Retailers demand zero pay rise for Australia's lowest paid workers   :(

Sydney Morning Herald
13 March 2018

   

One of Australia's top retail industry groups wants the country's lowest-paid workers to be denied any pay rise this year.   >:(   

In an extraordinary submission to the workplace umpire, the National Retail Association - one of the nation's major retail industry organisations - has called for a 0 per cent increase to the minimum wage on July 1.   :( 

While most industry groups have recommended an increase at or near the current inflation rate of 1.9 per cent - which would translate into a modest $13-a-week increase - the Retail Association has called on the Fair Work Commission to give "full and genuine consideration" to withholding an increase altogether.


The national minimum wage affects the pay rates of up to 2.3 million Australians, many of them working in retail.

"Retail is currently undergoing a challenging period throughout the country," the group's submission says.


"Recent data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show that the sector suffered a 0.5 per cent fall during the traditionally busy month of December and the figures for January 2018 again highlighted poor sales growth.



The Australian Council of Trade Unions has launched a campaign to increase minimum wage.

"During environments such as these, it is vital that retail businesses do not have conditions imposed on them that make it more difficult to operate."

The Retail Association says it is "highly likely" that a recent decision to grant an overtime entitlement to casual employees had resulted in "inefficiencies in the allocation of labour" that had led to a "hidden increase in the average wage".

The organisation did note however that "a very small minority of National Retail Association members have expressed the view that an increase in wages will positively affect productivity".

The union movement - which has called for a 7.2 per cent increase of $50 a week - called the Retail Association's submission "completely out of touch".


“Retail workers are already struggling with historically low wage growth, cuts to their penalty rates and insecure work. They urgently need a pay rise, not a pay cut," said Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees Association national secretary Gerard Dwyer. “If Australian retailers want to improve business, they should be calling for wages increases, not cuts.”

Labor's Brendan O'Connor said the association's position was "appalling". 

"This sector should understand better than any that falling wages affects consumption which will hurt the economy and hurt job prospects. It is a short sighted and callous submission that should find no support from any quarter including the Turnbull government,” he said.   :(

Another peak group for the $310 billion retail industry, the Australian Retailers Association, recommended a 1.9 per cent increase - a $13.20 per week rise that would take the national minimum wage to $708.10.

It says such an increase would be "realistic and reasonable", taking into account the slowly-improving economy, current and imminent wage bill increases for industries undergoing structural adjustment, and underemployment. The commission's recent wage decisions had been "generous", it said.

"We ask the panel to consider high national minimum wage increases over recent years as
compensation that the economy, employment levels and businesses can no longer afford."

The commission last year awarded a 3.3 per cent increase of $22. The ACTU had asked for a $45-a-week increase, while business groups had asked for between $8 and $10. The Retail Association asked for a 1.2 per cent increase for 2016/17.

The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry has also recommended an increase "not exceeding 1.9 per cent" this year.

"This is higher than the increase we recommended last year, acknowledging that key
economic indicators, when national aggregate data is considered, suggest signs of
improvement in the economy and labour market relative to last year," the organisation said in its submission.

"However we are also cognisant that these improvements in the economy and labour market are not consistent across all regions, states, territories and industries."

The ACTU's record claim - which would increase the full-time minimum wage to $744.90 a week - drew the ire of Australian Industry Group chief executive Innes Willox, who said it had been "plucked out of the air".


"The claim is nearly four times the current rate of inflation. If accepted by the Fair Work Commission, the claim would destroy jobs and harm low-paid workers," he said.

About 200,000 Australians are paid the minimum wage directly but it affects pay rates for a further 2 million award-reliant workers. The Fair Work Commission will deliver its decision by June.

   

Makes sense especially in clothing online purchases went up 38% last year while off line went backwards. Adding extra cost to the offline will mean less jobs.

But again this is non event in the overall economy.

You have to ask, besides not having to leave home, why people are shopping online?

I believe it's because our retailers are marking up the same cheap charlie chinese/Indian/Bangladeshi clothing by 3 & 4 hundred percent or more.

Our electrical retailers are worse.

The labour costs should be low if their business model is a good one.

None of them ever want to give staff a pay rise .... it only ever comes about when it is mandated by the Fair Work Commission.

