https://www.sbs.com.au/news/my-health-record-opt-out-period-begins-what-you-need-to-know


Australians are being warned about potential privacy issues with the new digital My Health Record system.


Here's what you need to know.
Updated Updated 9 hours ago
By Evan Young


Is the data safe?

Security advocates are urging people to consider opting out, citing potential privacy issues.

"We’re concerned about how private information will be properly secured in the future. This government does not have the best track record when it comes to national databases of private information,” Digital Rights Watch Chair Tim Singleton Norton told SBS News, referring to Centrelink's controversial "robo-debt" recovery program.

Mr Singleton Norton said the government should reconsider its approach to the scheme.

“While My Health Record is a good idea, in theory, we need to make sure the emphasis is based on an individual rights-based approach, rather than what it is now, which is ‘let’s just build up a database now, and that’ll give us a wealth of knowledge and we’ll see how we’ll use it in the future," he said.

“That’s not caring about an individual’s right to control their privacy.”

It looks like too many people will have access:

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/my-health-record-privacy-doctors-support-2018-7


    The Australian government is creating a national online database known as My Health Record,
capable of storing your entire medical history.
    Privacy experts say a data breach is “inevitable” with more than 900,000 people in the sector able to access the information.
    Patients will have the ability to decide what information is uploaded and lock files.
    People have until October 15 if they want to opt out of the system.


The Australian Digital Health Agency (ADHA), which is responsible to introducing the system, says 12,860 healthcare professional organisations are already connected to the My Health Record database, including GPs, hospitals, pharmacies, diagnostic imaging and pathology practices.

Previously, police needed a warrant to obtain health records from a doctor. Law enforcement will be able to access My Health record if they are preventing or detecting or for fraud, in the case of “the protection of the public revenue”.

Already did it seems - I see documents from my doc that say not to be included in the records system - never even knew the question existed, but apparently the docs figure I need to tell them I want it...

Good thinking.

Yeah well dont try to call that help number - my sister was on hold for 3 hours then the kat jumped on the phone and hung her up. She didnt try again.

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:16am:

Yeah well dont try to call that help number - my sister was on hold for 3 hours then the kat jumped on the phone and hung her up. She didnt try again. Spot

Big Brother will keep your information safe.

I will opt out. They know where you are, what you buy and when. Its almost complete. Inevitable I suppose, but so open to abuse. If the military cannot keep secrets anymore, don't expect the government, or any one else, to honour privacy agreements.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:15am:

I will opt out. They know where you are, what you buy and when. Its almost complete. Inevitable I suppose, but so open to abuse. If the military cannot keep secrets anymore, don't expect the government, or any one else, to honour privacy agreements.

The Govt. is saying that 900,000 people can all be trusted.  :o

issuevoter wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:15am:

I will opt out. They know where you are, what you buy and when. Its almost complete. Inevitable I suppose, but so open to abuse. If the military cannot keep secrets anymore, don't expect the government, or any one else, to honour privacy agreements.

Back in 2002 I had a business name that i didnt renew. I had a special PO box just for myself that they wanted for postal address and when I didnt renew i started getting spam at that Po box. the govt sells the info for ppl that dont renew!

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 7:29am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 7:15am: I will opt out. They know where you are, what you buy and when. Its almost complete. Inevitable I suppose, but so open to abuse. If the military cannot keep secrets anymore, don't expect the government, or any one else, to honour privacy agreements. Back in 2002 I had a business name that i didnt renew. I had a special PO box just for myself that they wanted for postal address and when I didnt renew i started getting spam at that Po box. the govt sells the info for ppl that dont renew! Spot

Within a week of going to hospital many years ago
I started getting unsolicited calls on my mobile phone
trying to sell me everything.
I had never had them before.
I can only assume that someone in the hospital sold my mobile number to scammers.

I don't trust the grubberment

So I'll be opting out pretty soon.

The public servants will sell access to insurance companies and medical insurance at the first opportunity.
They will also use it to watch your habits and medical needs so they can reduce BENIFITS wherever they can.

Trust the grubberment

NEVER

I signed up to eHealth several years ago because a neighbour mentioned it, but mostly to check what it had of MY records ... there was bugger all there. 

My elderly GP can barely use a keyboard, less alone transfer all my stuff to something online and I suspect that his "minders" don't have a clue either.  ::)

Valkie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 5:50pm:

I don't trust the grubberment So I'll be opting out pretty soon. The public servants will sell access to insurance companies and medical insurance at the first opportunity. They will also use it to watch your habits and medical needs so they can reduce BENIFITS wherever they can. Trust the grubberment NEVER

But I'm from the Govt. - do you trust me?

yes i will opt out for fear of all my records ending up in India somewhere.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:18pm:

yes i will opt out for fear of all my records ending up in India somewhere.

