I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”. Whether or not you believe in climate change is besides the point here, this is a clear reference to the term “holocaust denier”, to those idiots on the far-right who deny that the Holocaust ever happened, despite the clear verified documentation and evidence that it did.

To make matters even worse, the same people who use this term were also some of the ones who condemned Fraser Anning for using the term “final solution” in his speech about Muslims. What Anning said was indeed appalling and too should have been condemned, but the hypocrisy is staggering.

But continually paying lip service to it and not taking it serious or parroting crack pots on right winged websites is not doing your cause any justice. Bringing a lump of coal into parliament just says everything about how you lot are not serious in dealing with the issues :(

https://www.climatechangenews.com/files/2018/08/image-20170214-19635-12efun8.jpg

Sir lastnail wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:32pm:

Bringing a lump of coal into parliament just says everything about how you lot are not serious in dealing with the issues

So now coal is a pollutant? Or just a global warming lump of rock? Even when it is not burnt. ;D ;D ;D ;D

What issues petal have been proved to have been laid at the feet of carbon?

Sir lastnail wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:32pm:

But continually paying lip service to it and not taking it serious or parroting crack pots on right winged websites is not doing your cause any justice. Bringing a lump of coal into parliament just says everything about how you lot are not serious in dealing with the issues :( https://www.climatechangenews.com/files/2018/08/image-20170214-19635-12efun8.jpg

Of course, you deliberately or ignorantly miss the point. I a man not going to get into another debate about why I don’t believe in climate change. Nor am I am going to again get into what Australia could possibly do to combat it even if it were real.

The point and only point here is the left using this disgusting term and their hypocrisy in doing so.

matty wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:24pm:

I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”. Whether or not you believe in climate change is besides the point here, this is a clear reference to the term “holocaust denier”, to those idiots on the far-right who deny that the Holocaust ever happened, despite the clear verified documentation and evidence that it did. To make matters even worse, the same people who use this term were also some of the ones who condemned Fraser Anning for using the term “final solution” in his speech about Muslims. What Anning said was indeed appalling and too should have been condemned, but the hypocrisy is staggering.

You are wrong of course Matty
You are only linking the two concepts in your own bizarre mind.

The term "denier" refers to people who refuse to believe something even when presented with evidence.
The term can be, and is, used against lots of conspiracy theories.
It is also accurate to use against AGW deniers

The_Barnacle wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:47pm:

matty wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 3:24pm: I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”. Whether or not you believe in climate change is besides the point here, this is a clear reference to the term “holocaust denier”, to those idiots on the far-right who deny that the Holocaust ever happened, despite the clear verified documentation and evidence that it did. To make matters even worse, the same people who use this term were also some of the ones who condemned Fraser Anning for using the term “final solution” in his speech about Muslims. What Anning said was indeed appalling and too should have been condemned, but the hypocrisy is staggering. You are wrong of course Matty You are only linking the two concepts in your own bizarre mind. The term "denier" refers to people who refuse to believe something even when presented with evidence. The term can be, and is, used against lots of conspiracy theories. It is also accurate to use against AGW deniers

Exactly!!

Matty Is A Wanker Through and Through!

::) ::) ::)

The_Barnacle wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:47pm:

The term "denier" refers to people who refuse to believe something even when presented with evidence.

Which evidence? Computer models?   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Who denies the climate changes? ;)


The_Barnacle wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:47pm:

It is also accurate to use against AGW deniers

Based on those same computer models? How much warming has CO2 proven to raise temperatures? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Poor old redneck the science buffoon.

I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”.


Who cares?

The_Barnacle wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:47pm:

matty wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 3:24pm: I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”. Whether or not you believe in climate change is besides the point here, this is a clear reference to the term “holocaust denier”, to those idiots on the far-right who deny that the Holocaust ever happened, despite the clear verified documentation and evidence that it did. To make matters even worse, the same people who use this term were also some of the ones who condemned Fraser Anning for using the term “final solution” in his speech about Muslims. What Anning said was indeed appalling and too should have been condemned, but the hypocrisy is staggering. You are wrong of course Matty You are only linking the two concepts in your own bizarre mind. The term "denier" refers to people who refuse to believe something even when presented with evidence. The term can be, and is, used against lots of conspiracy theories. It is also accurate to use against AGW deniers

Not true. It is a clear dig and reference to Holocaust deniers.

