement.

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 12:58pm:

Agree but I’m unable to take a humorous approach to the suicidal mess Canberra has thrown us into. Submarines ? Largely obsolete technology apart from being able to revenge a nuclear attack. (If theyr were armed with nuclear weapons) I’ll never understand why we went for the French sardine tins. Maybe all those politicians who were extravagantly entertained in Paris had something to do with it? Why we continue to allow China to buy up large chunks of Australia’s best farming land is another puzzle. Try and buy anything substantial on the Chinese property market and see what happens to you. We have been betrayed by Canberra, and by Victoria by baring their arses to the so called ‘Belt & Road’ agreement.

Money talks.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 12:54pm:

there is some truth to what you write but heres my perspective. i cant see that china is being anything other then STRATEGIC and DISCIPLINED and PATIENT in the way it has expanded its influence. as such, i think there is much to admire and many lessons to learn from china. when i hear butt hurt australians hating on the chinese, it is analagous to a successful guy in a porche driving around with a hot chick and some homeless alcoholic sees him and calls him a c"""t. hes not. he is a success story you should study, you should try and get around that guy and work out how he ticks. and you need to take "extreme ownership" of your life of "pure garbage" and see yourself as a "cautionary tale". we can learn much from china if we will be humble and we can learn from our mistakes these are primarily, we dont work hard, we pander to the cry babies and sooks and we devote resources to losers instead of making sure our most successful get every resource we can spare so they can be awesome

Please read "The Asian Mind Game" by Chin-Ning Chu

https://tinyurl.com/y6ucjhs8

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 12:58pm:

Agree but I’m unable to take a humorous approach to the suicidal mess Canberra has thrown us into. Submarines ? Largely obsolete technology apart from being able to revenge a nuclear attack. (If theyr were armed with nuclear weapons) I’ll never understand why we went for the French sardine tins. Maybe all those politicians who were extravagantly entertained in Paris had something to do with it? Why we continue to allow China to buy up large chunks of Australia’s best farming land is another puzzle. Try and buy anything substantial on the Chinese property market and see what happens to you. We have been betrayed by Canberra, and by Victoria by baring their arses to the so called ‘Belt & Road’ agreement.

absolutely 100 % correct.

and all anger should be directed at ourselves for our collective stupidity and we need to get down, elbows deep in the mud and crawl out of this self inflicted mess and try to copy what china does.

for starters.

just try and do ice in china and see if they send you to a medicare funded rehab :-/
try and claim you have a bad back and need a disability pension  :-/
try and claim stress leave if you are a civil servant  :-/
try and claim the dole whilst there are crops to pick  :-/
try to go on strike and shut down the local mabnufacturing business :'(
try to superglue yourself to the road as part of a climate protest and disrupt traffic for hours  :'(


we have much to learn

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 1:04pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 12:54pm: there is some truth to what you write but heres my perspective. i cant see that china is being anything other then STRATEGIC and DISCIPLINED and PATIENT in the way it has expanded its influence. as such, i think there is much to admire and many lessons to learn from china. when i hear butt hurt australians hating on the chinese, it is analagous to a successful guy in a porche driving around with a hot chick and some homeless alcoholic sees him and calls him a c"""t. hes not. he is a success story you should study, you should try and get around that guy and work out how he ticks. and you need to take "extreme ownership" of your life of "pure garbage" and see yourself as a "cautionary tale". we can learn much from china if we will be humble and we can learn from our mistakes these are primarily, we dont work hard, we pander to the cry babies and sooks and we devote resources to losers instead of making sure our most successful get every resource we can spare so they can be awesome Please read "The Asian Mind Game" by Chin-Ning Chu https://tinyurl.com/y6ucjhs8

shall do and i am an admirer of ayn rand, not so much the marx chappie  ;)

I beg to differ somewhat.... it is very difficult to NOT be 'stupid' when you have the option of two like-minded parties controlling the opportunities for election - what I labeled The Tag Team years ago now.

Also it is very difficult not to be 'stupid' when those parties will say and do anything to get elected, and will then either 'forget' their promises that actually work for the majority of the people, or cast them as 'core' or 'non-core', and basically when they never discuss their full and real agenda during the lead-up to election.

In other words, when they lie to us - and even when elected they do many things without our knowledge or consent, and NO major policy issue has ever genuinely received the stamp of approval from the public.  Add to that the reality that many of that 'public' are ignorant of the realities they are being confronted with from politicians and parties, do not understand the issues or have no knowledge or interest in anything outside their own lives, often have little to no experience of life in Australia before they get to vote, and very often have any number of partisan views that they want to push and/or have an agenda to push themselves.

