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Title: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Unforgiven on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:20pm
According to Aquascoot. Furthermore, Aquascoot contends all that is needed is to stand on one's own two feet to become an efficient farmer.
There are many who would beg to differ. Even Singapore is twice as productive in agriculture as Australia. The Netherlands is number two world exporter of food second to USA. Slovenia is number one. Australia is number 14 with about twenty percent of the productivity of Slovenia. Slovenians must have five pairs of feet. Australia should send back and demand a refund on its closet poms so it can bring Slovenians in. http://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/Agriculture_productivity/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/09/holland-agriculture-sustainable-farming/ Quote:
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Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Gordon on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:24pm
Does this take our variable and often drought prone climate into account?
Didn't you say you're moving to Slovenia, Un4? |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Unforgiven on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:19pm Gordon wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
I didn't want to bring Gordon's sex life into the discussion. |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Gordon on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:55pm Unforgiven wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:19pm:
So you start a thread and make stupid replies What exactly is the point of your being here? |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:59pm
See what the British have done for us? No more burn 'er out and pick up the charred corpses.... 'caretaking' the land....
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Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:02pm Gordon wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
Singapore - the average backyard over there or flower pot in a tenement gives proportionately a far greater yield than vast swathes of Australian countryside..... It's like discussing our 'carbon footprint' per capita and leaving out the realities of mass carbon footprints..... of course a fine politician like Julia doesn't have a carbon footprint.... she gets it all for free.... |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Gnads on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:02pm
Where is the majority of Singapores agriculture carried out?
I bet just like the Chinese do, they buy agricultural lands & grow crops & animals in foreign countries yet consider that locally grown for their GDP figures. Singapore is 177,000 acres (the size of an average grazing property in Aust) much of which is waterways & under heavy residential, business & industrial infrastructure. A mere 3,620 acres are for farming. Sweet F A compared to Australia. The total area of one average Aussie farm. |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Unforgiven on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:28pm Gnads wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:02pm:
Nice try at deflecting and diverting to distract attention away from your low productivity. Stop blathering and get back out to the work face. |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by lee on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:41pm Unforgiven wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 4:20pm:
The heading? "Agriculture value added per worker, constant USD, 2016" Now that means either Australia's workers are really slack or something else. How does one worker in Singapore add over USD100k in value to agriculture? "Value added in agriculture measures the output of the agricultural sector (ISIC divisions 1-5) less the value of intermediate inputs." 1 packet of seeds in, 100,000 bok choy out? |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Gnads on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:49pm Unforgiven wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:28pm:
The only thing low here is yourself. Lower than snakes balls. |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:38pm
Q. Why don't snakes have balls?
A. They can't dance! |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by freediver on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:41pm
The Netherlands heavily subsidises agriculture. I can safely say this without knowing anything about it or bothering to check facts.
Not sure why that counts as a measure of efficiency. |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:44pm
I would wonder how those Slovenians and American farmers would go on Australian soils with a marginal percentage of fertility that makes it a miracle to ponder we can grow anything upon.
We are in the initial stages of making a reversal in failing soil fertility through some innovations. Salt tolerant plants and plants that desalinate the soils are being planted in areas that are suitable or have been suitable for farming. This could be a twenty-year process, as some farmers have undone years of damage through the planting of this vegetation. If farmers can plant crops in Australia and get good yields, I am sure that Australian farmers could match and outdo farmers of other countries on an even playing field. Farmers who do the hard yard in Australia, leave me feeling proud of their achievements. |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:46pm Gordon wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 5:55pm:
He is a narcissist with an inferiority complex. He needs to make other people feel worse about situations so that Unforgiven can feel better about himself. |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Unforgiven on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:51pm
This thread was started in response to a thread in another string where Aquascoot claimed Australian farmers were most efficient in the world.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1518378645/9#9 |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by lee on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:55pm Unforgiven wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:51pm:
And your post does nothing to detract from the claim. |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Unforgiven on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:15pm lee wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Denizen lee evidently has a comprehension problem. Chart is available here: http://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/Agriculture_productivity/ |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by lee on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:27pm Unforgiven wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:15pm:
Nope. Unforgiven wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:15pm:
Yes. It only looks at one metric. So they are comparing Australia's broadacre farming to greenhouse farming. How bizarre. Have a look at Australia's broadacre zones - https://www.oecd.org/tad/events/Mr.%20Merrilees_Agricultural%20productivity%20growth%20reforms%20opportunities.pdf Page 7 or page 11 of your pdf viewer. Your post is akin to comparing apples to horse manure. And you seem to know a lot about horse manure. |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Bias_2012 on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:37pm
Aquascoot said ....
australian farmers are the most efficient in the world because they stand on their own 2 feet. no government subsidies. Freediver was right |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Unforgiven on Feb 12th, 2018 at 11:49pm lee wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:27pm:
Its the only metric that counts. GDP per worker. Its a measure of productive efficiency. Denizen lee evidently thinks the use of greenhouses by other countries is unfair competition to Australian farmers. What about countries like Canada where the ground is covered in ice and snow for 50% of the year? Canada has a ~60% higher agricultural productivity than Australia. There is nothing to stop Australian farmers using greenhouses if they so choose. Some already do. However, adaption to new technology in Australian agriculture is slow because Australian farmers are being told by people like Aquascoot that they're the best in the world. http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2017-07-13/farmers-turn-to-greenhouses-meet-growing-demand/8702386 |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Sprintcyclist on Feb 12th, 2018 at 11:54pm UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:44pm:
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yes, that'ld be great. Farmers are the best business people I know. I salute them. |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Unforgiven on Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:03am
Greenhouse technology is emerging in Australia by the import of equipment and technology from other countries like Canada.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2017-01-18/greenhouses-the-solution-for-vegetable-crops-in-wheatbelt/8190554 Quote:
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Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by lee on Feb 13th, 2018 at 9:42am Unforgiven wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:03am:
Half a hectare? Wow. ;) |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:00pm
They will be once the Chinese take over and organise the lazy bastards for real and imbue them with a work ethic worthy of the name... 8-)
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Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:10pm
I honestly think it would be incredibly difficult to judge farming efficiency.
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Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:23pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 11:54pm:
I give up. Was that sarcasm? |
Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by freediver on Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:30pm
So basically Unforgiven started a new thread to explain that he disagreed with this statement, but is unable to explain why, other than that he found a website that does not explain it either.
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Title: Re: Australians are the world's most efficient farmers Post by crocodile on Feb 14th, 2018 at 12:22pm Unforgiven wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 11:49pm:
Start again Unforgiven. The author of your linked article does not understand productivity and neither do you. Productivity is a measure of production per unit of labour and capital, not dollar value per unit of labour and capital. If one unit of labour can improve production of one widget to two widgets then productivity doubles. The price of widgets between Australia and some other far off place is not relevant to productivity. Just because a widget in the Netherlands may be double the the price of a widget here does not double productivity. |
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