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Title: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:15am Quote:
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:21am Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:15am:
"hidden speed cameras are ‘revenue raisers’ " Good. The Police and State Governemnt should have plenty of revenue. If you don't want to contribute - don't speed. It couldn't be simpler, or fairer. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:22am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Don't want to get busted DUI? Don't drink and drive. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:23am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:22am:
Exactly. Where's the problem? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:25am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Actually speed cameras are not fair as are frequently set up in places at the bottom of a hill where unless you're staring at the speedo it's very easy to creep a few KMs enough over to get a ticket. What's a lot fairer is point to point speed detectors. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:29am Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:25am:
No excuse. You should be aware of your speed at all times. If that's too difficult, hand in your licence - you don't belong on the road. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:29am Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:25am:
I can buy that, and police should be saying ok if you're say 5 km/h over and can argue the circumstance thats fine, but the Victorian 1 kph over is a bit much. What is the bigger problem is inappropriate speed for the road. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:32am Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:25am:
In Massachusetts they took this to court and had speed cameras abolished, they argued having more highway patrol cars on the roads was far more effective. It's funny how people slow down when they see a cop car. The police union admits speed cameras do nothing to save lives, is the government telling us lies when they claim they're for road safety? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:33am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:29am:
In the real world safe drivers nudge over the speed limit from time to time and the world doesn't come to an end. All driving experts agree that creeping over the speed limit momentarily is harmless. It's only the police and Govt who relentlessly persecute it. Point to point speed cameras on a highway catch the really dangerous drivers. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:33am Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:15am:
I often drive past the biggest revenue raiser in NSW possible the country. The camera just before Spit Bridge. Since they introduced the camera accidents have gone up due to people panic breaking when they see the camera. On the counter side the one in the harbour tunnel is heavily advertised but averages 32 or so infringements per day ! Mixed views on it personally its a bit hypocritical speeding and complaining about being caught ! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:34am RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:33am:
Why panic brake if you werent speeding in the first place? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:38am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:34am:
The Spit bridge camera is at the bottom on a very steep hill. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:39am Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:38am:
Do the vehicles there not have breaks, or gearboxes? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:40am Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:32am:
I did heaps of driving on the last holidays and very few cars were speeding, but lots of people were driving like cnts. So many people sitting 2m behind another car at freeway speeds, changing lanes aggressively etc etc. That is what gets people killed, not creeping to 110 at the bottom of a hill on a 3 lane Hwy. I reckon dashcams should be installed in 1000s of cars of people who are 'deputised' as dashcam operators. Whenever they witness a dickhead on the road, they head for their nearest copshop and the dashcam footage is used to ping them. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:41am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:23am:
The main issue is they claim they improve road safety which is hit and miss .... as soon as people are out of sight of the fixed camera they again speed up. I think all fixed cameras should be removed all should be mobile. The practical problems with speed cameras is often there are black spots which are not suitable for camera / radar usage due to many reasons. Large metal signs and other structures can create false readings. My preference is for more patrol cares picking up other issues that I see regularly the big one is right hand lane hogging ..... another one is roundabouts about 30% of drivers seem clueless about them ! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:42am RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:41am:
You might not like Perth. About 95% of drivers are clueless when it comes to roundabouts. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:48am RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:33am:
Wasn't the one on the Spit Bridge turned off for some time? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:48am
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I did heaps of driving on the last holidays and very few cars were speeding, but lots of people were driving like cnts. So many people sitting 2m behind another car at freeway speeds, changing lanes aggressively etc etc. That is what gets people killed, not creeping to 110 at the bottom of a hill on a 3 lane Hwy. I reckon dashcams should be installed in 1000s of cars of people who are 'deputised' as dashcam operators. Whenever they witness a dickhead on the road, they head for their nearest copshop and the dashcam footage is used to ping them. I was doing a short term gig down at Australia's most boring place Canberra. I drove down Monday morning then back on Friday arvo. I saw a lot of weird dangerous driving that has no upside..... one odd one is cars speed up behind a slow vehicle like a big truck get as close as possible then over take as late as possible. The cops seen happy with you being 5-10kph over I regularly passed stationary highway patrol cars with the cruise control locked in at 120 .... that should be about 2-5kph over in real speed. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:49am Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:40am:
There are a lot of idiots on the road. There was a study that showed speed cameras distract drivers by making them focus on their speedo too much instead of looking at what is going on around them, i will try to find it later. I find cruise control helps on roads with heaps of cameras, don't have to constantly check speed allowing me to see what is going on around me. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by miketrees on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:50am
Mixed views on it personally its a bit hypocritical speeding and complaining about being caught !
I think there is a difference between intentionally speeding and accidental speeding. I have a terrible time on the roads because I watch out for idiots and pedestrians,,, I miss seeing the limit changes, or I turn onto a new road and don't know what the limit is. I don't want to be driving under the limit and holding up the traffic, and I don't want to speed. I would like to see speed limits marked by colour coded traffic marking lines, so you always know what the limit is (as long as there are lines) I had a Navman that alerted me to the speed zones, however its up to local shires to update changes,,, and they dont. Its very easy to accidentally speed and a bit unfair if the police concentrate on catching accidental speeders. Its probably safer to be watching the traffic than being anal and watching the speedo. I must get a new Navman to help check my speed, as the old one was Chinese and stopped working after 12.000001 months |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:51am
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They use to have 2 really close until someone complained about fines from both ....... that is definitely revenue raising and the judge agreed so one was removed. Don't recall them being turned off this camera is the jewel in the crown for revenue. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by miketrees on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:51am Oh yes, no problem the cops smashing deliberate speeders |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:54am miketrees wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:50am:
If there's no speed limit sign (in a built up area), the speed limit is 50 (60 in the NT). Simple. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:56am
miketrees
I think there is a difference between intentionally speeding and accidental speeding. I have a terrible time on the roads because I watch out for idiots and pedestrians,,, I miss seeing the limit changes, or I turn onto a new road and don't know what the limit is. I don't want to be driving under the limit and holding up the traffic, and I don't want to speed. I would like to see speed limits marked by colour coded traffic marking lines, so you always know what the limit is (as long as there are lines) I had a Navman that alerted me to the speed zones, however its up to local shires to update changes,,, and they dont. Its very easy to accidentally speed and a bit unfair if the police concentrate on catching accidental speeders. Its probably safer to be watching the traffic than being anal and watching the speedo. I must get a new Navman to help check my speed, as the old one was Chinese and stopped working after 12.000001 months No there is no difference between accidental over speed or genuine. I guess you could rate fines based not on over speed but duration but they don't One issue I hate in NSW there are apparently 9 possible speed limits. School zones are 40 KPH on streets that are 50 KPH ....... does anyone think 10KPH means the difference between life and death ? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:56am miketrees wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:51am:
Of course, but more often than not they set up in places where they can keep busy and be safe. On my last Sydney Qld Sydney trip I only saw them set up towards the bottom of a hill on a dead straight 2 or 3 lane stretch of road. I lost count of how many times some tool sat a meter or two behind me at 100kph....... |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:58am RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:56am:
In school zones, 10kph makes a huge diff. Maybe fines should be based on a % of the base speed? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by miketrees on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am
If there's no speed limit sign (in a built up area), the speed limit is 50 (60 in the NT).
Simple. This is why people with your simple mind set should not be in charge of anything. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:05am miketrees wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:03am:
Not sure what you're talking about. Those are the rules. If you're in a built up area, and you can't see any signs, the speed limit is 50. If you don't know that, you shouldn't be driving in the first place. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by miketrees on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:12am
If you don't know that, you shouldn't be driving in the first place.
Thats the attitude that causes all the problems and deaths. The roads should be signposted correctly. The other problem with road safety is that we don't use the hierarchy of control to reduce risk. We rely on lower order controls,,, Admin we dont do enough engineering, elimination or substitution. Admin only works if people are compliant, engineering (better roads) works regardless. Unless you have the small minded people in charge that engineer unsafety into roads |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:18am miketrees wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:12am:
They generally are. When there's no sign, you're in a 50 limit. It couldn't be simpler. "the default speed limit is 50 km/h "speed signs are not displayed on all roads in built-up areas. In these cases, the default speed limit is always in effect" |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by miketrees on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am Gweggy, I am not going to respond when you start throwing the cream puffs, I am Troll resistant. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:23am miketrees wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:22am:
"cream puffs"? I'm just giving you the facts. The default speed limit is 50. Where's the confusion? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:25am
Point to point speed cameras and dashcams would be more effective than setting a speed camera at the bottom of a hill.
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:26am Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:25am:
Sure, you're probably right. I have no problem controlling my speed, though, whether it's going up a hill, down a hill, or on the flat. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by miketrees on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:28am For about 300$ per new car you could install GPS to every car, once you do enough speeding your car just wont start. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:31am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:26am:
Well plenty of motoring experts disagree with you and say that enforcement should not be directed at drivers who creep over the speed limit, as it's just part of driving. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Carl D on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:33am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:42am:
Yep... and doubly so when it comes to dual lane roundabouts. And, as I have mentioned a while back, I would like to see red light cameras on the pedestrian crossings in St. Georges Terrace Perth - the one at London Court and the other one further up the Terrace near Central Park. And, also the one outside North Perth Plaza in Fitzgerald Street close to where I work. Judging by the number of cars, buses, etc. I see going through the red light at these crossings it is only a matter of time before a pedestrian is seriously injured or worse. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by miketrees on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:36am
Judging by the number of cars, buses, etc. I see going through the red light at these crossings it is only a matter of time before a pedestrian is seriously injured or worse.
Red lights are an admin control, only work if people comply. An underpass is an engineering control, much safer. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:38am Carl D wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:33am:
Indeed. The London Court one is just near my office, and I see cars and buses go through the red light all the time. A couple of people have been hit, but no major injuries (thankfully). Perth drivers really do NOT like stopping for pedestrians. I've never understood why. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:46am
Cars doing the wrong thing in round-a-bouts is annoying, but due to the slow speed it's generally just a bit of bingle and not serious.
