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Title: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by whiteknight on Nov 8th, 2019 at 6:00am
$19.49 per hour :-?
What is the current national minimum wage? The national minimum wage is currently $19.49 per hour or $740.80 per 38 hour week (before tax). Casual employees covered by the national minimum wage also get at least a 25% casual loading. |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by aquascoot on Nov 8th, 2019 at 6:22am
Highest national minimum wage in the world
Businesses have a duty to their shareholders to maximize profits This is a legal duty Why cannot have businesses breaking the law by employing overpaid workers in Australia It is a moral and indeed legal obligation of businesses to shift as much work as possible too grateful efficient and more economic foreign workers It is also a moral obligation of business leaders to push for as many 457 visa holders can be given work As Greg constantly points out we must not break the law |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Nov 8th, 2019 at 6:23am
Isnt it a different minimum per industry and job?
This country you need more money to pay rent than anywhere else i expect Spot |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by aquascoot on Nov 8th, 2019 at 6:42am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 6:23am:
And why is that do you suppose could it be that houses are very expensive to build in Australia Could that be because the workers who build them The truck drivers who deliver the goods to the building site The public servants that approved the plans The guys to connect to the NBN and the electricity and the water are all on the highest wages in the world If everybody building a house is on the world's highest wages You are going to construct the world's most expensive house and then you are going to have to charge the world's highest rents to cover the cost So white night is going to see the cost of houses and the rents become even more exorbitant It's important that you attack white night for this sort of reprehensible behaviour |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 8th, 2019 at 6:55am aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 6:42am:
What the bugger are you talking about? What reprehensible behaviour? All he's doing is telling us what the minimum wage is. He's not asking for it to be raised. Do you actually read posts before you comment on them? He's providing us with important information, and you're telling everyone that he should be attacked for it. MODS? :-/ |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by aquascoot on Nov 8th, 2019 at 8:15am
Spot is pointing out quite rightly the housing is becoming unaffordable in Australia
If we are able to lower the national minimum wage It will become much cheaper to construct housing The young people will be able to afford mortgages And the homeless people will be housed It is a national emergency to provide affordable housing for our citizens It is important that white night and yourself recognised this and a lobby for a lowering of the national minimum wage Will you join myself and the other noble businessman in this quest |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by whiteknight on Nov 8th, 2019 at 8:21am
No. :(
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Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 8th, 2019 at 8:22am aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 8:15am:
So why did you say: "It's important that you attack white night for this sort of reprehensible behaviour"? |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by aquascoot on Nov 8th, 2019 at 8:34am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 8:22am:
It is important that we attack these ideas We would never advocate violence against white night White night and Gregory merely need to be re educated to see the error of their ways A higher minimum wage makes everything more expensive and then the poor citizens at the bottom suffer terribly When the minimum wage is too high for food processors then the poor citizens at the bottom cannot afford to eat When the minimum wage is too high for bus drivers then the poor citizens of the bottom cannot afford to travel It is paradoxical that it is myself who is being a champion for the poor and downtrodden White Knight and yourself need to reflect on the fact that you are doing the oppressing of our poor citizens You should reflect on this minimum wage argument for about 5 years |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 8th, 2019 at 8:40am aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 8:34am:
Whiteknight merely reported on what the minimum wage currently is. At no stage did he, or I, say that it should be increased. Yet, you say he should be "attacked for this sort of reprehensible behaviour". What the bugger is wrong with you? Seriously. |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by aquascoot on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:10am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 8:40am:
I must apologise in that situation if white night is calling for the minimum wage to be reduced to a more sensible level of say $15 an hour And this will certainly lower the cost of living White night Congratulations on your call for the national minimum wage to be reduced to a sensible level |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by juliar on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:21am
Geez the chronically silly old Blackday geezer is really worried about his Newstart being underpaid.
