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Message started by strolling bones on May 18th, 2019 at 7:16pm

Title: Ivan Milat
Post by strolling bones on May 18th, 2019 at 7:16pm
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/serial-killer-ivan-milat-diagnosed-with-cancer/video/1ae9ef06510998957fc8129c4d064ba8

Ivan Milat diagnosed with advanced stage cancer and weighs just 66 kilograms- he is not expected to leave hospital-



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Serial killer Ivan Milat has been diagnosed with cancer and is unlikely to return to jail. The 74-year-old was transferred from Goulburn supermax jail to the high-security section of Sydney's Prince of Wales Hospital on Monday, after falling ill. It's now been revealed he is in the advanced stages of cancer, is down to 66-kilograms and has been showing signs of dementia for more than a year. Milat is serving seven life sentences for the murders of seven backpackers in the NSW Belanglo State Forest.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Valkie on May 18th, 2019 at 7:32pm
Should have just left him in his cell.

No treatment, no painkillers

Just left to rot

Treat him like he treated his victims.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by cods on May 18th, 2019 at 8:11pm
mmmm trouble is it makes us no better than him...

this is when you like to believe there is a HELL

and hes heading there very soon......

gasping for breath unable to swallow....fear written all over him.. couldnt happen to a nice guy!

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Gnads on May 18th, 2019 at 8:23pm
Good riddance

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by tickleandrose on May 18th, 2019 at 11:11pm
It depends on how bad his dementia is.  Does he still remember what he did.  If not, its another body suffering. 

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Rhino on May 18th, 2019 at 11:16pm

tickleandrose wrote on May 18th, 2019 at 11:11pm:
It depends on how bad his dementia is.  Does he still remember what he did.  If not, its another body suffering. 

A psychopath with dementia is exactly that.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Ye Grappler on May 18th, 2019 at 11:30pm
..some of the things he did..... unbelievable ... couldn't happen to a nicer guy.... but I sometimes wonder if other nations have the right idea about murderers etc...

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Ajax on May 19th, 2019 at 10:52am
He'll be going home shortly.


Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Valkie on May 19th, 2019 at 2:08pm

cods wrote on May 18th, 2019 at 8:11pm:
mmmm trouble is it makes us no better than him...

this is when you like to believe there is a HELL

and hes heading there very soon......

gasping for breath unable to swallow....fear written all over him.. couldnt happen to a nice guy!


Why do you want to be better than him?

I firmly believe that once someone breaks the rules
They are no longer entitled to play the game.
By doing what he did, he forfeited any rights to COMPASSION or consideration.

Let him die in pain,

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2019 at 2:19pm

Valkie wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

cods wrote on May 18th, 2019 at 8:11pm:
mmmm trouble is it makes us no better than him...

this is when you like to believe there is a HELL

and hes heading there very soon......

gasping for breath unable to swallow....fear written all over him.. couldnt happen to a nice guy!


Why do you want to be better than him?

,
because he is a murderous psychopath? Are you saying you dont want to be better than a murderous psychopath?

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by PZ547 on May 19th, 2019 at 2:41pm

tickleandrose wrote on May 18th, 2019 at 11:11pm:
It depends on how bad his dementia is.  Does he still remember what he did.  If not, its another body suffering. 



That is profound

[smiley=beer.gif]

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by PZ547 on May 19th, 2019 at 2:42pm
Seems everyone's forgetting the brand new backpacks the cops carried into the Milat place

and forgetting the stripey jumper of one of the victims was not the same, although similar, to that produced as evidence

I think he was stitched up

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by BigP on May 19th, 2019 at 2:52pm

cods wrote on May 18th, 2019 at 8:11pm:
mmmm trouble is it makes us no better than him...

this is when you like to believe there is a HELL

and hes heading there very soon......

gasping for breath unable to swallow....fear written all over him.. couldnt happen to a nice guy!



You may be a king or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later you dance with the reaper!

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by BigP on May 19th, 2019 at 2:54pm

Ajax wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 10:52am:
He'll be going home shortly.




Is that Hieronymus Bosch ?

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2019 at 3:37pm

PZ547 wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 2:42pm:
Seems everyone's forgetting the brand new backpacks the cops carried into the Milat place

and forgetting the stripey jumper of one of the victims was not the same, although similar, to that produced as evidence

I think he was stitched up
Yes. Eywitness evidence, hundreds of items linking him to the victims including DNA evidence, possession of rifle which was the same one killed the victims, items linking him to the victims found in the wall cavity of his house, all a gigantic conspiracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ymjp2uIBws


Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Gordon on May 19th, 2019 at 3:46pm
I wonder how Ivan would poll as PM compared to Bill Shorten?

