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Message started by Laugh till you cry on May 5th, 2019 at 12:08pm

Title: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 5th, 2019 at 12:08pm
All sides of Australian politics are hooked on immigration because it bloats the GDP and hides falling income and rising costs.

All Australians are paying a tax for excessive immigration by downward pressure on wages, rising accommodation costs, congested roads and schools, overloaded hospitals, and rising costs of services.

Australia is the only developed country that accepts such high levels of immigration.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Ye Grappler on May 6th, 2019 at 12:02am
True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Karnal on May 6th, 2019 at 11:44am

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
All sides of Australian politics are hooked on immigration because it bloats the GDP and hides falling income and rising costs.

All Australians are paying a tax for excessive immigration by downward pressure on wages, rising accommodation costs, congested roads and schools, overloaded hospitals, and rising costs of services.

Australia is the only developed country that accepts such high levels of immigration.


Not at all, dear. America has much higher immigration. Australia is merely following suit.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Karnal on May 6th, 2019 at 11:46am

Ye Grappler wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 12:02am:
True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....


Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Mr Hammer on May 6th, 2019 at 11:54am
Carnal takes this issue very personally.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by polite_gandalf on May 6th, 2019 at 11:58am

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Ye Grappler wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 12:02am:
True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....


Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.


Not entirely - there's family reunion, refugees and of course anyone from New Zealand and probably some other categories as well...

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Bobby. on May 6th, 2019 at 12:01pm
Too many golliwogs and nig nogs are coming here.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Karnal on May 6th, 2019 at 1:26pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:54am:
Carnal takes this issue very personally.


Indeed. Karnal lives in Western Sydney, dear. His father's an immigrant from Mother England.

You?

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Karnal on May 6th, 2019 at 1:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:58am:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Ye Grappler wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 12:02am:
True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....


Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.


Not entirely - there's family reunion, refugees and of course anyone from New Zealand and probably some other categories as well...


Not really. The 12 - 16,000 refugees a year make up bugger all of our population.

Family reunion makes up bugger-all too. The $100,000 application fee - before all the bonds and health insurance and required savings in the bank - generally puts people off.

The big unaccounted intake comes from students. I know a few immigrants who've come in this way. You come to Australia to study in a course that's high on the skills list. You then apply when you're accredited.

Health courses such as nursing, radiology and physiotherapy are good. Mind you, you have to pass the language tests, which are stringent. The Indians I know got through no worries. Others - a bit harder.

And yes, the two Indians I know both got arranged marriages back in India and applied for them to come here, but not under spousal visas, which are very hard to get through too. You need to prove, I think, an existing relationship of 5 years. You need to be a citizen. The two I know had their partners apply under the skills test. One partner was a dentist, but they soon divorced and he stayed in India.

The other's new wife came to study radiology. She's now going through the waiting period, and she needs to keep studying to qualify for the student visa.

The fees are a big barrier. Overseas students pay a lot more. Their work hours are restricted, so it can be tough to pay it off. You need fairly rich parents back home, or someone here who's willing to fork out (like a partner).

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by goosecat on May 6th, 2019 at 1:41pm

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:44am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
All sides of Australian politics are hooked on immigration because it bloats the GDP and hides falling income and rising costs.

All Australians are paying a tax for excessive immigration by downward pressure on wages, rising accommodation costs, congested roads and schools, overloaded hospitals, and rising costs of services.

Australia is the only developed country that accepts such high levels of immigration.


Not at all, dear. America has much higher immigration. Australia is merely following suit.

Not entirely correct. Of course there are lies damn lies and then statistics but if you use the world bank stats of net migration (immigrants per capita) the results are pretty clear.
There are relatively small countries of fairly homogenous populations below 10 million or so that have higher per capita immigration intake, including places like Norway and Switzerland etc (who by the way are now reducing/limiting those rates for numerous reasons). There are also places like The Cayman Islands and Luxembourg etc that have higher net immigration rates. However if you exclude those few countries and count only comparable countries with populations over 20 million then Australia has by far the highest net immigration rate according to the world bank stats for 5 year period to 2012.

