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Message started by whiteknight on Jun 18th, 2019 at 2:08pm

Title: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by whiteknight on Jun 18th, 2019 at 2:08pm
Treasurer rejects Labor's tax cut demands

Jun 18, 2019
Nine News

Josh Frydenberg insists low and middle-income earners will be the ultimate winners from the federal government's promised tax cuts.
This comes as the treasurer refuses to tell Labor exactly how much of the coalition's $158 billion package will benefit people earning more than $180,000.
"The lower and middle income earners are the winners," Mr Frydenberg told ABC TV from Washington on Tuesday.
"The numbers are clearly set out in the budget."
The budget didn't contain the analysis by income group that Labor is seeking.
But Mr Frydenberg says the coalition is distributing exactly the kind of details Labor did when it last ran the country.
"What we've done is entirely consistent with the Labor Party's approach when they were in government and made some tax changes," he told ABC Radio National.


The coalition needs Labor or at least four crossbenchers to support the full three-stage tax plan to get it through the Senate when parliament resumes next month.
Labor supports the first stage of the plan, which will mean extra cash for low and middle income-earners.
But it believes the later stage, aimed at flattening the tax rates by mid-2024, shouldn't be legislated years in advance and may be skewed toward the wealthy.
The coalition has ruled out splitting up the plan, arguing the final stage brings much-needed structural reform.
Mr Frydenberg says it's time for Labor to accept the mandate Australians handed the government to roll out the tax plan when it re-elected the coalition on May 18.
"The Australian people voted for lower taxes, not Labor's higher taxes and redistribution agenda," he said.
Senior Labor frontbencher Tanya Plibersek says the government does not have a mandate to legislate tax cuts five years in advance while the economy faces pressures from all directions.
"You get a mandate for a term, you don't get a mandate for eternity because you win one election," she told ABC Radio National.
"They're asking us to pass a package where they won't give us details about the distributional analysis of who benefits from the later stages of this tax package.
"And they're asking us to make commitments now for tax cuts that come in in not just one election's time but two elections time."
One Nation leader Pauline Hanson, who directs two Senate votes, has said she won't back the plan because major infrastructure spending would be a better way to stimulate the economy.
Centre Alliance, which also has two votes, remains on the fence, amid concerns the extra cash for workers could be lost to rising power costs.
The minor party's senator Rex Patrick met Finance Minister Mathias Cormann to discuss the tax package on Monday.
Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry boss James Pearson is among those urging the parliament to get the cuts across the line.
A new survey has also found strength among manufacturing firms declined a little in the three months to June.
"It all points to the need to strengthen the economy and improve business conditions for the manufacturing sector and business generally," Mr Pearson said.
"It has become even more important the new parliament pass the government's tax package in its first sitting in July to stimulate consumer spending.

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by whiteknight on Jun 18th, 2019 at 2:11pm
Senior Labor frontbencher Tanya Plibersek says the government does not have a mandate to legislate tax cuts five years in advance while the economy faces pressures from all directions.   :(

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by lee on Jun 18th, 2019 at 2:56pm
And yet government are free to spend taxes five years in advance. That is what they do in a budget. ;)

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Sir lastnail on Jun 18th, 2019 at 3:07pm
A lame duck government already. No wonder scumo has been MIA since the election. What a scammer he is :(

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Captain Nemo on Jun 18th, 2019 at 4:22pm
I'll tell you who has no mandate: The ALP.

They LOST the *unlosable* election.  ;)

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by whiteknight on Jun 18th, 2019 at 5:26pm
Thank heavens for the good people in the senate.   :)

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Valkie on Jun 18th, 2019 at 6:38pm
Any excuse

Liberal don't want the tax cuts, it would hurt the bottom line

Labour don't want the tax cuts, they want to punish us for not voting them in.

Independents don't want the tax cuts, because they are all pricks.

So

We won't get any tax cuts,.....simple

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Dnarever on Jun 18th, 2019 at 7:46pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 4:22pm:
I'll tell you who has no mandate: The ALP.

They LOST the *unlosable* election.  ;)


Nice to hear it but nobody is claiming that Labor have a mandate. That means that there is no point to making the claim ?

