Here we go, the slippery slide, all aboard.

Only thing is, they have Trump

Here is a link to the story if anyone is interested???

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42232162

You do realise that anti discrimination laws already exist that make it an offence to deny services based on someone's sexuality....If we allow this discrimination against one minority then the door is open for others to discriminate against anyone for any religious bullshit they choose to use for justification....These same people would no doubt complain if their business was targeted by one of these minority groups and lost customers....Discrimination should never be condoned and isn't???

::) ::) ::)

If we were to wake up some morning and find that everyone was the same race, creed and color, we would find some other cause for prejudice by noon.
George Aiken

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

Here is a link to the story if anyone is interested??? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42232162 You do realise that anti discrimination laws already exist that make it an offence to deny services based on someone's sexuality....If we allow this discrimination against one minority then the door is open for others to discriminate against anyone for any religious bullshit they choose to use for justification....These same people would no doubt complain if their business was targeted by one of these minority groups and lost customers....Discrimination should never be condoned and isn't??? ::) ::) ::) If we were to wake up some morning and find that everyone was the same race, creed and color, we would find some other cause for prejudice by noon. George Aiken

So what is wrong with discrimination again?
Do you have a favourite colour?  Food? Music?
Surely every time YOU make a choice YOU discriminate.
If we have freedom of religion as per UN human rights, then how can you say people cannot discriminate based on their religious beliefs?
Would you make Muslims eat Pork? :D

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views???

:-? :-? :-?

Grendel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:24pm: Here is a link to the story if anyone is interested??? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42232162 You do realise that anti discrimination laws already exist that make it an offence to deny services based on someone's sexuality....If we allow this discrimination against one minority then the door is open for others to discriminate against anyone for any religious bullshit they choose to use for justification....These same people would no doubt complain if their business was targeted by one of these minority groups and lost customers....Discrimination should never be condoned and isn't??? ::) ::) ::) If we were to wake up some morning and find that everyone was the same race, creed and color, we would find some other cause for prejudice by noon. George Aiken So what is wrong with discrimination again? Do you have a favourite colour?  Food? Music? Surely every time YOU make a choice YOU discriminate. If we have freedom of religion as per UN human rights, then how can you say people cannot discriminate based on their religious beliefs? Would you make Muslims eat Pork? :D

I have no problem with people discriminating against colours, food, music or pork!!!

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings? No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views??? :-? :-? :-?

I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings? No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views??? :-? :-? :-? I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it.

For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver???

;) ;) ;)

The "slippery slope" for society is the normalisation of the various neurosis that prevent people from forming relationships with the opposite sex.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings? No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views??? :-? :-? :-? I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it. For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver??? ;) ;) ;)

Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable.

The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings? No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views??? :-? :-? :-? I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it. For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver??? ;) ;) ;) Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable. The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights.

IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!!

;) ;) ;)

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings?

- involving big long tongue kisses in front of everyone.   ;D

So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably  force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 2:19am:

So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably  force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.

It is illegal to discriminate against a person because of their sexual orientation. They can not refuse to make a cake for a gay couple, just as Raven could not not do the same for a ranga.

The business in question is actually pretty stupid, there is a plethora of reasons they could have used to not make the cake. But they decided to go with the "I don't like faggots" reason.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings? No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views??? :-? :-? :-?

Yes.
The buisiness has every right too.
Try and order bacon at a muslim owned KFC. They refuse to serve you.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings? No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views??? :-? :-? :-? I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it. For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver??? ;) ;) ;) Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable. The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights. IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!! ;) ;) ;)

You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 2:19am:

So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably  force an honest business man to lose his livelihood.

I agree let market forces decide. Don't want to sell cakes to gay weddings, forget having my patronage.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 9:13am:

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 2:19am: So many of you have gone so far down the road to Bizarro world that you can't see that a business owner once had Rights too. The fair thing is that the Baker in this case loses a sale. Forcing him to perform services he won't do otherwise is a form of Slavery. "We reserve the Right to refuse service to anyone" was once recognized as the owners freedom of choice. Now a pair of rump rangers and the courts of Colorado will probably  force an honest business man to lose his livelihood. 1. I agree let market forces decide. 2. Don't want to sell cakes to gay weddings, forget having my patronage.

