They wouldn't mention that proportionately, Muslims were by far the biggest group to vote against ssm.

If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it

Just an observation

red baron wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 6:34pm:

If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation

100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance.

(Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays.

red baron wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 6:34pm:

If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation

could be.. whats the word... bigots..racists misogynists   
its hard to keep up with all the names us CHristians get called...

never mind matty I am not sure why that surprises you to be honest...

its the ABC your talking about. ;D ;D ;D

I'm a Christian and I voted no but I am comfortable with the result

When you can admit you got it wrong it takes the pressure out of the balloon doesn't it?

matty wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays.

Cognitive dissonance all right. The figures are in. Those most likely to vote no for same sex marriage are, tadddaaaaa, voters in Labor elctorates.

And of course, for the rusted on with goldfish memories, Labor voted against same sex marriage. 

Penny Hypocrite Wong was all smiles yesterday and taking applause. She voted against same sex marriage. There's your integrity, there's your progressives.

Wanna know how good Labor are?  They will put children into detention then in parliament criticise Libs for kiddies in detention.

Wanna know how stupidly partisan luvvie rusted ons are?  If they ever knew, they don't care, it's the team not the principle. 

Just remember folks, matty isn't a sore loser.

red baron wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 6:50pm:

I'm a Christian and I voted no but I am comfortable with the result When you can admit you got it wrong it takes the pressure out of the balloon doesn't it?

its n ot a case of getting it wrong..


we wont find that out for years....when the divorce figures go up and up...lolol


there can only be one winner......thats a fact of life..

I am glad it came in this way   shut them up....oh please take this off the govts must fix list....

its pizzzed me off for years its taken more money and more time and more of everything    than if we were going to WAR.....

lets stop talking about it..

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Just remember folks, matty isn't a sore loser.

unlike you when your strike didnt work...lolololol

lets kick em while their down... ooops   they werent down?????// :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 7:01pm:

red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:50pm: I'm a Christian and I voted no but I am comfortable with the result When you can admit you got it wrong it takes the pressure out of the balloon doesn't it? its n ot a case of getting it wrong.. we wont find that out for years....when the divorce figures go up and up...

More marriages, so it stands to reason that there will be more divorces.

Your point, though, m'am?

One common example of misinformation by ignorance is the claim that Jesus “never said anything about homosexuality.” Robyn J. Whitaker recently argued in The Conversation and on the ABC News website “when it comes to homosexuality there are, at most, six passages of the Bible that are relevant.” After dismissing these passages with arguments that have already been thoroughly refuted, Whitaker concludes, “[the Bible] never condemns same-sex marriage.” Noticeably absent from Whitaker’s piece is any reference to Jesus. Perhaps if we asked her about his view, she’d respond like so many others, “he never mentioned it.”

...

According to the Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament –- one of the standard academic reference texts -– porneia is “every kind of extramarital, unlawful, unnatural sexual intercourse.”

And so when Jesus used the term, that is what he meant. For him, the only appropriate context for sex was marriage.

And finally, Jesus’ definition of marriage is limited to man and woman. In Matthew 19:5 Jesus grounds his definition of marriage in the creation. Quoting Genesis 2, Jesus states God’s original intention in marriage, “a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh” (Matt. 19:5). According to Jesus, marriage is the union of man and woman. This means unless there is both a man and a woman, there is no marriage. Jesus’ own words won’t allow for it. Same-sex couples do not qualify for marriage and every other form of sex falls under the prohibited category of porneia.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2017/11/jesus-never-said-anything-about-homosexuality/

SSM is porneia, legalised porno.

:o

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 7:32pm:

One common example of misinformation by ignorance is the claim that Jesus “never said anything about homosexuality.”

Give me a break.

He was showing the Romans the way through the back door nearly every night.

matty wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays.

But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think?

Rider wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 8:40pm:

matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays. But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think?

And Christians love putting their penises in little boys bottoms.

Your point?

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 7:01pm:

red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:50pm: I'm a Christian and I voted no but I am comfortable with the result When you can admit you got it wrong it takes the pressure out of the balloon doesn't it? its n ot a case of getting it wrong.. we wont find that out for years....when the divorce figures go up and up...lolol there can only be one winner......thats a fact of life.. I am glad it came in this way   shut them up....oh please take this off the govts must fix list.... its pizzzed me off for years its taken more money and more time and more of everything    than if we were going to WAR..... lets stop talking about it..

Divorce figures are going down, mostly due to people actually not getting married....here's to all the millions of gay marriages ... no doubt be the economic equivalent to the ming boom....not.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

Rider wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:40pm: matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays. But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think? And Christians love putting their penises in little boys bottoms. Your point?

Not relevent. Bit like you.  Ever wondered if you can fly peckhead?  Ask a Muslim.

Rider wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: Rider wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:40pm: matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays. But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think? And Christians love putting their penises in little boys bottoms. Your point? Not relevent. Bit like you.  Ever wondered if you can fly peckhead?  Ask a Muslim.

So, you condone Christians putting their penises in little boy's bottoms?

Is that what you're saying?

The next attack by Muslims will probably be aimed at some gay event in Australia.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 8:48pm:

Rider wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: Rider wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:40pm: matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays. But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think? And Christians love putting their penises in little boys bottoms. Your point? Not relevent. Bit like you.  Ever wondered if you can fly peckhead?  Ask a Muslim. So, you condone Christians putting their penises in little boy's bottoms? Is that what you're saying?

Make a sentance out of the following random words ive arranged in no particular order....

You are a filthy twisted sewer dweller.

The ABC have been more biased after the result than before it...
LOL....  go ABC progs.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

Rider wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:40pm: matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays. But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think? And Christians love putting their penises in little boys bottoms. Your point?

It's not only Christians muppet.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 3:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: Rider wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:40pm: matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays. But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think? And Christians love putting their penises in little boys bottoms. Your point? It's not only Christians muppet.

Correct.

They've had plenty of practice, though.

Rider wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: Rider wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:40pm: matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays. But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think? And Christians love putting their penises in little boys bottoms. Your point? Not relevent. Bit like you.  Ever wondered if you can fly peckhead?  Ask a Muslim.

Have you forgotten your point?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 3:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: Rider wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:40pm: matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays. But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think? And Christians love putting their penises in little boys bottoms. Your point? It's not only Christians muppet. Correct. They've had plenty of practice, though.

