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I think this must be why Gandalf objects so strongly to me starting new threads with 'quote bombs'. It's not because he likes to blame non-Muslims for bombs. It's because having the same discussion multiple times in one thread is not good enough for him. He likes to then repeat that across multiple, preferably unrelated threads.

I blame Islam.

You?

Same.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 11:54am:

Same.

And what do you think of someone who denies denying genocide?

Not only does Gandalf deny that Muhammad committed genocide, he repeatedly, and despite pages of discussion, denied that I had even addressed the topic of genocide denial among Muslims. Not being satisfied with this level of absurdity, he took it one step further and denied that he had denied that I had addressed the topic.

freediver wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 12:12pm:

Not only does Gandalf deny that Muhammad committed genocide, he repeatedly, and despite pages of discussion, denied that I had even addressed the topic of genocide denial among Muslims. Not being satisfied with this level of absurdity, he took it one step further and denied that he had denied that I had addressed the topic.

Yes, but you're denying G denied his denial, right? G's denying your denial that he denied his denial.

What, exactly, is being denied here?

freediver wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 12:12pm:

Not only does Gandalf deny that Muhammad committed genocide, he repeatedly, and despite pages of discussion, denied that I had even addressed the topic of genocide denial among Muslims.

You didn't, you haven't.

I asked you repeatedly to explain why non-gandalf muslims who deny the genocide must necessarily still support the genocide anyway.

You couldn't, and still can't come up with anything relevant to that actual question - and instead just inanely repeat your completely irrelevant explanation of how gandalf thinks. You have never once explained how that is in any way relevant to what non-gandalf muslim genocide deniers think like I keep asking.

Are you keeping up FD?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 1:33pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 21st, 2019 at 12:12pm: Not only does Gandalf deny that Muhammad committed genocide, he repeatedly, and despite pages of discussion, denied that I had even addressed the topic of genocide denial among Muslims. You didn't, you haven't. I asked you repeatedly to explain why non-gandalf muslims who deny the genocide must necessarily still support the genocide anyway.

It's not their definition - necessarily self-serving and arse-covering -that really matters.

I know you resist to see the world through non-Muslim eyes but the Muslim way of seeing is not the best and truest. Especially when it comes to judging Mohammedan atrocities, of which there is a fantastically long and bloody catalogue.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 1:33pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 21st, 2019 at 12:12pm: Not only does Gandalf deny that Muhammad committed genocide, he repeatedly, and despite pages of discussion, denied that I had even addressed the topic of genocide denial among Muslims. You didn't, you haven't. I asked you repeatedly to explain why non-gandalf muslims who deny the genocide must necessarily still support the genocide anyway. You couldn't, and still can't come up with anything relevant to that actual question - and instead just inanely repeat your completely irrelevant explanation of how gandalf thinks. You have never once explained how that is in any way relevant to what non-gandalf muslim genocide deniers think like I keep asking. Are you keeping up FD?

I'm using a calculator, and all I can work out is if we subtract one denial, you and FD end up agreeing.

It's enough to make anyone want to jump on a flying donkey and take off for Jerusalem, denying the denial or denying the denying of the denial, or worse still denying the denying of the denying of the denial, it's all getting confusing, no wonder the men squat to pee.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 1:33pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 21st, 2019 at 12:12pm: Not only does Gandalf deny that Muhammad committed genocide, he repeatedly, and despite pages of discussion, denied that I had even addressed the topic of genocide denial among Muslims. You didn't, you haven't. I asked you repeatedly to explain why non-gandalf muslims who deny the genocide must necessarily still support the genocide anyway. You couldn't, and still can't come up with anything relevant to that actual question - and instead just inanely repeat your completely irrelevant explanation of how gandalf thinks. You have never once explained how that is in any way relevant to what non-gandalf muslim genocide deniers think like I keep asking. Are you keeping up FD?

They deny the genocide to excuse Mohammed.

No critical reflection, no thinking accommodating and adjusting to the unfolding of history. Mohammed in Mohammedan eyes must be defended in all circumstances because he was the best of Muslims.


Had Mohammed reached Australia and enslaved or slaughtered the Aborigines  - which he most assuredly would have done - you would be twisting and turning to explain that it was the Abos' own fault for not converting.

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 6:56pm:

They deny the genocide to excuse Mohammed. No critical reflection, no thinking accommodating and adjusting to the unfolding of history. Mohammed in Mohammedan eyes must be defended in all circumstances because he was the best of Muslims.

Even you would understand that this is not the same as being required to support something they don't even believe he did.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2019 at 11:22pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 6:56pm: They deny the genocide to excuse Mohammed. No critical reflection, no thinking accommodating and adjusting to the unfolding of history. Mohammed in Mohammedan eyes must be defended in all circumstances because he was the best of Muslims. Even you would understand that this is not the same as being required to support something they don't even believe he did.

Many of them choose to voluntarily. It only becomes a requirement when they face job loss, beheading etc for apostasy.

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2019 at 9:06am:

Many of them choose to voluntarily.

Such as?

Oh thats right - "because... gandalf" - and thats definitely the only 'proof' you'll ever need.

A single anecdote magically becomes "many of them".

Thats rock solid justification for asserting that every single muslim on earth supports genocide if ever I've seen it.

When the day comes that the Jews are being so exhaustively beaten that they are hiding behind rocks and trees and the rocks and trees are going to call out to the muzzies to come and kill these hiding Jews.

Will that be Genocide?