Australia tops the list with 45 immigrants per 1000 capita. The next highest is Canada with 33 immigrants per 1000 capita followed by Saudi Arabia with 28. Then Turkey with 26 and Iraq with 16. The United States comes next with 15.9 immigrants per 1000 population. In other words Australia has a net immigration rate 3 times that of the USA and has by a very long margin the highest per capita immigration rate of any large developed country in the world (over 20 million). We are most certainly an anomaly within the world sphere in this area.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Karnal on May 6th, 2019 at 1:48pm

goosecat wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:41pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:44am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
All sides of Australian politics are hooked on immigration because it bloats the GDP and hides falling income and rising costs.

All Australians are paying a tax for excessive immigration by downward pressure on wages, rising accommodation costs, congested roads and schools, overloaded hospitals, and rising costs of services.

Australia is the only developed country that accepts such high levels of immigration.


Not at all, dear. America has much higher immigration. Australia is merely following suit.

Not entirely correct. Of course there are lies damn lies and then statistics but if you use the world bank stats of net migration (immigrants per capita) the results are pretty clear.
There are relatively small countries of fairly homogenous populations below 10 million or so that have higher per capita immigration intake, including places like Norway and Iceland etc (who by the way are now reducing/limiting those rates for numerous reasons). There are also places like The Cayman Islands and Luxembourg etc that have higher net immigration rates. However if you exclude those few countries and count only comparable countries with populations over 20 million then Australia has by far the highest net immigration rate according to the world bank stats for 5 year period to 2012.

Australia tops the list with 45 immigrants per 1000 capita. The next highest is Canada with 33 immigrants per 1000 capita followed by Saudi Arabia with 28. Then Turkey with 26 and Iraq with 16. The United States comes next with 15.9 immigrants per 1000 population. In other words Australia has a net immigration rate 3 times that of the USA and has by a very long margin the highest per capita immigration rate of any large developed country in the world (over 20 million). We are most certainly an anomaly within the world sphere in this area.


Thanks, Goose, that's good to know. So Australia is indeed the highest.

I can't see the Caymans counting for much. The only people moving there would be retired millionaires and shell companies. Countries like the Caymans and the Channel Islands are British colonies set up solely for investment purposes.

What about the UK? That must be high.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by goosecat on May 6th, 2019 at 2:03pm

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:48pm:

goosecat wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:41pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:44am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
All sides of Australian politics are hooked on immigration because it bloats the GDP and hides falling income and rising costs.

All Australians are paying a tax for excessive immigration by downward pressure on wages, rising accommodation costs, congested roads and schools, overloaded hospitals, and rising costs of services.

Australia is the only developed country that accepts such high levels of immigration.


Not at all, dear. America has much higher immigration. Australia is merely following suit.

Not entirely correct. Of course there are lies damn lies and then statistics but if you use the world bank stats of net migration (immigrants per capita) the results are pretty clear.
There are relatively small countries of fairly homogenous populations below 10 million or so that have higher per capita immigration intake, including places like Norway and Iceland etc (who by the way are now reducing/limiting those rates for numerous reasons). There are also places like The Cayman Islands and Luxembourg etc that have higher net immigration rates. However if you exclude those few countries and count only comparable countries with populations over 20 million then Australia has by far the highest net immigration rate according to the world bank stats for 5 year period to 2012.

Australia tops the list with 45 immigrants per 1000 capita. The next highest is Canada with 33 immigrants per 1000 capita followed by Saudi Arabia with 28. Then Turkey with 26 and Iraq with 16. The United States comes next with 15.9 immigrants per 1000 population. In other words Australia has a net immigration rate 3 times that of the USA and has by a very long margin the highest per capita immigration rate of any large developed country in the world (over 20 million). We are most certainly an anomaly within the world sphere in this area.


Thanks, Goose, that's good to know. So Australia is indeed the highest.

I can't see the Caymans counting for much. The only people moving there would be retired millionaires and shell companies. Countries like the Caymans and the Channel Islands are British colonies set up solely for investment purposes.

What about the UK? That must be high.

The UK comes in at 14.3 immigrants per 1000 population, not even a third of Australia's migration levels.. Much of the so called immigration numbers issue in the UK has taken place less quickly and over a comparatively much longer period I believe but I don't have figures to confirm that.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Mr Hammer on May 6th, 2019 at 2:17pm

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:54am:
Carnal takes this issue very personally.


