Link.

And.....there are now TWO significant legal actions on foot here.  One started today against Uber itself and the other (totally separate from the first) commenced in March is against the Qld Government.

Game seriously on.

Will it stop cabs stink like curry farts?

Gordon wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 4:38pm:

Will it stop cabs stink like curry farts?

Drivers will be banned from footpath shitting!

;)

Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy.

Not always, but generally speaking.

100% of the times that I've been in an Uber, they've been clean & air-conditioned, and the drivers have been friendly and polite.

Moreover, the Uber fares are always at least 50% less than that of a taxi.

I have sympathy for struggling taxi drivers, however, the taxi companies have been screwing us punters for too long.

It's about time we got something going our way.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 8:47pm:

Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. Not always, but generally speaking. 100% of the times that I've been in an Uber, they've been clean & air-conditioned, and the drivers have been friendly and polite. Moreover, the Uber fares are always at least 50% less than that of a taxi. I have sympathy for struggling taxi drivers, however, the taxi companies have been screwing us punters for too long. It's about time we got something going our way.

The taxi industry had ages to lift their game after Uber arrived but thought they were arrogant and thought things would never change.

The booking system for companies like 1300cabs is now better but it's still a 50/50 change you'll get a sewer on wheels.

Uber are 100% perfect every time. No 2GB or Indian music blaring at you and you get interesting and polite drivers.

My mum reckons most of them even help her in with the shopping.

Gordon wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 4:38pm:

Will it stop cabs stink like curry farts?

And the greasy beaded seat covers. Yuck!

AiA wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 10:16pm:

Gordon wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 4:38pm: Will it stop cabs stink like curry farts? And the greasy beaded seat covers. Yuck!

Apparently if you get 1000 used Indian taxi beaded seat covers and boil them up then distill the water down to one drop, you end up with an aphrodisiac that will make any woman crazy with desire.

Gordon wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 10:25pm:

AiA wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 10:16pm: Gordon wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 4:38pm: Will it stop cabs stink like curry farts? And the greasy beaded seat covers. Yuck! Apparently if you get 1000 used Indian taxi beaded seat covers and boil them up then distill the water down to one drop, you end up with an aphrodisiac that will make any woman crazy with desire.

No, that is no aphrodisiac Gordon, at least not to us, that is a potent rape drug. One drop knocks her out so every man in the village can take part.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 8:47pm:

Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. Not always, but generally speaking. 100% of the times that I've been in an Uber, they've been clean & air-conditioned, and the drivers have been friendly and polite. Moreover, the Uber fares are always at least 50% less than that of a taxi. I have sympathy for struggling taxi drivers, however, the taxi companies have been screwing us punters for too long. It's about time we got something going our way.

And the Uber driver gets less ... despite all the BS to the contrary.

Now there's another company operating .... called

"Ola" .... and Gordy it's Indian owned and run.  ;D

They advertise that the driver gets a bigger share of the fare ...  ;D but they lose it behind the scenes with fees & charges to the company.

They come in at low prices but have a system that kicks in after they get you on board they start as they call it "price surging" aka price gouging.

Their reputation prior to starting outside of India isn't good ... like Indias Dodgy Bros the Adanis in comes another foreign Ride Share company of the same ilk.

That they use a name that sounds Spanish instead of Indian speaks of what are they hiding?

Taiksee Taiksee ... Jaldee jaldee  ;D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ola_Cabs

Gordon wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 8:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:47pm: Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. Not always, but generally speaking. 100% of the times that I've been in an Uber, they've been clean & air-conditioned, and the drivers have been friendly and polite. Moreover, the Uber fares are always at least 50% less than that of a taxi. I have sympathy for struggling taxi drivers, however, the taxi companies have been screwing us punters for too long. It's about time we got something going our way. The taxi industry had ages to lift their game after Uber arrived but thought they were arrogant and thought things would never change. The booking system for companies like 1300cabs is now better but it's still a 50/50 change you'll get a sewer on wheels. Uber are 100% perfect every time. No 2GB or Indian music blaring at you and you get interesting and polite drivers. My mum reckons most of them even help her in with the shopping.

I am not a taxi user... so cannot talk about service..

what I am talking about is.. the unfairness that someone who has bought a business... and thats what a taxi licence is.. a business.


which until UBER   it was required by govt made laws....to have one.......

same as a liquor licence..

imagine someone setting up a stall selling grog at lower prices because they dont have to buy a liquor licence????...

these people in good faith.. bought this business maybe for their retirement  ... and suddenly its worthless....

because of convenient rule changes...

I would be devastated to be honest and I doubt anyone of you  would shrug and walk away.....if you had paid a fortune  either.... >:( >:(

a lot of decent people are affected by this......

as fair go aussies   you should be behind these owner drivers   

I dont care what country they come from..they need our support...

cods wrote on May 4^th, 2019 at 11:24am:

Gordon wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:47pm: Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. Not always, but generally speaking. 100% of the times that I've been in an Uber, they've been clean & air-conditioned, and the drivers have been friendly and polite. Moreover, the Uber fares are always at least 50% less than that of a taxi. I have sympathy for struggling taxi drivers, however, the taxi companies have been screwing us punters for too long. It's about time we got something going our way. The taxi industry had ages to lift their game after Uber arrived but thought they were arrogant and thought things would never change. The booking system for companies like 1300cabs is now better but it's still a 50/50 change you'll get a sewer on wheels. Uber are 100% perfect every time. No 2GB or Indian music blaring at you and you get interesting and polite drivers. My mum reckons most of them even help her in with the shopping. I am not a taxi user... so cannot talk about service.. what I am talking about is.. the unfairness that someone who has bought a business... and thats what a taxi licence is.. a business. which until UBER   it was required by govt made laws....to have one....... same as a liquor licence.. imagine someone setting up a stall selling grog at lower prices because they dont have to buy a liquor licence????... these people in good faith.. bought this business maybe for their retirement  ... and suddenly its worthless.... because of convenient rule changes... I would be devastated to be honest and I doubt anyone of you  would shrug and walk away.....if you had paid a fortune  either.... >:( >:( a lot of decent people are affected by this...... as fair go aussies   you should be behind these owner drivers    I dont care what country they come from..they need our support...

I agree!

I only ever use cabs stuff Uber!

>:(

cods wrote on May 4^th, 2019 at 11:24am:

Gordon wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:47pm: Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. Not always, but generally speaking. 100% of the times that I've been in an Uber, they've been clean & air-conditioned, and the drivers have been friendly and polite. Moreover, the Uber fares are always at least 50% less than that of a taxi. I have sympathy for struggling taxi drivers, however, the taxi companies have been screwing us punters for too long. It's about time we got something going our way. The taxi industry had ages to lift their game after Uber arrived but thought they were arrogant and thought things would never change. The booking system for companies like 1300cabs is now better but it's still a 50/50 change you'll get a sewer on wheels. Uber are 100% perfect every time. No 2GB or Indian music blaring at you and you get interesting and polite drivers. My mum reckons most of them even help her in with the shopping. I am not a taxi user... so cannot talk about service.. what I am talking about is.. the unfairness that someone who has bought a business... and thats what a taxi licence is.. a business. which until UBER   it was required by govt made laws....to have one....... same as a liquor licence.. imagine someone setting up a stall selling grog at lower prices because they dont have to buy a liquor licence????... these people in good faith.. bought this business maybe for their retirement  ... and suddenly its worthless.... because of convenient rule changes... I would be devastated to be honest and I doubt anyone of you  would shrug and walk away.....if you had paid a fortune  either.... >:( >:( a lot of decent people are affected by this...... as fair go aussies   you should be behind these owner drivers    I dont care what country they come from..they need our support...

I'd be behind the taxi owner drivers more if it wasn't for the fact that they've been ripping me off and giving me poor service for the last 35 years or so.

I don't want to see anyone lose their jobs, however, I'm not going to continue to pay outrageously inflated prices for an inferior service either.

That's just madness.

Uber gives me faster, more reliable, friendlier, cleaner, and a much cheaper service - I'd be crazy to go back to taxis.

