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Message started by Brian Ross on Aug 7th, 2019 at 5:32pm

Title: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 7th, 2019 at 5:32pm
No request to base US missiles near Darwin, defence minister says   ::)

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by UnSubRocky on Aug 8th, 2019 at 2:36am
US missiles in Darwin? Say goodbye to Darwin.

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:35pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 2:36am:
US missiles in Darwin? Say goodbye to Darwin.


First up, why station them in Darwin?  Who is a threat to Australia to the point where we need IRBM to counter them?  Isn't there anywhere else, closer to their intended target(s)?

Second question. whats in it for us to make us a target for who ever hates the US to the point they would target Australia?

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Mr Hammer on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 2:36am:
US missiles in Darwin? Say goodbye to Darwin.


First up, why station them in Darwin?  Who is a threat to Australia to the point where we need IRBM to counter them?  Isn't there anywhere else, closer to their intended target(s)?

Second question. whats in it for us to make us a target for who ever hates the US to the point they would target Australia?

Would you want them moved to the east coast so  we can get a clean shot at China? Don't loads of people live on the east coast? Secondly we have to maintain I alliance with the US. So that means sometimes we have to bend over and take it up the jacksie.

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:08pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 2:36am:
US missiles in Darwin? Say goodbye to Darwin.


First up, why station them in Darwin?  Who is a threat to Australia to the point where we need IRBM to counter them?  Isn't there anywhere else, closer to their intended target(s)?

Second question. whats in it for us to make us a target for who ever hates the US to the point they would target Australia?

Would you want them moved to the east coast so  we can get a clean shot at China? Don't loads of people live on the east coast? Secondly we have to maintain I alliance with the US. So that means sometimes we have to bend over and take it up the jacksie.


I don't want them on Australian soil at all, Hammer.  If our defence relationship is so important to the US, then we should get something in return for host their IRBMs.  What are they going to pay/give us?  Do you know?

Oh, and your attitude is rather interesting.  Tell me, would Washington be willing to allow say, Hawaii to host Australian missiles?  I somehow doubt it...   ::)

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Bobby. on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:11pm
dear Brian,
we do what Uncle Sam tells us.

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by UnSubRocky on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 2:36am:
US missiles in Darwin? Say goodbye to Darwin.


First up, why station them in Darwin?  Who is a threat to Australia to the point where we need IRBM to counter them?  Isn't there anywhere else, closer to their intended target(s)?

Second question. whats in it for us to make us a target for who ever hates the US to the point they would target Australia?


You put up the question "US Missiles in Darwin?". I made the sardonic response that we could say goodbye to Darwin -- implicit that Darwin would be a military target.

The first question has been answered partially in the first paragraph. However, I would assume that you mean "in the Darwin region". Much as I consider Shoalwater Bay to be "in the Rockhampton region". The threat to Australia happens to be any country that is an enemy to the United States.

The answer to the second question is Australia is already a target of potential attack because of the alliance of Australia and the United States. Look to the history where Darwin was attacked because of the US navy being anchored in the port of Darwin. If the enemy of the United States wanted to put a dent into the American's military capability, taking out an outpost in the southwest Pacific region would be very helpful. Not that there are not more strategic places that the enemies of the United States could target first.

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:11pm:
dear Brian,
we do what Uncle Sam tells us.


So, basically, Bobby, you're saying we are a client state of the United States and subject to the will of Washington?

Mmm, an interesting idea.  I wonder who the lawyers would make of that.  Afterall, we have had the example of New Zealand, now haven't we?  They asserted their authority.  Why can't we?   ::)

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:52pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 2:36am:
US missiles in Darwin? Say goodbye to Darwin.


First up, why station them in Darwin?  Who is a threat to Australia to the point where we need IRBM to counter them?  Isn't there anywhere else, closer to their intended target(s)?

Second question. whats in it for us to make us a target for who ever hates the US to the point they would target Australia?


You put up the question "US Missiles in Darwin?". I made the sardonic response that we could say goodbye to Darwin -- implicit that Darwin would be a military target.

