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Title: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 9:48am

The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists

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Will America Abolish Its Constitution?

This Constitution Day prominent commentators are condemning America’s founding charter as out-of-date.

By Andrew Miiller • September 17

Today is Constitution Day—the anniversary of the day America’s founders signed the Constitution of the United States.

As of today, the Constitution is 231 years old, older than any other written constitution still in use.

Yet rather than honor this remarkable document,

.....prominent liberal media outlets are condemning it as an outdated, malfunctioning piece of junk that needs to be abolished.

“Not enough people connect the dots between our political dysfunction and the sacred Constitution of 1787 …” wrote Sanford Levinson, a professor at the University of Texas, in an article for Politico Magazine.

“The bitter truth is that Donald Trump’s presidency is a Frankenstein’s monster in part created by the Constitution itself, and sustained by a political class wrongly taught to worship as scripture a document whose deep flaws are becoming clearer by the day.”

Levinson is the author of a book titled Our Undemocratic Constitution: Where the Constitution Goes Wrong (And How We the People Can Correct It).

He condemns the Constitution as an undemocratic document that stops people from the electing leaders and passing the laws that they want.

An article by David Klion at Buzzfeed News is more inflammatory.

“On issue after issue, the evidence is clear: The federal government is dramatically more conservative than the American public.

Given that the institutions that make up the federal government are all structurally undemocratic, that shouldn’t come as a surprise. …

All of this makes a lot more sense if the U.S. government is viewed as what it was originally designed to be: a system of minority rule for propertied white men.”

While Levinson ends his article by questioning whether the Constitution is still relevant, Klion ends his article with a rallying cry to “abuse the Constitution” by “invoking the will of the American people.”

It seems that after two years of claiming that President Donald Trump colluded with Russia to “steal” the U.S. election, progressives are adopting a new strategy.

They admit that Mr. Trump is the constitutionally legitimate president of the United States, and so the solution to their dilema is to try to destroy the Constitution......

......Whether people realize it or not, these anti-Constitution ideas come straight from Marxist socialism.

Roughly 40 percent of American adults now say they prefer socialism to capitalism, despite the fact that the Constitution prohibits the government from amassing the immense power over the free market that socialism mandates.

That figure indicates that there are at least 98 million Americans who view Constitutional property rights as out-of-date.

Yet these people cannot legally change the U.S. Constitution unless they get the support of two-thirds of both houses of Congress or two-thirds of the state legislatures.

Since this is unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future, more people are adopting a similar approach to David Klion and “abuse the Constitution” by “invoking the will” of their supporters.

Such lawlessness is dangerous.

Many Americans are growing discontent with the nation’s founding charter, but not enough to legally abolish it.

So, they resort to obstructionism, civil disobedience and, in some cases, outright rioting.

How widespread and how violent will this lawless movement get?

https://www.thetrumpet.com/17744-will-america-abolish-its-constitution/print

Antifa.

Trump isn't the cause,    ....the emergence today, of (a) Trump, is simply a symptom, a confirmation,
~~of what is wrong with America~~    of what is wrong with Americans.

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Many 'progressives' in the U.S. today, are seeking to popularly 'redefine' the Constitution [of the U.S.] as a piece of junk,
which needs to be abolished.

Many 'activists', want to move the people of the U.S.A. to declare the Constitution [of the U.S.] to be undemocratic, and unfit for the social needs of modern Americans, circa 2018.
....particularly, in the realisation, that it was principally, the Constitution [of the U.S.] which facilitated 'a person like' Donald J Trump being able to, lawfully come to the presidency of the U.S. !

Their argument;       If the Constitution [of the U.S.] can allow and facilitate such an outcome [the installation of a president such as Trump], then the Constitution [of the U.S.] is palpably, a very flawed instrument!

And it needs to be torn down, and replaced,    with something which better reflects the will of the American people !

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Proverbs 28:4
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 12:05pm

IMagine how your life would be if you understood things you read according to their actual content and intention instead of seeing everything through your far right eyes.

There is a fabulous episode of West Wing where Toby discusses a new constitution with am emerging free ex-soviet country. They wanted to model their constituion on the USA's. Toby told them not to do so because every other country that had adopted a presidential model had slipped into dictatorship. USA was in fact the only one that had not done so.

The westminster system is a far superior one where there is no 'temporary king' as Americas president so often behaves. We might mock the way we replace PMs often, but it is in fact, a strength so that PMs have to perform and if there is a problem, they can be easily and quickly replaced.

The US constitution is great literature, but there is where it ends. The 2nd amendment is a perfect example of how out of date it was. It was created at a time where there was no military, no real police and where the weapon of choice was a single shot musket, useful at best to 20 yards.

People have identified correctly that the executive branch has usurped almost all power and Congress has become weaker and less effective. The rule of law runs second to partisan politics where the politics of a judge is more imporant than his integrity or legal skill.

Trump is now showing exactly how bad the constitution is. For example, his tariffs are actually unlawful as the President can only do so in the case of 'national security'. Trade deficits are not national security.

The American constitution has a lot of good things in it, but it has established a political system that is dependant on the good nature and integrity of those who participate in it. As we are seeing with trump, that time has now passed.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by freediver on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 12:27pm

It is out of date. They were fools for putting the right to bear arms into the constitution. And the intent of the document is at least in part to protect the interests of the government from the will of the people.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by The Mechanic on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 12:41pm

The US citizens need to fight for the Constitution and that of their rights...

The way the liberals are going feral in the US at the moment they are going to need their guns sooner than later...

Whoever succeeds Trump needs to be “Trump” like and keep the criminal cartel/deep state from destroying their country...

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 12:42pm

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 12:27pm:

One of the big problems of a lot of constitutions is that they make it hard to change them. The american one is out of date rather obviously, but changing it is now impossible because if the dems propose it, the repubs will oppose it no matter what, and probably vice versa.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 5:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 12:05pm:

Trump is now showing exactly how bad the constitution is.

For example, his tariffs are actually unlawful as the President can only do so in the case of 'national security'.

Trade deficits are not national security.

Forget 'trade deficits'.

Think about the ability for a nation like the U.S., to maintain an economically viable steel production industry.

An economically viable steel production industry is critical to the 'national security' of a nation like the U.S.

Access to large quantities of steel is required in the production of things like tanks and ships and big artillery pieces, etc.

The production of steel for a nation like the U.S., is a strategic [i.e. national defence critical] industry sector.

And so, of course an ability for a nation like the U.S. to maintain a functioning AND ECONOMICALLY VIABLE steel production industry, is critical to the 'national security' of the U.S.

????

Do you disagree ?

Any nation which is dependent upon imported steel supplies, in a time of international tensions, could find itself unable to supply its own defence industries with steel products, because that nation could be subject to embargoes being imposed by the steel supplier nation(s).

LW,

Trump is correct [in his tariff policies], and people like yourself are [intentionally?] misstating the PRIMARY reason why Trump is imposing those tariffs.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 5:36pm

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 12:27pm:

It is out of date.

They were fools for putting the right to bear arms into the constitution.

And the intent of the document is at least in part to protect the interests of the government from the will of the people.

FD,

I don't agree.

The framers of the U.S. Constitution had their own very real experience, of how local, 'lawful' political power could be bent,
to oppress ordinary citizens, using the authority of a corrupt and despotic 'royal' government.

I believe that the framers of the U.S. Constitution knew, and hoped, that the provision, IN LAW, for an armed citizenry, would always be a 'lever' against any despotic tendencies of the central government.