1. AGREED.

2. MEH!

Solution:-

"OK - Joe's Patisserie driver here with your wedding cake, Gays... (oops)... stumbled and fell there... SO-RRY!  We'll get you another one next week..... the chef is off sick...."   :P

I wouldn't want to eat a cake ! forced someone to make. Or any other food for that matter!

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

Solution:- "OK - Joe's Patisserie driver here with your wedding cake, Gays... (oops)... stumbled and fell there... SO-RRY!  We'll get you another one next week..... the chef is off sick...."   :P

Thats a see you in court for failure to fulfill contract.

Lambie brought up the possibility of this happening here on Q&A the other week. Geez society is getting bloody complicated.

Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from...
YUCK!!!

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:06pm:

Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from... YUCK!!!

Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm: Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from... YUCK!!! Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk?

You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. ;D ;D

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm: Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from... YUCK!!! Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk? You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. ;D ;D

How would that get back at them?

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm: Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from... YUCK!!! Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk? You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. ;D ;D

But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the coutnry by allowing SSM are focussed on masturbation?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation?

It's a mystery.

And why do all the homophobic males think about men?

When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other.

Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure.

I guess we're just different.

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm: Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from... YUCK!!! Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk? You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. ;D ;D But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway.

Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:16pm: Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation? It's a mystery. And why do all the homophobic males think about men? When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other. Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure. I guess we're just different.

No  Pecca. We just don't like people telling us how to think and what to believe.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm: Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from... YUCK!!! Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk? You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. ;D ;D But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway. Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go.

Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/23/b3/6b23b3e899690472015361c407a2ac69.jpg

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:24pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm: Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from... YUCK!!! Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk? You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. ;D ;D But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway. Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go. Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/23/b3/6b23b3e899690472015361c407a2ac69.jpg

The gays I know don't really have a problem with vaginas.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:22pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:16pm: Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation? It's a mystery. And why do all the homophobic males think about men? When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other. Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure. I guess we're just different. No  Pecca.

Yes.

You always think about gay men, when discussing homosexuality.

Why is that?

My mind immediately turns to two women, in bed together.

Yours turns to two men, in a toilet block together.

What's with that?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:28pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:24pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm: Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from... YUCK!!! Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk? You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. ;D ;D But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway. Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go. Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/23/b3/6b23b3e899690472015361c407a2ac69.jpg The gays I know don't really have a problem with vaginas.

For the same reason I've never had a problem with being eaten by a t-rex. I've never seen on  ;D ;D ;D

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:28pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:24pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm: Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from... YUCK!!! Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk? You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. ;D ;D But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway. Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go. Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/23/b3/6b23b3e899690472015361c407a2ac69.jpg The gays I know don't really have a problem with vaginas.

The gay women I know love them.

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:24pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:09pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:06pm: Gay wedding cake, I wonder what the icing is made from... YUCK!!! Powdered sugar, butter (or margarine), vanilla, and milk? You know god botherers could get back at gays for having to make them a cake Pecca? Jack off into the batter. ;D ;D But they'd like that, they probably all have a circle jerk around the cake before they cut it anyway. Yeah, I suppose that blows that idea out of the water. Pooh would wet their appetites also. Baking a big swastika into the icing might be the go. Nah they're probably also into scat. Just decorate the cake with these and they'll all run around screaming flapping their arms. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/23/b3/6b23b3e899690472015361c407a2ac69.jpg

;D ;D ;D ;D That would do it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:22pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:16pm: Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation? It's a mystery. And why do all the homophobic males think about men? When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other. Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure. I guess we're just different. No  Pecca. Yes. You always think about gay men, when discussing homosexuality. Why is that? My mind immediately turns to two women, in bed together. Yours turns to two men, in a toilet block together. What's with that?

Isn't the topic about p oofters?

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings? No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views??? :-? :-? :-? I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it. For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver??? ;) ;) ;) Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable. The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights. IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!! ;) ;) ;) You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone.

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against???