The first question has been answered partially in the first paragraph. However, I would assume that you mean "in the Darwin region". Much as I consider Shoalwater Bay to be "in the Rockhampton region". The threat to Australia happens to be any country that is an enemy to the United States.

The answer to the second question is Australia is already a target of potential attack because of the alliance of Australia and the United States. Look to the history where Darwin was attacked because of the US navy being anchored in the port of Darwin. If the enemy of the United States wanted to put a dent into the American's military capability, taking out an outpost in the southwest Pacific region would be very helpful. Not that there are not more strategic places that the enemies of the United States could target first.


Well. there was actually other reasons why the Japanese attacked Darwin Harbour in 1942, Unsub.   It was a secondary fleet base which backed up Singapore and had several hundred thousand gallons of fuel oil and several thousand rounds of ammunition for ship's guns.  The Japanese felt they were more of a target than a single US freighter or even a US criuser..

Now, we are allied to the US but what value is that alliance?  It appears to be far more valuable to Washington than it is to us.   We have been involved in Vietnam, Somalia, East Timor because of our alliance with the US.  We have lost many Australian sons, fathers, brothers and what have we gained in return?  Cheaper weapons?  We have seen our requests for US aid in four disputes/conflicts we have been involved in (West New Guinea, Kondfrontasi, East Timor I and East Timor II), denied.   Yet it appears our presence in US conflicts is essential (Vietnam, Somalia, Gulf War I, Afghanistan, Gulf War II) to the success of the US effort - diplomatically and militarily.

Personally, I believe we have sold our blood too cheaply.   Our Prime Minister should hesitate a little longer before he picks up the phone to take the call from el Presidente.  Lets make them wait for change and see if they are willing to increase their bid for our support.

As for being a target for any US enemy, well yes and no.  Only the PRC has missiles with the range to reach Australia but why would they bother, unless there were targets here worth attacking, such as US IRBMs?   Afterall, we are more than willing to sell them whatever they desire.


Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Frank on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 2:36am:
US missiles in Darwin? Say goodbye to Darwin.


First up, why station them in Darwin?  Who is a threat to Australia to the point where we need IRBM to counter them?  Isn't there anywhere else, closer to their intended target(s)?

Second question. whats in it for us to make us a target for who ever hates the US to the point they would target Australia?

Would you want them moved to the east coast so  we can get a clean shot at China? Don't loads of people live on the east coast? Secondly we have to maintain I alliance with the US. So that means sometimes we have to bend over and take it up the jacksie.


I don't want them on Australian soil at all, Hammer.  If our defence relationship is so important to the US, then we should get something in return for host their IRBMs.  What are they going to pay/give us?  Do you know?

Oh, and your attitude is rather interesting.  Tell me, would Washington be willing to allow say, Hawaii to host Australian missiles?  I somehow doubt it...   ::)

What is Hawaii close to that is a threat to Australia, eyewareringly idiotic Bwian?

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Bobby. on Aug 8th, 2019 at 9:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:11pm:
dear Brian,
we do what Uncle Sam tells us.


So, basically, Bobby, you're saying we are a client state of the United States and subject to the will of Washington?

Mmm, an interesting idea.  I wonder who the lawyers would make of that.  Afterall, we have had the example of New Zealand, now haven't we?  They asserted their authority.  Why can't we?   ::)



It's called the nuclear umbrella - check it out.

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 8th, 2019 at 9:08pm

Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 2:36am:
US missiles in Darwin? Say goodbye to Darwin.


First up, why station them in Darwin?  Who is a threat to Australia to the point where we need IRBM to counter them?  Isn't there anywhere else, closer to their intended target(s)?

Second question. whats in it for us to make us a target for who ever hates the US to the point they would target Australia?

Would you want them moved to the east coast so  we can get a clean shot at China? Don't loads of people live on the east coast? Secondly we have to maintain I alliance with the US. So that means sometimes we have to bend over and take it up the jacksie.


I don't want them on Australian soil at all, Hammer.  If our defence relationship is so important to the US, then we should get something in return for host their IRBMs.  What are they going to pay/give us?  Do you know?

