You support the following values:

1) Separation of Church and State;

2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it);

3) Equality for Women;

4) Equality for minorities;

5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence;

Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role.

You are an Australian citizen.

Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country.

You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British;

You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers.
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If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian.

That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

F#ck the day I would ever pledge loyalty to the Union Jack....Piss off you POME bastard!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 9:59pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D F#ck the day I would ever pledge loyalty to the Union Jack....Piss off you POME bastard!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

The Union Jack is on our flag, mate. You're not pledging to it means you're not Australian.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Don't forget the true Aussie culture of being for freedom FROM religion. Since religion is dying out in Australia, it seems appropriate that we go about our lives without religion interfering in how we live.

I happen to be a Republican. The only thing that would stop me from voting Australia to becoming a republic is the cost. Otherwise, we can do away with the royal family having one of them meddling in our affairs.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 10:14pm:

Don't forget the true Aussie culture of being for freedom FROM religion. Since religion is dying out in Australia, it seems appropriate that we go about our lives without religion interfering in how we live. I happen to be a Republican. The only thing that would stop me from voting Australia to becoming a republic is the cost. Otherwise, we can do away with the royal family having one of them meddling in our affairs. They don't interfere in our affairs.

You are Australian if time spent drinking beer
and playing pool with your mates is more important than time with your wife and kids.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 10:22pm:

You are Australian if time spent drinking beer and playing pool with your mates is more important than time with your wife and kids.

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Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 10:04pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:59pm: Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D F#ck the day I would ever pledge loyalty to the Union Jack....Piss off you POME bastard!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The Union Jack is on our flag, mate. You're not pledging to it means you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You are another of the many who do not understand what the present Australian flag means. The Hawaiian flag has a Union flag in the upper hoist too. Such symbolism does not imply loyalty to Britain or the monarch. The Union flag in ours, is inherited from Imperial times. It no longer fulfills that purpose. Since Australians ceased to be British subjects, (a fact you seem to ignore) the Union flag is purely a matter of tradition. The bottom line is that legislation and foreign policy stop here. Now don't start nit-picking about the Anzus treaty, because you'll just dig yourself in deeper.

Too many errors and assumptions there for this time of night... I'm watching a movie series.....

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 10:16pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 10:14pm: Don't forget the true Aussie culture of being for freedom FROM religion. Since religion is dying out in Australia, it seems appropriate that we go about our lives without religion interfering in how we live. I happen to be a Republican. The only thing that would stop me from voting Australia to becoming a republic is the cost. Otherwise, we can do away with the royal family having one of them meddling in our affairs. They don't interfere in our affairs.

I wish I could tell you stories, but I would not have the legal evidence to back up my argument. If an English person came to Australia and caused a major crime and then fled home, they can effectively use the power of the head of state to claim impunity, due to their English nationality. It is not like the successor to the Queen would not tell the Australian courts to "get stuffed" in their own way, seeing as the English are quite jingoistic.

Видна́ пти́ца по полёту.

A tree is known by its fruit....

Agree with Grap...
1. Speak write and understand Australian English.  Perhaps even have an understanding of "STRINE"

Agree with issuevoter...

The Australian Flag is not the Union Flag or Jack as you called it.  Like most heraldic symbols it tells a story.  At the core of modern Australia is Britain.  There is no denying that and being considered sane.  But we are also no longer considered British citizens.

2.  Australians should understand our history and recognise the flag as symbolic of them and their country.  (Certainly those who deface and burn the flag know intimately the message they are sending).

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian.

That may be your definition of an Australian but I'm sure if you asked 100 different people what their definition is you would get 100 different answers.

As far as I'm concerned as long as you are a permanent resident, you are an Australian. I don't go in for all these right wing nationalist restrictions on thoughts and opinions.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 10:04am:

Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That may be your definition of an Australian but I'm sure if you asked 100 different people what their definition is you would get 100 different answers. As far as I'm concerned as long as you are a permanent resident, you are an Australian. I don't go in for all these right wing nationalist restrictions on thoughts and opinions.

Really?
Wow who'd have thunk it Barnacle?

I'm betting you will get a rather large overlap of commonalities though... ;)

Grendel wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 7:56am:

1. Speak write and understand Australian English.

So if you are illiterate you can't be a citizen? Even if you are born here?
How about deaf people?
How about blind people?
What would be your definition of "Australian English"?
If I speak American English would I be banned from being a citizen?

You really are going to have to be more careful with your definition of the restrictions you want to make

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 11:19am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:56am: 1. Speak write and understand Australian English.  So if you are illiterate you can't be a citizen? Even if you are born here? How about deaf people? How about blind people? What would be your definition of "Australian English"? If I speak American English would I be banned from being a citizen? You really are going to have to be more careful with your definition of the restrictions you want to make

Yes.

If you say math instead of maths, you'll be deported.

Similarly, writing the date in mm/dd/yyyy format will see you put on a plane straight back to the US.

Seriously, though, it seems Grendel has no time for people with disabilities.

Flick Australia.

I am,  VICTORIAN

Jealous much?

I know it was just an accident of birth that my ancestors chose victoria 160 years ago, but I am bloody grateful they were such clever buggers.

Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture.

Not for patriotic reasons, just because we need to all be working together, to create the best future for our kids, and we need to share a culture to be able to do that.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 11:46am:

Flick Australia. I am,  VICTORIAN Jealous much? I know it was just an accident of birth that my ancestors chose victoria 160 years ago, but I am bloody grateful they were such clever buggers. Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. Not for patriotic reasons, just because we need to all be working together, to create the best future for our kids, and we need to share a culture to be able to do that.

you are now a members of the Islamphobias and racist rednecks  of ozpol mossy..

how dare you expect them to give up their culture and embrace ours....that is so anit...the average thinker on here..

if the ladies want to wear a burqua   whats wrong with that??????..

you are in for a shocking rollikin now moss....you should have kept that to yourself.. :(

out Sudanese chums were brought up waving baseball bats......we shouldnt expect them to give it up for a long while yet.... ::) ::)

cods wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Flick Australia. I am,  VICTORIAN Jealous much? I know it was just an accident of birth that my ancestors chose victoria 160 years ago, but I am bloody grateful they were such clever buggers. Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. Not for patriotic reasons, just because we need to all be working together, to create the best future for our kids, and we need to share a culture to be able to do that. you are now a members of the Islamphobias and racist rednecks  of ozpol mossy.. how dare you expect them to give up their culture and embrace ours....that is so anit...the average thinker on here.. if the ladies want to wear a burqua   whats wrong with that??????.. you are in for a shocking rollikin now moss....you should have kept that to yourself.. :( out Sudanese chums were brought up waving baseball bats......we shouldnt expect them to give it up for a long while yet.... ::) ::)

Exactly.

What is wrong with that?

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 11:19am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:56am: 1. Speak write and understand Australian English.  So if you are illiterate you can't be a citizen? Even if you are born here? How about deaf people? How about blind people? What would be your definition of "Australian English"? If I speak American English would I be banned from being a citizen? You really are going to have to be more careful with your definition of the restrictions you want to make

This 'logiic' slays me. Australia has citizens to the manor born who are unproductive or unemployable for a variety of reasons. Thus we should have no qualms importing unproductive/unemployable people from other countries. Did I miss something?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 1:29pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:19am: Grendel wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:56am: 1. Speak write and understand Australian English.  So if you are illiterate you can't be a citizen? Even if you are born here? How about deaf people? How about blind people? What would be your definition of "Australian English"? If I speak American English would I be banned from being a citizen? You really are going to have to be more careful with your definition of the restrictions you want to make This 'logiic' slays me. Australia has citizens to the manor born who are unproductive or unemployable for a variety of reasons. Thus we should have no qualms importing unproductive/unemployable people from other countries. Did I miss something?

Where did you get that from?
All I was saying is that Grendell is going to have to define his statement better otherwise it is completely unworkable in the real world.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 11:46am:

Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture.

And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists)
I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars.
Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture?

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 9:59pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D F#ck the day I would ever pledge loyalty to the Union Jack....Piss off you POME bastard!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

Australia is a multicultural country, so what kind of hyphenated Australian are you?

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 11:19am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:56am: 1. Speak write and understand Australian English.  So if you are illiterate you can't be a citizen? Even if you are born here? How about deaf people? How about blind people? What would be your definition of "Australian English"? If I speak American English would I be banned from being a citizen? You really are going to have to be more careful with your definition of the restrictions you want to make

Don't be a complete Goose all your life.... :D :D :D

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 4:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:59pm: Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D F#ck the day I would ever pledge loyalty to the Union Jack....Piss off you POME bastard!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] Australia is a multicultural country, so what kind of hyphenated Australian are you?

Actually it is NOT.
It is Multiracial.
Multicilturalism is a Settlement Policy.
You need to stop listening to cultural cringists like Bwian.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 3:17pm:

And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars.

Trouble is you globalist progressive experts are not experts at all

If you claim to know all about multiculturalism, how come you don't know that there is an "Australian" culture?

The Australian culture is clearly demonstrated in every episode of the ABC program "Back Roads"

But would you watch Back Roads? you probably would watch it, if only to work out how the Aussie culture could be destroyed in Rural Australia, to suit your "know it all" agenda

The Aussie culture has endured for a long time and ensured stability and peace in the bush and the last thing we need is the poisoning of our culture with ethnic violence, petulance or "superior" cultism

The big cities have been ruined by ethnic enclaves, we all know that, but we don't want that ridiculous way of life in Rural Australia, we're getting along quite well the way things are thank very much

The Australian culture in Rural Australia is a model to the rest of the world. It's peaceful, law abiding and co-operative within it's communities

It's not broke, therefore it doesn't need fixing   

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 3:17pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture?

Oh here we go more nonsense from the Multicullturalist elite...
You mean to say barnacle you cant name anything particularly Australian.
Funnily enough the rest of the world can.
What does that make you and your ilk. :D :D :D :D :D

Here's one for the Trolls gweggy and Barnacle...  why do Americans dub Australian movies into American English?

:D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Me be right...  you both be geese. ::) ::) ::)
Australians speak Australian English...
Sign language is in Australian sign....  etc...

Grendel wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 4:17pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 4:15pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:59pm: Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D F#ck the day I would ever pledge loyalty to the Union Jack....Piss off you POME bastard!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] Australia is a multicultural country, so what kind of hyphenated Australian are you? Actually it is NOT. It is Multiracial. Multicilturalism is a Settlement Policy. You need to stop listening to cultural cringists like Bwian.

Good thing you laughed when you said that, Pilgrim Augie ....  I love Blacks - they make great bullbar ornaments... never supported anything other than separation of church and state, I openly state repeatedly that I prefer people to say what they want to say so it can be subjected to public scrutiny, women have every legal right that men have and suffer nowhere in fact, wops wogs spicks gypos ethnos chinks mussos et al all enjoy the same rights as everyone else, and nowhere do I ever advocate violence or restriction on religious worship.  As for Mad Musso coffee shop jihadists etc, I recommend that all such be dumped out of a black chopper at dark midnight still in their preferred homeland and culture and left to fend for themselves - a very tolerant attitude given their claims to want to behead Australians....

Everything else you list I pass 100% except for a rather remote attachment to Her Maj as merely a figurehead, and not to the Union Jack in any way.

I'm certain Setanta is the same, and the rest as well that you named.

How many times can one person be wrong in one post, you whipper-snapper....???   ::)

Grendel wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 4:19pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:17pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture? Oh here we go more nonsense from the Multicullturalist elite... You mean to say barnacle you cant name anything particularly Australian. Funnily enough the rest of the world can. What does that make you and your ilk. :D :D :D :D :D

Oh...and what does the 'rest of the world' say, Grendel?

Neferti wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 4:49pm:

Why are you still posting at OzPol, Aussie? Anyone who, like you, who has claimed more "real names" than anyone else, allegedly finds that your so-called alleged "real" name is posted. How do we know it is your real name, you have claimed so many "real" names and have had people banned because of it. You have no place here, Aussie.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 3:17pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture?

You cannot seriously believe what you are suggesting. By this measure only robotic clones have a culture because they behave identically.

How do you recognise any culture? By signs of the most commonplace cliches and stereotypes?

And what does your 1925 Australian penny avatar signify? That you are an Uzbeg or Bolivian?

Grendel wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 4:17pm:

Actually it is NOT. It is Multiracial. Multicilturalism is a Settlement Policy. You need to stop listening to cultural cringists like Bwian.

I meant to say that since the post-WWII mass-immigration of over 200 different ethnicities and nationalities it has become necessary to specify what brand of Australian people are.

An obesity survey held in a Pacific Islander suburb of Sydney is going to produce a very different set of statistics than if a Chinese suburb has the same survey applied.

The term 'Australian' has very little meaning nowadays as to who is being identified and spoken about.

When school is let out at the end of the day in parts of Sydney the whole street becomes crowded with little girls wearing hijabs and talking Arabic to their mothers.

The quintessential 'Australian' of Chips Rafferty fame is a rapidly diminishing icon to Australia's pre-war demographic.

'Mohammed' is now a very common name in the Maternity Wards.

Ajax is a proud 'Greek-Australian'. He doesn't identify as 'an Australian' per se except when filling in forms.

Bertie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 5:23pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:17pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture? You cannot seriously believe what you are suggesting. By this measure only robotic clones have a culture because they behave identically. How do you recognise any culture? By signs of the most commonplace cliches and stereotypes?