And on the rare occasions that does happen they are always kicking & screaming howling doom & gloom.

Some of our lowest paid haven't had a pay rise in over 7 years.

And they are expected to cop all the increases in retail prices that are put upon them to live & eat as retail consumers.

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 7:04am:

Makes sense especially in clothing online purchases went up 38% last year while off line went backwards. Adding extra cost to the offline will mean less jobs. But again this is non event in the overall economy.

' ............  clothing online purchases went up 38% last year while off line went backwards. .......... '

interesting.

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 7:51am:

You have to ask, besides not having to leave home, why people are shopping online? I believe it's because our retailers are marking up the same cheap charlie chinese/Indian/Bangladeshi clothing by 3 & 4 hundred percent or more. Our electrical retailers are worse. The labour costs should be low if their business model is a good one. None of them ever want to give staff a pay rise .... it only ever comes about when it is mandated by the Fair Work Commission. And on the rare occasions that does happen they are always kicking & screaming howling doom & gloom. Some of our lowest paid haven't had a pay rise in over 7 years. And they are expected to cop all the increases in retail prices that are put upon them to live & eat as retail consumers.

Retailing is for many the traditional first job only a minority would stay at the lowest level or in the industry at all. Unfortunately for the low skill less motivate people this is an industry under stress the biggest competition is online. Its such a small part of the employment market that draws way too much media attention.

For me its not so much the savings its the time, for me shopping is not therapy.
Often when you go to a store they don't have the item in stock.
Online is Superior in most was except instant gratification.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 8:26am:

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 7:04am: Makes sense especially in clothing online purchases went up 38% last year while off line went backwards. Adding extra cost to the offline will mean less jobs. But again this is non event in the overall economy. ' ............  clothing online purchases went up 38% last year while off line went backwards. .......... ' interesting.

Its innovation there is an explosion of both home based and businesses without store fronts. Down the road from me they have a large number of wholesale businesses, they often open up to the public, prefer to shop there better prices and often better service then you get from a big brand store hiring people on minimum wages.

If you are looking for a career in selling working for one of these would probable have better long term prospects. I do it as a hobby. I know a guy who has 800k worth of abandoned fashion stock from a previous tenant..... I have offered to take away a few pallets for a reasonable amount and sell them on ebay.

Small part of the employment market?

Retail makes up 11% of the market.

Health Care and Social Services is the only group with a higher percentage (around 13%).

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 8:45am:

Small part of the employment market? Retail makes up 11% of the market. Health Care and Social Services is the only group with a higher percentage (around 13%).

No people on minimum wages you are thick
You Elitist Cock Captain

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 8:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 8:45am: Small part of the employment market? Retail makes up 11% of the market. Health Care and Social Services is the only group with a higher percentage (around 13%). No people on minimum wages you are thick You Elitist Cock Captain

That's not what you said, though.

You specifically singled out retail employees.

Try harder in the future, please.

But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us.

Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills.

No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left.

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 9:52am:

But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us. Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills. No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left.

Its not the "labor/green" dream its the government dream. All the parties seem to want to make the poor poorer and the rich richer.

Spot

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 9:19am:

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 8:50am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 8:45am: Small part of the employment market? Retail makes up 11% of the market. Health Care and Social Services is the only group with a higher percentage (around 13%). No people on minimum wages you are thick You Elitist Cock Captain That's not what you said, though. You specifically singled out retail employees. Try harder in the future, please.

The thread is about people on minimum wages I know context is hard for you
You Pompous Cock Goblin

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 10:08am:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am: But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us. Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills. No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left. Its not the "labor/green" dream its the government dream. All the parties seem to want to make the poor poorer and the rich richer. Spot

No this is about industry sustainability the quicker way to make them poorer would be to double the minimum wage so half of them would have to go on the dole.

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 9:52am:

But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us. Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills. No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left.

They are dull jobs for unqualified people, many doing them are also attending uni or other ...... there would be a smaller % which it would be a job for life.

Either way arbitrarily raising the minimum wage just ads costs and may impact employment growth. It has to be done in a sustainable way !

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 10:08am:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am: But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us. Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills. No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left. Its not the "labor/green" dream its the government dream. All the parties seem to want to make the poor poorer and the rich richer. Spot

I think you'll find it is the labor / green coalition that demands sh1t tourism jobs be prioritised over proper jobs. They will actively destroy good mining jobs to make sure that these sh1t tourism jobs are maintained.