I will try to opt out.
I wonder if you really can opt out?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 7:31am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:18pm: yes i will opt out for fear of all my records ending up in India somewhere. I will try to opt out. I wonder if you really can opt out?

They dont make it easy. You should see the amount of ID tey want to opt you out. If you dont drive, havent been overseas, and arent an immigrant good luck with that!

Spot

I am not allowed to read my medical records. Not sure how opting out will change things.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 3:33pm:

I am not allowed to read my medical records. Not sure how opting out will change things.

Thats a point. Nobody is allowed to. One time in hospital they left my file near me and went away and when they came back i was reading it. they snatched it from me and explained that it is classified and im not allowed to read it. You can imagine the argument that followed but the short of it is you arent allowed to read your own records.

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 3:43pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:33pm: I am not allowed to read my medical records. Not sure how opting out will change things. Thats a point. Nobody is allowed to. One time in hospital they left my file near me and went away and when they came back i was reading it. they snatched it from me and explained that it is classified and im not allowed to read it. You can imagine the argument that followed but the short of it is you arent allowed to read your own records.

Same thing happened to me. Was in hospital for teeth extraction. They left the medical records with me, whilst I slept off a recovery. I woke up and used that for reading material. A lot of bullshit that they wrote during my stay in mental health. They came over and told me that I was not supposed to read the file. Did not snatch it from me, though.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 3:51pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:43pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:33pm: I am not allowed to read my medical records. Not sure how opting out will change things. Thats a point. Nobody is allowed to. One time in hospital they left my file near me and went away and when they came back i was reading it. they snatched it from me and explained that it is classified and im not allowed to read it. You can imagine the argument that followed but the short of it is you arent allowed to read your own records. Same thing happened to me. Was in hospital for teeth extraction. They left the medical records with me, whilst I slept off a recovery. I woke up and used that for reading material. A lot of bullshit that they wrote during my stay in mental health. They came over and told me that I was not supposed to read the file. Did not snatch it from me, though.

Heh i think the snatching was because i was actually in there because of a medical "accident".

Spot

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 3:51pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:43pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:33pm: I am not allowed to read my medical records. Not sure how opting out will change things. Thats a point. Nobody is allowed to. One time in hospital they left my file near me and went away and when they came back i was reading it. they snatched it from me and explained that it is classified and im not allowed to read it. You can imagine the argument that followed but the short of it is you arent allowed to read your own records. Same thing happened to me. Was in hospital for teeth extraction. They left the medical records with me, whilst I slept off a recovery. I woke up and used that for reading material. A lot of bullshit that they wrote during my stay in mental health. They came over and told me that I was not supposed to read the file. Did not snatch it from me, though.

And yet 900,000 strangers will be allowed to read your records - go figure?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 4:17pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:51pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:43pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:33pm: I am not allowed to read my medical records. Not sure how opting out will change things. Thats a point. Nobody is allowed to. One time in hospital they left my file near me and went away and when they came back i was reading it. they snatched it from me and explained that it is classified and im not allowed to read it. You can imagine the argument that followed but the short of it is you arent allowed to read your own records. Same thing happened to me. Was in hospital for teeth extraction. They left the medical records with me, whilst I slept off a recovery. I woke up and used that for reading material. A lot of bullshit that they wrote during my stay in mental health. They came over and told me that I was not supposed to read the file. Did not snatch it from me, though. And yet 900,000 strangers will be allowed to read your records - go figure?

900,000 strangers already know that I am schizophrenic.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 4:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:17pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:51pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:43pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:33pm: I am not allowed to read my medical records. Not sure how opting out will change things. Thats a point. Nobody is allowed to. One time in hospital they left my file near me and went away and when they came back i was reading it. they snatched it from me and explained that it is classified and im not allowed to read it. You can imagine the argument that followed but the short of it is you arent allowed to read your own records. Same thing happened to me. Was in hospital for teeth extraction. They left the medical records with me, whilst I slept off a recovery. I woke up and used that for reading material. A lot of bullshit that they wrote during my stay in mental health. They came over and told me that I was not supposed to read the file. Did not snatch it from me, though. And yet 900,000 strangers will be allowed to read your records - go figure? 900,000 strangers already know that I am schizophrenic.

What - a really bad one who hears voices telling him to kill people?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 4:33pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:17pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:51pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:43pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:33pm: I am not allowed to read my medical records. Not sure how opting out will change things. Thats a point. Nobody is allowed to. One time in hospital they left my file near me and went away and when they came back i was reading it. they snatched it from me and explained that it is classified and im not allowed to read it. You can imagine the argument that followed but the short of it is you arent allowed to read your own records. Same thing happened to me. Was in hospital for teeth extraction. They left the medical records with me, whilst I slept off a recovery. I woke up and used that for reading material. A lot of bullshit that they wrote during my stay in mental health. They came over and told me that I was not supposed to read the file. Did not snatch it from me, though. And yet 900,000 strangers will be allowed to read your records - go figure? 900,000 strangers already know that I am schizophrenic. What - a really bad one who hears voices telling him to kill people?