I'm not the one who brought up Australian culture, mozzaok did.
I don't think anyone has actually described what Australian Culture is.
It just seems to be a useful euphemism to describe what tinted people arn't

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Augie.   I have never pledged allegiance to a foreign naval flag.   I have pledged my allegiance to the Australian flag.   There is a considerable difference between the two.   What a shame you don't recognise it.  Silly, silly, boy.    ::)

Union Jack flag:
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/eda8d4d4a53b463bac14ebde951de1c0/ajaxnetphoto-19th-may-2010-portsmouthengland-union-jack-flies-proudly-g306cg.jpg

Australian national flag:
https://www.theflagshop.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/u/australia-flag-std_1.jpg

Pledging allegiance does not preclude one, BTW, from advocating that it should be changed, if the Australian people agree to it being changed.   ::)

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 10:16pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 10:14pm: Don't forget the true Aussie culture of being for freedom FROM religion. Since religion is dying out in Australia, it seems appropriate that we go about our lives without religion interfering in how we live. I happen to be a Republican. The only thing that would stop me from voting Australia to becoming a republic is the cost. Otherwise, we can do away with the royal family having one of them meddling in our affairs. [quote] They don't interfere in our affairs.

Sure of that, Augie?  Who ultimately chooses the Governor-General?   Tsk, tsk.    ::)

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 5:36pm:

Bertie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:23pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:17pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture? You cannot seriously believe what you are suggesting. By this measure only robotic clones have a culture because they behave identically. How do you recognise any culture? By signs of the most commonplace cliches and stereotypes? I'm not the one who brought up Australian culture, mozzaok did. I don't think anyone has actually described what Australian Culture is. It just seems to be a useful euphemism to describe what tinted people arn't

Does any country have its own culture? Of course.
Does France have a culture? China? Vietnam, Indonesia, Argentina, Brazil, etc? Why question only Australia's culture? I don't see the logic.

http://www.animatedimages.org/data/media/71/animated-aeroplane-image-0051.gif...... oh, dearie me..... tsk, tsk..... another strand taken up in a bun fight...

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack  Australian Flag and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It wasn't/isn't correct.

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 10:04pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:59pm: Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D F#ck the day I would ever pledge loyalty to the Union Jack....Piss off you POME bastard!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The Union Jack is on our flag, mate. You're not pledging to it means you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Don't be ridiculous ... it's not our flag.

It has a place on our flag but the Union Jack proper like the British flag ... is not our flag & you know that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 12:24pm:

cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 12:23pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Flick Australia. I am,  VICTORIAN Jealous much? I know it was just an accident of birth that my ancestors chose victoria 160 years ago, but I am bloody grateful they were such clever buggers. Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. Not for patriotic reasons, just because we need to all be working together, to create the best future for our kids, and we need to share a culture to be able to do that. you are now a members of the Islamphobias and racist rednecks  of ozpol mossy.. how dare you expect them to give up their culture and embrace ours....that is so anit...the average thinker on here.. if the ladies want to wear a burqua   whats wrong with that??????.. you are in for a shocking rollikin now moss....you should have kept that to yourself.. :( out Sudanese chums were brought up waving baseball bats......we shouldnt expect them to give it up for a long while yet.... ::) ::) Exactly. What is wrong with that?

Refusing to lift it for Police Officers, Airport Security & Court Appearances is unacceptable.

Having it on for an ID or Drivers License photo is unacceptable.

Wake up to yourself you clown.  ::)

Gnads wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 6:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 12:24pm: cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 12:23pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Flick Australia. I am,  VICTORIAN Jealous much? I know it was just an accident of birth that my ancestors chose victoria 160 years ago, but I am bloody grateful they were such clever buggers. Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. Not for patriotic reasons, just because we need to all be working together, to create the best future for our kids, and we need to share a culture to be able to do that. you are now a members of the Islamphobias and racist rednecks  of ozpol mossy.. how dare you expect them to give up their culture and embrace ours....that is so anit...the average thinker on here.. if the ladies want to wear a burqua   whats wrong with that??????.. you are in for a shocking rollikin now moss....you should have kept that to yourself.. :( out Sudanese chums were brought up waving baseball bats......we shouldnt expect them to give it up for a long while yet.... ::) ::) Exactly. What is wrong with that? Refusing to lift it for Police Officers, Airport Security & Court Appearances is unacceptable. Having it on for an ID or Drivers License photo is unacceptable. Wake up to yourself you clown.  ::)

cods never said anything about that.

She said "if the ladies want to wear a burqua   whats wrong with that??????".

So, if women want to wear a burqa - and lift it when requested by police, and take it off for drivers license photos etc. - what IS wrong with that?

Nothing ... but it demonstrates their place as 2nd class people in Islamic culture.

I'm sure all you leftards think that's a good thing ey?

Gnads wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 6:49pm:

Nothing ... but it demonstrates their place as 2nd class people in Islamic culture. I'm sure all you leftards think that's a good thing ey?

Again, cods said "if the ladies want to wear a burqua whats wrong with that??????".

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 6:51pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 6:49pm: Nothing ... but it demonstrates their place as 2nd class people in Islamic culture. I'm sure all you leftards think that's a good thing ey? Again, cods said "if the ladies want to wear a burqua whats wrong with that??????".

What's the first word in my reply d1ckhead?

Bertie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 5:59pm:

Does any country have its own culture? Of course. Does France have a culture? China? Vietnam, Indonesia, Argentina, Brazil, etc? Why question only Australia's culture? I don't see the logic.

Their logic is: "The ends justifies the means" - Alinski

If globalist progressive radicals want multiculturalism, Alinski suggests they say things like: "What Australian culture?", to demean Aussies who prefer their Australian culture to be the main one and that everybody should learn it




Alinski's Rules for Radicals

(10) “do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral arguments.”

(11) Whatever your mission “goals must be phrased in terms like Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, or Of the Common Welfare or Pursuit of Happiness or Bread and Peace”.

Ethical considerations should not be allowed to interfere with success.

https://polizeros.com/2009/09/18/saul-alinsky-rules-for-radicals-means-vs-ends/



Watch Back Roads for informative insights into the Australian culture. "Canowindra the ballooning capital of Australia" is a good episode

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/programs/back-roads/

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 5:36pm:

Bertie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:23pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:17pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture? You cannot seriously believe what you are suggesting. By this measure only robotic clones have a culture because they behave identically. How do you recognise any culture? By signs of the most commonplace cliches and stereotypes? I'm not the one who brought up Australian culture, mozzaok did. I don't think anyone has actually described what Australian Culture is. It just seems to be a useful euphemism to describe what tinted people arn't

Tinted people?  how very karnal of you.
The topic is You are Australian if...
There are many benchmarks for that, culture is just one of them and culture has a great many aspects.
Perhaps you should educate yourself by reading Convict Creations a quick google will do you the world of good and save me lots of posts.

I always thought you were an Australian if you were born here or became an Australian citizen???

:-? :-? :-?

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

There are some good Australian related shows on the ABC...
Back Roads, Landline...

Burquas sunshine are not part of Australian culture or dress... it originated apparently in what is now called Pakistan.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 10:07pm:

I always thought you were an Australian if you were born here or became an Australian citizen??? :-? :-? :-? All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

Once more showing what a shallow thinker you are phil and that your constant use of argumentum ad verecundiam never helps your cause.

3.  Australian Egalitarianism...

http://www.convictcreations.com/culture/egalitarianism.html

Grendel wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 10:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 10:07pm: I always thought you were an Australian if you were born here or became an Australian citizen??? :-? :-? :-? All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860) Once more showing what a shallow thinker you are phil and that your constant use of argumentum ad verecundiam never helps your cause.

I don't have a cause dickhead!!!

:) :) :)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 5:42pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Augie.   I have never pledged allegiance to a foreign naval flag.   I have pledged my allegiance to the Australian flag.   There is a considerable difference between the two.   What a shame you don't recognise it.  Silly, silly, boy.

Really? So, the Union Jack being on our flag has no significance at all??


Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 5:47pm:

Sure of that, Augie?  Who ultimately chooses the Governor-General?   Tsk, tsk.

The Prime Minister does.

Gnads wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 6:32pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack  Australian Flag and country. So, what's that red cross on the canton of our flag? You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; Hold on, I thought we became a nation in 1901?? The stolen generation happened after that time. Are you trying on a path of historical revisionism?? You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It wasn't/isn't correct.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 10:07pm:

I always thought you were an Australian if you were born here or became an Australian citizen??? What about in 1901 when people born in Australia were British subjects. :-? :-? :-? All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

You are wrong about the flag Auggie...  many have explained why to you already so no need to keep going there.

As for phils contribution, well the less said the better.
bwian of course is trying to be tricky but is his normal disingenuous self.
The PM chooses the GG the Queen simply rubber stamps the Appointment.  Like I said he is being disingenuous.  He just loves creating strawmen.

Did you look at Convict Creations yet.  You might find that site very interesting.

Grendel wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 10:21pm:

3.  Australian Egalitarianism... http://www.convictcreations.com/culture/egalitarianism.html

Grendel wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 6:53am:

You are wrong about the flag Auggie...  many have explained why to you already so no need to keep going there. As for phils contribution, well the less said the better. bwian of course is trying to be tricky but is his normal disingenuous self. The PM chooses the GG the Queen simply rubber stamps the Appointment.  Like I said he is being disingenuous.  He just loves creating strawmen. Did you look at Convict Creations yet.  You might find that site very interesting.

Why....Because what I said was obvious and diminishes the bullshit arguments you are making that there is something other than citizenship that makes you Australian!!!

Phil wrote....

Quote:

I always thought you were an Australian if you were born here or became an Australian citizen???

Grendel thinks the comment above is somehow not relevant because.....Over to you dickhead???

:-? :-? :-?

Stilll nothing but flaming like the TROLL you are phil.
please go away.

Grendel wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 7:34am:

Stilll nothing but flaming like the TROLL you are phil. please go away.

Your standard response when you are called out for flaming....You don't like backing up your bullshit do you???

::) ::) ::)

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So being Australian is actually a British or loyal subject to colonial Britain.
Goodness me what a confused "nation".

:o :( ::)

Lol got it arse about eh phil...  typical.
I've been over this crap many times already..  bwian gets shotdown regularly on just this point and did just the other day by several people not just me.
It aint rocket science phil.
let me try to put it simply for you...
being born here or having a certificate may make you AN Australian but it doesn't make you Australian.
hope that clears things up for you.

ps.  If I was trolling and flaming YOU phil, I would be rude and discourteous and call you dickhead etc like you do me ...  all the time.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 10:22pm:

You are Australian if time spent drinking beer and playing pool with your mates is more important than time with your wife and kids.

I guess this is an essential definition of Australian culture.
Everything else is still British.

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 10:04pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:59pm: Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D F#ck the day I would ever pledge loyalty to the Union Jack....Piss off you POME bastard!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The Union Jack is on our flag, mate. You're not pledging to it means you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sorry mate you sound more as a Closet Pom than Australian.

Auggie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 11:43pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 6:32pm: Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack  Australian Flag and country. So, what's that red cross on the canton of our flag? You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; Hold on, I thought we became a nation in 1901?? The stolen generation happened after that time. Are you trying on a path of historical revisionism?? You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It wasn't/isn't correct.

The Union flag(a Jack is naval) is in the top left corner of our flag. The Southern cross constellation occupies from mid to left side & a 7 pointed star representing the number of states & territories sit below the Union flag.

The Stolen Generation is a furphy. Any atrocities carried out that fit the bill as being perpetrated by the British occurred before 1901. 

Lets compromise.

Future Australia

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/44248-1x1-700x700.jpg

Bertie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 5:59pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:36pm: Bertie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:23pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:17pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture? You cannot seriously believe what you are suggesting. By this measure only robotic clones have a culture because they behave identically. How do you recognise any culture? By signs of the most commonplace cliches and stereotypes? I'm not the one who brought up Australian culture, mozzaok did. I don't think anyone has actually described what Australian Culture is. It just seems to be a useful euphemism to describe what tinted people arn't Does any country have its own culture? Of course. Does France have a culture? China? Vietnam, Indonesia, Argentina, Brazil, etc? Why question only Australia's culture? I don't see the logic.

There is a logic. Because you don't know what a culture is.
You don't have a culture because you expelled and hated the best Art critic ever Robert Hughes, then you expelled and hated painter like Geffry Smart and son and so on.
You don't need a culture you have a Bear and Barbie that's enough to be cultured for you.

Grendel wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 8:45am:

Lol got it arse about eh phil...  typical. I've been over this crap many times already..  bwian gets shotdown regularly on just this point and did just the other day by several people not just me. It aint rocket science phil. let me try to put it simply for you... being born here or having a certificate may make you AN Australian but it doesn't make you Australian. hope that clears things up for you. ps.  If I was trolling and flaming YOU phil, I would be rude and discourteous and call you dickhead etc like you do me ...  all the time.

I disagree and so does the law....Who sets these values that you claim makes you an Australian???

