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Message started by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 5:20pm

Title: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 5:20pm
Jacinda Ardern (aka Mr Ed) is floating the idea of a four day working week in NZ....
How insidious is this....
The after effects of the virus are beginning to surface.....
In Australia, because there aren't enough full time jobs to go around, we created the gig economy, where
a hefty percentage of workers have to make do with part time work....
Now, guess what....NZ is considering a four day week.....
Well...who would have guessed...
Instead of working five days per week.....
Guess what....you now only have to work for four....
Meaning you have a fantastic three days per week to enjoy the sights of NZ and give all your
money to tourism.....
What money...youre now only being paid for a four day working week....
Your salary has been cut by 20%...…
Watch Australia have a close look at this and bingo....before long....
Our gig economy will be furthered by the four day working week...…
Am I being cynical or am I being cynical...…
Watch this con of the peasants slowly perpetrated into NZ and Australia in the coming months....
Do you really, honestly think that some employers are going to employ people to work from home
for five days per week....working from home I hear is going to become the "in thing" of the future....
AND trust their workers to work a full 40 hour week......AT HOME......
I see...
Not enough jobs to go round after the virus.....
How bout four days per week suckers.....
What a con..... ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 5:27pm
It's a good idea in principle. It would certainly help solve the unemployment problem.

The only problem is that many people are living week by week working a 5 day week. Cut their pay and they won't be able to survive

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Bojack Horseman on May 20th, 2020 at 5:28pm
(aka Mr Ed)

WTF is this drivel?

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 5:29pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:28pm:
(aka Mr Ed)

WTF is this drivel?



drivel .... why? what did it look like? :D :D :D

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 20th, 2020 at 5:32pm
it is time working hours were changed.....9 to 5 was ok 50 yrs ago......now we have peek hour roads where a break down can add two hours to your time getting home.. its pathetic..its also adding to roadrage.. which is getting more and more violent..... I read where in N>Y they have found it is much easier for certain groups to work from home....some some business' are looking at not renting office space.... this in turn will affect the lunch diners...and cabbies..to name a few......but these lockdowns will possibly change a lot of things....and why not???

we need to adapt and accept....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by freediver on May 20th, 2020 at 5:33pm
Employees in Australia often get to choose their weekly hours. So the idea of a 4 day week does not even make sense. A lot of doctors and lawyers and small business people for example work 50+ hour weeks. A lot of other professionals on a nominal 38 hour week end up doing far more, with or without compensation, depending on the employer.


John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:27pm:
It's a good idea in principle. It would certainly help solve the unemployment problem.

The only problem is that many people are living week by week working a 5 day week. Cut their pay and they won't be able to survive


Solving unemployment by making everyone less productive and giving everyone less money to spend? You sure that's a good idea?


Quote:
In Australia, because there aren't enough full time jobs to go around, we created the gig economy, where


That's not why "we" created the gig economy. If people could be employed on a full time basis under the same rules for casuals and contractors, the unemployment problem would disappear overnight. Maybe you would have to get rid of minimum wages also.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 5:36pm
A lot of people...forgotten the numbers...are on JobKeeper or
Jobseeker....I presume that a percentage of those working were on a five day week then went to JobKeeper/JobSeeker...then to a four day week...
They have all literally had a pay cut....
BUT Ardern hasn't released details of how this would be implemented...what about those who are on five day working week now, without the subsidy...do they go back to four...This is just window dressing the gig economy where there
isn't enough work for everyone...so casual work is the go...Now with a four day working week it will be worse...
I cant see how it can be a good idea....I really cant.....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 5:39pm

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:33pm:
Solving unemployment by making everyone less productive and giving everyone less money to spend? You sure that's a good idea?


Sure? no, but it's certainly worth looking at

how is everyone less productive?  No one is saying businesses change their work hours.
If everyone produces x amount of units per day, who cares if x is being produced by steve or by janine.
Besides, several studies have found productivity increases with less hours. Here's one example


Quote:
Microsoft found that implementing a four-day workweek led to a 40% boost in productivity, the company announced as part of the results of its "Work-Life Choice Challenge." The summer project examined work-life balance and its effect on productivity and creativity.








Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 5:40pm

billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:36pm:
BUT Ardern hasn't released details of how this would be implemented.



then maybe you should wait for the details before you write it off.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 5:41pm

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:33pm:
Employees in Australia often get to choose their weekly hours.



How did I miss this?

BULLSHIT

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by freediver on May 20th, 2020 at 5:44pm

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:41pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:33pm:
Employees in Australia often get to choose their weekly hours.



How did I miss this?

BULLSHIT


OK, not if you work at Maccas John.


Quote:
how is everyone less productive?  No one is saying businesses change their work hours.
If everyone produces x amount of units per day, who cares if x is being produced by steve or by janine.


Not every employee can be treated as a commodity.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 5:47pm
I was always under the impression that the gig economy was created simply because employers in Australia couldn't employ people full time because to do so, they had to pay up to 38 different taxes...(Im told) Therefore they decided to employ people for shorter working weeks. The insidious compulsory superannuation levy for example adds an unwanted burden to all employers. Therefore an employee is given casual work in lieu. This is just an example of the cost of running a business in Australia...
The gig economy disguises the fact that there aren't enough full time jobs to go around because of the cost of running a business. If the cost of running a business was less, then full time jobs would be created...and there would be no need for a four day working week.
Those costs are imposed by government.
We will never ever increase productivity in Australia
whilst it is too costly to produce.
Taxes have to come down...costs have to come down...
If a four day week in introduced, the population will suffer...
It will be a step in the wrong direction...
Governments are incompetent....
We are being conned.....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 5:50pm

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:44pm:
OK, not if you work at Maccas John.


Are you trying to compete with bobby here? Australian work an average of two months overtime for free. You really think that's their choice?


freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:44pm:
Not every employee can be treated as a commodity.



at least not until it suits the business owner ::)

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 5:51pm

billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:47pm:
I was always under the impression that the gig economy was created simply because employers in Australia couldn't employ people full time because to do so, they had to pay up to 38 different taxes...(Im told) Therefore they decided to employ people for shorter working weeks. The insidious compulsory superannuation levy for example adds an unwanted burden to all employers. Therefore an employee is given casual work in lieu. This is just an example of the cost of running a business in Australia...
The gig economy disguises the fact that there aren't enough full time jobs to go around because of the cost of running a business. If the cost of running a business was less, then full time jobs would be created...and there would be no need for a four day working week.
Those costs are imposed by government.
We will never ever increase productivity in Australia
whilst it is too costly to produce.
Taxes have to come down...costs have to come down...
If a four day week in introduced, the population will suffer...
It will be a step in the wrong direction...
Governments are incompetent....
We are being conned.....



casuals still get super :D :D

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 5:53pm
She hasnt released the details yet because its just a thought bubble to test the waters...I dont need the details....four days wages is less than five days wages....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 5:55pm

billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:53pm:
She hasnt released the details yet because its just a thought bubble to test the waters...I dont need the details....four days wages is less than five days wages....


:D :D :D

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 5:56pm
Casuals dont get super if they earn less than $450 per month...if a worker is a private or domestic worker, such as a nanny, they have to work 30 hours per week to get the CSL...

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 6:01pm

billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:56pm:
Casuals dont get super if they earn less than $450 per month



that's less than 5 hours a week. Hardly anyone would fall into that category

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by freediver on May 20th, 2020 at 6:04pm

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:50pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:44pm:
OK, not if you work at Maccas John.


Are you trying to compete with bobby here? Australian work an average of two months overtime for free. You really think that's their choice?


You always have a choice John.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 6:07pm
Youve just proven my point....thats why casuals work more than one casual job...quite often two or three or more to get by...
And each job they have there is no super paid...
That's why the gig market is so expansive....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 20th, 2020 at 6:07pm

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:04pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:50pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:44pm:
OK, not if you work at Maccas John.


Are you trying to compete with bobby here? Australian work an average of two months overtime for free. You really think that's their choice?


You always have a choice John.




who works two months overtime in a year.....for free.?


Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 6:08pm

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:04pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:50pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:44pm:
OK, not if you work at Maccas John.


Are you trying to compete with bobby here? Australian work an average of two months overtime for free. You really think that's their choice?


You always have a choice John.


no, you really don't. If you don't believe me ask any of the millions currently having trouble finding work

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by freediver on May 20th, 2020 at 6:08pm
People like lawyers, doctors, engineers etc. At least, the ones who really want a promotion.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 6:10pm
I have a mate who works in the motor bike industry. He, and his work mates work 1.5 hours per day unpaid overtime.
If they don't comply, they are shown the door....it happens....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 6:11pm

billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:07pm:
Youve just proven my point....thats why casuals work more than one casual job...quite often two or three or more to get by...
And each job they have there is no super paid...
That's why the gig market is so expansive....



again, thats less than 5 hrs a week. Less than one day a week of work.