If you believe what your wrote above, then surely you must believe that Anning’s use of the “final solution” was not connected?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:54pm:

I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”. Who cares?

You must have enough in order to have come onto the thread.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:54pm:

I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”. Who cares?

Not alarmists. They only care about their own message. ;)

Hot in, so hot in here! So hot in, hot, oh!
With a little bit of, uh uh, and a little bit of, uh uh
Just a little bit of, just a little bit of
Just a little bit of, just a little bit of

I was like, good gracious, ass is bodacious
Flirtacious, tryin' to show patience
I'm waitin' for the right time to shoot my steez (you know)
Waitin' for the right time to flash them keys, then uh
I'm leavin', please believe in, ohh
Me and the rest of my heathens
Check it, got it locked at the top of the Fo' Seasons
Penthouse, roof top, birds I'm feedin'
No deceivin', nuttin' up my sleeve and
No teasin', I need you to
Get up up on the dance floor
Give that man what he askin' for
'Cause I feel like bustin' loose
And I feel like touchin' you, uh uh
And can't nobody stop the juice
So baby tell me what's the use? I said

It's gettin' hot in here (so hot), so take off all your clothes
I am, gettin' so hot, I wanna take my clothes off
It's gettin' hot in here (so hot), so take off all your clothes
I am, gettin' so hot, I wanna take my clothes off

greggerypeccary wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 4:04pm:

Hot in, so hot in here! So hot in, hot, oh! With a little bit of, uh uh, and a little bit of, uh uh Just a little bit of, just a little bit of Just a little bit of, just a little bit of I was like, good gracious, ass is bodacious Flirtacious, tryin' to show patience I'm waitin' for the right time to shoot my steez (you know) Waitin' for the right time to flash them keys, then uh I'm leavin', please believe in, ohh Me and the rest of my heathens Check it, got it locked at the top of the Fo' Seasons Penthouse, roof top, birds I'm feedin' No deceivin', nuttin' up my sleeve and No teasin', I need you to Get up up on the dance floor Give that man what he askin' for 'Cause I feel like bustin' loose And I feel like touchin' you, uh uh And can't nobody stop the juice So baby tell me what's the use? I said It's gettin' hot in here (so hot), so take off all your clothes I am, gettin' so hot, I wanna take my clothes off It's gettin' hot in here (so hot), so take off all your clothes I am, gettin' so hot, I wanna take my clothes off

What time is your flight to NZ? You said that you were leaving today, so I am surprised to see you posting here.

lee wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:56pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 3:54pm: I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”. Who cares? Not alarmists. They only care about their own message. ;)

Good story  bro, but its like matty to be offended by a tag.

matty wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:54pm:

Not true. It is a clear dig and reference to Holocaust deniers. If you believe what your wrote above, then surely you must believe that Anning’s use of the “final solution” was not connected?

Absolute bollocks and a false dichotomy

The term "Final Solution" is a direct reference to the Nazi Holocaust
The term "denier" is generic

What a load of politically correct garbage.

The simple FACT is that CLIMATE CHANGE IS A SCAM. And its forbear GLOBAL WARMING is a HOAX.

So anyone who believes in it is a naive gullible ignorant fool. Just like the Greenies.

The Global Warming HOAX was fabricated in the UN Club of Rome years ago and ITS SOLE FUNCTION was to move wealth from developed nations to under developed nations.

The mechanism to steal money from wealthy nations is the Carbon Tax SCAM.

There was panic amongst the UN scammers when after a few years there was NO EVIDENCE whatsoever of any GLOBAL WARMING and so the shysters quickly changed their GLOBAL WARMING HOAX to the CLIMATE CHANGE SCAM.

And after a few more years when there is NO EVIDENCE of any Climate Change the UN shysters will no doubt change the name again to something like the ATMOSPHERE ACTION SHAM.

The Climate farce bit is simply a smokescreen to fool the gullibles of which there are plenty but not so many as before as Labor found out to their detriment when the savvy voters simply dumped Labor and their CLIMATE CHANGE SCAM in the garbage tin.

The lying Greenies have built their whole rubbishy political structure around the CLIMATE CHANGE SCAM and so they are now desperate to try to keep the SCAM going.