If you had the choice between a dirty restaurant with rude waiters, seats smelling of cigarette smoke, second rate food, and a bill of $50 or, a clean, air-conditioned restaurant with friendly waiters, clean tables & chairs, fresh & tasty food, and a final bill of only $25, which would you choose?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2019 at 12:35pm:

cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 11:24am: Gordon wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:47pm: Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. Not always, but generally speaking. 100% of the times that I've been in an Uber, they've been clean & air-conditioned, and the drivers have been friendly and polite. Moreover, the Uber fares are always at least 50% less than that of a taxi. I have sympathy for struggling taxi drivers, however, the taxi companies have been screwing us punters for too long. It's about time we got something going our way. The taxi industry had ages to lift their game after Uber arrived but thought they were arrogant and thought things would never change. The booking system for companies like 1300cabs is now better but it's still a 50/50 change you'll get a sewer on wheels. Uber are 100% perfect every time. No 2GB or Indian music blaring at you and you get interesting and polite drivers. My mum reckons most of them even help her in with the shopping. I am not a taxi user... so cannot talk about service.. what I am talking about is.. the unfairness that someone who has bought a business... and thats what a taxi licence is.. a business. which until UBER   it was required by govt made laws....to have one....... same as a liquor licence.. imagine someone setting up a stall selling grog at lower prices because they dont have to buy a liquor licence????... these people in good faith.. bought this business maybe for their retirement  ... and suddenly its worthless.... because of convenient rule changes... I would be devastated to be honest and I doubt anyone of you  would shrug and walk away.....if you had paid a fortune  either.... >:( >:( a lot of decent people are affected by this...... as fair go aussies   you should be behind these owner drivers    I dont care what country they come from..they need our support... I'd be behind the taxi owner drivers more if it wasn't for the fact that they've been ripping me off and giving me poor service for the last 35 years or so. I don't want to see anyone lose their jobs, however, I'm not going to continue to pay outrageously inflated prices for an inferior service either. That's just madness. Uber gives me faster, more reliable, friendlier, cleaner, and a much cheaper service - I'd be crazy to go back to taxis. If you had the choice between a dirty restaurant with rude waiters, seats smelling of cigarette smoke, second rate food, and a bill of $50 or, a clean, air-conditioned restaurant with friendly waiters, clean tables & chairs, fresh & tasty food, and a final bill of only $25, which would you choose?

like I pointed out greg   I havent used a taxi or uber in years.....so I cant say anything about service   and to tar all taxi owners with the same brush  is the same as calling all Muslims terrorists....

it isnt the right thing to do.. >:(

we are talking about someones INVESTMENT actually being STOLEN FROM THEM>..

they didnt ask to BUY A LICENCE...

the govt made that ruling.....and with that ruling went certain... certainties that now no longer exist...

and I believe that is WRONG... they should be compensated...

now because you have had a bad deal in you neck of the woods  every taxi owner in OZ  will have to lump it as far you are concerned...

I find your reasoning.... well unreasonable. >:(

cods wrote on May 4^th, 2019 at 1:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 12:35pm: cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 11:24am: Gordon wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:47pm: Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. Not always, but generally speaking. 100% of the times that I've been in an Uber, they've been clean & air-conditioned, and the drivers have been friendly and polite. Moreover, the Uber fares are always at least 50% less than that of a taxi. I have sympathy for struggling taxi drivers, however, the taxi companies have been screwing us punters for too long. It's about time we got something going our way. The taxi industry had ages to lift their game after Uber arrived but thought they were arrogant and thought things would never change. The booking system for companies like 1300cabs is now better but it's still a 50/50 change you'll get a sewer on wheels. Uber are 100% perfect every time. No 2GB or Indian music blaring at you and you get interesting and polite drivers. My mum reckons most of them even help her in with the shopping. I am not a taxi user... so cannot talk about service.. what I am talking about is.. the unfairness that someone who has bought a business... and thats what a taxi licence is.. a business. which until UBER   it was required by govt made laws....to have one....... same as a liquor licence.. imagine someone setting up a stall selling grog at lower prices because they dont have to buy a liquor licence????... these people in good faith.. bought this business maybe for their retirement  ... and suddenly its worthless.... because of convenient rule changes... I would be devastated to be honest and I doubt anyone of you  would shrug and walk away.....if you had paid a fortune  either.... >:( >:( a lot of decent people are affected by this...... as fair go aussies   you should be behind these owner drivers    I dont care what country they come from..they need our support... I'd be behind the taxi owner drivers more if it wasn't for the fact that they've been ripping me off and giving me poor service for the last 35 years or so. I don't want to see anyone lose their jobs, however, I'm not going to continue to pay outrageously inflated prices for an inferior service either. That's just madness. Uber gives me faster, more reliable, friendlier, cleaner, and a much cheaper service - I'd be crazy to go back to taxis. If you had the choice between a dirty restaurant with rude waiters, seats smelling of cigarette smoke, second rate food, and a bill of $50 or, a clean, air-conditioned restaurant with friendly waiters, clean tables & chairs, fresh & tasty food, and a final bill of only $25, which would you choose? like I pointed out greg   I havent used a taxi or uber in years.....so I cant say anything about service   and to tar all taxi owners with the same brush  is the same as calling all Muslims terrorists.... it isnt the right thing to do.. >:(

Please read my previous post, cods:

"Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy.

"Not always, but generally speaking."

"Not always, but generally speaking."



NO THEY ARE NOT..

your experience means bugger all  when you are talking the whole of Australia..

just because the laws on health and cleanliness in WA is lousy ..

doesnt mean  everywhere else is the same..

might as well say all public transport is the same......

and it isnt! >:(.

cods wrote on May 4^th, 2019 at 2:45pm:

"Not always, but generally speaking." NO THEY ARE NOT.. your experience means bugger all  when you are talking the whole of Australia.. just because the laws on health and cleanliness in WA is lousy .. doesnt mean  everywhere else is the same.. might as well say all public transport is the same...... and it isnt! >:(.

I've caught taxis in every Australian state & territory and, generally speaking, it's usually not a good experience.

I have had good experiences - in clean cars, with friendly drivers - but not that many.

More bad than good.

In my experience - which is quite extensive - taxis in Australia generally offer a rather poor, massively overpriced service.

My experience with Uber, however, has been very good.

That might change in the future, who knows.

Hitherto, though, I've always had clean cars, polite drivers, and very, very cheap fares.

Again cods, I ask you this:

If you had the choice between a dirty restaurant with rude waiters, seats smelling of cigarette smoke, second rate food, and a bill of $50 or, a clean, air-conditioned restaurant with friendly waiters, clean tables & chairs, fresh & tasty food, and a final bill of only $25, which would you choose?

You'd rather go cheap ...

where despite the claims by the foreign ride/share companies

drivers are paid less, therefore have to work longer to try and make it pay.

For you being someone who has been a worker advocate I find that an interesting turn.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2019 at 2:39pm:

cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 1:41pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 12:35pm: cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 11:24am: Gordon wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:47pm: Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. Not always, but generally speaking. 100% of the times that I've been in an Uber, they've been clean & air-conditioned, and the drivers have been friendly and polite. Moreover, the Uber fares are always at least 50% less than that of a taxi. I have sympathy for struggling taxi drivers, however, the taxi companies have been screwing us punters for too long. It's about time we got something going our way. The taxi industry had ages to lift their game after Uber arrived but thought they were arrogant and thought things would never change. The booking system for companies like 1300cabs is now better but it's still a 50/50 change you'll get a sewer on wheels. Uber are 100% perfect every time. No 2GB or Indian music blaring at you and you get interesting and polite drivers. My mum reckons most of them even help her in with the shopping. I am not a taxi user... so cannot talk about service.. what I am talking about is.. the unfairness that someone who has bought a business... and thats what a taxi licence is.. a business. which until UBER   it was required by govt made laws....to have one....... same as a liquor licence.. imagine someone setting up a stall selling grog at lower prices because they dont have to buy a liquor licence????... these people in good faith.. bought this business maybe for their retirement  ... and suddenly its worthless.... because of convenient rule changes... I would be devastated to be honest and I doubt anyone of you  would shrug and walk away.....if you had paid a fortune  either.... >:( >:( a lot of decent people are affected by this...... as fair go aussies   you should be behind these owner drivers    I dont care what country they come from..they need our support... I'd be behind the taxi owner drivers more if it wasn't for the fact that they've been ripping me off and giving me poor service for the last 35 years or so. I don't want to see anyone lose their jobs, however, I'm not going to continue to pay outrageously inflated prices for an inferior service either. That's just madness. Uber gives me faster, more reliable, friendlier, cleaner, and a much cheaper service - I'd be crazy to go back to taxis. If you had the choice between a dirty restaurant with rude waiters, seats smelling of cigarette smoke, second rate food, and a bill of $50 or, a clean, air-conditioned restaurant with friendly waiters, clean tables & chairs, fresh & tasty food, and a final bill of only $25, which would you choose? like I pointed out greg   I havent used a taxi or uber in years.....so I cant say anything about service   and to tar all taxi owners with the same brush  is the same as calling all Muslims terrorists.... it isnt the right thing to do.. >:( Please read my previous post, cods: "Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. "Not always, but generally speaking."