Oh, and your attitude is rather interesting.  Tell me, would Washington be willing to allow say, Hawaii to host Australian missiles?  I somehow doubt it...   ::)

What is Hawaii close to that is a threat to Australia, eyewareringly idiotic Bwian?


What is a threat to Australia that Darwin is close to, Soren?   ::)

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Bias_2012 on Aug 8th, 2019 at 10:38pm
If there was no request to install missiles in Darwin, then why was the subject even brought up? Is someone testing the water?

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:49pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
If there was no request to install missiles in Darwin, then why was the subject even brought up? Is someone testing the water?


An interesting question.  Might it be the Government itself as a way of demonstrating that it is not quite as beholden to Washington as many claim?

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Mr Hammer on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
If there was no request to install missiles in Darwin, then why was the subject even brought up? Is someone testing the water?


An interesting question.  Might it be the Government itself as a way of demonstrating that it is not quite as beholden to Washington as many claim?

China shouldn't be whinging about increased tensions between our countries when it's getting it's claws into countries very close to us. Namely Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. Imagine if China sets up bases in these countries? It's on the cards.

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Bobby. on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:25pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
If there was no request to install missiles in Darwin, then why was the subject even brought up? Is someone testing the water?


An interesting question.  Might it be the Government itself as a way of demonstrating that it is not quite as beholden to Washington as many claim?

China shouldn't be whinging about increased tensions between our countries when it's getting it's claws into countries very close to us. Namely Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. Imagine if China sets up bases in these countries? It's on the cards.



Correct - you can't trust the Chinese.

We raised a tiger that has now grown up & will bite us.

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:35pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
If there was no request to install missiles in Darwin, then why was the subject even brought up? Is someone testing the water?


An interesting question.  Might it be the Government itself as a way of demonstrating that it is not quite as beholden to Washington as many claim?

China shouldn't be whinging about increased tensions between our countries when it's getting it's claws into countries very close to us. Namely Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. Imagine if China sets up bases in these countries? It's on the cards.


In your Sinophobic imagination perhaps, Hammer.  China does not build bases overseas very much.  It has one in Bangladesgh, one in Myanmar, another in Pakistan and minor ones in the Indian Ocean.   Hardly the stance of a country intent on world domination. 



Now compare that to how many the US has around the world...


Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Mr Hammer on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
If there was no request to install missiles in Darwin, then why was the subject even brought up? Is someone testing the water?


An interesting question.  Might it be the Government itself as a way of demonstrating that it is not quite as beholden to Washington as many claim?

China shouldn't be whinging about increased tensions between our countries when it's getting it's claws into countries very close to us. Namely Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. Imagine if China sets up bases in these countries? It's on the cards.



Correct - you can't trust the Chinese.

We raised a tiger that has now grown up & will bite us.

The Chinese are  building this massive undersea communications line for PNG Bob. They put together these massive public works all around the world so they gain influence in  craphole countries. Australia has no chance of matching this to gain back influence in PNG. But little does PNG know there is a payback. China banged on about imperialism for years and now it has become imperialist. Chinese bases are going to end up a few hundred kms off the Australian mainland.

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Mr Hammer on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
If there was no request to install missiles in Darwin, then why was the subject even brought up? Is someone testing the water?


An interesting question.  Might it be the Government itself as a way of demonstrating that it is not quite as beholden to Washington as many claim?

China shouldn't be whinging about increased tensions between our countries when it's getting it's claws into countries very close to us. Namely Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. Imagine if China sets up bases in these countries? It's on the cards.


In your Sinophobic imagination perhaps, Hammer.  China does not build bases overseas very much.  It has one in Bangladesgh, one in Myanmar, another in Pakistan and minor ones in the Indian Ocean.   Hardly the stance of a country intent on world domination. 



Now compare that to how many the US has around the world...


What about the ones they have built and are building in international waters via sand dredging? Those ones that are not very far away from Australia?

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 9th, 2019 at 3:18pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
If there was no request to install missiles in Darwin, then why was the subject even brought up? Is someone testing the water?


An interesting question.  Might it be the Government itself as a way of demonstrating that it is not quite as beholden to Washington as many claim?