Muslims root boys too Pecca.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 3:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: Rider wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:40pm: matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays. But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think? And Christians love putting their penises in little boys bottoms. Your point? It's not only Christians muppet. Correct. They've had plenty of practice, though. Muslims root boys too Pecca.

Correct.

People from all religions, countries, and cultures do.

Your point?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 3:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:04pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: Rider wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:40pm: matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays. But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think? And Christians love putting their penises in little boys bottoms. Your point? It's not only Christians muppet. Correct. They've had plenty of practice, though. Muslims root boys too Pecca. Correct. People from all religions, countries, and cultures do. Your point?

well don't just mention Christians. It looks like you are being prejudiced just singling out one group.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 3:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:05pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:04pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: Rider wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:40pm: matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays. But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think? And Christians love putting their penises in little boys bottoms. Your point? It's not only Christians muppet. Correct. They've had plenty of practice, though. Muslims root boys too Pecca. Correct. People from all religions, countries, and cultures do. Your point? well don't just mention Christians. It looks like you are being prejudiced just singling out one group.

Ah, okay.

Excellent point, Homo.

I'll remember that.

Will you?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:05pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:04pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:02pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 3:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:42pm: Rider wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:40pm: matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays. But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think? And Christians love putting their penises in little boys bottoms. Your point? It's not only Christians muppet. Correct. They've had plenty of practice, though. Muslims root boys too Pecca. Correct. People from all religions, countries, and cultures do. Your point? well don't just mention Christians. It looks like you are being prejudiced just singling out one group. Ah, okay. Excellent point, Homo. I'll remember that. Will you?

Of course. But I'll always have the guts to recognise an issue within a group.

Soooo 
look
Muslim homos...  just hanging about.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkVP8cfCUAAfhzG.jpg

Grendel wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 3:23pm:

Soooo  look Muslim homos...  just hanging about. http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkVP8cfCUAAfhzG.jpg

can you prove that the guys hanging were hung because they were gay? or do you think meme's suddenly count as evidence?  :D :D :D

matty wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

They wouldn't mention that proportionately, Muslims were by far the biggest group to vote against ssm.

matty makes up numbers then whinges when people don't make up the same numbers :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:29pm: They wouldn't mention that proportionately, Muslims were by far the biggest group to vote against ssm. matty makes up numbers then whinges when people don't make up the same numbers :D :D :D

He's NOT a sore loser, though.

Just think a suicide bomber might attend the first GAY "wedding"!!! Won't it go off with a BANG!!!!

This Mussie ban on GAYS is an election loser for Bull S. as he said vote YES which enraged and insulted the Mussies. Expect to see Labor lose Mussie seats.

Will Bull S.'s promise to RESTART the BOATS be enough to win the hearts of the Mussies ?

Perhaps the ABC has more balanced reporting and is not trying to wedge the Muslim community for ideological reasons....What is your point mate???


Quote:

"NSW has, by far, the highest proportion of people born in non-English-speaking countries. In other words, there are other political cultural issues there in the mix in the debate in politics. "I think that's what you're seeing in those western Sydney results. I understand there's been some quite specific campaigning within the Muslim community, the Chinese community, in parts of western Sydney — and that's something that goes under the radar."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-15/nsw-had-highest-no-vote-for-same-sex-marriage-survey/9152542

::) ::) ::)

juliar wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 4:25pm:

Just think a suicide bomber might attend the first GAY "wedding"!!! Won't it go off with a BANG!!!! This Mussie ban on GAYS is an election loser for Bull S. as he said vote YES which enraged and insulted the Mussies. Expect to see Labor lose Mussie seats. Will Bull S.'s promise to RESTART the BOATS be enough to win the hearts of the Mussies ?

That is crazy.
The first to bleat about and beat up the terrorist threat as something serious and critical, justifying losses of our rights and freedoms, and you say that??

matty wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

They wouldn't mention that proportionately, Muslims were by far the biggest group to vote against ssm.

Quote:

ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm.

This isn't supported with a link or anything ?

Suspect that it is just another straw man false argument.

The only commentary I can find on this is typical Bolt BS. And the funny thing about that it that the interview he commented on was pretty well done.

Yes Bolt managed to embarrass himself once again.

URL to Bolt being a dill:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/abc-astonished-and-embarrassed-by-muslims-voting-no/news-story/6908670d5fc75c2f38bc5d3918199120

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Perhaps the ABC has more balanced reporting and is not trying to wedge the Muslim community for ideological reasons....What is your point mate??? Quote: "NSW has, by far, the highest proportion of people born in non-English-speaking countries. In other words, there are other political cultural issues there in the mix in the debate in politics. "I think that's what you're seeing in those western Sydney results. I understand there's been some quite specific campaigning within the Muslim community, the Chinese community, in parts of western Sydney — and that's something that goes under the radar." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-15/nsw-had-highest-no-vote-for-same-sex-marriage-survey/9152542 ::) ::) ::)

The ABC has balanced reporting?
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Ah no...  it doesn't.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 7:54am:

matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:29pm: They wouldn't mention that proportionately, Muslims were by far the biggest group to vote against ssm. Quote: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. This isn't supported with a link or anything ? Suspect that it is just another straw man false argument. The only commentary I can find on this is typical Bolt BS. And the funny thing about that it that the interview he commented on was pretty well done. Yes Bolt managed to embarrass himself once again. URL to Bolt being a dill: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/abc-astonished-and-embarrassed-by-muslims-voting-no/news-story/6908670d5fc75c2f38bc5d3918199120

So you are denying that on the whole the largest NO votes were in the western suburbs of Sydney where the largest Muslim populations and immigrant populations are?
Is that right?

matty wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

They wouldn't mention that proportionately, Muslims were by far the biggest group to vote against ssm.

https://s7.postimg.org/3xs7oqfh7/SAMESEXMARRIAGEFORM.jpg

Did everyone get a different ballot than we did?

I didn't notice anywhere to check off ones RELIGION on ours?     Did yours?

How would/could anyone know what RELIGION voted WHICH WAY?????

Seems only Matty got a different Ballot?

No, Matty is just a Black Tongued Liar, that's all....