Any central government would always, likely, be much better armed than even numbers of individual citizenry.

But just the knowledge, that the central government had, that the citizenry were armed, may well be enough to discourage any despotic tendencies of a central government.

I think that it is well established, that over time,
all 'popular' governments tend to authoritarianism and the corruption of their lawfully held powers.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by freediver on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 6:20pm

Quote:

But just the knowledge, that the central government had, that the citizenry were armed, may well be enough to discourage any despotic tendencies of a central government.

Not really. The government will always have bigger weapons, more of them, and be more organised in using them. Citizens shooting each other is usually the justification for a lurch towards despotism.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 6:41pm

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 6:20pm:

Quote:

But just the knowledge, that the central government had, that the citizenry were armed, may well be enough to discourage any despotic tendencies of a central government.

Not really.

The government will always have bigger weapons, more of them, and be more organised in using them.

Citizens shooting each other is usually the justification for a lurch towards despotism.

Yeah, and we then see more and more controls and restrictions, of the rights and liberties of law-abiding citizens.

"Citizens shooting each other is usually the justification...."

....and the majority of those 'citizens' who are doing the shooting, are from among the violent criminal class.

But why would the central government and its agencies [i.e. their servants] want to remove the violent criminal class from the community,
so that they couldn't commit those violent crimes, using firearms and other weapons ?

Clearly they haven't made much of an effort to do that.

But they have moved to drastically restrict the 'natural' rights and liberties of all other citizens.

The 'natural' right, of any man or woman, is the right to their own peaceable liberties, and the right to defend their persons, from criminal attack.

Those rights are almost non-existent today, within nations like Australia.

Why so ?

Because the 'meadow', meant exclusively for the use of the browsing 'sheep', is now intermingled with a large population of 'wolves'.

[i.e. ....everyone must now be assumed, to have some 'wolf' like characteristics.
....coz, all of the creatures in the 'meadow' are now deemed to be wearing the same 'disguise'.]

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Sad Kangaroo on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 6:51pm

I understand the cornerstone of conservatism is to conserve things the way they are, as in a fear of change.

But the constitution can be amended. It allows for change as time goes on.

If it didn't, it would be a worthless piece of paper. If a people can't grow, they will be doomed to fail.

That said, this thread is just an excuse to attack and demonise the left.

There is no logic behind it, no real point. We're in midterm season so sadly there will be more of this, from both sides, but the right for all their virtuous claims and moral grandstanding, they're much worse when it comes to this kind of thing.

And yes, I understand the irony in what I've just said.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by freediver on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 6:54pm

Quote:

The 'natural' right, of any man or woman, is the right to their own peaceable liberties, and the right to defend their persons, from criminal attack.

Those rights are almost non-existent today, within nations like Australia.

Why so ?

Most normal people consider not being shot at by some wacked out druggie to also be a right. And also to not have their idiot neighbours accidentally setting of nukes in the backyard. Or, they should not have to arm themselves with deadly weapons just to go down the street because of a government sponsored arms race between citizenry.

There is nothing "natural" about gun ownership. They are artificial weapons. This is why their constitutional right to bear arms was such a stupid idea. They tried to make a timeless right out of an evolving technology.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Bias_2012 on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 7:42pm

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 6:54pm:

Most normal people consider not being shot at by some wacked out druggie to also be a right

What in the hell is that supposed to mean FD?

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by The Mechanic on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 7:50pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 5:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 12:05pm:

Forget 'trade deficits'.

Think about the ability for a nation like the U.S., to maintain an economically viable steel production industry.

An economically viable steel production industry is critical to the 'national security' of a nation like the U.S.

Access to large quantities of steel is required in the production of things like tanks and ships and big artillery pieces, etc.

The production of steel for a nation like the U.S., is a strategic [i.e. national defence critical] industry sector.

And so, of course an ability for a nation like the U.S. to maintain a functioning AND ECONOMICALLY VIABLE steel production industry, is critical to the 'national security' of the U.S.

????

Do you disagree ?

Any nation which is dependent upon imported steel supplies, in a time of international tensions, could find itself unable to supply its own defence industries with steel products, because that nation could be subject to embargoes being imposed by the steel supplier nation(s).
LW,

Trump is correct [in his tariff policies], and people like yourself are [intentionally?] misstating the PRIMARY reason why Trump is imposing those tariffs.

if he watched a trump rally he'd know this already ... ::)

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 9:58pm

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 6:54pm:

Quote:

Most normal people consider not being shot at by some wacked out druggie to also be a right.

Well i'm here to tell 'most normal people' [Australian citizens, circa 2018] that they shouldn't expect to enjoy such 'social security' here in Australia.

Coz, the suburbs of Australia are awash with armed drug dealers shooting people in the streets.

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 6:54pm:

And also to not have their idiot neighbours accidentally setting of nukes in the backyard.

I don't believe that has happened.

I missed that news report FD.
...but i'm here, to be corrected FD.

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 6:54pm:

Or, they should not have to arm themselves with deadly weapons just to go down the street because of a government sponsored arms race between citizenry.

Another unlikely, and unrealistic, scare-mongering, scenario.

And i'm not advocating that the government should 'sponsor' arming the citizenry.

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 6:54pm:

There is nothing "natural" about gun ownership.

Well it use to be, that the King required by law, that the freemen of England maintain their proficiency with a bow and arrow.

Google;
Every man should have rifle. Henry Lawson [another 'dinosaur']

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 6:54pm:

They are artificial weapons.

This is why their constitutional right to bear arms was such a stupid idea.

They tried to make a timeless right out of an evolving technology.

I concede, that access to a 'technology' isn't a right, FD.

Q. FD...
Should free men, peaceable men, law abiding men [living in a 'free country'],
be afforded the right, IN LAW, to protect themselves and their families,
from harm, and from malicious harm, and from criminal harm ?

If yes, can you suggest a viable means ?

Or, are you one of those persons who attributes an exclusive right, to the state alone, to protect [or kill] individual citizens [i.e. persons who have no intimate connection to the apparatus or 'body' of the state] ?

If yes, how is that working out for the many victims of malicious and criminal harm, in our cities and suburbs ?

And by the way, both government officials and police hierarchy will tell John or Jane Citizen,
that neither the government nor the police have any responsibility - IN LAW - to protect them from criminal violence,
even if credible threats of violence, have been made against John or Jane Citizen.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by freediver on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:02pm

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I don't believe that has happened.

Of course it hasn't happened, because common sense kicked in. Just a little too late in many cases, but it's still there. It's funny to watch Americans who still take this seriously as a "right", despite how ludicrous it has become.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:27pm

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:02pm:

[the 2nd amendment right, in the U.S.]

It's funny to watch Americans who still take this seriously as a "right", despite how ludicrous it has become.

FD,

If you think that a right to the means to defend your person or your property is ludicrous or irrational.....

Q.
Why do you have keyed locks on your front and back doors to your house ?
....of course this is wholly a presumption on my part.

Maybe you leave your doors unlocked, whenever you are away from your home ?

But isn't locking the doors on your house, a form of 'self defence' of your property ?

And what right, do you believe that you have,
to deny others entry into your home ?!!

/sarc off

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Richdude on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 3:30am

Yadda wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:27pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:02pm:

[the 2nd amendment right, in the U.S.]

It's funny to watch Americans who still take this seriously as a "right", despite how ludicrous it has become.