China shouldn't be whinging about increased tensions between our countries when it's getting it's claws into countries very close to us. Namely Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. Imagine if China sets up bases in these countries? It's on the cards.


In your Sinophobic imagination perhaps, Hammer.  China does not build bases overseas very much.  It has one in Bangladesgh, one in Myanmar, another in Pakistan and minor ones in the Indian Ocean.   Hardly the stance of a country intent on world domination. 



Now compare that to how many the US has around the world...


What about the ones they have built and are building in international waters via sand dredging? Those ones that are not very far away from Australia?


over the South China Sea is over 3,500 km from Darwin.  Hardly what one would call "close", Hammer...  Unless of course you're a Sinophile...

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Mr Hammer on Aug 9th, 2019 at 3:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 3:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
If there was no request to install missiles in Darwin, then why was the subject even brought up? Is someone testing the water?


An interesting question.  Might it be the Government itself as a way of demonstrating that it is not quite as beholden to Washington as many claim?

China shouldn't be whinging about increased tensions between our countries when it's getting it's claws into countries very close to us. Namely Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. Imagine if China sets up bases in these countries? It's on the cards.


In your Sinophobic imagination perhaps, Hammer.  China does not build bases overseas very much.  It has one in Bangladesgh, one in Myanmar, another in Pakistan and minor ones in the Indian Ocean.   Hardly the stance of a country intent on world domination. 



Now compare that to how many the US has around the world...


What about the ones they have built and are building in international waters via sand dredging? Those ones that are not very far away from Australia?


over the South China Sea is over 3,500 km from Darwin.  Hardly what one would call "close", Hammer...  Unless of course you're a Sinophile...

You better look it up Brian. Here's a article for you-

Nine News

PM warns China not to consider building naval base in the South Pacific

By Chris Uhlmann • Nine Network Political Editor
4:19pm Apr 10, 2018

The Prime Minister has warned China not to consider building military bases on South Pacific Islands.
"The maintenance of peace and stability in the Pacific is of utmost importance to Australia," Malcolm Turnbull said.
"We would view with great concern the establishment of any foreign military bases in those Pacific Island countries and neighbours of ours."

It comes after a Fairfax Media report which said that there have been early discussions between the Chinese and Vanuatu governments about a military build-up in the island nation.
The Prime Minister said Vanuatu has assured Australia than no approach had been made.

But 9NEWS has confirmed that the Australian Defence Force is aware that China has sounded out Vanuatu about increasing its military engagement.
A senior defence official said China "has certainly expressed its interest" in a greater military presence to the government of the tiny South Pacific nation.


Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 9th, 2019 at 5:13pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 3:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
If there was no request to install missiles in Darwin, then why was the subject even brought up? Is someone testing the water?


An interesting question.  Might it be the Government itself as a way of demonstrating that it is not quite as beholden to Washington as many claim?

China shouldn't be whinging about increased tensions between our countries when it's getting it's claws into countries very close to us. Namely Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. Imagine if China sets up bases in these countries? It's on the cards.


In your Sinophobic imagination perhaps, Hammer.  China does not build bases overseas very much.  It has one in Bangladesgh, one in Myanmar, another in Pakistan and minor ones in the Indian Ocean.   Hardly the stance of a country intent on world domination. 



Now compare that to how many the US has around the world...


What about the ones they have built and are building in international waters via sand dredging? Those ones that are not very far away from Australia?


over the South China Sea is over 3,500 km from Darwin.  Hardly what one would call "close", Hammer...  Unless of course you're a Sinophile...

You better look it up Brian. Here's a article for you-

Nine News

PM warns China not to consider building naval base in the South Pacific

By Chris Uhlmann • Nine Network Political Editor
4:19pm Apr 10, 2018

The Prime Minister has warned China not to consider building military bases on South Pacific Islands.
"The maintenance of peace and stability in the Pacific is of utmost importance to Australia," Malcolm Turnbull said.
"We would view with great concern the establishment of any foreign military bases in those Pacific Island countries and neighbours of ours."

It comes after a Fairfax Media report which said that there have been early discussions between the Chinese and Vanuatu governments about a military build-up in the island nation.
The Prime Minister said Vanuatu has assured Australia than no approach had been made.