Thats a lot of BS, I use cabs fairly often and they are always clean and not smelly.

Aussie baiting I suspect!

>:(

Worth a mention as well is the

$5000/year paid by taxis to the government here in the ACT  to operate

vs $100/year paid by the Uber operators

It's all a loosing battle, Driverless cars will be here in a few years and anyone that doesn't mind sharing their car can. Car services with drivers will be to expensive to compete. ;)

Redmond Neck wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 11:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 2:39pm: cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 1:41pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 12:35pm: cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 11:24am: Gordon wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:47pm: Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. Not always, but generally speaking. 100% of the times that I've been in an Uber, they've been clean & air-conditioned, and the drivers have been friendly and polite. Moreover, the Uber fares are always at least 50% less than that of a taxi. I have sympathy for struggling taxi drivers, however, the taxi companies have been screwing us punters for too long. It's about time we got something going our way. The taxi industry had ages to lift their game after Uber arrived but thought they were arrogant and thought things would never change. The booking system for companies like 1300cabs is now better but it's still a 50/50 change you'll get a sewer on wheels. Uber are 100% perfect every time. No 2GB or Indian music blaring at you and you get interesting and polite drivers. My mum reckons most of them even help her in with the shopping. I am not a taxi user... so cannot talk about service.. what I am talking about is.. the unfairness that someone who has bought a business... and thats what a taxi licence is.. a business. which until UBER   it was required by govt made laws....to have one....... same as a liquor licence.. imagine someone setting up a stall selling grog at lower prices because they dont have to buy a liquor licence????... these people in good faith.. bought this business maybe for their retirement  ... and suddenly its worthless.... because of convenient rule changes... I would be devastated to be honest and I doubt anyone of you  would shrug and walk away.....if you had paid a fortune  either.... >:( >:( a lot of decent people are affected by this...... as fair go aussies   you should be behind these owner drivers    I dont care what country they come from..they need our support... I'd be behind the taxi owner drivers more if it wasn't for the fact that they've been ripping me off and giving me poor service for the last 35 years or so. I don't want to see anyone lose their jobs, however, I'm not going to continue to pay outrageously inflated prices for an inferior service either. That's just madness. Uber gives me faster, more reliable, friendlier, cleaner, and a much cheaper service - I'd be crazy to go back to taxis. If you had the choice between a dirty restaurant with rude waiters, seats smelling of cigarette smoke, second rate food, and a bill of $50 or, a clean, air-conditioned restaurant with friendly waiters, clean tables & chairs, fresh & tasty food, and a final bill of only $25, which would you choose? like I pointed out greg   I havent used a taxi or uber in years.....so I cant say anything about service   and to tar all taxi owners with the same brush  is the same as calling all Muslims terrorists.... it isnt the right thing to do.. >:( Please read my previous post, cods: "Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. "Not always, but generally speaking." Thats a lot of BS, I use cabs fairly often and they are always clean and not smelly.

Well, that's good.

My experiences haven't been so good.

Until they lift their game (e.g. cut their fares in half), I won't be using taxis again.

Gnads wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 10:55am:

You'd rather go cheap ... where despite the claims by the foreign ride/share companies drivers are paid less, therefore have to work longer to try and make it pay. For you being someone who has been a worker advocate I find that an interesting turn.

I always speak to the drivers and ask them about their Uber experience.

The majority of the time - not all, but the majority - they say that they do it more as a hobby.

Something to get them out of the house and away from the kids/wife/husband/dogs/whatever for a while.

I haven't met one yet who says it's their fulltime job and/or that they're struggling to make ends meet.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 12:00pm:

Gnads wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 10:55am: You'd rather go cheap ... where despite the claims by the foreign ride/share companies drivers are paid less, therefore have to work longer to try and make it pay. For you being someone who has been a worker advocate I find that an interesting turn. I always speak to the drivers and ask them about their Uber experience. The majority of the time - not all, but the majority - they say that they do it more as a hobby. Something to get them out of the house and away from the kids/wife/husband/dogs/whatever for a while. I haven't met one yet who says it's their fulltime job and/or that they're struggling to make ends meet.

Theiving arseholes in my opinion

Pay sfa to operate against taxis that pay something like $5000 per year! (in the ACT that is )

Not to mention the vast sums what some have paid for the TAXI licences in the past!

Bah!!!!  :(

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 12:00pm:

Gnads wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 10:55am: You'd rather go cheap ... where despite the claims by the foreign ride/share companies drivers are paid less, therefore have to work longer to try and make it pay. For you being someone who has been a worker advocate I find that an interesting turn. I always speak to the drivers and ask them about their Uber experience. The majority of the time - not all, but the majority - they say that they do it more as a hobby. Something to get them out of the house and away from the kids/wife/husband/dogs/whatever for a while. I haven't met one yet who says it's their fulltime job and/or that they're struggling to make ends meet.

Well Mr Peccerry...watch this space.  Right now, as I type, very serious consideration is being given to suing every Uber driver, in-house employee and Banks who assisted Uber in its criminal activity.  If that happens, watch the hobbyist and bored Husbands have a different attitude.  The only thing which might save those drivers and employees is the innate reluctance of Aussies to bash a 'mate,' but the more I read about that sort of hobbyist bored Husband cavalier attitude to blatantly breaking the Law to destroy a legitimate legal operator, the more I am inclined to sink their cocky boats.

Aussie wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 3:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:00pm: Gnads wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 10:55am: You'd rather go cheap ... where despite the claims by the foreign ride/share companies drivers are paid less, therefore have to work longer to try and make it pay. For you being someone who has been a worker advocate I find that an interesting turn. I always speak to the drivers and ask them about their Uber experience. The majority of the time - not all, but the majority - they say that they do it more as a hobby. Something to get them out of the house and away from the kids/wife/husband/dogs/whatever for a while. I haven't met one yet who says it's their fulltime job and/or that they're struggling to make ends meet. Well Mr Peccerry...watch this space.  Right now, as I type, very serious consideration is being given to suing every Uber driver, in-house employee and Banks who assisted Uber in its criminal activity.  If that happens, watch the hobbyist and bored Husbands have a different attitude.  The only thing which might save those drivers and employees is the innate reluctance of Aussies to bash a 'mate,' but the more I read about that sort of hobbyist bored Husband cavalier attitude to blatantly breaking the Law to destroy a legitimate legal operator, the more I am inclined to sink their cocky boats.

Might be worth a GETUP funding campaign Aussie!

Redmond Neck wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 3:34pm:

Aussie wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 3:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:00pm: Gnads wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 10:55am: You'd rather go cheap ... where despite the claims by the foreign ride/share companies drivers are paid less, therefore have to work longer to try and make it pay. For you being someone who has been a worker advocate I find that an interesting turn. I always speak to the drivers and ask them about their Uber experience. The majority of the time - not all, but the majority - they say that they do it more as a hobby. Something to get them out of the house and away from the kids/wife/husband/dogs/whatever for a while. I haven't met one yet who says it's their fulltime job and/or that they're struggling to make ends meet. Well Mr Peccerry...watch this space.  Right now, as I type, very serious consideration is being given to suing every Uber driver, in-house employee and Banks who assisted Uber in its criminal activity.  If that happens, watch the hobbyist and bored Husbands have a different attitude.  The only thing which might save those drivers and employees is the innate reluctance of Aussies to bash a 'mate,' but the more I read about that sort of hobbyist bored Husband cavalier attitude to blatantly breaking the Law to destroy a legitimate legal operator, the more I am inclined to sink their cocky boats. Might be worth a GETUP funding campaign Aussie!