:-? :-? :-? 

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings? No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views??? :-? :-? :-? I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it. For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver??? ;) ;) ;) Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable. The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights. IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!! ;) ;) ;) You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone. Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?

What about if a Muslim baker doesn't want to make a cake for a Christian wedding? Is that allowed?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?

I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question.

Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:43pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings? No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views??? :-? :-? :-? I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it. For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver??? ;) ;) ;) Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable. The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights. IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!! ;) ;) ;) You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone. Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  What about if a Muslim baker doesn't want to make a cake for a Christian wedding? Is that allowed?

No....The racial /sexual discrimination act makes it an offence to withhold services to anyone based on their religion, sexual orientation or race....The law applies to everyone at present with or without SSM!!!

::) ::) ::)

http://www.humanrights.gov.au/employers/good-practice-good-business-factsheets/racial-discrimination

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:43pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings? No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views??? :-? :-? :-? I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it. For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver??? ;) ;) ;) Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable. The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights. IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!! ;) ;) ;) You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone. Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  What about if a Muslim baker doesn't want to make a cake for a Christian wedding? Is that allowed? No....The racial /sexual discrimination act makes it an offence to withhold services to anyone based on their religion, sexual orientation or race....The law applies to everyone at present with or without SSM!!! ::) ::) ::) http://www.humanrights.gov.au/employers/good-practice-good-business-factsheets/racial-discrimination

Well how about we get rid of halal food which discriminates against non certified food?

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though.

So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!!

:-? :-? :-?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:16pm: Why is it all the people worried about the moral fibre of the country by allowing SSM are focused on masturbation? It's a mystery. And why do all the homophobic males think about men? When I think about gays, I picture young women, in white cotton panties, kissing each other. Gordon, Hammer, Herbert, et al, on the other hand, picture two blokes either having anal sex, or giving each other oral pleasure. I guess we're just different.

Greggy,
this is not a forum to discuss your homosexual fantasies.

Try a gay forum.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-?

No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings? No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views??? :-? :-? :-? Yes. The buisiness has every right too. Try and order bacon at a muslim owned KFC. They refuse to serve you.

WTF....Firstly a Muslim owned KFC would probably not have bacon on the menu so you could not order it anyway and if they did have bacon on the menu why would they refuse to sell it....You are taking the piss right???

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Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

No one is forcing you to buy from an Halal butcher....It is up to the individual if they want to purchase certain products....You people are kidding right???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? No one is forcing you to buy from an Halal butcher....It is up to the individual if they want to purchase certain products....You people are kidding right??? :-? :-? :-?

If it was just a halal butcher I wouldn't have a problem. But now it's on loads of items we've been eating for years. Isn't that discrimination against Christians?

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing?

Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products.

Maybe Hammer cannot read the label???

;) ;) ;)

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:04pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? No one is forcing you to buy from an Halal butcher....It is up to the individual if they want to purchase certain products....You people are kidding right??? :-? :-? :-? If it was just a halal butcher I wouldn't have a problem. But now it's on loads of items we've been eating for years. Isn't that discrimination against Christians?

All Halal products are labelled as such so those wishing to purchase the product know it is certified Halal....I cannot believe you could not work that out for yourself???

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;)

Time for Hammer to change the subject.

Stand by for "Halal funds terrorism".

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;)

what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL...

at least in the ACT....

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT....

Don't worry Cods, if it is not labelled Halal then it won't be Halal....How do you think people would be able to tell it is certified Halal if it is not labelled....Do you think they guess???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 5:04pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... Don't worry Cods, if it is not labelled Halal then it won't be Halal....How do you think people would be able to tell it is certified Halal if it is not labelled....Do you think they guess??? :-? :-? :-?

not at all pet.....not at all.. I keep reading where shops now sell HALAL meat... so I assume that means all meat sold on  premises  as how the hell would you know... if they run out of halal sausages they didnt pop in a few unhalal one..  ::) ::)


just sayin thats all....you would need to be very trustworthy  cant think of anyone these days I would give that Label too!!!! :) :)

you must have huge faith in labels phil!

