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Wow.

I say this all the time. People and law only care about the perp. The victim...well.

Perp gets 2 years, the victim gets life.

This is indeed horrible. Whilst I do agree with euthanasia for terminal illness, extreme pain, and extreme of age, I am not sure about it for mental health.

I believe, that it is even more riskier to be open to abuse and foul play. People with mental health illness, can be easily manipulated, and their judgement is poor. So in Australia, she probably cant even consent to treatment, and would need a POA.

FFS...... where will this insanity end? 17 and can't even drink....

JESUS CHRIST!!

it's why they should never legalise euthanasia

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..........Noa Pothoven, 17, has been legally euthanised in the Netherlands, saying the pain she was dealing with after a childhood rape was “insufferable”.

Noa, from Arnhem, said in a social media post a day before her death last Sunday that she “breaths but no longer lives”...........

it was her life, her choice, her decision

Marla just pm'd me to say
"What's the girl's big hang-up? I was partying from my first period!"

Jokes aside. The girl felt precious. Her father probably consented to have some bills paid for his illegal activities.

So Western Medicine is consenting to help 'push' the Suicide off the bridge if it can't prevent them from doing it. Western Medicine hides away in it's Hospitals, when the real work is to be done 'out there' among the people.

I couldnt live with myself if I gave the ok to this..

at 17... :'( :'( the people creating this are the insane ones...

She got raped at 14. Commits suicide at 17.

All she needed was a good Lawyer to show her how to entrap men and financially assault them for millions $$$

The Rapists 'won' - thanks to the Medical Industry's 'helping hand' off the bridge.

Jasin wrote on Jun 5^th, 2019 at 11:03pm:

Darwin Effect?

Western 'medicine' has descended to the lowest in the world... under a social science sky ...

If it feels good - kill yourself with our assistance... FFS!!!!!!

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 5^th, 2019 at 10:52pm:

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it was her life, her choice, her decision

That's nice - is she now watching over us and seeing our reactions to her plight and making a difference?

FFS!!!!

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

it's why they should never legalise euthanasia

In your correct metier, 'smith', you are a worthy citizen of the world.. apart from that - my shorts are about ready for you to eat... you are a prick, first class, Mk I ... now GROW UP!

Get on the side of the angels - or leave!!

I'll be there on 13th June with your jar of olives ... until then - get a grip, man!!

Seems like a real waste of potential constructive life. Surely, she would get over even the most traumatic of experiences over time.

17 is still a 'kid', as is 19 years of age although retail likes to make them think they are young 'adults', like the legal age for sex in the USA.

I think Western Medicine has just 'murdered' that kid, nothing more than just trying to smother over with a pillow softly with the excuse 'legal euthanisation'.

It's obvious that the arrogant Medical system said "If we can't save her, no-one can - so might as well give her a push out of this world's door."

She could have been supported in finding her sanctuary, recovery and salvation via becoming an important undercover agent for the CIA and help shoot Terrorists with her as the 'bait'.

Jokes aside. The answer for Happiness from such darkness in the past, isn't always in Religion or Medicine. All that she needed was to be 'distracted' from her sad thoughts by a Butterfly. Did anyone take her for some surfing lessons? People like her don't just need medication and counselling from the Med Industry. They also need a 'new life' to escape into and begin again. Not locked up in a little room in a Hospital or in a centre where other such people are there - doing time as well.
She never got to experience Zero Gravity.
Well i hope she is now. :(

There's been an update

I've checked a few sites. Below is from the Guardian

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Dutch girl was not 'legally euthanised' and died at home

Noa Pothoven is believed to have refused to eat and there is no evidence of assisted death

The Levenseinde or “end-of-life” clinic in The Hague, which Noa contacted in 2017, said on Tuesday it could not comment for privacy reasons. But in order to “put an end to incorrect reporting (in foreign media in particular)”, it released a statement from Noa’s friends: “Noa Pothoven did not die of euthanasia. To stop her suffering, she stopped eating and drinking.”

Noa told De Gelderlander newspaper in an interview in December that she had approached the clinic the previous year to ask if she could be considered for euthanasia or assisted suicide, but was told she could not.
“They consider that I am too young to die,” she told the paper. “They think I should finish my trauma treatment and that my brain must first be fully grown. That lasts until your 21st birthday. It’s broken me, because I can’t wait that long.”

After repeated recent hospital stays, during one of which she was considered so dangerously underweight she was placed in an coma to allow her to be fed intravenously, Noa decided earlier this year she wanted no further treatment, the paper said.
A hospital bed was set up in her parents’ home and last week she refused all food and fluids. Her parents and doctors reportedly agreed not to force-feed her. Dutch medical guidelines stipulate that if a patient withholds their consent, “care providers may not provide treatment, nursing or care”.