:-? :-? :-?

capitosinora wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 8:54am:

Lets compromise. Future Australia http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/44248-1x1-700x700.jpg

as long as they are contributing members of society not oppressed by their own culture or religion.... there's more to these issues than just being different..... we have rules here..... and those rules most often are to the benefit of those in that photo.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 9:42am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:45am: Lol got it arse about eh phil...  typical. I've been over this crap many times already..  bwian gets shotdown regularly on just this point and did just the other day by several people not just me. It aint rocket science phil. let me try to put it simply for you... being born here or having a certificate may make you AN Australian but it doesn't make you Australian. hope that clears things up for you. ps.  If I was trolling and flaming YOU phil, I would be rude and discourteous and call you dickhead etc like you do me ...  all the time. I disagree and so does the law....Who sets these values that you claim makes you an Australian??? :-? :-? :-?

First you are accepted as an Apprentice Australian, then you have to learn the ropes... those ropes are called assimilation..... failure to apply yourself diligently and pass the tests makes you an apprentice for life or a failed Australian..... pretty simple really.

capitosinora wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 9:08am:

Bertie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:59pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:36pm: Bertie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:23pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:17pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture? You cannot seriously believe what you are suggesting. By this measure only robotic clones have a culture because they behave identically. How do you recognise any culture? By signs of the most commonplace cliches and stereotypes? I'm not the one who brought up Australian culture, mozzaok did. I don't think anyone has actually described what Australian Culture is. It just seems to be a useful euphemism to describe what tinted people arn't Does any country have its own culture? Of course. Does France have a culture? China? Vietnam, Indonesia, Argentina, Brazil, etc? Why question only Australia's culture? I don't see the logic. There is a logic. Because you don't know what a culture is. You don't have a culture because you expelled and hated the best Art critic ever Robert Hughes, then you expelled and hated painter like Geffry Smart and son and so on. You don't need a culture you have a Bear and Barbie that's enough to be cultured for you.

And what culture do you Septics have?

You're a nation of immigrants as well. ::)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 9:44am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:42am: Grendel wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:45am: Lol got it arse about eh phil...  typical. I've been over this crap many times already..  bwian gets shotdown regularly on just this point and did just the other day by several people not just me. It aint rocket science phil. let me try to put it simply for you... being born here or having a certificate may make you AN Australian but it doesn't make you Australian. hope that clears things up for you. ps.  If I was trolling and flaming YOU phil, I would be rude and discourteous and call you dickhead etc like you do me ...  all the time. I disagree and so does the law....Who sets these values that you claim makes you an Australian??? :-? :-? :-? First you are accepted as an Apprentice Australian, then you have to learn the ropes... those ropes are called assimilation..... failure to apply yourself diligently and pass the tests makes you an apprentice for life or a failed Australian..... pretty simple really.

I was a citizen at birth....I didn't have to pass a test or be an apprentice to gain that right....Anyone who wants citizenship who were not born here must do a citizenship test....What else do you require to be an Australia according to YOU???

:-? :-? :-?

you can do this

---

Gnads wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 9:52am:

capitosinora wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:08am: Bertie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:59pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:36pm: Bertie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:23pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:17pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture? You cannot seriously believe what you are suggesting. By this measure only robotic clones have a culture because they behave identically. How do you recognise any culture? By signs of the most commonplace cliches and stereotypes? I'm not the one who brought up Australian culture, mozzaok did. I don't think anyone has actually described what Australian Culture is. It just seems to be a useful euphemism to describe what tinted people arn't Does any country have its own culture? Of course. Does France have a culture? China? Vietnam, Indonesia, Argentina, Brazil, etc? Why question only Australia's culture? I don't see the logic. There is a logic. Because you don't know what a culture is. You don't have a culture because you expelled and hated the best Art critic ever Robert Hughes, then you expelled and hated painter like Geffry Smart and son and so on. You don't need a culture you have a Bear and Barbie that's enough to be cultured for you. And what culture do you Septics have? You're a nation of immigrants as well. ::)

That the point we are the nation with developed national and cultural identity because we got rid of British colonial rule what you haven't done yet and that's why you are still a negligible  British colony without own head of state and even own flag with "Small dog syndrome" or "Small puppet syndrome"? The great intellectual who was expelled from Australia and lived in US for more than 50 years wrote about his "country" of birth: "Australia is spaciously huge, culturally tiny and politically insignificant".

You still celebrate British Queen and British flag, British princesses and so on and as long as you do that you will remain a colony without national and cultural identity.
By the way in US we are all Americans and don't have closet poms as British nationalists.

capitosinora wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 10:11am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:52am: capitosinora wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:08am: Bertie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:59pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:36pm: Bertie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:23pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:17pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture? You cannot seriously believe what you are suggesting. By this measure only robotic clones have a culture because they behave identically. How do you recognise any culture? By signs of the most commonplace cliches and stereotypes? I'm not the one who brought up Australian culture, mozzaok did. I don't think anyone has actually described what Australian Culture is. It just seems to be a useful euphemism to describe what tinted people arn't Does any country have its own culture? Of course. Does France have a culture? China? Vietnam, Indonesia, Argentina, Brazil, etc? Why question only Australia's culture? I don't see the logic. There is a logic. Because you don't know what a culture is. You don't have a culture because you expelled and hated the best Art critic ever Robert Hughes, then you expelled and hated painter like Geffry Smart and son and so on. You don't need a culture you have a Bear and Barbie that's enough to be cultured for you. And what culture do you Septics have? You're a nation of immigrants as well. ::) That the point we are the nation with developed national and cultural identity because we got rid of British colonial rule what you haven't done yet and that's why you are still a negligible  British colony without own head of state and even own flag with "Small dog syndrome" or "Small puppet syndrome"? The great intellectual who was expelled from Australia and lived in US for more than 50 years wrote about his "country" of birth: "Australia is spaciously huge, culturally tiny and politically insignificant". You still celebrate British Queen and British flag, British princesses and so on and as long as you do that you will remain a colony without national and cultural identity. By the way in US we are all Americans and don't have closet poms as British nationalists.

That's what you think.

And as usual you display the typical "so full of yourself" septic personna.

You have nothing to be proud of as to breaking free of British Colonial rule. You live in a dog eat dog cultutre & where your politicians either get assassinated by or are bought by the ruling elite who really run your country.

Your Presidents are just puppets.

Oh did I mention your tendency to be hypocrites? ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 10:06am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:44am: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:42am: Grendel wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:45am: Lol got it arse about eh phil...  typical. I've been over this crap many times already..  bwian gets shotdown regularly on just this point and did just the other day by several people not just me. It aint rocket science phil. let me try to put it simply for you... being born here or having a certificate may make you AN Australian but it doesn't make you Australian. hope that clears things up for you. ps.  If I was trolling and flaming YOU phil, I would be rude and discourteous and call you dickhead etc like you do me ...  all the time. I disagree and so does the law....Who sets these values that you claim makes you an Australian??? :-? :-? :-? First you are accepted as an Apprentice Australian, then you have to learn the ropes... those ropes are called assimilation..... failure to apply yourself diligently and pass the tests makes you an apprentice for life or a failed Australian..... pretty simple really. I was a citizen at birth....I didn't have to pass a test or be an apprentice to gain that right....Anyone who wants citizenship who were not born here must do a citizenship test....What else do you require to be an Australia according to YOU??? :-? :-? :-?

Ego-centrist...

......we're talking about imported wops etc.... snickers, spicks, wogs, dagoes, Musos, Lebos .. especially spicks....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 11:07am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 10:06am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:44am: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:42am: Grendel wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:45am: Lol got it arse about eh phil...  typical. I've been over this crap many times already..  bwian gets shotdown regularly on just this point and did just the other day by several people not just me. It aint rocket science phil. let me try to put it simply for you... being born here or having a certificate may make you AN Australian but it doesn't make you Australian. hope that clears things up for you. ps.  If I was trolling and flaming YOU phil, I would be rude and discourteous and call you dickhead etc like you do me ...  all the time. I disagree and so does the law....Who sets these values that you claim makes you an Australian??? :-? :-? :-? First you are accepted as an Apprentice Australian, then you have to learn the ropes... those ropes are called assimilation..... failure to apply yourself diligently and pass the tests makes you an apprentice for life or a failed Australian..... pretty simple really. I was a citizen at birth....I didn't have to pass a test or be an apprentice to gain that right....Anyone who wants citizenship who were not born here must do a citizenship test....What else do you require to be an Australia according to YOU??? :-? :-? :-? Ego-centrist... ......we're talking about imported wops etc.... snickers, spicks, wogs, dagoes, Musos, Lebos .. especially spicks....

You did not answer my question???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 10:07pm:

I always thought you were an Australian if you were born here or became an Australian citizen??? :-? :-? :-?

Good LORD, no!

WE have babies born here who will grow up in Third World homes who will always look to China or India or the Middle East as their Mother Country. Some born here even try to bomb us because they don't identify as Australian.

And those Citizen Ceremonies are a joke. You don't need to make a single concession to core Australian culture values in order to be accepted for residency.

Gnads wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 10:39am:

That's what you think. And as usual you display the typical "so full of yourself" septic personna. You have nothing to be proud of as to breaking free of British Colonial rule. You live in a dog eat dog cultutre & where your politicians either get assassinated by or are bought by the ruling elite who really run your country. Your Presidents are just puppets. Oh did I mention your tendency to be hypocrites? ::)

Well said.

Scratch the surface of Hollywood hype about what a great country America is and what you can see there is a lot of ugliness.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 9:44am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:42am: Grendel wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:45am: Lol got it arse about eh phil...  typical. I've been over this crap many times already..  bwian gets shotdown regularly on just this point and did just the other day by several people not just me. It aint rocket science phil. let me try to put it simply for you... being born here or having a certificate may make you AN Australian but it doesn't make you Australian. hope that clears things up for you. ps.  If I was trolling and flaming YOU phil, I would be rude and discourteous and call you dickhead etc like you do me ...  all the time. I disagree and so does the law....Who sets these values that you claim makes you an Australian??? :-? :-? :-? First you are accepted as an Apprentice Australian, then you have to learn the ropes... those ropes are called assimilation..... failure to apply yourself diligently and pass the tests makes you an apprentice for life or a failed Australian..... pretty simple really.

In America we, with citizenship, are all Americans regardless of race or ethnic origin.
Of course in British colonies Anglos are considered as only "Thrue blue Aussies".

Gnads wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 10:39am:

capitosinora wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 10:11am: Gnads wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:52am: capitosinora wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:08am: Bertie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:59pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:36pm: Bertie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:23pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:17pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture? You cannot seriously believe what you are suggesting. By this measure only robotic clones have a culture because they behave identically. How do you recognise any culture? By signs of the most commonplace cliches and stereotypes? I'm not the one who brought up Australian culture, mozzaok did. I don't think anyone has actually described what Australian Culture is. It just seems to be a useful euphemism to describe what tinted people arn't Does any country have its own culture? Of course. Does France have a culture? China? Vietnam, Indonesia, Argentina, Brazil, etc? Why question only Australia's culture? I don't see the logic. There is a logic. Because you don't know what a culture is. You don't have a culture because you expelled and hated the best Art critic ever Robert Hughes, then you expelled and hated painter like Geffry Smart and son and so on. You don't need a culture you have a Bear and Barbie that's enough to be cultured for you. And what culture do you Septics have? You're a nation of immigrants as well. ::) That the point we are the nation with developed national and cultural identity because we got rid of British colonial rule what you haven't done yet and that's why you are still a negligible  British colony without own head of state and even own flag with "Small dog syndrome" or "Small puppet syndrome"? The great intellectual who was expelled from Australia and lived in US for more than 50 years wrote about his "country" of birth: "Australia is spaciously huge, culturally tiny and politically insignificant". You still celebrate British Queen and British flag, British princesses and so on and as long as you do that you will remain a colony without national and cultural identity. By the way in US we are all Americans and don't have closet poms as British nationalists. That's what you think. And as usual you display the typical "so full of yourself" septic personna. You have nothing to be proud of as to breaking free of British Colonial rule. You live in a dog eat dog cultutre & where your politicians either get assassinated by or are bought by the ruling elite who really run your country. Your Presidents are just puppets. Oh did I mention your tendency to be hypocrites? ::)

Anglosaxons are not privileged in America.

capitosinora wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 12:27pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:44am: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:42am: Grendel wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:45am: Lol got it arse about eh phil...  typical. I've been over this crap many times already..  bwian gets shotdown regularly on just this point and did just the other day by several people not just me. It aint rocket science phil. let me try to put it simply for you... being born here or having a certificate may make you AN Australian but it doesn't make you Australian. hope that clears things up for you. ps.  If I was trolling and flaming YOU phil, I would be rude and discourteous and call you dickhead etc like you do me ...  all the time. I disagree and so does the law....Who sets these values that you claim makes you an Australian??? :-? :-? :-? First you are accepted as an Apprentice Australian, then you have to learn the ropes... those ropes are called assimilation..... failure to apply yourself diligently and pass the tests makes you an apprentice for life or a failed Australian..... pretty simple really. In America we, with citizenship, are all Americans regardless of race or ethnic origin. Of course in British colonies Anglos are considered as only "Thrue blue Aussies".

Aussie isn't a race. It's a mindset. We have a cultural way of doing things.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 12:16pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 10:07pm: I always thought you were an Australian if you were born here or became an Australian citizen??? :-? :-? :-? Good LORD, no! WE have babies born here who will grow up in Third World homes who will always look to China or India or the Middle East as their Mother Country. Some born here even try to bomb us because they don't identify as Australian. And those Citizen Ceremonies are a joke. You don't need to make a single concession to core Australian culture values in order to be accepted for residency.