Now you all know the TRUTH.

lee wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:41pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 3:32pm: Bringing a lump of coal into parliament just says everything about how you lot are not serious in dealing with the issues So now coal is a pollutant? Or just a global warming lump of rock? Even when it is not burnt. ;D ;D ;D ;D What issues petal have been proved to have been laid at the feet of carbon?

ill tell you what petal. lets stick it up your arse and set fire to it and then find out ok ! :D LOL

juliar wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 6:11pm:

What a load of politically correct garbage. The simple FACT is that CLIMATE CHANGE IS A SCAM. And its forbear GLOBAL WARMING is a HOAX. So anyone who believes in it is a naive gullible ignorant fool. Just like the Greenies. The Global Warming HOAX was fabricated in the UN Club of Rome years ago and ITS SOLE FUNCTION was to move wealth from developed nations to under developed nations. The mechanism to steal money from wealthy nations is the Carbon Tax SCAM. There was panic amongst the UN scammers when after a few years there was NO EVIDENCE whatsoever of any GLOBAL WARMING and so the shysters quickly changed their GLOBAL WARMING HOAX to the CLIMATE CHANGE SCAM. And after a few more years when there is NO EVIDENCE of any Climate Change the UN shysters will no doubt change the name again to something like the ATMOSPHERE ACTION SHAM. The Climate farce bit is simply a smokescreen to fool the gullibles of which there are plenty but not so many as before as Labor found out to their detriment when the savvy voters simply dumped Labor and their CLIMATE CHANGE SCAM in the garbage tin. The lying Greenies have built their whole rubbishy political structure around the CLIMATE CHANGE SCAM and so they are now desperate to try to keep the SCAM going. Now you all know the TRUTH.

The bigger scam is taking it up the arse at the fossil fool bowser :(

Sir lastnail wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 6:16pm:

ill tell you what petal. lets stick it up your arse and set fire to it and then find out ok !

oh poor petal. Lost the argument again and resorts to ad homs. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

And the biggest dumbest idiot of all Tweedledumb the DANGER of BEING DUMB VIRUS from Woop Woop comes in on queue to display her gross ignorance of just about everything.

lee wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 6:24pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 6:16pm: ill tell you what petal. lets stick it up your arse and set fire to it and then find out ok ! oh poor petal. Lost the argument again and resorts to ad homs. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I've never lost one argument with you. Having the last say like you always do is not a substitute for wining an argument.

juliar wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 6:27pm:

And the biggest dumbest idiot of all Tweedledumb the DANGER of BEING DUMB VIRUS from Woop Woop comes in on queue to display her gross ignorance of just about everything.

On the news tonight $1.70 a liter down at St Kilda today for ULP :( For someone whose party always bangs on about electricity prices being to high how come you and your ilk always turn a blind eye to pump prices ?

GLOBAL WARMING = WINTER IS COMING

;D ;D

Sir lastnail wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 8:49pm:

I've never lost one argument with you.

No petal you have lost multitudes. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sir lastnail wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 8:52pm:

For someone whose party always bangs on about electricity prices being to high how come you and your ilk always turn a blind eye to pump prices ?

You mean your fuel prices don't increase in winter? When more fuel is used? You have heard of market forces haven't you? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 9:10pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 8:49pm: I've never lost one argument with you. No petal you have lost multitudes. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

never have I lost one argument !

The_Barnacle wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 4:28pm:

matty wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 3:54pm: Not true. It is a clear dig and reference to Holocaust deniers. If you believe what your wrote above, then surely you must believe that Anning’s use of the “final solution” was not connected? Absolute bollocks and a false dichotomy The term "Final Solution" is a direct reference to the Nazi Holocaust The term "denier" is generic

How so?

x + 5 = 7
x = 7 - 5
x = 2. This is the final solution.

matty wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:24pm:

I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”. Whether or not you believe in climate change is besides the point here, this is a clear reference to the term “holocaust denier”, to those idiots on the far-right who deny that the Holocaust ever happened, despite the clear verified documentation and evidence that it did. To make matters even worse, the same people who use this term were also some of the ones who condemned Fraser Anning for using the term “final solution” in his speech about Muslims. What Anning said was indeed appalling and too should have been condemned, but the hypocrisy is staggering.