No-one wants these types of povo jobs, but soon that is all there will be left for us.

whiteknight wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 5:48am:

Retailers demand zero pay rise for Australia's lowest paid workers   :( Sydney Morning Herald 13 March 2018     One of Australia's top retail industry groups wants the country's lowest-paid workers to be denied any pay rise this year.   >:(    In an extraordinary submission to the workplace umpire, the National Retail Association - one of the nation's major retail industry organisations - has called for a 0 per cent increase to the minimum wage on July 1.   :(

The minimum wage is already over $18 per hour, how much is unskilled labor really worth?

If you want to earn more than minimum wage get some decent qualifications.

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 11:26am:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am: But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us. Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills. No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left. They are dull jobs for unqualified people, many doing them are also attending uni or other ...... there would be a smaller % which it would be a job for life. Either way arbitrarily raising the minimum wage just ads costs and may impact employment growth. It has to be done in a sustainable way !

Well shorten and puddle duck are working hard to destroy our mining and construction jobs, so no matter what qualifications you have, you'll be cleaning toilets and washing dishes as that is about all we will have thanks to their belief in low paying tourism jobs.  >:( >:( >:(

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 12:10pm:

whiteknight wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 5:48am: Retailers demand zero pay rise for Australia's lowest paid workers   :( Sydney Morning Herald 13 March 2018     One of Australia's top retail industry groups wants the country's lowest-paid workers to be denied any pay rise this year.   >:(    In an extraordinary submission to the workplace umpire, the National Retail Association - one of the nation's major retail industry organisations - has called for a 0 per cent increase to the minimum wage on July 1.   :(    The minimum wage is already over $18 per hour, how much is unskilled labor really worth? If you want to earn more than minimum wage get some decent qualifications.

I know a lot of very successful people (me included) who worked minimum wage jobs.
One of close friends her first job was at Lowes reordering close based on size once the customers have been through ! She is now a senior manager at KPMG.

There are a % that struggle with working and may have a career based on a minimum wage job but that is a minority in a minority.

I would like to see if there are any studies on such jobs like how long people stay in them in different industries, in retail they seem to prefer younger faces or maybe people do them for a while then get bored and get a real job :-)

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 12:59pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 11:26am: BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am: But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us. Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills. No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left. They are dull jobs for unqualified people, many doing them are also attending uni or other ...... there would be a smaller % which it would be a job for life. Either way arbitrarily raising the minimum wage just ads costs and may impact employment growth. It has to be done in a sustainable way ! Well shorten and puddle duck are working hard to destroy our mining and construction jobs, so no matter what qualifications you have, you'll be cleaning toilets and washing dishes as that is about all we will have thanks to their belief in low paying tourism jobs.  >:( >:( >:(

A lot of cleaners are self employed contractors, I know one guy does body corporate cleaning makes $200-$400 per complex cleaning common areas. does about 10-20 per week, drives a brand new SS Commodore. Our house cleaners are the same, 2 of them show up for about 1.5 hrs and they make $130 that is $43 / hr. They do the cleaning for a lot of our friends. I forgot to leave the money out once so I drove to their house to drop it off.  5 Bedroom house with a swimming pool ..... the whole family is involved in the business.

Ah yes, the old industrial standover is it?  Take it or leave it, peasant....

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 7:51am:

You have to ask, besides not having to leave home, why people are shopping online? I believe it's because our retailers are marking up the same cheap charlie chinese/Indian/Bangladeshi clothing by 3 & 4 hundred percent or more. Our electrical retailers are worse. The labour costs should be low if their business model is a good one. None of them ever want to give staff a pay rise .... it only ever comes about when it is mandated by the Fair Work Commission. And on the rare occasions that does happen they are always kicking & screaming howling doom & gloom. Some of our lowest paid haven't had a pay rise in over 7 years. And they are expected to cop all the increases in retail prices that are put upon them to live & eat as retail consumers.

I can buy a double outlet plug for $25 off line or I can get a pack of ten for $34 online.