Good idea, but it is likely that the Industry will adhere to a mantra Mr Peccerry might recognise....."The people united will never be defeated."

But...I will pass that idea on.

Redmond Neck wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:00pm: Gnads wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 10:55am: You'd rather go cheap ... where despite the claims by the foreign ride/share companies drivers are paid less, therefore have to work longer to try and make it pay. For you being someone who has been a worker advocate I find that an interesting turn. I always speak to the drivers and ask them about their Uber experience. The majority of the time - not all, but the majority - they say that they do it more as a hobby. Something to get them out of the house and away from the kids/wife/husband/dogs/whatever for a while. I haven't met one yet who says it's their fulltime job and/or that they're struggling to make ends meet. Theiving arseholes in my opinion Pay sfa to operate against taxis that pay something like $5000 per year! (in the ACT that is ) Not to mention the vast sums what some have paid for the TAXI licences in the past! Bah!!!!  :(

It's not the Uber drivers' fault that those ridiculous fees apply to taxi drivers.

I feel sorry for the taxi drivers - I really do.

But, as a consumer, paying (at least) twice the price for half the service is pure insanity.

If you had the choice between a dirty restaurant with rude waiters, seats smelling of cigarette smoke, second rate food, and a bill of $50 or, a clean, air-conditioned restaurant with friendly waiters, clean tables & chairs, fresh & tasty food, and a final bill of only $25, which would you choose?

I resisted using Uber for a very long time, as I though the taxi industry might lift its game.

Well, it didn't.

They've had a monopoly for too long, and now they don't know how to handle competition.

Mr Peccerry, you keep missing the essential point...Uber ran (with driver, employee and Bank support) illegally.  Not one person in the Taxi Industry could complain if Uber was forced to comply with the licensing requirements of the Taxi Industry.

If I did not pay an alcohol tax (like Pubs etc do) I could sell booze to you at least half of the cost you presently pay.  You must understand this....Government created and regulated the monopoly as they do with Pubs etc.  That is exactly why people invested in Licences.

We don't know how to handle competition???? Mate, you are farqed up on this.  We PAY huge bucks that Uber does not.  Is that what you reckon is a 'competition?'

Aussie wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 5:21pm:

Mr Peccerry, you keep missing the essential point...Uber ran (with driver, employee and Bank support) illegally.

How are they getting away with breaking the law?

Some sort of conspiracy?

People are being paid to turn a blind eye?

If it's illegal, why has no one been charged?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 5:42pm:

Aussie wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 5:21pm: Mr Peccerry, you keep missing the essential point...Uber ran (with driver, employee and Bank support) illegally.  How are they getting away with breaking the law? Some sort of conspiracy? People are being paid to turn a blind eye? If it's illegal, why has no one been charged?

Many were in Qld.  Uber paid the fines.  I cannot speak for WA, but I'll bet that Uber entered the market breaking the Law...hence the WA 'buy back' compensation scheme.

But that still does not address several issues and I'll stick to this one.  Here in Qld, I operate because I have a licence Government offered me to enter a heavily regulated monopoly.  I paid big bucks to enter that monopoly via that Government issued Licence.

I don't deny the right of Government to change the Rules (breach the agreement) but I am entitled to due compensation as a consequence of that breach for my loss in the value of that 'big buck' Licence.

Aussie wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 5:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 5:42pm: Aussie wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 5:21pm: Mr Peccerry, you keep missing the essential point...Uber ran (with driver, employee and Bank support) illegally.  How are they getting away with breaking the law? Some sort of conspiracy? People are being paid to turn a blind eye? If it's illegal, why has no one been charged? Many were in Qld.  Uber paid the fines.  I cannot speak for WA, but I'll bet that Uber entered the market breaking the Law...hence the WA 'buy back' compensation scheme. But that still does not address several issues and I'll stick to this one.  Here in Qld, I operate because I have a licence Government offered me to enter a heavily regulated monopoly.  I paid big bucks to enter that monopoly via that Government issued Licence. I don't deny the right of Government to change the Rules (breach the agreement) but I am entitled to due compensation as a consequence of that breach for my loss in the value of that 'big buck' Licence.

Yep, I don't wanna see taxi drivers lose out (I used to do policy work for the PTA here in Perth, in the taxi branch).

However, I'd be a mug to pay twice the price for half the service.

Just like you'd be a mug to buy beer at a Pub when I can sell it to you from the boot of my car for half the price.  Face it Greg, you are aiding and supporting a dark "boot legging" economy.

Redmond Neck wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 11:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 2:39pm: cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 1:41pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 12:35pm: cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 11:24am: Gordon wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:47pm: Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. Not always, but generally speaking. 100% of the times that I've been in an Uber, they've been clean & air-conditioned, and the drivers have been friendly and polite. Moreover, the Uber fares are always at least 50% less than that of a taxi. I have sympathy for struggling taxi drivers, however, the taxi companies have been screwing us punters for too long. It's about time we got something going our way. The taxi industry had ages to lift their game after Uber arrived but thought they were arrogant and thought things would never change. The booking system for companies like 1300cabs is now better but it's still a 50/50 change you'll get a sewer on wheels. Uber are 100% perfect every time. No 2GB or Indian music blaring at you and you get interesting and polite drivers. My mum reckons most of them even help her in with the shopping. I am not a taxi user... so cannot talk about service.. what I am talking about is.. the unfairness that someone who has bought a business... and thats what a taxi licence is.. a business. which until UBER   it was required by govt made laws....to have one....... same as a liquor licence.. imagine someone setting up a stall selling grog at lower prices because they dont have to buy a liquor licence????... these people in good faith.. bought this business maybe for their retirement  ... and suddenly its worthless.... because of convenient rule changes... I would be devastated to be honest and I doubt anyone of you  would shrug and walk away.....if you had paid a fortune  either.... >:( >:( a lot of decent people are affected by this...... as fair go aussies   you should be behind these owner drivers    I dont care what country they come from..they need our support... I'd be behind the taxi owner drivers more if it wasn't for the fact that they've been ripping me off and giving me poor service for the last 35 years or so. I don't want to see anyone lose their jobs, however, I'm not going to continue to pay outrageously inflated prices for an inferior service either. That's just madness. Uber gives me faster, more reliable, friendlier, cleaner, and a much cheaper service - I'd be crazy to go back to taxis. If you had the choice between a dirty restaurant with rude waiters, seats smelling of cigarette smoke, second rate food, and a bill of $50 or, a clean, air-conditioned restaurant with friendly waiters, clean tables & chairs, fresh & tasty food, and a final bill of only $25, which would you choose? like I pointed out greg   I havent used a taxi or uber in years.....so I cant say anything about service   and to tar all taxi owners with the same brush  is the same as calling all Muslims terrorists.... it isnt the right thing to do.. >:( Please read my previous post, cods: "Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. "Not always, but generally speaking." Thats a lot of BS, I use cabs fairly often and they are always clean and not smelly. Aussie baiting I suspect! >:( Worth a mention as well is the $5000/year paid by taxis to the government here in the ACT  to operate vs $100/year paid by the Uber operators

I didnt know that?>.

how does YOUR labor govt justify that red?

Aussie wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:06pm:

Just like you'd be a mug to buy beer at a Pub when I can sell it to you from the boot of my car for half the price.  Face it Greg, you are aiding and supporting a dark "boot legging" economy.

Again I have to ask, if it's illegal, how are they still operating?

I know a police officer here in Perth who catches an Uber to work every day.

Why hasn't he arrested his drivers if what they're doing is illegal?

How can an illegal operation be going on in full view of the police etc., with absolutely nothing being done about it?

If the police tell me tomorrow that it's an illegal operation, I'll delete the app immediately.

Until then, I'm not paying twice the price for half the legal service - only an idiot would do that.

I think aussie has told you greg he doesnt know about the laws in WA..

some people and I presume UBER would be no different fight the laws in court....in the mean time its status quo.

did you read reds comment about the rules in ACT.?...


it doesnt seem right unless they have ONLY TAXI RANKS  at airports and railway/bus stations...

of which we are extremely limited in ACT..