What about Abos, Wogs, Lebos, slopes who were born in Australia, are they also Aussies like Yobbos who yesterday came from Britain?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 12:19pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 10:39am: That's what you think. And as usual you display the typical "so full of yourself" septic personna. You have nothing to be proud of as to breaking free of British Colonial rule. You live in a dog eat dog cultutre & where your politicians either get assassinated by or are bought by the ruling elite who really run your country. Your Presidents are just puppets. Oh did I mention your tendency to be hypocrites? ::) Well said. Scratch the surface of Hollywood hype about what a great country America is and what you can see there is a lot of ugliness.

Nice, empty rhetorical, consolation for an inferior British queen colonial subject.

Aussie elite
https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8051/8137112420_b010e2a91c_b.jpg

capitosinora wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 12:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 12:16pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 10:07pm: I always thought you were an Australian if you were born here or became an Australian citizen??? :-? :-? :-? Good LORD, no! WE have babies born here who will grow up in Third World homes who will always look to China or India or the Middle East as their Mother Country. Some born here even try to bomb us because they don't identify as Australian. And those Citizen Ceremonies are a joke. You don't need to make a single concession to core Australian culture values in order to be accepted for residency. What about Abos, Wogs, Lebos, slopes who were born in Australia, are they also Aussies like Yobbos who yesterday came from Britain?

Don't forget the Khartoum Kaffirs and such.... the Kokonut Kaffirs.... you're being very discriminatory... and especially the spicks....

capitosinora wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 8:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 10:22pm: You are Australian if time spent drinking beer and playing pool with your mates is more important than time with your wife and kids. I guess this is an essential definition of Australian culture. Everything else is still British.

Suggested reading Convict Creations...

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 9:42am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:45am: Lol got it arse about eh phil...  typical. I've been over this crap many times already..  bwian gets shotdown regularly on just this point and did just the other day by several people not just me. It aint rocket science phil. let me try to put it simply for you... being born here or having a certificate may make you AN Australian but it doesn't make you Australian. hope that clears things up for you. ps.  If I was trolling and flaming YOU phil, I would be rude and discourteous and call you dickhead etc like you do me ...  all the time. I disagree and so does the law....Who sets these values that you claim makes you an Australian??? :-? :-? :-?

Disagree all you like...  YOU are still WRONG.
We are not specifying CITIZENSHIP here PHIL.
And I did explain it so well to you... :D :D :D

Quote:

You are Australian if....

You’re a human being that,

Laughs, cries, loves, likes, hates, enjoys having a good time, being happy, being sad, works hard, part of the community, takes holidays, hates politicians, mad about the footy (go pies), like a drink, hangs around with mates, has family and friends, has leisurely pursuits and interests and basically enjoys life.

And you’re happy that you and your family and friends live in the best country in the world………………………….Australia……………………..aussie aussie aussie oi oi oi………………. 8-)

Auggie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 11:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:42pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Augie.   I have never pledged allegiance to a foreign naval flag.   I have pledged my allegiance to the Australian flag.   There is a considerable difference between the two.   What a shame you don't recognise it.  Silly, silly, boy.    Really? So, the Union Jack being on our flag has no significance at all??

We do not have a Naval flag on our flag, Augie.   As I've said, when you learn the difference between the two, then we can talk.


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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:47pm: Sure of that, Augie?  Who ultimately chooses the Governor-General?   Tsk, tsk.    The Prime Minister does.

No, ultimately the Queen of the UK does.   She has to approve the Government's choice.  She can always refuse it.    ::)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 9:44am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:42am: Grendel wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:45am: Lol got it arse about eh phil...  typical. I've been over this crap many times already..  bwian gets shotdown regularly on just this point and did just the other day by several people not just me. It aint rocket science phil. let me try to put it simply for you... being born here or having a certificate may make you AN Australian but it doesn't make you Australian. hope that clears things up for you. ps.  If I was trolling and flaming YOU phil, I would be rude and discourteous and call you dickhead etc like you do me ...  all the time. I disagree and so does the law....Who sets these values that you claim makes you an Australian??? :-? :-? :-? First you are accepted as an Apprentice Australian, then you have to learn the ropes... those ropes are called assimilation..... failure to apply yourself diligently and pass the tests makes you an apprentice for life or a failed Australian..... pretty simple really.

Who sets the "tests", Graps?  How are the "tests" marked?  Who marks them?   Where are they conducted?

Sounds to me like you're setting arbitrary values to these "tests" which a native born Australian doesn't have to ever face.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Has she ever?  Has any Sovereign rejected a Government's selection?

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You're not tinted.

Aussie wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 4:15pm:

Has she ever?  Has any Sovereign rejected a Government's selection?

The Palace, on several occasions has questioned the Government's choice of GG.  Sir Isaac Isaacs when nominated the Palace asked if he was the best choice for the position.   He was Jewish and Australian.   Obviously, his religion was seen as an impediment.   Sir John Kerr acted illegally and when the PM attempted to have him dismissed, he had to appeal to the Palace to have it done.    ::)

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Sir John Kerr acted illegally and when the PM attempted to have him dismissed, he had to appeal to the Palace to have it done.

Over simplification there Mr Ross.  By then Kerr and dismissed Whitlam and appointed Frazer as PM.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 4:07pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:42pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Augie.   I have never pledged allegiance to a foreign naval flag.   I have pledged my allegiance to the Australian flag.   There is a considerable difference between the two.   What a shame you don't recognise it.  Silly, silly, boy.    Really? So, the Union Jack being on our flag has no significance at all?? We do not have a Naval flag on our flag, Augie.   As I've said, when you learn the difference between the two, then we can talk. Quote: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:47pm: Sure of that, Augie?  Who ultimately chooses the Governor-General?   Tsk, tsk.    The Prime Minister does. No, ultimately the Queen of the UK does.   She has to approve the Government's choice.  She can always refuse it.    ::)

LOL
Told you Auggie...  tricky and disingenuous.
When was the PMs choice ever refused by the Queen bwian?
We have a Constitutional Monarchy don't we bwian. :D

Aussie wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 4:42pm:

Quote: Sir John Kerr acted illegally and when the PM attempted to have him dismissed, he had to appeal to the Palace to have it done. Over simplification there Mr Ross.  By then Kerr and dismissed Whitlam and appointed Frazer as PM.

Kerr consulted others than the PM about what his options were.  Kerr did dismiss Whitlam but the process at which that was arrived as a decision was illegal.    ::)

Aussie wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 4:42pm:

Quote: Sir John Kerr acted illegally and when the PM attempted to have him dismissed, he had to appeal to the Palace to have it done. Over simplification there Mr Ross.  By then Kerr and dismissed Whitlam and appointed Frazer as PM.

Was it Kerr or his boss Queen. If Kerr did it without her approval why she didn't dismiss him?
But more or less the point is why she (or he) did it.

Grendel wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 1:49pm:

capitosinora wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:47am: Bobby. wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 10:22pm: You are Australian if time spent drinking beer and playing pool with your mates is more important than time with your wife and kids. I guess this is an essential definition of Australian culture. Everything else is still British. Suggested reading Convict Creations...

Well obviously convict creators are still in charge.

Just read the site you need the education.
Stop wasting my time when I'm trying to help you.

capitosinora wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 8:41am:

Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D So being Australian is actually a British or loyal subject to colonial Britain. Goodness me what a confused "nation". :o :( ::)

Not at all, Yankee. We are a self-governing Dominion under the crown of the U.K.  and proud of it. There are subtleties, Cap, which you fail to understand. As do most Australians.

Grendel wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 5:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:07pm: Auggie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:42pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Augie.   I have never pledged allegiance to a foreign naval flag.   I have pledged my allegiance to the Australian flag.   There is a considerable difference between the two.   What a shame you don't recognise it.  Silly, silly, boy.    Really? So, the Union Jack being on our flag has no significance at all?? We do not have a Naval flag on our flag, Augie.   As I've said, when you learn the difference between the two, then we can talk. Quote: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:47pm: Sure of that, Augie?  Who ultimately chooses the Governor-General?   Tsk, tsk.    The Prime Minister does. No, ultimately the Queen of the UK does.   She has to approve the Government's choice.  She can always refuse it.    ::) LOL Told you Auggie...  tricky and disingenuous. When was the PMs choice ever refused by the Queen bwian? We have a Constitutional Monarchy don't we bwian. :D

Tricky indeed. Brian can’t backpedal from this one. 

capitosinora wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 12:29pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 10:39am: capitosinora wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 10:11am: Gnads wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:52am: capitosinora wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:08am: Bertie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:59pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:36pm: Bertie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 5:23pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:17pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture? You cannot seriously believe what you are suggesting. By this measure only robotic clones have a culture because they behave identically. How do you recognise any culture? By signs of the most commonplace cliches and stereotypes? I'm not the one who brought up Australian culture, mozzaok did. I don't think anyone has actually described what Australian Culture is. It just seems to be a useful euphemism to describe what tinted people arn't Does any country have its own culture? Of course. Does France have a culture? China? Vietnam, Indonesia, Argentina, Brazil, etc? Why question only Australia's culture? I don't see the logic. There is a logic. Because you don't know what a culture is. You don't have a culture because you expelled and hated the best Art critic ever Robert Hughes, then you expelled and hated painter like Geffry Smart and son and so on. You don't need a culture you have a Bear and Barbie that's enough to be cultured for you. And what culture do you Septics have? You're a nation of immigrants as well. ::) That the point we are the nation with developed national and cultural identity because we got rid of British colonial rule what you haven't done yet and that's why you are still a negligible  British colony without own head of state and even own flag with "Small dog syndrome" or "Small puppet syndrome"? The great intellectual who was expelled from Australia and lived in US for more than 50 years wrote about his "country" of birth: "Australia is spaciously huge, culturally tiny and politically insignificant". You still celebrate British Queen and British flag, British princesses and so on and as long as you do that you will remain a colony without national and cultural identity. By the way in US we are all Americans and don't have closet poms as British nationalists. That's what you think. And as usual you display the typical "so full of yourself" septic personna. You have nothing to be proud of as to breaking free of British Colonial rule. You live in a dog eat dog cultutre & where your politicians either get assassinated by or are bought by the ruling elite who really run your country. Your Presidents are just puppets. Oh did I mention your tendency to be hypocrites? ::) Anglosaxons are not privileged in America.

BS .. your Affirmative Action/Black Lives Matter/ African American Associations, Rev Al Sharpton, Michelle Obama & even Oprah Winfrey & certain other black celebrities all bang on about "white"Anglo-saxon privilege in the US.

Australian Egalitarianism....
Australians have a well developed sense of what is known as the Tall Poppy Syndrome.  Unlike other cultures like that of the US where celebrity is worshipped, Australians favour the more humble, the more even handed, level headed.  The Quiet Achievers. Stick your head above the parapet and blow your own horn, big noting yourself etc is frowned upon.  Australians will quickly bring you back down to Earth. The origins of this behaviour can be traced back to the convict past where when creating the new society the British class system and airs and graces were frowned upon and eschewed.
Australians still recognise achievement and success, just don't try to lord it over others.

Other references...  Tall-poppy Syndrome

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Exactly what the tall-poppy syndrome refers to has been a subject of debate. What can’t be debated is that anyone who seems to demonstrate that they are superior to others will probably be attacked. For example, someone who drives a Mercedes to show their wealth will probably find that their car frequently gets scratched. Someone who boasts about their achievements will frequently find themselves subjected to cynical or sarcastic remarks. Any politician that tries to portray themselves as more moral than others will find people on the lookout for skeletons in their closet.

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The tall poppy syndrome (TPS) is a pejorative term primarily used in the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand and other Anglosphere nations to describe a social phenomenon in which people of genuine merit are resented, attacked, cut down, or criticised because their talents or achievements elevate them above or distinguish them from their peers. Australia and New Zealand’s usage of the term has evolved and is not uniformly negative. In Australia, a long history of “underdog” culture and profound respect for humility in contrast to that of Australia’s English feudal heritage results in a different understanding of “Tall poppy syndrome”.

Grendel wrote on Jan 12^th, 2018 at 9:14am:

Australian Egalitarianism.... Australians have a well developed sense of what is known as the Tall Poppy Syndrome.  Unlike other cultures like that of the US where celebrity is worshipped, Australians favour the more humble, the more even handed, level headed.  The Quiet Achievers. Stick your head above the parapet and blow your own whistle, big noting yourself etc is frowned upon.  Australians will quickly bring you back down to Earth. The origins of this behaviour can be traced back to the convict past where when creating the new society the British class system and airs and graces were frowned upon and eschewed. Australians still recognise achievement and success, just don't try to lord it over other. Other references...  Tall-poppy Syndrome Quote: Exactly what the tall-poppy syndrome refers to has been a subject of debate. What can’t be debated is that anyone who seems to demonstrate that they are superior to others will probably be attacked. For example, someone who drives a Mercedes to show their wealth will probably find that their car frequently gets scratched. Someone who boasts about their achievements will frequently find themselves subjected to cynical or sarcastic remarks. Any politician that tries to portray themselves as more moral than others will find people on the lookout for skeletons in their closet. [quote]The tall poppy syndrome (TPS) is a pejorative term primarily used in the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand and other Anglosphere nations to describe a social phenomenon in which people of genuine merit are resented, attacked, cut down, or criticised because their talents or achievements elevate them above or distinguish them from their peers. Australia and New Zealand’s usage of the term has evolved and is not uniformly negative. In Australia, a long history of “underdog” culture and profound respect for humility in contrast to that of Australia’s English feudal heritage results in a different understanding of “Tall poppy syndrome”.