Yeah Bobby that's the right thing to say

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 6:34pm:

Yeah Bobby that's the right thing to say Spot

Well - I had to ask.
What will people think if they see that on his record?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 4:33pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:17pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:51pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:43pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:33pm: I am not allowed to read my medical records. Not sure how opting out will change things. Thats a point. Nobody is allowed to. One time in hospital they left my file near me and went away and when they came back i was reading it. they snatched it from me and explained that it is classified and im not allowed to read it. You can imagine the argument that followed but the short of it is you arent allowed to read your own records. Same thing happened to me. Was in hospital for teeth extraction. They left the medical records with me, whilst I slept off a recovery. I woke up and used that for reading material. A lot of bullshit that they wrote during my stay in mental health. They came over and told me that I was not supposed to read the file. Did not snatch it from me, though. And yet 900,000 strangers will be allowed to read your records - go figure? 900,000 strangers already know that I am schizophrenic. What - a really bad one who hears voices telling him to kill people?

No. Just one that had a chemical imbalance of the brain. And, at worst, has a disposition to occasionally not show proper discretion on message boards.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 9:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:33pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:17pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:51pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:43pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:33pm: I am not allowed to read my medical records. Not sure how opting out will change things. Thats a point. Nobody is allowed to. One time in hospital they left my file near me and went away and when they came back i was reading it. they snatched it from me and explained that it is classified and im not allowed to read it. You can imagine the argument that followed but the short of it is you arent allowed to read your own records. Same thing happened to me. Was in hospital for teeth extraction. They left the medical records with me, whilst I slept off a recovery. I woke up and used that for reading material. A lot of bullshit that they wrote during my stay in mental health. They came over and told me that I was not supposed to read the file. Did not snatch it from me, though. And yet 900,000 strangers will be allowed to read your records - go figure? 900,000 strangers already know that I am schizophrenic. What - a really bad one who hears voices telling him to kill people? No. Just one that had a chemical imbalance of the brain. And, at worst, has a disposition to occasionally not show proper discretion on message boards.

That's OK but you see my point -
you don't want other people to read "schizophrenic"
and then come to all sorts of false conclusions.

What about if a woman has had an abortion?
What if someone has had VD?

Do you really want Mr Lim
at the local pharmacy to read all about it?

I voluntarily tell people that I am schizophrenic. I have no shame admitting it. Sometimes, I use my condition as an explanation for my rare behaviour.

If Mr Lim at the local pharmacy sees that I am schizophrenic, I am sure he would be professional enough not to draw any wild conclusions.

I will give you an example of the schizophrenic delusion I had back in the day. People sometimes mistakenly assume someone to be someone else. Most of the time, we quickly get our facts straight and realise that we were wrong. Whilst I would likely assume that the person I have mistaken is still the other person, until such a point (days, weeks, months later) when I clear, or I have corrected my chemical imbalance of the brain.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 9:37pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 9:20pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:33pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 4:17pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:51pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:43pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:33pm: I am not allowed to read my medical records. Not sure how opting out will change things. Thats a point. Nobody is allowed to. One time in hospital they left my file near me and went away and when they came back i was reading it. they snatched it from me and explained that it is classified and im not allowed to read it. You can imagine the argument that followed but the short of it is you arent allowed to read your own records. Same thing happened to me. Was in hospital for teeth extraction. They left the medical records with me, whilst I slept off a recovery. I woke up and used that for reading material. A lot of bullshit that they wrote during my stay in mental health. They came over and told me that I was not supposed to read the file. Did not snatch it from me, though. And yet 900,000 strangers will be allowed to read your records - go figure? 900,000 strangers already know that I am schizophrenic. What - a really bad one who hears voices telling him to kill people? No. Just one that had a chemical imbalance of the brain. And, at worst, has a disposition to occasionally not show proper discretion on message boards. That's OK but you see my point - you don't want other people to read "schizophrenic" and then come to all sorts of false conclusions. What about if a woman has had an abortion? What if someone has had VD? Do you really want Mr Lim at the local pharmacy to read all about it?

Yeah i get your point though bobby. Thats what people will think - not good for landing a job. I have to wonder though if the medical "accidents" are included in the files? I hope i can get rid of this thing but they want too much ID.

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 6:30am:

Yeah i get your point though bobby. That's what people will think - not good for landing a job. I have to wonder though if the medical "accidents" are included in the files? I hope i can get rid of this thing but they want too much ID. Spot

Not good for finding a job.


Latest news.