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Dnarever on Jun 18th, 2019 at 7:48pm
Tax cuts from a deficit budget is spending money that we don't have.

About the stupidest thing you can do.

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Bam on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:08pm

Quote:
The coalition has ruled out splitting up the plan, arguing the final stage brings much-needed structural reform.

A regressive tax and wealth redistribution system is "much-needed"? Really?

A typical household on $200,000 a year receives more in government handouts per year than a household reliant on income support. Will all this wealthfare largesse be cut to pay for these tax cuts?

Some of the wealthfare that would need to be cut to pay for it:
* Private health insurance rebate
* Share imputation
* Negative gearing
* Tax-free retirement income

Australia CANNOT afford to carry the rich anymore!

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by John Smith on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:12pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 4:22pm:
I'll tell you who has no mandate: The ALP.

They LOST the *unlosable* election.  ;)



pretty sure they're not the one claiming a mandate :D :D

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by aquascoot on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:36pm
its a noble act for a government to give out tax cuts.
canberra is addicted to our money like fat steve is addicted to cheeseburgers and coca cola

when steve makes the noble statement that he will get by with less, that he will restrain his greedy appetite, i think he deserves a pat on the back.

for scott to say that his government will be less glutinous then previous governments deserves our respect and our applause.

way to go scott.

you are an inspiration to all those fat carb bloated entitled lazy chodes.


Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by John Smith on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:38pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
canberra is addicted to our money like fat steve is addicted to cheeseburgers and coca cola



fat steve is the one who keeps asking for tax cuts horseboy  :D :D :D

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Dnarever on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:51pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
its a noble act for a government to give out tax cuts.
canberra is addicted to our money like fat steve is addicted to cheeseburgers and coca cola

when steve makes the noble statement that he will get by with less, that he will restrain his greedy appetite, i think he deserves a pat on the back.

for scott to say that his government will be less glutinous then previous governments deserves our respect and our applause.

way to go scott.

you are an inspiration to all those fat carb bloated entitled lazy chodes.


Considering that they made a loss each of the 6 years they have been in office how do they pay for these tax cuts and how much additional debt will it cost us ?

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by aquascoot on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:55pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
canberra is addicted to our money like fat steve is addicted to cheeseburgers and coca cola



fat steve is the one who keeps asking for tax cuts horseboy  :D :D :D



The tax cuts are for our wonderful businesses .
Steve is on welfare or minimum wage and he will be going on a diet along with Canberra.

This should make him hungry and motivated ,rather the a well fed neutered Tom cat sitting on the sofa.
Scott is put the evolutionary blowtorch on Steve.
Steve will have to strive , persevere, go thru challenges, climb the mountain, push thru barriers, punch thru the wall.
Scott is providing extra motivation for Steve to " be all that he can be"
A noble act of tough love

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by aquascoot on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:58pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:51pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
its a noble act for a government to give out tax cuts.
canberra is addicted to our money like fat steve is addicted to cheeseburgers and coca cola

when steve makes the noble statement that he will get by with less, that he will restrain his greedy appetite, i think he deserves a pat on the back.

for scott to say that his government will be less glutinous then previous governments deserves our respect and our applause.

way to go scott.

you are an inspiration to all those fat carb bloated entitled lazy chodes.


Considering that they made a loss each of the 6 years they have been in office how do they pay for these tax cuts and how much additional debt will it cost us ?



None if we cut government services.
The weaning of the Australian chode is long overdue.
A 40 year old still sucking on canberras titties is an old infant,
That's an ugly thing.
An old baby.
That's creepy and repulsive

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by John Smith on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:00pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
The tax cuts are for our wonderful businesses .



rubbish ... ask the the conalition, they'll tell you that the tax cuts are for everyone

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by John Smith on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:01pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:58pm:
The weaning of the Australian chode is long overdue.



labor tried to do just that and still you didn't vote for them  :D :D :D

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by lee on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:14pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
labor tried to do just that and still you didn't vote for them 



yeah by trying to get pensioners dividend tax credits; before the backflip with pike. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by John Smith on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:16pm

lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
labor tried to do just that and still you didn't vote for them 



yeah by trying to get pensioners dividend tax credits; before the backflip with pike. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



there were no pensioner tax credit cuts to pensioners dopey ... that was amended long before the election.

a little slow aren't you?

