Suspicious injuries, a dubious paper trail: Seeking justice for one Aboriginal man

This sort of thing should be stopped and the Police need to be brought to heel.   >:(

No. If this Country is to progress, then 'everyone' must be treated equally and that means not 'disempowering' Police DISCIPLINE just because of 'one' race. If everyone else 'cops' a beating from the Police, then so too should 'other Australians'.
Racial hatred against Police, mostly 'always' due to Substance Abuse, by the offender - rather than from the 'nature' of the Aboriginal people, should not be used as an excuse to disempower Police action that is 'necessary'.
Disempowering 'Physical' Punishment and Discipline by a bunch of 'White Collar Pencil Pushing Know it alls' - is just ...stupidity!  >:(

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 7:46pm:

Suspicious injuries, a dubious paper trail: Seeking justice for one Aboriginal man This sort of thing should be stopped and the Police need to be brought to heel.   >:(

aquascoot tells us, in another thread, that this is just another example of the Territory police doing a marvelous job.

Jasin wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 2:47pm:

No. If this Country is to progress, then 'everyone' must be treated equally and that means not 'disempowering' Police DISCIPLINE just because of 'one' race. If everyone else 'cops' a beating from the Police, then so too should 'other Australians'. Racial hatred against Police, mostly 'always' due to Substance Abuse, by the offender - rather than from the 'nature' of the Aboriginal people, should not be used as an excuse to disempower Police action that is 'necessary'. Disempowering 'Physical' Punishment and Discipline by a bunch of 'White Collar Pencil Pushing Know it alls' - is just ...stupidity!  >:(

Translation: JaSin supports police brutality against Australian Aboriginals but deplores such brutality against British Aboriginals.

"Mr. Cumaiyi’s experience adds another troubling facet: Medical records and other documentation obtained and verified by The New York Times suggest that not only was he a victim of police brutality, but also that health officials and the police covered up the causes and severity of his injuries, while the courts nodded without question."

"Police abuse of Aboriginal Australians, including failure to provide medical care, remains a persistent problem, with nearly 150 Indigenous people dying in custody in the last decade alone."

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 2:53pm:

Jasin wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 2:47pm: No. If this Country is to progress, then 'everyone' must be treated equally and that means not 'disempowering' Police DISCIPLINE just because of 'one' race. If everyone else 'cops' a beating from the Police, then so too should 'other Australians'. Racial hatred against Police, mostly 'always' due to Substance Abuse, by the offender - rather than from the 'nature' of the Aboriginal people, should not be used as an excuse to disempower Police action that is 'necessary'. Disempowering 'Physical' Punishment and Discipline by a bunch of 'White Collar Pencil Pushing Know it alls' - is just ...stupidity!  >:( Translation: JaSin supports police brutality against Australian Aboriginals but deplores such brutality against British Aboriginals.

Not even close.
It's not 'brutality' - big difference.
When Prisoners 'fight' restraint - then the Police have every right to take 'any' action to suppress that action. Police would rather the Prisoner just 'toe the line'.

Now. THE MAJORITY of Aboriginals in custody 'do not' get aggressive and MANY Aboriginals see the Prisons as a way of getting away from the Grog n' Drugs. Prisons are like a 'Safety House'. You wouldn't believe it, but its true. They get good Medical care and respite. The majority of them are well behaved.
For when they go back 'out there' among, not just their own kind. They are better prepared to take on the the bad side-effects thrust upon them by many of their own people.

The entire legal system is rife with racist bias ...

As I have posted in the past ... sentencing of Aboriginals is clearly biased against them:

Courts discriminate shockingly against Aboriginal people.

Offences that would gain a warning or a good behaviour bond for a non-Aboriginal often result in jail time for Aboriginals.

"Whites" get off with a warning far more often than "blacks".

That's a fact.



I'll just post the summary, the whole study is very interesting.

Summary

This paper reports the findings from statistical analyses comparing the probability of receiving a prison sentence by Indigenous status in the lower courts of South Australia and New South Wales over an 11 year period (1998 to 2008). The primary aim was to identify whether there was a relationship between Indigenous status and imprisonment after controlling for other factors known to impact sentencing decisions. It was found that:

For each year, adjusting for social background, past and present criminality and court processing factors reduced the initial baseline differences between Indigenous and non-Indigenous defendants in both jurisdictions (New South Wales and South Australia).

Overall, Indigenous defendants were more likely to receive a prison sentence, compared with non-Indigenous defendants in comparable circumstances in both jurisdictions (New South Wales and South Australia).

The pattern of disparity over time varied between the two jurisdictions of New South Wales and South Australia. In South Australia, in the period pre-2001, there was evidence of parity and even leniency. However, in more recent years, Indigenous offenders were more likely to receive a prison sentence. By contrast, Indigenous offenders had higher odds of imprisonment throughout the entire period in New South Wales.