[/quote]

Yep about right.

Nearly all Tall Poppys in the US

hard to find a Shrinking Violet over there. ;D ;)

https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2011/june/1309413051/lindsay-tanner/comment

The official historical table for Commonwealth debt published by Treasury shows that the Australian government had zero net debt throughout the time Whitlam was in office.

"Whitlam and his government changed the way we think about ourselves. The curse of sleepy mediocrity and colonial dependency, so mercilessly flayed in 1964 by Donald Horne in The Lucky Country, was cast aside. Outdated social attitudes were brutally confronted. The tribal conservatism of the ’50s that had been slowly eroded by prolonged prosperity was unable to withstand this concerted assault. The Australia in which Indigenous people were seen as subhuman, women were second-class citizens, censorship of artistic work was commonplace, nature was solely for exploitation, electoral laws were rigged and community leaders were rewarded with knighthoods was relegated to the history books.

Whitlam has described his government’s transformation of education as its “most enduring single achievement”. As one of the first group of students who benefited from the abolition of university fees and the creation of the Tertiary Education Assistance Scheme, I am tempted to agree. Australia’s education system, long geared to a world of physical labour and limited learning, had not kept pace with changes in the production process and society.

The official historical table for Commonwealth debt published by Treasury shows that the Australian government had zero net debt throughout the time Whitlam was in office.

What a load of dribble... and hardly relevant to the actual topic.

You want to actually learn something on topic...  go to Convict Creations sheesh how many times must you be told.

Wassup?
can't google?

as for the Monthly...  home of david marr...  says it all actually re its politics and credibility.
oh and if you wanted to post something politically accurate and without bias...  Lindsay Tanner is not the place to go. :D

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 4:29pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You're not tinted.

I am actually, Karnal. I'm tinted. You?

"You're a better man than I am, Gangadeep..."

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 4:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:15pm: Has she ever?  Has any Sovereign rejected a Government's selection? The Palace, on several occasions has questioned the Government's choice of GG.  Sir Isaac Isaacs when nominated the Palace asked if he was the best choice for the position.   He was Jewish and Australian.   Obviously, his religion was seen as an impediment.   Sir John Kerr acted illegally and when the PM attempted to have him dismissed, he had to appeal to the Palace to have it done.    ::)

See???  You ARE lying.

Auggie wrote on Jan 12^th, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:29pm: Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You're not tinted. I am actually, Karnal. I'm tinted. You? "You're a better man than I am, Gangadeep..."

Well, that explains a lot.   It's  Gunga Din, Gangadeep.... ::) ::)

I suppose you want 10 rupee gimme, too....  Paki!! give him the tenner I gave you.

In fact...
Sir John Kerr's course of action was judged constitutional by Sir Garfield Barwick and Sir Anthony Mason.

Grendel wrote on Jan 12^th, 2018 at 8:55pm:

In fact... Sir John Kerr's course of action was judged constitutional by Sir Garfield Barwick and Sir Anthony Mason.

Oooh, but Bwian knows best, don't you know???

Such Bwianophobia, tsk, tsk  ::) ::)

Western civilisation must be asserted against Islam at very opportunity. Like a dam, it must be constantly fortified and it must not be allowed to be eroded by the steady and relentless pressure of Islam.

Frank wrote on Jan 12^th, 2018 at 8:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:37pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:15pm: Has she ever?  Has any Sovereign rejected a Government's selection? The Palace, on several occasions has questioned the Government's choice of GG.  Sir Isaac Isaacs when nominated the Palace asked if he was the best choice for the position.   He was Jewish and Australian.   Obviously, his religion was seen as an impediment.   Sir John Kerr acted illegally and when the PM attempted to have him dismissed, he had to appeal to the Palace to have it done.    ::) See???  You ARE lying.

Prove it, Soren.   Otherwise, you're just bullshitting as usual.  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

The facts of the Whitlam dismissal are more important than ever

Malcolm Fraser delivers proof John Kerr lied over the dismissal

Sir John Kerr's obsessive side and the secret ANU discussions before the dismissal

Auggie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 9:17pm:

You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Seems I'm almost an Australian... I'll try harder to have loyalty to the queen, I promise. :-/

Oh dear bwian the hypocrite lying again.
Come on bwian you made the claim of illegality...  according to your standards its up to you to prove it.
What laws were broken and when was Kerr charged or arrested?

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 12:16am:

Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 8:49pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:37pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:15pm: Has she ever?  Has any Sovereign rejected a Government's selection? The Palace, on several occasions has questioned the Government's choice of GG.  Sir Isaac Isaacs when nominated the Palace asked if he was the best choice for the position.   He was Jewish and Australian.   Obviously, his religion was seen as an impediment.   Sir John Kerr acted illegally and when the PM attempted to have him dismissed, he had to appeal to the Palace to have it done.    ::) See???  You ARE lying. Prove it, Soren.   Otherwise, you're just bullshitting as usual.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) The facts of the Whitlam dismissal are more important than ever Malcolm Fraser delivers proof John Kerr lied over the dismissal Sir John Kerr's obsessive side and the secret ANU discussions before the dismissal

Kerr did not act illegally. That the Crown, the High Court, Parliament and the States would have gone along with an illegal act by the GG is a  ludicrous lie, Bwian, so you ARE an outrageous liar. Too stupid.

... You like Danish.

As every schoolboy knows.

Setanta wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 1:56am:

Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Seems I'm almost an Australian... I'll try harder to have loyalty to the queen, I promise. :-/

I doubt she gives a damn what you do  anyway..

Frank wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 10:51am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 12:16am: Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 8:49pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:37pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:15pm: Has she ever?  Has any Sovereign rejected a Government's selection? The Palace, on several occasions has questioned the Government's choice of GG.  Sir Isaac Isaacs when nominated the Palace asked if he was the best choice for the position.   He was Jewish and Australian.   Obviously, his religion was seen as an impediment.   Sir John Kerr acted illegally and when the PM attempted to have him dismissed, he had to appeal to the Palace to have it done.    ::) See???  You ARE lying. Prove it, Soren.   Otherwise, you're just bullshitting as usual.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) The facts of the Whitlam dismissal are more important than ever Malcolm Fraser delivers proof John Kerr lied over the dismissal Sir John Kerr's obsessive side and the secret ANU discussions before the dismissal Kerr did not act illegally. That the Crown, the High Court, Parliament and the States would have gone along with an illegal act by the GG is a  ludicrous lie, Bwian, so you ARE an outrageous liar. Too stupid.

Maybe not illegal strictly speaking - but certainly stupid and undemocratic.

But CONSTITUTIONAL...
now can we get back on topic...
bwian can start his own topic to lie in. ::)

cods wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 11:17am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 1:56am: Auggie wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 9:17pm: You support the following values: 1) Separation of Church and State; 2) Freedom of Speech (the narrowest interpretation of it); 3) Equality for Women; 4) Equality for minorities; 5) Freedom to practise your religion without fear of violence; Australia culture is your core culture, with your ethnic background taking a peripheral role. You are an Australian citizen. Your loyalty is to the Queen, Union Jack and country. You believe that the Indigenous peoples of the Australian continent have been wronged by BOTH Australian government and the British; You support the institutions of parliamentary democracy; common law; and separation of powers. ------ If you do not support any one of the above, you are not Australian. That rules out: Aussie, Grappler, Setanta, Brian Ross, philperth et al. Sorry guys, you're not Australian. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Seems I'm almost an Australian... I'll try harder to have loyalty to the queen, I promise. :-/ I doubt she gives a damn what you do  anyway..

I'd say you are right cods, neither of us gives a damn about what the other does.

Frank wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 10:51am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 12:16am: Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 8:49pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:37pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 4:15pm: Has she ever?  Has any Sovereign rejected a Government's selection? The Palace, on several occasions has questioned the Government's choice of GG.  Sir Isaac Isaacs when nominated the Palace asked if he was the best choice for the position.   He was Jewish and Australian.   Obviously, his religion was seen as an impediment.   Sir John Kerr acted illegally and when the PM attempted to have him dismissed, he had to appeal to the Palace to have it done.    ::) See???  You ARE lying. Prove it, Soren.   Otherwise, you're just bullshitting as usual.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) The facts of the Whitlam dismissal are more important than ever Malcolm Fraser delivers proof John Kerr lied over the dismissal Sir John Kerr's obsessive side and the secret ANU discussions before the dismissal Kerr did not act illegally. That the Crown, the High Court, Parliament and the States would have gone along with an illegal act by the GG is a  ludicrous lie, Bwian, so you ARE an outrageous liar. Too stupid.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Oh, so accomodating, hey, Soren when it suits you to be an apologist for the Governor-General acting illegally to dismiss the democratically elected Government of Australia.   Tsk, tsk.  Read the articles and see for yourself.  Kerr decided to dismiss Whitlam well before the Supply Crisis.   He just needed an excuse.   He sought advice from people outside of the PM.   He spoke to the Leader of the Opposition and lied about it.    Such a strange person you are, Soren.   Anything to further your Tory party, hey?    ::)

Oh dear so bwian when was he arrested and charged?
Hmmmm
or are you just making crap up as usual? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 3:17pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture?

Australian culture is a wonderful thing, and immigrants and their offspring do not need to abandon their historical culture, unless it is in clear contradiction to OUR culture, it just must not be put above our culture, so that these migrants believe they are our superiors, on a cultural level.

Can anyone here honestly tell me they have not come across those types, who hark to the superiority of greek culture, because that is where democracy and the great philosophers sprang from, or macedonians thinking that like alexander, and ali, they are the greatest, or italians that identify with the world dominating roman empire, or iranians with the persian etc. etc.

That is what we do not need, having new australians condescending to "convicts".

Aussie culture is famous for it's self deprecating humour, for it's generousity of spirit, and welcoming egalitarianism. We stick up for the underdog, thumb our noses at pretentiosness and self importance, and deride the overly pious and patriotic, with equal disdain. The preparedness to help out a friend, neighbour, or stranger in need, goes back to our pioneering heritage, where we also developed the characteristic of stoically taking hardships in our stride, but continuing to strive to build a better future for all.

When people claim to not know of any australian culture, I have to wonder who are these people, and what the hell is wrong with them that they fail to recognise what is all around them.
I am 5th generation australian, and grateful to have such a great home country, and I would like to think that pathetic whining self pitying zealots from other cultures do not lessen what so many have built up over the last 200 years or so.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 9:25pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:17pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture? Australian culture is a wonderful thing, and immigrants and their offspring do not need to abandon their historical culture, unless it is in clear contradiction to OUR culture, it just must not be put above our culture, so that these migrants believe they are our superiors, on a cultural level. Can anyone here honestly tell me they have not come across those types, who hark to the superiority of greek culture, because that is where democracy and the great philosophers sprang from, or macedonians thinking that like alexander, and ali, they are the greatest, or italians that identify with the world dominating roman empire, or iranians with the persian etc. etc. That is what we do not need, having new australians condescending to "convicts". Aussie culture is famous for it's self deprecating humour, for it's generousity of spirit, and welcoming egalitarianism. We stick up for the underdog, thumb our noses at pretentiosness and self importance, and deride the overly pious and patriotic, with equal disdain. The preparedness to help out a friend, neighbour, or stranger in need, goes back to our pioneering heritage, where we also developed the characteristic of stoically taking hardships in our stride, but continuing to strive to build a better future for all. When people claim to not know of any australian culture, I have to wonder who are these people, and what the hell is wrong with them that they fail to recognise what is all around them. I am 5th generation australian, and grateful to have such a great home country, and I would like to think that pathetic whining self pitying zealots from other cultures do not lessen what so many have built up over the last 200 years or so.

Unless of course, they are Muslims and then they earn the ire of oh, so many Australians who have never met a Muslim nor understand that Muslims aren't all Terrorists, they are just ordinary people who just happen to worship a different god to the one normally accepted by the majority of Australians.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 10:54pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 9:25pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:17pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture? Australian culture is a wonderful thing, and immigrants and their offspring do not need to abandon their historical culture, unless it is in clear contradiction to OUR culture, it just must not be put above our culture, so that these migrants believe they are our superiors, on a cultural level. Can anyone here honestly tell me they have not come across those types, who hark to the superiority of greek culture, because that is where democracy and the great philosophers sprang from, or macedonians thinking that like alexander, and ali, they are the greatest, or italians that identify with the world dominating roman empire, or iranians with the persian etc. etc. That is what we do not need, having new australians condescending to "convicts". Aussie culture is famous for it's self deprecating humour, for it's generousity of spirit, and welcoming egalitarianism. We stick up for the underdog, thumb our noses at pretentiosness and self importance, and deride the overly pious and patriotic, with equal disdain. The preparedness to help out a friend, neighbour, or stranger in need, goes back to our pioneering heritage, where we also developed the characteristic of stoically taking hardships in our stride, but continuing to strive to build a better future for all. When people claim to not know of any australian culture, I have to wonder who are these people, and what the hell is wrong with them that they fail to recognise what is all around them. I am 5th generation australian, and grateful to have such a great home country, and I would like to think that pathetic whining self pitying zealots from other cultures do not lessen what so many have built up over the last 200 years or so. Unless of course, they are Muslims and then they earn the ire of oh, so many Australians who have never met a Muslim nor understand that Muslims aren't all Terrorists, they are just ordinary people who just happen to worship a different god to the one normally accepted by the majority of Australians.    ::)

Again, this focus on the peace-loving majority. The disorganised majority doesn't matter. What matters is the organized minority, which needs JUST ENOUGH SUPPORT to be a force of reckoning. Something is driving this movement; and it's an ideology.