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Dnarever on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:17pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:51pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
its a noble act for a government to give out tax cuts.
canberra is addicted to our money like fat steve is addicted to cheeseburgers and coca cola

when steve makes the noble statement that he will get by with less, that he will restrain his greedy appetite, i think he deserves a pat on the back.

for scott to say that his government will be less glutinous then previous governments deserves our respect and our applause.

way to go scott.

you are an inspiration to all those fat carb bloated entitled lazy chodes.


Considering that they made a loss each of the 6 years they have been in office how do they pay for these tax cuts and how much additional debt will it cost us ?



None if we cut government services.
The weaning of the Australian chode is long overdue.
A 40 year old still sucking on canberras titties is an old infant,
That's an ugly thing.
An old baby.
That's creepy and repulsive


Yep you nailed it:

Cut support for the poor the sick and the disabled  in order to give the most wealthy tax cuts they don't need.

And then when the senate reject the unfair cuts we are left with unfunded tax cuts which we repay in additional debt.

The same problem that has haunted this liberal government since the Abbott days, unfunded hand outs to the wealthy.

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by lee on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:21pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:16pm:
there were no pensioner tax credit cuts to pensioners dopey ..


That WAS the backflip ith the pike. ;D ;D ;D ;D


John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:16pm:
that was amended long before the election.


Because he realised he had stuffed up. It doesn't make the initial policy announcement a figment of imagination. ;D ;D ;D


John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:16pm:
a little slow aren't you?


Nope. You were the one pontificating and ignoring the original position he held. ;)

But perhaps it was a mere thought bubble on the back of a coaster. ;)

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by John Smith on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:27pm

lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:21pm:
That WAS the backflip ith the pike



it was an amendment ... that's one of the benefits of announcing policies early .. . it gives you time to change them depending on the feedback you get.


lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:21pm:
Because he realised he had stuffed up.


no, because he realised the extent of the opposition to it.


lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:21pm:
It doesn't make the initial policy announcement a figment of imagination.


no one said it did. ... apart from you I mean. It also doesn't make the original the policy taken to the election


lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:21pm:
Nope. You were the one pontificating and ignoring the original position he held


the topic being discussed was never the 'original policy'. That was just your imagination going stupid again. My comment was on horseboys vote. Unless it was by some sort of miracle I'm unaware off, I'm pretty sure Horseboy didn't vote when the original policy was announced.

Of course, if you have any evidence to the contrary I'm quite happy to amend my position.  But I'll need to see your evidence first :D :D :D

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Dnarever on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:32pm

lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:21pm:
Because he realised he had stuffed up.


You prefer the Libs method of stubbornly steaming ahead full speed with bad policy obviously ? They prefer to have the senate reject their failed unfair unreasonable legislation. Then go and cry about the nasty senate.

I would think that fixing errors would be a much better idea ?

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by lee on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:33pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:27pm:
it was an amendment ... that's one of the benefits of announcing policies early .. . it gives you time to change them depending on the feedback you get.


Keep telling yourself that. it was a stuffup, It was supposed to be w well thought out policy. It took about 2 weeks of quivering.


John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:27pm:
no, because he realised the extent of the opposition to it.



Isn't that what well thought out policy is supposed to prevent?


John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:27pm:
It also doesn't make the original the policy taken to the election


And I never said it did petal. ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Dnarever on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:35pm

lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:27pm:
it was an amendment ... that's one of the benefits of announcing policies early .. . it gives you time to change them depending on the feedback you get.


Keep telling yourself that. it was a stuffup, It was supposed to be w well thought out policy. It took about 2 weeks of quivering.


John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:27pm:
no, because he realised the extent of the opposition to it.



Isn't that what well thought out policy is supposed to prevent?


John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:27pm:
It also doesn't make the original the policy taken to the election


And I never said it did petal. ;D ;D ;D



Quote:
And I never said it did petal.