Indeed. Karnal lives in Western Sydney, dear. His father's an immigrant from Mother England.

You?


Slums of Islammabad on the mother's side, however.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by polite_gandalf on May 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
The big unaccounted intake comes from students.


I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 6th, 2019 at 3:54pm
Unrestrained immigration is changing the face of the Australian economy. It is causing resources and agriculture to become a shrinking component of the GDP while services are increasing and imports of manufactured goods are accelerating.

The Australian economy is not booming so strongly that it needs unrestrained immigration.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Karnal on May 6th, 2019 at 3:59pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 2:17pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:54am:
Carnal takes this issue very personally.


Indeed. Karnal lives in Western Sydney, dear. His father's an immigrant from Mother England.

You?


Slums of Islammabad on the mother's side, however.


Slums of Watsons Bay on Mother's side, dear.

It was quite cheap during WWII.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Karnal on May 6th, 2019 at 4:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
The big unaccounted intake comes from students.


I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.


Sure, but not long after that, IT was taken off the list.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Karnal on May 6th, 2019 at 4:04pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 3:54pm:
Unrestrained immigration is changing the face of the Australian economy. It is causing resources and agriculture to become a shrinking component of the GDP while services are increasing and imports of manufactured goods are accelerating.

The Australian economy is not booming so strongly that it needs unrestrained immigration.


Yes, but immigration itself can be a pump-primer.

There are certain skills we need - particularly in rural areas.

I think our problems could be solved if we just made it mandatory for certain skilled immigrants to live in certain rural areas.

If we can import labour based on skills, surely we can place those skills where they're needed. This could rejuvenate rural areas and regional towns. I'm not sure what the obstacle to this is.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 6th, 2019 at 4:06pm

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:04pm:
There are certain skills we need - particularly in rural areas.


Australian sheep-shaggers are unmatched.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Karnal on May 6th, 2019 at 7:11pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:06pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
There are certain skills we need - particularly in rural areas.


Australian sheep-shaggers are unmatched.


True, but they often need anal clearance, dear. Sometimes they slip, you see, and get a bottle accidentally inserted in their rectums.

A simple mistake to make, and more common than you'd think.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Ye Grappler on May 7th, 2019 at 12:04am

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:06pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
There are certain skills we need - particularly in rural areas.


Australian sheep-shaggers are unmatched.


Kiwis beat them hands down....

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Gnads on May 7th, 2019 at 9:42am

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Ye Grappler wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 12:02am:
True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....


Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.


Since when have refugees from the ME & nth Africa been a "skills" based exercise?

That's laughable when they are deporting skilled residents who not only got their qualifications here they've also had children here.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Karnal on May 7th, 2019 at 10:24am

Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 9:42am:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Ye Grappler wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 12:02am:
True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....


Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.


Since when have refugees from the ME & nth Africa been a "skills" based exercise?

That's laughable when they are deporting skilled residents who not only got their qualifications here they've also had children here.


Refugees are not part of the skilled migration intake, Gonads.

You really should read the posts before commenting, dear.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 7th, 2019 at 11:21am

Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 9:42am:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Ye Grappler wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 12:02am:
True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....


Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.


Since when have refugees from the ME & nth Africa been a "skills" based exercise?

That's laughable when they are deporting skilled residents who not only got their qualifications here they've also had children here.


If Australia is deporting skilled residents Gnads is in no danger.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 7th, 2019 at 11:26am

Ye Grappler wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 12:04am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:06pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
There are certain skills we need - particularly in rural areas.


Australian sheep-shaggers are unmatched.


Kiwis beat them hands down....


Are ewe done? How's the wether down there?

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by mothra on May 7th, 2019 at 11:33am

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
The big unaccounted intake comes from students.


I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.


Sure, but not long after that, IT was taken off the list.


What do you mean by this?

I ask because someone i care very much about is about to undertake a IT course under a student VISA with the hope of staying here.

The crazy thing in his case is that he has to quit full time employment (3yrs duration) to undertake the course at massively inflated prices. He's been living here for about 5 years.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 7th, 2019 at 11:43am

mothra wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:33am:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
The big unaccounted intake comes from students.


I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.


Sure, but not long after that, IT was taken off the list.


What do you mean by this?