Common sense!

How many unarmed citizens died compared to armed citizens died last century? I am talking Cambodia, China, USSR, Eastern Europe - a 1000 to one perhaps. Doesn't history teach you anything?

Around here, most people own guns - many guns. Why the need - you may ask? Insurance they say.

Do you insure your home Freediver? Or car?

Isn't it really about ones freedom. Choice? The freedom to choose without having others impose their will upon you. You are really advocating fascism - the imposition of your desire and insecurities upon others.

As long as my neighbors are responsible (and they are), I have no problem with them owning guns. By restricting the freedom of others you also restrict your own freedom.

or is this the future many wish to embrace. Love this pic.

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Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by freediver on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 6:51am

Yadda wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:27pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:02pm:

[the 2nd amendment right, in the U.S.]

It's funny to watch Americans who still take this seriously as a "right", despite how ludicrous it has become.

I notice you refrain from mentioning guns. Why is that? Is this your way of agreeing with me?

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Richdude on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 10:26am

freediver wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 6:51am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:27pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:02pm:

[the 2nd amendment right, in the U.S.]

It's funny to watch Americans who still take this seriously as a "right", despite how ludicrous it has become.

I notice you refrain from mentioning guns. Why is that? Is this your way of agreeing with me?

Protect your family. property and self by any means necessary!

And please respond to my valid post - thank you!

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 10:59am

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:02pm:

[the 2nd amendment right, in the U.S.]

It's funny to watch Americans who still take this seriously as a "right", despite how ludicrous it has become.

Richdude wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 3:30am:

Isn't it really about ones freedom. Choice?

The freedom to choose without having others impose their will upon you.

[FD] You are really advocating fascism - the imposition of your desire and insecurities upon others.

FD, please note, i am in agreement with Richdude.

Richdude,

On liberty, and the right of every free man, to enjoy the right of self defence, i agree with Locke's reasoning....

Quote:

"......he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power does thereby put himself into a state of war with him; it being to be understood as a declaration of a design upon his life.

For I have reason to conclude that he who would get me into his power without my consent would use me as he pleased when he had got me there, and destroy me too when he had a fancy to it;

for nobody can desire to have me in his absolute power unless it be to compel me by force to that which is against the right of my freedom - i.e. make me a slave."

John Locke 1632-1704
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1242692863/0#0

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Richdude on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 12:51pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 10:59am:

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:02pm:

[the 2nd amendment right, in the U.S.]

It's funny to watch Americans who still take this seriously as a "right", despite how ludicrous it has become.

Richdude wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 3:30am:

FD, please note, i am in agreement with Richdude.

Richdude,

On liberty, and the right of every free man, to enjoy the right of self defence, i agree with Locke's reasoning....

Quote:

John Locke 1632-1704
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1242692863/0#0

Absolute power comes from God alone - not from gov.

The way we use this power is our choice however knowing that we will lose this entitlement if abused.

Gods laws will always prevail - that is inescapable. Hillary, Brennan, Comey, Obama....... take note................. too late!

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 12:53pm

What moron compares owning a gun to locking your front door??

dumbass

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Panther on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 1:00pm

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 6:20pm:

Quote:

But just the knowledge, that the central government had, that the citizenry were armed, may well be enough to discourage any despotic tendencies of a central government.

Not really. The government will always have bigger weapons, more of them, and be more organised in using them. Citizens shooting each other is usually the justification for a lurch towards despotism.

One thing most non-Americans, & those Americans that make similar statements, fail to consider.

America's Armed Forces is comprised of a 100% volunteer Armed Forces.....every day citizens, just like the rest of America, except they are highly trained in the use of big weaponry & fighting techniques.

They are the ones that would be using all those "bigger weapons" you mentioned, in a very organized way.

Now, there is one thing, another factor, you are probably not taking into consideration.

Most Americans hold their Constitution very near & dear.

So, this would naturally be consistent with most of the Armed Services....probably even more so.

Why? you might ask....

Because one very important factor about Armed Services Personnel is that they all take a solemn oath when they become service men & women. They swear an oath with one thing in common above all else.......they swear to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States .... First & Foremost... preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, not the Country, nor it's flag, nor it's government, nor any of it's leaders.....they swear first & foremost to preserve, protect and defend the U.S. Constitution.

Quote:

Uniformed Services of the United States....Military..... "I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

Every leader, every elected official at all levels of government, every member of the military, every law enforcement officer, & every judge across America swears an oath with this one thing in common regarding the Constitution of the United States of America.

All that firepower....Armed Services, Police, National Guard, etc......all that fire power with one purpose in mind....to "preserve, protect and defend the U.S. Constitution" not the Country, nor it's flag, nor it's government, nor any of it's political leaders.

Contemplate on that for a moment...

Now, getting back to the Armed Services, & it's firepower. If pushed came to shove, & the 'government' decided it wanted to disarm ordinary Americans, it's law abiding Citizens.

What do think might happen?

Remember the Armed Services is comprised of 100% Volunteers ..... American Citizens ....... & probably 90%+ of them are Law Abiding Gun Owners themselves.

Take up these big weapons against their Fellow Law Abiding Gun Owners?......... their Fellow Citizens?.......their Fellow Americans?

Forget that any order that is against the Law......Against the Law of the Land......against the US Constitution, does not have to be obeyed, regardless who gives the order.

More so, they are duty bound to their OATH to disobey such an order!

Now, IMHO most of the Armed Service will disobey such an order, if not virtually all, because they all know the Second Amendment, & what it means.....not to you, but to them.....& contrary to the belief of some misguided people, last time I looked the Second Amendment was still a very large part of the US Constitution, & these Service Men are duty bound to preserve, protect & defend the Constitution above all else......with their very lives if need be.

They are prepared to pay that ultimate price in defense of the US Constitution & their honor.

That said, one more thing many either aren't aware of, or flat out don't understand that the Bill of Rights.....the First 10 Amendments to the United States Constitution......the Bill of Rights does not limit the rights of people - It does the exact opposite. It defines limits on the government, whereby protecting the Rights of the People over any powers given to the Government, by the People in the United States Constitution.

The United States of America is not a Democracy, as even some Americans errantly say.

The United States is a Constitutional Republic.....Founded as such....a proper Republic, one based on a Constitution with a Bill of Rights protecting the Citizens Natural Rights, not Rights Granted by any government, but Rights bestowed upon them by a higher power....a Supreme Being.....A Constitutional Republic, based partly on Basic Democratic Principals, one where the Minority is protected by law so they can never be subject to mob rule, one where the government is permitted to govern only through the consent of the governed, from which all power to govern emanates.

Government, in America, through the Constitution, is meant to merely serve the American People, & only as the American People themselves permit.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 6:28pm

Imagine if you took your hand off your penis and read some history. Your understanding of America and its constitution comes from comic books and vain imagining.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Dnarever on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 7:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 12:27pm:

Yes it is antiquated, the purpose of the second amendment was to allow people to be armed in a militia, this apparently was needed in case they seen a need to overthrow the government ? Today attempting to do this would likely get you into a bit of trouble.

It is also amusing that the US made war in Afghanistan fighting militia style regional armies which they claimed to be illegitimate and not part of the countries armed forces.