Grendel wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:58am:

So you are denying that on the whole the largest NO votes were in the western suburbs of Sydney where the largest Muslim populations and immigrant populations are?

matty earlier named a couple of suburbs where the muslim population make up approx. 10%, 12% and 21% of the demographics respectively ... these suburbs polled about 70% 'NO' vote

how the fkkk can anyone blame the muslims?

John Smith wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 10:05am:

Grendel wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:58am: So you are denying that on the whole the largest NO votes were in the western suburbs of Sydney where the largest Muslim populations and immigrant populations are? matty earlier named a couple of suburbs where the muslim population make up approx. 10%, 12% and 21% of the demographics respectively ... these suburbs polled about 70% 'NO' vote how the fkkk can anyone blame the muslims?

The only valid "POLL" is the actual vote.

People have been known to lie....often & in large numbers....in casual phone polls & door to door polls.

Rider wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 8:40pm:

matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays. But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think?

I thought that was the murderous cult that is ISIS ?

ISIS is NOT Islam
Not by a "country mile"

ISIS are wholesale MURDERERS of Muslims

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 10:37am:

Rider wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 8:40pm: matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:36pm: red baron wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:34pm: If it had been Christians that voted like that we would never have heard the end of it Just an observation 100%. They have a serious issue of cognitive dissonance. (Left-wing) Gays love Muslims but Muslims hate gays. But Muslims LOVE throwing Gays off roof tops.....isn't it ironic...don't cha think? I thought that was the murderous cult that is ISIS ? ISIS is NOT Islam Not by a "country mile" ISIS are wholesale MURDERERS of Muslims

No, your Muslims are so alike your 'holy' book's author....Cold Blooded Murderers All.....

ISIS = ISLAM                            ISLAM = ISIS

Grendel wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:58am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:54am: matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:29pm: They wouldn't mention that proportionately, Muslims were by far the biggest group to vote against ssm. Quote: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. This isn't supported with a link or anything ? Suspect that it is just another straw man false argument. The only commentary I can find on this is typical Bolt BS. And the funny thing about that it that the interview he commented on was pretty well done. Yes Bolt managed to embarrass himself once again. URL to Bolt being a dill: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/abc-astonished-and-embarrassed-by-muslims-voting-no/news-story/6908670d5fc75c2f38bc5d3918199120 So you are denying that on the whole the largest NO votes were in the western suburbs of Sydney where the largest Muslim populations and immigrant populations are? Is that right?

No I am saying that the ABC didn't refuse to acknowledge it ?

matty wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

They wouldn't mention that proportionately, Muslims were by far the biggest group to vote against ssm.

Thanks for coming back, Matty, we've all missed you here. Did you cast your vote on the same side as the Muslims?

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 11:08am:

matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:29pm: They wouldn't mention that proportionately, Muslims were by far the biggest group to vote against ssm. Thanks for coming back, Matty, we've all missed you here. Did you cast your vote on the same side as the Muslims?

Matty has always been a big supporter of the Muslim community. I hear that he participates in various gay Muslim events.

let it go matty

Dnarever wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 11:12am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 11:08am: matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 6:29pm: They wouldn't mention that proportionately, Muslims were by far the biggest group to vote against ssm. Thanks for coming back, Matty, we've all missed you here. Did you cast your vote on the same side as the Muslims? Matty has always been a big supporter of the Muslim community. I hear that he participates in various gay Muslim events.

That's right. The Pink Eid Dance Party, Ramadan Steam Bath, Arabian Nights at the Midnight Shift, Matty's quite a regular.

But no, he does not support gay marriage. Disgusting.

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 7:32pm:

One common example of misinformation by ignorance is the claim that Jesus “never said anything about homosexuality.” Robyn J. Whitaker recently argued in The Conversation and on the ABC News website “when it comes to homosexuality there are, at most, six passages of the Bible that are relevant.” After dismissing these passages with arguments that have already been thoroughly refuted, Whitaker concludes, “[the Bible] never condemns same-sex marriage.” Noticeably absent from Whitaker’s piece is any reference to Jesus. Perhaps if we asked her about his view, she’d respond like so many others, “he never mentioned it.” ... According to the Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament –- one of the standard academic reference texts -– porneia is “every kind of extramarital, unlawful, unnatural sexual intercourse.” And so when Jesus used the term, that is what he meant. For him, the only appropriate context for sex was marriage. And finally, Jesus’ definition of marriage is limited to man and woman. In Matthew 19:5 Jesus grounds his definition of marriage in the creation. Quoting Genesis 2, Jesus states God’s original intention in marriage, “a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh” (Matt. 19:5). According to Jesus, marriage is the union of man and woman. This means unless there is both a man and a woman, there is no marriage. Jesus’ own words won’t allow for it. Same-sex couples do not qualify for marriage and every other form of sex falls under the prohibited category of porneia. https://www.spectator.com.au/2017/11/jesus-never-said-anything-about-homosexuality/ SSM is porneia, legalised porno. :o

Robyn J. Whitaker a scholar a scribe of religion.

It was at the behest of the pharisees (priests) and scribes (theologians) that the romans crucified Christ.

If ever I have heard words spoken from unbelieving folks it comes from the religious scholars and theologians of TODAY.

And their suppose to understand the Bible.

You hear a religious scholar or theologian talking about religion today they believe in God as much as the next atheist........ :D

John Smith wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 10:05am:

Grendel wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:58am: So you are denying that on the whole the largest NO votes were in the western suburbs of Sydney where the largest Muslim populations and immigrant populations are? matty earlier named a couple of suburbs where the muslim population make up approx. 10%, 12% and 21% of the demographics respectively ... these suburbs polled about 70% 'NO' vote how the fkkk can anyone blame the muslims?

Are you arguing with me or against me TROLL?
Hard to tell with you re your aggressive OTT pronouncements. ::)

ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm.



On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ???

Dnarever wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ???

No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan.

Q.   Who voted "NO" ?

A.    Who cares.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 7:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan.

Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record.

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 7:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record.

Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort.

The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want?