What would you ask me to do?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 10:08am:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am: But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us. Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills. No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left. Its not the "labor/green" dream its the government dream. All the parties seem to want to make the poor poorer and the rich richer. Spot

I agree with that statement.

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 11:26am:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am: But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us. Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills. No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left. They are dull jobs for unqualified people, many doing them are also attending uni or other ...... there would be a smaller % which it would be a job for life. Either way arbitrarily raising the minimum wage just ads costs and may impact employment growth. It has to be done in a sustainable way !

You cannot expect the minimum wage to stay stagnant for years & years & still expect those people to pay for the ever increasing prices on all retail consumables, electricity, rent, rates, rego, public transport, etc. etc.

It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest reasonable wage growth against increased costs is only a concern to retail business.

To say - like they do - that every time there's an increase in the minimum wage it's going to impact employment growth or cost jobs is just scaremongering. 

Trickle down economics has been an abject failure & has not created more employment one iota.

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 12:02pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 10:08am: BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am: But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us. Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills. No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left. Its not the "labor/green" dream its the government dream. All the parties seem to want to make the poor poorer and the rich richer. Spot I think you'll find it is the labor / green coalition that demands sh1t tourism jobs be prioritised over proper jobs. They will actively destroy good mining jobs to make sure that these sh1t tourism jobs are maintained. No-one wants these types of povo jobs, but soon that is all there will be left for us.

If you think mining jobs supported by taxpayers money(Adani) just so someone has a mining job, you have rocks in your head.

And stability/security of employment in the mining industry is a non event today.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 12:10pm:

whiteknight wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 5:48am: Retailers demand zero pay rise for Australia's lowest paid workers   :( Sydney Morning Herald 13 March 2018     One of Australia's top retail industry groups wants the country's lowest-paid workers to be denied any pay rise this year.   >:(    In an extraordinary submission to the workplace umpire, the National Retail Association - one of the nation's major retail industry organisations - has called for a 0 per cent increase to the minimum wage on July 1.   :(    The minimum wage is already over $18 per hour, how much is unskilled labor really worth? If you want to earn more than minimum wage get some decent qualifications.

How much is yours worth?

You're another Joe Hockey ... what an elitist arrogant arsehole he is..... where do you fit in there?

I bet there are thousands of TA's, labourers & low paid workers across this country that work harder than you ever have.

You ought be ashamed of making that comment.

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 12:59pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 11:26am: BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am: But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us. Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills. No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left. They are dull jobs for unqualified people, many doing them are also attending uni or other ...... there would be a smaller % which it would be a job for life. Either way arbitrarily raising the minimum wage just ads costs and may impact employment growth. It has to be done in a sustainable way ! Well shorten and puddle duck are working hard to destroy our mining and construction jobs, so no matter what qualifications you have, you'll be cleaning toilets and washing dishes as that is about all we will have thanks to their belief in low paying tourism jobs.  >:( >:( >:(

No more than the LNP have ... with their firesale sell offs to foreign nationals.

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 7:03pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:59pm: RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 11:26am: BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am: But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us. Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills. No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left. They are dull jobs for unqualified people, many doing them are also attending uni or other ...... there would be a smaller % which it would be a job for life. Either way arbitrarily raising the minimum wage just ads costs and may impact employment growth. It has to be done in a sustainable way ! Well shorten and puddle duck are working hard to destroy our mining and construction jobs, so no matter what qualifications you have, you'll be cleaning toilets and washing dishes as that is about all we will have thanks to their belief in low paying tourism jobs.  >:( >:( >:( No more than the LNP have ... with their firesale sell offs to foreign nationals.

I see so how many operating coal power plants have they shut down ?
So what has the coalition sold off to foreign nationals ?
Sounds like you think like a communist to make such a daft statement :-)

Pull your head out

How about Victorias & Sth Aust electricity grid?

How about some of the biggest cattle stations in the country.

How about most of our natural resources.

You don't have to look too hard to see who owns what.

And we own SFA.

Meanwhile people with degrees are slinging burgers at Macfries and Hungry Jills....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 10:06pm:

Meanwhile people with degrees are slinging burgers at Macfries and Hungry Jills....

On minimum wage

Spot

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 10:06pm:

Meanwhile people with degrees are slinging burgers at Macfries and Hungry Jills....

Maybe certain degrees and for how long ?