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:15pm:

Aussie wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:06pm: Just like you'd be a mug to buy beer at a Pub when I can sell it to you from the boot of my car for half the price.  Face it Greg, you are aiding and supporting a dark "boot legging" economy. [quote]Again I have to ask, if it's illegal, how are they still operating? I know a police officer here in Perth who catches an Uber to work every day. Why hasn't he arrested his drivers if what they're doing is illegal? How can an illegal operation be going on in full view of the police etc., with absolutely nothing being done about it? If the police tell me tomorrow that it's an illegal operation, I'll delete the app immediately. Until then, I'm not paying twice the price for half the legal service - only an idiot would do that.

Because...it is not illegal NOW!!!!!  Come on Greg. 

cods wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:25pm:

I think aussie has told you greg he doesnt know about the laws in WA.. some people and I presume UBER would be no different fight the laws in court....in the mean time its status quo. did you read reds comment about the rules in ACT.?... it doesnt seem right unless they have ONLY TAXI RANKS  at airports and railway/bus stations... of which we are extremely limited in ACT..

It seems that Uber is only illegal in the NT.

"The ACT was the first among Australia's states and territories to legalise Uber, doing so in October last year.

"Its regulations include background checks, vehicle inspections and insurance requirements for drivers."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-11/where-is-uber-legal-in-australia/7719822

Aussie wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:15pm: Aussie wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:06pm: Just like you'd be a mug to buy beer at a Pub when I can sell it to you from the boot of my car for half the price.  Face it Greg, you are aiding and supporting a dark "boot legging" economy. [quote]Again I have to ask, if it's illegal, how are they still operating? I know a police officer here in Perth who catches an Uber to work every day. Why hasn't he arrested his drivers if what they're doing is illegal? How can an illegal operation be going on in full view of the police etc., with absolutely nothing being done about it? If the police tell me tomorrow that it's an illegal operation, I'll delete the app immediately. Until then, I'm not paying twice the price for half the legal service - only an idiot would do that. Because...it is not illegal NOW!!!!!  Come on Greg.

So what's your problem?

I'm getting twice the service for half the price - legally - and you're having a go at me?

Why?

yes and its a LABOR/GREEN govt

so much for looking after their fellow working man...

its the same with trees  here greg..

we were known as the city of trees....

::) ::) ::) ::)

I just wish someone had a list of how many have gone since we got this lot...

it would be in the 100 thousands....   its disgraceful.. :'(

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:28pm:

cods wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:25pm: I think aussie has told you greg he doesnt know about the laws in WA.. some people and I presume UBER would be no different fight the laws in court....in the mean time its status quo. did you read reds comment about the rules in ACT.?... it doesnt seem right unless they have ONLY TAXI RANKS  at airports and railway/bus stations... of which we are extremely limited in ACT.. It seems that Uber is only illegal in the NT. "The ACT was the first among Australia's states and territories to legalise Uber, doing so in October last year. "Its regulations include background checks, vehicle inspections and insurance requirements for drivers." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-11/where-is-uber-legal-in-australia/7719822

Quote:

Western Australia The state has announced a plan to deregulate the taxi industry and allow competitors like Uber to operate, but the Western Australian Government says the full overhaul of the laws is unlikely to be completed before the 2017 election. The plan includes a $27.5 million "transition assistance package" to help the taxi industry adapt. This includes compensation payments of $20,000 for taxi plate owners.

You need to bring yourself up to date Mr Peccerry.

Link.

cods wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:32pm:

yes and its a LABOR/GREEN govt so much for looking after their fellow working man...

As far as I know, Uber drivers are working men (and women) too.

Why would you deny them a perfectly legal income?

.

Aussie wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:28pm: cods wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:25pm: I think aussie has told you greg he doesnt know about the laws in WA.. some people and I presume UBER would be no different fight the laws in court....in the mean time its status quo. did you read reds comment about the rules in ACT.?... it doesnt seem right unless they have ONLY TAXI RANKS  at airports and railway/bus stations... of which we are extremely limited in ACT.. It seems that Uber is only illegal in the NT. "The ACT was the first among Australia's states and territories to legalise Uber, doing so in October last year. "Its regulations include background checks, vehicle inspections and insurance requirements for drivers." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-11/where-is-uber-legal-in-australia/7719822 Quote: Western Australia The state has announced a plan to deregulate the taxi industry and allow competitors like Uber to operate, but the Western Australian Government says the full overhaul of the laws is unlikely to be completed before the 2017 election. The plan includes a $27.5 million "transition assistance package" to help the taxi industry adapt. This includes compensation payments of $20,000 for taxi plate owners. You need to bring yourself up to date Mr Peccerry. Link.

Yes or no, Aussie:

Is Uber legal in WA?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:34pm:

cods wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:32pm: yes and its a LABOR/GREEN govt so much for looking after their fellow working man... As far as I know, Uber drivers are working men (and women) too. Why would you deny them a perfectly legal income?

It is legal now Mr Peccerry but it was not when you were happily jumping into illegal Ubers when they arrived in WA.  The WA Government is well aware it has an issue.

Link.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:15pm:

Again I have to ask, if it's illegal, how are they still operating?

the authorities have decided that they can't stop it so they won't bother. 

People like aussie paid up to $250 000 for a taxi plates (that was the going rate in Wollongong about 20 years ago), then more annual fee's to maintain them, plus hefty insurance costs. Their charges reflect that. They have to recoup costs. Uber drivers on the other hand have zero start up costs (or almost zero), a fraction of the ongoing costs and most aren't insured for commercial use.

Aussies plates are now almost worthless. He's never going to get his $250 000 each back.

Uber is legal here in WA.

They provide me with a faster, friendlier, and cleaner service than our taxis do.

Moreover, they provide it at at least half the price of a taxi.

And,the drivers I've spoken to have all said that they are happy in their jobs, and don't feel exploited at all.

So, can someone tell me what the problem is here?

John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:15pm: Again I have to ask, if it's illegal, how are they still operating? the authorities have decided that they can't stop it so they won't bother.  People like aussie paid up to $250 000 for a taxi plates (that was the going rate in Wollongong about 20 years ago), then more annual fee's to maintain them, plus hefty insurance costs. Their charges reflect that. They have to recoup costs. Uber drivers on the other hand have zero start up costs (or almost zero), a fraction of the ongoing costs and most aren't insured for commercial use. Aussies plates are now almost worthless. He's never going to get his $250 000 each back.

Yes, and that sucks big time.

However, it's not my fault or the fault of my Uber drivers.

As I've said several times before, I sympathise with taxi drivers.

It's a poo industry.  Always has been.

Stupidly high fees, and ridiculously long hours for very little pay.

However, I refuse to pay twice the price for half the service.

I'm not a mug.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

However, I refuse to pay twice the price for half the service.

don't look at me .... I'll be lucky to have caught 3 taxi's in the last ten years, and I've never used Uber.

I have a permanent designated driver as my wife is a teetotaller ;)