Brian, brian brian, you are so wrong.
Unless of course, they are Muslims and then they earn the ire of oh, so many Australians who have never met a Muslim nor understand that Muslims aren't all Terrorists, they are just ordinary people who just happen to worship a different god to the one normally accepted by the majority of Australians.    


Here is a little clip of some local Mebourne boys, born and raised here, good aussies one and all, according to you, and your fellow apologists.

The clip starts out with them screaming at people filing in to listen to speakers Richard Dawkins and other atheists, and humanists, at the 2012 global atheists convention.
They scream, "BURN IN HELL", luckily because they are a poor repressed minority, that must not be considered HATE speech.
They also hold up signs, declaring the recently deceased, much loved writer Christopher Hitchens, BURNS IN HELLFIRE. Lovely folks, one and all. Of course I expect you will race to point out these are not "real" muslims, nor do they reflect "real" Islamic beliefs.
And two positives cannot produce a negative.
Yeah Right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUWw2EI1J80

If this clip is long enough, you may see some christians spewing hate as well, more lovely folk.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:16am:

Brian, brian brian, you are so wrong. Unless of course, they are Muslims and then they earn the ire of oh, so many Australians who have never met a Muslim nor understand that Muslims aren't all Terrorists, they are just ordinary people who just happen to worship a different god to the one normally accepted by the majority of Australians.     Here is a little clip of some local Mebourne boys, born and raised here, good aussies one and all, according to you, and your fellow apologists. The clip starts out with them screaming at people filing in to listen to speakers Richard Dawkins and other atheists, and humanists, at the 2012 global atheists convention. They scream, "BURN IN HELL", luckily because they are a poor repressed minority, that must not be considered HATE speech. They also hold up signs, declaring the recently deceased, much loved writer Christopher Hitchens, BURNS IN HELLFIRE. Lovely folks, one and all. Of course I expect you will race to point out these are not "real" muslims, nor do they reflect "real" Islamic beliefs. And two positives cannot produce a negative. Yeah Right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUWw2EI1J80 If this clip is long enough, you may see some christians spewing hate as well, more lovely folk.

And in the next video clip they get exactly the response their ideology deserves, ridicule.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCfwcd_Ajg4

Well mozza, it's taken you quite a while, but you finally get it.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 9:25pm:

Australian culture is a wonderful thing, and immigrants and their offspring do not need to abandon their historical culture, unless it is in clear contradiction to OUR culture, it just must not be put above our culture, so that these migrants believe they are our superiors, on a cultural level. Can anyone here honestly tell me they have not come across those types, who hark to the superiority of greek culture, because that is where democracy and the great philosophers sprang from, or macedonians thinking that like alexander, and ali, they are the greatest, or italians that identify with the world dominating roman empire, or iranians with the persian etc. etc. That is what we do not need, having new australians condescending to "convicts". Aussie culture is famous for it's self deprecating humour, for it's generousity of spirit, and welcoming egalitarianism. We stick up for the underdog, thumb our noses at pretentiosness and self importance, and deride the overly pious and patriotic, with equal disdain. The preparedness to help out a friend, neighbour, or stranger in need, goes back to our pioneering heritage, where we also developed the characteristic of stoically taking hardships in our stride, but continuing to strive to build a better future for all. When people claim to not know of any australian culture, I have to wonder who are these people, and what the hell is wrong with them that they fail to recognise what is all around them. I am 5th generation australian, and grateful to have such a great home country, and I would like to think that pathetic whining self pitying zealots from other cultures do not lessen what so many have built up over the last 200 years or so.

Oh yeah that’s a good summation I like it very much... 8-)

I’m from a Greek heritage I was born here and in my youth I rejected it now in my older years I have come to love and embrace my Greek heritage but even though I have Greek blood running through my veins, my heart and my mind are Australian.

I love the Australian sense of humour, the larrikinism, the slang, the ability to laugh at almost anything and to not take life too seriously, the bonds of mateship between friends and helping each other out.

I’ve never been to Greece but I have met many relos who have come over here for a holiday and while they are good people and I like them deep down they do feel a bit alien to what I’m used to.

One day I will go for a holiday to see the place my oldies came from but Australia will always be home.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 9:25pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:17pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture? Australian culture is a wonderful thing, and immigrants and their offspring do not need to abandon their historical culture, unless it is in clear contradiction to OUR culture, it just must not be put above our culture, so that these migrants believe they are our superiors, on a cultural level. Can anyone here honestly tell me they have not come across those types, who hark to the superiority of greek culture, because that is where democracy and the great philosophers sprang from, or macedonians thinking that like alexander, and ali, they are the greatest, or italians that identify with the world dominating roman empire, or iranians with the persian etc. etc. That is what we do not need, having new australians condescending to "convicts". Aussie culture is famous for it's self deprecating humour, for it's generousity of spirit, and welcoming egalitarianism. We stick up for the underdog, thumb our noses at pretentiosness and self importance, and deride the overly pious and patriotic, with equal disdain. The preparedness to help out a friend, neighbour, or stranger in need, goes back to our pioneering heritage, where we also developed the characteristic of stoically taking hardships in our stride, but continuing to strive to build a better future for all. When people claim to not know of any australian culture, I have to wonder who are these people, and what the hell is wrong with them that they fail to recognise what is all around them. I am 5th generation australian, and grateful to have such a great home country, and I would like to think that pathetic whining self pitying zealots from other cultures do not lessen what so many have built up over the last 200 years or so.

Agree they don't need to abandon anything because there is no culture.
Everything what's left is a poor imitation of British prehistoric convict colonial "culture".

https://38.media.tumblr.com/9b5d235913996c0d7d61209473e79237/tumblr_inline_n86rmagDro1sev86p.jpg

Lol, maybe you should change your id to CLUELESS.

Can we forget about bwian and his wankerisms...  he only wants to disrupt and derail topics..

Inventiveness...
http://www.convictcreations.com/culture/inventions.htm

4. A Sporting Culture.

Australians have developed a sporting sub/culture, whether they be spectators or participants, Australians have a love of Sports.  Perhaps more than any other nation.

http://www.convictcreations.com/citizenship/sport.html

Australians have excelled at and have had many world champions in many world sports as well.
Tennis, Rugby League, Rugby Union, Cricket, Squash, Swimming, Hockey, Golf, Boxing, Track and Field, etc, etc, etc...


Quote:

Australians take great pride in the sporting feats of our compatriots — indeed a large degree of our national identity has been forged on the playing field. From Bradman to Gould, Freeman to Cash, the achievements of our legendary sports stars fill us with a collective national pride. In the wake of national celebrations for Australia Day, Wide World of Sports hones in on 11 of our greatest sporting heroes.  Don Bradman Any discussion of Australian sporting champions must begin with cricket legend Sir Donald "The Don" Bradman. Even with almost 70 years having passed since his retirement and 15 years since his death, Bradman's many batting records remain mostly unchallenged. Bradman still holds the highest Test batting average of any batsmen at 99.94, and his insatiable run-making prowess is unlikely ever to be bettered. Shane Gould Australia has also excelled in the Olympic domain, with numerous legendary performers enshrining their names in the history books. Shane Gould wowed a generation as a shy 15-year-old schoolgirl at the 1972 Munich Games, winning three gold medals, a silver and a bronze in various swimming events. But the pressure of success was too much for her and on her return to Australia, she retired from competitive swimming. The mother of four has since revived her career competing at Masters level, where she’s set an array of records, solidifying her legendary status. Herb Elliott Aussies have also excelled in the track and field arena. Herb Elliott was the greatest middle distance runner of his generation, unbeaten over both the mile and the 1500m during his career from 1957 to 1961. Such was his domination during that period, it was simply assumed he couldn't lose — and in the 1960 Rome Olympics, he only fueled this rumour further by smashing his own world record, winning by 30m. Betty Cuthbert Betty Cuthbert became Australia's "Golden Girl" when she blitzed the 1956 Melbourne Olympics, winning a total of three gold medals, before taking home another gold in Tokyo four years later. Cuthbert was inducted into The Sport Australia Hall of Fame in 1985 as an Athlete Member and in 1994 was elevated to Legend of Australian Sport. Tragically, she was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1969, but went on to become a keen advocate for the condition. Cathy Freeman In terms of an athlete who truly became a legend in a single moment, you can't go past Cathy Freeman. As Australia held its collective breath, the proud indigenous athlete  clinched gold at the Sydney 2000 Olympics in stunning fashion during the 400m. The significance of her achievement cannot be underestimated. Coming in an era where the incumbent government had refused to apologise for past injustices against the Aboriginal people, her win was a unifying experience for the entire nation Mark Richards As a coastal nation, it should come as no surprise that Aussies have also excelled in surfing. Rising from the counter-culture milieu of the 1960s and 1970s, Australia's beaches spawned a radical crop of competitive surfers who dominated the fledgling years of professional surfing. And there were none better than Newcastle's Mark Richards. Winning four world titles and revolutionising the sport with a powerfully fluid style, Richards was everything surfers weren't originally considered to be. A quiet, humble family man, Richards' Australian record of four titles has stood firm for years, with only three-time world champ Mick Fanning coming close. Tennis legends The tennis courts of the world have also long been hallowed ground for Australian athletes. Legends include Margaret Court, who won 62 Grand Slam titles between 1969 and 1975; Rod Laver, who took the world by storm throughout the 1960s; and Ken Rosewall, whose 20-year career carved his name forever in the Australian psyche. Pat Cash But one of the greatest and most well-loved tennis champs from Oz is Pat Cash – whose victory over Ivan Lendl in the 1987 Wimbledon final cemented his status as eternal sporting legend. Throughout his career, Cash won six singles titles and 12 doubles titles, before retiring from the game in 1997. If you scratch the surface of almost any sport, you will find an Australian sporting legend. From sailors John Bertrand and Jessica Watson, to cricketers Shane Warne and Dennis Lillee, to golfers Peter Thompson and Greg Norman, this nation has bred a plethora of legends, all admired and loved for their achievements.

Grendel wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

4. A Sporting Culture. Australians have developed a sporting sub/culture, whether they be spectators or participants, Australians have a love of Sports.  Perhaps more than any other nation. http://www.convictcreations.com/citizenship/sport.html

Lets not forget those special people that indulge in the extra sporting curriculum of streaking....... 8-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FYMUSdVbpQ

capitosinora wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 9:31am:

Agree they don't need to abandon anything because there is no culture. Everything what's left is a poor imitation of British prehistoric convict colonial "culture". https://38.media.tumblr.com/9b5d235913996c0d7d61209473e79237/tumblr_inline_n86rmagDro1sev86p.jpg

Not unlike America, then.

http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/black-people-lynched.jpg

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

capitosinora wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 9:31am: Agree they don't need to abandon anything because there is no culture. Everything what's left is a poor imitation of British prehistoric convict colonial "culture". https://38.media.tumblr.com/9b5d235913996c0d7d61209473e79237/tumblr_inline_n86rmagDro1sev86p.jpg Not unlike America, then. http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/black-people-lynched.jpg

Actually, funnily enough, to a certain extent, I agree with you, Soren.  I am in shock!  Shock, I tell you!  I think I need a strong cuppa, a Bex and a long lie down!    ::)

Auggie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 11:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 10:54pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 13th, 2018 at 9:25pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 3:17pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 11:46am: Multi-ethnic populations are something I have no problem with at all, but the ones who put their historical culture ABOVE the australian culture, should get the arse. F off back there if ya love it so bloody much you maintain it's beliefs and cultural practices instead of adopting the australian culture. And what is the "Australian Culture"? (if it even exists) I don't binge drink on weekends or obsess over cars. Does that mean that I'm not adopting Australian Culture? Australian culture is a wonderful thing, and immigrants and their offspring do not need to abandon their historical culture, unless it is in clear contradiction to OUR culture, it just must not be put above our culture, so that these migrants believe they are our superiors, on a cultural level. Can anyone here honestly tell me they have not come across those types, who hark to the superiority of greek culture, because that is where democracy and the great philosophers sprang from, or macedonians thinking that like alexander, and ali, they are the greatest, or italians that identify with the world dominating roman empire, or iranians with the persian etc. etc. That is what we do not need, having new australians condescending to "convicts". Aussie culture is famous for it's self deprecating humour, for it's generousity of spirit, and welcoming egalitarianism. We stick up for the underdog, thumb our noses at pretentiosness and self importance, and deride the overly pious and patriotic, with equal disdain. The preparedness to help out a friend, neighbour, or stranger in need, goes back to our pioneering heritage, where we also developed the characteristic of stoically taking hardships in our stride, but continuing to strive to build a better future for all. When people claim to not know of any australian culture, I have to wonder who are these people, and what the hell is wrong with them that they fail to recognise what is all around them. I am 5th generation australian, and grateful to have such a great home country, and I would like to think that pathetic whining self pitying zealots from other cultures do not lessen what so many have built up over the last 200 years or so. Unless of course, they are Muslims and then they earn the ire of oh, so many Australians who have never met a Muslim nor understand that Muslims aren't all Terrorists, they are just ordinary people who just happen to worship a different god to the one normally accepted by the majority of Australians.    ::) Again, this focus on the peace-loving majority. The disorganised majority doesn't matter. What matters is the organized minority, which needs JUST ENOUGH SUPPORT to be a force of reckoning. Something is driving this movement; and it's an ideology.