Ajax wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 5:35pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 7:32pm: One common example of misinformation by ignorance is the claim that Jesus “never said anything about homosexuality.” Robyn J. Whitaker recently argued in The Conversation and on the ABC News website “when it comes to homosexuality there are, at most, six passages of the Bible that are relevant.” After dismissing these passages with arguments that have already been thoroughly refuted, Whitaker concludes, “[the Bible] never condemns same-sex marriage.” Noticeably absent from Whitaker’s piece is any reference to Jesus. Perhaps if we asked her about his view, she’d respond like so many others, “he never mentioned it.” ... According to the Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament –- one of the standard academic reference texts -– porneia is “every kind of extramarital, unlawful, unnatural sexual intercourse.” And so when Jesus used the term, that is what he meant. For him, the only appropriate context for sex was marriage. And finally, Jesus’ definition of marriage is limited to man and woman. In Matthew 19:5 Jesus grounds his definition of marriage in the creation. Quoting Genesis 2, Jesus states God’s original intention in marriage, “a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh” (Matt. 19:5). According to Jesus, marriage is the union of man and woman. This means unless there is both a man and a woman, there is no marriage. Jesus’ own words won’t allow for it. Same-sex couples do not qualify for marriage and every other form of sex falls under the prohibited category of porneia. https://www.spectator.com.au/2017/11/jesus-never-said-anything-about-homosexuality/ SSM is porneia, legalised porno. :o Robyn J. Whitaker a scholar a scribe of religion. It was at the behest of the pharisees (priests) and scribes (theologians) that the romans crucified Christ. If ever I have heard words spoken from unbelieving folks it comes from the religious scholars and theologians of TODAY. And their suppose to understand the Bible. You hear a religious scholar or theologian talking about religion today they believe in God as much as the next atheist........ :D

Just so.


Robyn J. Whitaker

Bromby Lecturer in Biblical Studies, Trinity College, University of Divinity

I am a biblical scholar and historian with a particular interest in the contemporary use (and misuse) of the bible in debates about sexuality, gender and ethics. I have research expertise in apocalypticism and the related topics of end of the world speculation, martyrdom, and images of evil. I am published in the areas of the visual culture of the Graeco-Roman world, its impact on biblical rhetoric, New Testament, and Judeo-Christian apocalyptic literature.



It is right and proper that Robyn J. Whitaker has her say. But there will never be a counter-argument in The Conversation because it's actually The Echo-chamber of PC pieties.

There is simply NO honest diversity of views in the West today, it's all politicies along identity lines - race, religion, sex.
The mind is well and truly made subservient to the baser passions.

Frank wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 7:40pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 5:35pm: Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 7:32pm: One common example of misinformation by ignorance is the claim that Jesus “never said anything about homosexuality.” Robyn J. Whitaker recently argued in The Conversation and on the ABC News website “when it comes to homosexuality there are, at most, six passages of the Bible that are relevant.” After dismissing these passages with arguments that have already been thoroughly refuted, Whitaker concludes, “[the Bible] never condemns same-sex marriage.” Noticeably absent from Whitaker’s piece is any reference to Jesus. Perhaps if we asked her about his view, she’d respond like so many others, “he never mentioned it.” ... According to the Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament –- one of the standard academic reference texts -– porneia is “every kind of extramarital, unlawful, unnatural sexual intercourse.” And so when Jesus used the term, that is what he meant. For him, the only appropriate context for sex was marriage. And finally, Jesus’ definition of marriage is limited to man and woman. In Matthew 19:5 Jesus grounds his definition of marriage in the creation. Quoting Genesis 2, Jesus states God’s original intention in marriage, “a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh” (Matt. 19:5). According to Jesus, marriage is the union of man and woman. This means unless there is both a man and a woman, there is no marriage. Jesus’ own words won’t allow for it. Same-sex couples do not qualify for marriage and every other form of sex falls under the prohibited category of porneia. https://www.spectator.com.au/2017/11/jesus-never-said-anything-about-homosexuality/ SSM is porneia, legalised porno. :o Robyn J. Whitaker a scholar a scribe of religion. It was at the behest of the pharisees (priests) and scribes (theologians) that the romans crucified Christ. If ever I have heard words spoken from unbelieving folks it comes from the religious scholars and theologians of TODAY. And their suppose to understand the Bible. You hear a religious scholar or theologian talking about religion today they believe in God as much as the next atheist........ :D Just so. Robyn J. Whitaker Bromby Lecturer in Biblical Studies, Trinity College, University of Divinity I am a biblical scholar and historian with a particular interest in the contemporary use (and misuse) of the bible in debates about sexuality, gender and ethics. I have research expertise in apocalypticism and the related topics of end of the world speculation, martyrdom, and images of evil. I am published in the areas of the visual culture of the Graeco-Roman world, its impact on biblical rhetoric, New Testament, and Judeo-Christian apocalyptic literature. It is right and proper that Robyn J. Whitaker has her say. But there will never be a counter-argument in The Conversation because it's actually The Echo-chamber of PC pieties. There is simply NO honest diversity of views in the West today, it's all politicies along identity lines - race, religion, sex. The mind is well and truly made subservient to the baser passions.

X2................. 8-)

Here's a Muslim defending the ethnic no vote in western Sydney.


Sydney Morning Herald-

Why western Sydney voted 'no'

Hussain Nadim
The "yes" vote has caused nationwide celebrations in Australia while sending a shockwave in western Sydney, which accounted for 12 of the 17 electorates that voted "no". "Yes" voting Australians are grappling to make sense of this. Is it poverty, lack of education, or unemployment that's the driving factor behind the voting decision of socially conservative communities in western Sydney or is it something else? Truth is, it is none of these.
Social pressures, religious ideology, and a migration pattern that is not conducive to integration played the most important role in western Sydney's voting behaviour.
Western Sydney is a home for many new migrant communities including the Muslims, Hindus, and Sikhs. Even the older established ethnic communities are still first generational and find it difficult to integrate in the wider Australian community. To understand their voting behaviour, one has to understand the cultural ethos and fears that drive their political decisions.
Many ethnic and religious communities that reside in Blaxland and Watson are on a different social and moral tangent to electorates elsewhere in Sydney. Up until the postal vote, interracial marriage was probably the most controversial issue in these socially conservative communities. As for contemplating same-sex marriage, even choosing marriage partners is at the discretion of parents, so same-sex marriage was inconceivable. To then have a national vote on same-sex marriage is beyond the understanding of most of these communities.
Many of the people from these ethnic and religious communities have left their homelands in Middle East, South Asia and elsewhere arriving in Australia to raise their children in peace and prosperity. To find themselves in a society that goes directly against the teachings of their religion is a major concern. As one of the families I talked to puts it: "We recently left Afghanistan to settle in Australia for the sake of our children, for a better and safe life. Now we are going to struggle raising our children in a society that goes directly against the basic teachings of our religion".