They were using a structure very similar to what the USA used in the war for independence and is protected in their constitution.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by mortdooley on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 9:56pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

What moron compares owning a gun to locking your front door??

dumbass

The Constitution is as out dated and cumbersome to some people as the 10 commandments. If you have no Right of defense how do you have a Right to own property? Your life is more valuable then your stuff! The fourth Amendment of the Constitution once protected privacy and property rights from government. If Keys are abolished then no door is locked and everyone basically owns everything and nothing. I want to go on vacation and your car is nicer and newer than mine I will just take it. If you need to do to work and your car is gone just take the first available vehicle on your street.

The Constitution shares one annoying thing with Traffic Signs and Lights, they are not open to reinterpretation. Red means stop, green means go and yellow means go very fast before you see red! Shall not establish a State religion or hinder the practice religion, shall not be infringed, be secure in your papers, person or......... We still live in a Representative Republic not a Democracy. Democracy is mob rule, the majority can not commit a crime if the majority approves.

If you don't approve of my Right to protect myself I don't recognize your Right to own anything!

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Richdude on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 11:40pm

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 9:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

What moron compares owning a gun to locking your front door??

dumbass

When guns were banned in Australia all means of self defense was banned as well. Air rifles, BB guns, slingshots, bows including sprays such as mace and pepper. All because of the (alleged) actions of one man all Australians lost their right to defend themselves. How insane is that?

Australians have no way of protecting themselves and no property rights either. They have "equity title" to their homes but gov holds superior title as trustees. Alodial title does not exist - perhaps those old enough who purchased their homes when money was backed by gold and silver may have.

It truly is La La Land - such a shame.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 8:42am

Richdude wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 11:40pm:

When guns were banned in Australia all means of self defense was banned as well.

Air rifles, BB guns, slingshots, bows including sprays such as mace and pepper.

All because of the (alleged) actions of one man all Australians lost their right to defend themselves.

How insane is that?

It truly is La La Land - such a shame.

That has been the effect, after nationwide laws, imposing firearm ownership restrictions upon all licenced, law-abiding citizens were introduced, in Australia.

It was claimed, by the laws proponents [e.g. politicians and police], that once introduced, these new restrictive firearm ownership laws would make all Australian citizens much safer.

The truth is that the post Port-Arthur firearm ownership laws in Australia, have imposed firearm ownership restrictions upon all licenced, law-abiding citizens in Australia.

But it could hardly be argued that these new firearm ownership laws have presented any impediment to violent criminals, to access illicit firearms in Australia.

e.g.
The possession of semi-automatic pistols [e.g. like Glock pistols] have always been heavily restricted in Australia.

And yet, these types of firearms [it can be seen, being frequently being reported on our evening TV news bulletins] [these 'restricted' firearms being had, in their possession] are being widely used by members of violent criminal gangs within Australia's capital cities, in fighting their 'turf wars'.

And of course, there has been no obvious reduction in the possession of firearms, seen among police and various security agencies within Australia, where such personnel can be seen to be openly carrying firearms in public.

ARGUMENT;
Surely, if it were true, that the new restrictive firearm ownership laws, had made Australia and our communities much safer,
many of the police and various security agencies within Australia, would have no need for their officers to be carrying 'restricted' and 'highly dangerous' firearms, openly on their hips, everywhere they go ?

But is seems that the servants and agents of the political state,
are considered to be much better placed to be able to protect themselves with firearms,
than are any [criminal-conviction free] peaceful, law-abiding citizen of Australia ?

....in the opinion that is, of the apparatchik's which 'guide' and advise the Australian political state, circa 2018.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:02am

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 9:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

What moron compares owning a gun to locking your front door??

dumbass

you equate 'self-defence' with guns. That is the error in your argument. There is more to defence than weapons.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 4:56pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:02am:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 9:56pm:

you equate 'self-defence' with guns. That is the error in your argument.

There is more to defence than weapons.

LOL !!!

But, but, but....LW !!!!!!!

......when i made that very argument, you called me a moron AND a dumbass.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

What moron compares owning a gun to locking your front door??

dumbass

Not having a good week are you, LW.

Been off your medication ?

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:29pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 4:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:02am:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 9:56pm:

you equate 'self-defence' with guns. That is the error in your argument.

There is more to defence than weapons.

LOL !!!

But, but, but....LW !!!!!!!

......when i made that very argument, you called me a moron AND a dumbass.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

What moron compares owning a gun to locking your front door??

dumbass

Not having a good week are you, LW.

Been off your medication ?

At least I go to Church. You dont.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:46pm

@ Reply #30

Matthew 6:5
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

"Going to church does not make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car."
- Billy Sunday

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

.

His covenant people, his beloved.

Are those who love God and, "keep the commandments of God".

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435998745/1#1

Romans 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:51pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:46pm:

And there we have it... your own admission that you are one of those imbecilic 'biblical conspirotards' that dont go to church, dont know how to interpret the bible and yet quote it endlessly while having little idea what it says. EXACTLY WHAT I CALLED YOU OUT ON.

Try Heb 9:24,25 then tell me why you refuse to go to church as the bible commands.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 6:11pm

Proverbs 15:2
The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.

Proverbs 15:14
The heart of him that hath understanding seeketh knowledge: but the mouth of fools feedeth on foolishness.

Proverbs 29:9
If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest.

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Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 6:14pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

repeated quotations of walls of scripture in an antiquated version only proves my point about what you are - a biblical conspirotard.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 6:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:51pm:

Ah, you caught me out again LW !!!!

You are just too smart for me LW !!!!

:)

Q.
LW, has anyone on OzPol ever won an argument with you ?

;D

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 9:53pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 6:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:51pm:

Ah, you caught me out again LW !!!!

You are just too smart for me LW !!!!

:)

Q.
LW, has anyone on OzPol ever won an argument with you ?

;D

OCCASIONALLY, but never you.

Go to church...

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by mortdooley on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:02am:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 9:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

What moron compares owning a gun to locking your front door??

dumbass

you equate 'self-defence' with guns. That is the error in your argument. There is more to defence than weapons.

Not really but if I have to defend myself I will not give the aggressor an even chance. A friend was once bullied into pleading guilty to a lesser charge for defending himself and can no longer own firearms. He now keeps a quality, sharp reproduction Gladius for home protection.

A person could always dedicate years studying the Martial arts and hopefully fend off an armed attacker. Or you can do the "cower and snivel" which may save you.

See, more ways to defend yourself or not than resorting to firearms! We wouldn't want to give criminals a hostile work environment now would we?

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:41pm

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:02am:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 9:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

What moron compares owning a gun to locking your front door??

dumbass

you equate 'self-defence' with guns. That is the error in your argument. There is more to defence than weapons.

Your life is miserable. I dont need ANYTHING for self protection nor does anyone I know.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Richdude on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 11:32pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:41pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:02am:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 9:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

What moron compares owning a gun to locking your front door??

dumbass

you equate 'self-defence' with guns. That is the error in your argument. There is more to defence than weapons.

Your life is miserable. I dont need ANYTHING for self protection nor does anyone I know.

Because you "cower and snivel" (thanks Mort) in you Mom's basement and feel safe, therefore everyone in the World should too?

Out in the real World its not that simple or predictable.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by mortdooley on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 11:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:41pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 10:02am:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 9:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 12:53pm:

What moron compares owning a gun to locking your front door??

dumbass

you equate 'self-defence' with guns. That is the error in your argument. There is more to defence than weapons.

Your life is miserable. I dont need ANYTHING for self protection nor does anyone I know.

Actually my life is very good but I understand. When you got nothing you stoop to insults!

