pain-killers like morphine and other strong opiates that they can't stop the pain?

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First time 2 years ago.

Funny thing ocean currents.

What do you want to put it down to Herb?

Global warming?

It's feckin summer here on the Fraser Coast.

Biggest tides of the year happening.

A once in 150 year super blue blood moon will push the tides & currents around a bit more on the 31st January.

Why don't you change your name to Al Gore?

You old Man Bear Pig you.  :P

They're tiny and we're only described in the 1960s.

No doubt they've been that far south before, and will again.

I got the crap bitten out of me by swarms of killer march flies last time I was on Fraser Is. Horrid part of the world ;)

Scotland has its midges that costs millions in lost tourist dollars each year.

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Irukanji - just one of many 'Jelly Blooms' around the world as the Ocean environment has been compromised and brought back down to its 'primordial seas' knees.
Lack of Sharks has brought the Humboldt Squid rising in vast numbers to fill ...the NICHE.
Jellies swarm around Nihon (Japan) because there is 'nothing' much else left to compete with it.

Irukanji ...when used properly, dropped inside a bottle of Jim Beam and left on front step (looking like a worm on a hook, but not quite actually appearing like 'bait'). Can provide that 'Houso' arsehole next door a nice cardiac arrest. ;)

Gnads wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

First time 2 years ago. Funny thing ocean currents. What do you want to put it down to Herb? Global warming? It's feckin summer here on the Fraser Coast. Biggest tides of the year happening. A once in 150 year super blue blood moon will push the tides & currents around a bit more on the 31st January. Why don't you change your name to Al Gore? You old Man Bear Pig you.  :P

Yes they think it is moving south due to warmer waters


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Deadly Irukandji Jellyfish are drifting further south along Queensland's coastline Toxicologist professor Jamie Seymour has "little doubt" Irukandji will keep moving down to the Gold and Sunshine Coasts after a stinger was found at Fraser Island on Sunday. Mr Seymour cited warmer sea temperatures as the reason Irukandji could become a regular occurrence at Mooloolaba, and even as far south as Coolangatta on the Gold Coast. http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/irukandji-stinger-found-off-fraser-island/news-story/f5865b7784a822091abda5734e11cf57

There are a lot of small bits of hard coral growing in southern QLD and northern NSW.

freediver wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 7:36pm:

There are a lot of small bits of hard coral growing in southern QLD and northern NSW.

The one they caught off Frazer is an infant, so there must also be parents around the same place.  Nasty.

Perhaps it hitched a ride in someone's wetsuit.

I remember a story of a guy on a Container Ship suffering the effects of a Irukanji.
It took them a while to figure it out.
Apparently he was standing on the port side rail looking out to sea when one of the waves splashing against the ship spurted up high enough and by chance, it had an Irukanji Jelly in it and it grazed his cheek.
He near died.
15m high above water he was.

freediver wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 7:50pm:

Perhaps it hitched a ride in someone's wetsuit.

And that person in that same wetsuit, swam from where to where without getting out of the water?

Aussie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 8:25pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:50pm: Perhaps it hitched a ride in someone's wetsuit. And that person in that same wetsuit, swam from where to where without getting out of the water?

Maybe a hovercar?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 7:25pm:

pain-killers like morphine and other strong opiates that they can't stop the pain? link

Some of those jellyfish can be pretty dangerous, Herbie.

FD?

Aussie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 8:25pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:50pm: Perhaps it hitched a ride in someone's wetsuit. And that person in that same wetsuit, swam from where to where without getting out of the water?

Exactly. We call them east australian cunnts Aussie.

freediver wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 8:25pm: freediver wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:50pm: Perhaps it hitched a ride in someone's wetsuit. And that person in that same wetsuit, swam from where to where without getting out of the water? Exactly. We call them east australian cunnts Aussie.

We even give them awards.

Hundreds of miles of 'Pacific Paradise' coastline 'golden sands' beaches to swim in but they're all but deserted all year round - for tourists and locals alike - all because of these little cubes of jellyfish.

The government should get marine biologists to figure out how to permanently eradicate these little beasties in order to make its habitat safe for swimming. 