In such a scenario, Muslims and other conservative ethnic communities in western Sydney are likely to grow closer to the conservative bloc in Australia – it will be with mixed feelings and a struggle for many, but we have seen this before in the US.
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In the United States, Muslims historically supported the Republican Party given the shared social conservative ideology, especially on the issue of homosexuality and abortion. That decades long Muslim-Republican romance, however, ended after September 11 when the Republican government waged wars in the Middle East.
Muslims found themselves in an awkward situation, forced into supporting the Democrat Party that had a much better stance on the inclusion of Muslims in America, diversity, and war in the Middle East, but on the other hand was not only pro-choice but also bent upon legalising gay marriage in the US.
Last year when same-sex marriage in the US was legalised, the Muslim and many other conservative communities were horrified. My personal interaction with four Muslim families revealed their frustration with raising their children in America where society now allowed something that goes directly against the teachings of Islam – an entire section of the Koran is devoted against homosexuality.
As a Muslim parent living in Australia, how do you cope with that? There is no space to follow Islam selectively – either you are a Muslim or you are not, there is no such thing as a non-practicing Muslim or a gay Muslim given that homosexuality is strictly prohibited and in the majority of the Muslim countries, it is punishable by death.
Putting aside religious belief, homosexuality reflects on a family's respectability and its social standing. If your child had a same-sex marriage, not only would the child be banished from the community but your entire family would be ridiculed and ostracised.
With the stakes so high, on social and religious levels, western Sydney voters were always likely to come out and vote against same-sex marriage.
There is, however, a silver-lining in all this. The vote has made the ethnic communities more politically active. In some cases, it may prompt more tolerance towards interracial and inter-religious marriages, much less challenging now in relation to same-sex marriages. However, conservative politicians are likely to capitalise on this political activism and forge new alliances with the disgruntled communities.
Hussain Nadim is the coordinator of the South Asia Study Group, University of Sydney.
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As one of the families I talked to puts it: "We recently left Afghanistan to settle in Australia for the sake of our children, for a better and safe life. Now we are going to struggle raising our children in a society that goes directly against the basic teachings of our religion".



Didn't these assholes realise that when they moved it would be different?? What a pack of dumbasses.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 7:38pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort. The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want?

Can you post the one where the ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm ????

Dnarever wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 7:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:38pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort. The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want? Can you post the one where the ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm ????

I can't with Muslims. I can post an ABC one defending the ethnic no vote.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:59pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:38pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort. The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want? Can you post the one where the ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm ???? I can't with Muslims. I can post an ABC one defending the ethnic no vote.

That means little they had the right to vote however they wanted ? I would defend that too even though I do not agree with them.

Opinion
Same-sex marriage result: Don't blame western Sydney for its No vote
By Dallas Rogers
Updated Wed at 6:18pm
I'm a proud Westie and I voted yes. While I can't speak for all western Sydney people, I was surprised to learn 12 of only 17 electorates that voted no are in western Sydney.
The suburbs of western Sydney have pulled down NSW's overall Yes count.
This is a blow for our strong cultural diversity credentials out west.
The temptation might be to think about the diverse peoples and communities of western Sydney as the sole custodians of their views.
The discussion about the No vote will almost certainly follow a familiar narrative: the west is full of variously conservative new migrants, old people and ethnic and religious minorities. Religious and migrant media will come under fire.
The familiar troupe of derogatory Westie, migrant and religious discussion will follow.
While western Sydney's diverse cultural histories are certainly contributing factors, they are not the full story.
It's not just about migrants
Sure, NSW has the highest proportion of people born in non-English speaking countries. This migrant history is important for western Sydney, which has long been a landing point for waves of migrants and refugees since World War II.
It is equally true that social, religious and cultural change moves at a slow pace. This is especially true in new migrant communities, as religious, familial and cultural norms morph slowly across the generations.
Western Sydney has long been the state's champion of welcoming in new peoples.
We have a strong track record of working across cultural, religious and social difference.
And yes, we missed an opportunity to add marriage equality to our repertoire of social acceptance. We have work to do in that space.
Working-class roots
Western Sydney has also long been home of the city's working class, at least in the public imagination.
And public commentaries have made much about the No votes in western Sydney falling within largely Labor electorates.
But unlike worker rights, same-sex marriage doesn't neatly run along class or political lines.
Most of us have a friend or family member from the LGBTI community.
Much like the issue of refugees, same-sex marriage is a moral rather than a class issue.
It's not about aligning with class-based interests, but about making a moral choice about what is right for our country.
This is what makes the moral politics and the trial of LGBTI and other communities by media and lobbying so dangerous.
The cultural politics of difference needs strong political leadership and the Coalition government has failed the Australian people over many years.
The Liberal Howard government politicised the refugee debate, creating the refugee enemy.
We have seen this type of moral politics playing out again in the choice to run a postal vote.
Westies under attack
Westies have now been drawn into the moral politics of this debate too.
Westies like me will no doubt come under attack, again, for our lack of moral fortitude and social backwardness.
LGBTI peoples have been exposed to unnecessary and at time heinous social commentary about their lives. This, unfortunately, is likely to continue.
Imagine the triplicate discriminatory forces of being a young gay, religious migrant in western Sydney today.
The postal vote has done significant damage to cultural diversity and acceptance in western Sydney and Australia more broadly.
Education is one way to challenge the moral politics of this issue, and we are seeing a rapid uptake of university education in migrant communities across western Sydney.
But deferring the hard moral questions to "the people" will always serve the interests of the powerful majority.
We have certainly seen this in the same-sex marriage debate, the legacy of which might be the undoing of years of gay and cultural diversity action in NSW.
Dr Dallas Rogers is senior lecturer in urbanism at the University of Sydney.
Topics: gays-and-lesbians, community-and-society, government-and-politics, immigration, sydney-2000, nsw
First posted Wed at 5:42pm


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Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 7:38pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort. The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want?

Yes, that must be because Western Sydney had a big no vote. Uncanny.