cods wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:14pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 11:12am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 2:39pm: cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 1:41pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 12:35pm: cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 11:24am: Gordon wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:47pm: Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. Not always, but generally speaking. 100% of the times that I've been in an Uber, they've been clean & air-conditioned, and the drivers have been friendly and polite. Moreover, the Uber fares are always at least 50% less than that of a taxi. I have sympathy for struggling taxi drivers, however, the taxi companies have been screwing us punters for too long. It's about time we got something going our way. The taxi industry had ages to lift their game after Uber arrived but thought they were arrogant and thought things would never change. The booking system for companies like 1300cabs is now better but it's still a 50/50 change you'll get a sewer on wheels. Uber are 100% perfect every time. No 2GB or Indian music blaring at you and you get interesting and polite drivers. My mum reckons most of them even help her in with the shopping. I am not a taxi user... so cannot talk about service.. what I am talking about is.. the unfairness that someone who has bought a business... and thats what a taxi licence is.. a business. which until UBER   it was required by govt made laws....to have one....... same as a liquor licence.. imagine someone setting up a stall selling grog at lower prices because they dont have to buy a liquor licence????... these people in good faith.. bought this business maybe for their retirement  ... and suddenly its worthless.... because of convenient rule changes... I would be devastated to be honest and I doubt anyone of you  would shrug and walk away.....if you had paid a fortune  either.... >:( >:( a lot of decent people are affected by this...... as fair go aussies   you should be behind these owner drivers    I dont care what country they come from..they need our support... I'd be behind the taxi owner drivers more if it wasn't for the fact that they've been ripping me off and giving me poor service for the last 35 years or so. I don't want to see anyone lose their jobs, however, I'm not going to continue to pay outrageously inflated prices for an inferior service either. That's just madness. Uber gives me faster, more reliable, friendlier, cleaner, and a much cheaper service - I'd be crazy to go back to taxis. If you had the choice between a dirty restaurant with rude waiters, seats smelling of cigarette smoke, second rate food, and a bill of $50 or, a clean, air-conditioned restaurant with friendly waiters, clean tables & chairs, fresh & tasty food, and a final bill of only $25, which would you choose? like I pointed out greg   I havent used a taxi or uber in years.....so I cant say anything about service   and to tar all taxi owners with the same brush  is the same as calling all Muslims terrorists.... it isnt the right thing to do.. >:( Please read my previous post, cods: "Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. "Not always, but generally speaking." Thats a lot of BS, I use cabs fairly often and they are always clean and not smelly. Aussie baiting I suspect! >:( Worth a mention as well is the $5000/year paid by taxis to the government here in the ACT  to operate vs $100/year paid by the Uber operators I didnt know that?>. how does YOUR labor govt justify that red?

It is OUR government cods !

Or have you moved?  ;)

Quote:

the authorities have decided that they can't stop it so they won't bother.

Here, they put up token resistance but Uber rode into Town with huge bucks and therefore big guns.  They openly defied Government (that is what they did everywhere) with the depth of their pockets lined with Saudi money.  Government caved.  Okay...they can pay 'me' for their failure to keep to the bargain we had.

John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:44pm: However, I refuse to pay twice the price for half the service. don't look at me .... I'll be lucky to have caught 3 taxi's in the last ten years, and I've never used Uber. I have a permanent designated driver as my wife is a teetotaller ;)

That's the thing - I use them all the time.

If it was just once a year, to go the airport for an OS trip or something, it wouldn't bother me so much.

However, I use taxis/Ubers all the time.

This weekend I've used 5 Ubers, and the total cost was about $64 (2 long trips, and 3 short ones).

If I had used taxis instead, it would have cost me $130.

As our American friends would say, you do the math.

Aussie wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:51pm:

Quote: the authorities have decided that they can't stop it so they won't bother. Here, they put up token resistance but Uber rode into Town with huge bucks and therefore big guns.  They openly defied Government (that is what they did everywhere) with the depth of their pockets lined with Saudi money.  Government caved.  Okay...they can pay 'me' for their failure to keep to the bargain we had.

yeah ... for a while there it was the same with Air Bnb and the hotel industry.

But the hotel industry must have deeper pockets then the taxi industry as local councils have been strengthening restrictions in Air Bnb, at least on the GC. If you want to rent your gold coast property on Air Bnb now, you have to pay $10k a year council license fee, same as a hotel.

John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:57pm:

Aussie wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:51pm: Quote: the authorities have decided that they can't stop it so they won't bother. Here, they put up token resistance but Uber rode into Town with huge bucks and therefore big guns.  They openly defied Government (that is what they did everywhere) with the depth of their pockets lined with Saudi money.  Government caved.  Okay...they can pay 'me' for their failure to keep to the bargain we had. yeah ... for a while there it was the same with Air Bnb and the hotel industry. But the hotel industry must have deeper pockets then the taxi industry as local councils have been strengthening restrictions in Air Bnb, at least on the GC. If you want to rent your gold coast property on Air Bnb now, you have to pay $10k a year council license fee, same as a hotel.

Good move !  ;)

John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:57pm:

Aussie wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:51pm: Quote: the authorities have decided that they can't stop it so they won't bother. Here, they put up token resistance but Uber rode into Town with huge bucks and therefore big guns.  They openly defied Government (that is what they did everywhere) with the depth of their pockets lined with Saudi money.  Government caved.  Okay...they can pay 'me' for their failure to keep to the bargain we had. yeah ... for a while there it was the same with Air Bnb and the hotel industry. But the hotel industry must have deeper pockets then the taxi industry as local councils have been strengthening restrictions in Air Bnb, at least on the GC. If you want to rent your gold coast property on Air Bnb now, you have to pay $10k a year council license fee, same as a hotel.

Well done, GC Council.

That is all the Qld Government had to do with Uber.  Tell them they are quite welcome to use their long pockets to buy a Licence anyone wanted to sell....or tender when Govt decided to release another Licence.

Get it Mr Peccerry? It was a GOVERNMENT created monopoly and that is exactly why I bought in.  My Cabs, my drivers were always spotless and we met every requirement Government imposed on us.  Government and I had a deal.  The government broke the deal.  Fine, pay me for your failure to keep to the deal and we move on.

To address a point you make about how you love Uber so much because it costs you less and the Car/Driver meets your expectations whatever they are.....

Traditionally, Cabs never catered for blokes like you.  We were too busy getting Grandma with her walker to and back from the supermarket or taking a wheelchair person to where they wanted to go.

Those Grannies don't use mobile phone apps so they have no idea how to get an Uber.  Uber does not offer a service to those dependant on wheel chairs.  If we disappear, do you reckon your favourite Uber driver is gonna take Grannies grocery shopping bags up a flight of stairs to her Housing Commission Unit for a $5.00 fare for a journey of less than 200 metres.  If we disappear, who is gonna take that on that wheel chair person?  Not Uber.  All it wants is the cream and to surge its price which we do not do. They gouge, we don't.  We pay our way, they don't.  Still...numpties use them to exploit the Uber driver and not pay a fair price.  What they do pay, Uber pays no tax on here in Australia.  Great stuff Greg.

Mate, you have no idea what the Cab Industry services which Uber will never go anywhere near.

To use a term you'd be familiar with...Uber and its drivers etc are...scabs.

Aussie wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:34pm: cods wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:32pm: yes and its a LABOR/GREEN govt so much for looking after their fellow working man... As far as I know, Uber drivers are working men (and women) too. Why would you deny them a perfectly legal income? It is legal now Mr Peccerry but it was not when you were happily jumping into illegal Ubers when they arrived in WA.  The WA Government is well aware it has an issue. Link.

I wasn't jumping into Ubers when they first arrived in WA.

Reply #25:

"I resisted using Uber for a very long time, as I thought the taxi industry might lift its game."

Moreover, the first time I ever used the Uber app was last Friday.

How could 'we' lift our game given we were burdened by Government imposed regulation (which Uber was not?)

Why are you still supporting 'scabs?'

Aussie wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

How could 'we' lift our game ...

Don't charge me $6.50 just to sit in the cab.

Be polite.

Don't smoke in the cab when there are no passengers (it still stinks like poo when we eventually get in).

Don't play us for fools:

"Sorry guys, but my meter isn't working. It broke down this morning and there's nobody around on the weekends to fix it. So, we need to negotiate a price" (this has happened to me on too many occasions to remember. Usually at the airport).

Don't charge me $15 to go to my local pub, 1.5 km away.

Redmond Neck wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 7:03pm:

John Smith wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:57pm: Aussie wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:51pm: Quote: the authorities have decided that they can't stop it so they won't bother. Here, they put up token resistance but Uber rode into Town with huge bucks and therefore big guns.  They openly defied Government (that is what they did everywhere) with the depth of their pockets lined with Saudi money.  Government caved.  Okay...they can pay 'me' for their failure to keep to the bargain we had. yeah ... for a while there it was the same with Air Bnb and the hotel industry. But the hotel industry must have deeper pockets then the taxi industry as local councils have been strengthening restrictions in Air Bnb, at least on the GC. If you want to rent your gold coast property on Air Bnb now, you have to pay $10k a year council license fee, same as a hotel. Good move !  ;)

sort of. I'm undecided.

I understand why they did it. GC can have over 15 000 properties listed on  Air Bnb at any one time, many of them in residential areas not zoned for tourism.  And if you were using your property for air bnb prior to the introduction of this rule (2016) I understand that you are exempt so people who bought before for this purpose aren't negatively affected. But I don't see why i should have to pay $8k ( i checked, fee is just over $8k and not the $10k I originally claimed) if I have a spare room i wish to rent out occasionally?