Gordon wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

They're tiny and we're only described in the 1960s. No doubt they've been that far south before, and will again. I got the crap bitten out of me by swarms of killer march flies last time I was on Fraser Is. Horrid part of the world ;)

Yeah the March Flies over on & around Fraser are as big as B52 Bombers & they pack a wallop when they bite.

But small sandflies that inhabit all the coastal mangrove areas are worse.

They come in swarms .. ..in your eyes, ears, up your nose ... every bare bit of skin,  even up your shorts leg ... so going commando isn't smart.

And they itch for days ... sometimes a week or more.

Oh & then there's the larger biting midges.

Aussie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 7:42pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:36pm: There are a lot of small bits of hard coral growing in southern QLD and northern NSW. The one they caught off Frazer is an infant, so there must also be parents around the same place.  Nasty.

"Infant"? They are extremely small ... that's why they had previously never been seen.


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Irukandji jellyfish are any of several similar, extremely venomous species of box jellyfish. With an adult size of roughly a cubic centimetre, they are both one of the smallest and most venomous jellyfish in the world.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10^th, 2018 at 7:03pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:32pm: First time 2 years ago. Funny thing ocean currents. What do you want to put it down to Herb? Global warming? It's feckin summer here on the Fraser Coast. Biggest tides of the year happening. A once in 150 year super blue blood moon will push the tides & currents around a bit more on the 31st January. Why don't you change your name to Al Gore? You old Man Bear Pig you.  :P Yes they think it is moving south due to warmer waters Quote: Deadly Irukandji Jellyfish are drifting further south along Queensland's coastline Toxicologist professor Jamie Seymour has "little doubt" Irukandji will keep moving down to the Gold and Sunshine Coasts after a stinger was found at Fraser Island on Sunday. Mr Seymour cited warmer sea temperatures as the reason Irukandji could become a regular occurrence at Mooloolaba, and even as far south as Coolangatta on the Gold Coast. http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/irukandji-stinger-found-off-fraser-island/news-story/f5865b7784a822091abda5734e11cf57

The waters are always warmer in summer. ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 5:44am:

Hundreds of miles of 'Pacific Paradise' coastline 'golden sands' beaches to swim in but they're all but deserted all year round - for tourists and locals alike - all because of these little cubes of jellyfish. The government should get marine biologists to figure out how to permanently eradicate these little beasties in order to make its habitat safe for swimming.

Rubbish Herb. The further north you go the more nasties in the water.

And not just Irukandji, they are a relatively recent phenomenon .... how about their larger cousin the Box Jelly or Stinger?

How about sharks? .... & last but not least our largest reptile .... that is also heading further & further south.

CROCODILES!!

That's what keeps people out of the water ...... & they can come up out of the water on to the beach for a snack.

But also the tourists themselves ruin these destinations by continual stubborn/lazy actions & ignorance in dumping their fish frames & waste into the waters not far from where they are staying.

It not only attracts crocs but large sharks(bull) as well.

The same thing happens around & near the creek & boat ramp where I go fishing every year north of Rockhampton.

The local council provide a fish dump on land away from any water ways where the frames & waste can be picked over by crows & hawks.

https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/could-dead-fish-have-lured-crocodile-that-took-man/3303642/

Gnads wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 9:05am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:41pm: They're tiny and we're only described in the 1960s. No doubt they've been that far south before, and will again. I got the crap bitten out of me by swarms of killer march flies last time I was on Fraser Is. Horrid part of the world ;) Yeah the March Flies over on & around Fraser are as big as B52 Bombers & they pack a wallop when they bite. But small sandflies that inhabit all the coastal mangrove areas are worse. They come in swarms .. ..in your eyes, ears, up your nose ... every bare bit of skin,  even up your shorts leg ... so going commando isn't smart. And they itch for days ... sometimes a week or more. Oh & then there's the larger biting midges.