I ask because someone i care very much about is about to undertake a IT course under a student VISA with the hope of staying here.

The crazy thing in his case is that he has to quit full time employment (3yrs duration) to undertake the course at massively inflated prices. He's been living here for about 5 years.


IT itself is not a job class. There is a big list of professions under 'computer'. You need to be selective and talk to the university which will tell you what areas it is ramping up to meet projected shortages.

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/working-in-australia/skill-occupation-list

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by mothra on May 7th, 2019 at 11:47am

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:43am:

mothra wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:33am:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
The big unaccounted intake comes from students.


I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.


Sure, but not long after that, IT was taken off the list.


What do you mean by this?

I ask because someone i care very much about is about to undertake a IT course under a student VISA with the hope of staying here.

The crazy thing in his case is that he has to quit full time employment (3yrs duration) to undertake the course at massively inflated prices. He's been living here for about 5 years.


IT itself is not a job class. There is a big list of professions under 'computer'. You need to be selective and talk to the university which will tell you what areas it is ramping up to meet projected shortages.

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/working-in-australia/skill-occupation-list



Thanks for that. I will read and passon.

Problem is he can't afford university sois stuck with private colleges. He can go on payment plans with some of them ... uni and TAFE demand upfront fees and as he can't work, he's financially dependant on his partner ... who is on an award.

They're going into debt to get the VISA in the first place, which is $4,500.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Ye Grappler on May 7th, 2019 at 11:55am

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:26am:

Ye Grappler wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 12:04am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:06pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
There are certain skills we need - particularly in rural areas.


Australian sheep-shaggers are unmatched.


Kiwis beat them hands down....


Are ewe done? How's the wether down there?


Ay-Rabs are good with goats.... we need more goat handlers...

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 7th, 2019 at 12:05pm

Ye Grappler wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:55am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:26am:

Ye Grappler wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 12:04am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:06pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
There are certain skills we need - particularly in rural areas.


Australian sheep-shaggers are unmatched.


Kiwis beat them hands down....


Are ewe done? How's the wether down there?


Ay-Rabs are good with goats.... we need more goat handlers...


Are you worked to the bone? Are you advocating adding goat husbandry to the immigration skills list?

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Ye Grappler on May 7th, 2019 at 12:25pm
Camel Riders?

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Gnads on May 7th, 2019 at 12:57pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:21am:

Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 9:42am:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Ye Grappler wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 12:02am:
True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....


Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.


Since when have refugees from the ME & nth Africa been a "skills" based exercise?

That's laughable when they are deporting skilled residents who not only got their qualifications here they've also had children here.


If Australia is deporting skilled residents Gnads is in no danger.


You're as humorous as a terrorist attack. ::)

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Gnads on May 7th, 2019 at 12:58pm

Abu wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 10:24am:

Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 9:42am:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Ye Grappler wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 12:02am:
True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....


Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.


Since when have refugees from the ME & nth Africa been a "skills" based exercise?

That's laughable when they are deporting skilled residents who not only got their qualifications here they've also had children here.


Refugees are not part of the skilled migration intake, Gonads.

You really should read the posts before commenting, dear.


Why? ... I read what you wrote further back ... doesn't mean I have to take that as gospel dearie.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Gnads on May 7th, 2019 at 1:04pm

mothra wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:33am:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
The big unaccounted intake comes from students.


I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.


Sure, but not long after that, IT was taken off the list.


What do you mean by this?

I ask because someone i care very much about is about to undertake a IT course under a student VISA with the hope of staying here.

The crazy thing in his case is that he has to quit full time employment (3yrs duration) to undertake the course at massively inflated prices. He's been living here for about 5 years.


Here 5 years on a student visa & then decides to do IT with the intention of staying here?

Him and a lot more, it would seem that the only reason they come on student visas is to get into the country, then work.

Study is an excuse but it's to actually migrate.

If the arse is out of IT what have they been studying for 5 years that is of no value requiring a new course?

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Gnads on May 7th, 2019 at 1:06pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 12:05pm:

Ye Grappler wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:55am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:26am:

Ye Grappler wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 12:04am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:06pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
There are certain skills we need - particularly in rural areas.


Australian sheep-shaggers are unmatched.


Kiwis beat them hands down....