6 million Australians currently hold a My Health Record
and don't even know about it.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-07-18/my-health-record-opt-out-confusion/10000008


Australians have until October 15, 2018 to tell the Government they do not want a My Health Record — an online summary of their healthcare information.

The project aims to give users greater access to documents about their health and increase communication between doctors.

But some people have tried to opt out due to privacy concerns, only to discover they already have a health record set up.

Almost 6 million Australians currently hold a My Health Record, according to the Australian Digital Health Agency (ADHA).
Your questions about My Health Record answered
An illustration with a hand wearing a fitness tracker.

From privacy to cybersecurity.

Wes Mountain in Melbourne said he tried to opt out of My Health Record on Monday, but the system told him he already had a record.

He is certain he never actively created a My Health Record, but when he logged in, he found several documents relating to prescriptions were already uploaded.

When examining the access log, he found the first action taken on his account was a document added by an external provider — DHS Medicare Repository Services — in late June.

The first time he had ever personally accessed the record was on Monday, according to the access log shown to the ABC.

He plans on contacting the ADHA to try and figure out what happened, and see if his record can be deleted.

The ADHA is required to hold My Heath Record information (although it will be largely inaccessible) for 30 years after your death.

If the Libtards have anything to do with it you just know it will be a ballsup and your records will end up in insurers hands , I opted out the second I heard about it

In an emergency, I'd prefer to have the vital information needed about me or my family members available as quickly as possible.

I don't trust any Governmental Bureaucracy or even private firm with my data, but there is a balance between conspiratorial paranoia and helping to protect those you care about.

It's easy to say now while the honeypot is intact, however.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 7:46am:

In an emergency, I'd prefer to have the vital information needed about me or my family members available as quickly as possible. I don't trust any Governmental Bureaucracy or even private firm with my data, but there is a balance between conspiratorial paranoia and helping to protect those you care about. It's easy to say now while the honeypot is intact, however.

Conspirational?

Spot

Read about it here:

https://www.myhealthrecord.gov.au/

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19^th, 2018 at 8:05am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 7:46am: In an emergency, I'd prefer to have the vital information needed about me or my family members available as quickly as possible. I don't trust any Governmental Bureaucracy or even private firm with my data, but there is a balance between conspiratorial paranoia and helping to protect those you care about. It's easy to say now while the honeypot is intact, however. Conspirational? Spot

Seriously what conspiracy?

Spot

System crashes

https://www.zdnet.com/article/my-health-record-systems-collapse-under-more-opt-outs-than-expected/

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20^th, 2018 at 11:27am:

System crashes https://www.zdnet.com/article/my-health-record-systems-collapse-under-more-opt-outs-than-expected/ Spot

What a total Govt. stuff up.
How can trust clowns like this?

https://www.zdnet.com/article/my-health-record-systems-collapse-under-more-opt-outs-than-expected/


Australians attempting to opt out of the government's new centralised health records system online have been met with an unreliable website. Those phoning in have faced horrendous wait times, sometimes more than two hours, often to find that call centre systems were down as well, and staff unable to help.

The Australian Digital Health Agency (ADHA), which runs the My Health Record system, is reportedly telling callers that they weren't expecting the volume of opt-outs.

"On hold with @MyHealthRec for over 1.5 HOURS to opt out without providing my drivers license/passport number. Turns out their entire backed system has crashed and they are telling support staff to just punch peoples details into the website. Confidence inspiring!" tweeted one caller.

"The person i'm speaking to is stressed as bugger. Its their first day. I feel bad for her but she also has no idea what's going on and puts me on hold every time I ask something that's not on the script."

The problems started early on Monday, the first day of the three-month opt-out period before digital health records are created automatically.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/healthengine-caught-sharing-medical-data-with-compensation-lawyers-report/

HealthEngine caught sharing medical data with compensation lawyers: Report

The Telstra-backed online appointment booking service was sharing medical information with personal injury law firm Slater and Gordon, the ABC has reported.

Quote:

Security advocates are urging people to consider opting out, citing potential privacy issues.

I'm IN


In MY individual case, the "pros" far out weigh the "cons"


Two years ago I was ambulanced to intensive care with a near fatal case of diabetic ketoacidosis


This nasty condition also causes mental confusion
It was left to me to try and remember what prescribed medications I was on
I was treated over four days - in an induced coma
The emergency staff could have established my medications regime accurately and immediately through a "My Health" file

I doubt too many Russian agents would have any great interest in hacking the health details of this 62 year old physical train-wreck

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 4:30pm:

Quote: Security advocates are urging people to consider opting out, citing potential privacy issues. I'm IN In MY individual case, the "pros" far out weigh the "cons" Two years ago I was ambulanced to intensive care with a near fatal case of diabetic ketoacidosis This nasty condition also causes mental confusion It was left to me to try and remember what prescribed medications I was on I was treated over four days - in an induced coma The emergency staff could have established my medications regime accurately and immediately through a "My Health" file I doubt too many Russian agents would have any great interest in hacking the health details of this 62 year old physical train-wreck

And that's the pity.
If you opt out then you could be vulnerable if something goes wrong.