Beautiful one day, deadly the next....  :o

Gnads wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 9:05am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:41pm: They're tiny and we're only described in the 1960s. No doubt they've been that far south before, and will again. I got the crap bitten out of me by swarms of killer march flies last time I was on Fraser Is. Horrid part of the world ;) Yeah the March Flies over on & around Fraser are as big as B52 Bombers & they pack a wallop when they bite. But small sandflies that inhabit all the coastal mangrove areas are worse. They come in swarms .. ..in your eyes, ears, up your nose ... every bare bit of skin,  even up your shorts leg ... so going commando isn't smart. And they itch for days ... sometimes a week or more. Oh & then there's the larger biting midges.

Dear Jesus!

Why .... I say WHY haven't the CSIRO boffins come up with a spray-on that keeps these bitey pests at bay!

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 11:41am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:05am: Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:41pm: They're tiny and we're only described in the 1960s. No doubt they've been that far south before, and will again. I got the crap bitten out of me by swarms of killer march flies last time I was on Fraser Is. Horrid part of the world ;) Yeah the March Flies over on & around Fraser are as big as B52 Bombers & they pack a wallop when they bite. But small sandflies that inhabit all the coastal mangrove areas are worse. They come in swarms .. ..in your eyes, ears, up your nose ... every bare bit of skin,  even up your shorts leg ... so going commando isn't smart. And they itch for days ... sometimes a week or more. Oh & then there's the larger biting midges. Dear Jesus! Why .... I say WHY haven't the CSIRO boffins come up with a spray-on that keeps these bitey pests at bay!

My mate lives up north and he reckons many people use coconut oil to keep the midges from biting herb.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 5:44am:

Hundreds of miles of 'Pacific Paradise' coastline 'golden sands' beaches to swim in but they're all but deserted all year round - for tourists and locals alike - all because of these little cubes of jellyfish. The government should get marine biologists to figure out how to permanently eradicate these little beasties in order to make its habitat safe for swimming.

Ever done the drive from Brisbane to FNQ?

Sorry QLDers but IMHO from about Bundy onwards is the least attractive of any Australian coastline.

I swear by vegimite for sand flys and mosquitos.....and lots of it. Consume it a week before you go and keep eating it while there. Thick layered on toast.
Works for me.

Gnads wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 9:42am:

Rubbish Herb. The further north you go the more nasties in the water.

... er ... yes ... that's what I've just said.


Gnads wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 9:42am:

And not just Irukandji, they are a relatively recent phenomenon .... how about their larger cousin the Box Jelly or Stinger?

... er ... yes ... I didn't know I was obliged to list the entire host of coastal nasties.


Gnads wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 9:42am:

How about sharks? .... & last but not least our largest reptile .... that is also heading further & further south. CROCODILES!!

Gee ... those never occurred to me ...  8-)


Gnads wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 9:42am:

That's what keeps people out of the water ...... & they can come up out of the water on to the beach for a snack. But also the tourists themselves ruin these destinations by continual stubborn/lazy actions & ignorance in dumping their fish frames & waste into the waters not far from where they are staying. It not only attracts crocs but large sharks(bull) as well. The same thing happens around & near the creek & boat ramp where I go fishing every year north of Rockhampton. The local council provide a fish dump on land away from any water ways where the frames & waste can be picked over by crows & hawks. https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/could-dead-fish-have-lured-crocodile-that-took-man/3303642/

... er ... yes, well, where are the Council Rangers? But in the Fair Dinkum department you're going to get sharks coming in close to the beaches regardless of burley from irresponsible anglers.

Off-shore drum-line netting is the only answer to the crocs and shark problem, unless you can fly a trio of drones where they can spot any predators heading for the shore.

I'm ALSO experimenting with the idea that a colourless dye can be sprayed over the swimming beach waters which when comes into contact with these jellyfish beasties turns them a bright red or yellow for identification from drones.

Gordon wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 11:49am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 5:44am: Hundreds of miles of 'Pacific Paradise' coastline 'golden sands' beaches to swim in but they're all but deserted all year round - for tourists and locals alike - all because of these little cubes of jellyfish. The government should get marine biologists to figure out how to permanently eradicate these little beasties in order to make its habitat safe for swimming.  Ever done the drive from Brisbane to FNQ? Sorry QLDers but IMHO from about Bundy onwards is the least attractive of any Australian coastline.