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:12pm Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:46am:
That cricketer - Michael Clarke (??) - was in a bingle a few years ago. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:14pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:12pm:
That blond bitch nearly killed me TWICE, once while I was pushing 1st born in the pram. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 9th, 2018 at 2:39pm
Gordon
If the MythBusters were still around I guess we could get them to see the damage difference between a kid ran over at 40 v 50 ........ a small child (below bonnet height) would be dead in both cases ..... a taller teenager might slide over the bonnet. Either case I see no difference ! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 9th, 2018 at 2:42pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:38am:
Sounds like most places in Italy. Pedestrian crossing are more like targeting zones. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 9th, 2018 at 2:43pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
The studies I've seen show that the difference between 40 and 50 is quite dramatic (in relation to injuries). There's quite a big difference in stopping distances with those speeds too. A family member of mine was hit out front of a school, so I'm all for the 40 zones. In fact, they should be 30. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 9th, 2018 at 2:46pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
I was stuck for about 12 - 15 minutes once, trying to cross the road in Rome. I also saw someone knocked off their scooter in Rome, and while he lay on the ground all the other drivers abused him for getting in their way. None of them stopped to help. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 9th, 2018 at 2:47pm Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:25am:
They have average speed cameras in the ACT (must be a Fed thing) that is a better idea then fixed cameras. An average speed camera could effectively cover a black spot as the cameras can be placed where they are more accurate. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 9th, 2018 at 2:48pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 2:46pm:
Yep that is Italy. Monaco is equally scary I drove around the F1 circuit ..... the roads are small even by French standards ! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Captain Caveman on Feb 9th, 2018 at 3:19pm
The word safety is the key.
If a vehicle is speeding and a stationary revenue raiser takes a photo of the speeding vehicle then that photo is now evidence that the vehicle was in fact there on the road at that time. It is not clarification that the vehicle was speeding. That then falls on the correct calibration of the lazer measuring device. These things can, and do read incorrectly at times. So IMHO if that vehicle is allowed to continue speeding then in a safety situation the person behind the camera that took the photo is now responsible for the speeding vehicle, as well as the driver of the speeding vehicle. The person that has witnessed the speeding vehicle and taken a photo has a duty of care to pull that vehicle up and caution the driver...hence what police used to do. With the way it is now, a camera takes the photo and the vehicle has not stopped speeding. If that vehicle continues on its way then takes out another vehicle and kills everyone inside I believe the speed camera is responsible along with the driver of the speeding vehicle. The same as in real life situations on building sites etc. If you witness a dangerous action you must alert the persons performing the dangerous action or you could be liable. Speed cameras don't do this....they are PURE revenue raising aids for our gov....nothing more. SO IMHO THE POLICE MUST ALERT THE DRIVER OF THE SPEEDING VEHICLE IMMEDIATELY IF THEY WISH TO HAND OUT AN INFRINGEMENT NOTICE! !!!! All this talk of safety and noone has raised the most important question! Why have our motor vehicles been built to and have the capacity to travel more than double the speed of our HIGHEST speed limit in Australia? We slowed down the heavy vehicles yet a ford falcon can do well over 200kph. WHY??? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:39pm Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 3:19pm:
An easier solution would to fit speed control devices that both limit the speed based on electronic signage. Volvo's actually read speed signs and warn the driver .... it could also slow the car down or maybe issue an automatic ticket. The Nissan GTR can be programmed to be a very average performing car based on GPS co-ordinates but once on a race track it turns into a beast ! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:57pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
40 to 50 would be negligible but remember stopping distances increase exponentially with speed so it would be more the difference between 10 and 25. If the Govt was serious about road safety they'd drop import tariffs on vehicles that have aspects of level 1 and 2 automation like automated emergency braking and lane departure. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:32pm
What great idea.
And while we are at it, stop those damn joggers, what if they fall over, they are a danger to themselves and others. And the bloody jets, there is no need for going 1000 klm/he The stupidity of your arguments is astounding. Pedestrians should stay on the footpath. Do they charge train drivers when a FOOL walks onto the tracks Do they charge ferry captains if some FOOL swims in front of it Do they charge pilots if some FOOL walks onto the tarmac Slowing down traffic is causing more deaths than allowing speed City drivers die in droves in the country Why Because for 11 months of the year they drive at 40, 50 perhaps 60 klm/ hr Then they pack their cars and hit the highway at 110 klm/he They may be great drives around the city as slow speed and with constant need for attention to the idiots around them. But on the freeway, they are driving a straight road, no distractions and at a speed far too slow to keep their mind on the job They drift off........bang they are dead Or perhaps they have something happen that causes them to react At 40, 50 or 60 they stand on the brakes or swerve, perfect solution and very effective. But at 110 klm/ he, it's suicide. The only cure for the road toll is better drivers, with more experience in differing conditions at both slow and fast speeds. Not stick a camera on a stick, or in a van. But for a lazy, greedy and incompetent grubberment the cameras are the perfect solution to a bad budget. People who support speed cameras are fools Begging to be robbed Who have no licence, can't drive or who are incompetent themselves and too afraid to go over 60 k Pathetic |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:04am
Integrity in the police forces?
When my uncle died, he was lauded at his funeral as 'the honest copper', leaving the room pondering why there ever was a need to make such a distinction at all...... When an organisation is handed unequal powers in society, and far too many of its members abuse that power as some form of right, and furthermore that abuse is not only upheld by those set up to oversee their activities, but is defended and condoned on a daily basis via a process of self-regulation ..... there is NO integrity in any way. While police forces, under extreme pressure, are slowly changing, there remain far too many who are dishonest, abusive, in violation of law and common decency, and even outright criminal. That the magistracy and the judiciary actively promote, support, and permit such behaviour is the only crime greater in this nation, and always has been. Changes must begin with the magistracy... hang ten a day until the rest get the message... the only real solution is a clean sweep and a total rebuilding, along with dismantling of those rules that protect the current dishonesty, such as totally inadequate rights of appeal as brought in, in NSW, by that rat Carr. Hang ten politicians a day until the rest get the message. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Dnarever on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:13am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:39am:
The original Spit Bridge cameras 2 of them were taken out and moved to the F1 up from the Hawksberry bridge going north. They were moved because they had been successfully challenged too many times by the Lawyers and their friends of Mosman and surrounding suburbs. Wealthy people dampen the revenue stream. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:16am Gordon wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:25am:
Once again - I cruise control at the limit - I often watch people going past me, sometimes as much as 30kph over... and I've been muttering lately "they'll get you when they put in those average speed cameras". I love being a right bastard on a single lane* when someone behind me has smoke coming out of their ears because the old bastard in front of them won't do the 'local' speed of 120 in the 100..... they race ahead in the first double lanes, then slow back down behind the next car ...... been beside one when the flash went off in the back of the RMS ute that parks on the highway sometimes... cracked up laughing... *when I feel their eyes boring into me, I sit right next to the white line so they can't see past me well, if they tail-gate I knock the CC down a notch at a time until they back off ... ain't I a bastard? Thing is, nobody wants to run into a heavy SUV like a Territory.... and I've got a nice towbar on the back, too... for penetration of radiators etc..... and if they pass and swing in at me, I just swing back and watch their pants go brown ..... you want to play Adrenalin Rush on the highway... I'm your huckleberry.... been driving vans for years and you don't scare me.... |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:17am Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:13am:
Yeah and to be fair, going down hill on a twisty road, it's much better to keep your eyes on the road than on the speedo to make sure you're not going half a poofteenth over the speed limit :) |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Dnarever on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:17am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:23am:
The police etc claim that their interest is in saving lives and road safety. Hidden cameras in danger spots effectively hide the danger and put people at risk. Instead of putting up signs and warning people of the danger they hide a camera and raise revenue. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:25am Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:17am:
Good. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Dnarever on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:25am Gordon wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:17am:
You understand that going north from the Hawksbury is all up hill ? What happened here is that in this location as you came up over the top of the hill 300 metres ahead the road went from 3 lanes to two. Particularly on a friday afternoon people in the right lane would come around the sweeping bend going fast and be faced with a sea of brake lights caused by the build up from the merging traffic. Often cars virtually stopped what felt like 50 metres in front with a 110 speed limit. It was scary. The roads people upgraded to 3 lanes right through the area and fixed the problem, 6 months later the camera's went in and the speed limit was reduced all to fix a problem that didn't exist any longer. It was absolutely brilliant, the work of quality idiots. Hey but people now pay the fines from cameras that were previously proven to be unreliable beaten in court as a matter of course. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Ajax on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:27am
The problem is locals that traverse their highways freeways and streets slow down where they know of cameras, then they happily speed off.