But 9NEWS has confirmed that the Australian Defence Force is aware that China has sounded out Vanuatu about increasing its military engagement.
A senior defence official said China "has certainly expressed its interest" in a greater military presence to the government of the tiny South Pacific nation.


ScoMo can say what he likes.  He is trying to shore up his position domestically by "looking tough."  As long as his Government doesn't pay up, the Oceania countries are going to look elsewhere for the compensation they feel they deserve for climate change.   China is not likely to build bases here.  As I have shown, they have the fraction of the number of bases that the US has and their closest ones are over 3,500 km from Darwin.   Until you have prove otherwise, you and ScoMo are just whistling dixies, Hammer.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Mr Hammer on Aug 9th, 2019 at 5:19pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 5:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 3:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
If there was no request to install missiles in Darwin, then why was the subject even brought up? Is someone testing the water?


An interesting question.  Might it be the Government itself as a way of demonstrating that it is not quite as beholden to Washington as many claim?

China shouldn't be whinging about increased tensions between our countries when it's getting it's claws into countries very close to us. Namely Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. Imagine if China sets up bases in these countries? It's on the cards.


In your Sinophobic imagination perhaps, Hammer.  China does not build bases overseas very much.  It has one in Bangladesgh, one in Myanmar, another in Pakistan and minor ones in the Indian Ocean.   Hardly the stance of a country intent on world domination. 



Now compare that to how many the US has around the world...


What about the ones they have built and are building in international waters via sand dredging? Those ones that are not very far away from Australia?


over the South China Sea is over 3,500 km from Darwin.  Hardly what one would call "close", Hammer...  Unless of course you're a Sinophile...

You better look it up Brian. Here's a article for you-

Nine News

PM warns China not to consider building naval base in the South Pacific

By Chris Uhlmann • Nine Network Political Editor
4:19pm Apr 10, 2018

The Prime Minister has warned China not to consider building military bases on South Pacific Islands.
"The maintenance of peace and stability in the Pacific is of utmost importance to Australia," Malcolm Turnbull said.
"We would view with great concern the establishment of any foreign military bases in those Pacific Island countries and neighbours of ours."

It comes after a Fairfax Media report which said that there have been early discussions between the Chinese and Vanuatu governments about a military build-up in the island nation.
The Prime Minister said Vanuatu has assured Australia than no approach had been made.

But 9NEWS has confirmed that the Australian Defence Force is aware that China has sounded out Vanuatu about increasing its military engagement.
A senior defence official said China "has certainly expressed its interest" in a greater military presence to the government of the tiny South Pacific nation.


ScoMo can say what he likes.  He is trying to shore up his position domestically by "looking tough."  As long as his Government doesn't pay up, the Oceania countries are going to look elsewhere for the compensation they feel they deserve for climate change.   China is not likely to build bases here.  As I have shown, they have the fraction of the number of bases that the US has and their closest ones are over 3,500 km from Darwin.   Until you have prove otherwise, you and ScoMo are just whistling dixies, Hammer.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

The article features Turdball's reaction  you silly old fart.

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Frank on Aug 9th, 2019 at 6:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 9:08pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 2:36am:
US missiles in Darwin? Say goodbye to Darwin.


First up, why station them in Darwin?  Who is a threat to Australia to the point where we need IRBM to counter them?  Isn't there anywhere else, closer to their intended target(s)?

Second question. whats in it for us to make us a target for who ever hates the US to the point they would target Australia?

Would you want them moved to the east coast so  we can get a clean shot at China? Don't loads of people live on the east coast? Secondly we have to maintain I alliance with the US. So that means sometimes we have to bend over and take it up the jacksie.


I don't want them on Australian soil at all, Hammer.  If our defence relationship is so important to the US, then we should get something in return for host their IRBMs.  What are they going to pay/give us?  Do you know?

Oh, and your attitude is rather interesting.  Tell me, would Washington be willing to allow say, Hawaii to host Australian missiles?  I somehow doubt it...   ::)

What is Hawaii close to that is a threat to Australia, eyewareringly idiotic Bwian?