You're dead right. I drive it at night. Much easier.
That part of the coast is supposed to be traveled via boat out on the reef.
The towns are nice though. Lucinda is nice. It's in the Hinchinbrook area.

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 11:49am:

I swear by vegimite for sand flys and mosquitos.....and lots of it. Consume it a week before you go and keep eating it while there. Thick layered on toast. Works for me.

During my Vodka boozing days mosquitoes and flies gave me a wide berth. Backyard barbies held no fears for me.

Gnads wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 9:05am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:41pm: They're tiny and we're only described in the 1960s. No doubt they've been that far south before, and will again. I got the crap bitten out of me by swarms of killer march flies last time I was on Fraser Is. Horrid part of the world ;) Yeah the March Flies over on & around Fraser are as big as B52 Bombers & they pack a wallop when they bite. But small sandflies that inhabit all the coastal mangrove areas are worse. They come in swarms .. ..in your eyes, ears, up your nose ... every bare bit of skin,  even up your shorts leg ... so going commando isn't smart. And they itch for days ... sometimes a week or more. Oh & then there's the larger biting midges.

I hiked Fraser, from the Wanggoolba creek ferry landing to Lake McKenzie, up to Lake Garawongera, across to the coast then down to the Inskip ferry.

4 days/3 nights of abject misery being devoured by insects.

Gordon wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 12:29pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:05am: Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:41pm: They're tiny and we're only described in the 1960s. No doubt they've been that far south before, and will again. I got the crap bitten out of me by swarms of killer march flies last time I was on Fraser Is. Horrid part of the world ;) Yeah the March Flies over on & around Fraser are as big as B52 Bombers & they pack a wallop when they bite. But small sandflies that inhabit all the coastal mangrove areas are worse. They come in swarms .. ..in your eyes, ears, up your nose ... every bare bit of skin,  even up your shorts leg ... so going commando isn't smart. And they itch for days ... sometimes a week or more. Oh & then there's the larger biting midges. I hiked Fraser, from the Wanggoolba creek ferry landing to Lake McKenzie, up to Lake Garawongera, across to the coast then down to the Inskip ferry. 4 days/3 nights of abject misery being devoured by insects.

;D
Did anyone warn you about what you were about to do?
I've driven all over fraser and I would never attempt to hike that far.
The sheer size of the island is very overwhelming.

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 12:33pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 12:29pm: Gnads wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:05am: Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:41pm: They're tiny and we're only described in the 1960s. No doubt they've been that far south before, and will again. I got the crap bitten out of me by swarms of killer march flies last time I was on Fraser Is. Horrid part of the world ;) Yeah the March Flies over on & around Fraser are as big as B52 Bombers & they pack a wallop when they bite. But small sandflies that inhabit all the coastal mangrove areas are worse. They come in swarms .. ..in your eyes, ears, up your nose ... every bare bit of skin,  even up your shorts leg ... so going commando isn't smart. And they itch for days ... sometimes a week or more. Oh & then there's the larger biting midges. I hiked Fraser, from the Wanggoolba creek ferry landing to Lake McKenzie, up to Lake Garawongera, across to the coast then down to the Inskip ferry. 4 days/3 nights of abject misery being devoured by insects. ;D Did anyone warn you about what you were about to do? I've driven all over fraser and I would never attempt to hike that far. The sheer size of the island is very overwhelming.

Wasn't warned about the march flies. The mozzies and sandflies were repelled by deet but not the march flies.

We did about 100ks, the physical side was OK and we actually jogged most of it as the march flies seemed to leave us alone when jogging. Any downtime was spent sheltering under mozzie nets.

We were better off when it was only Mexicans.... now everybody wants a piece of the action...

Gordon wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 12:29pm:

I hiked Fraser, from the Wanggoolba creek ferry landing to Lake McKenzie, up to Lake Garawongera, across to the coast then down to the Inskip ferry. 4 days/3 nights of abject misery being devoured by insects.

Jesus.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 11:44am:

My mate lives up north and he reckons many people use coconut oil to keep the midges from biting herb.

If I lived up in those parts I would do my own experimenting with insect deterrents.

I would try everything.