That's true, Matty, but you joined for their animal welfare policies.

lee wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 9:12pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 8:52pm: For someone whose party always bangs on about electricity prices being to high how come you and your ilk always turn a blind eye to pump prices ? You mean your fuel prices don't increase in winter? When more fuel is used? You have heard of market forces haven't you? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

so we have a winter every week when they gouge the punters on the weekly ripoff cycle. :D LOL

matty wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:24pm:

I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”.

Please show some links where this exact term has been used.

Those chicken littles out there that want to make the claim that the world is boiling because they have experienced a hot day, they just cannot be bothered with consistency. I got into an argument with about 2 or 3 of them over a facebook news post on the topic. The heatwave of last year was enough evidence for them to say that this is clear evidence of global warming. I told them that it was not all that hot in my region. And then I told them that the record hottest day, set in 1990, has not been given much of a nudge in the last 28 years (at that time). These southerners then decided to come back at me saying that "local weather is not an indication of a global phenomenon". I told them that they were, in fact, proving my argument. Especially given the fact that they were speaking during a time when THEY were in a position of locally hot weather.

We are currently in a situation where we have a solar minimum. Average temperatures would have plateaued for a few years. And with 5 billion more people on the planet (minimum) than there were in the 1870s, it should be no surprise that average global temperatures have risen. Of course, with Beijing showing off their CFC output that had been eradicated elsewhere in the world, they are probably singing some song and dance about how I was wrong.

The grand solar minimum is hitting us early as predicted.


https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/southern-ocean-chill-heading-for-southeastern-australia/529750

Southern Ocean chill heading for southeastern Australia

Ben Domensino, Tuesday May 28, 2019 - 09:35 EST

A strong cold front will bring rain, hail, thunderstorms, damaging winds and low-level snow to Australia's southeastern states during the next two days.

A large mass of cold air surging out of the Southern Ocean will move over Tasmania on Tuesday and spread across Australia's southeast mainland during Tuesday night and Wednesday.

This burst of cold air will be accompanied by blustery winds, with severe weather warnings for damaging gusts in place for parts of Victoria and NSW as of 9am on Tuesday.

While damaging winds are likely to develop in some low-lying populated areas, the strongest gusts will occur on the peaks of the mainland alps. Areas above 1,900 metres are likely to experience blizzards with gusts in excess of 125km/h. The NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service advises against travelling in the alpine back country until these winds ease from Wednesday.

Showers and thunderstorms will affect parts of Tasmania, Victoria, SA, NSW and the ACT on Tuesday and Wednesday ahead of, with, and behind this strong frontal system.

This rain will be falling as snow on the higher parts of the alps during Tuesday, before reaching lower levels in multiple states on Wednesday as the Antarctic-borne air moves in.

Snow is forecast to reach down to an elevation of 500 metres in Tasmania from Tuesday night into Wednesday. On the mainland, snow could reach 600 metres in Victoria and 700 metres in southern NSW and the ACT on Wednesday. Further north, the NSW Central Tablelands will see their second round of snow in three days on Wednesday, with flakes possible in the Blue Mountains near Sydney.

The mix of cold and windy weather has also prompted sheep graziers warnings, road weather alerts and bush walker's alerts in parts of NSW, Victoria, SA and Tasmania.

Wind and showers will taper off from Thursday as the front moves out into the Tasman Sea.

This latest round of wintry weather is the last in a procession of cold fronts that have crossed southeastern Australia since Friday.

Some ski resorts have already seen 20-40cm of snow during the last three days, with more on the way during the next 72 hours.

Monday was Canberra's coldest May day in 19 years, with the city only reaching a top of nine degrees. The mercury will struggle to reach 10 degrees in the nation's capital on Tuesday and Wednesday as well.

matty wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:24pm:

I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”. Whether or not you believe in climate change is besides the point here, this is a clear reference to the term “holocaust denier”, to those idiots on the far-right who deny that the Holocaust ever happened, despite the clear verified documentation and evidence that it did. To make matters even worse, the same people who use this term were also some of the ones who condemned Fraser Anning for using the term “final solution” in his speech about Muslims. What Anning said was indeed appalling and too should have been condemned, but the hypocrisy is staggering.