So, the "disorganised majority" become the collateral damage, hey, Augie?   Shame, hey, that innocent people are persecuted, that innocent people have their lives damaged/destroyed by you trying to aim so broadly at the minority that you catch the whole population in your sights.    Tsk, tsk, how American of you.    ::)

mozzaok wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 12:16am:

Brian, brian brian, you are so wrong. Unless of course, they are Muslims and then they earn the ire of oh, so many Australians who have never met a Muslim nor understand that Muslims aren't all Terrorists, they are just ordinary people who just happen to worship a different god to the one normally accepted by the majority of Australians.     Here is a little clip of some local Mebourne boys, born and raised here, good aussies one and all, according to you, and your fellow apologists.

I make it to be about 30 people.  Hardly representative of the overwhelming majority of Muslims, now are they?


Quote:

If this clip is long enough, you may see some christians spewing hate as well, more lovely folk.

So?  Yet you signal out the Muslims for most of your criticism.  Interesting that.   Both groups are exercising their Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly.   Both are acting democratically and protesting, peacefully.   I see nothing wrong with either group doing that.

I don't agree with their position, as is my right.   I'd enjoy more than likely arguing with people from either group.  However, they have a right to their views and I would never tell them they were wrong for doing so as you appear to be doing.

Neither group was violent, neither group threatened anybody physically.   So, what is your problem with either group expressing their opinion?

You may disagree with what they say but you have no right to silence either group.  No right at all.    ::) ::) ::)

But it's not always peaceful is it bwian...
http://xtribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/121460-sydney-riot.gif.jpg
Really Bwian.
Bwian says they will become Australians in the future...
http://teaminfocus.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Evil.jpg
Really bwian.
Multiculti works says bwian...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4263398-3x2-940x627.jpg
Really Bwian.

MULTICULTI IS A FAILURE BWIAN...  A DEAD SET FLAWED FANTASY IMPOSED UPON US BY LW PC PROGS LIKE YOURSELF.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:16pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 12:16am: Brian, brian brian, you are so wrong. Unless of course, they are Muslims and then they earn the ire of oh, so many Australians who have never met a Muslim nor understand that Muslims aren't all Terrorists, they are just ordinary people who just happen to worship a different god to the one normally accepted by the majority of Australians.     Here is a little clip of some local Mebourne boys, born and raised here, good aussies one and all, according to you, and your fellow apologists. I make it to be about 30 people.  Hardly representative of the overwhelming majority of Muslims, now are they? Quote: If this clip is long enough, you may see some christians spewing hate as well, more lovely folk. So?  Yet you signal out the Muslims for most of your criticism.  Interesting that.   Both groups are exercising their Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly.   Both are acting democratically and protesting, peacefully.   I see nothing wrong with either group doing that. I don't agree with their position, as is my right.   I'd enjoy more than likely arguing with people from either group.  However, they have a right to their views and I would never tell them they were wrong for doing so as you appear to be doing. Neither group was violent, neither group threatened anybody physically.   So, what is your problem with either group expressing their opinion? You may disagree with what they say but you have no right to silence either group.  No right at all.    ::) ::) ::)

Seriously Brian, I reckon I have scraped stuff off the soles of my shoes that is smarter than you.
I have trouble reconciling that people of such little intellectual capacity exist.

Muslims do have the right to free speech.
They do differ from other groups in that they threaten to kill people who disagree with them.
That is bad enough, but even worse is that these are not empty threats, because they actually do go on to murder those who diasgree with them.

That goes beyond free speech, I would think even someone with a dead gerbil to keep his wheel spinning could pick up on that much.

To pretend that a screaming muslim does not carry a threat of violence, even if he does not say it because he is being filmed, does not mean it is not there.

Do you think if I put my name and address with every statement against Islam I could rest easily in the fact that they will allow me my free speech in a manner free from threat of or actual violence.

Yeah, like fu33 you do.
Neither do any other of you mealy mouthed apologists.
So get friggin real for a change and admit these guys are not like everybody else.
Their religion is a political ideology that is totalitarian in nature and more closely resembles fascism than anything we have seen since 1945.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:09pm:

So, the "disorganised majority" become the collateral damage, hey, Augie?   Shame, hey, that innocent people are persecuted, that innocent people have their lives damaged/destroyed by you trying to aim so broadly at the minority that you catch the whole population in your sights.    Tsk, tsk, how American of you.

Shame who your denial actually alienates Moderates who actually hold liberal values. You're enabling the suppression of the true Reformers in Islam by being in denial. Stand up for the rights of your fellow Reformer Muslim and support core liberal values. There is no compromise on these liberal values, Brian Ross. That is what you should be doing, and that's what I'm trying to do.

Auggie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:09pm: So, the "disorganised majority" become the collateral damage, hey, Augie?   Shame, hey, that innocent people are persecuted, that innocent people have their lives damaged/destroyed by you trying to aim so broadly at the minority that you catch the whole population in your sights.    Tsk, tsk, how American of you.    Shame who your denial actually alienates Moderates who actually hold liberal values. You're enabling the suppression of the true Reformers in Islam by being in denial. Stand up for the rights of your fellow Reformer Muslim and support core liberal values. There is no compromise on these liberal values, Brian Ross. That is what you should be doing, and that's what I'm trying to do.

I am not in denial in the slightest, Augie.  I welcome reformers from within Islam.  Indeed, I have often argued that reform must come from Muslims themselves.  All the criticism from Islamophobes does is make them close ranks and withdraw into a bunker mentality.   The same for any group.    Time to stop thinking that you're helping the reformers, you're actually hindering them.  Making their lives harder because the extremists claim that the reformers are betrayers/apostates because they are siding with the secular West.   I've seen the same effect with Catholics, Protestants, Jews, you name it.   It does not work.    ::)

mozzaok wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:49pm:

Seriously Brian, I reckon I have scraped stuff off the soles of my shoes that is smarter than you. I have trouble reconciling that people of such little intellectual capacity exist. Muslims do have the right to free speech. They do differ from other groups in that they threaten to kill people who disagree with them. That is bad enough, but even worse is that these are not empty threats, because they actually do go on to murder those who diasgree with them. That goes beyond free speech, I would think even someone with a dead gerbil to keep his wheel spinning could pick up on that much. To pretend that a screaming muslim does not carry a threat of violence, even if he does not say it because he is being filmed, does not mean it is not there. Do you think if I put my name and address with every statement against Islam I could rest easily in the fact that they will allow me my free speech in a manner free from threat of or actual violence. Yeah, like fu33 you do. Neither do any other of you mealy mouthed apologists. So get friggin real for a change and admit these guys are not like everybody else. Their religion is a political ideology that is totalitarian in nature and more closely resembles fascism than anything we have seen since 1945.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Another one who when he can't win automatically resorts to ad hominem argument.  Tsk, tsk, I have no idea why you bother, I really don't.   You add nothing to the debate except insults and hatred.

The Muslims in your video did not threaten to kill anybody, as far as I can tell.   They did not threaten to hurt anybody.   They were just making a vocal and visual protest against the speakers.  Nothing more.  Once more we see the Islamophobic mindset.   Most Muslims are law-abiding, well assimilated, peaceful people.   I am unsure why you attempt to characterise them as being anything else.   Could it be your Islamophobia speaking?    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 2:40pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:49pm: Seriously Brian, I reckon I have scraped stuff off the soles of my shoes that is smarter than you. I have trouble reconciling that people of such little intellectual capacity exist. Muslims do have the right to free speech. They do differ from other groups in that they threaten to kill people who disagree with them. That is bad enough, but even worse is that these are not empty threats, because they actually do go on to murder those who diasgree with them. That goes beyond free speech, I would think even someone with a dead gerbil to keep his wheel spinning could pick up on that much. To pretend that a screaming muslim does not carry a threat of violence, even if he does not say it because he is being filmed, does not mean it is not there. Do you think if I put my name and address with every statement against Islam I could rest easily in the fact that they will allow me my free speech in a manner free from threat of or actual violence. Yeah, like fu33 you do. Neither do any other of you mealy mouthed apologists. So get friggin real for a change and admit these guys are not like everybody else. Their religion is a political ideology that is totalitarian in nature and more closely resembles fascism than anything we have seen since 1945. Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Another one who when he can't win automatically resorts to ad hominem argument.  Tsk, tsk, I have no idea why you bother, I really don't.   You add nothing to the debate except insults and hatred. The Muslims in your video did not threaten to kill anybody, as far as I can tell.   They did not threaten to hurt anybody.   They were just making a vocal and visual protest against the speakers.  Nothing more.  Once more we see the Islamophobic mindset.   Most Muslims are law-abiding, well assimilated, peaceful people.   I am unsure why you attempt to characterise them as being anything else.   Could it be your Islamophobia speaking?    ::)

I agree........... 8-)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 2:40pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:49pm: Seriously Brian, I reckon I have scraped stuff off the soles of my shoes that is smarter than you. I have trouble reconciling that people of such little intellectual capacity exist. Muslims do have the right to free speech. They do differ from other groups in that they threaten to kill people who disagree with them. That is bad enough, but even worse is that these are not empty threats, because they actually do go on to murder those who diasgree with them. That goes beyond free speech, I would think even someone with a dead gerbil to keep his wheel spinning could pick up on that much. To pretend that a screaming muslim does not carry a threat of violence, even if he does not say it because he is being filmed, does not mean it is not there. Do you think if I put my name and address with every statement against Islam I could rest easily in the fact that they will allow me my free speech in a manner free from threat of or actual violence. Yeah, like fu33 you do. Neither do any other of you mealy mouthed apologists. So get friggin real for a change and admit these guys are not like everybody else. Their religion is a political ideology that is totalitarian in nature and more closely resembles fascism than anything we have seen since 1945. Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Another one who when he can't win automatically resorts to ad hominem argument.  Tsk, tsk, I have no idea why you bother, I really don't.   You add nothing to the debate except insults and hatred. The Muslims in your video did not threaten to kill anybody, as far as I can tell.   They did not threaten to hurt anybody.   They were just making a vocal and visual protest against the speakers.  Nothing more.  Once more we see the Islamophobic mindset.   Most Muslims are law-abiding, well assimilated, peaceful people.   I am unsure why you attempt to characterise them as being anything else.   Could it be your Islamophobia speaking?    ::)

You ought to know bwyannnnnn,

You are the one who always falls straight back to the exact same statement of stupidity every single time you can't win.

Tsk tsk
Calling everyone an legislative. (Even the spell check can't legitimise islamaphobia)
You christophobe

Valkie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 3:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:40pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:49pm: Seriously Brian, I reckon I have scraped stuff off the soles of my shoes that is smarter than you. I have trouble reconciling that people of such little intellectual capacity exist. Muslims do have the right to free speech. They do differ from other groups in that they threaten to kill people who disagree with them. That is bad enough, but even worse is that these are not empty threats, because they actually do go on to murder those who diasgree with them. That goes beyond free speech, I would think even someone with a dead gerbil to keep his wheel spinning could pick up on that much. To pretend that a screaming muslim does not carry a threat of violence, even if he does not say it because he is being filmed, does not mean it is not there. Do you think if I put my name and address with every statement against Islam I could rest easily in the fact that they will allow me my free speech in a manner free from threat of or actual violence. Yeah, like fu33 you do. Neither do any other of you mealy mouthed apologists. So get friggin real for a change and admit these guys are not like everybody else. Their religion is a political ideology that is totalitarian in nature and more closely resembles fascism than anything we have seen since 1945. Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Another one who when he can't win automatically resorts to ad hominem argument.  Tsk, tsk, I have no idea why you bother, I really don't.   You add nothing to the debate except insults and hatred. The Muslims in your video did not threaten to kill anybody, as far as I can tell.   They did not threaten to hurt anybody.   They were just making a vocal and visual protest against the speakers.  Nothing more.  Once more we see the Islamophobic mindset.   Most Muslims are law-abiding, well assimilated, peaceful people.   I am unsure why you attempt to characterise them as being anything else.   Could it be your Islamophobia speaking?    ::) You ought to know bwyannnnnn, You are the one who always falls straight back to the exact same statement of stupidity every single time you can't win. Tsk tsk Calling everyone an legislative. (Even the spell check can't legitimise islamaphobia) You christophobe

Better lay off the Fruity Lexia, Valkie.   Tsk, tsk, a "legislative"?  Really?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   ::)

Islamophobia - defined just for you, Valkie, as your spell checker has so much trouble with it.   ::)