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Bias_2012 on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 2:16am

https://youtu.be/e2H4NH16kC8

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Bias_2012 on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 2:37am

https://youtu.be/Oq7Mq2KYBFo

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 8:32am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 9:53pm:

Go to church...

You reside there, LW.

A place full of contradiction and lies.

Matthew 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

"Going to church does not make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car."
- Billy Sunday

Matthew 6:5
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 8:45am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:29pm:

At least I go to Church.

You dont.

Correct.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 2:44pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:29pm:

At least I go to Church.

You dont.

Correct.

Of course you dont. Clowns like you like to quite the bible endlessly and out of context.

I expected nothing more.

Your 'christianity' has to now be qualified as 'alleged'.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:29pm:

At least I go to Church.

You dont.

Correct.

Of course you dont.

Clowns like you like to quite the bible endlessly and out of context.

I expected nothing more.

Your 'christianity' has to now be qualified as 'alleged'.

LW,

Did Jesus quote the bible out of context too, when he quoted specific verses from the Old Testament ?

Or was Jesus legitimately speaking to the future, speaking to warn the people of a future age,
of a coming widespread hypocrisy among many of those who claim to have the authority, to speak for the church present in this world ?

Matthew 15:7
Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Isaiah 29:10-15

.

2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:08pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:29pm:

At least I go to Church.

You dont.

Correct.

Of course you dont.

Clowns like you like to quite the bible endlessly and out of context.

I expected nothing more.

Your 'christianity' has to now be qualified as 'alleged'.

Jesus established the Church that you refuse to go to. He also noted that the Devil could also quote scripture.

Go to church...

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by freediver on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm

freediver wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 6:51am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:27pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:02pm:

[the 2nd amendment right, in the U.S.]

It's funny to watch Americans who still take this seriously as a "right", despite how ludicrous it has become.

I notice you refrain from mentioning guns. Why is that? Is this your way of agreeing with me?

Yadda, do you think owning guns is a fundamental human right?

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 12:05pm

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 6:51am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:27pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:02pm:

[the 2nd amendment right, in the U.S.]

It's funny to watch Americans who still take this seriously as a "right", despite how ludicrous it has become.

I notice you refrain from mentioning guns. Why is that? Is this your way of agreeing with me?

Yadda, do you think owning guns is a fundamental human right?

He will probably (mis)quote the bible to support that.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 11:21pm

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 6:51am:

I notice you refrain from mentioning guns. Why is that? Is this your way of agreeing with me?

Yadda, do you think owning guns is a fundamental human right?

Ooooh, that is a very difficult question to address FD.

Google;
w.a. police arming up

3,625px × 2,037px

IMAGE.....

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/wa-police-to-be-armed-with-semi-automatic-ar-15-rifles-by-spring-ng-b88887365z

Hey FD,

All animals are equal.

But some animals are more equal than others.

....but i can categorically state, that those who are servants of the political state clearly DO HAVE a fundamental human right to have access to firearms.

And, that this is a human right which a normal [criminal-conviction free] peaceful, law-abiding citizen of Australia, does not have.

Coz    special laws    apply, to those persons who are servants of the political state.

Whereas    COMMON LAW    applies to every other [criminal-conviction free] peaceful, law-abiding citizen of Australia.

And i know, that you know, that that, is what the framers of our Australian constitution always intended.

Agreed ?

All animals are equal.

But some animals are more equal than others.

.

ARGUMENT;
The SOURCE of our rights determines the NATURE [i.e. quality] of our rights.

Hey FD,

QUESTION;
Are you a communist ?    [i.e. do you believe that all of our rights, are derived from, and are, the 'gift' of the authority of our government?]

Hey FD,

If you would watch this YT....

I'd be interested to know if you disagree with the arguments which are presented in this YT, on whether ALL rights are held [owned] by the citizens of a nation ?

Or, that are ALL of the rights [of citizens] are the 'gift' of the government of any nation ?

Pt1 The Nature and Origin of Human Rights
9 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkSHg3JV_V8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkSHg3JV_V8

Hey FD,

IMO, the government [any legitimate government, of a free people] derives all of its authority from its citizens.

Therefore, any legitimate government, has no right to restrict the rights [authority] of its citizens.

Why so ?       goto 6 min 00 secs in the YT

Because in a nation of [lawful and peace-able] freedoms and rights held by citizens, ALL authority of the government, comes directly from the authority of the people, to endow that authority [as a steward] to a government.

All authority to govern is derived from the authority [sovereignty] of the people [in a state where citizens have sovereignty].

....unless the government has usurped all authority for all of the [lawful and peace-able] freedoms and rights held by citizens, and the government has become an autocratic dictatorship.

.

for others...

checkout these titles, found here....

https://www.youtube.com/user/ST0PandL00K/videos

Gun Control
Pt0 INTRO - Individualism vs Collectivism
Pt1 The Nature and Origin of Human Rights
Pt2 Group Supremacy
Pt3 Coercion vs Freedom
Pt4 Equality and Inequality under Law
Pt5 Proper role of Government

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Richdude on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 11:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:08pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:29pm:

At least I go to Church.

You dont.

Correct.

Of course you dont.

Clowns like you like to quite the bible endlessly and out of context.

I expected nothing more.

Your 'christianity' has to now be qualified as 'alleged'.

Jesus established the Church that you refuse to go to. He also noted that the Devil could also quote scripture.

Go to church...

Why should Yadda go to church - hasn't done much for you!

Yadda is far more evolved than you - he doesn't encourage the murder of political opponents as you do. You are a lost soul who has no personal beliefs except for you own selfish interest and dogma. You are in fact a spiritual vacuum with no core values of your own.

Jesus did not establish the church - numskull! He taught to enlighten others away from the bondage of churches of authority. You as a blindly obedient authoritarian. You are following the opposite of Jesus's teaching.

Jesus was crucified for his refusal to conform to the belief system of the day.

In a similar way Trump is also being crucified for being against the corrupt authority we have now.

None of this of course will have any impact on the Dead One.

As Aqua said "Barabas, Barabas , Barabas............"

Its all very sad!

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 11:27pm

Cheers, Richdude.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Richdude on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 12:07am

Yadda wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 11:27pm:

Cheers, Richdude.

I don't believe Weak End goes to church - a pretense to improve his credibility. Or that he sits site there with his fingers in his ears.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by mortdooley on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:42am

I'm not going to question whether he attends a Sunday service but if he does I wonder how he reconciles it with abortion!

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Sad Kangaroo on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:47am

I find the more concerning rise of anti-Constitutionalists being the Trumptards who ignore the constitution when it suits them to help them protect Trump.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by mortdooley on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 1:01pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:47am:

I find the more concerning rise of anti-Constitutionalists being the Trumptards who ignore the constitution when it suits them to help them protect Trump.

I don't see the conservative side being anti constitution, I see the Left still trying to fundamentally transform America!

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Sad Kangaroo on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 1:55pm

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 1:01pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:47am:

I find the more concerning rise of anti-Constitutionalists being the Trumptards who ignore the constitution when it suits them to help them protect Trump.

I don't see the conservative side being anti constitution, I see the Left still trying to fundamentally transform America!

But the right will abandon the constitution in defence of Trump and do it all the time.

Mech just as recently as this morning thinks the 25th amendment is treason.

Free speech gets attacked and shut down if they don't like it.