To be honest I've never heard the term Holocaust Denier....
(and it's a very small part of the population)

SO the far left are bad for believing that man is poisoning the world and what we are doing is wrong , people that don't believe this are Climate deniers...….
then you use those that deny the holocaust and those that hint at removing Muslims for good solution as a comparison to their extremism.....

so those that want to make our land and our people healthier are just the opposite than murderous people that want genocide.... I guess that a good comparison.... ;)

Here are the Australian Climate Change Faithful.

When told that if they want to reduce their Carbon Footprint, and pay their fair share of Carbon Tax, all they have to do is follow the High Priest and Priestess of Climate Change, they will lead them to their Carbon Free Salvation and the Planet will show them it's gratitude in a new Carbon Free World!

https://i.imgur.com/eOAOJiV.gif

:D

I think we need to bring back gladiators. Too many people getting offended over petty words..

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 7:16am:

matty wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 3:24pm: I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”. Whether or not you believe in climate change is besides the point here, this is a clear reference to the term “holocaust denier”, to those idiots on the far-right who deny that the Holocaust ever happened, despite the clear verified documentation and evidence that it did. To make matters even worse, the same people who use this term were also some of the ones who condemned Fraser Anning for using the term “final solution” in his speech about Muslims. What Anning said was indeed appalling and too should have been condemned, but the hypocrisy is staggering. To be honest I've never heard the term Holocaust Denier.... (and it's a very small part of the population)

"Holocaust denier" seems to include people who say that 6 million Jewish people dying in concentration camps is an exaggeration.

I say that the amount of increase in global temperature is largely in relation to the natural warming of the globe that has happened since the last ice age ended. I can accept that some warming has occurred as a result of human influence. But, 95% of global warming would be due to a natural cycle out of the ice age.

We should be dedicating our resources to protecting bee populations in Australia from the dangers of the varroa mite that has been decimating bee populations in about 50% of the world. So far, with the exception of a scare in Port Melbourne, we have been lucky to be free of that mite. But, we have to be prepared for the possibility our biosecurity gets breached.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 11:40pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 29th, 2019 at 7:16am: matty wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 3:24pm: I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”. Whether or not you believe in climate change is besides the point here, this is a clear reference to the term “holocaust denier”, to those idiots on the far-right who deny that the Holocaust ever happened, despite the clear verified documentation and evidence that it did. To make matters even worse, the same people who use this term were also some of the ones who condemned Fraser Anning for using the term “final solution” in his speech about Muslims. What Anning said was indeed appalling and too should have been condemned, but the hypocrisy is staggering. To be honest I've never heard the term Holocaust Denier.... (and it's a very small part of the population) "Holocaust denier" seems to include people who say that 6 million Jewish people dying in concentration camps is an exaggeration. I say that the amount of increase in global temperature is largely in relation to the natural warming of the globe that has happened since the last ice age ended. I can accept that some warming has occurred as a result of human influence. But, 95% of global warming would be due to a natural cycle out of the ice age. We should be dedicating our resources to protecting bee populations in Australia from the dangers of the varroa mite that has been decimating bee populations in about 50% of the world. So far, with the exception of a scare in Port Melbourne, we have been lucky to be free of that mite. But, we have to be prepared for the possibility our biosecurity gets breached.

How very "far Left" of you worrying about the world ,is the UN in your name mean United Nations.... :D

https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/melbournes-cold-may-day/529757


Melbourne's cold May day

Ben Domensino, Wednesday May 29, 2019 - 16:23 EST

Melbourne endured its coldest May day in 19 years on Wednesday.

The temperature at Melbourne's Olympic Park weather station had only reached a top of 10.6 degrees by 4pm on Wednesday.

If this maximum temperature isn't exceeded by 9am on Thursday, this will have been the city's coldest May day since 2000.

The mid-week chill is being caused by a large pool of cold air from the Southern Ocean passing across Victoria. In addition to this wintry air mass, cloud and showers also limited warming in Melbourne on Wednesday.

The air was even cold enough for snow to fall in Ballarat on Wednesday afternoon.