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Dnarever on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:27am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:25am:
Innocent people dying in avoidable car accidents to assist with revenue raising is good ? I don't agree. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:39am Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:25am:
I was talking about Spit Rd. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Dnarever on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:41am Gordon wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:39am:
The cameras they took out were the dual cameras going uphill also. I do not know what is there now if anything. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:32am
"Why panic brake if you werent speeding in the first place? "
Tell that to the idiot who drove straight out in front of me in an 80kph zone, forcing me to apply the outstanding Territory brakes... missed by that much! Bloody fool... just because the car in the left lane is turning left doesn't mean I am as well... DUUUH... Tell that to the dopey sheila who pulled out of a side road onto the 110kph, and instead of following the slip lane and merging 400 m down the road, plenty of space, just darted straight in front of me when another car was overtaking me, forcing me to brake and swing over and just miss the guy overtaking. You don't have to be speeding to 'panic brake' when there are countless fools with a driving licence and a car.... |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 10th, 2018 at 2:10pm Gordon wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:17am:
Looks like a mixture of spurious guess work by many here. The fact is the police took a measure and it backfired road safety did not improve. Yes a big part of that is driver behaviour but as many point out the camera should be about road safety. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 10th, 2018 at 8:33pm Quote:
As a matter of fact They were removed because they were installed in an environment that demonstrated the faulty nature of the cameras. Bus drivers were being books at speeds unattainable by busses uphill. They were successfully challenged when they were proven inaccurate. The vibration from the busses were setting off the piezoelectric sensors prematurely indicating an impossible speed. Speed cameras measure speed over. Metre only The sensors pick up the first signal, transmit it to the computer housed in the box on the side of the road. Then they get the second signal when the vehicle passes over the second sensor. Now The sensors degrade over time and use, thousands of times an hour is far more than they are designed to work. The road ENVIRONMENT is also very sympathetic to electromechanical equipment....NOT The roads can range from negative temperatures to 60, 70, 120 Deg and more. Then there is the computers housed in boxes on the side of the road. Subjected to varying temperatures similar to the sensors. And to add insult to injury, vibration from the trucks, cars and wind does wonderful things to electronics. Add a little humidity, rain and even varying electrical current and you have the perfect ENVIRONMENT for highly accurate speed measurement.........NOT ACA tried to obtain records of accuracy, calibration and repeatability. They asked for the required Estimate of uncertainty of the cameras under the FOI laws and were denied the data. Speed cameras are as accurate as a two Bob watch. They are used in a corrupt and deliberately secretive manner to raise revenue. They have no influence on safety WHAT SO EVER. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a FOOL. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by mortdooley on Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:32pm
One of the benefits of a Constitution is that it protects you from unreasonable municipal money scams like speed trap cameras. I have the Right to face my accuser in court, a camera can't be cross examined.
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bias_2012 on Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:43pm Mortdooley wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
Not here Mort, when our state govts' are hard up for cash because of all their socialist spending, they get extra money any way they can, by hook or by crook |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bobby on Feb 11th, 2018 at 12:09am
Speed cameras are just revenue raisers.
Even cops get caught by them. It's impossible to regulate your driving to always be no more than 2km/hr over the speed limit. The real problem is idiot drivers - tailgating, changing lanes without indicating etc. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Setanta on Feb 11th, 2018 at 12:19am Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:43pm:
It's not just state govts. If the the federal tax on tobacco achieved it's aim of stopping people smoking they'd be in deep doodoo. Yet they increase it at 10% a year claiming exactly that it will stop people smoking. It doesn't and they pilfer our pockets. The tax on alcohol is another. They claim it will stop people drinking so much, it doesn't. If it did the Japanese would all be alchos as less tax would by their reasoning encourage drinking. In Au 2 bottles of black label JW will set you back at least $80 and more like $100, in Japan you could just about buy 6 for that. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:20am
Oh ffs... We already know that the police use speed cameras for revenue raising. The police fine you for speeding and other traffic offences because they get 10% of the fine put in their wages.
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 11th, 2018 at 7:30am Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:27am:
The best solution to black spots is to fix the problem. Not far from where I live their use to be a roundabout regarded as the worse in NSW. It was during the time where they went viral they were mindlessly putting them everywhere. About 10 years ago they got rid of it and put traffic lights up instead. The intersection barely gets a mention these days. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 11th, 2018 at 7:42am Gordon wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 9:39am:
From memory the road is relative low accident area considering amount of traffic...... before the cameras there was roughly 12 accidents a year which went up to 14 (from memory) accidents after they were installed ..... neither figure is disturbing for a major road in Sydney so for sure the Spit Rd camera is a revenue camera. I got caught in the traffic from a big bus accident once but considering how busy it gets I would not call it a black spot. What I would call a real black spot is an area with moderate or low traffic but high accident rate. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 11th, 2018 at 7:51am Mortdooley wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 11:32pm:
That would be the minority you can not argue revenue raising in court the judge will just explain donations are voluntary. The only time I have seen camera charges beaten in court are on more technical reasons. The funniest one I read about was a lady got done for 158 km/h in a Datsun 120y. The media got a pro-driver to take her beast out on a track the fastest it would go was 117kph. Victoria seems to have a rich history in misuse of speed cameras. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 11th, 2018 at 8:09am Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 12:09am:
I have not been booked for over 10 years and I do about 20k-25k / year. I find it easy I speed all the time but I know where all the fixed cameras are on my regular routes and the spots where the mobile cameras usually sit. The last time I got booked was by a mobile Hwy Patrol car doing 100 in a 90 zone. I was the only car on the road .... but I was speeding no complaints. I do agree we need to lift the bar on driver testing and training ...... and yes the police should focus on other bad driver techniques. If anyone tail gates me I cut my speed in half ! The road I live on is a 50 zone but many like to do 70-80 ...... I often get to my house with 20 odd cars following me as I am doing 20-30 as I am getting tailgated. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bobby on Feb 11th, 2018 at 9:02am RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 8:09am:
But if you do that the tailgater could perform a reckless overtaking maneuver that will take you out. It's best to pull over and let them pass. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Ajax on Feb 11th, 2018 at 9:19am
Going to work one morning, I was in the left lane a small runabout on my right started to drift to his right (the third lane), a semitrailer came along side the runabout in the third lane, the person in the runabout must have been looking at his phone or fell asleep.
The runabout got caught under the trailer about one or two metres behind the turntable for about 5 seconds the were locked together (doing at least 100km/h), the person in the runabout must have locked his steering to the left to break free lucky I slowed down cause when they came apart the runabout left the trailer on a tangent and headed straight for the concrete barrier on my left. Must admits the guy in the runabout must have been a good driver because he just turned in time missing the concrete barrier by about one metre, if I had been beside him he would have smashed into me and I would’ve ended up in the concrete barrier. No one got hurt. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 11th, 2018 at 11:47am Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 9:02am:
That is their decision they need to live by it, I live on a single lane double lined road no where to pass legally and the speed limit is 50. If they hit someone on the other side of the road its unlikely to impact me. Why not just follow the speed limit its a residential area. I never speed in a 50 zone. We have at least 1 accident per month mostly minor. There was a big one where a speeding truck took out someones toy Nissan GTR.... moved it about 5 metres and made it about a metre smaller. Based on the damage this guy did to 3 vehicles he was doing well over 80 ! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by red baron on Feb 11th, 2018 at 12:01pm
Gee Unsubtle Rocky wish I knew that when I was in the N.S.W. Police for 18 years..your claim that the cops get 10% of fines in their wages
I spent about 8 years of my service in the Traffic Branch but I never did come across your chestnut Now that is news to me and would have been for the other 15,000 Police I served with Derrrr :D |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bobby on Feb 11th, 2018 at 12:12pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 11:47am:
I'm talking about defensive driving - that's the advice that I'm passing on. Pull over and let the idiots pass. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:17pm
One of the cameras used to demonstrate the effectiveness of speed cameras and one which is rolled out every time is the Ourimbah $peed $camera.
They tout the stats that after installation, accidents dropped by several hundred percent, for one almost weekly to the rare one now experienced. Now, let's look at the facts. They very carefully state something along the lines of accidents within so many kilometers of said $camera. Within this very carefully stated parameter, there was once a roundabout, those of us older generation will remember this roundabout with trepidation. You would come off a 110 klm/ hr zone into a roundabout after a long downhil run. Truck brakes faded, water pooled, slippery conditions all led to regular accidents, many fatal. About the same time this greed $camera was fitted, they fixed this roundabout with an overpass, avoiding the horrendous danger spot. And was it because they fixed the road that all these deaths and carnage stopped? Of course not, it was the camera installed several Kilometers up the road. Another was on the seriously dangerous road to Woy Woy, This road had several hairpin bends, was slippery, heavily used, and often subjected to foggy conditions. They fixed the road, straightening out the more serious bends and widening the road. And they installed a greed $camera. The toll reduced logrithmically, but was this reduction due to improved roadway? Of course not, it was the $camera. There is no, ZERO, actual proof of ANY effectiveness of ANY speed scammers anywhere in the world. You can find graphs pointing out the road toll vs various in positions on drivers. The most, single effective mechanism was RBT, one of the very few good ideas from this mob of imbeciles. But there is little or no change, even an increase in the toll when speed detection methodologies are introduced. A very intelligent man once said "Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different result, is the definition of stupidity" $speed $cameras don't work, if they did surely the number of people caught speeding would reduce in time, but it's actually increasing. The grubberment actually budgets for an increase in fines every year. They keep changing speed limits, putting new slower speed limits several times in a few klm, simply to raise revenue. In NSW, we now have more $speed $cameras than at any time before. Mobile, fixed and cops, And last year the toll increased. Does this not tell you something? It's just another grubberment scam to suck the suckers dry. Finally, in this rather long explanation. NSW tried the "ok you think this is just revenue raising, we will increase the points to 3 Points for every speeding fine, even 2 klm over the limit. Suddenly people were losing their licences HAND over fist. With double demerits and the plethora of cameras, speed just twice by even a few klm and it was gone. Then the grubberment noticed a disturbing trend. Lost licence, can't get to work, get sacked. But more concerning to the grubberment was that all of a sudden, an income stream from tax was drying up and the same people were claiming the dole. Very quickly the grubberment made a decision. The points were lowered to 1 point for the most profitable range 0 to 10 kilometers per hour over the limit. And of course increase the fines. Best of both worlds. It simply proves that the grubberment is only after money, it cares nothing for our safety or lives, simply what it can get off us. Greed $cameras are nothing but revenue raisers. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:22pm
Good write up Valk what are your thoughts on cameras going up around black spots and the revenue raised goes directly to fix that section?