I opted out.

Wont be long until all the travel insurance companies have their own doctors paid to look up claimant records when necessary to quash claims for overseas hospitalisation due to some pre existing obscure condition.

From what Im hearing if you opt out they still make a record and keep it for 130 years but you cant access it

Spot

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 4:30pm:

Quote: Security advocates are urging people to consider opting out, citing potential privacy issues. I'm IN In MY individual case, the "pros" far out weigh the "cons" Two years ago I was ambulanced to intensive care with a near fatal case of diabetic ketoacidosis This nasty condition also causes mental confusion It was left to me to try and remember what prescribed medications I was on I was treated over four days - in an induced coma The emergency staff could have established my medications regime accurately and immediately through a "My Health" file I doubt too many Russian agents would have any great interest in hacking the health details of this 62 year old physical train-wreck

when I have been for blood tests  I have been asked   what meds are you taking.....

the chemist knows what meds I am taking....

all on computers that staff have access too?.....

I dont know what the fuss is about.!

cods wrote on Jul 24^th, 2018 at 9:34am:

the chemist knows what meds I am taking....

I agree my regular chemist knows what meds I have had from them in the past, as they will often comment on a new med you haven't had before.

Not sure if you went to a chemist on the other side of town if they would  know.

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 24^th, 2018 at 10:22am:

cods wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 9:34am: the chemist knows what meds I am taking.... I agree my regular chemist knows what meds I have had from them in the past, as they will often comment on a new med you haven't had before. Not sure if you went to a chemist on the other side of town if they would  know.

every year I end up on the free meds  and I get a card to use if I go to another chemist...so they can I presume use my account I have with my usual chemist.......if you get a lot of scripts re and not always the same chemist  tell the newby where your account is.. and they will add thatscript to the list....

one year I had 6 months free meds....the year of the bad hip...lolol

cods wrote on Jul 24^th, 2018 at 10:27am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 10:22am: cods wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 9:34am: the chemist knows what meds I am taking.... I agree my regular chemist knows what meds I have had from them in the past, as they will often comment on a new med you haven't had before. Not sure if you went to a chemist on the other side of town if they would  know. every year I end up on the free meds  and I get a card to use if I go to another chemist...so they can I presume use my account I have with my usual chemist.......if you get a lot of scripts re and not always the same chemist  tell the newby where your account is.. and they will add thatscript to the list.... one year I had 6 months free meds....the year of the bad hip...lolol

Sound like you are providing the doctor with a new Mercedes every year codsy !!

;D

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 24^th, 2018 at 10:37am:

cods wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 10:27am: Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 10:22am: cods wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 9:34am: the chemist knows what meds I am taking.... I agree my regular chemist knows what meds I have had from them in the past, as they will often comment on a new med you haven't had before. Not sure if you went to a chemist on the other side of town if they would  know. every year I end up on the free meds  and I get a card to use if I go to another chemist...so they can I presume use my account I have with my usual chemist.......if you get a lot of scripts re and not always the same chemist  tell the newby where your account is.. and they will add thatscript to the list.... one year I had 6 months free meds....the year of the bad hip...lolol Sound like you are providing the doctor with a new Mercedes every year codsy !! ;D

bloody hell!  tell me about it?

My parents just opted out.   We have too many friends who are doctors, and doctors can get quiet nosy.   I am still on the fence to opt out.  Not so much my medical information being shared, but my personal details like dob, address, medicare number etc.   These can be used to forge an identity. 

Why is the onus on us to opt out? we should be asked if we want to be on it, not asked if we DON'T want to be on it ... and if not enough people say yes, then these vulnerable records and website should not go ahead

Human rights are arse about in Australia. Who are the communists setting these things up and just turning us into numbers for a communist utopia?

The Health system should be about competent, suitably trained intelligent doctors who can diagnose on the spot without wasting valuable time possibly reading the wrong patients record with the same name - it happens and happens often, and if you as a patient is on a machines and out to it, you won't know if someone elses record is being applied to you

A doctor looking up these records is like a pilot of an airliner thumbing through the planes manual when the plane is close to crashing

Read this thread if you really want an insight into things that can go wrong ...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1485857667

Of all these concerning issues, there's one issue that really got my dander up. It's only mentioned briefly but it was about doctors taking drugs in their leisure time. The Minster got onto it but all the other issue are very serious as well

You won't be able to trust records and websites until you can fully trust the Healthcare System itself and the Public Service

At the moment, I trust no one and I opted out of the records many months ago, now I shouldn't have to opt out of the website publication of my records because they shouldn't be there ... but I'll look anyway, and if my name and records are there, I'll sue them