I know many that work as casuals, NONE work for less than at least one day. How many casuals do you know that work in one job for 4 hours a week?

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by freediver on May 20th, 2020 at 6:11pm
What is the "motor bike industry"? Are they drug traffickers?

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 6:12pm

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:08pm:
People like lawyers, doctors, engineers etc. At least, the ones who really want a promotion.


or those that want to keep their job.


Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by freediver on May 20th, 2020 at 6:14pm

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:12pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:08pm:
People like lawyers, doctors, engineers etc. At least, the ones who really want a promotion.


or those that want to keep their job.


This is usually clearly stated upfront in the contract. So yeah, they have already chosen.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 6:14pm
Depends on the hours, the days worked, the rates of pay for individual jobs...we're going round in circles...….
The CSL was just an example of the numerous costs to a business to stay afloat.....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 6:16pm
The motor bike industry is the industry/business where a motor bike is sold by a dealer to a buyer...

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 6:39pm

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:14pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:12pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:08pm:
People like lawyers, doctors, engineers etc. At least, the ones who really want a promotion.


or those that want to keep their job.


This is usually clearly stated upfront in the contract. So yeah, they have already chosen.


ahh, no, not really.

Besides, It's not much of a choice when it's either say yes or no job.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 6:50pm
My last post is the last post on this thread...John can you duplicate your last post...something is not working at my end...

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 6:51pm
As you were....page 3 has just appeared.....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 20th, 2020 at 6:52pm

billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:50pm:
My last post is the last post on this thread...John can you duplicate your last post...something is not working at my end...



sometimes the forum has an issue with flipping the page. If you hit reply on the last comment, you can still read the next comment. It usually sorts itself out after a few posts.


Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 20th, 2020 at 6:54pm
OK thanx for that..
This will do me for the moment..
Thanx for a spirited discussion....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by freediver on May 20th, 2020 at 9:45pm

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:39pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:14pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:12pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:08pm:
People like lawyers, doctors, engineers etc. At least, the ones who really want a promotion.


or those that want to keep their job.


This is usually clearly stated upfront in the contract. So yeah, they have already chosen.


ahh, no, not really.

Besides, It's not much of a choice when it's either say yes or no job.


Fear of the unknown is not the same thing as absence of choice.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Ye Grappler on May 21st, 2020 at 1:44am

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:27pm:
It's a good idea in principle. It would certainly help solve the unemployment problem.

The only problem is that many people are living week by week working a 5 day week. Cut their pay and they won't be able to survive



Ah - the reduction of the peasantry under despotism by removing from them their ability to earn enough to get by, and thus they will be more subservient** - look on the bright side - they'll only have to pay exorbitant road tolls four days a week instead of five... so those with a season ticket will be able to claim 'pay taken without service rendered'...

** you take my life when you take from me the means by which I preserve that life... - Shakespeare.... nothing much has changed in 6-700 years...

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Valkie on May 21st, 2020 at 5:40am
I can see it happening.

But with a twist or two.

Companies want to stay open 7 days a week in the mini g industry.
It allows them to service their 24/7 customers better.
But it's expensive in penalty rates and overtime.

Bring on the. Day week.
4 days on, 4 days off.
Weekends will no longer attract penalty rates.
Pays can be cut and working hours staggered across the workforce.

Trades will get less allowing more to be employed and more can cover more hours.
The hour of cross over woukd be used to communicate issues and information.

I can see it happening.
And it will be a hard fought battle with the unions.
But in the end, the companies will win.

After all, penalty rates disappeared from most people already.
Leave loading went years ago.
Overtime will be gone soon.

We will be slaves in all but name.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by JaSin. on May 21st, 2020 at 7:27am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:28pm:
(aka Mr Ed)

WTF is this drivel?


What? You can physically ridicule an American President because of his Race (Ranga), but not a NZ PM because she looks like a Horse? I guess you have your money on Jacinta to beat Trump past the post.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 21st, 2020 at 8:44am
Actually I was tossing a coin between Mr Ed and Tiny Tim....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 21st, 2020 at 8:46am

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 9:45pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:39pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:14pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:12pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:08pm:
People like lawyers, doctors, engineers etc. At least, the ones who really want a promotion.


or those that want to keep their job.


This is usually clearly stated upfront in the contract. So yeah, they have already chosen.


ahh, no, not really.

Besides, It's not much of a choice when it's either say yes or no job.


Fear of the unknown is not the same thing as absence of choice.


fear of the unknown? Is that what you're calling unemployment now?

you should get a job for the liberal party

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by AiA on May 21st, 2020 at 9:15am

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:50pm:
Are you trying to compete with bobby here?


Is FD on his knees in the men's room?

On a more serious note, France with its shorter working hours used to be said to be more productive than the USA ... not sure if that still holds true or not.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 21st, 2020 at 10:05am

billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:53pm:
She hasnt released the details yet because its just a thought bubble to test the waters...I dont need the details....four days wages is less than five days wages....


Are you sure the wages are going to be reduced?

I know dozens of people who have changed from five days a week to four days a week, and they didn't lose a cent in pay.

Five day week, 38 hours = work 7.6 hours per day.

Four day week, 38 hours = work 9.5 hours per day.

Exact same pay, but they work a longer day.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 21st, 2020 at 10:32am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:05am:

billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:53pm:
She hasnt released the details yet because its just a thought bubble to test the waters...I dont need the details....four days wages is less than five days wages....


Are you sure the wages are going to be reduced?

I know dozens of people who have changed from five days a week to four days a week, and they didn't lose a cent in pay.

Five day week, 38 hours = work 7.6 hours per day.

Four day week, 38 hours = work 9.5 hours per day.

Exact same pay, but they work a longer day.



thats how it works here....they havent released the details  or the fine print yet... ;) ;)

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 21st, 2020 at 10:33am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:05am:

billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:53pm:
She hasnt released the details yet because its just a thought bubble to test the waters...I dont need the details....four days wages is less than five days wages....


Are you sure the wages are going to be reduced?

I know dozens of people who have changed from five days a week to four days a week, and they didn't lose a cent in pay.

Five day week, 38 hours = work 7.6 hours per day.

Four day week, 38 hours = work 9.5 hours per day.

Exact same pay, but they work a longer day.


"The New Zealand company behind a landmark trial of a four-day working week has declared it a success and will be adopting the new schedule full time.

"Almost 250 staff at Perpetual Guardian, a company which manages trusts, wills and estate planning, trialled a four-day working week over March and April this year, working four eight-hour days but getting paid for five."


'No downside': New Zealand firm adopts four-day week after successful trial

"A New Zealand company is on the cusp of granting its employees the ultimate in work-life balance: four days work for five days pay."

Work four days, get paid for five: New Zealand company's new shorter week

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 21st, 2020 at 10:38am
it sounds ok   but what about the people needing their services???????are they not at a disadvantage?

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 21st, 2020 at 10:42am

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:38am:
it sounds ok   but what about the people needing their services???????are they not at a disadvantage?


The business hours don't change.

Customers aren't disadvantaged at all.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 21st, 2020 at 10:45am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:42am:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:38am:
it sounds ok   but what about the people needing their services???????are they not at a disadvantage?


The business hours don't change.

Customers aren't disadvantaged at all.



well I am thinking of people who can only get to appointments at the weekend......assuming they are only open Mon Tue Wed Thur...

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 21st, 2020 at 10:47am

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:42am:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:38am:
it sounds ok   but what about the people needing their services???????are they not at a disadvantage?


The business hours don't change.

Customers aren't disadvantaged at all.



well I am thinking of people who can only get to appointments at the weekend......assuming they are only open Mon Tue Wed Thur...




Quote:
The business hours don't change.


Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 21st, 2020 at 10:50am

John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:47am:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:42am:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:38am:
it sounds ok   but what about the people needing their services???????are they not at a disadvantage?


The business hours don't change.

Customers aren't disadvantaged at all.



well I am thinking of people who can only get to appointments at the weekend......assuming they are only open Mon Tue Wed Thur...




Quote:
The business hours don't change.



ummm what does working a 4 day week mean exactly? :D :D

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 21st, 2020 at 10:50am

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:42am:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:38am:
it sounds ok   but what about the people needing their services???????are they not at a disadvantage?


The business hours don't change.

Customers aren't disadvantaged at all.



well I am thinking of people who can only get to appointments at the weekend......assuming they are only open Mon Tue Wed Thur...


A business can still operate seven days a week, while their employees only work four days per week.

Not every employee has the same three days off.

e.g.

- Greg works Tuesday to Friday

- Cods works Saturday to Tuesday

The business is open every day of the week, yet you and I only have to work four days in any week.




Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by John Smith on May 21st, 2020 at 10:52am

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:50am:

John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:47am:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:42am:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:38am:
it sounds ok   but what about the people needing their services???????are they not at a disadvantage?


The business hours don't change.

Customers aren't disadvantaged at all.



well I am thinking of people who can only get to appointments at the weekend......assuming they are only open Mon Tue Wed Thur...