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 11th, 2018 at 3:46pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 12:12pm:
Advice ignored I prefer not to enable bad driving techniques and rather enjoy there faces going bright red. I am more than happy for them to pull over and have a discussion about their moronic driving methods. Even using you wimpy theory they will have to cross double lines being dangerous anyway. You seemed to have not read my post closely enough. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 11th, 2018 at 3:50pm Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:22pm:
There is the problem, its problematic to put a camera anywhere let alone a specific black spot. I agree with the concept but funding for infrastructure should really come from everyone, if they know a spot is dangerous they should just fix it ! Not wait around until the camera raises enough money ! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 11th, 2018 at 3:52pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 3:46pm:
On the Pac Hwy up towards Maclean where the road is mostly one lane as it runs along the river, some shtbag in a late 80s piece of crap Landcruiser was following about 2meters behind me. Now I'm in my 2016 car which could probably pull up from 100ks in a quarter of the distance to his piece of crap junker. If I needed to hit the brakes he would have hit me, and a hit from the rear at that speed can easily induce a roll over. Eventually he passed, but I swear if I saw him pulled over in a servo I felt like punching his lights out. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 11th, 2018 at 4:33pm Valkie wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:17pm:
Don't you want the government to have revenue? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:22pm:
The problem with that LIE from the grubberment is exactly that. Firstly, the $camera is not set up at the black spot. As with the dreadful road near Coffs Harbour, where the accidents actually occur is nowhere near the speed camera. It is set up in the only overtaking area where there are two lanes. The whole thing is lies. And once the road is fixed, why don't they remove these revenue tools? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 11th, 2018 at 5:58pm Valkie wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
My little trick to get around speed cameras hasn't failed me yet. I don't speed. Yes, that's right: I obey the law. Shhhh, don't let anyone else know my secret. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by lee on Feb 11th, 2018 at 6:03pm
'I speed coz the gubermint says they need the money.' (No, I am not saying anyone has said that Hortense)
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 11th, 2018 at 6:20pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
My GPS is set up with every camera I approach them at 10 klm/ hr under the limit. Also I have a phone app that reports every camera car. I drive at the limit except where the cruse control speeds up before I catch it. They won't get me. But have you noticed the police statements when pulled over. I have been in the car of a friend when he was done for 10k over the limit. It went Why were you speeding driver ( his recording device records the response, he is looking for an excuse) I said, we were not speeding officer. He then moved to his backup statement. I recorded your speed at xxx why were you going so fast. I responded We were not speeding, your equipment may be faulty, uncalibrated or picked up another vehicle. At this point he turned off his recording device, so I turned on my phone recording and told him so. He directed me to exit the vehicle so he could speak to the driver without interruption. I got out, not wishing to be accused of not following a police directive. But not before stating that it was obviously a miscarriage of justice. I left the phone on the seat. The mate caved, the wuss. The cop smiled at me, and I wished him happy revenue raising. As he walked away I said soon you will be replaced with cameras and robots. He spun and went to say something, but I pointed at the phone and said It's being recorded to cloud. He stomped off. Fool Ps We were on a three lane highway, no other vehicles, on a downhill run just coming out of a 40 k faster speed zone. You have to hit the anchors to slow down at this little trap. That's why they sit there. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 11th, 2018 at 6:23pm Valkie wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 6:20pm:
Jesus! I just obey the law. No GPS. No apps. I look at the speed limit on the sign, and don't go over it. Simples! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 11th, 2018 at 6:27pm
People with modern cars with advanced stability control and automated braking should be allowed to drive faster than povos with piece of junk old bombs.
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bobby on Feb 11th, 2018 at 7:07pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 3:46pm:
I read your post and I don't agree with it. You don't know who you're going to meet up with on the road - it could be an ice addict with a machete. I think most tailgaters are on ice. Let them go - let them kill someone else. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 11th, 2018 at 7:45pm
I drive an average of 60000 k plus a year in several states of Australia.
I have also driven in Germany, France, England and Sweden. Three things become obvious when ever I drive in Australia. 1) you tend to spend more time checking the Speedo because the speed limit changes so often. 2) Australia has more speed detection and more focus on speed than any other country I have visited. 3) Australia has some of the worst and most poorly maintained roads IN THE WORLD. Fix these pathetic goat tracks. Get people's concentration on the road and not the Speedo. Train drivers to drive properly But what do they do? Their new great plan? More speed detection and revenue. They don't care about us They only care about revenue |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 11th, 2018 at 8:01pm
People like me with mad driving skills and a safe modern car should be allowed to drive faster than a gook who's just received their license and grips the wheel like death and aren't even relaxed enough to do a simple head check before changing lanes.
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 11th, 2018 at 10:28pm red baron wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 12:01pm:
Considering that I dated a police officer. And I knew/know a police officer in traffic, they say that they get part of the fine put into their wage. Otherwise, where is the incentive to fine people? Police will just drive around all day waiting for crimes to happen, and drivers will just disregard traffic laws in elevated levels. You are just annoyed that I know something that is not made public knowledge. And now you are just overcompensating on a forum pretending that I, as a member of the public, are too sheltered from the workings of the police. Stations work at a loss. Raising revenue through parking fines, traffic fines, etc., is just one way that the police force try to pay for some of the running of their service. Otherwise, it would be deemed unnecessary to keep the police stations running with so many officers. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Coral Sea on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:28am
What a surprise...OzPol's resident liberal cucks and faggots defend the speed cameras.
Why? Because liberals hate you and want you to be oppressed. Every bozo knows that speed limits are nearly always set too low. After all, look at the term itself. Speed limit. A limit should be the maximum safe speed that it is permitted to travel. Is it ever? Never. As such, speed limit enforcement is one of the many petty tyrannies ordinary citizens have to put up with. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Everglade on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:00am Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 8:01pm:
Is this typical of the kind of comment found on this site? I've been watching for a few weeks and i see comments like this go unchallenged. I don;t understand, Do you all think this is OK? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Everglade on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:00am Everglade wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:00am:
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:19am Bobby. wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 7:07pm:
No your just being paranoid. If a meth head wants to get out his car I am an ex rugby forward I would probably enjoy the workout if they want to get out and discuss such issues :-) So which meth infested area do you live in ? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Stig on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:23am Valkie wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 7:45pm:
Spend much time driving overseas and you can only come to the conclusion that Australia is a paranoid nanny-state when it comes to roads and driving, all of which goes to reinforce some of the worst driving habits in the world. As for road conditions, it's obvious that the government would rather blather on about "speed kills" than actually save lives. How many years is it since the Grafton Bus Crash - and yet the Pacific Highway is still a goat track in places. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:27am Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 8:01pm:
I agree to a certain extent - the highway near here and everywhere I head off to from here is a four lane with dividing strip about two lanes wide - mostly straight and easy..... a good driver in a modern car could do 160 like an autobahn on it, but that is verboten. On the other hand - every time I drive it, it becomes a tangle whenever there are more than two cars near one another, for the simple reason that driving skills are not very good with the majority, who either drive slow or fast (I use cruise control at the limit), hog the right lane instead of overtaking and moving over etc, some (mostly brownskins) can't keep a steady speed, irritate you to death, and then match speed with you like they're magnetically attached when you overtake them so you can't open a gap and move to the left, many cut in close when overtaking like they're on Parramatta Road, and generally many do stupid sh1t like tail-gating or traveling in herds since they mostly drive in cities once a week and have no idea that a sudden stop at 110kph needs more space behind or a collision will occur. I like a good 50m in front and back, thanks, or I get toey. Don't start me on P Platers and the tradie utes (and some others) with the automatic 20kph over the limit overtaking the silly old bastard who won't do 'their' speed but sits right on the limit, and then cut in and slow down. Don't start me on the idiots who pull out in front of you to overtake a truck, and then sit on its 'wing' or half-way along it (DUUUH) because they're frightened to actually go past it... We had a prang two ridges from here one day just before we got there - two wild horses ran in front of a truck, he slammed on brakes, still hit both, and one flew over into the right lane and hit a car.... both horses died, as did the car. Any fool traveling ten feet behind the car or truck would have run up their arse, but people do it all the time, thinking that no emergency stops ever happen out here. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:33am Gordon wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 3:52pm:
Are you referring to the Maclean River ? Been fishing on that one a few times caught a few species I never saw before. Yes idiots in 2+ tonne 4WD. Coming back from Lithgow I was cruising along at 110kph and an idiot in one came flying past me up hill the hit the corner at the top and he slammed his breaks on. Lucky it was a 2 lane road I cut into the outside lane and sped up to 140kph going around him. People who buy them claim they are safer yet they often tailgate people and drive like idiots clearly safety is the last thing on their minds. We have two performance cars one average and one high performance. Even in the low spec car I often over take people around corners. From what I have read 4WD's are safer at low speeds but more dangerous in high speed accidents due to topple over. Modern 4WD are more car like making them worse at offroad but safer than the older style solid chassis ones, but a tall heavy vehicle will always roll easier a concept these 4wd owners seem to ignore. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:35am
There's more to driving skills than being able to go fast - you need to be in front of your vehicle at all times, be able to make timely decisions on any lane change etc, and drive to the conditions. I have yet to encounter a road that is 'no good' (unless it's full of holes or washed away) - only a lot of drivers who are no good on it. Lakes Way near here is a beauty - people run off it a lot since it is as windy as the old Pacific Highway out of Hornsby. Why? there are plenty of signs that say 35 kph corner etc....
