Well another Redneck act of stupidity has resulted in an 8 year old girl dying in a Drag-Racing event.

People would sell out anything, even their children - to make $$$ on entertainment value.  ::)

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/wa/2017/11/12/girl-eight-dies-drag-race-crash/

Oh, and just on the news.
Father leaves gun on table forgetfully and infant kid shoots other infant sibling dead, in USA (of course).
::)

its parenting in the wrong hands isnt it.. :'( :'( :'(

poor little love I bet dad was there watching her...

what father would allow this?

for gods sakes WA change your laws...8yrs old.. :D :D :D

Jasin wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

Well another Redneck act of stupidity has resulted in an 8 year old girl dying in a Drag-Racing event. People would sell out anything, even their children - to make $$$ on entertainment value.  ::) http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/wa/2017/11/12/girl-eight-dies-drag-race-crash/

Very sad.

Dragsters and 8 year olds don't mix.

I would have thought they would have the safety capsule that F1 cars have.

Go-Karts would have been better at her age.

Poor little bugger   :'(

A couple of points, though.

cods: it's not just Perth.

"She had just turned eight on Thursday, the minimum age to be allowed to race under Australian National Drag Racing Association rules."


And, how many little girls have died as a result of pony/horse accidents?

Anyway, it's a tragic story - I hate hearing about kids being killed.

The poor little kid -
she was just trying to have some fun.

Those cars only have tiny engines - how the hell did she die?

210CC purple dragster.
Under ANDRA rules, racers aged between eight and 10 must not exceed 96km/h, but it is understood the top speeds of vehicles driven by beginners are much lower.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 6:28pm:

The poor little kid - she was just trying to have some fun. Those cars only have tiny engines - how the hell did she die?

Concrete barrier (which is cheap).

They need to install wire rope barriers.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 6:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:28pm: The poor little kid - she was just trying to have some fun. Those cars only have tiny engines - how the hell did she die? Concrete barrier (which is cheap). They need to install wire rope barriers.

But how could she steer into it?

Maybe there was a fault in the car?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 6:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:28pm: The poor little kid - she was just trying to have some fun. Those cars only have tiny engines - how the hell did she die? Concrete barrier (which is cheap). They need to install wire rope barriers. But how could she steer into it? Maybe there was a fault in the car?

Not the point.

If they had wire-rope barriers, she'd still be alive.

She died because the complex wanted to save money.

Sad.

As ridiculous as little kids riding trail bikes....for which some parents have been prosecuted.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:28pm: The poor little kid - she was just trying to have some fun. Those cars only have tiny engines - how the hell did she die? Concrete barrier (which is cheap). They need to install wire rope barriers. But how could she steer into it? Maybe there was a fault in the car? Not the point. If they had wire-rope barriers, she'd still be alive. She died because the complex wanted to save money. Sad.

I can assure you that the safety regulations set down by ANDRA
are very strict.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 6:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:28pm: The poor little kid - she was just trying to have some fun. Those cars only have tiny engines - how the hell did she die? Concrete barrier (which is cheap). They need to install wire rope barriers. But how could she steer into it? Maybe there was a fault in the car? Not the point. If they had wire-rope barriers, she'd still be alive. She died because the complex wanted to save money. Sad. I can assure you that the safety regulations set down by ANDRA are very strict.

Concrete barriers are not safe.

Wire-rope barriers save lives.

This poor child died because of cost-cutting.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Concrete barriers are not safe. Wire-rope barriers save lives. This poor child died because of cost-cutting.

I will follow this one.
I wonder what the coroner will say?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:44pm: Concrete barriers are not safe. Wire-rope barriers save lives. This poor child died because of cost-cutting. I will follow this one. I wonder what the coroner will say?

Concrete barriers aren't illegal - they're just the cheaper option.

Most of the concrete barriers on Perth's freeways have been replaced with wire-rope barrier, because the government knows it saves lives.

Poor little kid   :'(

Jasin wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

Well another Redneck act of stupidity has resulted in an 8 year old girl dying in a Drag-Racing event. People would sell out anything, even their children - to make $$$ on entertainment value.  ::) http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/wa/2017/11/12/girl-eight-dies-drag-race-crash/

So ?

Jasin wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

Well another Redneck act of stupidity has resulted in an 8 year old girl dying in a Drag-Racing event.

The "news" here in Perth, has just reported that she's alive.

WTF?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:40pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:28pm: The poor little kid - she was just trying to have some fun. Those cars only have tiny engines - how the hell did she die? Concrete barrier (which is cheap). They need to install wire rope barriers. But how could she steer into it? Maybe there was a fault in the car? Not the point. If they had wire-rope barriers, she'd still be alive. She died because the complex wanted to save money. Sad. I can assure you that the safety regulations set down by ANDRA are very strict. Concrete barriers are not safe. Wire-rope barriers save lives. This poor child died because of cost-cutting.

All race tracks should have large sand filled run-off areas.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 5:39pm: Well another Redneck act of stupidity has resulted in an 8 year old girl dying in a Drag-Racing event. The "news" here in Perth, has just reported that she's alive. WTF?