You sure make a big deal of the early draft while ignoring completely the final product.


Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Dnarever on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:47pm

Quote:
The lower and middle income earners are the winners," Mr Frydenberg told ABC TV from Washington on Tuesday.


Those earning over $30,000 get a 2.5 cent reduction.

Those earning over $90,000 get a 7.0 cent reduction

Those earning over $180,000 get a 15 cent reduction 

Josh says that the lower and middle are the winners, does he think that anyone is stupid enough to believe him ?

One arrogant pig that obviously believes that his supporters are stupid, the sad thing is that he is probably right.

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by lee on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:48pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:35pm:
You sure make a big deal of the early draft while ignoring completely the final product.


Oh so now it was only a draft policy? Should draft policies see the light of day? I would have thought they were for internal use only. Before a final policy was hammered out.

That Shorten should release a draft policy is mind numblingly dumb.

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by John Smith on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:48pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:47pm:
does he think that anyone is stupid enough to believe him ?



the last election proves they are.

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by John Smith on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:54pm

lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:33pm:
Keep telling yourself that. it was a stuffup, It was supposed to be w well thought out policy. It took about 2 weeks of quivering.


so now you're arguing it wasn't amended? that they took the original policy to the election? are you really that stupid?


lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:33pm:
Isn't that what well thought out policy is supposed to prevent?


what planet do you live on where policies are never amended?


lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:33pm:
And I never said it did petal


you implied it when you suggested that I ignored the original version. Why would anyone bother to mention the original version when we were discussing the policy he actually voted on?





Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Dnarever on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:55pm

lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:35pm:
You sure make a big deal of the early draft while ignoring completely the final product.


Oh so now it was only a draft policy? Should draft policies see the light of day? I would have thought they were for internal use only. Before a final policy was hammered out.

That Shorten should release a draft policy is mind numblingly dumb.


Well it sure wasn't the final product.

You seem to think it clever to pedantically argue about a position that was changed about 18 months before the election. It is fairly obvious that you have no valid point.

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by lee on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:59pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:54pm:
so now you're arguing it wasn't amended? that they took the original policy to the election? are you really that stupid?



You really took that from what I wrote? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D What did you NOT understand about a backflip with pike?


John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:54pm:
what planet do you live on where policies are never amended?


And nowhere did I say that either. But keep digging your little hole it will get bigger. ;D ;D ;D ;D


John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:54pm:
Why would anyone bother to mention the original version when we were discussing the policy he actually voted on?


You were arguing with me and I referred to the backflip with pike.  ;)

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by lee on Jun 18th, 2019 at 10:02pm
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Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Bam on Jun 20th, 2019 at 1:26pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:47pm:

Quote:
The lower and middle income earners are the winners," Mr Frydenberg told ABC TV from Washington on Tuesday.


Those earning over $30,000 get a 2.5 cent reduction.

Those earning over $90,000 get a 7.0 cent reduction

Those earning over $180,000 get a 15 cent reduction 

Josh says that the lower and middle are the winners, does he think that anyone is stupid enough to believe him ?

One arrogant pig that obviously believes that his supporters are stupid, the sad thing is that he is probably right.

And not a word from the Liberals about raising the tax-free threshold.

The last Liberal government that raised the tax-free threshold without increasing other taxes was the Fraser government.

People on incomes below $30,000 are the ones in most need of tax relief. Why are they the ones who get the least?

17 years of conservative government, and every year they take from the poor more and MORE and MORE!!! Not once in the last 35 years has a Liberal government given any tax relief to these real battlers.

And here's the thing - raising the tax-free threshold benefits EVERYONE who's above it.

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Rupertsford on Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:14pm
I’m not a big believer in “mandates” but two days prior to the election Bill Shorten claimed Labor would have a “moral authority” to implement their tax changes in the event they won the election.

Why does this standard not apply to the coalition who did win the election?

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Rupertsford on Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:17pm


Bam wrote on Jun 20th, 2019 at 1:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:47pm:

Quote:
The lower and middle income earners are the winners," Mr Frydenberg told ABC TV from Washington on Tuesday.