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 24^th, 2018 at 11:19am:

My parents just opted out.   We have too many friends who are doctors, and doctors can get quiet nosy.   I am still on the fence to opt out.  Not so much my medical information being shared, but my personal details like dob, address, medicare number etc.   These can be used to forge an identity.

very true... but we have no idea what info about us is out there anyway.....

if people can hack your bank accoun t  then they also know your other details dont they?... ::) ::)

its a fact of life today   your mobile has every movement you make on it...your visa card tells people what you eat for gods sakes...have a look at your trash account and see who has your email that you didnt give them.... ::) ::)

we are crazy if we think we hide anything...

cods wrote on Jul 24^th, 2018 at 9:34am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 4:30pm: Quote: Security advocates are urging people to consider opting out, citing potential privacy issues. I'm IN In MY individual case, the "pros" far out weigh the "cons" Two years ago I was ambulanced to intensive care with a near fatal case of diabetic ketoacidosis This nasty condition also causes mental confusion It was left to me to try and remember what prescribed medications I was on I was treated over four days - in an induced coma The emergency staff could have established my medications regime accurately and immediately through a "My Health" file I doubt too many Russian agents would have any great interest in hacking the health details of this 62 year old physical train-wreck when I have been for blood tests  I have been asked   what meds are you taking..... the chemist knows what meds I am taking.... all on computers that staff have access too?..... I dont know what the fuss is about.!

the fuss is about the fact it isnt secure and just about anyone can access your personal information including your medical information.

Spot

EVERYONE IS OPTING OUT: case closed!  :D

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 24^th, 2018 at 11:54am:

cods wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 9:34am: buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 4:30pm: Quote: Security advocates are urging people to consider opting out, citing potential privacy issues. I'm IN In MY individual case, the "pros" far out weigh the "cons" Two years ago I was ambulanced to intensive care with a near fatal case of diabetic ketoacidosis This nasty condition also causes mental confusion It was left to me to try and remember what prescribed medications I was on I was treated over four days - in an induced coma The emergency staff could have established my medications regime accurately and immediately through a "My Health" file I doubt too many Russian agents would have any great interest in hacking the health details of this 62 year old physical train-wreck when I have been for blood tests  I have been asked   what meds are you taking..... the chemist knows what meds I am taking.... all on computers that staff have access too?..... I dont know what the fuss is about.! the fuss is about the fact it isnt secure and just about anyone can access your personal information including your medical information. Spot

cods drinks metho: best leave the poor thing alone  :D :D

cods wrote on Jul 24^th, 2018 at 11:50am:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 11:19am: My parents just opted out.   We have too many friends who are doctors, and doctors can get quiet nosy.   I am still on the fence to opt out.  Not so much my medical information being shared, but my personal details like dob, address, medicare number etc.   These can be used to forge an identity.  very true... but we have no idea what info about us is out there anyway..... if people can hack your bank accoun t  then they also know your other details dont they?... ::) ::) its a fact of life today   your mobile has every movement you make on it...your visa card tells people what you eat for gods sakes...have a look at your trash account and see who has your email that you didnt give them.... ::) ::) we are crazy if we think we hide anything...

Get off the metho you crazy lunatic : you don't just give up because some cracked up idiot on the internet called cods says so!

           *** You are here for truly evil purposes aren't you buddy  ;) ;) ;) ;)

Get off the metho you crazy lunatic : you don't just give up because some cracked up idiot on the internet called cods says so!

           *** You are here for truly evil purposes aren't you buddy  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Get off the metho you crazy lunatic : you don't just give up because some cracked up idiot on the internet called cods says so!

           *** You are here for truly evil purposes aren't you buddy  ;) ;) ;) ;)



Get off the metho you crazy lunatic : you don't just give up because some cracked up idiot on the internet called cods says so!

           *** You are here for truly evil purposes aren't you buddy  ;) ;) ;) ;)






Get off the metho you crazy lunatic : you don't just give up because some cracked up idiot on the internet called cods says so!

           *** You are here for truly evil purposes aren't you buddy  ;) ;) ;) ;)

cods wrote on Jul 24^th, 2018 at 11:50am:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 11:19am: My parents just opted out.   We have too many friends who are doctors, and doctors can get quiet nosy.   I am still on the fence to opt out.  Not so much my medical information being shared, but my personal details like dob, address, medicare number etc.   These can be used to forge an identity.  very true... but we have no idea what info about us is out there anyway..... if people can hack your bank accoun t  then they also know your other details dont they?... ::) ::) its a fact of life today   your mobile has every movement you make on it...your visa card tells people what you eat for gods sakes...have a look at your trash account and see who has your email that you didnt give them.... ::) ::) we are crazy if we think we hide anything...