It is hardly fair to label the voting public 'stupid' for failing to stop the selloff of Jūngǎng Dah Win by a ridiculously self-serving government of the Terr'uh'tree and its overpaid advisors and public servants, and what is happening is that a cordon is in process of being built around it to contain any outbreak from Jūngǎng Dah Win or to occupy it in time of need.  Very poor management on all sides and putting a fence around the paddock after the horse has bolted.

Even the local Indigenous are concerned over this new Chinese islan outpost and what it imports for their livelihoods:-

"China has just signed a MOU with PNG to build a $200m fishing facility on Daru Island.

It is imperative that Torres Strait Islander leaders discuss this issue with Australian Federal Government and the Minister for Foreign Affairs- Marise Payne, to review the Torres Strait Treaty, which allows PNG Nationals to fish in Australian waters.
Daru Island is the closest PNG island to Australia, and only on the doorstep of the Torres Strait.

Torres Strait Islanders hold grave concerns and are anxious for their jobs, livelihoods, families, communities and culture, and believe the $200m Chinese facility will “vacuum” all of the seafood, destroy their fisheries industry and run dry environmental resources.

There are concerns as to why China is investing so much money into a fisheries facility located in an area that has few fish, and many are not convinced this facility will be used entirely for said purpose.

How will small fisheries compare to a multi-million dollar facility, it will not be sustainable, and will be highly likely that China will take advantage of the Torres Strait Treaty to fish within Australian waters."

This is on Change.org from Sari-Ella Thaiday, A Torres Strait person.

Salient points for yez:-


"review the Torres Strait Treaty, which allows PNG Nationals to fish in Australian waters.
Daru Island is the closest PNG island to Australia, and only on the doorstep of the Torres Strait."

"Torres Strait Islanders hold grave concerns and are anxious for their jobs, livelihoods, families, communities and culture, and believe the $200m Chinese facility will “vacuum” all of the seafood, destroy their fisheries industry and run dry environmental resources."

"There are concerns as to why China is investing so much money into a fisheries facility located in an area that has few fish, and many are not convinced this facility will be used entirely for said purpose."

"How will small fisheries compare to a multi-million dollar facility, it will not be sustainable, and will be highly likely that China will take advantage of the Torres Strait Treaty to fish within Australian waters."






Jesus, Igor - that stoned 'em dead again - not a peep -  nobody ever wants to approach the real issues.. let's hear it from laughing stock again with some of his ridiculous personal jibes instead of considered conversation.... farken 'ell....

aquascoot wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 1:10pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 1:04pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 12:54pm: there is some truth to what you write but heres my perspective. i cant see that china is being anything other then STRATEGIC and DISCIPLINED and PATIENT in the way it has expanded its influence. as such, i think there is much to admire and many lessons to learn from china. when i hear butt hurt australians hating on the chinese, it is analagous to a successful guy in a porche driving around with a hot chick and some homeless alcoholic sees him and calls him a c"""t. hes not. he is a success story you should study, you should try and get around that guy and work out how he ticks. and you need to take "extreme ownership" of your life of "pure garbage" and see yourself as a "cautionary tale". we can learn much from china if we will be humble and we can learn from our mistakes these are primarily, we dont work hard, we pander to the cry babies and sooks and we devote resources to losers instead of making sure our most successful get every resource we can spare so they can be awesome Please read "The Asian Mind Game" by Chin-Ning Chu https://tinyurl.com/y6ucjhs8 shall do and i am an admirer of ayn rand, not so much the marx chappie  ;)

I completely agree with Rand’s epistemology as illucidated in Ronald E Merrill’s “The Ideas of Ayn Rand” in the chapter titled ‘Rand’s Theory of Concepts’ (Publ’ Open court 1991). Totally disagree with her political ideology.
Off topic again but the total snubbing of Rand by recent academic philosophers, most of whom vanished into the deconstructionist fog up their arxxholes more than a few decades ago, annoys the hell out of me. Instance she fails to crack even a mention in the Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy.
Marx and Engels are a mess.
Can’t agree 'we don’t work hard’ Some in Oz work irrationally, some work their arses off - - (You should meet my seven Gippsland dairy farmer uncles and hear what they have to say about Chinese business ‘ethics’.)
Your take on Canberra is largely mine but we need to consider the idiocy of most Australian media and their influence.