But why not? You post your media crap, this will be a first.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:02pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:59pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:38pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort. The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want? Can you post the one where the ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm ???? I can't with Muslims. I can post an ABC one defending the ethnic no vote. That means little they had the right to vote however they wanted ? I would defend that too even though I do not agree with them.

So do I. But it's true that the ethnic vote played a huge part in the no vote in western Sydney. You social progressives shouldn't ignore that. There's huge populations of different ethnic groups in Sydney that will never follow your gay agenda.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:08pm:

Opinion Same-sex marriage result: Don't blame western Sydney for its No vote By Dallas Rogers Updated Wed at 6:18pm I'm a proud Westie and I voted yes. While I can't speak for all western Sydney people, I was surprised to learn 12 of only 17 electorates that voted no are in western Sydney. The suburbs of western Sydney have pulled down NSW's overall Yes count. This is a blow for our strong cultural diversity credentials out west. The temptation might be to think about the diverse peoples and communities of western Sydney as the sole custodians of their views. The discussion about the No vote will almost certainly follow a familiar narrative: the west is full of variously conservative new migrants, old people and ethnic and religious minorities. Religious and migrant media will come under fire. The familiar troupe of derogatory Westie, migrant and religious discussion will follow. While western Sydney's diverse cultural histories are certainly contributing factors, they are not the full story. It's not just about migrants Sure, NSW has the highest proportion of people born in non-English speaking countries. This migrant history is important for western Sydney, which has long been a landing point for waves of migrants and refugees since World War II. It is equally true that social, religious and cultural change moves at a slow pace. This is especially true in new migrant communities, as religious, familial and cultural norms morph slowly across the generations. Western Sydney has long been the state's champion of welcoming in new peoples. We have a strong track record of working across cultural, religious and social difference. And yes, we missed an opportunity to add marriage equality to our repertoire of social acceptance. We have work to do in that space. Working-class roots Western Sydney has also long been home of the city's working class, at least in the public imagination. And public commentaries have made much about the No votes in western Sydney falling within largely Labor electorates. But unlike worker rights, same-sex marriage doesn't neatly run along class or political lines. Most of us have a friend or family member from the LGBTI community. Much like the issue of refugees, same-sex marriage is a moral rather than a class issue. It's not about aligning with class-based interests, but about making a moral choice about what is right for our country. This is what makes the moral politics and the trial of LGBTI and other communities by media and lobbying so dangerous. The cultural politics of difference needs strong political leadership and the Coalition government has failed the Australian people over many years. The Liberal Howard government politicised the refugee debate, creating the refugee enemy. We have seen this type of moral politics playing out again in the choice to run a postal vote. Westies under attack Westies have now been drawn into the moral politics of this debate too. Westies like me will no doubt come under attack, again, for our lack of moral fortitude and social backwardness. LGBTI peoples have been exposed to unnecessary and at time heinous social commentary about their lives. This, unfortunately, is likely to continue. Imagine the triplicate discriminatory forces of being a young gay, religious migrant in western Sydney today. The postal vote has done significant damage to cultural diversity and acceptance in western Sydney and Australia more broadly. Education is one way to challenge the moral politics of this issue, and we are seeing a rapid uptake of university education in migrant communities across western Sydney. But deferring the hard moral questions to "the people" will always serve the interests of the powerful majority. We have certainly seen this in the same-sex marriage debate, the legacy of which might be the undoing of years of gay and cultural diversity action in NSW. Dr Dallas Rogers is senior lecturer in urbanism at the University of Sydney. Topics: gays-and-lesbians, community-and-society, government-and-politics, immigration, sydney-2000, nsw First posted Wed at 5:42pm Print Email Facebook Twitter More More stories from New South Wales

Good work. Now post the source.

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:38pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort. The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want? Yes, that must be because Western Sydney had a big no vote. Uncanny. But why not? You post your media crap, this will be a first.

Have you ever wondered why babe?

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:02pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:59pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:38pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort. The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want? Can you post the one where the ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm ???? I can't with Muslims. I can post an ABC one defending the ethnic no vote. That means little they had the right to vote however they wanted ? I would defend that too even though I do not agree with them. So do I. But it's true that the ethnic vote played a huge part in the no vote in western Sydney. You social progressives shouldn't ignore that. There's huge populations of different ethnic groups in Sydney that will never follow your gay agenda.

And you know this because...

Oh, that's right, you read it in your big bad, unsourced, media.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:11pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:38pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort. The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want? Yes, that must be because Western Sydney had a big no vote. Uncanny. But why not? You post your media crap, this will be a first. Have you ever wondered why babe?

Why what, dear?

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:11pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:08pm: Opinion Same-sex marriage result: Don't blame western Sydney for its No vote By Dallas Rogers Updated Wed at 6:18pm I'm a proud Westie and I voted yes. While I can't speak for all western Sydney people, I was surprised to learn 12 of only 17 electorates that voted no are in western Sydney. The suburbs of western Sydney have pulled down NSW's overall Yes count. This is a blow for our strong cultural diversity credentials out west. The temptation might be to think about the diverse peoples and communities of western Sydney as the sole custodians of their views. The discussion about the No vote will almost certainly follow a familiar narrative: the west is full of variously conservative new migrants, old people and ethnic and religious minorities. Religious and migrant media will come under fire. The familiar troupe of derogatory Westie, migrant and religious discussion will follow. While western Sydney's diverse cultural histories are certainly contributing factors, they are not the full story. It's not just about migrants Sure, NSW has the highest proportion of people born in non-English speaking countries. This migrant history is important for western Sydney, which has long been a landing point for waves of migrants and refugees since World War II. It is equally true that social, religious and cultural change moves at a slow pace. This is especially true in new migrant communities, as religious, familial and cultural norms morph slowly across the generations. Western Sydney has long been the state's champion of welcoming in new peoples. We have a strong track record of working across cultural, religious and social difference. And yes, we missed an opportunity to add marriage equality to our repertoire of social acceptance. We have work to do in that space. Working-class roots Western Sydney has also long been home of the city's working class, at least in the public imagination. And public commentaries have made much about the No votes in western Sydney falling within largely Labor electorates. But unlike worker rights, same-sex marriage doesn't neatly run along class or political lines. Most of us have a friend or family member from the LGBTI community. Much like the issue of refugees, same-sex marriage is a moral rather than a class issue. It's not about aligning with class-based interests, but about making a moral choice about what is right for our country. This is what makes the moral politics and the trial of LGBTI and other communities by media and lobbying so dangerous. The cultural politics of difference needs strong political leadership and the Coalition government has failed the Australian people over many years. The Liberal Howard government politicised the refugee debate, creating the refugee enemy. We have seen this type of moral politics playing out again in the choice to run a postal vote. Westies under attack Westies have now been drawn into the moral politics of this debate too. Westies like me will no doubt come under attack, again, for our lack of moral fortitude and social backwardness. LGBTI peoples have been exposed to unnecessary and at time heinous social commentary about their lives. This, unfortunately, is likely to continue. Imagine the triplicate discriminatory forces of being a young gay, religious migrant in western Sydney today. The postal vote has done significant damage to cultural diversity and acceptance in western Sydney and Australia more broadly. Education is one way to challenge the moral politics of this issue, and we are seeing a rapid uptake of university education in migrant communities across western Sydney. But deferring the hard moral questions to "the people" will always serve the interests of the powerful majority. We have certainly seen this in the same-sex marriage debate, the legacy of which might be the undoing of years of gay and cultural diversity action in NSW. Dr Dallas Rogers is senior lecturer in urbanism at the University of Sydney. Topics: gays-and-lesbians, community-and-society, government-and-politics, immigration, sydney-2000, nsw First posted Wed at 5:42pm Print Email Facebook Twitter More More stories from New South Wales Good work. Now post the source.