What is a threat to Australia that Darwin is close to, Soren?   ::)

Asia

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by .JaSin. on Aug 9th, 2019 at 7:14pm
This shows Australians serving both USA & UK 'Unionist' needs - even if they are in other parts of the world.

The day Australia becomes a Republic is the day it becomes part of the Anglo-Saxon Global Empire of Politics where the United Nation's is but its shadow.

Every 'non-Western' nation will let rip into Australia!

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 9th, 2019 at 8:28pm

Frank wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 6:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 9:08pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 2:36am:
US missiles in Darwin? Say goodbye to Darwin.


First up, why station them in Darwin?  Who is a threat to Australia to the point where we need IRBM to counter them?  Isn't there anywhere else, closer to their intended target(s)?

Second question. whats in it for us to make us a target for who ever hates the US to the point they would target Australia?

Would you want them moved to the east coast so  we can get a clean shot at China? Don't loads of people live on the east coast? Secondly we have to maintain I alliance with the US. So that means sometimes we have to bend over and take it up the jacksie.


I don't want them on Australian soil at all, Hammer.  If our defence relationship is so important to the US, then we should get something in return for host their IRBMs.  What are they going to pay/give us?  Do you know?

Oh, and your attitude is rather interesting.  Tell me, would Washington be willing to allow say, Hawaii to host Australian missiles?  I somehow doubt it...   ::)

What is Hawaii close to that is a threat to Australia, eyewareringly idiotic Bwian?


What is a threat to Australia that Darwin is close to, Soren?   ::)

Asia



Ah, yes, the ol' Yellow Peril scare, hey, Soren?   ::) ::)

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 9th, 2019 at 8:29pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 5:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 5:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 3:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 2:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 10:38pm:
If there was no request to install missiles in Darwin, then why was the subject even brought up? Is someone testing the water?


An interesting question.  Might it be the Government itself as a way of demonstrating that it is not quite as beholden to Washington as many claim?

China shouldn't be whinging about increased tensions between our countries when it's getting it's claws into countries very close to us. Namely Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. Imagine if China sets up bases in these countries? It's on the cards.


In your Sinophobic imagination perhaps, Hammer.  China does not build bases overseas very much.  It has one in Bangladesgh, one in Myanmar, another in Pakistan and minor ones in the Indian Ocean.   Hardly the stance of a country intent on world domination. 



Now compare that to how many the US has around the world...


What about the ones they have built and are building in international waters via sand dredging? Those ones that are not very far away from Australia?


over the South China Sea is over 3,500 km from Darwin.  Hardly what one would call "close", Hammer...  Unless of course you're a Sinophile...

You better look it up Brian. Here's a article for you-

Nine News

PM warns China not to consider building naval base in the South Pacific

By Chris Uhlmann • Nine Network Political Editor
4:19pm Apr 10, 2018

The Prime Minister has warned China not to consider building military bases on South Pacific Islands.
"The maintenance of peace and stability in the Pacific is of utmost importance to Australia," Malcolm Turnbull said.
"We would view with great concern the establishment of any foreign military bases in those Pacific Island countries and neighbours of ours."

It comes after a Fairfax Media report which said that there have been early discussions between the Chinese and Vanuatu governments about a military build-up in the island nation.
The Prime Minister said Vanuatu has assured Australia than no approach had been made.

But 9NEWS has confirmed that the Australian Defence Force is aware that China has sounded out Vanuatu about increasing its military engagement.
A senior defence official said China "has certainly expressed its interest" in a greater military presence to the government of the tiny South Pacific nation.


ScoMo can say what he likes.  He is trying to shore up his position domestically by "looking tough."  As long as his Government doesn't pay up, the Oceania countries are going to look elsewhere for the compensation they feel they deserve for climate change.   China is not likely to build bases here.  As I have shown, they have the fraction of the number of bases that the US has and their closest ones are over 3,500 km from Darwin.   Until you have prove otherwise, you and ScoMo are just whistling dixies, Hammer.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

The article features Turdball's reaction  you silly old fart.