WD40
Whiskey
Liquid Garlic
Vinegar

etc.

BUT! Surely the Abos in those parts know a few secrets about how not to get stung by all those critters?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 1:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 11:44am: My mate lives up north and he reckons many people use coconut oil to keep the midges from biting herb. If I lived up in those parts I would do my own experimenting with insect deterrents. I would try everything. WD40 Whiskey Liquid Garlic Vinegar etc. BUT! Surely the Abos in those parts know a few secrets about how not to get stung by all those critters?

Don't live there....

I have heard of a mixture of vinegar, metho and detol mixed evenly and then about 50ml of baby oil.
Never used it but some old fishos I know swear by it.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 11:41am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:05am: Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:41pm: They're tiny and we're only described in the 1960s. No doubt they've been that far south before, and will again. I got the crap bitten out of me by swarms of killer march flies last time I was on Fraser Is. Horrid part of the world ;) Yeah the March Flies over on & around Fraser are as big as B52 Bombers & they pack a wallop when they bite. But small sandflies that inhabit all the coastal mangrove areas are worse. They come in swarms .. ..in your eyes, ears, up your nose ... every bare bit of skin,  even up your shorts leg ... so going commando isn't smart. And they itch for days ... sometimes a week or more. Oh & then there's the larger biting midges. Dear Jesus! Why .... I say WHY haven't the CSIRO boffins come up with a spray-on that keeps these bitey pests at bay!

there are plenty of repellants Herb.

Gordon wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 11:49am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 5:44am: Hundreds of miles of 'Pacific Paradise' coastline 'golden sands' beaches to swim in but they're all but deserted all year round - for tourists and locals alike - all because of these little cubes of jellyfi The government should get marine biologists to figure out how to permanently eradicate these little beasties in order to make its habitat safe for swimming.  Ever done the drive from Brisbane to FNQ? Sorry QLDers but IMHO from about Bundy onwards is the least attractive of any Australian coastline.

From Bundy to Clareview you're no where near the coast.

There's nowt wrong with the variety beyond there.

And if you want to see beautiful places you have to get off the highway.

Have you been to Rules Beach, Agnes Waters/1770? Corio Bay, 5 Rocks, Stanage Bay?(crook road in but that has advantages), Cape Palmerston, Cape Hillsborough?

And many many more.

Don't forget that also once you're past Bundy ... the coast is protected somewhat by the Great Barrier Reef.

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Don't forget that also once you're past Bundy ... the coast is protected somewhat by the Great Barrier Reef.

ie, a lot of mangrove swamp

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 11^th, 2018 at 3:50pm:

I have heard of a mixture of vinegar, metho and detol mixed evenly and then about 50ml of baby oil. Never used it but some old fishos I know swear by it.

DDT the bastards - let God sort 'em out...

Turtles are the main predator of the Irukandji, turtles are endangered because feral pigs are feasting on their nests.

Feral pigs were under control in Qld before Howards gun laws , many young people were shooting feral pigs back then with semi auto rifles.


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Deadline looms for groups fighting turtle vs feral pig war LOCAL environmental groups have a month to apply for funding to help protect marine turtles from the damage of feral pigs up and down Queensland's coastline. The $7 million joint state and federal funding was opened for applications on Sunday, as part of wider efforts to reduce the impact of feral pigs and other predators on threatened turtles. Federal Environment Minister Greg Hunt said the funding could go to "control measures", including aerial and ground pig shooting, baiting, and nest protection devices at key areas. "Destruction of turtle nests, eggs and newly hatched baby turtles by feral pigs and other predators are the main threats to turtle populations along the Queensland coast," he said. "In some areas up to 90% of turtle nests are lost to predation by feral pigs." https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/Deadline-looms-for-groups-fighting-turtle-vs-pigs/2378401/

Gnads wrote on Jan 9^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

A once in 150 year super blue blood moon will push the tides & currents around a bit more on the 31st January.

I blue moon will do nothing for tides. A supermoon -- being closer to Earth's orbit -- might do something to tidal heights. But this is all dependant on positioning of the moon over the Pacific.

Indigenous Jellyfish - the mind boggles....