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Glacier National Park Quietly Removes Its ‘Gone by 2020’ Signs Glaciers Appear to be Growing, not Melting in Recent Years By Roger I. Roots, J.D., Ph.D., Founder, Lysander Spooner University May 30, 2019. St. Mary, Montana. Officials at Glacier National Park (GNP) have begun quietly removing and altering signs and government literature which told visitors that the Park’s glaciers were all expected to disappear by either 2020 or 2030. In recent years the National Park Service prominently featured brochures, signs and films which boldly proclaimed that all glaciers at GNP were melting away rapidly. But now officials at GNP seem to be scrambling to hide or replace their previous hysterical claims while avoiding any notice to the public that the claims were inaccurate. Teams from Lysander Spooner University visiting the Park each September have noted that GNP’s most famous glaciers such as the Grinnell Glacier and the Jackson Glacier appear to have been growing—not shrinking—since about 2010. (The Jackson Glacier—easily seen from the Going-To-The-Sun Highway—may have grown as much as 25% or more over the past decade.) The centerpiece of the visitor center at St. Mary near the east boundary is a large three-dimensional diorama showing lights going out as the glaciers disappear. Visitors press a button to see the diorama lit up like a Christmas tree in 1850, then showing fewer and fewer lights until the diorama goes completely dark. As recently as September 2018 the diorama displayed a sign saying GNP’s glaciers were expected to disappear completely by 2020. Video of the diorama two years ago. But at some point during this past winter (as the visitor center was closed to the public), workers replaced the diorama’s ‘gone by 2020’ engraving with a new sign indicating the glaciers will disappear in “future generations.” Almost everywhere, the Park’s specific claims of impending glacier disappearance have been replaced with more nuanced messaging indicating that everyone agrees that the glaciers are melting. Some signs indicate that glacial melt is “accelerating.” A common trick used by the National Park Service at GNP is to display old black-and-white photos of glaciers from bygone years (say, “1922”) next to photos of the same glaciers taken in more recent years showing the glaciers much diminished (say, “2006”). Anyone familiar with glaciers in the northern Rockies knows that glaciers tend to grow for nine months each winter and melt for three months each summer. Thus, such photo displays without precise calendar dates may be highly deceptive. Last year the Park Service quietly removed its two large steel trash cans at the Many Glacier Hotel which depicted “before and after” engravings of the Grinnell Glacier in 1910 and 2009. The steel carvings indicated that the Glacier had shrunk significantly between the two dates. But a viral video published on Wattsupwiththat.com showed that the Grinnell Glacier appears to be slightly larger than in 2009. The ‘gone by 2020’ claims were repeated in the New York Times, National Geographic, and other international news sources. But no mainstream news outlet has done any meaningful reporting regarding the apparent stabilization and recovery of the glaciers in GNP over the past decade. Even local Montana news sources such as The Missoulian, Billings Gazette and Bozeman Daily Chronicle have remained utterly silent regarding this story. (Note that since September 2015 the author has offered to bet anyone $5,000 that GNP’s glaciers will still exist in 2030, in contradiction to the reported scientific consensus. To this day no one has taken me up on my offer. –R.R.)

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/06/glacier-national-park-quietly-removes-its-gone-by-2020-signs/?fbclid=IwAR1KFF-z0_dahE8dkpbVfp76AMPlrh1DKVcdRdjqrlwpSvR5T92v3FkyuOo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afa6mMMuZhg&t=8s

These lying bastards need to held to account for their fraud  >:(

I notice that the article doesn't actually say the Glaciers are getting bigger, just repeated claims they seem to be getting bigger......
Journalism at it's best..... :D

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 8^th, 2019 at 9:14am:

I notice that the article doesn't actually say the Glaciers are getting bigger, just repeated claims they seem to be getting bigger......

But better than seem to be getting smaller. ;)

The trouble is of course that glaciers are dynamic. They grow in winter shrink in summer.

So unless you have years of data from the same date all you can say is "they seem to be".

Photos unless timestamped are useless, and really they only came into there own with digital photographs.

Good post Mechanic,
it shows how the fake news has been exposed as a piece of concocted drivel.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 8^th, 2019 at 4:12pm:

Good post Mechanic, it shows how the fake news has been exposed as a piece of concocted drivel.

yes bobby that is a terrible example of Fake news if I ever saw one  :D

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 8^th, 2019 at 4:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 4:12pm: Good post Mechanic, it shows how the fake news has been exposed as a piece of concocted drivel. yes bobby that is a terrible example of Fake news if I ever saw one  :D

Fake predictions of glacier gone by 2020.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2qbvzhi.jpg

These photographs show two late-summer views of Grinnell Glacier in Glacier National Park
Top image 1940s
Bottom image 2006

http://i66.tinypic.com/r8t24m.jpg

Also from Glacier National Park
In particular take notice of how the size of the lake has expanded as the ice has retreated

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 9^th, 2019 at 11:21am:

These photographs show two late-summer views of Grinnell Glacier in Glacier National Park Top image 1940s Bottom image 2006

Notice there is no timestamp denoting time of year. ;)

lee wrote on Jun 9^th, 2019 at 12:12pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 9th, 2019 at 11:21am: These photographs show two late-summer views of Grinnell Glacier in Glacier National Park Top image 1940s Bottom image 2006 Notice there is no timestamp denoting time of year. ;)

How predictable. lee posting a lame irrelevant comeback.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 9^th, 2019 at 12:48pm:

How predictable. lee posting a lame irrelevant comeback.