Quote:
The business hours don't change.



ummm what does working a 4 day week mean exactly? :D :D


it means workers work a four day week. Not the business. If a business is typically open 6 days, cods works for 4 days, then they'll employ goober to work the next 2 ... .. Business hours don't change.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 21st, 2020 at 10:52am

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:50am:

John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:47am:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:42am:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:38am:
it sounds ok   but what about the people needing their services???????are they not at a disadvantage?


The business hours don't change.

Customers aren't disadvantaged at all.



well I am thinking of people who can only get to appointments at the weekend......assuming they are only open Mon Tue Wed Thur...




Quote:
The business hours don't change.



ummm what does working a 4 day week mean exactly? :D :D


Exactly that - employees only going to work for four days out of a seven day week.

The business, however, can remain open seven days a week if it wants to (as long as it has more than one employee).

I think you're confusing "work hours" with "business hours".


Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 21st, 2020 at 10:59am
Unfortunately, I am unable to post the link, but David Llewellyn-Smith in New Zealand Economy suggests that Jacinda may have difficulty winning the forthcoming NZ election in September, and a lot of the comments on the link are not very complimentary of her. Of course those comments may be from non Labor supporters.
Im sure with the election forthcoming Jacinda will make the choices which will give her more votes.
Perhaps we can look forward to her clarifying the position regarding working for reduced wages or the same wages
(but longer hours)

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 21st, 2020 at 11:01am

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:59am:
Unfortunately, I am unable to post the link, but David Llewellyn-Smith in New Zealand suggests that Jacinda may have difficulty winning the forthcoming NZ election in September, and a lot of the comments on the link are not very complimentary of her. Of course those comments may be from non Labor supporters.
Im sure with the election forthcoming Jacinda will make the choices which will give her more votes.
Perhaps we can look forward to her clarifying the position regarding working for reduced wages or the same wages
(but longer hours)


She's said nothing about people working for reduced wages.

Just less days.

Like this:

"The New Zealand company behind a landmark trial of a four-day working week has declared it a success and will be adopting the new schedule full time.

"Almost 250 staff at Perpetual Guardian, a company which manages trusts, wills and estate planning, trialled a four-day working week over March and April this year, working four eight-hour days but getting paid for five."


'No downside': New Zealand firm adopts four-day week after successful trial

"A New Zealand company is on the cusp of granting its employees the ultimate in work-life balance: four days work for five days pay."

Work four days, get paid for five: New Zealand company's new shorter week

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Fuzzball on May 21st, 2020 at 11:10am
You should know pissery, aren't you in NZ now........? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Captain Nemo on May 21st, 2020 at 11:15am
The 4 day working week for employees is a great idea.  8-)

Where it has been done, productivity improves, the business does better, absenteeism reduces.

Family life improves.

It's a winner.  :)

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 21st, 2020 at 3:07pm

Captain Nemo wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 11:15am:
The 4 day working week for employees is a great idea.  8-)

Where it has been done, productivity improves, the business does better, absenteeism reduces.

Family life improves.

It's a winner.  :)


Yep.

It's an excellent idea, and a natural progression from the nine day fortnight.


Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 21st, 2020 at 4:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:52am:
Exactly that - employees only going to work for four days out of a seven day week.

The business, however, can remain open seven days a week if it wants to (as long as it has more than one employee).

I think you're confusing "work hours" with "business hours



probably... but   by the sound of that   it would still need man hours on the  other 3 days... :-/

unless you enjoy getting a robot on the end of a phone....


if  a business can run 3 days a week without staff...

why not a two day working  week?.....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 21st, 2020 at 5:00pm

Captain Nemo wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 11:15am:
The 4 day working week for employees is a great idea.  8-)

Where it has been done, productivity improves, the business does better, absenteeism reduces.

Family life improves.

It's a winner.  :)



which business are they Nemo??...

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 21st, 2020 at 5:05pm
Dont forget, if you currently work say an eight hour day, it becomes a ten hour day if youre only working for four days a week...instead of working say from 8 til 5 with an hour off for lunch...you would now have to work say 7 til 6 with an hour off for lunch...
Being old school, I don't think Id like that....
Thats a long day when you add the commute to and from work
on top of it.....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 21st, 2020 at 5:07pm
Someone correct me if my maths are wrong...

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Bojack Horseman on May 21st, 2020 at 5:24pm

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:07pm:
Someone correct me if my maths are wrong...



The maths aren't wrong. But the assumption with this thing is that there seems to be a increase in productivity associated with working 4 instead of 5

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 21st, 2020 at 5:26pm

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Dont forget, if you currently work say an eight hour day, it becomes a ten hour day if youre only working for four days a week...instead of working say from 8 til 5 with an hour off for lunch...you would now have to work say 7 til 6 with an hour off for lunch...
Being old school, I don't think Id like that....
Thats a long day when you add the commute to and from work
on top of it.....



true  but our coppers already work a 12 hour day  in NSW   and with 4 or 5 days off  at a time it works for them...a lot of jobs do not have office hours these days..

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Bojack Horseman on May 21st, 2020 at 5:27pm

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:26pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Dont forget, if you currently work say an eight hour day, it becomes a ten hour day if youre only working for four days a week...instead of working say from 8 til 5 with an hour off for lunch...you would now have to work say 7 til 6 with an hour off for lunch...
Being old school, I don't think Id like that....
Thats a long day when you add the commute to and from work
on top of it.....



true  but our coppers already work a 12 hour day  in NSW   and with 4 or 5 days off  at a time it works for them...a lot of jobs do not have office hours these days..




I mean obviously its not going to work for everyone but a lot of jobs are outcomes based not hours based these days.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 21st, 2020 at 5:29pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:24pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:07pm:
Someone correct me if my maths are wrong...



The maths aren't wrong. But the assumption with this thing is that there seems to be a increase in productivity associated with working 4 instead of 5

I couldn't agree more.
I think if I was going from an 8hour day to a 10hour and only working four days I tend to think my productivity
would not increase.
10hours is a long day...

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Bojack Horseman on May 21st, 2020 at 5:33pm

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:29pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:24pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:07pm:
Someone correct me if my maths are wrong...



The maths aren't wrong. But the assumption with this thing is that there seems to be a increase in productivity associated with working 4 instead of 5

I couldn't agree more.
I think if I was going from an 8hour day to a 10hour and only working four days I tend to think my productivity
would not increase.
10hours is a long day...



Some people don't mind 10 hours.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by freediver on May 21st, 2020 at 5:34pm

John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 8:46am:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 9:45pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:39pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:14pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:12pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:08pm:
People like lawyers, doctors, engineers etc. At least, the ones who really want a promotion.


or those that want to keep their job.


This is usually clearly stated upfront in the contract. So yeah, they have already chosen.


ahh, no, not really.

Besides, It's not much of a choice when it's either say yes or no job.


Fear of the unknown is not the same thing as absence of choice.


fear of the unknown? Is that what you're calling unemployment now?

you should get a job for the liberal party


That's what I call it when people think they have no choice but to accept the first job offer they get.


greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:05am:

billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:53pm:
She hasnt released the details yet because its just a thought bubble to test the waters...I dont need the details....four days wages is less than five days wages....


Are you sure the wages are going to be reduced?

I know dozens of people who have changed from five days a week to four days a week, and they didn't lose a cent in pay.

Five day week, 38 hours = work 7.6 hours per day.

Four day week, 38 hours = work 9.5 hours per day.

Exact same pay, but they work a longer day.


"The New Zealand company behind a landmark trial of a four-day working week has declared it a success and will be adopting the new schedule full time.

"Almost 250 staff at Perpetual Guardian, a company which manages trusts, wills and estate planning, trialled a four-day working week over March and April this year, working four eight-hour days but getting paid for five."


'No downside': New Zealand firm adopts four-day week after successful trial

"A New Zealand company is on the cusp of granting its employees the ultimate in work-life balance: four days work for five days pay."

Work four days, get paid for five: New Zealand company's new shorter week


Sounds like a fairy tale to me. No wonder it appeals to Pecca.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:26pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Dont forget, if you currently work say an eight hour day, it becomes a ten hour day if youre only working for four days a week...instead of working say from 8 til 5 with an hour off for lunch...you would now have to work say 7 til 6 with an hour off for lunch...
Being old school, I don't think Id like that....
Thats a long day when you add the commute to and from work
on top of it.....



true  but our coppers already work a 12 hour day  in NSW   and with 4 or 5 days off  at a time it works for them...a lot of jobs do not have office hours these days..

The coppers I have met over the years have all been alcoholics and divorced by the time they are 30.
A copper I once lived next to in NSW was a chronic wife basher. The long hours just might have something to do with it....I don't really know if the Police are a good example of a 12 hour shift actually being a good idea...