If you can pick and choose when the constitution is important, you're fundamentally anti-constitutional.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Bias_2012 on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 4:29pm

The Constitution is very important, that's why Trump is draining the "swamp", to ensure it's not violated

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Sad Kangaroo on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 4:45pm

Don't confuse his rhetoric with his actions. They aren't the same.

If you're capable of objectively looking at his appointments and hand picks it tells a very different story than Trump.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 6:15pm

Richdude wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 11:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:08pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:29pm:

At least I go to Church.

You dont.

Correct.

Of course you dont.

Clowns like you like to quite the bible endlessly and out of context.

I expected nothing more.

Your 'christianity' has to now be qualified as 'alleged'.

Jesus established the Church that you refuse to go to. He also noted that the Devil could also quote scripture.

Go to church...

Why should Yadda go to church - hasn't done much for you!

Yadda is far more evolved than you - he doesn't encourage the murder of political opponents as you do. You are a lost soul who has no personal beliefs except for you own selfish interest and dogma. You are in fact a spiritual vacuum with no core values of your own.

Jesus did not establish the church - numskull! He taught to enlighten others away from the bondage of churches of authority. You as a blindly obedient authoritarian. You are following the opposite of Jesus's teaching.

Jesus was crucified for his refusal to conform to the belief system of the day.

In a similar way Trump is also being crucified for being against the corrupt authority we have now.

None of this of course will have any impact on the Dead One.

As Aqua said "Barabas, Barabas , Barabas............"

Its all very sad!

not a great fan of history, are you idiot?

Jesus established the church and this is accepted by everyone other than morons ie you.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 6:17pm

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:42am:

I'm not going to question whether he attends a Sunday service but if he does I wonder how he reconciles it with abortion!

all this shows is that you are so hopelessly partisan and black and white in your thinking that you cannot understand anybody else.

I vehemently oppose abortion and am on record as saying thus.

What you cannot understand is how someone can oppose Trump - who paid for an abortion at least once - and be opposed to abortion.

YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO THINK.

imbecile.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by mortdooley on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 6:17pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:42am:

I'm not going to question whether he attends a Sunday service but if he does I wonder how he reconciles it with abortion!

I have no problem thinking, I think you are a hypocrite. You justify the persecution of a man very qualified to be a Supreme Court Justice for political reasons. You have replaced "Right and Wrong" in your world with "The ends justify the means! I don't know what opinion I would have of the man Donald Trump but the job he is doing as President is one success after another for the American people. You shouldn't bring up your Faith, I attend church regularly as well and wouldn't want to be compared to you!

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by mortdooley on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 9:22pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 1:55pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 1:01pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:47am:

I find the more concerning rise of anti-Constitutionalists being the Trumptards who ignore the constitution when it suits them to help them protect Trump.

I don't see the conservative side being anti constitution, I see the Left still trying to fundamentally transform America!

No, I see the Left wanting to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove a sitting President, legally elected by the people because their candidate lost. Their parasitic power is in danger, the public should be coming after them with torches and pitchforks. He is the most effective President we have had in generations and should be the standard for all future Presidents!

The Constitution is a restriction on government, to protect the people from its abuse. You confuse government with Country, Trump is a Patriot who threatens the power of those in Government. His greatest accomplishment will probably be that he took power away from big government, that is not being anti-constitutional. There is an often repeated saying that "I love my Country but fear my Government". That is pretty much where we have been for more than 50 years!

Free speech is alive and well as long as the Left approves of the content, you must be a true believer to not see that. Take the red pill, Nancy, Maxine, Chuck and Hollywood Rob, Bob, Alyissa and Ashley have lost their minds with hate. You can recover, they can't!

Due to Social Media becoming such a large part of the information as well as the Disinformation age they have become a public utility. As a Utility the public would be better served if they were broken up into smaller companies. The Left has no filter on their comments and have no obstructions on what they say so I don't see their freedom of speech restricted.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 9:35pm

@ Reply #63

mortdooley,

Nice post !!!

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 10:30pm

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 6:17pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:42am:

I'm not going to question whether he attends a Sunday service but if he does I wonder how he reconciles it with abortion!

how is it persecution to bring up a very real act of abuse that he committed? How is it wrong to investigate and then consider it? Here is the problem: you are so politically partisan that NOTHING ranks above it. The guy could be a child molester and you wouldnt care. After all, your ilk nearly voted in a pedophile Roy Moore.

Maybe you should listen a bit more to the words of Jesus regarding leadership.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 10:34pm

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 9:22pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 1:55pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 1:01pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:47am:

I find the more concerning rise of anti-Constitutionalists being the Trumptards who ignore the constitution when it suits them to help them protect Trump.

I don't see the conservative side being anti constitution, I see the Left still trying to fundamentally transform America!

I know you truly dont think so, but a very large majority of medically qualified people state that Trump is mentally unfit for office. By way of comparison, 100% of people who work with him refer to him as an f...ing idiot, a baby or a moron.

the 25th exists to protect the country from an insane nut-bag president.

The only people who think trump is sane and normal are people who have never met him. Those who have - even those who he calls friends - admit that he is a liar, a charlatan, a conman and unstable.

get used to the fact that Trump is literally a lunatic.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by mortdooley on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 12:02am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 10:30pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 6:17pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:42am:

I'm not going to question whether he attends a Sunday service but if he does I wonder how he reconciles it with abortion!

We have a pussy hat wearing social justice warrior claiming an assault that no one else remembers. She doesn't remember when this assault happened or where but she does know the mother of Judge Kavanaugh foreclosed on her parents home! She hates President Trump and Judge Kavanaugh so she makes up a crime to smear a man with a spotless life!

As for Roy Moore the smear worked, there never was proof just a smear campaign to cost him enough votes to lose the election.

There is no reason to believe the slander against either man but the liberal media does its best to convict in the court of public opinion. Innocent until proven guilty, maybe you have heard of it!

http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2018/09/lets-call-this-what-it-is.html?m=1

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Richdude on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 12:19am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 10:34pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 9:22pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 1:55pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 1:01pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:47am:

I find the more concerning rise of anti-Constitutionalists being the Trumptards who ignore the constitution when it suits them to help them protect Trump.

I don't see the conservative side being anti constitution, I see the Left still trying to fundamentally transform America!

So now its back to name calling. Every other ruse has not worked and the left is going out of their minds.

You claim to go to church yet you don't even know the origins of your religion.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Richdude on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 3:42am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Richdude wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 11:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:08pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:29pm:

At least I go to Church.

You dont.

Correct.

Of course you dont.

Clowns like you like to quite the bible endlessly and out of context.

I expected nothing more.

Your 'christianity' has to now be qualified as 'alleged'.

Jesus established the Church that you refuse to go to. He also noted that the Devil could also quote scripture.

Go to church...

Why should Yadda go to church - hasn't done much for you!

Yadda is far more evolved than you - he doesn't encourage the murder of political opponents as you do. You are a lost soul who has no personal beliefs except for you own selfish interest and dogma. You are in fact a spiritual vacuum with no core values of your own.

Jesus did not establish the church - numskull! He taught to enlighten others away from the bondage of churches of authority. You as a blindly obedient authoritarian. You are following the opposite of Jesus's teaching.

Jesus was crucified for his refusal to conform to the belief system of the day.

In a similar way Trump is also being crucified for being against the corrupt authority we have now.

None of this of course will have any impact on the Dead One.

As Aqua said "Barabas, Barabas , Barabas............"