Poor petal. Can't even admit the obvious.

Timing of when something dynamic happens is everything.

https://i.imgflip.com/330qg6.jpg

So their predictions where wrong on the timing , the article doesn't state if the Glacier is in fact overall shrinking (Lee don't let us down). If year over year it's growing they are wrong, if it's shrinking they where right just their timing stinks  ;)

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 10^th, 2019 at 7:57am:

So their predictions where wrong on the timing , the article doesn't state if the Glacier is in fact overall shrinking (Lee don't let us down). If year over year it's growing they are wrong, if it's shrinking they where right just their timing stinks  ;)

Um, Yeah.

That timing thing.

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The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 9^th, 2019 at 11:26am:

http://i66.tinypic.com/r8t24m.jpg Also from Glacier National Park In particular take notice of how the size of the lake has expanded as the ice has retreated

Wow. Photos showing glacier size is not static. Proof finally of..........nothing.

Surely out of the billions of dollars blown on this fraud you'd reckon someone might have taken another photo since 2009???

Rider wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2019 at 7:03am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 9th, 2019 at 11:26am: http://i66.tinypic.com/r8t24m.jpg Also from Glacier National Park In particular take notice of how the size of the lake has expanded as the ice has retreated Wow. Photos showing glacier size is not static. Proof finally of..........nothing. Surely out of the billions of dollars blown on this fraud you'd reckon someone might have taken another photo since 2009???

Rider, you are making yourself look foolish.

It is an undeniable fact that the vast majority of the worlds glaciers are in retreat and this is proof that the earth is warming.
You can stick your ideological head in the sand all you want.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2019 at 10:30am:

Rider wrote on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 7:03am: The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 9th, 2019 at 11:26am: http://i66.tinypic.com/r8t24m.jpg Also from Glacier National Park In particular take notice of how the size of the lake has expanded as the ice has retreated Wow. Photos showing glacier size is not static. Proof finally of..........nothing. Surely out of the billions of dollars blown on this fraud you'd reckon someone might have taken another photo since 2009??? Rider, you are making yourself look foolish. It is an undeniable fact that the vast majority of the worlds glaciers are in retreat and this is proof that the earth is warming. You can stick your ideological head in the sand all you want.

No. It is proof that some glaciers are retreating. End of.  You need to pull your head out of your ideological oriface.

Rider wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2019 at 11:56am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 10:30am: Rider wrote on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 7:03am: The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 9th, 2019 at 11:26am: http://i66.tinypic.com/r8t24m.jpg Also from Glacier National Park In particular take notice of how the size of the lake has expanded as the ice has retreated Wow. Photos showing glacier size is not static. Proof finally of..........nothing. Surely out of the billions of dollars blown on this fraud you'd reckon someone might have taken another photo since 2009??? Rider, you are making yourself look foolish. It is an undeniable fact that the vast majority of the worlds glaciers are in retreat and this is proof that the earth is warming. You can stick your ideological head in the sand all you want. No. It is proof that some glaciers are retreating. End of.  You need to pull your head out of your ideological oriface.

Since the early twentieth century, with few exceptions, glaciers around the world have been retreating at unprecedented rates.

https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/glaciers/questions/climate.html

From your reference -

"Glaciers preserve bits of atmosphere from thousands of years ago in these tiny air bubbles, or, deeper within the core, trapped within the ice itself. "

Thousands of years ago? They really must be slow moving glaciers. They keep telling us glaciers are moving faster because of the melt. I guess "faster" is really glacial in effect. ;)

But then again we know there is no such thing as a stable climate on earth. It started warming after the LIA. And they thought this wouldn't affect glaciers? ;)

lee wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2019 at 12:12pm:

But then again we know there is no such thing as a stable climate on earth. It started warming after the LIA. And they thought this wouldn't affect glaciers? ;)

Presumably "they" refers to people like Rider and Bobby who reject the fact that the earth is warming

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2019 at 12:41pm:

Presumably "they" refers to people like Rider and Bobby who reject the fact that the earth is warming

Or not. Is it still warming? Glaciers slowing and rebuilding, May US temps lowest third on record.

But I see NOAA now have a new improved temperature version globally.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2019 at 12:41pm:

lee wrote on Jun 23rd, 2019 at 12:12pm: But then again we know there is no such thing as a stable climate on earth. It started warming after the LIA. And they thought this wouldn't affect glaciers? ;) Presumably "they" refers to people like Rider and Bobby who reject the fact that the earth is warming

Not at all. Don't misrepresent what I said, stop the lies and your pathetic transparent feeble attempt to label me a .......wait for it....scary voice over man needed.....dim the lights........a climate denier....oooohhhhh noooooooooo.... I'm sure you won't however, it's all you got after all.

Of course it has warmed, that's what happens when you come out of an ice age.