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 21st, 2020 at 5:40pm
Irrespective of your point of view, it is really such a delightfully interesting topic isnt it...
How long does the average worker want to work for a reasonable wage, whilst at the same time hoping that he is not being manipulated by his employer....fascinating stuff.....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by JaSin. on May 21st, 2020 at 6:00pm

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:26pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Dont forget, if you currently work say an eight hour day, it becomes a ten hour day if youre only working for four days a week...instead of working say from 8 til 5 with an hour off for lunch...you would now have to work say 7 til 6 with an hour off for lunch...
Being old school, I don't think Id like that....
Thats a long day when you add the commute to and from work
on top of it.....



true  but our coppers already work a 12 hour day  in NSW   and with 4 or 5 days off  at a time it works for them...a lot of jobs do not have office hours these days..

The coppers I have met over the years have all been alcoholics and divorced by the time they are 30.
A copper I once lived next to in NSW was a chronic wife basher. The long hours just might have something to do with it....I don't really know if the Police are a good example of a 12 hour shift actually being a good idea...

I remember someone saying exactly the same thing once, possibly last year.
Were you here Billy The Kid, under another Avatar/Name previously?

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 21st, 2020 at 6:41pm

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Dont forget, if you currently work say an eight hour day, it becomes a ten hour day if youre only working for four days a week...instead of working say from 8 til 5 with an hour off for lunch...you would now have to work say 7 til 6 with an hour off for lunch...
Being old school, I don't think Id like that....
Thats a long day when you add the commute to and from work
on top of it.....


Well, work for someone else then.

Long days don't appeal to everyone, just as short days don't appeal to everyone.

Some people prefer to work shorter days - they prefer to do about 6 hours per day 6 days a week.

Different strokes for different folks.

Personally, I'd rather do 9.5 hours every day to get my 38 hours in.


Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 21st, 2020 at 6:46pm

freediver wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:34pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 8:46am:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 9:45pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:39pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:14pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:12pm:

freediver wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 6:08pm:
People like lawyers, doctors, engineers etc. At least, the ones who really want a promotion.


or those that want to keep their job.


This is usually clearly stated upfront in the contract. So yeah, they have already chosen.


ahh, no, not really.

Besides, It's not much of a choice when it's either say yes or no job.


Fear of the unknown is not the same thing as absence of choice.


fear of the unknown? Is that what you're calling unemployment now?

you should get a job for the liberal party


That's what I call it when people think they have no choice but to accept the first job offer they get.


greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:05am:

billy the kid wrote on May 20th, 2020 at 5:53pm:
She hasnt released the details yet because its just a thought bubble to test the waters...I dont need the details....four days wages is less than five days wages....


Are you sure the wages are going to be reduced?

I know dozens of people who have changed from five days a week to four days a week, and they didn't lose a cent in pay.

Five day week, 38 hours = work 7.6 hours per day.

Four day week, 38 hours = work 9.5 hours per day.

Exact same pay, but they work a longer day.


"The New Zealand company behind a landmark trial of a four-day working week has declared it a success and will be adopting the new schedule full time.

"Almost 250 staff at Perpetual Guardian, a company which manages trusts, wills and estate planning, trialled a four-day working week over March and April this year, working four eight-hour days but getting paid for five."


'No downside': New Zealand firm adopts four-day week after successful trial

"A New Zealand company is on the cusp of granting its employees the ultimate in work-life balance: four days work for five days pay."

Work four days, get paid for five: New Zealand company's new shorter week


Sounds like a fairy tale to me. No wonder it appeals to Pecca.


Not a fairy tale at all.

Four day weeks have been working successfully in many countries for several years.

https://zapier.com/blog/four-day-work-week/


Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by freediver on May 21st, 2020 at 7:04pm
What is your yardstick of 'success'?

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 21st, 2020 at 7:10pm

freediver wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 7:04pm:
What is your yardstick of 'success'?


Captain Nemo said it succinctly:

"productivity improves, the business does better, absenteeism reduces. Family life improves".

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by freediver on May 21st, 2020 at 8:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 7:10pm:

freediver wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 7:04pm:
What is your yardstick of 'success'?


Captain Nemo said it succinctly:

"productivity improves, the business does better, absenteeism reduces. Family life improves".


That's how you measure the success of a country?

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 21st, 2020 at 9:12pm

freediver wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 8:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 7:10pm:

freediver wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 7:04pm:
What is your yardstick of 'success'?


Captain Nemo said it succinctly:

"productivity improves, the business does better, absenteeism reduces. Family life improves".


That's how you measure the success of a country?


Are you going to move the goal posts again?

If so, give me a heads up.

Cheers.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by freediver on May 21st, 2020 at 9:40pm
Why is this so complicated for you Greg?


greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 6:46pm:

freediver wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:34pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 8:46am:
"The New Zealand company behind a landmark trial of a four-day working week has declared it a success and will be adopting the new schedule full time.

"Almost 250 staff at Perpetual Guardian, a company which manages trusts, wills and estate planning, trialled a four-day working week over March and April this year, working four eight-hour days but getting paid for five."


'No downside': New Zealand firm adopts four-day week after successful trial

"A New Zealand company is on the cusp of granting its employees the ultimate in work-life balance: four days work for five days pay."

Work four days, get paid for five: New Zealand company's new shorter week


Sounds like a fairy tale to me. No wonder it appeals to Pecca.


Not a fairy tale at all.

Four day weeks have been working successfully in many countries for several years.

https://zapier.com/blog/four-day-work-week/



freediver wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 7:04pm:
What is your yardstick of 'success'?


Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Ye Grappler on May 22nd, 2020 at 1:25am
Work four days - get paid for five - the Good.
Work four days - get paid for four - the Bad.
Work four days - get paid the equivalent of three - the Ugly.

How long, may one ask, is a business going to pay five day's pay for four days work?

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:40am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 1:25am:
Work four days - get paid for five - the Good.
Work four days - get paid for four - the Bad.
Work four days - get paid the equivalent of three - the Ugly.

How long, may one ask, is a business going to pay five day's pay for four days work?


Jesus Christ, why do you guys have so much trouble understanding this?

You used to work five days, and get paid 38 hours.

Switching to a four day week means you work four longer days, and still get paid 38 hours.

You don't get an extra day's pay - you get the exact same pay.

Basic maths.

Five day week: work 7.6 hours per day, paid for 38 hours.

Four day week: work 9.5 hours per day, paid for 38 hours.

::)

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 22nd, 2020 at 7:21am

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:26pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Dont forget, if you currently work say an eight hour day, it becomes a ten hour day if youre only working for four days a week...instead of working say from 8 til 5 with an hour off for lunch...you would now have to work say 7 til 6 with an hour off for lunch...
Being old school, I don't think Id like that....
Thats a long day when you add the commute to and from work
on top of it.....



true  but our coppers already work a 12 hour day  in NSW   and with 4 or 5 days off  at a time it works for them...a lot of jobs do not have office hours these days..

The coppers I have met over the years have all been alcoholics and divorced by the time they are 30.
A copper I once lived next to in NSW was a chronic wife basher. The long hours just might have something to do with it....I don't really know if the Police are a good example of a 12 hour shift actually being a good idea...



seriously you have lost the plot....

you once lived next door to a copper   so you are an expert on everyone of them... ::) ::)

I dont think 12 hour shifts are a good thing to be honest  but 10 hrs wouldnt be a problem because of the extended hours off....... as long as everyone does the recommended 38 hours....staggering traffic on the roads  would be a bonus...  the fact we are on differing time lines around the country would have to be a bonus.....we are in a fantastic place to make changes to our lifestyle

it wont be suitable for all business  thats for sure....but if it works for them   WHY NOT?.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on May 22nd, 2020 at 7:21am
I used to work a job that was 12.5 hours a day 3.5 days a week. It was great

Spot

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 22nd, 2020 at 8:31am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 7:21am:
I used to work a job that was 12.5 hours a day 3.5 days a week. It was great

Spot


Exactly.

I've done similar.

We have the four day week here in Australia already, if businesses want to use it.

And, many do.

New Zealand has it too.

Adern is just suggesting that more businesses should consider it as an option.

Five day weeks are the norm, sure - but as long as other laws are adhered too (not working excessive hours in one day, for example) there's nothing stopping businesses from having their employees work a four day week.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 22nd, 2020 at 8:48am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 7:21am:
I used to work a job that was 12.5 hours a day 3.5 days a week. It was great

Spot


I have often thought why not a 7 day week...  every business at least 7x10 hour days......two people each job each working 3.5.days a week.....each getting the same basic wage...retail and hospitality  now work more hours than that...

but if say dentists or hairdressers accountants also did the same thing...... each person would get the same basic pay..

the weeks could work from Sun Mon Tues half day Wed. ..half day Wed thur Fri Sat,,,.. with no penalty rates....

I am thinking public transport would be easier...

as well as our road system not being blocked up just a few hours a dayl..