Ah, yes - the old invulnerable armour plated 4WD My car camera has many tales to tell... some of them scary as hell. I should get it going again and record them. Stupid thing won't recognise the card in it.... |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Everglade on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:36am Everglade wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:00am:
Is no-one prepared to say? Even when it's highlighted for you, it means nothing? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:45am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:35am:
100% agree I think skid pan testing should be mandatory, on a slippery surface a car can spin out at low speeds especially a big 4wd with hard Tyres. They should also test emergency breaking. Both me and the wife have done advance driver training where all sorts of driver challenges were thrown at us. We also learnt how to control a high speed parallel slide. I also have done a rally drivers course, when we did parallel slides the instructor said to me "You have done this before". Besides the fun of pushing our toys to their limit these courses also teach you not to panic if something goes wrong. Cars do slide even at low speeds and every so often you will need to execute emergency breaking .... its a crime drivers are not tested for these. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:45am Everglade wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:36am:
White Men Can't Jump - Yellow Men Can't Drive - Black Men Can't Handle Law And Have Big Dicks (lmao) ...... did I miss any...... oh - Red Men Can't Stay Sober ......... Online Puritans Can't Take A Joke Or Reality..... Gooks can't drive... simple really.... Indians aren't much better, especially the women..... 8-)... Mussos are either totally incompetent on the road or drive like they are flying a jet while on crystal meth (probably are), and hit things regularly...... European back-packers use the right lane as the slow one, since that's the way things are in Chermany etc... must be the case since everyone goes past them in the left lane...... cursing and spitting chips.... sooo uncultured..... Joys of multi-culturalism and a thriving tourist industry, innit? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Everglade on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:47am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:45am:
You're nearly dead, yes? New makes way for the old. Goodbye. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:52am Stig wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:23am:
What like Italy :-) I do agree in France and Germany they are better skilled drivers but in many countries like India complete insanity prevails ..... Italy is not far behind ! Many drivers in Australia seem to think driving slowly is safe. Drive on the freeway up to Gosford you see these idiots driving at 80 in the right hand lane. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:52am Everglade wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:47am:
Loser.. learn to drive.... gooks can't..... HERE! I modified it for you, slow synapses.... you're almost brain dead - move over for the real people.... White Men Can't Jump - Yellow Men Can't Drive - Black Men Can't Handle Law And Have Big Dicks (lmao) ...... did I miss any...... oh - Red Men Can't Stay Sober ......... Online Puritans Can't Take A Joke Or Reality..... Gooks can't drive... simple really.... Indians aren't much better, especially the women..... Cool... Mussos are either totally incompetent on the road or drive like they are flying a jet while on crystal meth (probably are), and hit things regularly...... European back-packers use the right lane as the slow one, since that's the way things are in Chermany etc... must be the case since everyone goes past them in the left lane...... cursing and spitting chips.... sooo uncultured..... Joys of multi-culturalism and a thriving tourist industry, innit? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Stig on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:53am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Indeed. Anyone who believes that the government cares about safety rather than revenue should remember that until a few years ago it was illegal for a P-plater to drive a turbocharged car - any turbocharged car including a Smart Car or a base model Volvo - but completely legal for them to get in several tonnes of 4WD with a bullbar. In some cases cops who pulled over P-platers had to consult the owners manual because they didn't know whether the car was a turbo or not. The turbo bans showed the government didn't care the slightest about driver safety at all, as long as they could keep sucking down revenue from idiotic laws and people going 3km/h over an arbitrary limit. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:55am RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:52am:
You see someone on a freeway doing 80 you KNOW they can't drive.... same with anyone who never looks at their mirrors .... driver training and licencing is a farce, easier to pick the pockets of the public than spend money on genuine training and accident prevention. I always know what's around me, especially behind and in the other lane, in case I have to move suddenly. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:56am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:45am:
I was at Bankstown once when I got back to my car there was this Chinese lady driving a big Merc 450 with he lack of height she looked like she was looking through the steering wheel. She was trying to park the big barge next to my car. After about 4 attempts I said to her "For $100 bucks I will park it for you !". She drove off looking for another spot after that. They are bad drivers and they seem to like big Mercs ! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:04am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:55am:
You left out checking the blind spots. I also have an issue with drivers that need glasses, I need them for reading but what I notice when I wear them is your peripheral vision is compromised. At the RTA (or services NSW as they are called now) they only test vision directly in front of you. Peripheral vision has saved me from accidents a few times ! Another bad behaviour I see is motor cycle riders often sit in blind spots behind vehicles. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:07am
I used to ride motor bikes all the time - I check all around me... you are right - I have reading glasses and when even walking around the house I sometimes run into a door jamb or something when carrying something in my arms ..... they wreck your peripheral vision... don't go stepping down off a ladder with them on - you let go two steps up instead of one.....
Don't need them for driving though, but you are right - test is only straight ahead. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Everglade on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:09am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:52am:
Yes. You're clearly on the way out. I'm sad for you that the transition wasn't easier. Next incarnation maybe? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:41am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:55am:
Just the other day I was traveling south towards the Harbour Tunnel and noticed a car in the right lane which ends and has to merge left. I always let people merge and never do the speed up and let you merge behind me thing. The road was quiet with no other cars close by, so I hung back a respectful distance to allow it to merge. It didn't, and just as kept going and slowed down to about 40. I hoped an extra lane across because I didn't want to be anywhere near it. The driver was a bespecticled asian woman, holding the wheel like grim death with her face nearly pressed against the windscreen. In my mirror I could see she eventually came to a full stop. So bloody dangerous. She didn't even have the road skills to do a merge in light traffic...on a full license. I see stuff like this all the time. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Everglade on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:50am
I don't understand why everyone is brushing over the overt racism in this thread.
Is no-one else alarmed by it? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:58am Everglade wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:50am:
I'm alarmed at how some Asians manage to get their license when they can't ever perform a simple lane merge. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Everglade on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:09am Gordon wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:58am:
I'm more alarmed at how you've managed to turn your computer all the way on. Bet you can't add a printer though. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Gordon on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:20am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:07am:
Graps, I learned to ride dirt bikes when I was 6, I learned to drive cars in the paddock on a farm when I was 10. I've raced motocross, have done about 50 track days fanging a bike around Eastern Creek at face melting speeds. I've ridden motorbikes around S/E Asia, from the bottom of Thailand thru Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam in some of the craziest traffic in the world. I've been in two accidents in my life, both times nearly identical, a multi car bumper to bumper where the car in front of me read ended the car in front of it, I managed to stop in time yet the car behind rear ended me. Put simply, all drivers are not equal. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:35am Coral Sea wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:28am:
Oh diddums. Have you tried not speeding. Works a treat ;) |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Captain Caveman on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:59am Everglade wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Those who scream racist....are racist. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:04am Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:59am:
There's racism is most threads here. Have you met the resident troll, Herbert? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Everglade on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:11am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:04am:
I've not met Herbert yet. But i feel there are many who can wear his crown. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:16am Everglade wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:11am:
Many try, but Herbert is the master. He manages to be the biggest troll on the forum, AND the biggest victim. You'll often see him whinging about people ruining his threads simply by having a different opinion to his. If anyone dares to post facts that contradict Herbert's "arguments", he'll go running to the mods claiming that there are "graffiti artists" destroying his thread. In Herbert's book, it's his way or the highway. He also moderates a board here, and quite regularly deletes posts that he doesn't like. A delightful fellow. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:35am Everglade wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Yes its racist and yet this race proves the stereo type over and over ! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 12th, 2018 at 10:47am
Slopes can't drive - what's wrong with that simple statement of fact?
Is someone suggesting that Slopes, Dinks, Gooks, Chinkers, Slants, Kurry Kaffirs etc are not part of the human race? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Captain Caveman on Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:03pm
Like I've said...those who scream it....are it.
You can say it was a red car but not a black human. A green motorcycle as opposed to a white gunman. A yellow helicopter or a mifdle eastern muslim terrorist. Stupid brainwashed humans and their "me too" rubbish. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:19pm Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:03pm:
If a red car is involved in an accident, does that mean that all red cars are dangerous? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Captain Caveman on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:15pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
Depends on the make of that car doesn't it? I know the new ford rangers are catching on fire atm. Massive recalls happening. Not all of them are duds but a few are hence the alert bulletins being posted out. I know all of the ford mustangs have one of Australias lowest safety ratings. All of them. Fkkn fords. I cannot see the problem in a clear discription though. It's not racist to provide clear information regarding a human being. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:17pm Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:15pm:
So, colour has nothing to do with it. Thanks for proving my point. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:09pm
AaaaaaarrrRRGGHH! The Volvo driven by the old guy in a white hat....
Sticker on the back of my Terr'u'tree says:- "Caution - Cranky Old Git At The Wheel!" Might get a white hat to wear in the car to REALLY frighten 'em! Passing a truck in a huge rain downpour one day, and rear window totally washed out even with wiper going, and some young fool flashed and horned me for giving the truck a long space before I cut back to the left AT 110 kph in the pouring rain, mind you .... I then did the same to him and sat on his right hand rear as if ready to cop-dump him... he sh!t himself.... Don't mess with old guys.... what you think you can do they've been doing for fifty years... |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bobby on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:03pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:19am:
Meth heads are everywhere - it takes 6 cops to hold one down. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:19pm Everglade wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:00am:
It is a seemingly insincere big-noting of himself, with casual racism thrown in for good measure in contrasting driving styles of various drivers in this country. Nothing to get one all bent out of shape.... unless he crashes. Then he would get "bent out of shape". |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:30pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:19am:
You're an *ex* rugby forward who talks tough about going head to head with a meth head. It all depends on the person, but rugby players a few years out of the game are not known to be anywhere as tough as they were during the rugby playing days. Depending on whether you are heavily into the weights training. And meth heads are not the type of "put up your dukes" fair play fighters. I recall when I was 90kg and able to bench 80% of my body weight, some smart arse prick who outweighed me by 20kg managed to be knocked off his feet by a well-placed uppercut. All the talk about wanting to fight me and shaping to fight me went nowhere when he could not land a punch -- and it was all over for him in one hit. I would suggest that you make sure you can live up to the reputation you give yourself before you take on some youngster high on drugs. Because they could have not only the element of surprise, dirty fighting, etc., but also back up to help them out if they are losing. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:55pm Everglade wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:50am:
We Australians are not overly sensitive about casual racism. The way racism dies is when it gets ignored or rejected through lack of entertaining its merits. Otherwise, it will continue to be used as a shock tool to the naive and hypersensitive. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:11pm Gordon wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Ever been to China? It's a complete nightmare over there. They drive as if no other car is on the road. BUT The way it works is that he who runs into someone pays Regardless of what the other driver does, even driving down the wrong side of the road. Surprisingly this reduces accidents because they will do anything to avoid a crash. Not like Australians, who deliberately target anyone who dares to do anything they see as wrong, and because they are "technically" in the right, they get compensated. We should use maritime rules. Both captains are charged One for doing the wrong thing And The other for not avoiding the accident That would help reduce accidents And for the likes of gweggy, extra fines and revenue |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:16pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlH9RGLJqxE
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by bludger on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:26pm
The problem is, if some-one is speeding and is clocked by a hidden device the driver is free to go on breaking the law.