LINK

Another source has this:

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Pothoven, however, was not euthanized as the stories claimed.

Euthanasia can be performed in the Netherlands one of two ways: a doctor can give the patient life-ending drugs to administer themselves, or a doctor can administer the drugs.

However, both the teen's Instagram account and Dutch media said she used her rights to stop eating and drinking and refuse medical treatment with the understanding of her parents and doctors that they would not try to force feed her.

Forced treatment 'degrading'
Pothoven had previously spoken with local newspaper De Gelderlanderof the "humiliating" and "degrading" experiences she had with involuntary procedures and being forced to see her mental health become a matter for local courts.

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Business Insider carries this, 6 hours ago:

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A 17-year-old Dutch rape victim who documented her trauma on Instagram starved herself to death after her parents and the government agreed not to intervene

A representative for Lisa Westerveld, a member of the Dutch parliament who was close to Pothoven, told the website Dutch News that "as far as we know, she died because she didn't eat any more."

In her book, Pothoven described being assaulted at a school party at 11, and again when she was 12. When she was 14, she wrote, she was raped by two men in Arnhem. She said she initially did not tell anyone what happened or go to the police, out of shame and fear.

Her teen years were blighted by anorexia, and she was in various institutions, including one where she was fed through a tube, according to De Gelderlander.

Eventually, her mother concluded that she would be best treated at a clinic that specializes in youth psychiatry, "where she can stay and where all her physical and mental problems are addressed," she told the newspaper. But no places were available.

"That's crazy," Pothoven told the Dutch paper. "If you have a serious heart disease, you can undergo surgery within a few weeks. But if you become acutely mentally ill, then they say casually, 'Unfortunately, we are full. Just go on the waiting list.' And you have to know that one in 10 anorexia patients in the Netherlands dies from the consequences of the eating disorder."

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She said in her final social media post on Saturday that she “breathes but no longer lives” after being sexually assaulted and raped three times, first when she was 11. These assaults had led her to develop post-traumatic stress disorder, depression and anorexia.

For years, Noa kept her trauma a secret.
Up until age 11, she had been a good student and a happy child. Then, seemingly overnight, Noa changed. She began to starve herself and her parents were totally in the dark as to why. They would not find out for years.

In November Noa’s autobiography Winning or Learning was published.

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According to the Dutch newspaper De Gelderlander, Noa's parents had no idea she was unwell until her mother discovered a plastic envelope in her room filled with farewell letters to her parents, friends and acquaintances.

'I was in shock,' Lisette told De Gelderlander. 'We didn't get it. Noa is sweet, beautiful, smart, social and always cheerful. How is it possible that she wants to die?
'We have never received a real answer. We just heard that her life was no longer meaningful. For only a year and a half have we known what secret she has carried with her over the years.'

LINK

Interesting ... so this whole story may have been a "beat-up"?

Who did it? Why?

Do I detect the faint smell of far right religious nutters at work trying to derail euthanasia? :(

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 5^th, 2019 at 10:52pm:

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it was her life, her choice, her decision

well, not me .
I am for voluntary euthanasia

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 5^th, 2019 at 11:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

it's why they should never legalise euthanasia

what the bugger are you on about now you idiot?

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2019 at 8:03pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 5^th, 2019 at 11:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 5^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

it's why they should never legalise euthanasia

what the bugger are you on about now you idiot?

Well he doesn't go on about 'buggering' like you do.
Another disgusting homo/pedo-erotic input from you just recently. You're as addicted to this stuff as Peckerhead & LTYC are. Whatever Ye Graps says is perfect sense to me, compared to anything you have to offer. Weirdo! ::)

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1559879841/5#5

"72 year old legally euthanised"

Nah, just kidding.

Wishful thinking.

AiA wrote on Jun 7^th, 2019 at 10:09pm:

the story isn't what it seems

Debunking the viral news story of a Dutch teenager being legally euthanised

https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/44754/1/debunking-viral-story-dutch-teenager-legal-euthanasia-noa-pothoven?fbclid=IwAR3BY_pVRTJ_qo6WlWHGHU6YRFtewinkY6bzfXw5J7LgWkriW_kqOYLW4Ms

I think the Amish have got it right. Nothing but crap comes out of the Media these days with the truth being a chip in an inflated bag of air (just like John Smith). The Shirefolk have what it takes to survive in an over-complicated world of the mentally stressed.

this is one of the saddest stories I have read in a long time..this child was so sad and no one could help her.

dying is a last resort not one to be made at 17.

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