The other side of that, i don't think those are the people council are targetting with this rule. It seems to be those buying the property in residential areas with intention of running it as a hotel.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 7:57pm:

Aussie wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 7:50pm: How could 'we' lift our game ... Quote: Don't charge me $6.50 just to sit in the cab. Okay.....so you want to use the facility to get the Cab to your door for nothing?  Call Centres are run by Union members who are paid real wages negotiated by people like your Colleagues.  Do you expect them to work for nothing?  [quote]Be polite.

Sure, would you like fries with that?  Greg, we drive people from A to B day in day out, many times a day. Why do you expect June Dally-Watkins?


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Don't smoke in the cab when there are no passengers (it still stinks like poo when we eventually get in).

It is illegal for a Cab driver to smoke in a Cab...empty or not. No-one here will use a driver who smokes as that stench gets embedded in their uniform, so I will never have a smoker.


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Don't play us for fools: "Sorry guys, but my meter isn't working. It broke down this morning and there's nobody around on the weekends to fix it. So, we need to negotiate a price" (this has happened to me on too many occasions to remember. Usually at the airport). Don't charge me $15 to go to my local pub, 1.5 km away.

Don't be a fool then, Tell him to far cough, ring and get another.

Stop supporting scabs, Mr Peccerry.  Try Cabs for a month, but do not do so expecting that you'll be treated as special royalty.  Cheerily engage with the driver, and he will respond.

When you are next out at midnight wanting a Uber, see what they charge you then and try to justify as just a demand surge.  Does not happen with Cabs.

Stop using scabs, Mr Peccerry.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:02pm:

However, I'd be a mug to pay twice the price for half the service.

That's assuming you can get the taxi service in the first place. There's a reason so many Sydney inner-westies use Uber for airport trips - cabs won't take the fare

John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 6:57pm:

yeah ... for a while there it was the same with Air Bnb and the hotel industry. But the hotel industry must have deeper pockets then the taxi industry as local councils have been strengthening restrictions in Air Bnb, at least on the GC. If you want to rent your gold coast property on Air Bnb now, you have to pay $10k a year council license fee, same as a hotel.

Airbnb is still often a bargain in most American market's but there too the hotel lobby has gotten much of what they asked for. Still, with Airbnb, one can stay at unique properties as opposed to its opposite: a hotel.

Aussie wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 8:54pm:

It is illegal for a Cab driver to smoke in a Cab...empty or not.

It's illegal to speed too.

Tell me Aussie, how many people do you think broke the speed limit on Australian roads today?

I'm curious.

Stig wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 9:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:02pm: However, I'd be a mug to pay twice the price for half the service. That's assuming you can get the taxi service in the first place. There's a reason so many Sydney inner-westies use Uber for airport trips - cabs won't take the fare

Exactly.

Aussie mentioned getting a cab at midnight   ;D

I don't know if you've ever been to Perth Aussie, but it's very difficult to get a taxi at midnight here (after 10pm, they just aren't interested).

And, if it's a Saturday night, forget about it. You have NO chance.

If you can get through to the operator, they'll say they're sending the first available cab.

If you wait until 5 or 6 in the morning, you might just get your ride (maybe).

You think I'm joking? - come to Perth and try it for yourself.

I'm not paying twice the money for half the service, no matter how many times you call them scabs.

Only an idiot would do such a thing.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 10:03pm:

Stig wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 9:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:02pm: However, I'd be a mug to pay twice the price for half the service. That's assuming you can get the taxi service in the first place. There's a reason so many Sydney inner-westies use Uber for airport trips - cabs won't take the fare Exactly. Aussie mentioned getting a cab at midnight   ;D I don't know if you've ever been to Perth Aussie, but it's very difficult to get a taxi at midnight here (after 10pm, they just aren't interested). And, if it's a Saturday night, forget about it. You have NO chance. If you can get through to the operator, they'll say they're sending the first available cab. If you wait until 5 or 6 in the morning, you might just get your ride (maybe). You think I'm joking? - come to Perth and try it for yourself. I'm not paying twice the money for half the service, no matter how many times you call them scabs. Only an idiot would do such a thing.

Well said!

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 10:03pm:

Stig wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 9:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:02pm: However, I'd be a mug to pay twice the price for half the service. That's assuming you can get the taxi service in the first place. There's a reason so many Sydney inner-westies use Uber for airport trips - cabs won't take the fare Exactly. Aussie mentioned getting a cab at midnight   ;D I don't know if you've ever been to Perth Aussie, but it's very difficult to get a taxi at midnight here (after 10pm, they just aren't interested). And, if it's a Saturday night, forget about it. You have NO chance. If you can get through to the operator, they'll say they're sending the first available cab. If you wait until 5 or 6 in the morning, you might just get your ride (maybe). You think I'm joking? - come to Perth and try it for yourself. I'm not paying twice the money for half the service, no matter how many times you call them scabs. Only an idiot would do such a thing.

have you asked BILL to fix it gweg?..

hes in a great mood right now...

ask and ye shall receive..

  :) :) :)

penalty rates for cabbies.. I am sure it will work.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 11:57am:

Redmond Neck wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 11:12am: greggerypeccary wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 2:39pm: cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 1:41pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 12:35pm: cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 11:24am: Gordon wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 8:47pm: Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. Not always, but generally speaking. 100% of the times that I've been in an Uber, they've been clean & air-conditioned, and the drivers have been friendly and polite. Moreover, the Uber fares are always at least 50% less than that of a taxi. I have sympathy for struggling taxi drivers, however, the taxi companies have been screwing us punters for too long. It's about time we got something going our way. The taxi industry had ages to lift their game after Uber arrived but thought they were arrogant and thought things would never change. The booking system for companies like 1300cabs is now better but it's still a 50/50 change you'll get a sewer on wheels. Uber are 100% perfect every time. No 2GB or Indian music blaring at you and you get interesting and polite drivers. My mum reckons most of them even help her in with the shopping. I am not a taxi user... so cannot talk about service.. what I am talking about is.. the unfairness that someone who has bought a business... and thats what a taxi licence is.. a business. which until UBER   it was required by govt made laws....to have one....... same as a liquor licence.. imagine someone setting up a stall selling grog at lower prices because they dont have to buy a liquor licence????... these people in good faith.. bought this business maybe for their retirement  ... and suddenly its worthless.... because of convenient rule changes... I would be devastated to be honest and I doubt anyone of you  would shrug and walk away.....if you had paid a fortune  either.... >:( >:( a lot of decent people are affected by this...... as fair go aussies   you should be behind these owner drivers    I dont care what country they come from..they need our support... I'd be behind the taxi owner drivers more if it wasn't for the fact that they've been ripping me off and giving me poor service for the last 35 years or so. I don't want to see anyone lose their jobs, however, I'm not going to continue to pay outrageously inflated prices for an inferior service either. That's just madness. Uber gives me faster, more reliable, friendlier, cleaner, and a much cheaper service - I'd be crazy to go back to taxis. If you had the choice between a dirty restaurant with rude waiters, seats smelling of cigarette smoke, second rate food, and a bill of $50 or, a clean, air-conditioned restaurant with friendly waiters, clean tables & chairs, fresh & tasty food, and a final bill of only $25, which would you choose? like I pointed out greg   I havent used a taxi or uber in years.....so I cant say anything about service   and to tar all taxi owners with the same brush  is the same as calling all Muslims terrorists.... it isnt the right thing to do.. >:( Please read my previous post, cods: "Generally speaking, taxis are dirty & smelly, and the drivers are arrogant and grumpy. "Not always, but generally speaking." Thats a lot of BS, I use cabs fairly often and they are always clean and not smelly. Well, that's good. My experiences haven't been so good. Until they lift their game (e.g. cut their fares in half), I won't be using taxis again.

So who pays their overheads ... that Uber & OLA doesn't have?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 12:00pm:

Gnads wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 10:55am: You'd rather go cheap ... where despite the claims by the foreign ride/share companies drivers are paid less, therefore have to work longer to try and make it pay. For you being someone who has been a worker advocate I find that an interesting turn. I always speak to the drivers and ask them about their Uber experience. The majority of the time - not all, but the majority - they say that they do it more as a hobby. Something to get them out of the house and away from the kids/wife/husband/dogs/whatever for a while. I haven't met one yet who says it's their fulltime job and/or that they're struggling to make ends meet.