So there is some support for the differential involvement hypothesis across the entire time period, but some negative disparity remains. More importantly, the analysis suggests that the gap in the decision to imprison in the lower courts between Indigenous and non-Indigenous offenders may well be increasing in both jurisdictions.

https://i.imgur.com/tkRW8ex.jpg

Figure 1 Independent effect of Indigenous status on the likelihood of an imprisonment order in adult lower courts (South Australia and New South Wales) by year

Note: Odds ratios reported. The adjusted odds ratios are estimated from a logistic regression model that controls for sex, age at disposition, prior history, offence seriousness, presence of multiple conviction counts, guilty plea and not released on bail.
The dashed red line represents equal odds, or parity. Odds ratios below this line indicate increasing leniency in favour of Indigenous offenders; odds ratios above this line indicate increasing harshness toward Indigenous offenders

www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/441-460/tandi447.html

well no, thats nonsense, the Justice system is actually more lenient with Aboriginals. The fact that they are more likely to go to jail is simply because they are much more likely to be recidivists.

Take a look at the material referenced in my previous post to see that your comment is the polar opposite of what really goes on.

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 7:46pm:

Suspicious injuries, a dubious paper trail: Seeking justice for one Aboriginal man This sort of thing should be stopped and the Police need to be brought to heel.   >:(

WESTERN law is the only hope for justice ....

Considering that Western Law (which hammers everyone else) seems to be compromised by ...Aboriginal Law, in most cases.
I fail to see the 'hard line' against Aboriginals. :-?

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2019 at 10:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2019 at 7:46pm: Suspicious injuries, a dubious paper trail: Seeking justice for one Aboriginal man This sort of thing should be stopped and the Police need to be brought to heel.   >:( WESTERN law is the only hope for justice ....

Yes, the Police need to be charged and taken to court and tried, Soren.   I am glad you agree with me for a change.   Their continued mistreatment of Indigenous Australians is despicable.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 7:46pm:

Suspicious injuries, a dubious paper trail: Seeking justice for one Aboriginal man This sort of thing should be stopped and the Police need to be brought to heel.   >:(

I don't know if you know, Brian. But there is an understanding by police that they go easy on people of indigenous ethnicity, unless the indigenous perpetrators of crimes commit such violent acts that the police have no choice but to intervene.
Needing to be removed from a plane by police? Allegations that the person was hit on the head by a metal torch? Seems to be more to this story than I would imagine.

I have been punched by a female police officer. I really deserved it. The make up sex was amazing, though.

But, if an aboriginal man gets forcibly removed from a plane and hit with a torch, I would be certain that he crossed the line from which his aboriginal privilege could not protect.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 22^nd, 2019 at 4:44am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2nd, 2019 at 7:46pm: Suspicious injuries, a dubious paper trail: Seeking justice for one Aboriginal man This sort of thing should be stopped and the Police need to be brought to heel.   >:( I don't know if you know, Brian. But there is an understanding by police that they go easy on people of indigenous ethnicity, unless the indigenous perpetrators of crimes commit such violent acts that the police have no choice but to intervene. Needing to be removed from a plane by police? Allegations that the person was hit on the head by a metal torch? Seems to be more to this story than I would imagine. I have been punched by a female police officer. I really deserved it. The make up sex was amazing, though. But, if an aboriginal man gets forcibly removed from a plane and hit with a torch, I would be certain that he crossed the line from which his aboriginal privilege could not protect.

Indigenous Australians are not accorded any privileges it seems except in your imagination.

Indigenous Australians are regularly abused by Police only occasionally do stories make it to the MSM.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2019 at 3:45pm:

Indigenous Australians are not accorded any privileges it seems except in your imagination. Indigenous Australians are regularly abused by Police only occasionally do stories make it to the MSM.   ::)

I think aboriginal privileges in terms of extra benefits have been scaled back to match that of the rest of Australians since the year 2013, at the latest. Aboriginal funding for arts and culture is still going (and I am happy with that). But, societally, aboriginal people are treated (perhaps condescendingly) as untouchable... unless they commit a severe crime (assaults, rapes, robberies, murder, etc).