Those earning over $30,000 get a 2.5 cent reduction.

Those earning over $90,000 get a 7.0 cent reduction

Those earning over $180,000 get a 15 cent reduction 

Josh says that the lower and middle are the winners, does he think that anyone is stupid enough to believe him ?

One arrogant pig that obviously believes that his supporters are stupid, the sad thing is that he is probably right.

And not a word from the Liberals about raising the tax-free threshold.

The last Liberal government that raised the tax-free threshold without increasing other taxes was the Fraser government.

People on incomes below $30,000 are the ones in most need of tax relief. Why are they the ones who get the least?

17 years of conservative government, and every year they take from the poor more and MORE and MORE!!! Not once in the last 35 years has a Liberal government given any tax relief to these real battlers.

And here's the thing - raising the tax-free threshold benefits EVERYONE who's above it.


Someone earning $30,000 pays $2,142 in tax with an effective tax rate of 7.1%. How much less tax do you expect them to pay?

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Dnarever on Jun 26th, 2019 at 9:05pm

Quote:
Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts


Lucky that they don't need a mandate to breathe air.

Wouldn't make much difference to many of the Libs.

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Captain Nemo on Jun 27th, 2019 at 12:11am

Rupertsford wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
I’m not a big believer in “mandates” but two days prior to the election Bill Shorten claimed Labor would have a “moral authority” to implement their tax changes in the event they won the election.

Why does this standard not apply to the coalition who did win the election?


Well said Sir!

The hypocrisy of Labor is jaw droppingly shocking.  :o



Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Bam on Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:46am

Rupertsford wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
I’m not a big believer in “mandates” but two days prior to the election Bill Shorten claimed Labor would have a “moral authority” to implement their tax changes in the event they won the election.

Why does this standard not apply to the coalition who did win the election?

Their tax plans were not a central part of their campaign. Their other policies - what there were of them - hardly got mentioned at all. They mentioned Labor more often than they mentioned tax cuts. See Morrison's campaign launch speech for an example. All the Coalition really have a mandate for is not being Labor.

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Bam on Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:53am

Rupertsford wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:17pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 20th, 2019 at 1:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:47pm:

Quote:
The lower and middle income earners are the winners," Mr Frydenberg told ABC TV from Washington on Tuesday.


Those earning over $30,000 get a 2.5 cent reduction.

Those earning over $90,000 get a 7.0 cent reduction

Those earning over $180,000 get a 15 cent reduction 

Josh says that the lower and middle are the winners, does he think that anyone is stupid enough to believe him ?

One arrogant pig that obviously believes that his supporters are stupid, the sad thing is that he is probably right.

And not a word from the Liberals about raising the tax-free threshold.

The last Liberal government that raised the tax-free threshold without increasing other taxes was the Fraser government.

People on incomes below $30,000 are the ones in most need of tax relief. Why are they the ones who get the least?

17 years of conservative government, and every year they take from the poor more and MORE and MORE!!! Not once in the last 35 years has a Liberal government given any tax relief to these real battlers.

And here's the thing - raising the tax-free threshold benefits EVERYONE who's above it.


Someone earning $30,000 pays $2,142 in tax with an effective tax rate of 7.1%. How much less tax do you expect them to pay?

With an annual income nearly $10,000 a year below the minimum wage, they should not be paying any income tax. They already pay the GST. That is enough of a tax burden.

If paying no tax is good enough for a self-funded retiree with a few million dollars' worth of income-producing assets and a six-figure tax-free income, it's good enough for someone who has insufficient income to pay for the basics. Why tax the working poor? Nobody ever got taxed out of poverty.

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 27th, 2019 at 12:33pm
Once again - there is no absolute mandate for any government, as the Fascisti Howard tried to sell us way back now... before his personal Downfall... government, in an age where the people are sovereign, derives any mandate ONLY from the majority of the people on an ISSUE - not at the electoral voting booth with all its cunning manipulations...