Its all very sad!

not a great fan of history, are you idiot?

Jesus established the church and this is accepted by everyone other than morons ie you.

From memory the first real church was the Catholic Church established after the Council of Nicea about 300 AD. So the church was based upon his works but not by him.

You truly are an imbecile and a FRAUD! If you were a church goer as you claim - you would know that. In fact you an error in just about everything. You're not interested in the truth - just propaganda ie lying!

Ozpolsters, Weak End's new name is LONG FRAUD.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Bias_2012 on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 4:38am

Richdude wrote on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 3:42am:

Ozpolsters, Weak End's new name is LONG FRAUD.

LoL ;D

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 9:42am

Richdude wrote on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 3:42am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Richdude wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 11:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:08pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:29pm:

At least I go to Church.

You dont.

Correct.

Of course you dont.

Clowns like you like to quite the bible endlessly and out of context.

I expected nothing more.

Your 'christianity' has to now be qualified as 'alleged'.

Jesus established the Church that you refuse to go to. He also noted that the Devil could also quote scripture.

Go to church...

Why should Yadda go to church - hasn't done much for you!

Yadda is far more evolved than you - he doesn't encourage the murder of political opponents as you do. You are a lost soul who has no personal beliefs except for you own selfish interest and dogma. You are in fact a spiritual vacuum with no core values of your own.

Jesus did not establish the church - numskull! He taught to enlighten others away from the bondage of churches of authority. You as a blindly obedient authoritarian. You are following the opposite of Jesus's teaching.

Jesus was crucified for his refusal to conform to the belief system of the day.

In a similar way Trump is also being crucified for being against the corrupt authority we have now.

None of this of course will have any impact on the Dead One.

As Aqua said "Barabas, Barabas , Barabas............"

Its all very sad!

not a great fan of history, are you idiot?

Jesus established the church and this is accepted by everyone other than morons ie you.

The church was established on the Day of PEntecost 40 days after Jesus' ascension. If you bothered to actually READ The bible instead of selectively using a concordance to quote it out of context, you'd know that.

GO TO CHURCH

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Panther on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 11:07am

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 1:55pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 1:01pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:47am:

I find the more concerning rise of anti-Constitutionalists being the Trumptards who ignore the constitution when it suits them to help them protect Trump.

I don't see the conservative side being anti constitution, I see the Left still trying to fundamentally transform America!

To an extent I have to agree with you.

And, for everyone's edification, there is but one definition of treason in American Law, & that's the definition in the US Constitution.......

Quote:

Article III, Section III

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

During wartime, not peace time.

..

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 12:21pm

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 12:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 10:30pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 6:17pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:42am:

I'm not going to question whether he attends a Sunday service but if he does I wonder how he reconciles it with abortion!

if you had even the slightest understanding about what happened and how she talked to it with her mother, her friends and her therapist AT THE TIME, you might reconsider your accusations.

But what is most shocking is your complete disregard for a sexual assault victim.

You are a disgrace.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 12:22pm

Panther wrote on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 11:07am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 1:55pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 1:01pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 8:47am:

I find the more concerning rise of anti-Constitutionalists being the Trumptards who ignore the constitution when it suits them to help them protect Trump.

I don't see the conservative side being anti constitution, I see the Left still trying to fundamentally transform America!

To an extent I have to agree with you.

And, for everyone's edification, there is but one definition of treason in American Law, & that's the definition in the US Constitution.......

Quote:

During wartime, not peace time.

..

who are you??? you are correcting the excesses of trumptards??? before long, you might even agree on the rule of law!!!

who would think it possible?

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Bojack Horseman on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 12:25pm

I'm thinking either Panthers been drunk, finally got laid or been replaced

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 12:26pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 12:25pm:

I'm thinking either Panthers been drunk, finally got laid or been replaced

good options... I also read Mech condemning a republican who molested his daughter so who knows... maybe there is a mental health movement among trumptards???

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Richdude on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 12:36pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 9:42am:

Richdude wrote on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 3:42am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Richdude wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 11:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:08pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:29pm:

At least I go to Church.

You dont.

Correct.

Of course you dont.

Clowns like you like to quite the bible endlessly and out of context.

I expected nothing more.

Your 'christianity' has to now be qualified as 'alleged'.

Jesus established the Church that you refuse to go to. He also noted that the Devil could also quote scripture.

Go to church...

Why should Yadda go to church - hasn't done much for you!

Yadda is far more evolved than you - he doesn't encourage the murder of political opponents as you do. You are a lost soul who has no personal beliefs except for you own selfish interest and dogma. You are in fact a spiritual vacuum with no core values of your own.

Jesus did not establish the church - numskull! He taught to enlighten others away from the bondage of churches of authority. You as a blindly obedient authoritarian. You are following the opposite of Jesus's teaching.

Jesus was crucified for his refusal to conform to the belief system of the day.

In a similar way Trump is also being crucified for being against the corrupt authority we have now.

None of this of course will have any impact on the Dead One.

As Aqua said "Barabas, Barabas , Barabas............"

Its all very sad!

not a great fan of history, are you idiot?

Jesus established the church and this is accepted by everyone other than morons ie you.

Such BS Long Fraud!

You have never read the bible. However you have have learnt to google.

But Long Fraud you haven't answered the question.

Jesus never established the church. The Catholics were established with the help of the Romans hundreds of years later. They persecuted other christian sects such as Cathars and Knostics that adhered to Jesus's teachings. Wiped them out! Thus entering in the dark age - the old World Order. This was not what Jesus intended. Now there is perhaps a new World Order in opposition to Jesus's teaching - helped by evil idiots like you.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 4:25pm

Richdude wrote on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 12:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 9:42am:

Richdude wrote on Sep 24^th, 2018 at 3:42am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Richdude wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 11:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:08pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 5:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2018 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 5:29pm:

At least I go to Church.

You dont.

Correct.

Of course you dont.

Clowns like you like to quite the bible endlessly and out of context.

I expected nothing more.

Your 'christianity' has to now be qualified as 'alleged'.

Jesus established the Church that you refuse to go to. He also noted that the Devil could also quote scripture.

Go to church...

not a great fan of history, are you idiot?

Jesus established the church and this is accepted by everyone other than morons ie you.

You are just an idiot who knows nothing about the bible nor church history. Give it up. your reputation here and elsewhere is that you are an ignoramous.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 26^th, 2018 at 7:38pm

freediver wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 6:51am:

I notice you refrain from mentioning guns. Why is that? Is this your way of agreeing with me?

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm:

Yadda, do you think owning guns is a fundamental human right?

freediver,

Why would any reasonable person argue,
that we must suppose, that a [criminal-conviction free] peaceful, law-abiding citizen of Israel,
would be any more responsible with a firearm [held for the purpose of self-defence],
than a [criminal-conviction free] peaceful, law-abiding citizen of Australia ?

------- >

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1537857079/5#5

Surely, the objective of the 'game' is to try to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals, exclusively ?

Not merely, to seek to keep firearms out of the hands of every peaceful, law-abiding citizen ?

Gun Control STOP and LOOK
9 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RoMqB0VU4U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RoMqB0VU4U

@ 15 secs into the YT

----- >

Because criminals will always seek to possess firearms,
all decent law-abiding citizens should also have lawful access to fireams.

Otherwise the criminals will win, and the decent law-abiding [unarmed] citizens will lose.