The question must be asked- Is speeding a threat to life and limb or not? If it is the driver must be pulled over and dealt with immediately. If not then the whole thing is a farce. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm bludger wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:26pm:
Yes. That's a good point. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:27pm UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
So funny, yet so wrong. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:06pm bludger wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:26pm:
There was that commercial years ago about a speeding motorist getting clocked by a speed camera. Then, a minute afterwards, the speeding, distracted driver gets into a head on collision with an oncoming car carrying a family or 5. Commercial ends with him in hospital in stitches, whilst a nurse reprimands him for making orphans of the surviving victims. A weekend later, someone wrote in to the newspaper to say that the flaw with the commercial was that the officer manning the speed camera did not chase down the driver to warn him of his speeding. A warning would have saved the life of the family. Speed cameras are only good to try and discourage people from speeding. But it won't stop the road toll from distracted drivers. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Captain Caveman on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:16pm bludger wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:26pm:
Exactly. Then begs the question of the motor vehicles speed capabilities. Some vehicles can double our national limits with ease. It's a money raising con. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:48pm UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
Very presumptuous of you, I suggest the next time you light yourself up with meth you don't bump into me :-) Big talk from a little man, BTW do you also live in a meth infested area ? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:00pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:48pm:
Not sure. It is more about heroin and minor stuff like marijuana. And if I were on ice and I managed to meet you, it would probably be you needing the ambulance ride to hospital. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 13th, 2018 at 4:31am
Do they take pictures of murderers and post them fines?
Do they take pictures of trespassers (potential terrorists) at airports and send them fines? Do they take pictures of gun wielding maniacs and send them fines? If speeding is as bad as the thought police want us to believe, they are contributing to the road toll by not arresting them on the spot. But they know it's nowhere near really dangerous, there are far more dangerous activities on the road which are neglected because it's not easy lazy money like speed. I refer to the drunk, drugged, unlicensed drivers, I refer to the defective cars and trucks. I refer to the idiots who simply cannot drive. But if govco started spending time and money on these REAL road problems, they would not be raking in as much cash. Most drug taking alcoholics have no money for fines. Most people driving bangers and defective trucks do so because they can afford no better. The unlicensed and problematic drivers will ignore court orders and will not, can not pay fines. NO PROFIT, AND MUCH WORK So these things are ignored. Speed enforcement is quite simply easy cash for a lazy grubberment. It is so easy for a cerebral deficient cop to prove Duh, the little red light sed he was speeding. If they took all the speeding drivers off the road. Even those 1 or 2 klm/ hr over the limit, the grubberment would go broke. They know it, we know it. It's just a money making scam, perpetuated by an organisation that can't even build the roads they are in existence to build. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 13th, 2018 at 4:49am
Here is something to contemplate.
We have the technology to restrict the speed of any vehicle. A simple modification to most of today's computer controlled vehicles for a few hundred dollars could easily be fitted. For a few dollars at every speed change, a simple transponder could be buried in the road, these transponders are slightly bigger than a pen, are static and are only active when the receive a signal from a transmitter, the one fitted to the vehicle. That means there is zero maintenance required, but and forget. Every time a vehicle goes over a transponder, it is limited to the speed for which that transponder is coded. Easy? And far more effective than cameras and police. There are two reasons this will never be done. 1) they know speed is not the primary cause of accidents and that accidents will continue or even increase as the drivers will pay even less attention than they do now. 2) the second reason is far more compelling to govco, $400,000,000.00 A year and rising. It's all about revenue Only revenue |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Captain Caveman on Feb 13th, 2018 at 5:26am Valkie wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 4:49am:
It is 100% revenue....nothing more. They brainwash the masses into thinking they are trying to prevent speeding yet allow the masses to 1. Keep speeding once they have flashed you and the infringement process is under way And 2. Allow the masses to purchase vehicles that have the capability of blowing our highest posted speed limit out of the water. The whole thing is a joke, criminal actually. Drivers in Brisbane started slowing down...so what do the gov do? Lower speed limits to catch out motorists. You would never see a cop on a certain road till the speed was reduced...then they hit it hard. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 13th, 2018 at 5:47am UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 9:00pm:
Sounds like your on Ice have you discussed this with your parole officer ? Come on little man own up to your addiction its the first step. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 13th, 2018 at 5:53am Valkie wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 4:49am:
I doubt it would ever be fool proof, there are a big collection of devices you can pick up on ebay to override the factory settings on your engine management systems. Most cars are tuned down for warranty reasons a simple chip can increase the power by a fair bit .... whatever technology they would impose can be easily undone. Also a few hundred dollars for the many millions of cars out there would be a big pointless exercise. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Captain Caveman on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:41am RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 5:53am:
If you tamper with a trucks governor and are found to have done so then you can face a serious fine and perhaps in sime cases a jail term. Same can happen with cars. Also I have no problem with vehicle confiscations if they are found to be tampered with. Confiscate the vehicle and crush it in front of the owner. Let them cry poor and hard done by. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 13th, 2018 at 7:14am Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:41am:
No on cars as long as its not dicking around with emmisions control its all legal, I think your point is more relevant to diesels. What I do agree to you would need to check it out on a case by case basis. For sure your warranty would no longer apply. Just about every 4wd owner I know does it. Personally I find modern petrol cars are powerful enough. A very popular one is chipping XR6 Turbo's. apparently you can push them to over 400KW. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:13pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 5:47am:
What I am trying to get you to understand is that a *former* rugby front row player can still get an arse kicking from a meth addict in an ambush of a fight. I have fought a meth addict. Under sober circumstances, I would have mopped the floor with him, being that he did not have a great deal of muscle definition. But under the circumstances of him being drugged up, he started and put up a fight with me with some heavy hits against me. We both walked away from the fight, with myself probably faring worse than he. I would probably call it a loss for myself -- seeing as I gained nothing from the experience, other than renewed hindsight. He would have woken up the next day not knowing that he was in a fight, the way he walked off jabbering some nonsensical rambling and being still agitated. And I am about as sober as I can get in terms of alcohol use. Drugs have not been a part of my life since 2006. I can't understand why you would be so casual about the dangers of fighting people, even in self defence. I wish my boxing training from 2004 is all I need to have experienced to be able to win fights TODAY. But it does not. I would have to be constantly training and keep fit to be able to win most fights I could come up against. Being a *former* front row rugby player, you would still need to go on jogs and weight training to be any threat to an opponent. Don't big note yourself. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:20pm
I have a speed limiter on my car. It does not limit my speed, but how fast I accelerate -- obviously. A few weeks ago, I planted my foot on my way to overtaking someone on the Yeppoon Road. The acceleration was slow, and the revving was high, and the vexation of overtaking was extreme.
Personally, I think the idea of using them to be more of a contributor to road rage than not having the function applied. And the idea of having a car is to transport people quicker than walking or riding. Having a lower highest speed is a problem if you do have an issue with an emergency. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:10pm UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:13pm:
Sure maybe a bigger meth head might put up a challenge but I don't live in the meth infested land you seem to. Again your just sprouting presumptuous BS, if you want to live your life like a quivering coward by all means do so ! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:14pm UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 12:20pm:
So why not use you brain to limit speed ? One on my cars is a serious performance machine but most of the time I just cruise around in it. Obviously you seem to have self control issues on all sorts of areas. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:29pm
POLICE are revenue raisers...
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:29pm Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:29pm:
Is there anything about revenue that you don't like? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:32pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Exactly! I don't understand these people who say it's too hard because there are too many different speed zones, and that they have to keep looking at their speedo. That's what driving is all about - 100% concentration on the road. If you can't do that, hand in your licence. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 13th, 2018 at 3:50pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:10pm:
You sound like a BS artist. Does not believe police have an incentive to book speeding motorists because it helps with their pay. Talks like some steroid user on a power trip. Thanks for the information, RSF. I will place your posts in the same context of an intellectualising junkie you seem to be. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 13th, 2018 at 3:55pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
I usually drive at the speed limit. In my town, the police like to use speed cameras just about every day at various locations. I have had 2 genuine speeding fines (and a couple bogus ones) in the 21 years I have been driving. The problem is that people who put those devices on their cars are probably doing more problems than they are resolving. I can quite easily drive safely. And you still seem obsessed with painting any person who challenges you as a drug user ("meth head") and have a severe desire to fight them. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 13th, 2018 at 4:02pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:32pm:
I had a situation 6 years ago where a police officer booked me for doing 56km/h in a 60km/h zone. He claimed that it was a 40kmh school zone. I pointed this fact out to him, but he was too recalcitrant to be bothered. Obviously, he wanted to rack up his $20 of the $200 fine he gave me. If he was reasonable with this, he could have grasped at the few kilometres I was over if I back in the school zone, and not worried about the reading he took 100m passed the school zone. The issue is that with constantly changing speed zones, the police can take advantage of technicalities, rather than zones that deserve policing. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 13th, 2018 at 5:48pm
I drive 10 klm to the freeway every day.