It can be effectively argued that preferential voting dictates against any absolute mandate... since it is NOT the will of the people as sovereign pure and simple.....   8-)

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Captain Nemo on Jun 27th, 2019 at 12:39pm
The Senate is supposed to be a House of Review, not a House of Blocking.  ;)


Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Rupertsford on Jun 28th, 2019 at 8:15am

Bam wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:46am:

Rupertsford wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
I’m not a big believer in “mandates” but two days prior to the election Bill Shorten claimed Labor would have a “moral authority” to implement their tax changes in the event they won the election.

Why does this standard not apply to the coalition who did win the election?

Their tax plans were not a central part of their campaign. Their other policies - what there were of them - hardly got mentioned at all. They mentioned Labor more often than they mentioned tax cuts. See Morrison's campaign launch speech for an example. All the Coalition really have a mandate for is not being Labor.


We can all be glad the coalition is not Labor and the voters had the sense to seperate the two.

I hope Labor continue to block the tax cuts and the coalition cut a deal with the cross bench. This will further entrench Labor in the political wilderness - a party that has won majority government once in the last 9 elections.

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by cods on Jun 28th, 2019 at 8:31am

Bam wrote on Jun 20th, 2019 at 1:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:47pm:

Quote:
The lower and middle income earners are the winners," Mr Frydenberg told ABC TV from Washington on Tuesday.


Those earning over $30,000 get a 2.5 cent reduction.

Those earning over $90,000 get a 7.0 cent reduction

Those earning over $180,000 get a 15 cent reduction 

Josh says that the lower and middle are the winners, does he think that anyone is stupid enough to believe him ?

One arrogant pig that obviously believes that his supporters are stupid, the sad thing is that he is probably right.

And not a word from the Liberals about raising the tax-free threshold.

The last Liberal government that raised the tax-free threshold without increasing other taxes was the Fraser government.

People on incomes below $30,000 are the ones in most need of tax relief. Why are they the ones who get the least?

17 years of conservative government, and every year they take from the poor more and MORE and MORE!!! Not once in the last 35 years has a Liberal government given any tax relief to these real battlers.

And here's the thing - raising the tax-free threshold benefits EVERYONE who's above it.



I can remember we pensioners being allowed to earn so much a week without it affecting their income.. ::) I also remember getting utility payments twice a year  which was rather nice..labor took that away... ::) we do get the CPI  not great I agree but better than nothing... todays oldies have always had to live within their means no such thing as credit cards in our day....but the new generations are going to find life extremely tough going.....

but can we in all honesty keep relying on govts to support us....

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 28th, 2019 at 12:13pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 12:39pm:
The Senate is supposed to be a House of Review, not a House of Blocking.  ;)


Review is a nice word for retaining the ability to block... blocking is but part of its ammunition box .... adjustment is more the go ...

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by juliar on Jul 1st, 2019 at 8:59pm
While the uninformed Lefties flog the fictional GetUp! line ScoMo is close to getting his tax cuts over the line and won't he bash Labor round the ears with it for months then.



‘We’re close’: Action on gas prices to deliver PM $158 billion tax package
Samantha Maiden 11:01pm, Jun 30, 2019


Centre Alliance Senator Rex Patrick Photo: AAP


Centre Alliance is confident it has secured a deal with the Morrison government on a plan to bring down gas prices in exchange for voting for the $158 billion tax package.

The tax relief plan would deliver $1080 tax cuts for 10 million Australians now and legislate a 30 per cent top tax rate for 94 per cent of Australian workers from 2024.

As Parliament returns this week for the first time since the May 18 election, the entire tax package – including tax cuts for wealthier workers – could become law as early as Thursday.

While the crossbench senators are still describing the deal as “close” they concede it’s only a matter of detail now with the substances – including limits on gas exports – largely agreed.

Centre Alliance Senator Rex Patrick told The New Daily he was confident the tax cuts could be voted on this week.

The price of the agreement is a range of measures, including limits on future gas exports and greater transparency on existing deals.

“They were alive to the issue of gas prices. They will announce those over the next couple of months,” Senator Patrick said.

“(Resources Minister) Matt Canavan has already foreshadowed that the government is looking at a gas reservation policy. That would be prospective.

“I’ve talked about how you deal with current projects.