This is the thing I seem to be the only one pointing out minimum wage jobs are very transient for most. Why would you hang around in a minimum pay job unless you have capability issues which would be the minority.

In some areas minimum wage might be a living wage in most I assume it would not will never be ..... with or without the $50 the dodgy unions are asking for.
Its called minimum wage for a reason :-)

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 15^th, 2018 at 6:02am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 10:06pm: Meanwhile people with degrees are slinging burgers at Macfries and Hungry Jills.... Maybe certain degrees and for how long ? This is the thing I seem to be the only one pointing out minimum wage jobs are very transient for most. Why would you hang around in a minimum pay job unless you have capability issues which would be the minority. In some areas minimum wage might be a living wage in most I assume it would not will never be ..... with or without the $50 the dodgy unions are asking for. Its called minimum wage for a reason :-)

In a lot of the tourist places like cairns, whitsundays, and the GC, that is pretty much all there is, crappy tourism jobs.

When your state government is destroy regional jobs and their greenie master are talking up low paying tourism jobs, it really narrows your options in life.

While I live in regional QLD, I haven't worked there for nearly 5 years and not by choice either. We have a massively incompetent state government who focuses solely on providing public service jobs in brisbane and incapable of anything else.

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2018 at 7:03pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:59pm: RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 11:26am: BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am: But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us. Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills. No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left. They are dull jobs for unqualified people, many doing them are also attending uni or other ...... there would be a smaller % which it would be a job for life. Either way arbitrarily raising the minimum wage just ads costs and may impact employment growth. It has to be done in a sustainable way ! Well shorten and puddle duck are working hard to destroy our mining and construction jobs, so no matter what qualifications you have, you'll be cleaning toilets and washing dishes as that is about all we will have thanks to their belief in low paying tourism jobs.  >:( >:( >:( No more than the LNP have ... with their firesale sell offs to foreign nationals.

Most of QLD assets were sold off by Disaster Anna 1 and that fkkwit Beattie. And they were kind enough to sell almost everything as well as leave a massive debt.

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2018 at 8:04am:

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 6:02am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 10:06pm: Meanwhile people with degrees are slinging burgers at Macfries and Hungry Jills.... Maybe certain degrees and for how long ? This is the thing I seem to be the only one pointing out minimum wage jobs are very transient for most. Why would you hang around in a minimum pay job unless you have capability issues which would be the minority. In some areas minimum wage might be a living wage in most I assume it would not will never be ..... with or without the $50 the dodgy unions are asking for. Its called minimum wage for a reason :-) In a lot of the tourist places like cairns, whitsundays, and the GC, that is pretty much all there is, crappy tourism jobs. When your state government is destroy regional jobs and their greenie master are talking up low paying tourism jobs, it really narrows your options in life. While I live in regional QLD, I haven't worked there for nearly 5 years and not by choice either. We have a massively incompetent state government who focuses solely on providing public service jobs in brisbane and incapable of anything else.

Sure there are many low paid jobs in tourism but there are high paid jobs, was up at Hartley's croc farm a few weeks back they seem to have smallish crocs there but the guys handling them would not be minimum wages, the lady at the main counter might be.

Yes your right if BS Shorten and the Arrogant greenies are going to appose Adani regardless of merit then sure the signs are not good for the future if this grub becomes PM !

Why should a government or opposition oppose a development on financial grounds ?
BS Shorten has been caught in a big loop of hypocrisy on this, sure the banks are not too keen on this project and the bad press the ALP is now whipping up really does not help ! Funny BS Shorten loved the project a while ago.

I prefer governments don't stick their nose in, if it makes sense investors / lenders will go in...... if not they won't ....... other than subsidies the government or opposition should not comment. Even if they offer subsidies they are usually contingent on the project progressing !

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2018 at 8:08am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 7:03pm: BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:59pm: RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 11:26am: BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am: But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us. Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills. No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left. They are dull jobs for unqualified people, many doing them are also attending uni or other ...... there would be a smaller % which it would be a job for life. Either way arbitrarily raising the minimum wage just ads costs and may impact employment growth. It has to be done in a sustainable way ! Well shorten and puddle duck are working hard to destroy our mining and construction jobs, so no matter what qualifications you have, you'll be cleaning toilets and washing dishes as that is about all we will have thanks to their belief in low paying tourism jobs.  >:( >:( >:( No more than the LNP have ... with their firesale sell offs to foreign nationals. Most of QLD assets were sold off by Disaster Anna 1 and that fkkwit Beattie. And they were kind enough to sell almost everything as well as leave a massive debt.