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Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by whiteknight on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:26am
I am not calling for the national minimum wage to be reduced. What I am calling for is an end to wage theft. :(
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Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by Bam on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:28am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 6:23am:
Anyone who whines about the high minimum wage and wants to lower it should also expect average rents to fall by the same percentage. Nobody can afford rent of $350 a week with a $500-a-week minimum wage without living in abject poverty. No, we do not need more millions of working poor. Rents will have to fall, housing prices will follow, and this will bring on an economic downturn, maybe even a recession. |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:31am aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 6:22am:
Not paying the minimum wage is breaking the law you smacking idiot....But it is revealing to see that the typical Coalition scum bag thinks is important to maximize the profits of foreign Multi Nationals whilst driving down wages and conditions in Australia to support profit over people....Let Aqua's bullshit rant be a warning to anyone stupid enough to vote for the Coalition....These new free (workers) trade deals are undermining our wages and conditions with the blessing of the Coalition and it's supporters....You have been warned!!! ::) ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:31am whiteknight wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:26am:
All we ask is that employers obey the law. aquascoot, however, says that those who break the law are heroes. |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by Bam on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:33am whiteknight wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:26am:
Too right. It's ridiculous that it takes years for underpayment to be remedied. If the system was working right, court action could be undertaken after 90 days, and a court order obtained to seize the property of the business as payment. Businesses are surprisingly quick to pay their bills when the moving van is in the carpark with the sheriff and security guards and the business's assets are being carted out the door to be sold at auction. It is especially satisfying to do this to a bank. |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by aquascoot on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:53am philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:31am:
If we wish to grow the pie so that all Australians can prosper then it is vital that our courageous business people are encouraged to start businesses and create wealth and employment Certainly speaking to a colleague who recently relocated his business to China He is extraordinarily happy with the attitude of the workers there He actually had a crane onsite And the crane operator I was so grateful to have a job that he would not vacate the crane on the weekends and his family would come and visit him at the crane and they would send up articles of food and he would send down his washing to be done The sheer commitment and enthusiasm of such a workforce inspires the businessman to forge forward and create wealth which all can share Unfortunately this dream seems dead in Australia It is the job of all Nobel capitalists to try to resuscitate the dying corps of Australian business It is probably too late but we must at least try |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:00am aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:53am:
No point in having wealth if you can't spend time at home with your family. 'Success' is being able to spend quality time with family and friends, doing the things you love. It's not shitting in a bucket and lowering it down a rope so your kids can empty it. |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by aquascoot on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:06am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:00am:
Your attitude is fine for the fat lazy comfortable neutered Tom cat that just wants to sit on the couch and relax. The Asians to the north have a fire in the belly and are raised buy tiger parents and are determined to become strong powerful dynamic and influential My guess is that the Tiger is going to eat the Tom cat The tiger is certainly going to dispossess the Tomcat of his comfortable place on the couch |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:11am aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:53am:
So reducing the minimum wages and conditions of Australian workers to third world standards is creating wealth that can be shared....Your statement is contradictory mate....The only wealth that is shared (trickle down economics is Capitalist bullshit) is through Corporate greed and self interest that go to share holders and vested interests....If you do not like Australian's having a decent wage move to China you self serving ass hole!!! :-? :-? :-? |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:15am philperth2010 wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:11am:
[smiley=thumbsup.gif] I'll chip in for his airfare. |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by Carl D on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:38am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:15am:
Me too. Actually, weren't we going to chip in to send juliar to China about 6 months ago? Maybe we can now get a two for one deal? 8-) |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by minarchist on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:51am aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 6:42am:
I think you'll find the the cost to construct new houses hasn't changed greatly over time. When you compare our house prices to other cities in other OECD nations you can conclude that it's mostly due to speculation. People who hate Keating because he gave us "the recession we had to have" don't understand the situation Australia faced at the end of the 1980's. The Debt to GDP ration had reached 160%, in spite of the high interest rates at the time. Keating allowed the recession to happen even though he personally didn't want it to occur because he knew it would ultimately be better for Australia in the long run as it would rid the system of bad debts. It set the country up for the longest period of economic growth that any nation has experienced. In saying that, we saw the Debt to GDP ration reach similar levels at the beginning of the GFC. Rather than let the country slide into a recession to clear the system of bad debt, Rudd and Swan instead initiated policies that prolonged the economy long enough to come out of the GFC unscathed, which only resulted in property prices rising further. This is why I'm not a fan of Swan - he should've let the nation go into a recession that had to occur sooner or later and the best time would've been during a period when almost every nation at the time had slid into one. The LNP shouldn't go without being held accountable as they've been in power for more than 6 years, which is plenty of time to enact policies to deflate the property bubble gradually and prevent it from happening again in the future. The country needs to go back to a situation where the average person can go to the outer suburbs of the major cities and buy a decent home for $300 - 400K in today's prices before wages can adjust to a level that are internationally competitive. |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by crocodile on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:54am minarchist wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:51am:
That's not right. Just prior to the early 90s recession private debt was just under 80% of GDP and public debt around 20%. |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by aquascoot on Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:31pm Carl D wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:38am:
glad to go and vibe with awesomeness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=---g-f_I2yQ |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by crocodile on Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:41pm aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:31pm:
With an ecomy of around $13 trillion and a population of 1.2 billion that's about $10.8k per capita. Enjoy the awesomeness. |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:48pm aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:31pm:
https://www.google.com/flights?lite=0#flt=/m/06y57./m/01914.2019-11-11;c:AUD;e:1;sd:1;t:f;tt:o |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by aquascoot on Nov 8th, 2019 at 1:12pm crocodile wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:41pm:
We will see how that plays out in a few decades time ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by crocodile on Nov 8th, 2019 at 1:23pm aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 1:12pm:
I'll be pushing up daisies by then. Anything could happen. The Mongol empire was quite large a few centuries ago. |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by aquascoot on Nov 8th, 2019 at 1:40pm
Croc I thought you were smarter than that.