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:08am

cods wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 7:21am:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:26pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Dont forget, if you currently work say an eight hour day, it becomes a ten hour day if youre only working for four days a week...instead of working say from 8 til 5 with an hour off for lunch...you would now have to work say 7 til 6 with an hour off for lunch...
Being old school, I don't think Id like that....
Thats a long day when you add the commute to and from work
on top of it.....



true  but our coppers already work a 12 hour day  in NSW   and with 4 or 5 days off  at a time it works for them...a lot of jobs do not have office hours these days..

The coppers I have met over the years have all been alcoholics and divorced by the time they are 30.
A copper I once lived next to in NSW was a chronic wife basher. The long hours just might have something to do with it....I don't really know if the Police are a good example of a 12 hour shift actually being a good idea...



seriously you have lost the plot....

you once lived next door to a copper   so you are an expert on everyone of them... ::) ::)

I dont think 12 hour shifts are a good thing to be honest  but 10 hrs wouldnt be a problem because of the extended hours off....... as long as everyone does the recommended 38 hours....staggering traffic on the roads  would be a bonus...  the fact we are on differing time lines around the country would have to be a bonus.....we are in a fantastic place to make changes to our lifestyle

it wont be suitable for all business  thats for sure....but if it works for them   WHY NOT?.

It is you who have lost the plot cods.
You state that it works for them, yet you contradict yourself by saying "I don't think 12 hour shifts are a good thing"
Yes I lived next to a Police Officer once...by the way that was when I was 16.....nothing has changed since then...
see the attached link...
I know Police Constables who have graduated from the Police Academy, all full of beans, and have resigned in one month when they have observed what it is really like.
I have associated with alcoholic Police officers over the
years. Their common comment to me is that a lot of people join the Police for one of three reasons....gash, cash or bash...note that I said a lot..not all of them...
There are fine Police officers out there, no doubt..but for you to suggest that Policing is an example of how longs shifts are successful is just plain ludicrous.
People leave the Police service in droves in Qld. Im sure its the same in other states. We don't hear about the numbers.
Stations on the GC have been undermanned for a decade or more. Backup is often more than 40 minutes away (if they get it) and officers often have to complete their paperwork after their shift has concluded in their own time...and by the way, they
often work all day with no meal break....
So don't lecture me about my knowledge of the Police Service sweetheart....
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/police-on-the-scrap-heap-the-effect-of-the-job-on-mental-health-20141129-11wn1j.html

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:23am

billy the kid wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:08am:

cods wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 7:21am:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:26pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Dont forget, if you currently work say an eight hour day, it becomes a ten hour day if youre only working for four days a week...instead of working say from 8 til 5 with an hour off for lunch...you would now have to work say 7 til 6 with an hour off for lunch...
Being old school, I don't think Id like that....
Thats a long day when you add the commute to and from work
on top of it.....



true  but our coppers already work a 12 hour day  in NSW   and with 4 or 5 days off  at a time it works for them...a lot of jobs do not have office hours these days..

The coppers I have met over the years have all been alcoholics and divorced by the time they are 30.
A copper I once lived next to in NSW was a chronic wife basher. The long hours just might have something to do with it....I don't really know if the Police are a good example of a 12 hour shift actually being a good idea...



seriously you have lost the plot....

you once lived next door to a copper   so you are an expert on everyone of them... ::) ::)

I dont think 12 hour shifts are a good thing to be honest  but 10 hrs wouldnt be a problem because of the extended hours off....... as long as everyone does the recommended 38 hours....staggering traffic on the roads  would be a bonus...  the fact we are on differing time lines around the country would have to be a bonus.....we are in a fantastic place to make changes to our lifestyle

it wont be suitable for all business  thats for sure....but if it works for them   WHY NOT?.

It is you who have lost the plot cods.
You state that it works for them, yet you contradict yourself by saying "I don't think 12 hour shifts are a good thing"  THATS WHAT I THINK I AM NOT A NSW COPPER..
Yes I lived next to a Police Officer once...by the way that was when I was 16.....nothing has changed since then...
see the attached link...
I know Police Constables who have graduated from the Police Academy, all full of beans, and have resigned in one month when they have observed what it is really like.
I have associated with alcoholic Police officers over the
years. Their common comment to me is that a lot of people join the Police for one of three reasons....gash, cash or bash...note that I said a lot..not all of them...
There are fine Police officers out there, no doubt..but for you to suggest that Policing is an example of how longs shifts are successful is just plain ludicrous.
People leave the Police service in droves in Qld. Im sure its the same in other states. We don't hear about the numbers.
Stations on the GC have been undermanned for a decade or more. Backup is often more than 40 minutes away (if they get it) and officers often have to complete their paperwork after their shift has concluded in their own time...and by the way, they
often work all day with no meal break....
So don't lecture me about my knowledge of the Police Service sweetheart....
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/police-on-the-scrap-heap-the-effect-of-the-job-on-mental-health-20141129-11wn1j.html




MY TWO SON IN LAWS WERE COPPERS.. ::)

one is still in the AFP but hes Forensics...
olus one daughter worked 30 yrs in the AFP

you mentioned living next door to one.... ::)nothing else !now you seem to have met all kinds...you do know they are human dont you????? and have as many warts as any other human.

so no I am not lecturing at all... but I would think I have more knowledge of the inside workings of both the AFP and NSW policing.....and all its dramas and faults...


Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:30am

cods wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:23am:

billy the kid wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:08am:

cods wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 7:21am:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:26pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Dont forget, if you currently work say an eight hour day, it becomes a ten hour day if youre only working for four days a week...instead of working say from 8 til 5 with an hour off for lunch...you would now have to work say 7 til 6 with an hour off for lunch...
Being old school, I don't think Id like that....
Thats a long day when you add the commute to and from work
on top of it.....



true  but our coppers already work a 12 hour day  in NSW   and with 4 or 5 days off  at a time it works for them...a lot of jobs do not have office hours these days..

The coppers I have met over the years have all been alcoholics and divorced by the time they are 30.
A copper I once lived next to in NSW was a chronic wife basher. The long hours just might have something to do with it....I don't really know if the Police are a good example of a 12 hour shift actually being a good idea...



seriously you have lost the plot....

you once lived next door to a copper   so you are an expert on everyone of them... ::) ::)

I dont think 12 hour shifts are a good thing to be honest  but 10 hrs wouldnt be a problem because of the extended hours off....... as long as everyone does the recommended 38 hours....staggering traffic on the roads  would be a bonus...  the fact we are on differing time lines around the country would have to be a bonus.....we are in a fantastic place to make changes to our lifestyle

it wont be suitable for all business  thats for sure....but if it works for them   WHY NOT?.

It is you who have lost the plot cods.
You state that it works for them, yet you contradict yourself by saying "I don't think 12 hour shifts are a good thing"  THATS WHAT I THINK I AM NOT A NSW COPPER..
Yes I lived next to a Police Officer once...by the way that was when I was 16.....nothing has changed since then...
see the attached link...
I know Police Constables who have graduated from the Police Academy, all full of beans, and have resigned in one month when they have observed what it is really like.
I have associated with alcoholic Police officers over the
years. Their common comment to me is that a lot of people join the Police for one of three reasons....gash, cash or bash...note that I said a lot..not all of them...
There are fine Police officers out there, no doubt..but for you to suggest that Policing is an example of how longs shifts are successful is just plain ludicrous.
People leave the Police service in droves in Qld. Im sure its the same in other states. We don't hear about the numbers.
Stations on the GC have been undermanned for a decade or more. Backup is often more than 40 minutes away (if they get it) and officers often have to complete their paperwork after their shift has concluded in their own time...and by the way, they
often work all day with no meal break....
So don't lecture me about my knowledge of the Police Service sweetheart....
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/police-on-the-scrap-heap-the-effect-of-the-job-on-mental-health-20141129-11wn1j.html




MY TWO SON IN LAWS WERE COPPERS.. ::)

one is still in the AFP but hes Forensics...
olus one daughter worked 30 yrs in the AFP

you mentioned living next door to one.... ::)nothing else !now you seem to have met all kinds...you do know they are human dont you????? and have as many warts as any other human.

so no I am not lecturing at all... but I would think I have more knowledge of the inside workings of both the AFP and NSW policing.....and all its dramas and faults...

So now you are turning this into a pissing contest as to who knows more about the Police....you don't know me....
Waste of time talking to you.....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Bojack Horseman on May 22nd, 2020 at 12:20pm
Basically Billy the kid wants the ability to bludge on his employers time 5 days a week

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 22nd, 2020 at 1:03pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 12:20pm:
Basically Billy the kid wants the ability to bludge on his employers time 5 days a week

Where did I say that...

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Ye Grappler on May 22nd, 2020 at 1:40pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:40am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 1:25am:
Work four days - get paid for five - the Good.
Work four days - get paid for four - the Bad.
Work four days - get paid the equivalent of three - the Ugly.

How long, may one ask, is a business going to pay five day's pay for four days work?


Jesus Christ, why do you guys have so much trouble understanding this?