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 6:14am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 29th, 2019 at 11:40pm: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 29th, 2019 at 7:16am: matty wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 3:24pm: I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”. Whether or not you believe in climate change is besides the point here, this is a clear reference to the term “holocaust denier”, to those idiots on the far-right who deny that the Holocaust ever happened, despite the clear verified documentation and evidence that it did. To make matters even worse, the same people who use this term were also some of the ones who condemned Fraser Anning for using the term “final solution” in his speech about Muslims. What Anning said was indeed appalling and too should have been condemned, but the hypocrisy is staggering. To be honest I've never heard the term Holocaust Denier.... (and it's a very small part of the population) "Holocaust denier" seems to include people who say that 6 million Jewish people dying in concentration camps is an exaggeration. I say that the amount of increase in global temperature is largely in relation to the natural warming of the globe that has happened since the last ice age ended. I can accept that some warming has occurred as a result of human influence. But, 95% of global warming would be due to a natural cycle out of the ice age. We should be dedicating our resources to protecting bee populations in Australia from the dangers of the varroa mite that has been decimating bee populations in about 50% of the world. So far, with the exception of a scare in Port Melbourne, we have been lucky to be free of that mite. But, we have to be prepared for the possibility our biosecurity gets breached. How very "far Left" of you worrying about the world ,is the UN in your name mean United Nations.... :D

"Un" as in "unknown". But, I think you already knew that. And I think I am more constructive with dealing with environmental issues than environmentalists have been. They can forget about marching about the streets causing traffic congestion. And they can start by figuring out what needs to be conserved and recycled in our region.

More cold records broken:

https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/frosty-start-in-southern-queensland/529768


Frosty start in southern Queensland

Ben Domensino, Friday May 31, 2019 - 16:23 EST

Parts of Queensland registered their lowest May temperature in more than 40 years on the final morning of autumn.
Cool air lingering behind a cold front combined with clear skies and light wind on Thursday night, allowing the mercury to plummet.
Stanthorpe's low of -6.1 degrees on Friday morning was their lowest May temperature in records dating back to 1967.
Oakey dropped to -4.4 degrees early on Friday, making it their coldest May morning in records going back to 1973.
According to the Bureau of Meteorology, Queensland's lowest May temperature on record was -6.8 degrees, which occurred at Stanthorpe in 2006.

Quote:

The term ‘climate denier” is disgusting

But accurate.

And there is no connection to anything but climate except in your mind it would appear.

Dnarever wrote on May 31^st, 2019 at 7:27pm:

Quote: The term ‘climate denier” is disgusting But accurate.

So who exactly has denied climate? Or even that climate changes? ::)

lee wrote on May 31^st, 2019 at 7:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 31st, 2019 at 7:27pm: Quote: The term ‘climate denier” is disgusting But accurate. So who exactly has denied climate? Or even that climate changes? ::)

Want to know who the pedant is ? I have an answer for that one.

Dnarever wrote on May 31^st, 2019 at 7:53pm:

Want to know who the pedant is ? I have an answer for that one.

So it is NOT accurate. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

matty wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:24pm:

I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”. Whether or not you believe in climate change is besides the point here, this is a clear reference to the term “holocaust denier”, to those idiots on the far-right who deny that the Holocaust ever happened, despite the clear verified documentation and evidence that it did. To make matters even worse, the same people who use this term were also some of the ones who condemned Fraser Anning for using the term “final solution” in his speech about Muslims. What Anning said was indeed appalling and too should have been condemned, but the hypocrisy is staggering.

I agree, Matty, I despise the term climate denier. It is, after all, a lot of hooey, animal welfare policies notwithstanding.

But the Holocaust? Who cares? The Jews control the world.

lee wrote on May 31^st, 2019 at 9:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 31st, 2019 at 7:53pm: Want to know who the pedant is ? I have an answer for that one. So it is NOT accurate. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Of course it is. You would obviously agree.

lee wrote on May 31^st, 2019 at 7:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 31st, 2019 at 7:27pm: Quote: The term ‘climate denier” is disgusting But accurate. So who exactly has denied climate? Or even that climate changes? ::)

The "climate is changing because of human activity" argument is as plausible as someone pushing a car that is already being driven at 10kmh. Sure, there is influence from the person pushing. But, the car is already in motion.