True, but still it would be one less thing to worry about.  :)

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 24^th, 2018 at 12:14pm:

cods wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 11:50am: tickleandrose wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 11:19am: My parents just opted out.   We have too many friends who are doctors, and doctors can get quiet nosy.   I am still on the fence to opt out.  Not so much my medical information being shared, but my personal details like dob, address, medicare number etc.   These can be used to forge an identity.  very true... but we have no idea what info about us is out there anyway..... if people can hack your bank accoun t  then they also know your other details dont they?... ::) ::) its a fact of life today   your mobile has every movement you make on it...your visa card tells people what you eat for gods sakes...have a look at your trash account and see who has your email that you didnt give them.... ::) ::) we are crazy if we think we hide anything... True, but still it would be one less thing to worry about.  :)

I dont worry about that    worry wont stop it..

and if anyone was interested in my medical records good luck with that... ;D ;D

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 24^th, 2018 at 11:54am:

the fuss is about the fact it isnt secure and just about anyone can access your personal information including your medical information. Spot

Correct - 900,000 people will have access to your personal records.

I'm with you on this cods...

My medical records are wrong anyway since they were transferred to where I live now...  incompatible computer systems stuffed them up. But nothing life endangering so far.
I suppose opting out would be safe in that case, and of course there are some medical issues people would only like their Drs to share.
I don't see why they don't just give protected access to medical personnel, surely no-one else would be interested anyway, or have a right to know.

But hey they can get access to the stuff T&R is worried about right now.  In fact people probably already have.

It of course would be handy if it was accurate and you were caught in an accident somewhere, where your history wasn't known.  But many things, like blood type etc can be easily tested for.

sound too iffy- I'm out

Agnes wrote on Jul 24^th, 2018 at 4:47pm:

sound too iffy- I'm out

But then again - you are supposed to be given
details of the name of any person who looked at your records.
That could be handy to know as you could sue them in court if they had no right to access it.
It could be a way to make a lot of money!

Bobby. wrote on Jul 24^th, 2018 at 4:49pm:

Agnes wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 4:47pm: sound too iffy- I'm out But then again - you are supposed to be given details of the name of any person who looked at your records. That could be handy to know as you could sue them in court if they had no right to access it. It could be a way to make a lot of money!

Yeah! Nah!


Im out and my immediate family is out also.
Screw the gov. I don't like mafias.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18^th, 2018 at 8:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:31am: Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:18pm: yes i will opt out for fear of all my records ending up in India somewhere. I will try to opt out. I wonder if you really can opt out? They dont make it easy. You should see the amount of ID tey want to opt you out. If you dont drive, havent been overseas, and arent an immigrant good luck with that! Spot

Spot - It was a piece of p1ss ... an inconvenience but I did mine & my wifes in about 5 minutes.

Tried for the opt out yesterday - went around in circles, then told me I already had an active account so it couldn't be canceled........ but I could ring the government agency to get it done if I wanted...

Who's prepared to bet that regardless of whether or not you opt out, you will still have an 'account' with this body, but you just won't know it.

Whistle blower... whistle blower..... where are you?

Gnads wrote on Jul 25^th, 2018 at 8:32am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 8:15am: Bobby. wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 7:31am: Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 17th, 2018 at 11:18pm: yes i will opt out for fear of all my records ending up in India somewhere. I will try to opt out. I wonder if you really can opt out? They dont make it easy. You should see the amount of ID tey want to opt you out. If you dont drive, havent been overseas, and arent an immigrant good luck with that! Spot Spot - It was a piece of p1ss ... an inconvenience but I did mine & my wifes in about 5 minutes.

Maybe a piece of piss for you but not for a lot of people.

Spot

https://www.couriermail.com.au/rendezview/as-a-doctor-heres-why-my-health-record-worries-me/news-story/0584c4b6ff55f2936fe4e84f3985bdb6

"Somewhere along the way, however, the police and other agencies including the ATO have decided that they must have warrantless access to this treasure trove of data."

That's enough reason for me to opt out.  Neither of these (or other) bodies have any valid reason to approach me - nor will they artificially generate such 'reasons'.

What use could the ATO and police have for access to health records -other than the desire to be an absolute power in the land?  The ATO's greatest failings are with companies not paying tax - not individuals, and I can just see Plod trying to work out if their suspect had measles at age five or something..... totally relevant to any investigation.....

For those who imagine we don't live in a totalitarian state - remember that dopey twat who raped an 83 year old woman in Narrabri (think it was)?  Cops went around fitting everyone up so they could be forced to give a DNA sample into a central bank... if that doesn't tell you the true import of any such things here, and the attitude of 'government' here to civil rights etc and the rights of people - then I can't help you.

Warrants are a joke, anyway - they just get their tame magistrate to rubber-stamp it for them... don't be persuaded by television that it's any different.