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 3:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 1:10pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 1:04pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 12:54pm: there is some truth to what you write but heres my perspective. i cant see that china is being anything other then STRATEGIC and DISCIPLINED and PATIENT in the way it has expanded its influence. as such, i think there is much to admire and many lessons to learn from china. when i hear butt hurt australians hating on the chinese, it is analagous to a successful guy in a porche driving around with a hot chick and some homeless alcoholic sees him and calls him a c"""t. hes not. he is a success story you should study, you should try and get around that guy and work out how he ticks. and you need to take "extreme ownership" of your life of "pure garbage" and see yourself as a "cautionary tale". we can learn much from china if we will be humble and we can learn from our mistakes these are primarily, we dont work hard, we pander to the cry babies and sooks and we devote resources to losers instead of making sure our most successful get every resource we can spare so they can be awesome Please read "The Asian Mind Game" by Chin-Ning Chu https://tinyurl.com/y6ucjhs8 shall do and i am an admirer of ayn rand, not so much the marx chappie  ;) I completely agree with Rand’s epistemology as illucidated in Ronald E Merrill’s “The Ideas of Ayn Rand” in the chapter titled ‘Rand’s Theory of Concepts’ (Publ’ Open court 1991). Totally disagree with her political ideology. Off topic again but the total snubbing of Rand by recent academic philosophers, most of whom vanished into the deconstructionist fog up their arxxholes more than a few decades ago, annoys the hell out of me. Instance she fails to crack even a mention in the Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy. Marx and Engels are a mess. Can’t agree 'we don’t work hard’ Some in Oz work irrationally, some work their arses off - - (You should meet my seven Gippsland dairy farmer uncles and hear what they have to say about Chinese business ‘ethics’.) Your take on Canberra is largely mine but we need to consider the idiocy of most Australian media and their influence.

ah my neighbours are dairy farmers.

now doing farm stays for rich chinese (well they were until the covid issue ::) ::)).

quadrupled their income

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aquascoot wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 4:31pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 3:49pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 1:10pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 1:04pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 12:54pm: there is some truth to what you write but heres my perspective. i cant see that china is being anything other then STRATEGIC and DISCIPLINED and PATIENT in the way it has expanded its influence. as such, i think there is much to admire and many lessons to learn from china. when i hear butt hurt australians hating on the chinese, it is analagous to a successful guy in a porche driving around with a hot chick and some homeless alcoholic sees him and calls him a c"""t. hes not. he is a success story you should study, you should try and get around that guy and work out how he ticks. and you need to take "extreme ownership" of your life of "pure garbage" and see yourself as a "cautionary tale". we can learn much from china if we will be humble and we can learn from our mistakes these are primarily, we dont work hard, we pander to the cry babies and sooks and we devote resources to losers instead of making sure our most successful get every resource we can spare so they can be awesome Please read "The Asian Mind Game" by Chin-Ning Chu https://tinyurl.com/y6ucjhs8 shall do and i am an admirer of ayn rand, not so much the marx chappie  ;) I completely agree with Rand’s epistemology as illucidated in Ronald E Merrill’s “The Ideas of Ayn Rand” in the chapter titled ‘Rand’s Theory of Concepts’ (Publ’ Open court 1991). Totally disagree with her political ideology. Off topic again but the total snubbing of Rand by recent academic philosophers, most of whom vanished into the deconstructionist fog up their arxxholes more than a few decades ago, annoys the hell out of me. Instance she fails to crack even a mention in the Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy. Marx and Engels are a mess. Can’t agree 'we don’t work hard’ Some in Oz work irrationally, some work their arses off - - (You should meet my seven Gippsland dairy farmer uncles and hear what they have to say about Chinese business ‘ethics’.) Your take on Canberra is largely mine but we need to consider the idiocy of most Australian media and their influence. ah my neighbours are dairy farmers. now doing farm stays for rich chinese (well they were until the covid issue ::) ::)). quadrupled their income

.. and so your conclusion is?   Let me help you - it is that by diversifying and taking in ANYONE on 'farm stay' a farmer may earn a little more.....

Why is the focus on specifically Chinese?  Are they flooding in during Corona?  If so, best you report them fast ....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 12:38pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 12:23pm: There is nothing we can do, China has us by the nuts thanks to 30rys of greedy short sighted power hungry pc career politicians selling us out, the ccp are walking among us buying our real estate and anything of value leaving us looking like the dumbest country on earth, we should have been the wealthiest with all the resources we once had. Our politicians have been blindsided by the Chinks and they are to scared to say anything because China will just tighten the screws a tad,, besides they are all on their summer vacation now. Our diesel submarines are due off the production line in 30yrs, that will scare them off. oi Careful - you'll have Comrade Peccary on to you for being a right wing extremist..... Many ordinary Chinese come here for a better life... who can blame them?  On the other hand the 'absentee landlord' type has bought in here using low to zero interest loans to buy empty apartments etc, many become citizens and then cop a gig in politics!! THAT is the quality of your politicians here!

The Chinese are wonderful wonderful Australians, you won't hear a murmur out of them, all 1.2 million of them, they are like ants going about their business,, white ants.