So that justifies a business that in truth doesn't pay it's drivers enough, dodges the state & fed govt taxes and takes the profits off shore?

That doesn't sound like a thing you'd be into Peccar.

Just goes to show how many sides to a coin there really are.  :-?

Redmond Neck wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:00pm: Gnads wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 10:55am: You'd rather go cheap ... where despite the claims by the foreign ride/share companies drivers are paid less, therefore have to work longer to try and make it pay. For you being someone who has been a worker advocate I find that an interesting turn. I always speak to the drivers and ask them about their Uber experience. The majority of the time - not all, but the majority - they say that they do it more as a hobby. Something to get them out of the house and away from the kids/wife/husband/dogs/whatever for a while. I haven't met one yet who says it's their fulltime job and/or that they're struggling to make ends meet. Theiving arseholes in my opinion Pay sfa to operate against taxis that pay something like $5000 per year! (in the ACT that is ) Not to mention the vast sums what some have paid for the TAXI licences in the past! Bah!!!!  :(

$5,000 a year is conservative

I believe it could be as high as $7,000 here in QLD.?

Aussie?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 5:14pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 3:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:00pm: Gnads wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 10:55am: You'd rather go cheap ... where despite the claims by the foreign ride/share companies drivers are paid less, therefore have to work longer to try and make it pay. For you being someone who has been a worker advocate I find that an interesting turn. I always speak to the drivers and ask them about their Uber experience. The majority of the time - not all, but the majority - they say that they do it more as a hobby. Something to get them out of the house and away from the kids/wife/husband/dogs/whatever for a while. I haven't met one yet who says it's their fulltime job and/or that they're struggling to make ends meet. Theiving arseholes in my opinion Pay sfa to operate against taxis that pay something like $5000 per year! (in the ACT that is ) Not to mention the vast sums what some have paid for the TAXI licences in the past! Bah!!!!  :( It's not the Uber drivers' fault that those ridiculous fees apply to taxi drivers. I feel sorry for the taxi drivers - I really do. But, as a consumer, paying (at least) twice the price for half the service is pure insanity. If you had the choice between a dirty restaurant with rude waiters, seats smelling of cigarette smoke, second rate food, and a bill of $50 or, a clean, air-conditioned restaurant with friendly waiters, clean tables & chairs, fresh & tasty food, and a final bill of only $25, which would you choose? I resisted using Uber for a very long time, as I though the taxi industry might lift its game. Well, it didn't. They've had a monopoly for too long, and now they don't know how to handle competition.

Geesus Peccar ..... it's not competition unless it's fair.

Allowing Uber & now Ola an unfair advantage is far from competition.

It's a deliberate act of sabotaging a legally operating business.

A level playing field should be the first consideration in creating competition.

Shouldn't you be adhering to that principle first?

cods wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 8:35am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 10:03pm: Stig wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 9:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:02pm: However, I'd be a mug to pay twice the price for half the service. That's assuming you can get the taxi service in the first place. There's a reason so many Sydney inner-westies use Uber for airport trips - cabs won't take the fare Exactly. Aussie mentioned getting a cab at midnight   ;D I don't know if you've ever been to Perth Aussie, but it's very difficult to get a taxi at midnight here (after 10pm, they just aren't interested). And, if it's a Saturday night, forget about it. You have NO chance. If you can get through to the operator, they'll say they're sending the first available cab. If you wait until 5 or 6 in the morning, you might just get your ride (maybe). You think I'm joking? - come to Perth and try it for yourself. I'm not paying twice the money for half the service, no matter how many times you call them scabs. Only an idiot would do such a thing. have you asked BILL to fix it gweg?.. hes in a great mood right now... ask and ye shall receive..   :) :) :) penalty rates for cabbies.. I am sure it will work.

It's a state government matter.

Nothing to do with Mr Shorten, or Mr Morrison.

Gnads wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 9:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 5:14pm: Redmond Neck wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 3:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:00pm: Gnads wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 10:55am: You'd rather go cheap ... where despite the claims by the foreign ride/share companies drivers are paid less, therefore have to work longer to try and make it pay. For you being someone who has been a worker advocate I find that an interesting turn. I always speak to the drivers and ask them about their Uber experience. The majority of the time - not all, but the majority - they say that they do it more as a hobby. Something to get them out of the house and away from the kids/wife/husband/dogs/whatever for a while. I haven't met one yet who says it's their fulltime job and/or that they're struggling to make ends meet. Theiving arseholes in my opinion Pay sfa to operate against taxis that pay something like $5000 per year! (in the ACT that is ) Not to mention the vast sums what some have paid for the TAXI licences in the past! Bah!!!!  :( It's not the Uber drivers' fault that those ridiculous fees apply to taxi drivers. I feel sorry for the taxi drivers - I really do. But, as a consumer, paying (at least) twice the price for half the service is pure insanity. If you had the choice between a dirty restaurant with rude waiters, seats smelling of cigarette smoke, second rate food, and a bill of $50 or, a clean, air-conditioned restaurant with friendly waiters, clean tables & chairs, fresh & tasty food, and a final bill of only $25, which would you choose? I resisted using Uber for a very long time, as I though the taxi industry might lift its game. Well, it didn't. They've had a monopoly for too long, and now they don't know how to handle competition. Geesus Peccar ..... it's not competition unless it's fair. Allowing Uber & now Ola an unfair advantage is far from competition. It's a deliberate act of sabotaging a legally operating business. A level playing field should be the first consideration in creating competition. Shouldn't you be adhering to that principle first?

That's up to the government.

It's not my fault, or the fault of my friendly Uber drivers.

Would you pay twice the price for half the service?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 10:03pm:

Stig wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 9:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 6:02pm: However, I'd be a mug to pay twice the price for half the service. That's assuming you can get the taxi service in the first place. There's a reason so many Sydney inner-westies use Uber for airport trips - cabs won't take the fare Exactly. Aussie mentioned getting a cab at midnight   ;D I don't know if you've ever been to Perth Aussie, but it's very difficult to get a taxi at midnight here (after 10pm, they just aren't interested). And, if it's a Saturday night, forget about it. You have NO chance. If you can get through to the operator, they'll say they're sending the first available cab. If you wait until 5 or 6 in the morning, you might just get your ride (maybe). You think I'm joking? - come to Perth and try it for yourself. I'm not paying twice the money for half the service, no matter how many times you call them scabs. Only an idiot would do such a thing.

Okay...and what is the Perth Midnight experience with Uber?

I got a cab back from the CBD today as my phone was nearly flat.

Not long after I got in the driver started going off about the Uber court case and telling me how bad they were, all while he was stick in a right turn bay when we were going straight, then when he pulled out he nearly hit another car.

The rest of the trip was him talking about how he was voting for Clive Palmer.

Aussie, were you working in Sydney today?

Gnads wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 9:02am:

Redmond Neck wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 3:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:00pm: Gnads wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 10:55am: You'd rather go cheap ... where despite the claims by the foreign ride/share companies drivers are paid less, therefore have to work longer to try and make it pay. For you being someone who has been a worker advocate I find that an interesting turn. I always speak to the drivers and ask them about their Uber experience. The majority of the time - not all, but the majority - they say that they do it more as a hobby. Something to get them out of the house and away from the kids/wife/husband/dogs/whatever for a while. I haven't met one yet who says it's their fulltime job and/or that they're struggling to make ends meet. Theiving arseholes in my opinion Pay sfa to operate against taxis that pay something like $5000 per year! (in the ACT that is ) Not to mention the vast sums what some have paid for the TAXI licences in the past! Bah!!!!  :( $5,000 a year is conservative I believe it could be as high as $7,000 here in QLD.? Aussie?

Close to $7000.00 for CTP, Rego and comprehensive insurance with some 'workers compo' cover for drivers.

Good old Uber.  Drivers are getting very pissed off.  It was ever thus.  It has just taken these numpties a while to realise that they are being ripped off, large by Uber.

Link.

Read it, and never use an Uber again.