I'm out. I will wait a week or two for the initial rush to abate a bit.

I don't want the government giving unfettered access to my health data to anyone it chooses.

I don't believe there is a real Opt-out.
It will still be there for: emergency medical services, hospitals, police, Govt. security services, & many other Govt. spooks.

The info will never be deleted until 30 years after your death.

Big Brother
David Bowie LYRICS


Don't talk of dust and roses
Or should we powder our noses?
Don't live for last year's capers
Give me steel, give me steel, give me pulsars unreal
He'll build a glass asylum
With just a hint of mayhem
He'll build a better whirlpool
We'll be living from sin
Then we can really begin

[Bridge]
Please saviour, saviour, show us
Hear me, I'm graphically yours

[Chorus]
Someone to claim us, someone to follow
Someone to shame us, some brave Apollo
Someone to fool us, someone like you
We want you Big Brother, Big Brother

[Verse 2]
I know you think you're awful square
But you made everyone and you've been every where
Lord I think you’d overdose if you knew what’s going down

[Chorus]
Someone to claim us, someone to follow
Someone to shame us, some brave Apollo
Someone to fool us, someone like you


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRSA8tzMhqs

1984
David Bowie    LYRICS


[Verse 1]
Someday they won't let you
So now you must agree
The times they are a-telling
And the changing isn't free
You've read it in the tea leaves, and the tracks are on TV
Beware the savage jaw of 1984
They'll split your pretty cranium, and fill it full of air
And tell that you're eighty, but brother, you won't care
You'll be shooting up on anything, tomorrow's neverthere
Beware the savage jaw of 1984

[Chorus]
Come see, come see, remember me?
We played out an all night movie role
You said it would last, but I guess we enrolled
In 1984 (who could ask for more)
1984 (who could ask for mor-or-or-or-ore)
(Mor-or-or-or-ore)

[Verse 2]
I'm looking for a vehicle, I'm looking for a ride
I'm looking for a party, I'm looking for a side
I'm looking for the treason that I knew in '65
Beware the savage jaw of 1984


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU845qmA0fk

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2018 at 7:36pm:

I don't believe there is a real Opt-out. It will still be there for: emergency medical services, hospitals, police, Govt. security services, & many other Govt. spooks. The info will never be deleted until 30 years after your death.

Possibly but the issue is so it can't be used to deny insurance so the subterfuge will be expected to stick!

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 29^th, 2018 at 2:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2018 at 7:36pm: I don't believe there is a real Opt-out. It will still be there for: emergency medical services, hospitals, police, Govt. security services, & many other Govt. spooks. The info will never be deleted until 30 years after your death. Possibly but the issue is so it can't be used to deny insurance so the subterfuge will be expected to stick!

I duuno but I guess we enrolled for it?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 29^th, 2018 at 2:21pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 29th, 2018 at 2:09pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2018 at 7:36pm: I don't believe there is a real Opt-out. It will still be there for: emergency medical services, hospitals, police, Govt. security services, & many other Govt. spooks. The info will never be deleted until 30 years after your death. Possibly but the issue is so it can't be used to deny insurance so the subterfuge will be expected to stick! I duuno but I guess we enrolled for it?

Enrolled for it?

What, by being born??

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 29^th, 2018 at 2:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 29th, 2018 at 2:21pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 29th, 2018 at 2:09pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2018 at 7:36pm: I don't believe there is a real Opt-out. It will still be there for: emergency medical services, hospitals, police, Govt. security services, & many other Govt. spooks. The info will never be deleted until 30 years after your death. Possibly but the issue is so it can't be used to deny insurance so the subterfuge will be expected to stick! I duuno but I guess we enrolled for it? Enrolled for it? What, by being born??

That was a joke.
No one asked for it - Big Brother told us we needed it.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 29^th, 2018 at 3:02pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 29th, 2018 at 2:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 29th, 2018 at 2:21pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 29th, 2018 at 2:09pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 26th, 2018 at 7:36pm: I don't believe there is a real Opt-out. It will still be there for: emergency medical services, hospitals, police, Govt. security services, & many other Govt. spooks. The info will never be deleted until 30 years after your death. Possibly but the issue is so it can't be used to deny insurance so the subterfuge will be expected to stick! Gotcha! I duuno but I guess we enrolled for it? Enrolled for it? What, by being born?? That was a joke. No one asked for it - Big Brother told us we needed it.

Well i have unsuccessfully tried to opt out several times. They say their systems are down.

Spot

Finally got out. they asked me why i wanted to opt out and i said because i dont want to be in it. they accepted that.

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 8^th, 2018 at 4:03pm:

Finally got out. they asked me why i wanted to opt out and i said because i dont want to be in it. they accepted that. Spot

Big Brother knows what's best for you.