“We’re close.”

Read the cliff hanging rest which will fall onto Labor here

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/06/30/tax-cuts-july-2019/

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Captain Nemo on Jul 5th, 2019 at 12:04am

PM Scott Morrison is applauded by his backbench as the House adjourns after the government’s income tax package passed the Senate


Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 5th, 2019 at 12:17am

Rupertsford wrote on Jun 28th, 2019 at 8:15am:

Bam wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:46am:

Rupertsford wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
I’m not a big believer in “mandates” but two days prior to the election Bill Shorten claimed Labor would have a “moral authority” to implement their tax changes in the event they won the election.

Why does this standard not apply to the coalition who did win the election?

Their tax plans were not a central part of their campaign. Their other policies - what there were of them - hardly got mentioned at all. They mentioned Labor more often than they mentioned tax cuts. See Morrison's campaign launch speech for an example. All the Coalition really have a mandate for is not being Labor.


We can all be glad the coalition is not Labor and the voters had the sense to seperate the two.

I hope Labor continue to block the tax cuts and the coalition cut a deal with the cross bench. This will further entrench Labor in the political wilderness - a party that has won majority government once in the last 9 elections.


Your wishes have been granted

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 5th, 2019 at 12:18am

A total victory

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Captain Nemo on Jul 5th, 2019 at 12:21am
Yep, a massive victory for ScoMo.


The first stage looks like this:

The government's Low and Middle Income Tax Offset (LMITO) is the first part of its tax cut bill.





Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 5th, 2019 at 12:37am
I am thinking of all the voters who voted for the Libs for the first time in their life.
They had voted for the alp for decades, now for the first time voted LNP.

There are a lot of people that did this. I heard them on the talkback on the radio.
They ARE the quiet Australians.
Those people, I thought, it might be hard to get them back to voting ALP. Now they have jumped to 'the enemy'?

Now they have $500 --> $1000  in their hand because of their vote.
So, they voted the right way, didn't they?

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by whiteknight on Jul 5th, 2019 at 7:22am
The tax cuts have passed through both houses.  So now we wait to see what cuts Morrison and his mates will make, to claw some of it back.   :(

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Captain Nemo on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:02am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 12:37am:
I am thinking of all the voters who voted for the Libs for the first time in their life.
They had voted for the alp for decades, now for the first time voted LNP.

There are a lot of people that did this. I heard them on the talkback on the radio.
They ARE the quiet Australians.
Those people, I thought, it might be hard to get them back to voting ALP. Now they have jumped to 'the enemy'?

Now they have $500 --> $1000  in their hand because of their vote.
So, they voted the right way, didn't they?


I am one of those who voted Liberal for the first time in my life this year.

Voted Labor every time since the 1970s until this last election.

I voted to try to help to keep Bowen and Shorty out of office.

The Franking Credits retiree rip-off was the main driver for me.

Yes, if Labor can't come up with something good, and if they keep that stinker of a policy on Franking Credits on their books ... I just might vote Liberal next time too.

Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by Captain Nemo on Jul 5th, 2019 at 11:03am

whiteknight wrote on Jul 5th, 2019 at 7:22am:
The tax cuts have passed through both houses.  So now we wait to see what cuts Morrison and his mates will make, to claw some of it back.   :(


There will be a lot more money sloshing around in the real economy thanks to these changes.

Of course, the Government will enjoy an increase in the GST take, but along the way, business will benefit from the boost to consumption.   8-)

A big win for the Coalition and the country as a whole. The only losers are the Labor Party.



Title: Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Post by juliar on Jul 5th, 2019 at 12:04pm
The old union propaganda parrot BlackDay is squawking at the moon as the Libs have now got their tax cuts thru BOTH HOUSES by buying out Jacqui Lambie.

They don't have a mandate (isn't that sexist ?) then who cares as the voters told the Libs to get on with it when they put Labor in OPPOSITION for the next 20 years.

But the funny part is that when the Libs had scored a winner the stranded Laborites came crawling out of the undergrowth to plaintively bleat that they will support it.

Won't ScoMo beat them around the ears with this sad retreat for months now!!!!

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