I regularly listen to the police radio. And I am part of a facebook crime watch group for my region of Rockhampton and surrounds. We are constantly fed information that indigenous youths are out causing mayhem. Smashed storefronts, trees set alight, break and enters, abusing other pedestrians and motorists, etc. These are all caught on camera or in photographs. They don't even rate a mention in the news unless there is a serious concern. One example was when a man was convicted of murdering his toddler son.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 22^nd, 2019 at 5:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 3:45pm: Indigenous Australians are not accorded any privileges it seems except in your imagination. Indigenous Australians are regularly abused by Police only occasionally do stories make it to the MSM.   ::) I think aboriginal privileges in terms of extra benefits have been scaled back to match that of the rest of Australians since the year 2013, at the latest. Aboriginal funding for arts and culture is still going (and I am happy with that). But, societally, aboriginal people are treated (perhaps condescendingly) as untouchable... unless they commit a severe crime (assaults, rapes, robberies, murder, etc). I regularly listen to the police radio. And I am part of a facebook crime watch group for my region of Rockhampton and surrounds. We are constantly fed information that indigenous youths are out causing mayhem. Smashed storefronts, trees set alight, break and enters, abusing other pedestrians and motorists, etc. These are all caught on camera or in photographs. They don't even rate a mention in the news unless there is a serious concern. One example was when a man was convicted of murdering his toddler son.

Take it up with the media outlets if it concerns you that much.  Rockhampton?  A place which produced Pauline Hanson, so obviously Indigenous people don't have a free ride, despite what you appear to believe.   Indigenous people get judged by their "race" and then by what they are doing.  I wonder if you'd like that to occur to you?   I suspect not.    ::)

Going by DARK EMU by Bruce Pascoe.
It seems its been a concerted effort by Colonial Propaganda to make the population believe that Aboriginals were 'never-never' here at all.
That it was a vacant land full of open spaces and wild animals (to which Abos were associated with) - all for the Colony Taking.

Poor, helpless, primitive, savages who live under a leaf among the animals and invented a stick. We must give them hand-outs for their uselessness.

Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2019 at 11:02pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 5:15pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 3:45pm: Indigenous Australians are not accorded any privileges it seems except in your imagination. Indigenous Australians are regularly abused by Police only occasionally do stories make it to the MSM.   ::) I think aboriginal privileges in terms of extra benefits have been scaled back to match that of the rest of Australians since the year 2013, at the latest. Aboriginal funding for arts and culture is still going (and I am happy with that). But, societally, aboriginal people are treated (perhaps condescendingly) as untouchable... unless they commit a severe crime (assaults, rapes, robberies, murder, etc). I regularly listen to the police radio. And I am part of a facebook crime watch group for my region of Rockhampton and surrounds. We are constantly fed information that indigenous youths are out causing mayhem. Smashed storefronts, trees set alight, break and enters, abusing other pedestrians and motorists, etc. These are all caught on camera or in photographs. They don't even rate a mention in the news unless there is a serious concern. One example was when a man was convicted of murdering his toddler son. Take it up with the media outlets if it concerns you that much.  Rockhampton?  A place which produced Pauline Hanson, so obviously Indigenous people don't have a free ride, despite what you appear to believe.   Indigenous people get judged by their "race" and then by what they are doing.  I wonder if you'd like that to occur to you?   I suspect not.    ::)

I think Ipswich or Toowoomba was what produced Pauline Hanson. (Lee Hanson was produced in Rockhampton). We actually do take up the issue of crime and vandalism with police. We also post to noticeboards on our facebook pages to notify people in the area to keep vigilant watch. As recently as of last month, we have seen an increase in gangs roaming the northside of town being a general nuisance and causing vandalism. A large group of 10 youths, mostly aboriginal, were the main perpetrators. So far, police are not doing anything about them, since they have not caused serious problems. But the police obviously have no "move on" powers when it comes to people of indigenous ethnicity.

I do get judged by my caucasian appearance. These gangs seem to take up my race as an issue when I am out and about on my midnight walks. The number of "white bugger" comments or about me alleged to being a "white bastard" because I do not give an aboriginal woman a smoke -- not possible as I do not smoke. Oh, and let me see if my welfare benefits get cut if I miss an appointment (without reason) or I lose my job over an unfair dismissal. Indigenous people can still be classified as disadvantaged, just because they roll up their sleeves to show off their race, not because of those that do hard work.

Well Unsubby,

Maybe you should remind them that Africa is for 'Blacks Only' going  by the treatment Whites get over there and remind the Blacks here, with a length of wood - whose country this is now. ;)

Jasin wrote on May 23^rd, 2019 at 9:38pm:

Well Unsubby, Maybe you should remind them that Africa is for 'Blacks Only' going  by the treatment Whites get over there and remind the Blacks here, with a length of wood - whose country this is now. ;)