Gladys Lei speaks up every now and then.

Most Chinese come here with wads of cash, that's how they get entry.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 7:57pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 12:38pm: Johnnie wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 12:23pm: There is nothing we can do, China has us by the nuts thanks to 30rys of greedy short sighted power hungry pc career politicians selling us out, the ccp are walking among us buying our real estate and anything of value leaving us looking like the dumbest country on earth, we should have been the wealthiest with all the resources we once had. Our politicians have been blindsided by the Chinks and they are to scared to say anything because China will just tighten the screws a tad,, besides they are all on their summer vacation now. Our diesel submarines are due off the production line in 30yrs, that will scare them off. oi Careful - you'll have Comrade Peccary on to you for being a right wing extremist..... Many ordinary Chinese come here for a better life... who can blame them?  On the other hand the 'absentee landlord' type has bought in here using low to zero interest loans to buy empty apartments etc, many become citizens and then cop a gig in politics!! THAT is the quality of your politicians here! The Chinese are wonderful wonderful Australians, you won't hear a murmur out of them, all 1.2 million of them, they are like ants going about their business,, white ants. Gladys Lei speaks up every now and then. Most Chinese come here with wads of cash, that's how they get entry.

Sucking on the teat of the Chinese.

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 12:58pm:

Agree but I’m unable to take a humorous approach to the suicidal mess Canberra has thrown us into. Submarines ? Largely obsolete technology apart from being able to revenge a nuclear attack. (If theyr were armed with nuclear weapons) I’ll never understand why we went for the French sardine tins. Maybe all those politicians who were extravagantly entertained in Paris had something to do with it? Why we continue to allow China to buy up large chunks of Australia’s best farming land is another puzzle. Try and buy anything substantial on the Chinese property market and see what happens to you. We have been betrayed by Canberra, and by Victoria by baring their arses to the so called ‘Belt & Road’ agreement.

Not just china. Most asian countries are like that.

McMan you are of course correct

The nambour sugar mill is owned by Indian interests
The Bundaberg sugar mill is owned by Pakistani interests
The ISIS sugar mill is owned by Vietnamese interests

Of course when the Australian community could not be bothered to get off their backsides and harvest this year's food crop
It's probably a good thing that some industrious Asians are willing to put in some sweat

aquascoot wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 7:29am:

McMan you are of course correct The nambour sugar mill is owned by Indian interests The Bundaberg sugar mill is owned by Pakistani interests The ISIS sugar mill is owned by Vietnamese interests Of course when the Australian community could not be bothered to get off their backsides and harvest this year's food crop It's probably a good thing that some industrious Asians are willing to put in some sweat

work for peanuts you really mean....   we have a massive problem with no backpackers right now ....who traditionally do that work..and no they are not usually Asians either..

what difference does it matter who owns a piece of land.. it is in this country and will always be AUSTRALIAN LAND...you dont seem to understand    even you dont own the land you live on.......if the govt wants it they will  take it......dont kid yourself...


and if you want to sell something! shall we say in a hurry... and only Asians or Indian nationals showed any interest in it.. are you telling me you wouldnt take their money??????


::) ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 7:29am:

McMan you are of course correct The nambour sugar mill is owned by Indian interests The Bundaberg sugar mill is owned by Pakistani interests The ISIS sugar mill is owned by Vietnamese interests Of course when the Australian community could not be bothered to get off their backsides and harvest this year's food crop It's probably a good thing that some industrious Asians are willing to put in some sweat

Putting in some sweat isn’t the same as selling off Australia's prime agricultural land.

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 8:43am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 7:29am: McMan you are of course correct The nambour sugar mill is owned by Indian interests The Bundaberg sugar mill is owned by Pakistani interests The ISIS sugar mill is owned by Vietnamese interests Of course when the Australian community could not be bothered to get off their backsides and harvest this year's food crop It's probably a good thing that some industrious Asians are willing to put in some sweat Putting in some sweat isn’t the same as selling off Australia's prime agricultural land.

indeed.

there is a universal law i believe in called
"the law of use".

if the universe gives you some resource, talent or benefit
and you do not "use " it.
it will be taken away from you.

we have marvellous opportunities in austrlaia with regards to mineral resources, farming resources and fishing resources.

but we would prefer to sit in big urban cities and have the government pander to us then get out there and "sweat".

so these things will be taken off us.

we have contravened the law of "use".

our natural gas and coal is increasingly foreign owned

our cotton farms, cane farms, feedlots, dairy farms are increasingly foreign owned.

now china is moving in to scoop up the fish.

we chose to sit in air conditioned comfort in our shopping malls and get fat on bacon, double cheese burgers.