Because the decent law-abiding [unarmed] citizens will be at the mercy of the armed criminals.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Richdude on Sep 27^th, 2018 at 1:36am

Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2018 at 7:38pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 19^th, 2018 at 6:51am:

I notice you refrain from mentioning guns. Why is that? Is this your way of agreeing with me?

freediver wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2018 at 12:03pm:

Yadda, do you think owning guns is a fundamental human right?

Excellent video

Thanks Yadda

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Richdude on Sep 27^th, 2018 at 1:46am

You are just an idiot who knows nothing about the bible nor church history. Give it up. your reputation here and elsewhere is that you are an ignoramous.[/quote]
Quote Long Fraud.

You have been exposed again Long Fraud. And you, the sociopath that you are lashes out in the only way you can think of - insults.

You present yourself as an honest, respectable, church going pillar of society.

Except its all a lie. Not knowing your bible scripture - woops!. Big mistake! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Marla on Sep 27^th, 2018 at 2:02am

Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2018 at 7:38pm:

Otherwise the criminals will win, and the decent law-abiding [unarmed] citizens will lose.

Because the decent law-abiding [unarmed] citizens will be at the mercy of the armed criminals.

Spoken like the true racist/bigot you really are.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Sep 27^th, 2018 at 9:07am

Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2018 at 7:38pm:

Otherwise the criminals will win, and the decent law-abiding [unarmed] citizens will lose.

Because the decent law-abiding [unarmed] citizens will be at the mercy of the armed criminals.

Marla wrote on Sep 27^th, 2018 at 2:02am:

Spoken like the true racist/bigot you really are.

Hey Marla, you are just another angry bigoted 'ethnic', who is want to abuse people who you 'perceive' as your ethnic 'enemies'.

The best advice i can give to you Marla, is, Get over it.

Do the best you can with what you have been given [in this life], and stop with your self-damaging, irrational hatred of others.

Quote:

You clearly have a deeply racist agenda yourself, in all of your expressed political views.

It is clear to see, that all of your opinions and views have been informed by racial politics.

i.e.
The views of people, people that you identify as 'white', are 'coloured' [by you] as being racist,
whenever their views and political opinions do not wholly align with your worldview.

'RACIST' = = political views and opinions which differ, from the political views and opinions widely held by those identified as 'ethnics'.

Coz, to disagree with the political and culturally informed views which are held by any person who is identified as 'ethnic', proves a racist motive.

/sarc off

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1537861964/7#7

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 27^th, 2018 at 9:56am

Richdude wrote on Sep 27^th, 2018 at 1:46am:

You are just an idiot who knows nothing about the bible nor church history. Give it up. your reputation here and elsewhere is that you are an ignoramous.

Quote Long Fraud.

You have been exposed again Long Fraud. And you, the sociopath that you are lashes out in the only way you can think of - insults.

You present yourself as an honest, respectable, church going pillar of society.

Except its all a lie. Not knowing your bible scripture - woops!. Big mistake! ;D ;D ;D ;D

[/quote]

Keep trying, RichDud.

I know my bible very well and unlike Yadda, I go to church and pray. Yadda does neither as he will confirm.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 27^th, 2018 at 9:57am

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2018 at 9:07am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2018 at 7:38pm:

Otherwise the criminals will win, and the decent law-abiding [unarmed] citizens will lose.

Because the decent law-abiding [unarmed] citizens will be at the mercy of the armed criminals.

Marla wrote on Sep 27^th, 2018 at 2:02am:

Spoken like the true racist/bigot you really are.

GO TO CHURCH, YADDA

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 12:36am

Quote:

Dem Colorado Governor Would Sign Bill Circumventing The Electoral College
Hank Berrien
February 25, 2019

On Sunday, the Democratic governor of Colorado, Jared Polis, stated that he would sign a bill allowing his state to circumvent the Electoral College, giving his state’s electoral votes to whomever won the national popular vote, thus allowing population heavy areas to determine the presidential election.

Polis told The Hill that he viewed the Electoral College as an “undemocratic relic,” adding, “I’ve long supported electing the president by who gets the most votes.

It’s a way to move towards direct election of the president.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/43931/dem-colorado-governor-would-sign-bill-hank-berrien

Pandering to the appetites of the 'common man', and promoting the 'virtue' of the utility of populism.

Its a slippery slope.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Sad KangAnon on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 5:40am

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 12:36am:

Quote:

You lost the right to complain about bypassing the constitution when you supported Trump's National Emergency Declaration.

End of story.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 7:50am

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 5:40am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 12:36am:

Quote:

You lost the right to complain about bypassing the constitution when you supported Trump's National Emergency Declaration.

End of story.

'Two wrongs do not make a right.'

.....unless you are a HRC, or a LEFTIST apparatchik working within the U.S. government today, doing everything that you can to frustrate DJ Trump's [lawfully elected] Administration.

/sarc off

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Sad KangAnon on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 7:52am

Yeah, but you can't selectively care about the constitution.

You either care about it or you don't.

The moment you don't, that's it.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:00am

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 7:50am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 5:40am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 12:36am:

Quote:

You lost the right to complain about bypassing the constitution when you supported Trump's National Emergency Declaration.

End of story.

and the Republicans who voted against everything Obama wanted??? Was that wrong too?

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:14am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:00am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 7:50am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 5:40am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 12:36am:

Quote:

You lost the right to complain about bypassing the constitution when you supported Trump's National Emergency Declaration.

End of story.

and the Republicans who voted against everything Obama wanted???

Was that wrong too?

You are referring to those lawfully elected Republicans, who, on the floor of the Congress and the Senate,
lawfully rejected legislation, presented to the Congress by Pres. Obama's Administration ???

Is that what you mean ?

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:18am

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:14am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:00am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 7:50am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 5:40am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 12:36am:

Quote:

You lost the right to complain about bypassing the constitution when you supported Trump's National Emergency Declaration.

End of story.

and the Republicans who voted against everything Obama wanted???

Was that wrong too?

the exact same thing Democrats are doing now, right? And that is also RIGHT, isnt it?

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:30am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:18am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:14am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:00am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 7:50am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 5:40am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 12:36am:

Quote:

You lost the right to complain about bypassing the constitution when you supported Trump's National Emergency Declaration.

End of story.

and the Republicans who voted against everything Obama wanted???

Was that wrong too?

the exact same thing Democrats are doing now, right? And that is also RIGHT, isnt it?

The Democrats have control of the House, today.

The Democrats are lawfully entitled to present and to pass [or reject] legislation in that chamber.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 1:07pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:30am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:18am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:14am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:00am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 7:50am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 5:40am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 12:36am:

Quote:

You lost the right to complain about bypassing the constitution when you supported Trump's National Emergency Declaration.

End of story.

and the Republicans who voted against everything Obama wanted???

Was that wrong too?

the exact same thing Democrats are doing now, right? And that is also RIGHT, isnt it?

The Democrats have control of the House, today.

The Democrats are lawfully entitled to present and to pass [or reject] legislation in that chamber.

WE already knew that. WE are however, surprised that YOU did. Even more so that you accept it.

Title: Re: The rise of the American anti-Constitutionalists
Post by Yadda on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 1:31pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 1:07pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:30am:

The Democrats have control of the House, today.

The Democrats are lawfully entitled to present and to pass [or reject] legislation in that chamber.

WE already knew that. WE are however, surprised that YOU did.

Even more so that you accept it.

longweekend,

I'm here to tell you, that i'm always comfortable with being underestimated by others.