Cake maker.... "sorry homos but the dog ate it"
This will set a precedent in all sorts of ways and not just for ssm.
Watch the poofs come out of closet and hunt down anyone who have any beliefs different to them, fully backed by the do-gooders, the lawyers are in for a windfall as society gets choked.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:04pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? No one is forcing you to buy from an Halal butcher....It is up to the individual if they want to purchase certain products....You people are kidding right??? :-? :-? :-? If it was just a halal butcher I wouldn't have a problem. But now it's on loads of items we've been eating for years. Isn't that discrimination against Christians?

How? They are not preventing you from buying that product because you are a Christian.

Companies that have a halal certification have done so as part of a business model more then a religious reason. It opens their product to a market of more then a billion people.

Companies exist to make profit. Excluding a potential goldmine of consumers makes little sense.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:59am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:36pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:22pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 8:05pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:49pm: freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Phil are you saying that Churches can be forced to hold gay weddings? No....Are you saying it is ok for any business to discriminate and withhold services against someone based on their religious views??? :-? :-? :-? I haven't made up my mind on this one yet. Consider, for example, the scenario where employees of a catering firm are forced to attend an orgy to serve people sushi. I think it's more about the type of service being offered than the religious views of the people offering it. For me it is a slippery slope to prejudice....Do you still have an all white bar in your local country pub Freediver??? ;) ;) ;) Pretty much. The aborigines tend to hang out in the one bar. By choice, I would expect. But you see less of them in the pub these days so it is not as noticeable. The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. You have to draw the line somewhere. You don't draw the line, then shift it way over there just in case it slips in the wrong direction. Otherwise you are saying one groups rights are more important than another's. If you cannot see the rights problem for both sides here, you have already abandoned human rights. IMO human rights should extend to everyone equally....Why would religious people want to discriminate against gay people anyway considering their violent history of trying to find acceptance and relevance....IMO laws should not be made to give any special treatment to religious discrimination....Let them eat cake!!! ;) ;) ;) You are not getting it Phil. Whichever side wins this one, the same rights will apply to everyone. Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell.

Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side?

Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding?

Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy?

Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-?

People should be allowed to discriminate. When you choose a girlfriend, you discriminate. The issue of discrimination is about the government discrimination, not private discrimination.

The only limit I would prescribe is in the case of unfair dismissal, where an employer finds out about a person religion, belief after hiring them based on merit.

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

As far as I know, the people in this case were prepared to serve the gay couple. It was a specific product they were not willing to sell. Do you consider it a fundamental human right to compel people to do something they do not want to do? If not, why do you keep banging on about the rights of one side? Should we be allowed to compel a halal butcher to serve bacon at a pagan wedding? Should we be allowed to compel a catering company and its employees to turn up and serve food at an orgy? Why are you unable to appreciate the rights implications for both groups of people

exactly   everything seems so one sided...

it wont stop at cakes...what if a gay couple wish to hire  the hall for their reception in a church hall....

why should anyone be FORCED into accepting that order for fear of litigation.?  ..

its supposed to be a give and take world...80% of people voted and most voted for this legislation....

they did not vote to create another minority group..

who are expected to put all their religious beliefs aside.. for fear of being sued out of business.

what good does that achieve... more disent more hatred  we dont need...

Gay people took the country to task  asking for a fair deal..... well now the boot is on the other foot....a minority group is asking for a fair deal...

there are plenty of cake makers.. and plenty of churches.....it will I am sure only be a small group that will not accept these orders...

like not going to war because you do not believe in killing...its allowed...and so it should be!

READ THOROUGHLY



Johnnie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 4:54pm:

Here we go, the slippery slide, all aboard.

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 7:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 4:48pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 1:22pm: bogarde73 wrote on Dec 5th, 2017 at 9:55am: Turnbull says he'll vote for them even though he doesn't think they're necessary. ... and he's 100% CORRECT Currently the church can refuse to marry any couple they choose to Look no further than the catholic church and divorcees A self employed marriage celebrant has the same right to refuse As does a wedding cake baker The latter are retail contracts - and require two parties in agreement to be binding If a government employed registry office celebrant can't perform his job - as determined by Australian law - it's time he found a new career Yeah, you're wrong... https://aclu-co.org/court-rules-bakery-illegally-discriminated-against-gay-couple/ You're confusing Colorado law, with Australian law I worked in retail for close to forty years And as a representative of the company I exercised my legal right NOT to enter into a retail sale contact on many occasions - with many people I'm sure you've had times when your local publican has applied this right, also ?