Are ewe done? How's the wether down there?


Ay-Rabs are good with goats.... we need more goat handlers...


Are you worked to the bone? Are you advocating adding goat husbandry to the immigration skills list?


It would be if they were doing animal science dopey.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by capitosinora on May 7th, 2019 at 1:09pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
All sides of Australian politics are hooked on immigration because it bloats the GDP and hides falling income and rising costs.

All Australians are paying a tax for excessive immigration by downward pressure on wages, rising accommodation costs, congested roads and schools, overloaded hospitals, and rising costs of services.

Australia is the only developed country that accepts such high levels of immigration.


The largest number of Australian citizens who were not born in Australia come from England.
Nothing unusual considering that Australia is still a British colony (at least British protectorate).
So what's the problem then?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Australia


Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by mothra on May 7th, 2019 at 1:13pm

Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:04pm:

mothra wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:33am:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
The big unaccounted intake comes from students.


I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.


Sure, but not long after that, IT was taken off the list.


What do you mean by this?

I ask because someone i care very much about is about to undertake a IT course under a student VISA with the hope of staying here.

The crazy thing in his case is that he has to quit full time employment (3yrs duration) to undertake the course at massively inflated prices. He's been living here for about 5 years.


Here 5 years on a student visa & then decides to do IT with the intention of staying here?

Him and a lot more, it would seem that the only reason they come on student visas is to get into the country, then work.

Study is an excuse but it's to actually migrate.

If the arse is out of IT what have they been studying for 5 years that is of no value requiring a new course?


I didn't say he's been on a student VISA.

He's been on a spouse VISA. He's now in a new relationship.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Gnads on May 7th, 2019 at 1:29pm

capitosinora wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:09pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
All sides of Australian politics are hooked on immigration because it bloats the GDP and hides falling income and rising costs.

All Australians are paying a tax for excessive immigration by downward pressure on wages, rising accommodation costs, congested roads and schools, overloaded hospitals, and rising costs of services.

Australia is the only developed country that accepts such high levels of immigration.


The largest number of Australian citizens who were not born in Australia come from England.
Nothing unusual considering that Australia is still a British colony (at least British protectorate).
So what's the problem then?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Australia


The Poms coming to Australia are leaving because the UK is turning into a shytehole.

And we won't be far behind.

Then again there's heaps of areas in the US that are dangerous shyteholes .... so you're not immune either.

Oh & btw your original migrant base isn't much different to Australias .... just a bit older.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Gnads on May 7th, 2019 at 1:34pm

mothra wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:13pm:

Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:04pm:

mothra wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:33am:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
The big unaccounted intake comes from students.


I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.


Sure, but not long after that, IT was taken off the list.


What do you mean by this?

I ask because someone i care very much about is about to undertake a IT course under a student VISA with the hope of staying here.

The crazy thing in his case is that he has to quit full time employment (3yrs duration) to undertake the course at massively inflated prices. He's been living here for about 5 years.


Here 5 years on a student visa & then decides to do IT with the intention of staying here?

Him and a lot more, it would seem that the only reason they come on student visas is to get into the country, then work.

Study is an excuse but it's to actually migrate.

If the arse is out of IT what have they been studying for 5 years that is of no value requiring a new course?


I didn't say he's been on a student VISA.

He's been on a spouse VISA. He's now in a new relationship.


I'd say he should then be .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFEhzS0hYco


You're not the new relationship?   :-? ;D

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Karnal on May 7th, 2019 at 1:36pm

Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 12:58pm:

Abu wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 10:24am:

Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 9:42am:

Abu wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Ye Grappler wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 12:02am:
True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....


Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.


Since when have refugees from the ME & nth Africa been a "skills" based exercise?

That's laughable when they are deporting skilled residents who not only got their qualifications here they've also had children here.


Refugees are not part of the skilled migration intake, Gonads.

You really should read the posts before commenting, dear.


Why? ... I read what you wrote further back ... doesn't mean I have to take that as gospel dearie.


Of course it's gospel. I'm not making it up, dear.

Immigrants are immigrants. Refugees are refugees. We take refugees in as our responsibility to the UNHCR treaty.