we have no one to blame but ourselves.
we need to have a hard look in the mirror and harden the f""""k up

aquascoot wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 12:44pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 8:43am: aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 7:29am: McMan you are of course correct The nambour sugar mill is owned by Indian interests The Bundaberg sugar mill is owned by Pakistani interests The ISIS sugar mill is owned by Vietnamese interests Of course when the Australian community could not be bothered to get off their backsides and harvest this year's food crop It's probably a good thing that some industrious Asians are willing to put in some sweat Putting in some sweat isn’t the same as selling off Australia's prime agricultural land. indeed. there is a universal law i believe in called "the law of use". if the universe gives you some resource, talent or benefit and you do not "use " it. it will be taken away from you. we have marvellous opportunities in austrlaia with regards to mineral resources, farming resources and fishing resources. but we would prefer to sit in big urban cities and have the government pander to us then get out there and "sweat". so these things will be taken off us. we have contravened the law of "use". our natural gas and coal is increasingly foreign owned our cotton farms, cane farms, feedlots, dairy farms are increasingly foreign owned. now china is moving in to scoop up the fish. we chose to sit in air conditioned comfort in our shopping malls and get fat on bacon, double cheese burgers. we have no one to blame but ourselves. we need to have a hard look in the mirror and harden the f""""k up

Goodo, we sellout to these cnunts and then they turn around and use their economic clout they have gained in this country to bully and cripple us. Now they are on our doorstep as a show of strength and intimidation.

The Chinese should be banned from any further investment in this country, dealing with anyone else would be far more preferable.

Chinese immigration should be banned. We are full.

theres nothing stopping us doing that except that we enjoy the life of leisure and consumption too much to actually do that  ;)

Johnnie wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 1:27pm:

Goodo, we sellout to these cnunts and then they turn around and use their economic clout they have gained in this country to bully and cripple us. Now they are on our doorstep as a show of strength and intimidation. The Chinese should be banned from any further investment in this country, dealing with anyone else would be far more preferable. Chinese immigration should be banned. We are full...

... of it?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 1:39pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 1:27pm: Goodo, we sellout to these cnunts and then they turn around and use their economic clout they have gained in this country to bully and cripple us. Now they are on our doorstep as a show of strength and intimidation. The Chinese should be banned from any further investment in this country, dealing with anyone else would be far more preferable. Chinese immigration should be banned. We are full... ... of it?

Dimsims.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 1:30pm:

theres nothing stopping us doing that except that we enjoy the life of leisure and consumption too much to actually do that  ;)

... and your plan for achieving this is???????

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 8:09am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 7:29am: McMan you are of course correct The nambour sugar mill is owned by Indian interests The Bundaberg sugar mill is owned by Pakistani interests The ISIS sugar mill is owned by Vietnamese interests Of course when the Australian community could not be bothered to get off their backsides and harvest this year's food crop It's probably a good thing that some industrious Asians are willing to put in some sweat work for peanuts you really mean....   we have a massive problem with no backpackers right now ....who traditionally do that work..and no they are not usually Asians either.. what difference does it matter who owns a piece of land.. it is in this country and will always be AUSTRALIAN LAND...you dont seem to understand    even you dont own the land you live on.......if the govt wants it they will  take it......dont kid yourself... and if you want to sell something! shall we say in a hurry... and only Asians or Indian nationals showed any interest in it.. are you telling me you wouldnt take their money?????? ::) ::) ::)

Jesus!!  Never thought I'd see the day.....


Always was and always will be  Aboriginal  Australian Land!!!

We're all in the same boat....... we need a government of national reconciliation, not a government of wrecking a silly nation.... as time goes by, listening to Aborigines, I find more and more common ground with them on such issues as personal and national sovereignty, water issues (out west and elsewhere), preservation of habitats and items of historical and cultural importance, and so forth....

This keeps up I'll have to do a Pascoe and claim some 'heritage'.... Snickers Bar in the woodpile or something...

....... lessee now, Igor - where is that script.... oh yeah ....... "a distant half-addled uncle once suggested to me when I was too young to know WTF he was even talking about that we may have had some totally undisclosed and untraceable link to some Aboriginal in the family tree even though there is no record and the tribes concerned say it is not so....." ... That do it?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 9:06pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 1:30pm: theres nothing stopping us doing that except that we enjoy the life of leisure and consumption too much to actually do that  ;) ... and your plan for achieving this is???????

australia needs to put its nose to the grindstone.

the same way japan did in the 50's

it didnt take them long to emerge from the decimation of WW2 to have such products as honda, toyota, sony, sanyo, mitsuibishi,

if we really apply ourselves, then we can start investing in other countries.

we need to study their success.

i love singapore.

everytime i go there i talk to the cabbies.