Gosh, I hope they don't discriminate against drunk people.

Try getting into a night club for rich folks if you don't have expensive clothes on. Discrimination is everywhere. I hope it's not only straight white people who are going to be targeted. Australia was once a place so free. Now it's turning into a smacking prison.

cods wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT....

If it's Halal, the label will say so.

What's the problem?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... If it's Halal, the label will say so. What's the problem?

When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... If it's Halal, the label will say so. What's the problem? When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea.

Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate.

Again, what's the problem?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... If it's Halal, the label will say so. What's the problem? When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea. Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate. Again, what's the problem?

Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... If it's Halal, the label will say so. What's the problem? When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea. Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate. Again, what's the problem? Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit.

Why would I be having a fit?

Religious certification of food is of no concern to me.

Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits.

The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists.

It's a non-issue.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... If it's Halal, the label will say so. What's the problem? When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea. Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate. Again, what's the problem? Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit. Why would I be having a fit? Religious certification of food is of no concern to me. Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits. The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists. It's a non-issue.

I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.

All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake.

It must be the End Times.   ;D

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... If it's Halal, the label will say so. What's the problem? When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea. Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate. Again, what's the problem? Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit. Why would I be having a fit? Religious certification of food is of no concern to me. Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits. The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists. It's a non-issue. I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield.

I don't see any 'bending'.

I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases.

If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it.

How much simpler could it be?

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:

All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake. It must be the End Times.   ;D

Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... If it's Halal, the label will say so. What's the problem? When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea. Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate. Again, what's the problem? Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit. Why would I be having a fit? Religious certification of food is of no concern to me. Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits. The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists. It's a non-issue. I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield. I don't see any 'bending'. I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases. If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it. How much simpler could it be?

So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... If it's Halal, the label will say so. What's the problem? When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea. Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate. Again, what's the problem? Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit. Why would I be having a fit? Religious certification of food is of no concern to me. Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits. The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists. It's a non-issue. I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield. I don't see any 'bending'. I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases. If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it. How much simpler could it be? So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ?

It does.

If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it.

Where's the problem?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:45pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... If it's Halal, the label will say so. What's the problem? When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea. Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate. Again, what's the problem? Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit. Why would I be having a fit? Religious certification of food is of no concern to me. Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits. The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists. It's a non-issue. I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield. I don't see any 'bending'. I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases. If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it. How much simpler could it be? So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ? It does. If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it. Where's the problem?

Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:

All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake. It must be the End Times.   ;D

Poofs are calling it the BELL END times.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm: All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake. It must be the End Times.   ;D Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby.

We know what's being pushed.  ;)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm: All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake. It must be the End Times.   ;D Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby. We know what's being pushed.  ;)

:-X

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:47pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:45pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... If it's Halal, the label will say so. What's the problem? When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea. Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate. Again, what's the problem? Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit. Why would I be having a fit? Religious certification of food is of no concern to me. Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits. The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists. It's a non-issue. I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield. I don't see any 'bending'. I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases. If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it. How much simpler could it be? So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ? It does. If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it. Where's the problem? Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before.

There's no problem now.

Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like.

What could be simpler?

Gordon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm: All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake. It must be the End Times.   ;D Poofs are calling it the BELL END times.

Arse end even  ;D

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm: All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake. It must be the End Times.   ;D Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby. We know what's being pushed.  ;)

And where.... ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:47pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:45pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... If it's Halal, the label will say so. What's the problem? When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea. Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate. Again, what's the problem? Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit. Why would I be having a fit? Religious certification of food is of no concern to me. Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits. The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists. It's a non-issue. I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield. I don't see any 'bending'. I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases. If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it. How much simpler could it be? So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ? It does. If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it. Where's the problem? Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before. There's no problem now. Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like. What could be simpler?