You used to work five days, and get paid 38 hours.

Switching to a four day week means you work four longer days, and still get paid 38 hours.

You don't get an extra day's pay - you get the exact same pay.

Basic maths.

Five day week: work 7.6 hours per day, paid for 38 hours.

Four day week: work 9.5 hours per day, paid for 38 hours.

::)


Ah - much better... thank you, O Enlightened One...

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Ye Grappler on May 22nd, 2020 at 1:45pm

cods wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:23am:

billy the kid wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:08am:

cods wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 7:21am:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:26pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Dont forget, if you currently work say an eight hour day, it becomes a ten hour day if youre only working for four days a week...instead of working say from 8 til 5 with an hour off for lunch...you would now have to work say 7 til 6 with an hour off for lunch...
Being old school, I don't think Id like that....
Thats a long day when you add the commute to and from work
on top of it.....



true  but our coppers already work a 12 hour day  in NSW   and with 4 or 5 days off  at a time it works for them...a lot of jobs do not have office hours these days..

The coppers I have met over the years have all been alcoholics and divorced by the time they are 30.
A copper I once lived next to in NSW was a chronic wife basher. The long hours just might have something to do with it....I don't really know if the Police are a good example of a 12 hour shift actually being a good idea...



seriously you have lost the plot....

you once lived next door to a copper   so you are an expert on everyone of them... ::) ::)

I dont think 12 hour shifts are a good thing to be honest  but 10 hrs wouldnt be a problem because of the extended hours off....... as long as everyone does the recommended 38 hours....staggering traffic on the roads  would be a bonus...  the fact we are on differing time lines around the country would have to be a bonus.....we are in a fantastic place to make changes to our lifestyle

it wont be suitable for all business  thats for sure....but if it works for them   WHY NOT?.

It is you who have lost the plot cods.
You state that it works for them, yet you contradict yourself by saying "I don't think 12 hour shifts are a good thing"  THATS WHAT I THINK I AM NOT A NSW COPPER..
Yes I lived next to a Police Officer once...by the way that was when I was 16.....nothing has changed since then...
see the attached link...
I know Police Constables who have graduated from the Police Academy, all full of beans, and have resigned in one month when they have observed what it is really like.
I have associated with alcoholic Police officers over the
years. Their common comment to me is that a lot of people join the Police for one of three reasons....gash, cash or bash...note that I said a lot..not all of them...
There are fine Police officers out there, no doubt..but for you to suggest that Policing is an example of how longs shifts are successful is just plain ludicrous.
People leave the Police service in droves in Qld. Im sure its the same in other states. We don't hear about the numbers.
Stations on the GC have been undermanned for a decade or more. Backup is often more than 40 minutes away (if they get it) and officers often have to complete their paperwork after their shift has concluded in their own time...and by the way, they
often work all day with no meal break....
So don't lecture me about my knowledge of the Police Service sweetheart....
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/police-on-the-scrap-heap-the-effect-of-the-job-on-mental-health-20141129-11wn1j.html




MY TWO SON IN LAWS WERE COPPERS.. ::)

one is still in the AFP but hes Forensics...
olus one daughter worked 30 yrs in the AFP

you mentioned living next door to one.... ::)nothing else !now you seem to have met all kinds...you do know they are human dont you????? and have as many warts as any other human.

so no I am not lecturing at all... but I would think I have more knowledge of the inside workings of both the AFP and NSW policing.....and all its dramas and faults...


Known a few of 'em - coppers and firies are in the family - it takes a strong-willed individual to not allow the power to go to their heads, along with the excuse that it's a hard job.  Lots of burnouts along the way - unfortunately the NSW Service used to plonk all the burnouts into country towns for a rest cure - and usually mayhem followed with fit-ups on locals, perjury rife (along with tame magistrates who accept anything from 'city hall') and hostility and endless complaints.

Seems to be improving though since that bloke took over the Academy and installed a different outlook of serving the community instead of warring on it.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:12pm

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:52am:
Exactly that - employees only going to work for four days out of a seven day week.

The business, however, can remain open seven days a week if it wants to (as long as it has more than one employee).

I think you're confusing "work hours" with "business hours



probably... but   by the sound of that   it would still need man hours on the  other 3 days... :-/

unless you enjoy getting a robot on the end of a phone....


if  a business can run 3 days a week without staff...

why not a two day working  week?.....


Good grief Cods ... you still don't get it.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:19pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 12:20pm:
Basically Billy the kid wants the ability to bludge on his employers time 5 days a week



he also only wants to SPOUT his own version of a topic... why he is on a public forum has to be a mystery... >:( >:(

bad tempered clown... doesnt want other peoples opinion....why bother coming here..

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:20pm

Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:12pm:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:52am:
Exactly that - employees only going to work for four days out of a seven day week.

The business, however, can remain open seven days a week if it wants to (as long as it has more than one employee).

I think you're confusing "work hours" with "business hours



probably... but   by the sound of that   it would still need man hours on the  other 3 days... :-/

unless you enjoy getting a robot on the end of a phone....


if  a business can run 3 days a week without staff...

why not a two day working  week?.....


Good grief Cods ... you still don't get it.




but you do so that makes it ok!

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:23pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:24pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:07pm:
Someone correct me if my maths are wrong...



The maths aren't wrong. But the assumption with this thing is that there seems to be a increase in productivity associated with working 4 instead of 5


I believe the Swedes work a 4 day week but they also work a shorter number of hours a day.

Every suggestion for shorter days in Australia has resulted in longer hours per day.

10 to 12 hrs shifts.

And that does not result in 10 or 12 hours of good productivity.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:24pm

cods wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:20pm:

Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:12pm:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:52am:
Exactly that - employees only going to work for four days out of a seven day week.

The business, however, can remain open seven days a week if it wants to (as long as it has more than one employee).

I think you're confusing "work hours" with "business hours



probably... but   by the sound of that   it would still need man hours on the  other 3 days... :-/

unless you enjoy getting a robot on the end of a phone....


if  a business can run 3 days a week without staff...

why not a two day working  week?.....


Good grief Cods ... you still don't get it.




but you do so that makes it ok!


Of course :P

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:25pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 1:45pm:

cods wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:23am:

billy the kid wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:08am:

cods wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 7:21am:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:26pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Dont forget, if you currently work say an eight hour day, it becomes a ten hour day if youre only working for four days a week...instead of working say from 8 til 5 with an hour off for lunch...you would now have to work say 7 til 6 with an hour off for lunch...
Being old school, I don't think Id like that....
Thats a long day when you add the commute to and from work
on top of it.....



true  but our coppers already work a 12 hour day  in NSW   and with 4 or 5 days off  at a time it works for them...a lot of jobs do not have office hours these days..

The coppers I have met over the years have all been alcoholics and divorced by the time they are 30.
A copper I once lived next to in NSW was a chronic wife basher. The long hours just might have something to do with it....I don't really know if the Police are a good example of a 12 hour shift actually being a good idea...



seriously you have lost the plot....

you once lived next door to a copper   so you are an expert on everyone of them... ::) ::)

I dont think 12 hour shifts are a good thing to be honest  but 10 hrs wouldnt be a problem because of the extended hours off....... as long as everyone does the recommended 38 hours....staggering traffic on the roads  would be a bonus...  the fact we are on differing time lines around the country would have to be a bonus.....we are in a fantastic place to make changes to our lifestyle

it wont be suitable for all business  thats for sure....but if it works for them   WHY NOT?.

It is you who have lost the plot cods.
You state that it works for them, yet you contradict yourself by saying "I don't think 12 hour shifts are a good thing"  THATS WHAT I THINK I AM NOT A NSW COPPER..
Yes I lived next to a Police Officer once...by the way that was when I was 16.....nothing has changed since then...
see the attached link...
I know Police Constables who have graduated from the Police Academy, all full of beans, and have resigned in one month when they have observed what it is really like.
I have associated with alcoholic Police officers over the
years. Their common comment to me is that a lot of people join the Police for one of three reasons....gash, cash or bash...note that I said a lot..not all of them...
There are fine Police officers out there, no doubt..but for you to suggest that Policing is an example of how longs shifts are successful is just plain ludicrous.
People leave the Police service in droves in Qld. Im sure its the same in other states. We don't hear about the numbers.
Stations on the GC have been undermanned for a decade or more. Backup is often more than 40 minutes away (if they get it) and officers often have to complete their paperwork after their shift has concluded in their own time...and by the way, they
often work all day with no meal break....
So don't lecture me about my knowledge of the Police Service sweetheart....
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/police-on-the-scrap-heap-the-effect-of-the-job-on-mental-health-20141129-11wn1j.html




MY TWO SON IN LAWS WERE COPPERS.. ::)

one is still in the AFP but hes Forensics...
olus one daughter worked 30 yrs in the AFP

you mentioned living next door to one.... ::)nothing else !now you seem to have met all kinds...you do know they are human dont you????? and have as many warts as any other human.

so no I am not lecturing at all... but I would think I have more knowledge of the inside workings of both the AFP and NSW policing.....and all its dramas and faults...