The only Climate denier I see post regularly is Bobby, He is always posting local weather events as evidence that the climate is changing :) :D

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 7:07am:

The only Climate denier I see post regularly is Bobby, He is always posting local weather events as evidence that the climate is changing :) :D

That's because record cold temperatures cannot be ignored.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-31/cold-morning-in-southern-queensland/11166790


Southern Queensland towns record coldest May morning.

Several May temperature records have been broken with a winter blast hitting southern Queensland overnight.

Applethorpe, Oakey and Dalby have all had their coldest May mornings on record.

The temperature plummeted to -6.1 in Applethorpe, –2.1 degrees below its previous record 13 years ago.

Oakey near Toowoomba dropped to -4.4, which was 0.3 of a degree cooler than its previous record in 2006.

Dalby on the Western Downs had its coldest morning since 1911, recording -3.6.

Bureau of Meteorology forecaster Gabriel Branescu said it was milder in the state's south-east.

"In Brisbane, while it was 8 degrees this morning, with the chill factor it felt like less than five degrees," he said.

"The feel like temperature at the airport in Brisbane was -1.

matty wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 3:24pm:

I am disgusted by the far-left using the term “climate denier”. Whether or not you believe in climate change is besides the point here, this is a clear reference to the term “holocaust denier”, to those idiots on the far-right who deny that the Holocaust ever happened, despite the clear verified documentation and evidence that it did. To make matters even worse, the same people who use this term were also some of the ones who condemned Fraser Anning for using the term “final solution” in his speech about Muslims. What Anning said was indeed appalling and too should have been condemned, but the hypocrisy is staggering.

The oligarchy with all their wealth have invented this phrase "climate denier", they are preparing a golden goose that will hatch golden eggs for them, they want to get it up and running asap before the next little ice age.

The sceptics all believe in climate change and that the climate is always that is always changing.

What the sceptics don't believe or are sceptical about is ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING and that mans emissions of CO2 are solely responsible for the current warming spell.

Quite simple really don't have to be a scientist to work it.

Dnarever wrote on May 31^st, 2019 at 10:06pm:

Of course it is. You would obviously agree.

No petal. You accused me of being a pedant. I wear that label proudly. But having been accused of being that pedant, it means I was right. That it is inaccurate.

Or are you one of those who believes words should be infinitely malleable? Are you a Humpty Dumpty?

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”

― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

lee wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 11:36am:

Dnarever wrote on May 31st, 2019 at 10:06pm: Of course it is. You would obviously agree. No petal. You accused me of being a pedant. I wear that label proudly. But having been accused of being that pedant, it means I was right. That it is inaccurate. Or are you one of those who believes words should be infinitely malleable? Are you a Humpty Dumpty? “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.” ― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

You accused me of being a pedant. I wear that label proudly.


As I doubt that anyone would disagree you need to wear it well. (Madam Onassis has nothing on you).

The rest of the rubbish you posted is just that.

To pedantically insist that a strict dictionary meaning be used to define the term Climate denier is obviously being less than genuine.

The term used in well known context is used to refer to people who deny the reality of human caused climate change. In this case there is a difference between pedantic dictionary meaning (denying the existence of climate) and common fully understood usage over several decades.

In fact your silly Humpty Dumpty reference is in-genuine at best - the fully understood wide common usage is well understood and not flexible at all.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 1:36pm:

To pedantically insist that a strict dictionary meaning be used to define the term Climate denier is obviously being less than genuine.

No petal words have meanings. What don't you understand about that?


Dnarever wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 1:36pm:

The term used in well known context is used to refer to people who deny the reality of human caused climate change. In this case there is a difference between pedantic dictionary meaning (denying the existence of climate) and common fully understood usage over several decades.

Ah, You mean by that subset of humans known as climate alarmists.  So their alteration of the meaning of words should stand.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Dnarever wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 1:36pm:

In fact your silly Humpty Dumpty reference is in-genuine at best - the fully understood wide common usage is well understood and not flexible at all.

I think you mean ingenuous. And yet it must be flexible to incorporate only those who don't agree that AGW is catastrophic. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 1:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 1st, 2019 at 1:36pm: The term used in well known context is used to refer to people who deny the reality of human caused climate change. In this case there is a difference between pedantic dictionary meaning (denying the existence of climate) and common fully understood usage over several decades. Ah, You mean by that subset of humans known as climate alarmists.  So their alteration of the meaning of words should stand.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

No what I mean is that you fully understand what people using that term mean. Your insistence on replacing what you know is factually meant by the dictionary meaning is dishonest.