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While I can't speak for all western Sydney people, I was surprised to learn 12 of only 17 electorates that voted

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:11pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:38pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort. The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want? Yes, that must be because Western Sydney had a big no vote. Uncanny. But why not? You post your media crap, this will be a first. Have you ever wondered why babe? Why what, dear?

Why a big portion of the city voted for gays and a big portion didn't? Have a go?

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:17pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:13pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:11pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:38pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort. The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want? Yes, that must be because Western Sydney had a big no vote. Uncanny. But why not? You post your media crap, this will be a first. Have you ever wondered why babe? Why what, dear? Why a big portion of the city voted for gays and a big portion didn't? Have a go?

I thought your ABC column told us, dear. Western Sydney has a big migrant population. My suburb is supposed to have had one of the biggest no votes. We've got Muslims, Catholics, Coptics, Orthodox, Hindus, you name it. In the last federal erection the Libs campaigned heavily on the Safe Schools issue in my electorate. They directly targeted conservative Christian and Muslim voters.

So yes, I think your big bad ABC opinion piece is right on the money.

But I'm curious. Why have you posted a source that directly contradicts your point? You've quoted an ABC article that shows migrants were a main factor in the Western Sydney no vote.

The writer of your article claims to be a big bad bogan.

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

But I'm curious. Why have you posted a source that directly contradicts your point?

he doesn't even know what his point was .... he only knows that it's an opportunity to have a shot at muslims, warranted or otherwise.  :D :D :D

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:17pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:13pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:11pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:38pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort. The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want? Yes, that must be because Western Sydney had a big no vote. Uncanny. But why not? You post your media crap, this will be a first. Have you ever wondered why babe? Why what, dear? Why a big portion of the city voted for gays and a big portion didn't? Have a go? I thought your ABC column told us, dear. Western Sydney has a big migrant population. My suburb is supposed to have had one of the biggest no votes. We've got Muslims, Catholics, Coptics, Orthodox, Hindus, you name it. In the last federal erection the Libs campaigned heavily on the Safe Schools issue in my electorate. They directly targeted conservative Christian and Muslim voters. So yes, I think your big bad ABC opinion piece is right on the money. But I'm curious. Why have you posted a source that directly contradicts your point? You've quoted an ABC article that shows migrants were a main factor in the Western Sydney no vote. The writer of your article claims to be a big bad bogan.

I doesn't really. It's making excuses. There's a huge divide in Sydney and the rest of NSW along ethnic, religious, social and economic grounds and that's the result. I love it.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:35pm:

It's making excuses.

excuses for what? :D :D

John Smith wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:41pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:35pm: It's making excuses. excuses for what? :D :D

Because the think tank thought multiculturalism would propel australia into a new level of understanding and harmony but all the old problems still exist. So they have to make excuses.

double plus good wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:41pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:35pm: It's making excuses. excuses for what? :D :D Because the think tank thought multiculturalism would propel australia into a new level of understanding and harmony but all the old problems still exist. So they have to make excuses.

I doubt the ABC gave a crap about any think tanks when they wrote that story, but to your point


I don't know of anyone that claimed multiculturalism doesn't bring about it's own set of problems. Throughout the ages there have been adjustment periods for each and every group to come through. That includes those from white western countries.

The benefits however far outweigh the negatives.

You lost , get over it

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:35pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:25pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:17pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:13pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:11pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:38pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort. The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want? Yes, that must be because Western Sydney had a big no vote. Uncanny. But why not? You post your media crap, this will be a first. Have you ever wondered why babe? Why what, dear? Why a big portion of the city voted for gays and a big portion didn't? Have a go? I thought your ABC column told us, dear. Western Sydney has a big migrant population. My suburb is supposed to have had one of the biggest no votes. We've got Muslims, Catholics, Coptics, Orthodox, Hindus, you name it. In the last federal erection the Libs campaigned heavily on the Safe Schools issue in my electorate. They directly targeted conservative Christian and Muslim voters. So yes, I think your big bad ABC opinion piece is right on the money. But I'm curious. Why have you posted a source that directly contradicts your point? You've quoted an ABC article that shows migrants were a main factor in the Western Sydney no vote. The writer of your article claims to be a big bad bogan. I doesn't really..

Oh, that's a relief.

What's the divide? You agree with the migrants on this issue. You would have liked to vote no yourself.

You just couldn't be bothered sending your form in.

Its time wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

You lost , get over it

No need to get over it because I really couldn't give a rats ass. I just find the voting pattern very interesting.

double plus good wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:41pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:35pm: It's making excuses. excuses for what? :D :D Because the think tank thought multiculturalism would propel australia into a new level of understanding and harmony but all the old problems still exist. So they have to make excuses.

The old problems most certainly do not exist. Sydney is no longer divided by Protestants and Catholics. The masons no longer run the cops and the public service. The communists no longer run the waterfront, and the unions no longer organise labour.