Known a few of 'em - coppers and firies are in the family - it takes a strong-willed individual to not allow the power to go to their heads, along with the excuse that it's a hard job.  Lots of burnouts along the way - unfortunately the NSW Service used to plonk all the burnouts into country towns for a rest cure - and usually mayhem followed with fit-ups on locals, perjury rife (along with tame magistrates who accept anything from 'city hall') and hostility and endless complaints.

Seems to be improving though since that bloke took over the Academy and installed a different outlook of serving the community instead of warring on it.



sadly all those Royals didnt do the service any good..
and the mud doesnt go away over night...both my son in laws are good people  not drunks  or divorced from my daughters......I am very happy with them one is retired already... he was in a massive motor bike accident many years ago  so its catching up with him...

we dont really appreciate what they have to go through to do their job...every day is different   they cant plan for it...so they have to be full on all the time....plus not lose their tempers whilst being abused.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:33pm

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:26pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Dont forget, if you currently work say an eight hour day, it becomes a ten hour day if youre only working for four days a week...instead of working say from 8 til 5 with an hour off for lunch...you would now have to work say 7 til 6 with an hour off for lunch...
Being old school, I don't think Id like that....
Thats a long day when you add the commute to and from work
on top of it.....



true  but our coppers already work a 12 hour day  in NSW   and with 4 or 5 days off  at a time it works for them...a lot of jobs do not have office hours these days..

The coppers I have met over the years have all been alcoholics and divorced by the time they are 30.
A copper I once lived next to in NSW was a chronic wife basher. The long hours just might have something to do with it....I don't really know if the Police are a good example of a 12 hour shift actually being a good idea...


It aint .... for shift workers.

I spent 46 years in the Railways .... 36 of them working broken shifts i.e. the shift can be anytime night or day not fixed shifts.

I wasn't in the job long to notice the number of blokes who had woman/marriage problems ..... especially if the were hungry buggers chasing all the overtime etc.

But I was told the Railwaymen ran second behind coppers for the highest divorce rates.

As an old driver said to me once ...... we spend a lot of time away from home ... so when you're at home you better mow the grass regular .....

because if you don't .... someone else will be mowing it for you.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:39pm

Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:12pm:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:52am:
Exactly that - employees only going to work for four days out of a seven day week.

The business, however, can remain open seven days a week if it wants to (as long as it has more than one employee).

I think you're confusing "work hours" with "business hours



probably... but   by the sound of that   it would still need man hours on the  other 3 days... :-/

unless you enjoy getting a robot on the end of a phone....


if  a business can run 3 days a week without staff...

why not a two day working  week?.....


Good grief Cods ... you still don't get it.


She thinks that all the employees are going to work the exact same four days, and have the exact same three days off.

It doesn't work like that, cods.

The business can run seven days a week if it wants.

The business hours don't have to be reduced - it's just the employees' work days (not their hours or wages) that are reduced.

Someone works Monday to Thursday, for example, and another employee works Thursday to Sunday.

They each only work four days; every day of the week is still covered, and the business can stay open for seven days.


Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:39pm:

Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:12pm:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:52am:
Exactly that - employees only going to work for four days out of a seven day week.

The business, however, can remain open seven days a week if it wants to (as long as it has more than one employee).

I think you're confusing "work hours" with "business hours



probably... but   by the sound of that   it would still need man hours on the  other 3 days... :-/

unless you enjoy getting a robot on the end of a phone....


if  a business can run 3 days a week without staff...

why not a two day working  week?.....


Good grief Cods ... you still don't get it.


She thinks that all the employees are going to work the exact same four days, and have the exact same three days off.

It doesn't work like that, cods.

The business can run seven days a week if it wants.

The business hours don't have to be reduced - it's just the employees' work days (not their hours or wages) that are reduced.

Someone works Monday to Thursday, for example, and another employee works Thursday to Sunday.

They each only work four days; every day of the week is still covered, and the business can stay open for seven days.


The bitch you get from employers is they have to pay 2 lots of super, sick leave, holidays etc. etc

they always want to increase hours per day & cut wages, entitlements & conditions ...

hence the plague of part time & casualisation.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:39pm:

Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:12pm:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:52am:
Exactly that - employees only going to work for four days out of a seven day week.

The business, however, can remain open seven days a week if it wants to (as long as it has more than one employee).

I think you're confusing "work hours" with "business hours



probably... but   by the sound of that   it would still need man hours on the  other 3 days... :-/

unless you enjoy getting a robot on the end of a phone....


if  a business can run 3 days a week without staff...

why not a two day working  week?.....


Good grief Cods ... you still don't get it.


She thinks that all the employees are going to work the exact same four days, and have the exact same three days off.

It doesn't work like that, cods.

The business can run seven days a week if it wants.

The business hours don't have to be reduced - it's just the employees' work days (not their hours or wages) that are reduced.

Someone works Monday to Thursday, for example, and another employee works Thursday to Sunday.

They each only work four days; every day of the week is still covered, and the business can stay open for seven days.

Oh goodness me GP...be careful...someone might think you are such a bad tempered clown....goodness me...
Why some people are on a public forum...goodness me...

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:54pm

Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:33pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:36pm:

cods wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:26pm:

billy the kid wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 5:05pm:
Dont forget, if you currently work say an eight hour day, it becomes a ten hour day if youre only working for four days a week...instead of working say from 8 til 5 with an hour off for lunch...you would now have to work say 7 til 6 with an hour off for lunch...
Being old school, I don't think Id like that....
Thats a long day when you add the commute to and from work
on top of it.....



true  but our coppers already work a 12 hour day  in NSW   and with 4 or 5 days off  at a time it works for them...a lot of jobs do not have office hours these days..

The coppers I have met over the years have all been alcoholics and divorced by the time they are 30.
A copper I once lived next to in NSW was a chronic wife basher. The long hours just might have something to do with it....I don't really know if the Police are a good example of a 12 hour shift actually being a good idea...


It aint .... for shift workers.

I spent 46 years in the Railways .... 36 of them working broken shifts i.e. the shift can be anytime night or day not fixed shifts.

I wasn't in the job long to notice the number of blokes who had woman/marriage problems ..... especially if the were hungry buggers chasing all the overtime etc.

But I was told the Railwaymen ran second behind coppers for the highest divorce rates.

As an old driver said to me once ...... we spend a lot of time away from home ... so when you're at home you better mow the grass regular .....

because if you don't .... someone else will be mowing it for you.

Goodness me gnads...don't you know both my sons in law are Police and they are good people...youre just like billy...youre becoming a bad tempered clown....tsk tsk...

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by freediver on May 23rd, 2020 at 10:12am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 22nd, 2020 at 6:40am:
Jesus Christ, why do you guys have so much trouble understanding this?

You used to work five days, and get paid 38 hours.

Switching to a four day week means you work four longer days, and still get paid 38 hours.
::)



greggerypeccary wrote on May 21st, 2020 at 10:33am:
"Almost 250 staff at Perpetual Guardian, a company which manages trusts, wills and estate planning, trialled a four-day working week over March and April this year, working four eight-hour days but getting paid for five."[/i]


Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Ye Grappler on May 25th, 2020 at 2:02am
Ah, so - this is the NEW assault on penalty rates... how very cunning are these Right Wing Leftist Laborites under Horse-Teeth What's-Er-Name, eh?  Ah, yes - JACINTA THE GREAT!

Get everyone working four days @ 9.5 hours.... and you can't 'discriminate' by DEMANDING that one who works Mon-Thur be paid less than one who works Fri-Mon.... or that one who works Fri-Mon be paid more for the same hours worked...

There, My Lord - THERE is your enemy!  Inside every politician hides an Adolph Stalin or a Jozep Hitler.... and the peasants will do their bidding....

(hello!!)   8-)  (nailed it in one, Grappler)....

P.S. My uncle were a country copper for 45 years.... he lived on-site with residence in the Southern Highlands, and his hours were 24/7/365 as required... he never missed a call...

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by greggerypeccary on May 25th, 2020 at 5:44am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 25th, 2020 at 2:02am:
Ah, so - this is the NEW assault on penalty rates... how very cunning are these Right Wing Leftist Laborites under Horse-Teeth What's-Er-Name, eh?  Ah, yes - JACINTA THE GREAT!

Get everyone working four days @ 9.5 hours.... and you can't 'discriminate' by DEMANDING that one who works Mon-Thur be paid less than one who works Fri-Mon.... or that one who works Fri-Mon be paid more for the same hours worked...

There, My Lord - THERE is your enemy!  Inside every politician hides an Adolph Stalin or a Jozep Hitler.... and the peasants will do their bidding....

(hello!!)   8-)  (nailed it in one, Grappler)....