Turnball, ScoMo, what's the difference, Hammer?  They're both Tory idiots.   ::)

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Frank on Aug 9th, 2019 at 9:12pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 8:28pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 6:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 9:08pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 2:36am:
US missiles in Darwin? Say goodbye to Darwin.


First up, why station them in Darwin?  Who is a threat to Australia to the point where we need IRBM to counter them?  Isn't there anywhere else, closer to their intended target(s)?

Second question. whats in it for us to make us a target for who ever hates the US to the point they would target Australia?

Would you want them moved to the east coast so  we can get a clean shot at China? Don't loads of people live on the east coast? Secondly we have to maintain I alliance with the US. So that means sometimes we have to bend over and take it up the jacksie.


I don't want them on Australian soil at all, Hammer.  If our defence relationship is so important to the US, then we should get something in return for host their IRBMs.  What are they going to pay/give us?  Do you know?

Oh, and your attitude is rather interesting.  Tell me, would Washington be willing to allow say, Hawaii to host Australian missiles?  I somehow doubt it...   ::)

What is Hawaii close to that is a threat to Australia, eyewareringly idiotic Bwian?


What is a threat to Australia that Darwin is close to, Soren?   ::)

Asia



Ah, yes, the ol' Yellow Peril scare, hey, Soren?   ::) ::)

Isn't Asia the closest threat to Darwin, you sad stupid clown?

What IS closer to Darwin than Asia, pustule?

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by rhino on Aug 9th, 2019 at 10:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 8:28pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 6:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 9:08pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 2:36am:
US missiles in Darwin? Say goodbye to Darwin.


First up, why station them in Darwin?  Who is a threat to Australia to the point where we need IRBM to counter them?  Isn't there anywhere else, closer to their intended target(s)?

Second question. whats in it for us to make us a target for who ever hates the US to the point they would target Australia?

Would you want them moved to the east coast so  we can get a clean shot at China? Don't loads of people live on the east coast? Secondly we have to maintain I alliance with the US. So that means sometimes we have to bend over and take it up the jacksie.


I don't want them on Australian soil at all, Hammer.  If our defence relationship is so important to the US, then we should get something in return for host their IRBMs.  What are they going to pay/give us?  Do you know?

Oh, and your attitude is rather interesting.  Tell me, would Washington be willing to allow say, Hawaii to host Australian missiles?  I somehow doubt it...   ::)

What is Hawaii close to that is a threat to Australia, eyewareringly idiotic Bwian?


What is a threat to Australia that Darwin is close to, Soren?   ::)

Asia



Ah, yes, the ol' Yellow Peril scare, hey, Soren?   ::) ::)
You may remember the Indos had to be kicked out of TimTim  Brian.

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 10th, 2019 at 2:40pm

rhino wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 10:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 8:28pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 6:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 9:08pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 5:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 2:36am:
US missiles in Darwin? Say goodbye to Darwin.


First up, why station them in Darwin?  Who is a threat to Australia to the point where we need IRBM to counter them?  Isn't there anywhere else, closer to their intended target(s)?

Second question. whats in it for us to make us a target for who ever hates the US to the point they would target Australia?

Would you want them moved to the east coast so  we can get a clean shot at China? Don't loads of people live on the east coast? Secondly we have to maintain I alliance with the US. So that means sometimes we have to bend over and take it up the jacksie.


I don't want them on Australian soil at all, Hammer.  If our defence relationship is so important to the US, then we should get something in return for host their IRBMs.  What are they going to pay/give us?  Do you know?

Oh, and your attitude is rather interesting.  Tell me, would Washington be willing to allow say, Hawaii to host Australian missiles?  I somehow doubt it...   ::)

What is Hawaii close to that is a threat to Australia, eyewareringly idiotic Bwian?


What is a threat to Australia that Darwin is close to, Soren?   ::)

Asia


Ah, yes, the ol' Yellow Peril scare, hey, Soren?   ::) ::)
You may remember the Indos had to be kicked out of TimTim  Brian.


Actually, they chose to leave.  No one kicked anybody out at all.  I suggest you read up on INTERFET to find out the truth...   ::)

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Captain Nemo on Aug 11th, 2019 at 11:34am
Australia is already a target because of Pine Gap and the Omega stations ... but having intermediate range US missiles actually based on our soil?  ::)

A bridge too far? Just silly, pointless, useless and provocative toward the Chinese.