In that 10 klm the speed limit changes 12 times 50 up my street then into the 40 k zone out of that and back to 50 then onto a 70 zone, at the roundabout its 60 then back to 70 100 meters up the road Then 80 klm for a short spurt until yet another school zone, 60 then 40 then back to 80 until just before the interchange 60 through the interchange and then onto the freeway. That's 12 speed changes in 10 klm some only meters apart. And yes the speed camera car haunts this area, as do cops on a regular basis. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would break the whole thing up into perhaps 3 zones and do away with most of the changes. But the real trap is up near Coolongalook heading north. There is a long steep hill, followed by a long steep down hill. Nice shiny new road, two lanes wide and an 80k speed limit. One guess as to where the speed camera hides. They have even trimmed the trees on the side of the road so they can hide. and isn't it funny how ther warning signs all seem to get blown over, and they never notice. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2018 at 5:53pm Valkie wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 5:48pm:
There shouldn't be any warning signs. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Grendel on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:04pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:29pm:
Yes it coming out of my pockets for no reason and going to the government. Much rather it went into or stayed in my pockets... you? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:20pm Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:04pm:
Me? I don't contribute. I discovered a little trick, many years ago, and since then I've never looked back. Would you like me to share it with you? Okay, here it is: I don't break the law! Yeah, pretty outrageous, huh? I learnt pretty quickly that if I don't break the law, the police won't issue me with fines. And, on the odd occasion that I do break the law, I'm more than happy to add some money to consolidated revenue. Would you rather see people get away with it? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 13th, 2018 at 7:59pm
There was this urban legend about an officer who manned a speed camera on some stretch of highway known for speedsters. One week, he had very few people caught for speeding along that stretch of road, much lower than usual. After a few shifts of not much, the officer packed it in early and headed back to the station. On his way around the corner, he spotted a child standing on the side of the road with a big sign. He thought perhaps the child was selling something. The officer turned the van around and went back to see what was happening.
As he approached the child near the side of the road, the sign read in big block letters "SPEED CAMERA AHEAD". The officer passed the child, aware of the fact that he could not do much other than caution the child or perhaps notify the parents. He drove on to get that turn off he had before. As he neared his turn, he saw another child down the road further. He abandoned his turn off and continued down the road to the child also carrying a sign. The sign said in big block letters "TIPS!". Beside the child was this bucket filled with $1 and $2 coins. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:03pm Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:15am:
The police union says the cameras don't save lives, the politicians have lied to us they use it for revenue raising. The lefties in this forum are ok with politicians lying to us about speed cameras they like seeing people fleeced when there is no evidence these cameras save lives. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:05pm Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:03pm:
Good. What do you have against revenue? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:09pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:05pm:
Nobody cares what you think little pecca we all know you lied and reneged on your bet with Bias, when are you going to be a man and honour your bet and piss off from this forum? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:12pm If you find it too hard to obey the law, hand in your licence. Simples! Leave the road to us adults. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bobby on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:12pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 6:20pm:
Hi Greggy, should this guy get a ticket? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8-nhoQmHeY |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Captain Caveman on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:57pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 5:53pm:
You certainly are just one of them really anoying people in life aren't you? Never any fun...always got your goody two shoes on. Wouldn't know real life if it smaked ya in the mouth. Or you're a liar and just trolling this forum for bites cause dude, whatever the fkk you are, no one lives like you post on here....no one. You're against everything. To much soap opera television or something. :D |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:27am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:12pm:
Hey moron! Have you not read the posts? Do you not comprehend? Are you so thick that you just cannot understand? It matters not that you obey the law. The $cameras are set up to trick you. They are inaccurate, wildly so. They do not save lives The mob that runs the speed camera cars was kicked out of the USA for diddling the devices to get more revenue. Do you honestly believe that they are not doing the same thing here? And without honest, open and transparent policies in place, we will not be able to ever find out or prove it. The whole thing is simply a scam. You can and will (if you drive anything other than a dinky) be booked for speeding. Then the system ACTIVELY PREVENTS YOU FROM PROVING YOU WASN'T. They will not allow you access to the records of calibration. They refuse to provide the proof of accuracy. There is a calculation required of ALL calibrated equipment called the ESTIMATE OF UNCERTANTY. This gives you an estimate of uncertainty of a piece of equipment based on all possible factors affecting the equipment capability. They will not even entertain allowing any of this data out, if they have even done it. ACA tried to access this data through FOI laws and were refused. If an individual tries they require you to 1 pay a non refundable fee for them to work out how much it will cost. 2 then pay a non refundable fee for accessing said data. These fees are substantial, it ACA's case , over $50,000. And then they refused to allow the data to be sourced. WHAT ARE THEY HIDING? The whole thing is as crooked as a dogs hind leg And idiooots like you allow them to get away with it. Wake up FOOL. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:14am Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:57pm:
You think breaking the law is fun? Dear oh dear ::) |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bobby on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:18am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:14am:
Now Greggy's an apologist for fake speed camera tickets. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:47am Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:03pm:
The question is two fold, fixed cameras really only slow down people leading up to the camera so I see no safety value in them whatsoever. Mobile cameras maybe slow down a lot of people but where I live I know all the spots they set up on so again they are pseudo mobile so they might get many to slow down. At best a speed camera might have a marginal effect on safety. There are better ways to improve safety, build better roads, make better drivers, police other bad driving habits ..... more visible police ........ to me the police look lazy ! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:52am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 8:05pm:
The police are there to protect society not fund themselves. But I do agree that you don't need to speed. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:27am Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:18am:
Don't speed = no ticket. Simples! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:20am Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:18am:
Answer me this, Booby: 1. How many times have you been given a ticket when you weren't speeding - once, twice, maybe three times? 2. How many times have you gone over the limit, and not been given a ticket - hundreds of times; thousands? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bobby on Feb 14th, 2018 at 3:59pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 9:20am:
1. my last ticket a few years ago was for going 48 km/hr in a 40km/hr zone. I wasn't speeding as I knew that intersection was a trap so I looked at my speedo all the way through & it was dead on 40. I ended up paying as I knew I would never receive justice in a court & it would have multiplied my ticket by at least a factor 10 to contest it. I heard a story once of some guy who paid out about $30K in legal fees over a $300 ticket. Eventually he was proven innocent but still left with a massive legal bill. You can't fight the corrupt Govt. The courts protect their Govt. masters. There is no separation of powers. We are all prisoners of a crooked system that steals our money. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:12pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 3:59pm:
Have you ever gone over the speed limit and NOT been fined? I'm guessing the answer is "yes". How many times? I'm guessing the answer is "too many times to remember". ;) |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:15pm
I have challenged two speeding tickets. Lost both times. The first time, I did not put up much of a defence, and the judge increased the $200 fine to $225 + court costs. The second time, I put up a good defence. But because of technicalities of my defence, the judge ruled against me. The judge suggested I could appeal the decision, because I think he realised that the officer bringing in photos showing the 60kmh sign 100 metres before his patrol car, that I had a case. The judge raised my $200 fine to $300 and added court costs.
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bobby on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:20pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:12pm:
Just like you and everyone else - many times but not by much. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:20pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:12pm:
That is a good point. That was how I justified my first bogus ticket. But the second one I thought I was just being taken advantage. The 140kmh I did down a stretch of Yeppoon Road I figured was justified the bogus tickets I received for no reason. So, getting speeding tickets for no reason would also incite people to "revenge speed". |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bobby on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:20pm UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:15pm:
I feel sorry for you - you expected the system to be fair. They are criminals stealing our money. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:24pm
The first time, I figured that the court had to prove that I was speeding. Not that I was NOT speeding. The second court date, I was more ready. The fact that I was ruled against in light of a technicality meant that I had to fork out nearly $400 for no reason.
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bobby on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:39pm UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
It was literally highway robbery. You were robbed. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 14th, 2018 at 5:25pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:27am:
Tell that to the thousands of AMERICANS falsely booked by crooked operator. Tell that to the thousands of Australians also falsely booked, but unable to gain access to records to prove it. The system is crooked. There is even a rumor that speed cameras occasionally book drivers who are not speeding to ensure a continual flow of cash. I wouldn't put it past them. Look at the woman in Melbourne a few years ago. Booked at an impossible speed in her Datsun I think. ACA hired a professional driver to see if he could even achieve the speed she was booked at, he couldn't. The authorities persisted with their demands for their cash. Long story short They had to repay millions in fines, based on the camera in the box. The LIE here is that the camera simply takes pictures. It's the computer and software that was at fault. But to admit that would mean admitting that every single camera was faulty. Imagine having to pay back every fine? So they lied........again. You don't have to speed to get booked. If you ever left your mother's basement and drove a real car, instead of your Batman car on your computer, you would eventually be booked. You are a FOOL. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:14pm Valkie wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
1. How many times have you been given a ticket when you weren't speeding - once, twice, maybe three times? 2. How many times have you gone over the limit, and not been given a ticket - hundreds of times; thousands? Spare me the outrage, please ::) |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:20pm
Idiot.