P.S. My uncle were a country copper for 45 years.... he lived on-site with residence in the Southern Highlands, and his hours were 24/7/365 as required... he never missed a call...


If it's a Mon - Fri business one would work Mon to Thurs and the other Tue to Fri, for example.

Businesses all over Australia and New Zealand already do this sort of thing.

It's nothing new.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by cods on May 25th, 2020 at 6:23am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 25th, 2020 at 2:02am:
Ah, so - this is the NEW assault on penalty rates... how very cunning are these Right Wing Leftist Laborites under Horse-Teeth What's-Er-Name, eh?  Ah, yes - JACINTA THE GREAT!

Get everyone working four days @ 9.5 hours.... and you can't 'discriminate' by DEMANDING that one who works Mon-Thur be paid less than one who works Fri-Mon.... or that one who works Fri-Mon be paid more for the same hours worked...

There, My Lord - THERE is your enemy!  Inside every politician hides an Adolph Stalin or a Jozep Hitler.... and the peasants will do their bidding....

(hello!!)   8-)  (nailed it in one, Grappler)....

P.S. My uncle were a country copper for 45 years.... he lived on-site with residence in the Southern Highlands, and his hours were 24/7/365 as required... he never missed a call...



I believe there are still places like that in this country....

it would be a tough call   same goes for the doctors and nurses and vets....we dont know the half of it....

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Ye Grappler on May 25th, 2020 at 1:45pm
God Speaks!

https://au.news.yahoo.com/jacinda-ardern-unfazed-by-nz-earthquake-live-on-television-000630700.html?utm_source=Marketing&utm_medium=EDM&utm_campaign=EDM&utm_term=News&ncid=newsletter_edm_uf9cw7lph94

"It seems not even an earthquake can rattle New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern after her “ice cool” reaction to a 5.8 magnitude tremor was captured on live television.

Ms Ardern was mid-conversation with Channel Three’s Newshub host Ryan Bridge on Monday morning when the screen began to shake.

"We're just having a bit of an earthquake here," she nonchalantly declared.

Ms Ardern was being interviewed in the executive government building in Wellington known as "the Beehive" for its distinctive shape when it hit.

“Quite a decent shake here. If you see things moving behind me," she said.

The camera shot shakes as Ms Ardern looks around to judge her safety, smiling throughout.

"The Beehive moves a little more than most."

Mr Bridge asks if she is safe to proceed, yet she insists there is nothing to worry about.

"It's just stopped. No, we're fine. I'm not under any hanging lights, I look like I'm in a structurally sound place."

The strong earthquake was centred 30km north west of Levin, a town around an hour's drive north of the New Zealand capital.

It was felt most sharply around the South Taranaki Bight, and the closest major town, Wellington, some 100 kilometres south.

Dozens took to social media shortly after in awe of Ms Ardern’s calm and collective response.

“Robust foundations and ice cool composure from our Queen,” one person wrote on Twitter.

“Why am I not surprised that Jacinda Ardern casually takes an earthquake interrupting her interview in her stride"


Jeez - if this keeps up - she'll be the Next Messiah..

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Ye Grappler on May 25th, 2020 at 1:49pm

cods wrote on May 25th, 2020 at 6:23am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 25th, 2020 at 2:02am:
Ah, so - this is the NEW assault on penalty rates... how very cunning are these Right Wing Leftist Laborites under Horse-Teeth What's-Er-Name, eh?  Ah, yes - JACINTA THE GREAT!

Get everyone working four days @ 9.5 hours.... and you can't 'discriminate' by DEMANDING that one who works Mon-Thur be paid less than one who works Fri-Mon.... or that one who works Fri-Mon be paid more for the same hours worked...

There, My Lord - THERE is your enemy!  Inside every politician hides an Adolph Stalin or a Jozep Hitler.... and the peasants will do their bidding....

(hello!!)   8-)  (nailed it in one, Grappler)....

P.S. My uncle were a country copper for 45 years.... he lived on-site with residence in the Southern Highlands, and his hours were 24/7/365 as required... he never missed a call...



I believe there are still places like that in this country....

it would be a tough call   same goes for the doctors and nurses and vets....we dont know the half of it....


His wife was a nurse, so she was often involved in accidents and such - they were a team really, and he liked to keep some stock in the station paddock - she got her licence test driving some cattle home once. She reckoned he should have been a farmer.  Tragically of their three children their son was murdered (though they adopted an abandoned boy), and their eldest daughter died of breast cancer... lovely lady and a loss.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Ye Grappler on May 25th, 2020 at 2:19pm
Anyway back to the subject of St Jacinta's latest:-

"Ah, so - this is the NEW assault on penalty rates... how very cunning are these Right Wing Leftist Laborites under Horse-Teeth What's-Er-Name, eh?  Ah, yes - JACINTA THE GREAT!

Get everyone working four days @ 9.5 hours.... and you can't 'discriminate' by DEMANDING that one who works Mon-Thur be paid less than one who works Fri-Mon.... or that one who works Fri-Mon be paid more for the same hours worked...

There, My Lord - THERE is your enemy!  Inside every politician hides an Adolph Stalin or a Jozep Hitler.... and the peasants will do their bidding....

(hello!!)   Cool  (nailed it in one, Grappler)...."


What a win-win for business, getting rid of penalty rates and ensuring seven days a week all in one - thus effectively reducing average pay per week -must have been a good donation in there somewhere... or is it St Jacinta The Terminally Naive?

NEVER trust a politician bearing gifts.

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by billy the kid on May 25th, 2020 at 2:32pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 25th, 2020 at 2:19pm:
Anyway back to the subject of St Jacinta's latest:-

"Ah, so - this is the NEW assault on penalty rates... how very cunning are these Right Wing Leftist Laborites under Horse-Teeth What's-Er-Name, eh?  Ah, yes - JACINTA THE GREAT!

Get everyone working four days @ 9.5 hours.... and you can't 'discriminate' by DEMANDING that one who works Mon-Thur be paid less than one who works Fri-Mon.... or that one who works Fri-Mon be paid more for the same hours worked...

There, My Lord - THERE is your enemy!  Inside every politician hides an Adolph Stalin or a Jozep Hitler.... and the peasants will do their bidding....

(hello!!)   Cool  (nailed it in one, Grappler)...."


What a win-win for business, getting rid of penalty rates and ensuring seven days a week all in one - thus effectively reducing average pay per week -must have been a good donation in there somewhere... or is it St Jacinta The Terminally Naive?

NEVER trust a politician bearing gifts.

There are many thought bubbles going around at the moment, all released by politicians...
Interestingly both Ardern and Palaszczuk have elections
later this year.
Of course by then decisions will be made in order to win
the elections...nothing to do with health, the virus, or anything else....
And who knows, both may struggle to win....
But I suppose nothing really changes, does it......

Title: Re: What a con by NZ..watch it take off in Australia.
Post by Ye Grappler on May 25th, 2020 at 2:42pm

billy the kid wrote on May 25th, 2020 at 2:32pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 25th, 2020 at 2:19pm:
Anyway back to the subject of St Jacinta's latest:-

"Ah, so - this is the NEW assault on penalty rates... how very cunning are these Right Wing Leftist Laborites under Horse-Teeth What's-Er-Name, eh?  Ah, yes - JACINTA THE GREAT!

Get everyone working four days @ 9.5 hours.... and you can't 'discriminate' by DEMANDING that one who works Mon-Thur be paid less than one who works Fri-Mon.... or that one who works Fri-Mon be paid more for the same hours worked...

There, My Lord - THERE is your enemy!  Inside every politician hides an Adolph Stalin or a Jozep Hitler.... and the peasants will do their bidding....

(hello!!)   Cool  (nailed it in one, Grappler)...."


What a win-win for business, getting rid of penalty rates and ensuring seven days a week all in one - thus effectively reducing average pay per week -must have been a good donation in there somewhere... or is it St Jacinta The Terminally Naive?

NEVER trust a politician bearing gifts.

There are many thought bubbles going around at the moment, all released by politicians...
Interestingly both Ardern and Palaszczuk have elections
later this year.
Of course by then decisions will be made in order to win
the elections...nothing to do with health, the virus, or anything else....
And who knows, both may struggle to win....
But I suppose nothing really changes, does it......


I wonder how much the voters will remember come election time.  Nu Zulland has a long history of being economically down for the ordinary people, regardless of its produce etc - this just looks like another 'let's make the wage earners competitive' nonsense.

Someone said that the Libs (etc) were obvious wolves, but Labor especially in its new guise(s), was a wolf in sheep's clothing.  The WW II Diggers knew that when Labor politicians promised to do something about wharfies etc slowing down supplies, while being paid huge wages while the Diggers got by on a few shillings... one of those diggers said you could expect nothing better from politicians living off the fattest in the land.

On another note - so much for women bringing any 'new perspectives' to the political table - sure they do - more of the same old venality and self-interest and sell-out of the voter.   ::)

I'm afraid St Jacinta has serious feet of clay.

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