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by mothra on May 19th, 2019 at 3:48pm

rhino wrote on May 18th, 2019 at 11:16pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 18th, 2019 at 11:11pm:
It depends on how bad his dementia is.  Does he still remember what he did.  If not, its another body suffering. 

A psychopath with dementia is exactly that.



And quite possibly even more high risk.

Still,that is absolutely no excuse not to treat him with all of the humanity we can offer.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on May 19th, 2019 at 3:48pm
Seriously? Does someone in this thread think Ivan molar isn't guilty? Not that you would take my word for it but when I was a lot younger I lived in a town he frequented. Everyone in that town avoided him. We all knew he had screws loose and it was common knowledge that he killed ppl at the drop of a hat. The authorities knew it too but couldn't do anything because they didn't have evidence.

Spot

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by mothra on May 19th, 2019 at 3:50pm

PZ547 wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 2:42pm:
Seems everyone's forgetting the brand new backpacks the cops carried into the Milat place

and forgetting the stripey jumper of one of the victims was not the same, although similar, to that produced as evidence

I think he was stitched up



Is there anything at all that isn't a conspiracy to you?

Your capacity to lurk even off the edge of the fringe is spectacular.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on May 19th, 2019 at 3:50pm

PZ547 wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 2:42pm:
Seems everyone's forgetting the brand new backpacks the cops carried into the Milat place

and forgetting the stripey jumper of one of the victims was not the same, although similar, to that produced as evidence

I think he was stitched up


If he was stitched up it's because they knew it was him but couldn't prove it and the body count was getting too high.

Spot

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Gordon on May 19th, 2019 at 4:00pm

mothra wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 3:50pm:

PZ547 wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 2:42pm:
Seems everyone's forgetting the brand new backpacks the cops carried into the Milat place

and forgetting the stripey jumper of one of the victims was not the same, although similar, to that produced as evidence

I think he was stitched up



Is there anything at all that isn't a conspiracy to you?

Your capacity to lurk even off the edge of the fringe is spectacular.


Most people think there was another killer which leads some off in strange directions of why a 2nd was never charged and opens the door to all kinds whacky theories.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Gordon on May 19th, 2019 at 4:03pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 3:50pm:

PZ547 wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 2:42pm:
Seems everyone's forgetting the brand new backpacks the cops carried into the Milat place

and forgetting the stripey jumper of one of the victims was not the same, although similar, to that produced as evidence

I think he was stitched up


If he was stitched up it's because they knew it was him but couldn't prove it and the body count was getting too high.

Spot


I agree with that too.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Aussie on May 19th, 2019 at 4:05pm
How odd is that when Milat was caught...no more killings in the area.  Just an extraordinary coincidence I suppose.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on May 19th, 2019 at 4:32pm

Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:00pm:

mothra wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 3:50pm:

PZ547 wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 2:42pm:
Seems everyone's forgetting the brand new backpacks the cops carried into the Milat place

and forgetting the stripey jumper of one of the victims was not the same, although similar, to that produced as evidence

I think he was stitched up



Is there anything at all that isn't a conspiracy to you?

Your capacity to lurk even off the edge of the fringe is spectacular.


Most people think there was another killer which leads some off in strange directions of why a 2nd was never charged and opens the door to all kinds whacky theories.


he had a mate whose name i never knew who i never saw in the news . . . . .

Spot

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Gordon on May 19th, 2019 at 4:43pm

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
How odd is that when Milat was caught...no more killings in the area.  Just an extraordinary coincidence I suppose.


Not really. If it was a different killer they'd could have used that as a chance to move to a different area or change their MO.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Aussie on May 19th, 2019 at 4:45pm

Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:43pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
How odd is that when Milat was caught...no more killings in the area.  Just an extraordinary coincidence I suppose.


Not really. If it was a different killer they'd could have used that as a chance to move to a different area or change their MO.


So...where is their harvest?