How many times have you left your house? How many..................... No, must not mention multiple ............ Fool |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:23pm Valkie wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:20pm:
I've driven every day for nearly 40 years, and I can't ever remember being given a ticket for something I didn't do. Now: 1. How many times have you been given a ticket when you weren't speeding? 2. How many times have you gone over the limit, and not been given a ticket? Two very simple questions, which you seem to be struggling to answer. I wonder why that is. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:39pm
greggerypeccary
Your point is obvious, just about all of us speed at one point or another, unless your really stupid you generally don't get booked. So being booked incorrectly is not much of an issue unless its a really big fine like the Vic lady that was recorded at 156KPH in Datsun 120y. I was lucky the other day went through a construction zone marked at 60 at 75 .... there was a cop waiting on the side of the road obviously he was looking for the real speeders 75 on the speedo in GPS speed probably 65-70. I think the system is fair but I wish cops would look at all the other rules (non-speed related) that are far more dangerous if broken. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:45pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
Bravo. I'd like to see them concentrate a lot more on mobile phone use. WA’s deadly mobile phone addiction while driving "The number of fines issued has continued to rise since penalties for mobile phone offending were toughened in 2014, increased from a $250 fine to $400 and three demerit points." It's needs to be $1,000 and 6 demerit points. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Captain Caveman on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:50pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
Agreed. and get the twats walking along not watching where they're going too. Some of them run tou down...and huff and puff you when they do. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 15th, 2018 at 4:36am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:23pm:
Total idiot I have been driving over 40 years. I have been booked 3 times in my life Once legitimately, I was 7 k over the limit just after coming out of a higher speed zone. Once, and only once by a defective speed camera, which I attempted to challenge. I was not speeding, I was definitely not doing exactly 15k over the limit. Very convenient amount don't you think? This is how I know about the FOI scam and how the cameras operate. This is how I know how they work. This is how I found out all about these devices. I took it up with ACA who tried to gain access to the data mentioned and were refused under FOI law, illegally. The third time was for not stopping at a stop sign. I beat that quite simply with dash cam footage. I was stopped for a good 6 Seconds, but the cop was after the revenue. The illegality of the deliberately fictitious booking was never raised, apparently it's OK for cops to lie, but not us. And while the magistrate dismissed the booking and fine, he would not entertain the prosecution of the cop for lying. One of my fields of expertise is metrology (precision measurement) I am also a mechanical engineer with 12 years experience in electronic equipment (as used in military applications) This is why I get so frustrated with idiots who think they know what they have no conventional understanding of. Why I know the grubberment takes advantage of people who will not challenge them. Speed cameras were sold to the grubberment Not as a safety device, but as a revenue device. The grub that invented them was murdered by his own son for the money, karma is a bitch. The system is crooked, people need to wake up to this fact. Get a life fool |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 15th, 2018 at 6:25am Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:50pm:
Its an interesting topic as bluetoothing is pretty much legal yet studies suggest hands free is still distracting. 100 % agree anyone taking their eyes off the road for any reason is bad ! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by miketrees on Feb 15th, 2018 at 7:26am One of my fields of expertise is metrology (precision measurement) I am also a mechanical engineer with 12 years experience in electronic equipment (as used in military applications) This is why I get so frustrated with idiots who think they know what they have no conventional understanding of. Credit to you Valkie What do you think about GPSing every car on the road. I think it wont happen, because there would just be you and me left driving. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Captain Caveman on Feb 15th, 2018 at 7:45am Valkie wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 4:36am:
I remember a saying I saw years ago that said "stop stealing, the government hates competition" rings true to this day. Have you watched all the Romley Stewart videos? He has some very insightful information that...well....we will never be told unless we do as he did and research for ourselves. If you haven't seen them then have a look. Well worth it. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Stig on Feb 15th, 2018 at 7:51am
And then there's the evidence that our nanny-statist governments obsession with speed is actually dangerous. But who cares, they've got quotas to make.
It$ all about $afety. http://www.caradvice.com.au/493600/strict-speed-limit-enforcement-may-hinder-road-safety-new-australian-study-finds/ Enforcing strict speed limits without leeway can distract drivers from hazard detection, and therefore may have a detrimental impact on road safety, an Australian study has found. As reported by the ABC, researchers from the University of Western Australia used a driving simulator to test whether reducing speed enforcement thresholds — principally what cameras that lack human discretion do — would impact a driver’s abilities. “We concluded that drivers’ mental and visual resources were being used up by paying extra attention to the speed monitoring task, and this was taking some of their attention away from the visual world around them when they were driving,” she said. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Captain Caveman on Feb 15th, 2018 at 7:56am
Speed doesn't kill. The impact does.
People still die in cars doing the correct speed. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by miketrees on Feb 15th, 2018 at 8:32am “We concluded that drivers’ mental and visual resources were being used up by paying extra attention to the speed monitoring task, and this was taking some of their attention away from the visual world around them when they were driving,” she said. I have long held that view |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 15th, 2018 at 9:46am Stig wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 7:51am:
The weakest "argument" I've ever heard. If looking at your dashboard is too difficult, hand in your licence - you don't belong on the road. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by miketrees on Feb 15th, 2018 at 12:00pm If looking at your dashboard is too difficult, hand in your licence - you don't belong on the road. Rely on common sense and a university study or listen to your narrow minded limp wristed cream puff throwing trolling. No contest |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 15th, 2018 at 12:04pm miketrees wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 12:00pm:
I rarely look at the speedo I have a rough idea what speed I am going by the engine noise. Maybe electric cars need to simulate petrol motor sounds. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 15th, 2018 at 12:07pm miketrees wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 12:00pm:
If you can't stop your vehicle going over the speed limit, hand in your licence. Catch the bus, and leave the roads to us adults. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 15th, 2018 at 12:11pm RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 12:04pm:
Ditto. An experienced driver can usually estimate their speed (within a few kms) without looking at the speedo. This "it's all too hard to watch the road, the speedo, and the signs all at once" argument is just ridiculous. If you have trouble multitasking behind the wheel, get off the road. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Stig on Feb 15th, 2018 at 12:27pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 9:46am:
Weakest counter I've ever heard. Funny how so-called human factors and attention are an integral part of cockpit design and airline safety these days (as one example), but when it comes to cars we are happy to throw it all away because, good lord, someone might go a few km/h over an arbitrary speed limit. Nope, why be a good driver and look down the road when you can spend your time monitoring a 50mm long needle for a few degrees of movement on your dashboard. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by RightSaidFred on Feb 15th, 2018 at 1:08pm Stig wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 12:27pm:
I think I can set up my car to beep when certain speed is reached. I also know that Volvo's can scan speed limit signs and warn you ..... sounds like you need such a device. You can download apps to your phone that can warn you based on true speed ! |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 15th, 2018 at 1:09pm Stig wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 12:27pm:
I have no trouble whatsoever keeping within the speed limit. If looking at your dashboard is too difficult, hand in your licence - you don't belong on the road. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Stig on Feb 15th, 2018 at 1:13pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 1:09pm:
No :P |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 15th, 2018 at 1:16pm Stig wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
Well, don't drive anywhere near me please. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by miketrees on Feb 15th, 2018 at 1:58pm Stig, this is just how pecker tries to get attention, just ignore him, her ,it. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 15th, 2018 at 2:03pm miketrees wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 1:58pm:
Try to focus. It's nothing to do with me, or attention. It's about people who shouldn't be on the road. If you find it so hard to remain within the speed limit ("Oh, I have to look at signs, and the road, and my speedo ... it's all too much"), you don't belong on the road. Hand in your licence and leave the driving to people who CAN concentrate. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 15th, 2018 at 7:08pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 1:09pm:
You must be sooooooo perfect. Or A liar And because you LIE sooooooooo much IE " I'll quit this forum if Trump wins" Which we all know you lied about I DONT BELIEVE YOU. Mr perfect.........not |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 15th, 2018 at 7:24pm Valkie wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
Nope. I just know how to drive. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 15th, 2018 at 7:34pm
Liar, liar, pants/ dress/Burka or rubber suit on fire.
We don't believe you liar |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bobby on Feb 15th, 2018 at 8:11pm Valkie wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
Greggy is getting like Walter Mitty, he reckons Chopper wouldn't have lasted 2 minutes alone in a room with him - Re: Chopper on tonight channel 9 - 9pm Reply #10 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 7:26pm http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1518340240/10 now he's the worlds best driver. What a load of dribble. Walter Mitty. The American Heritage Dictionary defines a Walter Mitty as "an ordinary often ineffectual person who indulges in fantastic daydreams of personal triumphs" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mitty |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 15th, 2018 at 8:23pm Valkie wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
If you find it too difficult to keep within the legal speed limit, get off the road. Pensioners get free public transport, so make use of that. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by miketrees on Feb 15th, 2018 at 8:44pm I had a parrot that repeats stuff like that, it was probably smarter though |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 15th, 2018 at 8:46pm miketrees wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
I'm guessing it could drive better than you. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:24am miketrees wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 8:44pm:
Undoubtedly smarter. And I'll bet it even knows it's gender. Peccamitty has a nice ring to it. It should change it's name Tell me peccamitty, have you ever done anything ILLEGAL? I'm interested. Have you ever done anything ILLEGAL on the road in all your years of driving? Never driven over the limit and not been caught. Never driven just a little drunk or drugged. Never crossed a white line Never parked illegally Never done nuffik wrong. And have you never done anything else illegally? Wasn't poofterism ILLEGAL in WA a few years ago? Wasn't that ILLEGAL. Tell me peccamitty we ear all interested. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:03pm Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:24am:
Gone all quiet peccamitty. Wassamatta, don't like your own used against you. We are all curious, answer the question. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Bobby on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:04pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 8:46pm:
Walter Mitty strikes again. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:06pm Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:24am:
Yep, sure have. And I copped the punishment without complaining. If you break the law, you have to accept the consequences. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:13pm
Now that we have established that.
Have you ever been busted for doing something you have not done? |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:16pm Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:13pm:
Yep. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:27pm
And you didn't fight it with every thing you had?
Or did you just roll over and take it? I'll never give up the fight for justice. I take every opportunity to educate people to the scam that is speed enforcement. I lobby politicians and every motoring body, but they have been castrated by the grubberment who refuse to give up the revenue and more importantly To admit that they are too incompetent, lazy and greedy to look at the real reasons and fix them. You can roll over and take it. But I refuse to. It is crooked and ILLEGAL |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:14pm Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 4:27pm:
I didn't roll over - I fought it, and won. However, if I do 80 in a 60 zone, I have no right to fight that - it's a clear breach of the law. So, I don't go over the speed limit. You should try it. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by Valkie on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:51pm
fool
Gweggymitty what Im saying is that the system is deliberately designed to book people who dont speed. and then prevents them obtaining evidence to prove otherwise. If they, and you, were honest, they would admit their technology is flawed and stop bull shiteing the public that its dangerous. They propagate the myth that 5 klm/hr will cause you to die. so the poor sods like yourself believe that if you stay under the speed limit you will live forever. Speed enforcement is a lie, and as the resident expert at lying you defend them. Not speeding will preclude you from being booked, if you drive enough the speed cameras will get you. Unless you are peccamitty who never gets caught, because he/ they/she/ them is perfect. Wake up fool, its people like you that allow the system to propagate. |
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Title: Re: Police union- speed cameras are revenue raisers Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 16th, 2018 at 6:10pm Valkie wrote on Feb 16th, 2018 at 5:51pm:
I've been on the road for nearly 40 years, and I've never been booked for speeding when I wasn't. Moreover, I've never met anyone who has. I'm sure it happens, but it ain't that common. And, as I've mentioned before, what about all those times you break the law and DON'T get booked? Swings and roundabouts, my rapidly aging friend. Swings and roundabouts. |
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