they are all so "turned on", they are all super stoked about the apartment they are buying or whatever. they are patriotic. they are ambitious. its a vibe.

then you get a cab from the aussie airport and the guy looks like he has just taken 6 valium washed down with some pot .

you know there are 4 shopping centres near my daughter in south bribane.

each one is now owned by the singapore governments superannuation scheme
the singapore government superannuation also recently aquired all the parking meters in NY. they already own all the parking meters in LA.

the asian is taking advantage of the Laaaaaaaaziness of the westerner.

there is only one way out of this.

we need to understand what a work ethic is.
unfortunately, our concept of a work ethic is a joke and our sense of entitlement is also a joke.

but the 'age of entitlement " is coming to an end .

personally, i'd prefer the singaporeans took over but i could work with Xi.

he is ruthless and doesnt pander to weak pussies.
my kind of man  ;D ;D ;D

Just tell the Fuzzy Wuzzies that Chinese people taste like pork.

Problem solved  ;D ;D ;D

aquascoot wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2020 at 5:26pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 9:06pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 1:30pm: theres nothing stopping us doing that except that we enjoy the life of leisure and consumption too much to actually do that  ;) ... and your plan for achieving this is??????? australia needs to put its nose to the grindstone. the same way japan did in the 50's it didnt take them long to emerge from the decimation of WW2 to have such products as honda, toyota, sony, sanyo, mitsuibishi, if we really apply ourselves, then we can start investing in other countries. we need to study their success. i love singapore. everytime i go there i talk to the cabbies. they are all so "turned on", they are all super stoked about the apartment they are buying or whatever. they are patriotic. they are ambitious. its a vibe. then you get a cab from the aussie airport and the guy looks like he has just taken 6 valium washed down with some pot . you know there are 4 shopping centres near my daughter in south bribane. each one is now owned by the singapore governments superannuation scheme the singapore government superannuation also recently aquired all the parking meters in NY. they already own all the parking meters in LA. the asian is taking advantage of the Laaaaaaaaziness of the westerner. there is only one way out of this. we need to understand what a work ethic is. unfortunately, our concept of a work ethic is a joke and our sense of entitlement is also a joke. but the 'age of entitlement " is coming to an end . personally, i'd prefer the singaporeans took over but i could work with Xi. he is ruthless and doesnt pander to weak pussies. my kind of man  ;D ;D ;D

Sounds more like the utter cupidity of governments and businesses in selling out their own nation/country and everything in it in return for thirty pieces of silver.... the work ethic of ordinary people, the majority, is utterly irrelevant if they are having the floor sold out from under them, and are, rather than being treated as intelligent thinking beings capable of working out how to go about business like your Singaporean taxi driver, they are controlled and abused by governments and employers at their whim.

We'll have no foreigners taking over here, thanks.... that's what the revolution is all about.... and it's slow building but once the dam breaks it will be a massive flood.. take back the asylum!

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One of our governments most stupid acts was to cut the ABC by so much that they had to pull out of their international broadcasts across the pacific.

Australian English was the major language, message and influence broadcast in the entire region.

Guess how long it took China to buy up all the broadcast licences in the region, yet not long at all. Today it is Chinese broadcast across the pacific and China who has influence over all the pacific islands. We gave this stratigic position to them with not the slightest whimper.

Pure government incompetence - nothing more nothing less.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2020 at 7:45am:

One of our governments most stupid acts was to cut the ABC by so much that they had to pull out of their international broadcasts across the pacific. Australian English was the major language, message and influence broadcast in the entire region. Guess how long it took China to buy up all the broadcast licences in the region, yet not long at all. Today it is Chinese broadcast across the pacific and China who has influence over all the pacific islands. We gave this stratigic position to them with not the slightest whimper. Pure government incompetence - nothing more nothing less.

Did our government(s) buy peace in our time by giving away the furniture and backyard to gangster capitalism and gangster international relations?

Didn't their mother tell them to stand up to bullies and think ahead how to cut them off at the pass?

We are an Asian country now, a look around any city confirms that.

Why did this happen, in the name of diversity and culture when our immigration floodgates open again ban them.

New Guinea and the South Pacific islands are warming to China's belt and road initiative. After all we have given them.

oi

Johnnie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2020 at 3:11pm:

We are an Asian country now, a look around any city confirms that. Why did this happen, in the name of diversity and culture when our immigration floodgates open again ban them. New Guinea and the South Pacific islands are warming to China's belt and road initiative. After all we have given them. oi

I note that all the assholes who decided we NEEDED to be 'part of Asia (inserts specific ethnicity required) don't live in an Asian (etc) area of Australia - jeez - some hardly spend any time at all in Oz while touring the world on their overfat 'superannuation' payout for life without tax coming out of our tax pockets.......