Ajax wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:40pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:49pm: Seriously Brian, I reckon I have scraped stuff off the soles of my shoes that is smarter than you. I have trouble reconciling that people of such little intellectual capacity exist. Muslims do have the right to free speech. They do differ from other groups in that they threaten to kill people who disagree with them. That is bad enough, but even worse is that these are not empty threats, because they actually do go on to murder those who diasgree with them. That goes beyond free speech, I would think even someone with a dead gerbil to keep his wheel spinning could pick up on that much. To pretend that a screaming muslim does not carry a threat of violence, even if he does not say it because he is being filmed, does not mean it is not there. Do you think if I put my name and address with every statement against Islam I could rest easily in the fact that they will allow me my free speech in a manner free from threat of or actual violence. Yeah, like fu33 you do. Neither do any other of you mealy mouthed apologists. So get friggin real for a change and admit these guys are not like everybody else. Their religion is a political ideology that is totalitarian in nature and more closely resembles fascism than anything we have seen since 1945. Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Another one who when he can't win automatically resorts to ad hominem argument.  Tsk, tsk, I have no idea why you bother, I really don't.   You add nothing to the debate except insults and hatred. The Muslims in your video did not threaten to kill anybody, as far as I can tell.   They did not threaten to hurt anybody.   They were just making a vocal and visual protest against the speakers.  Nothing more.  Once more we see the Islamophobic mindset.   Most Muslims are law-abiding, well assimilated, peaceful people.   I am unsure why you attempt to characterise them as being anything else.   Could it be your Islamophobia speaking?    ::) I agree........... 8-)

That's not the case in Young NSW Ajax

A good test for muslims assimilating is in towns like Young which have small populations. Young has 7000 residents. In small towns, any behavour inconsistent with the locals culture and norms, sticks out like a sore thumb. The muslims in Young don't seem to be interested in the Aussie population (I'll be traveling to that area this year, so I'll find out the truth when I stop at Young and talk to residents)

Apart from SBS, all reports are that the muslims are keeping to themselves and already one has been charged with supplying info to ISIS

I hope there's no more than one definition of "assimilation"


assimilate |əˈsiməˌlāt|
verb [ trans. ]
1 take in (information, ideas, or culture) and understand fully
• (usu. be assimilated) absorb and integrate into a wider society or culture

Back on topic...

Grendel wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

4. A Sporting Culture. Australians have developed a sporting sub/culture, whether they be spectators or participants, Australians have a love of Sports.  Perhaps more than any other nation. http://www.convictcreations.com/citizenship/sport.html Australians have excelled at and have had many world champions in many world sports as well. Tennis, Rugby League, Rugby Union, Cricket, Squash, Swimming, Hockey, Golf, Boxing, Track and Field, etc, etc, etc... Quote: Australians take great pride in the sporting feats of our compatriots — indeed a large degree of our national identity has been forged on the playing field. From Bradman to Gould, Freeman to Cash, the achievements of our legendary sports stars fill us with a collective national pride. In the wake of national celebrations for Australia Day, Wide World of Sports hones in on 11 of our greatest sporting heroes.  Don Bradman Any discussion of Australian sporting champions must begin with cricket legend Sir Donald "The Don" Bradman. Even with almost 70 years having passed since his retirement and 15 years since his death, Bradman's many batting records remain mostly unchallenged. Bradman still holds the highest Test batting average of any batsmen at 99.94, and his insatiable run-making prowess is unlikely ever to be bettered. Shane Gould Australia has also excelled in the Olympic domain, with numerous legendary performers enshrining their names in the history books. Shane Gould wowed a generation as a shy 15-year-old schoolgirl at the 1972 Munich Games, winning three gold medals, a silver and a bronze in various swimming events. But the pressure of success was too much for her and on her return to Australia, she retired from competitive swimming. The mother of four has since revived her career competing at Masters level, where she’s set an array of records, solidifying her legendary status. Herb Elliott Aussies have also excelled in the track and field arena. Herb Elliott was the greatest middle distance runner of his generation, unbeaten over both the mile and the 1500m during his career from 1957 to 1961. Such was his domination during that period, it was simply assumed he couldn't lose — and in the 1960 Rome Olympics, he only fueled this rumour further by smashing his own world record, winning by 30m. Betty Cuthbert Betty Cuthbert became Australia's "Golden Girl" when she blitzed the 1956 Melbourne Olympics, winning a total of three gold medals, before taking home another gold in Tokyo four years later. Cuthbert was inducted into The Sport Australia Hall of Fame in 1985 as an Athlete Member and in 1994 was elevated to Legend of Australian Sport. Tragically, she was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1969, but went on to become a keen advocate for the condition. Cathy Freeman In terms of an athlete who truly became a legend in a single moment, you can't go past Cathy Freeman. As Australia held its collective breath, the proud indigenous athlete  clinched gold at the Sydney 2000 Olympics in stunning fashion during the 400m. The significance of her achievement cannot be underestimated. Coming in an era where the incumbent government had refused to apologise for past injustices against the Aboriginal people, her win was a unifying experience for the entire nation Mark Richards As a coastal nation, it should come as no surprise that Aussies have also excelled in surfing. Rising from the counter-culture milieu of the 1960s and 1970s, Australia's beaches spawned a radical crop of competitive surfers who dominated the fledgling years of professional surfing. And there were none better than Newcastle's Mark Richards. Winning four world titles and revolutionising the sport with a powerfully fluid style, Richards was everything surfers weren't originally considered to be. A quiet, humble family man, Richards' Australian record of four titles has stood firm for years, with only three-time world champ Mick Fanning coming close. Tennis legends The tennis courts of the world have also long been hallowed ground for Australian athletes. Legends include Margaret Court, who won 62 Grand Slam titles between 1969 and 1975; Rod Laver, who took the world by storm throughout the 1960s; and Ken Rosewall, whose 20-year career carved his name forever in the Australian psyche. Pat Cash But one of the greatest and most well-loved tennis champs from Oz is Pat Cash – whose victory over Ivan Lendl in the 1987 Wimbledon final cemented his status as eternal sporting legend. Throughout his career, Cash won six singles titles and 12 doubles titles, before retiring from the game in 1997. If you scratch the surface of almost any sport, you will find an Australian sporting legend. From sailors John Bertrand and Jessica Watson, to cricketers Shane Warne and Dennis Lillee, to golfers Peter Thompson and Greg Norman, this nation has bred a plethora of legends, all admired and loved for their achievements.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 3:17pm:

Valkie wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 3:10pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:40pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:49pm: Seriously Brian, I reckon I have scraped stuff off the soles of my shoes that is smarter than you. I have trouble reconciling that people of such little intellectual capacity exist. Muslims do have the right to free speech. They do differ from other groups in that they threaten to kill people who disagree with them. That is bad enough, but even worse is that these are not empty threats, because they actually do go on to murder those who diasgree with them. That goes beyond free speech, I would think even someone with a dead gerbil to keep his wheel spinning could pick up on that much. To pretend that a screaming muslim does not carry a threat of violence, even if he does not say it because he is being filmed, does not mean it is not there. Do you think if I put my name and address with every statement against Islam I could rest easily in the fact that they will allow me my free speech in a manner free from threat of or actual violence. Yeah, like fu33 you do. Neither do any other of you mealy mouthed apologists. So get friggin real for a change and admit these guys are not like everybody else. Their religion is a political ideology that is totalitarian in nature and more closely resembles fascism than anything we have seen since 1945. Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Another one who when he can't win automatically resorts to ad hominem argument.  Tsk, tsk, I have no idea why you bother, I really don't.   You add nothing to the debate except insults and hatred. The Muslims in your video did not threaten to kill anybody, as far as I can tell.   They did not threaten to hurt anybody.   They were just making a vocal and visual protest against the speakers.  Nothing more.  Once more we see the Islamophobic mindset.   Most Muslims are law-abiding, well assimilated, peaceful people.   I am unsure why you attempt to characterise them as being anything else.   Could it be your Islamophobia speaking?    ::) You ought to know bwyannnnnn, You are the one who always falls straight back to the exact same statement of stupidity every single time you can't win. Tsk tsk Calling everyone an legislative. (Even the spell check can't legitimise islamaphobia) You christophobe Better lay off the Fruity Lexia, Valkie.   Tsk, tsk, a "legislative"?  Really?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   ::) Islamophobia - defined just for you, Valkie, as your spell checker has so much trouble with it.   ::)

Imbecile
Your mind is so warped by the sick CULT that you have no intelligence left.
Wikipedia, you favorite tool, is full of insane and incorrect data.
Just like you.
But the English dictionary does not recognise islamaphobia because it's a make up word.

No one fears Islam, they just hate it.
How can one fear a cowardly, primitive, backward CULT?

NOW GO AWAY LITTLE TSK TSK IMBECILE

mozzaok wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 1:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:16pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 12:16am: Brian, brian brian, you are so wrong. Unless of course, they are Muslims and then they earn the ire of oh, so many Australians who have never met a Muslim nor understand that Muslims aren't all Terrorists, they are just ordinary people who just happen to worship a different god to the one normally accepted by the majority of Australians.     Here is a little clip of some local Mebourne boys, born and raised here, good aussies one and all, according to you, and your fellow apologists. I make it to be about 30 people.  Hardly representative of the overwhelming majority of Muslims, now are they? Quote: If this clip is long enough, you may see some christians spewing hate as well, more lovely folk. So?  Yet you signal out the Muslims for most of your criticism.  Interesting that.   Both groups are exercising their Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly.   Both are acting democratically and protesting, peacefully.   I see nothing wrong with either group doing that. I don't agree with their position, as is my right.   I'd enjoy more than likely arguing with people from either group.  However, they have a right to their views and I would never tell them they were wrong for doing so as you appear to be doing. Neither group was violent, neither group threatened anybody physically.   So, what is your problem with either group expressing their opinion? You may disagree with what they say but you have no right to silence either group.  No right at all.    ::) ::) ::) Seriously Brian, I reckon I have scraped stuff off the soles of my shoes that is smarter than you. I have trouble reconciling that people of such little intellectual capacity exist. Muslims do have the right to free speech. They do differ from other groups in that they threaten to kill people who disagree with them. That is bad enough, but even worse is that these are not empty threats, because they actually do go on to murder those who diasgree with them. That goes beyond free speech, I would think even someone with a dead gerbil to keep his wheel spinning could pick up on that much. To pretend that a screaming muslim does not carry a threat of violence, even if he does not say it because he is being filmed, does not mean it is not there. Do you think if I put my name and address with every statement against Islam I could rest easily in the fact that they will allow me my free speech in a manner free from threat of or actual violence. Yeah, like fu33 you do. Neither do any other of you mealy mouthed apologists. So get friggin real for a change and admit these guys are not like everybody else. Their religion is a political ideology that is totalitarian in nature and more closely resembles fascism than anything we have seen since 1945.

Mozza you've nailed it.

Pssst....Bwian is a clueless troll we usually ignore OR poke fun at  ;D

Valkie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2018 at 6:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 3:17pm: Valkie wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 3:10pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 2:40pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 14th, 2018 at 1:49pm: Seriously Brian, I reckon I have scraped stuff off the soles of my shoes that is smarter than you. I have trouble reconciling that people of such little intellectual capacity exist. Muslims do have the right to free speech. They do differ from other groups in that they threaten to kill people who disagree with them. That is bad enough, but even worse is that these are not empty threats, because they actually do go on to murder those who diasgree with them. That goes beyond free speech, I would think even someone with a dead gerbil to keep his wheel spinning could pick up on that much. To pretend that a screaming muslim does not carry a threat of violence, even if he does not say it because he is being filmed, does not mean it is not there. Do you think if I put my name and address with every statement against Islam I could rest easily in the fact that they will allow me my free speech in a manner free from threat of or actual violence. Yeah, like fu33 you do. Neither do any other of you mealy mouthed apologists. So get friggin real for a change and admit these guys are not like everybody else. Their religion is a political ideology that is totalitarian in nature and more closely resembles fascism than anything we have seen since 1945. Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Another one who when he can't win automatically resorts to ad hominem argument.  Tsk, tsk, I have no idea why you bother, I really don't.   You add nothing to the debate except insults and hatred. The Muslims in your video did not threaten to kill anybody, as far as I can tell.   They did not threaten to hurt anybody.   They were just making a vocal and visual protest against the speakers.  Nothing more.  Once more we see the Islamophobic mindset.   Most Muslims are law-abiding, well assimilated, peaceful people.   I am unsure why you attempt to characterise them as being anything else.   Could it be your Islamophobia speaking?    ::) You ought to know bwyannnnnn, You are the one who always falls straight back to the exact same statement of stupidity every single time you can't win. Tsk tsk Calling everyone an legislative. (Even the spell check can't legitimise islamaphobia) You christophobe Better lay off the Fruity Lexia, Valkie.   Tsk, tsk, a "legislative"?  Really?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   ::) Islamophobia - defined just for you, Valkie, as your spell checker has so much trouble with it.   ::) Imbecile Your mind is so warped by the sick CULT that you have no intelligence left. Wikipedia, you favorite tool, is full of insane and incorrect data. Just like you. But the English dictionary does not recognise islamaphobia because it's a make up word. No one fears Islam, they just hate it. How can one fear a cowardly, primitive, backward CULT? NOW GO AWAY LITTLE TSK TSK IMBECILE

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Resorting to ad hominem arguments again, Valkie?  Tsk, tsk.  Oxford University Dictionary - the ultimate determiner of what is English or not disagrees with you.

Islamophobia    ::)