If black people in Africa treated white people in Africa as respectfully as the way white Australian people treat aboriginal Australians, there would not be a peep coming in protest from white people in Africa.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 23^rd, 2019 at 9:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 11:02pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 5:15pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 3:45pm: Indigenous Australians are not accorded any privileges it seems except in your imagination. Indigenous Australians are regularly abused by Police only occasionally do stories make it to the MSM.   ::) I think aboriginal privileges in terms of extra benefits have been scaled back to match that of the rest of Australians since the year 2013, at the latest. Aboriginal funding for arts and culture is still going (and I am happy with that). But, societally, aboriginal people are treated (perhaps condescendingly) as untouchable... unless they commit a severe crime (assaults, rapes, robberies, murder, etc). I regularly listen to the police radio. And I am part of a facebook crime watch group for my region of Rockhampton and surrounds. We are constantly fed information that indigenous youths are out causing mayhem. Smashed storefronts, trees set alight, break and enters, abusing other pedestrians and motorists, etc. These are all caught on camera or in photographs. They don't even rate a mention in the news unless there is a serious concern. One example was when a man was convicted of murdering his toddler son. Take it up with the media outlets if it concerns you that much.  Rockhampton?  A place which produced Pauline Hanson, so obviously Indigenous people don't have a free ride, despite what you appear to believe.   Indigenous people get judged by their "race" and then by what they are doing.  I wonder if you'd like that to occur to you?   I suspect not.    ::) I think Ipswich or Toowoomba was what produced Pauline Hanson. (Lee Hanson was produced in Rockhampton).

Hanson grew to prominence as the member for Rockhampton.


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We actually do take up the issue of crime and vandalism with police. We also post to noticeboards on our facebook pages to notify people in the area to keep vigilant watch. As recently as of last month, we have seen an increase in gangs roaming the northside of town being a general nuisance and causing vandalism. A large group of 10 youths, mostly aboriginal, were the main perpetrators. So far, police are not doing anything about them, since they have not caused serious problems. But the police obviously have no "move on" powers when it comes to people of indigenous ethnicity.

They have them but they seem, according to you, not be exercising them.  There is a difference.   Again, take it up with the Police.  Perhaps they need something suspicious to be occurring for them to actually take an interest?   They cannot simply move people on 'cause of the colour of their skin...   ::)


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I do get judged by my caucasian appearance. These gangs seem to take up my race as an issue when I am out and about on my midnight walks. The number of "white bugger" comments or about me alleged to being a "white bastard" because I do not give an aboriginal woman a smoke -- not possible as I do not smoke. Oh, and let me see if my welfare benefits get cut if I miss an appointment (without reason) or I lose my job over an unfair dismissal. Indigenous people can still be classified as disadvantaged, just because they roll up their sleeves to show off their race, not because of those that do hard work.

Clear difference though, UnSub.  You only occasionally get judged by the colour of your skin.  Indigenous Australians get judged constantly by the colour of their skin.   Tell us when you get judged ALL the time, OK?   Tell us when you've been told that 'cause you're white you can't get a job or you've been "moved on" by Police or you've been apprehended simply because you're in the same area that a crime has been committed.  If you're arrested, you're often beaten by the Police, sometimes to the point of death.  These a common, everyday occurrences for many Indigenous Australians.    ::)

Hanson was a member of the Ipswich City Council.

Causing disturbances is only enough cause for the police to issue move on orders. Last night, police issued a move on order to a group of indigenous people who attacked a couple of foreign tourists near the Boathouse. The tourists had to take refuge in the toilet blocks. Police only issued a move on order. I don't know why charges were not laid against the attackers. Perhaps the tourists were told that the charges would not be worth the trouble. And I did not assert that police were moving people on based on the colour of the offender's skin.

Amazingly, last night, I was at a McDonalds restaurant, getting an emergency feed. I had to wait behind 20 other people who had come in from a rodeo. They were all dressed up in rodeo uniforms. I immediately thought that they were a tough bunch of people. I eventually sat down and had a meal. A group of three aboriginal teens/young adults came in for their meals. They were dressed very casual and in their streetwear clothes. But they were polite and quiet and doing no wrong. I was more concerned that the head of the rodeo group had almost yelled at his son (presumably) for making another order, just before the group was about to leave. The son looked a bit embarrassed to be called out like that in public.

Therefore, I judge people based on their behaviour. I bet those indigenous youths get stereotyped because of the clothes they were. But, for their racial background, they would have been judged on their behaviour. And they were decent in their behaviour that night.

I have been turned down or discouraged from certain jobs. Some jobs are for indigenous people only. Try walking around in an area where aboriginal, Asian, or other non-white people reside. Try going through certain areas of Sydney as a white person. People look at you as if to ask "what the hell are you doing here?". I have been subjected to stares by Asian people because of my blonde hair. Not that it is a bad thing as it has helped me get laid by a few Japanese ladies. But that goes to show that I have been subjected to racial prejudice because of my racial background. It just does not happen so often to me because I live in a 95% white town.

Appeals Court judge condemns police violence in Australia Day arrest of Aboriginal man   ::)