Some news for the xenophobes of Ozpolitic.

To the Aboriginals, everybody else in Australia is an unwelcome foreigner.

Watch our Torres Straight Islanders/Abbos bend over and kiss Chinese ass, they will bring mirrors matches and beer to win them over.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 26^th, 2020 at 5:45pm:

Some news for the xenophobes of Ozpolitic. To the Aboriginals, everybody else in Australia is an unwelcome foreigner.

Well - let us know when the minorities make the rules... oh... wait ..... sadly for the 'Aboriginals' some of us have had family ties to this nation for nearly two centuries and there is no way we are 'foreigners' - welcome or not.

They can either accept it or keep on destroying each other and themselves in futile hatred and empty gestures that will end up with them in prison or worse.  Who cares what the Kaffirs think?  I've done nothing to them - they can return the favour or suffer the consequences.

I was born here - YOU?  Sounds like you were miscarried here and suffered brain damage.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2020 at 6:13pm:

Watch our Torres Straight Islanders/Abbos bend over and kiss Chinese ass, they will bring mirrors matches and beer to win them over.

Imagine thinking that being 'freed' from the White Man's largesse will mean they will hold some exalted position under any other - and particularly Asian - 'master'.  More likely rounded up and re-educated' for their own good and that of the Democratic Republic....

Chinese overlords of the CCP kind will give a new meaning to 'work for the dole' ..... you either work for dole rates or you die..... one way or the other....

There can be only 'one' race.

Jasin wrote on Dec 26^th, 2020 at 10:14pm:

There can be only 'one' race.

... divided by a common language barrier, a common culture barrier, a common DNA culture........................

Define 'race' for us... then we can speak.... at what point must genetic difference generate a new 'race' in concept, as opposed to merely being a variation on a single theme? 

It's a bit like Australian Politics Grapps mate.

You have the 'One Race' at Federal Level at International Arena.
You have the 'Many Races', like the States and Territories at Domestic Arena.

The One Monotheistic God of 'duality'.
The Many Pagan Gods of 'singularity'... like the ones you watch in Cinemas like Temples and Superheroes like Gods of Olympus, Valhalla and the After-Life.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2020 at 7:45am:

One of our governments most stupid acts was to cut the ABC by so much that they had to pull out of their international broadcasts across the pacific. Australian English was the major language, message and influence broadcast in the entire region. Guess how long it took China to buy up all the broadcast licences in the region, yet not long at all. Today it is Chinese broadcast across the pacific and China who has influence over all the pacific islands. We gave this stratigic position to them with not the slightest whimper. Pure government incompetence - nothing more nothing less.

Well, I cant say that the government had not tried.  However, it is the sentiment in the Australian public has changed.  Face it, the ugly reality is that no average Aussies care a damn about the pacific nations.   They are not white, and they dont look like us.  We see them more as burdens rather than partners.   The relationship deteriorated more after election of liberal governments, which has:
- Cut ABC funding, and therefore pacific region broadcast - the Chinese was like, this is a gift!
- Cut foreign aid - because, as many other here said: Australia have to take care of its own!  - The Chinese couldnt believe it!
- Climate change - attitude of Australia - here is some $$$, now shut up.  - The Chinese?  Oh, Climate change is serious!  Here is 200 million to upgrade your fishing facility so you can fish further.

Of course, we did try to counter the Chinese influence with TPP.  The Chinese were so worried, that they dont know what to do, as it would severe curtail their influence in the pacific region.  And then, of course, came President Trump, and TPP just died without US support.  The Chinese couldnt be more happier. 

The reason why I am stating all this is perhaps we need to rethink our political strategies.  Perhaps, right wing ideologies like MAGA, or USA first, or Australia first... it may sound good on paper - e.g. we need to take care of ourselves before we give a dime to others.   However, the events in the past decade or so, taught us a couple of things:
1 Some times, allies dont always stand together forever. \
2. Some times, when it comes to international politics, and region security, we need to willing to invest as it do come with a cost. 

DNA is talking crap.

chinese media is a PR firm for China.
it does nothing but praise the country and celebrate awesomeness.

the ABC is self loathing and hates australia.
it sees patriotism as something disgraceful
the ABC is only happy when it is running a story that embarrasses australia.
thank god it isnt operating in asia, telling our neighbours what wicked people we are.
we can do without the ABC's "help" ::) ::)

Jasin wrote on Dec 27^th, 2020 at 9:35am:

It's a bit like Australian Politics Grapps mate. You have the 'One Race' at Federal Level at International Arena. You have the 'Many Races', like the States and Territories at Domestic Arena. The One Monotheistic God of 'duality'. The Many Pagan Gods of 'singularity'... like the ones you watch in Cinemas like Temples and Superheroes like Gods of Olympus, Valhalla and the After-Life.