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by cods on May 19th, 2019 at 4:51pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 3:48pm:
Seriously? Does someone in this thread think Ivan molar isn't guilty? Not that you would take my word for it but when I was a lot younger I lived in a town he frequented. Everyone in that town avoided him. We all knew he had screws loose and it was common knowledge that he killed ppl at the drop of a hat. The authorities knew it too but couldn't do anything because they didn't have evidence.

Spot



what do you mean   everyone knew he killed ppl.???????  please explain.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Gordon on May 19th, 2019 at 5:01pm

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:45pm:

Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:43pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
How odd is that when Milat was caught...no more killings in the area.  Just an extraordinary coincidence I suppose.


Not really. If it was a different killer they'd could have used that as a chance to move to a different area or change their MO.


So...where is their harvest?


I'm not suggesting there is another killer, but hypothetically if there was, they could use Milat's capture and conviction as a chance to make a clean break.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Aussie on May 19th, 2019 at 5:06pm

Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 5:01pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:45pm:

Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:43pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
How odd is that when Milat was caught...no more killings in the area.  Just an extraordinary coincidence I suppose.


Not really. If it was a different killer they'd could have used that as a chance to move to a different area or change their MO.


So...where is their harvest?


I'm not suggesting there is another killer, but hypothetically if there was, they could use Milat's capture and conviction as a chance to make a clean break.


....and nuked their lust for blood?  Yeas, that'd make sense.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by John Smith on May 19th, 2019 at 5:13pm

mothra wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 3:50pm:

PZ547 wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 2:42pm:
Seems everyone's forgetting the brand new backpacks the cops carried into the Milat place

and forgetting the stripey jumper of one of the victims was not the same, although similar, to that produced as evidence

I think he was stitched up



Is there anything at all that isn't a conspiracy to you?

Your capacity to lurk even off the edge of the fringe is spectacular.



even the election win is a conspiracy  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on May 19th, 2019 at 5:33pm

cods wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:51pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 3:48pm:
Seriously? Does someone in this thread think Ivan molar isn't guilty? Not that you would take my word for it but when I was a lot younger I lived in a town he frequented. Everyone in that town avoided him. We all knew he had screws loose and it was common knowledge that he killed ppl at the drop of a hat. The authorities knew it too but couldn't do anything because they didn't have evidence.

Spot



what do you mean   everyone knew he killed ppl.???????  please explain.


He was off his trolley and always had a rifle on him. Figure of speech (except for the police I suspect)....

Spot

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on May 19th, 2019 at 5:35pm

Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 5:01pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:45pm:

Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:43pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
How odd is that when Milat was caught...no more killings in the area.  Just an extraordinary coincidence I suppose.


Not really. If it was a different killer they'd could have used that as a chance to move to a different area or change their MO.


So...where is their harvest?


I'm not suggesting there is another killer, but hypothetically if there was, they could use Milat's capture and conviction as a chance to make a clean break.


Killers tend to kill. They wouldn't have broken for long.

Spot

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by cods on May 19th, 2019 at 5:41pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 5:33pm:

cods wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:51pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 3:48pm:
Seriously? Does someone in this thread think Ivan molar isn't guilty? Not that you would take my word for it but when I was a lot younger I lived in a town he frequented. Everyone in that town avoided him. We all knew he had screws loose and it was common knowledge that he killed ppl at the drop of a hat. The authorities knew it too but couldn't do anything because they didn't have evidence.

Spot



what do you mean   everyone knew he killed ppl.???????  please explain.


He was off his trolley and always had a rifle on him. Figure of speech (except for the police I suspect)....

Spot




even so  he should never have been allowed to wander the streets with a rifle...... ::) ::).. this was a fair while ago of course..

he was a bad dude thats for sure...

it must send chills through you knowing how close he was..

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by cods on May 19th, 2019 at 5:42pm
at the end of the day..

we havent produced anything on the scale of America..

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by .JaSin. on May 19th, 2019 at 5:48pm
A killer who knows he/she will die by execution is a far more dangerous and desperate killer.
Killers who think they will just get 20 years for murder, tend to ease off the accelerator a bit, for the 'fear' of their own death isn't as apparent to them, if caught.

Nations with the Death Penalty have a higher rate of violence, by far, than nations that don't. So obviously the Death Penalty DOES NOT WORK.

So how does a nation punish a Murderer?

Well making Prisons where the Prisoners are 'harder' than the Prison, is not a good start. Which is where Australia has found itself due to Human Rights of Prisoners over-riding, the Human Rights of the Public.

So where do we go from here?