Well gays can get their cakes done at places agreeable with their lifestyle. It's their consumer choice.

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:42pm: All this nonsense about a poofter wedding cake. It must be the End Times.   ;D Because they are pushing this through without thinking about the ordinary aussie business owner Bobby. We know what's being pushed.  ;) And where.... ;D

Let's not say Lisa but can we agree that it must be the End Times?

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:47pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:45pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... If it's Halal, the label will say so. What's the problem? When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea. Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate. Again, what's the problem? Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit. Why would I be having a fit? Religious certification of food is of no concern to me. Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits. The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists. It's a non-issue. I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield. I don't see any 'bending'. I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases. If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it. How much simpler could it be? So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ? It does. If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it. Where's the problem? Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before. There's no problem now. Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like. What could be simpler? Well gays can get their cakes done at places agreeable with their lifestyle. It's their consumer choice.

Absolutely.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 8:03pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:47pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:45pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... If it's Halal, the label will say so. What's the problem? When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea. Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate. Again, what's the problem? Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit. Why would I be having a fit? Religious certification of food is of no concern to me. Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits. The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists. It's a non-issue. I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield. I don't see any 'bending'. I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases. If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it. How much simpler could it be? So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ? It does. If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it. Where's the problem? Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before. There's no problem now. Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like. What could be simpler? Well gays can get their cakes done at places agreeable with their lifestyle. It's their consumer choice. Absolutely.

That's solved then.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 8:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:03pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:47pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:45pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:36pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:08pm: cods wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:01pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 3:39pm: Lets say someone has a problem with blacks, Muslims or Asians (any minority) for what ever reason....Should they be allowed to withhold services from these individuals....Remember the same right to discriminate will apply to everyone....Or is it just gay people who can be discriminated against??? :-? :-? :-?  I predict that Hammer won't answer that question. Unless there's a good reason , then no. I respect religious beliefs when it comes to homosexuality though. So religious people should be treated differently to everyone else and be allowed to discriminate....You do realise the ramifications if such a law was allowed to pass....As homosexuality is not a crime and SSM will become law then there is no legal basis to allow discrimination against homosexuals because of your beliefs....Parliament could enact religious exemptions though which would make it legal to do so....We will have to wait and see but I doubt the legislation to allow religious objection will pass!!! :-? :-? :-? No lefties  had a problem with Muslims forcing halal products on the Australian Christian consumer without their knowing? Nobody is forced to buy or use Halal products. Maybe Hammer cannot read the label??? ;) ;) ;) what labels that phil?.....I have searched my supermarket meat labels  and not one of them mentions HALAL or not HALAL... at least in the ACT.... If it's Halal, the label will say so. What's the problem? When did they ask us if we want Allah certifying our Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate??? I'm sure Christians wouldn't like the idea. Well if they don't like the idea, don't buy the chocolate. Again, what's the problem? Why should we have to bend for immigrants? We were here first. How would be go down if loads of our best known products were certified by Christianity. You'd be having a Pecca fit. Why would I be having a fit? Religious certification of food is of no concern to me. Christians can certify every single product on the supermarket shelves, and it would have absolutely no affect on my shopping habits. The same goes for Scientologists, Jews, and Buddhists. It's a non-issue. I'm the same. I'm an atheist. But not everybody is us. People have loads of different beliefs. It doesn't mean we have to bend for them all. It makes society a friggen minefield. I don't see any 'bending'. I just see consumers making informed choices about their purchases. If they don't like something about a particular item, don't buy it. How much simpler could it be? So why didn't that logic apply to Muslims ? It does. If they don't like the fact that a certain product isn't certified Halal, they won't buy it. Where's the problem? Well none of them were Halal 20 years ago and now they are. Nobody had a problem before. There's no problem now. Buy the products you like, and don't buy the products you don't like. What could be simpler? Well gays can get their cakes done at places agreeable with their lifestyle. It's their consumer choice. Absolutely. That's solved then.

I didn't see a problem in the first place.