This does not mean that people have to agree with global warming to comprehend what is being said without hopelessly but deliberately misinterpreting what they mean.

This isn't something that you do not understand.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 8:00pm:

No what I mean is that you fully understand what people using that term mean.

So I should take notice of people who believe in the malleability of the written word, even if they have the wrong meaning. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Dnarever wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 8:00pm:

Your insistence on replacing what you know is factually meant by the dictionary meaning is dishonest.

No petal. Words have meaning. you can't just change the meaning on a whim. ;)


Dnarever wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 8:00pm:

This does not mean that people have to agree with global warming to comprehend what is being said without hopelessly but deliberately misinterpreting what they mean.

Nor does it mean that people may mangle the language to give words a different one from their ordinary meaning.


Dnarever wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 8:00pm:

This isn't something that you do not understand.

You're right about that. I understand very well that alarmists try to mangle the language precisely to give a different meaning to ordinary usage. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 8:50pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 1st, 2019 at 8:00pm: No what I mean is that you fully understand what people using that term mean. So I should take notice of people who believe in the malleability of the written word, even if they have the wrong meaning. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Dnarever wrote on Jun 1st, 2019 at 8:00pm: Your insistence on replacing what you know is factually meant by the dictionary meaning is dishonest. No petal. Words have meaning. you can't just change the meaning on a whim. ;) Dnarever wrote on Jun 1st, 2019 at 8:00pm: This does not mean that people have to agree with global warming to comprehend what is being said without hopelessly but deliberately misinterpreting what they mean. Nor does it mean that people may mangle the language to give words a different one from their ordinary meaning. Dnarever wrote on Jun 1st, 2019 at 8:00pm: This isn't something that you do not understand. You're right about that. I understand very well that alarmists try to mangle the language precisely to give a different meaning to ordinary usage. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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No petal. Words have meaning. you can't just change the meaning on a whim. ;)

Really - you can either use your brain and accept the common accepted usage or look at a dictionary, they both agree with my view on this.

You likely don't remember when gay was a girls name and also meant to be Happy and care free.

Yes words are actually fluid.

Current accepted view on Climate Denier.



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Oxford dictionary (Living) climate denier NOUN A person who rejects the proposition that climate change caused by human activity is occurring. Dictionary.com [quote]climate denier[ klahy-mit di-nahy-er ]SHOW IPA noun a person who does not accept the existence or validity of climate change: Most of the summit protestors are climate deniers. ‘he attacked climate deniers for ‘bamboozling’ the public’

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Dnarever wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 10:00pm:

Really - you can either use your brain and accept the common accepted usage or look at a dictionary, they both agree with my view on this.

Nope. Common accepted usage is that denial is well denial. So therefore Climate Denial would be denying Climate. Anything else is sophistry.

Words have meanings.


Dnarever wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 10:00pm:

You likely don't remember when gay was a girls name and also meant to be Happy and care free.

Yes petal I do. And that was hijacked to mean something else as well. ;)

So tell me if gays are happy why are their suicide statistics so high?


Dnarever wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 10:00pm:

Yes words are actually fluid.

yes petal. But not infinitely malleable.


Dnarever wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 10:00pm:

Oxford dictionary

Oh Oxford. that largely left-leaning University. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

But really who denies climate changes? Who denies that man has some effect on climate?

You have heard of land use change, deforestation etc. They affect climate. So by definition that is AGW. climate change. AGW presupposes that the change is global. However the evidence points to it being regional. ;)

Just keep digging that hole you should come out at stupid.

Now we have left leaning dictionaries - OH Please.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 10:49pm:

Just keep digging that hole you should come out at stupid.

ooh. That was very nearly almost amusing. You are improving.


Dnarever wrote on Jun 1^st, 2019 at 10:49pm:

Now we have left leaning dictionaries - OH Please.

You obviously don't read well. Nowhere did I say that. ;D ;D ;D ;D

So tell me why do alarmists like to call warmists, climate deniers? I mean warmists do say that anthropogenic climate change is real. They just say it is not catastrophic.

So where does that sit on the new "climate denier" line? Just how much denial is enough?