Beattie in his new gig is really keen on the Cronulla Hawks :-)
Loves those St George Muffin Biters or those Manly Turtles :-)
The guy has not changed he is still clueless.

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2018 at 8:08am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 7:03pm: BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:59pm: RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 11:26am: BigOl64 wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 9:52am: But isn't this the labor/green dream, no mining, no construction, no manufacturing, tourism, retail and entry level services positions all on minimum wage is what they want for all of us. Every time those socialist clowns harp on about the 65 000 tourism jobs support by the GBR, that is 65 000 people on minimum wage barely able to pay their bills. No-one wants to to do these sh1t jobs, mainly because poverty in never an aspirational goal for anyone, so you can thank one bill shorten for doing his best to make these the only jobs left. They are dull jobs for unqualified people, many doing them are also attending uni or other ...... there would be a smaller % which it would be a job for life. Either way arbitrarily raising the minimum wage just ads costs and may impact employment growth. It has to be done in a sustainable way ! Well shorten and puddle duck are working hard to destroy our mining and construction jobs, so no matter what qualifications you have, you'll be cleaning toilets and washing dishes as that is about all we will have thanks to their belief in low paying tourism jobs.  >:( >:( >:( No more than the LNP have ... with their firesale sell offs to foreign nationals. Most of QLD assets were sold off by Disaster Anna 1 and that fkkwit Beattie. And they were kind enough to sell almost everything as well as leave a massive debt.

And what did that get her?

And what did it get Cando Campbell Soup who wanted to sell off more?

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2018 at 8:04am:

RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 6:02am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 10:06pm: Meanwhile people with degrees are slinging burgers at Macfries and Hungry Jills.... Maybe certain degrees and for how long ? This is the thing I seem to be the only one pointing out minimum wage jobs are very transient for most. Why would you hang around in a minimum pay job unless you have capability issues which would be the minority. In some areas minimum wage might be a living wage in most I assume it would not will never be ..... with or without the $50 the dodgy unions are asking for. Its called minimum wage for a reason :-) In a lot of the tourist places like cairns, whitsundays, and the GC, that is pretty much all there is, crappy tourism jobs. When your state government is destroy regional jobs and their greenie master are talking up low paying tourism jobs, it really narrows your options in life. While I live in regional QLD, I haven't worked there for nearly 5 years and not by choice either. We have a massively incompetent state government who focuses solely on providing public service jobs in brisbane and incapable of anything else.

The LNP didn't regionalise anything either ... in fact they cut more services to regional QLDers.

Slash & burn ... L oot N P illage.

Gnads wrote on Mar 15^th, 2018 at 2:28pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 8:04am: RightSaidFred wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 6:02am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 10:06pm: Meanwhile people with degrees are slinging burgers at Macfries and Hungry Jills.... Maybe certain degrees and for how long ? This is the thing I seem to be the only one pointing out minimum wage jobs are very transient for most. Why would you hang around in a minimum pay job unless you have capability issues which would be the minority. In some areas minimum wage might be a living wage in most I assume it would not will never be ..... with or without the $50 the dodgy unions are asking for. Its called minimum wage for a reason :-) In a lot of the tourist places like cairns, whitsundays, and the GC, that is pretty much all there is, crappy tourism jobs. When your state government is destroy regional jobs and their greenie master are talking up low paying tourism jobs, it really narrows your options in life. While I live in regional QLD, I haven't worked there for nearly 5 years and not by choice either. We have a massively incompetent state government who focuses solely on providing public service jobs in brisbane and incapable of anything else. The LNP didn't regionalise anything either ... in fact they cut more services to regional QLDers. Slash & burn ... L oot N P illage.

Yes it is difficult to spend up big when the previous party has sold everything spent all that money as well as racked up a massive debt.

There is still no option but to slash and burn to pay off that massive labor debt, something puddle is ignoring and hoping will magically go away.


Here a outrageous idea for all socialists to consider, stop spending other people's money beyond your means.