You should brush up on " one belt one road " China is building 3 super fast rail networks to Northern Europe. Central Europe thru turkey and thru Pakistan to the sea. They are the biggest infrastructure players in Ethiopia, Kenya and Nigeria. The Sudan and Pakistan. They recently opened 52 factories in Kenya. They just completed their 10,000 rail trip to London. Though of a similar population to India, they are building infrastructure at 12x the rate. They are constructing a city the size of Perth every fortnight as they urbanise. They are building a super grid to power all if Asia and Africa. It would appear the USA is in deep trouble. It's school system is falling apart. China has more engineers at university then the USA had engineers. It connects 50000 people to the power grid every day. It connects 50000 people to running water every day. With the use of CRISPA gene splicing, it will soon be able to produce enhanced humans with higher IQ and other skills. There is NO REASON whatsoever for Aussie workers to tell themselves a BS story that their labour is worth 5 x that of a Chinese worker. If Aussies want iPhones made in china, then we accept global markets and we MUST accept global benchmarking for wages. Accept it or it will be enforced upon you eventually. The current crop of entitled fools like gweg and knight think they can live 5x above their value because, because,..... Well just because. Guess what, that is a game that is coming to an end very soon my friend. And you as an economist need to recognise that and the population needs to prepare. |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by juliar on Nov 8th, 2019 at 2:06pm
What a trashy thread about nothing - but then that is the crotchety old BlackDay to a tee - much ado about nothing.
Wonder when the silly old coot will start raving about Penalty Rates again ? He used to be obsessed with them. Probably waiting for the unions or GetUp! to provide a prepared thingo for him to parrot as another waste of space. |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by aquascoot on Nov 8th, 2019 at 2:29pm
they need to go read my china thread and stop pretending they can live beyond their means
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Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by juliar on Nov 8th, 2019 at 2:44pm
About crockery is it ?
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Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by aquascoot on Nov 8th, 2019 at 3:02pm juliar wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 2:44pm:
ah juliar, maintaining a sense of humour. the noble rightard can always have a joke whilst the PC leftie is stifled and frustrated kudos |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by Valkie on Nov 9th, 2019 at 6:10am aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 6:22am:
Perhaps. But we pay more than twice as much for everything we buy. So when that little gem is factored in, it's not all tgat great is it ? |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by aquascoot on Nov 9th, 2019 at 6:37am Valkie wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 6:10am:
but white knight and greg dont seem to realise that if you keep raising wages, you are just going to keep raising costs. if you give that barrista 50 an hr on sunday , a coffee might be 7 bucks. pay him 15 an hr and it might be 2. then more tourists come. then you can fleece those chinese tourists of their cash rather then have them say "nope, we'll save our cash up and buy all your farms" |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by whiteknight on Nov 9th, 2019 at 6:44am
Stop trying to cut low income workers wages. Also restore the penalty rates, back to what they were. :(
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Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Nov 9th, 2019 at 7:53am aquascoot wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 6:37am:
Prices never go down. The bosses would just pocket the savings Spot |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by Dnarever on Nov 9th, 2019 at 12:56pm whiteknight wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 6:00am:
Min wage is $8.95 How can $19 be the minimum when it is legal to pay much less ? |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by juliar on Nov 10th, 2019 at 1:56pm
Not enough?? Too much??? Depends on which side you are on and if you have ASIAN companies breathing down your neck.
But if you are on Newstart then who cares ? |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by Dnarever on Nov 10th, 2019 at 5:19pm
The argument that we need to compete with third world pay rates holds no water.
I do not see these companies that compete with the third world mirroring third world management wages ? |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by Dnarever on Nov 10th, 2019 at 5:21pm juliar wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 1:56pm:
Newstart about $5 an hour ? People should care. |
Title: Re: Whats The Current National Minimum Wage? Post by crocodile on Nov 10th, 2019 at 5:29pm aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
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