In the old days, there was no such distinction. The boats just came. Today, it's tightened up. We only take about 12,000 refugees a year - bugger all, considering the birth rate alone's about 300,000 a year.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 7th, 2019 at 1:44pm

Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:29pm:

capitosinora wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:09pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
All sides of Australian politics are hooked on immigration because it bloats the GDP and hides falling income and rising costs.

All Australians are paying a tax for excessive immigration by downward pressure on wages, rising accommodation costs, congested roads and schools, overloaded hospitals, and rising costs of services.

Australia is the only developed country that accepts such high levels of immigration.


The largest number of Australian citizens who were not born in Australia come from England.
Nothing unusual considering that Australia is still a British colony (at least British protectorate).
So what's the problem then?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Australia


The Poms coming to Australia are leaving because the UK is turning into a shytehole.

And we won't be far behind.

Then again there's heaps of areas in the US that are dangerous shyteholes .... so you're not immune either.

Oh & btw your original migrant base isn't much different to Australias .... just a bit older.


Could I encourage Gnads to return to his ancestral homeland?

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Gnads on May 7th, 2019 at 1:49pm
Bit hard for me as I'm of Irish, English, Scots & Franco- Prussian descent.

And you?

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 7th, 2019 at 3:27pm

Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
Bit hard for me as I'm of Irish, English, Scots & Franco- Prussian descent.

And you?


Your technicolor dream-coat is a clever disguise for a closet pom.

You have the same lineage as Grappler claims, which makes you a genetically displaced person.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Karnal on May 7th, 2019 at 4:29pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 3:27pm:

Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
Bit hard for me as I'm of Irish, English, Scots & Franco- Prussian descent.

And you?


Your technicolor dream-coat is a clever disguise for a closet pom.


Tanned, not tinted.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Zaddo on May 16th, 2019 at 11:56am
I get so frustrated about this topic.  Politicians only care about the next election.  They focus on short term goals. 

How can endless population growth be sustainable?

Australian economics should be focused more on the quality of life for current Australian Citizens and less on constant GDP growth.

Money is not the only factor that affects quality of life!!!


Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by .JaSin. on May 16th, 2019 at 12:06pm

capitosinora wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:09pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
All sides of Australian politics are hooked on immigration because it bloats the GDP and hides falling income and rising costs.

All Australians are paying a tax for excessive immigration by downward pressure on wages, rising accommodation costs, congested roads and schools, overloaded hospitals, and rising costs of services.

Australia is the only developed country that accepts such high levels of immigration.


The largest number of Australian citizens who were not born in Australia come from England.
Nothing unusual considering that Australia is still a British colony (at least British protectorate).
So what's the problem then?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Australia

The Governor-General works for the UK.
The Prime Minister works for the USA (The Harkonnens).
The UK works for the USA over there in Europe anyway.
But will the UK one day 'War of Independence' from the USA and join its fellow Europeans? :-?

USA - the wannabe version of the Middle-East. Ruled by Jews and populated by terrorists like Moslems.
...nothing new here people, move along.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by Laugh till you cry on May 16th, 2019 at 12:22pm

.JaSin. wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 12:06pm:

capitosinora wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:09pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
All sides of Australian politics are hooked on immigration because it bloats the GDP and hides falling income and rising costs.

All Australians are paying a tax for excessive immigration by downward pressure on wages, rising accommodation costs, congested roads and schools, overloaded hospitals, and rising costs of services.

Australia is the only developed country that accepts such high levels of immigration.


The largest number of Australian citizens who were not born in Australia come from England.
Nothing unusual considering that Australia is still a British colony (at least British protectorate).
So what's the problem then?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Australia

The Governor-General works for the UK.
The Prime Minister works for the USA (The Harkonnens).
The UK works for the USA over there in Europe anyway.
But will the UK one day 'War of Independence' from the USA and join its fellow Europeans? :-?

USA - the wannabe version of the Middle-East. Ruled by Jews and populated by terrorists like Moslems.
...nothing new here people, move along.


Australia is underneath an incestual geopolitical orgy.

Title: Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Post by PZ547 on May 16th, 2019 at 2:01pm
I'm pretty much used to it now

Take people as you find them.  Works out best

and the way science is cracking along, they'll find ways to turn Oz into a paradise

even Barnaby's thinking positive and wants to build numerous new dams

no one is going to halt immigration so may as well go with the flow



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