Leave 'em out.


Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 11th, 2019 at 4:28pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 11:34am:
Australia is already a target because of Pine Gap and the Omega stations ... but having intermediate range US missiles actually based on our soil?  ::)

A bridge too far? Just silly, pointless, useless and provocative toward the Chinese.

Leave 'em out.


We haven't had an Omege system in Australia since 2015, Monk.   Why would they target a system that is no longer used and has been replaced by GPS?

Pine Gap is a potential target, I agree and has been since it's establishment just as Geraldton in WA is.  Both are important SIGINT stations.

The basing of US missiles would gain us little and hazard us a lot IMO.



Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by .JaSin. on Aug 11th, 2019 at 9:06pm
Darwin's non-military, non-political population are leaving Darwin in droves.
They say they don't want to be around to see a good example of Darwinism at work.

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Captain Nemo on Aug 20th, 2019 at 1:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 4:28pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 11:34am:
Australia is already a target because of Pine Gap and the Omega stations ... but having intermediate range US missiles actually based on our soil?  ::)

A bridge too far? Just silly, pointless, useless and provocative toward the Chinese.

Leave 'em out.


We haven't had an Omege system in Australia since 2015, Monk.   Why would they target a system that is no longer used and has been replaced by GPS?

Pine Gap is a potential target, I agree and has been since it's establishment just as Geraldton in WA is.  Both are important SIGINT stations.

The basing of US missiles would gain us little and hazard us a lot IMO.


Oh?

I thought the Omega radio stations were still alive and well.

One is located fairly close to me in Sale Victoria is up for sale (pardon the pun).  ;D

Live and learn.



Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 20th, 2019 at 1:25pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 1:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 4:28pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 11:34am:
Australia is already a target because of Pine Gap and the Omega stations ... but having intermediate range US missiles actually based on our soil?  ::)

A bridge too far? Just silly, pointless, useless and provocative toward the Chinese.

Leave 'em out.


We haven't had an Omege system in Australia since 2015, Monk.   Why would they target a system that is no longer used and has been replaced by GPS?

Pine Gap is a potential target, I agree and has been since it's establishment just as Geraldton in WA is.  Both are important SIGINT stations.

The basing of US missiles would gain us little and hazard us a lot IMO.


Oh?

I thought the Omega radio stations were still alive and well.

One is located fairly close to me in Sale Victoria is up for sale (pardon the pun).  ;D

Live and learn.


Indeed.  Australia's tallest man-made structure, the Omega tower, demolished in Gippsland

Before it was built Omega had become primarily a civilian air navigation system.  The US Navy had stopped using it in the late 1970s and early 1980s.  I wonder why the Chinese would target a system their own aircraft use?

Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Captain Nemo on Aug 20th, 2019 at 4:26pm
I had always thought that those communication towers were used for some "magical" system of communicating to submerged US subs.

I never did understand how that could work ... something to do with ultra low frequency transmissions? ... anyhow, I guess it did work back in the day.

I wonder what nifty new system they use now and ... where is that system based?


Title: Re: US Missiles in Darwin?
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 20th, 2019 at 4:37pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 4:26pm:
I had always thought that those communication towers were used for some "magical" system of communicating to submerged US subs.

I never did understand how that could work ... something to do with ultra low frequency transmissions? ... anyhow, I guess it did work back in the day.

I wonder what nifty new system they use now and ... where is that system based?


Omega used VLF. It was primarily a navigation system initially for Submarines to fix their position to allow them to more accurately target their objectives, thousands of miles away (any navigation problem is one of two positions, your own and where you are going).  Omega however was replaced quite rapidly by GPS in the mid-1980s.

For communications with submarines you require ULF - Ultra Low Frequency radio, which can penetrate the ocean.  Australia has one set for ULF - at NW Cape - which is an ex-US Navy system.  The US Navy rather than relying on ground stations now uses airborne stations on aircraft.  As a consequence they basically abandoned the Harold E. Holt communications base and handed it over to the RAN. 

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