Instead, dear, we have new problems. Still, I hardly think an issue like hommers being able to get married is one.

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 8:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:25pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:17pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:13pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:11pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:38pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort. The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want? Yes, that must be because Western Sydney had a big no vote. Uncanny. But why not? You post your media crap, this will be a first. Have you ever wondered why babe? Why what, dear? Why a big portion of the city voted for gays and a big portion didn't? Have a go? I thought your ABC column told us, dear. Western Sydney has a big migrant population. My suburb is supposed to have had one of the biggest no votes. We've got Muslims, Catholics, Coptics, Orthodox, Hindus, you name it. In the last federal erection the Libs campaigned heavily on the Safe Schools issue in my electorate. They directly targeted conservative Christian and Muslim voters. So yes, I think your big bad ABC opinion piece is right on the money. But I'm curious. Why have you posted a source that directly contradicts your point? You've quoted an ABC article that shows migrants were a main factor in the Western Sydney no vote. The writer of your article claims to be a big bad bogan. I doesn't really.. Oh, that's a relief. What's the divide? You agree with the migrants on this issue. You would have liked to vote no yourself. You just couldn't be bothered sending your form in.

I sent the form in fuzznuts.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 9:00pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:52pm: You lost , get over it No need to get over it because I really couldn't give a rats ass. I just find the voting pattern very interesting.

Interesting because you get to make stuff up?

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:53pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:25pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:17pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:13pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:11pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:38pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:59pm: ABC refuses to acknowledge Muslims opposed ssm. On the topic - Does anyone see anywhere that the ABC have actually done this ??? No, they blamed all of Western Sydney even though Western Sydney is mostly ethnic. The mass media tried to blame the big bad white bogan. Look how many fibs Homo can fit in one sentence. He's up for the record. Tont Abbott holds the record with 7 lies in 25 words, this didn't come close. poor effort. The mainstream media was banging on about western Sydney on the no vote straight away. I can post this  media crap to prove it if you want? Yes, that must be because Western Sydney had a big no vote. Uncanny. But why not? You post your media crap, this will be a first. Have you ever wondered why babe? Why what, dear? Why a big portion of the city voted for gays and a big portion didn't? Have a go? I thought your ABC column told us, dear. Western Sydney has a big migrant population. My suburb is supposed to have had one of the biggest no votes. We've got Muslims, Catholics, Coptics, Orthodox, Hindus, you name it. In the last federal erection the Libs campaigned heavily on the Safe Schools issue in my electorate. They directly targeted conservative Christian and Muslim voters. So yes, I think your big bad ABC opinion piece is right on the money. But I'm curious. Why have you posted a source that directly contradicts your point? You've quoted an ABC article that shows migrants were a main factor in the Western Sydney no vote. The writer of your article claims to be a big bad bogan. I doesn't really.. Oh, that's a relief. What's the divide? You agree with the migrants on this issue. You would have liked to vote no yourself. You just couldn't be bothered sending your form in. I sent the form in fuzznuts.

You see?

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

double plus good wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:41pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:35pm: It's making excuses. excuses for what? :D :D Because the think tank thought multiculturalism would propel australia into a new level of understanding and harmony but all the old problems still exist. So they have to make excuses. The old problems most certainly do not exist. Sydney is no longer divided by Protestants and Catholics. The masons no longer run the cops and the public service. The communists no longer run the waterfront, and the unions no longer organise labour. Instead, dear, we have new problems. Still, I hardly think an issue like hommers being able to get married is one.

Now it's Hindus, Muslims and Catholics who don't like homosexuality plus the rich and poor It still exists . It's just under different headings.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 9:04pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 9:02pm: double plus good wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:41pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:35pm: It's making excuses. excuses for what? :D :D Because the think tank thought multiculturalism would propel australia into a new level of understanding and harmony but all the old problems still exist. So they have to make excuses. The old problems most certainly do not exist. Sydney is no longer divided by Protestants and Catholics. The masons no longer run the cops and the public service. The communists no longer run the waterfront, and the unions no longer organise labour. Instead, dear, we have new problems. Still, I hardly think an issue like hommers being able to get married is one. Now it's Hindus, Muslims and Catholics who don't like homosexuality plus the rich and poor It still exists . It's just under different headings.

Oh, I think we're a lot more diverse than we were when I grew up. More people, more technology, more stuff in the shops.

Strangely, we have less media. Sydney used to have about ten daily newspapers - some had two editions a day.

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 9:04pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 9:02pm: double plus good wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:41pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:35pm: It's making excuses. excuses for what? :D :D Because the think tank thought multiculturalism would propel australia into a new level of understanding and harmony but all the old problems still exist. So they have to make excuses. The old problems most certainly do not exist. Sydney is no longer divided by Protestants and Catholics. The masons no longer run the cops and the public service. The communists no longer run the waterfront, and the unions no longer organise labour. Instead, dear, we have new problems. Still, I hardly think an issue like hommers being able to get married is one. Now it's Hindus, Muslims and Catholics who don't like homosexuality plus the rich and poor It still exists . It's just under different headings. Oh, I think we're a lot more diverse than we were when I grew up. More people, more technology, more stuff in the shops. Strangely, we have less media. Sydney used to have about ten daily newspapers - some had two editions a day.

Obviously not diverse when it comes to gay people hey???

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 9:12pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 9:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 9:04pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 9:02pm: double plus good wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:41pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:35pm: It's making excuses. excuses for what? :D :D Because the think tank thought multiculturalism would propel australia into a new level of understanding and harmony but all the old problems still exist. So they have to make excuses. The old problems most certainly do not exist. Sydney is no longer divided by Protestants and Catholics. The masons no longer run the cops and the public service. The communists no longer run the waterfront, and the unions no longer organise labour. Instead, dear, we have new problems. Still, I hardly think an issue like hommers being able to get married is one. Now it's Hindus, Muslims and Catholics who don't like homosexuality plus the rich and poor It still exists . It's just under different headings. Oh, I think we're a lot more diverse than we were when I grew up. More people, more technology, more stuff in the shops. Strangely, we have less media. Sydney used to have about ten daily newspapers - some had two editions a day. Obviously not diverse when it comes to gay people hey???

Sydney's one of the gay capitals of the world, dear.

What, exactly, are you trying to say?