I know the Anita Cobby murderers 'fear' being  released because they know they will themselves be killed by the Public, willing to pay for someone to do it, if not themselves. Atm - they have got it pretty good in Prison, although at the start they got a hammering from the Prisoners on the inside... very ironic  ::) But those Prisoners didn't do it for the Public or Anita - they did it for their own sick pleasure at the new 'fresh meat'.

So where do we go from here?
Can we send them away to some other country, where they can do the dirty work against some indigenous peoples, we wish to depose?
Can we put them to work as 'free labour' (Slavery)?
Can we devoid them of all stimulation in a Prison that does the job of breaking down everything about them as a 'killer', before any semblance of 'Rehabilitating' them?
Well that's a good start - but after that?

Do you think they will go to 'HELL' to burn in some Religious fire with no virgins, etc?  ::) After 'Death' it matters not much. Sure, Mary McKillop, was made a Saint - so there is the benefit of her family, friends, decendents, etc getting some good grace from her life. As the Milat family and associates will not, down the track.
But do you think the Convicts of Australia will find 'peace' after their 'past' crimes? Hence, why no 'domestic political' patriotism (like USA) is given here unless they are labelled 'White Extremists'.

Life Sentence - Nil parole for Murder is better than Execution, but our Prison's must tow the line and make them wish that they were dead.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Gordon on May 19th, 2019 at 5:54pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 5:35pm:

Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 5:01pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:45pm:

Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:43pm:

Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
How odd is that when Milat was caught...no more killings in the area.  Just an extraordinary coincidence I suppose.


Not really. If it was a different killer they'd could have used that as a chance to move to a different area or change their MO.


So...where is their harvest?


I'm not suggesting there is another killer, but hypothetically if there was, they could use Milat's capture and conviction as a chance to make a clean break.


Killers tend to kill. They wouldn't have broken for long.

Spot


In the USA there are plenty of cases where serial killers go dormant for a long period of time.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by strolling bones on May 19th, 2019 at 7:34pm
Ivan Milat a cruel and vicious killer... he looked evil but do killers always have an evil face?

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Valkie on May 20th, 2019 at 5:31am
Sometimes.

howard the coward looked fairly innocuous

But he was directly responsible for the deaths of many people.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on May 20th, 2019 at 8:47am

cods wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 5:41pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 5:33pm:

cods wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 4:51pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 3:48pm:
Seriously? Does someone in this thread think Ivan molar isn't guilty? Not that you would take my word for it but when I was a lot younger I lived in a town he frequented. Everyone in that town avoided him. We all knew he had screws loose and it was common knowledge that he killed ppl at the drop of a hat. The authorities knew it too but couldn't do anything because they didn't have evidence.

Spot



what do you mean   everyone knew he killed ppl.???????  please explain.


He was off his trolley and always had a rifle on him. Figure of speech (except for the police I suspect)....

Spot




even so  he should never have been allowed to wander the streets with a rifle...... ::) ::).. this was a fair while ago of course..

he was a bad dude thats for sure...

it must send chills through you knowing how close he was..


Yeah the 70s and he gave everyone the willies

Spot

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by cods on May 20th, 2019 at 8:49am

Valkie wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 5:31am:
Sometimes.

howard the coward looked fairly innocuous

But he was directly responsible for the deaths of many people.





how do you come to that conclusion?

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Captain Caveman on May 20th, 2019 at 8:59am

cods wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 8:49am:

Valkie wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 5:31am:
Sometimes.

howard the coward looked fairly innocuous

But he was directly responsible for the deaths of many people.





how do you come to that conclusion?



Port Arthur....but you'll go apeshyte over that....Like most brainwashed people do.

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Gnads on May 20th, 2019 at 9:02am

mothra wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 3:48pm:

rhino wrote on May 18th, 2019 at 11:16pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 18th, 2019 at 11:11pm:
It depends on how bad his dementia is.  Does he still remember what he did.  If not, its another body suffering. 

A psychopath with dementia is exactly that.



And quite possibly even more high risk.

Still,that is absolutely no excuse not to treat him with all of the humanity we can offer.


Yes like the humanity he showed his victims.  ::)

Title: Re: Ivan Milat
Post by Gnads on May 20th, 2019 at 9:10am

strolling bones wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 7:34pm:
Ivan Milat a cruel and vicious killer... he looked evil but do killers always have an evil face?


Ted Bundy?

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