... plus the Grapplers and JaSins of the world....

This has always worried me about my parentage:- 

"The only way for someone to have a negative blood type is for both parents to have at least one negative factor. For example, if someone’s Rh factors are both positive, it is not possible for his or her child to have a negative blood type".

I'm the only A neg in the family.... in fact the only neg ...... and I look much the same but am different in many ways..... it's the God Factor, I tellz yez....

aquascoot wrote on Dec 27^th, 2020 at 12:14pm:

DNA is talking crap. chinese media is a PR firm for China. it does nothing but praise the country and celebrate awesomeness. the ABC is self loathing and hates australia. it sees patriotism as something disgraceful the ABC is only happy when it is running a story that embarrasses australia. thank god it isnt operating in asia, telling our neighbours what wicked people we are. we can do without the ABC's "help" ::) ::)

I think it goes both ways.  ABC does report on short comings of the Australian government.  Which is not probably a bad thing, at least, it keeps the government on edge.

The murdoch media on the other hand, is biased.  It praises the right wing government, and embarrasses anyone who seemed 'left wing' - government or private citizen.  That creates the illusion for some government ministers that they are doing a good job, and get complacent and lazy.   :)

The Chinese they are different.  Even though their PR media is continously praising their government, they never stop working and improving even just for their own benefit. 

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 27^th, 2020 at 12:21pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 27th, 2020 at 12:14pm: DNA is talking crap. chinese media is a PR firm for China. it does nothing but praise the country and celebrate awesomeness. the ABC is self loathing and hates australia. it sees patriotism as something disgraceful the ABC is only happy when it is running a story that embarrasses australia. thank god it isnt operating in asia, telling our neighbours what wicked people we are. we can do without the ABC's "help" ::) ::) I think it goes both ways.  ABC does report on short comings of the Australian government.  Which is not probably a bad thing, at least, it keeps the government on edge. The murdoch media on the other hand, is biased.  It praises the right wing government, and embarrasses anyone who seemed 'left wing' - government or private citizen.  That creates the illusion for some government ministers that they are doing a good job, and get complacent and lazy.   :) The Chinese they are different.  Even though their PR media is continously praising their government, they never stop working and improving even just for their own benefit.

Haven't graduated in the civilisation stakes sufficiently yet to kick back and watch the garden grow...... born a slave - live a slave.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 6:29am:

Haven't graduated in the civilisation stakes sufficiently yet to kick back and watch the garden grow...... born a slave - live a slave.

Not sure who this refers to but if we continue to kick back and watch the garden grown whilst China takes over New Guinea we’re in deep trouble.

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 9:41am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 6:29am: Haven't graduated in the civilisation stakes sufficiently yet to kick back and watch the garden grow...... born a slave - live a slave. Not sure who this refers to but if we continue to kick back and watch the garden grown whilst China takes over New Guinea we’re in deep trouble.

Then we have to relook at our right wing political ideology of 'Australia first, USA first'.  Part of it was not our fault, it was President Trump who withdraw US support of TPP, so that China's belt and road initiative can take hold in the region.  We further aggrevated by decreasiing foreign aid to pacific nations by 10%, cut to PNG by 5%. 

So, we did more than kick back awnd watch the garden grown.  We sort of left the area, and let another gardener in.   :(

This worries me, exactly the kind of thing that causes international friction.

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 9:41am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 6:29am: Haven't graduated in the civilisation stakes sufficiently yet to kick back and watch the garden grow...... born a slave - live a slave. Not sure who this refers to but if we continue to kick back and watch the garden grown whilst China takes over New Guinea we’re in deep trouble.

Not to worry - never disturb a gentleman reclining in his backyard.... I've been in this one since day one... no need to get wound up and waste energy over it.... just do it.

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 9:41am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 6:29am: Haven't graduated in the civilisation stakes sufficiently yet to kick back and watch the garden grow...... born a slave - live a slave. Not sure who this refers to but if we continue to kick back and watch the garden grown whilst China takes over New Guinea we’re in deep trouble. Then we have to relook at our right wing political ideology of 'Australia first, USA first'.  Part of it was not our fault, it was President Trump who withdraw US support of TPP, so that China's belt and road initiative can take hold in the region.  We further aggrevated by decreasiing foreign aid to pacific nations by 10%, cut to PNG by 5%.  So, we did more than kick back awnd watch the garden grown.  We sort of left the area, and let another gardener in.   :(

Who's this 'we', white man?  I don't recall giving my government servants leave to betray us on every front..... in case you haven't noticed, I've been on their arses for ages now, as well.

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