The news here reported that she died late this afternoon.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 8:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Jasin wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 5:39pm: Well another Redneck act of stupidity has resulted in an 8 year old girl dying in a Drag-Racing event. The "news" here in Perth, has just reported that she's alive. WTF? The news here reported that she died late this afternoon.

Our 5 pm report - one hour ago - said she was fighting for life in hospital.

Disgusting!

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 8:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Jasin wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 5:39pm: Well another Redneck act of stupidity has resulted in an 8 year old girl dying in a Drag-Racing event. The "news" here in Perth, has just reported that she's alive. WTF? The news here reported that she died late this afternoon. Our 5 pm report - one hour ago - said she was fighting for life in hospital. Disgusting!

What channel?  Looks like they've been caught airing a prerecord.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 6:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:28pm: The poor little kid - she was just trying to have some fun. Those cars only have tiny engines - how the hell did she die? Concrete barrier (which is cheap). They need to install wire rope barriers.

Yes so she could have been decapitated ::)

Poor little girl.
Put her faith in Daddy, that everything will be fine.
Daddy put his faith in her to one day become a world champion (because you got to start them younger, to get the edge - like a prodigy) and make him $$$$$$$

Another kid dead - because parents 'push the envelope' (and hope there is money inside ...in the end).

Gnads wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 8:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:28pm: The poor little kid - she was just trying to have some fun. Those cars only have tiny engines - how the hell did she die? Concrete barrier (which is cheap). They need to install wire rope barriers. Yes so she could have been decapitated ::)

my thoughts exactly.... :'( :'(

She went to Hospital in a critical condition.
Pretty much mangled up.
But of course, she eventually died.
Bad accident. To 'bad' an accident to deny that these dragsters and the surrounding environment are too dangerous.
Even dangerous for adults.

Jasin wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

She went to Hospital in a critical condition. Pretty much mangled up. But of course, she eventually died. Bad accident. To 'bad' an accident to deny that these dragsters and the surrounding environment are too dangerous. Even dangerous for adults.

It's a very dangerous sport -
I think the drivers are a bit crazy.
This is the best video I've ever seen
but these cars are for adults not toy dragsters for kids:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953oB09BlgI

Listen to you lot. How many kids or even adults die drag racing? It'a pretty sad thing to have happen but do you have any idea how many kids do this, speedway, gokarts etc? As someone said, compare that to getting on something as unpredictable as a horse. When I was in primary school a kid got killed playing cricket, hit in the head by a ball. Nothing is without risk.

Greg, if they put up wire like they do on freeways can you imagine what would happen when an adult in a car that does a 3.5 second 1/4 hits one? Shredded cheese comes to mind. The thought reminds me of the guy when I was a late teen in Perth that missed a bend at high speed on a bike on Scarborough Beach Road in Mt Hawthorn and went through a chain link fence. Through being the operative word there.

Setanta wrote on Nov 13^th, 2017 at 2:28am:

Listen to you lot. How many kids or even adults die drag racing? It'a pretty sad thing to have happen but do you have any idea how many kids do this, speedway, gokarts etc? As someone said, compare that to getting on something as unpredictable as a horse. When I was in primary school a kid got killed playing cricket, hit in the head by a ball. Nothing is without risk. Greg, if they put up wire like they do on freeways can you imagine what would happen when an adult in a car that does a 3.5 second 1/4 hits one? Shredded cheese comes to mind. The thought reminds me of the guy when I was a late teen in Perth that missed a bend at high speed on a bike on Scarborough Beach Road in Mt Hawthorn and went through a chain link fence. Through being the operative word there.

Why do people enter the danger zones of life?

It's because they place more value on fun and thrill.

Safety will always be the trade off.

The parents of this little girl have a lot to answer for.

As regards the little girl herself.....

RIP little angel ♡♡♡

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13^th, 2017 at 6:06am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 2:28am: Listen to you lot. How many kids or even adults die drag racing? It'a pretty sad thing to have happen but do you have any idea how many kids do this, speedway, gokarts etc? As someone said, compare that to getting on something as unpredictable as a horse. When I was in primary school a kid got killed playing cricket, hit in the head by a ball. Nothing is without risk. Greg, if they put up wire like they do on freeways can you imagine what would happen when an adult in a car that does a 3.5 second 1/4 hits one? Shredded cheese comes to mind. The thought reminds me of the guy when I was a late teen in Perth that missed a bend at high speed on a bike on Scarborough Beach Road in Mt Hawthorn and went through a chain link fence. Through being the operative word there. Why do people enter the danger zones of life? It's because they place more value on fun and thrill. Safety will always be the trade off. The parents of this little girl have a lot to answer for. As regards the little girl herself..... RIP little angel ♡♡♡

Life has no value without risk and fun. The parents have nothing to answer for.

Setanta wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 1:10am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 6:06am: Setanta wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 2:28am: Listen to you lot. How many kids or even adults die drag racing? It'a pretty sad thing to have happen but do you have any idea how many kids do this, speedway, gokarts etc? As someone said, compare that to getting on something as unpredictable as a horse. When I was in primary school a kid got killed playing cricket, hit in the head by a ball. Nothing is without risk. Greg, if they put up wire like they do on freeways can you imagine what would happen when an adult in a car that does a 3.5 second 1/4 hits one? Shredded cheese comes to mind. The thought reminds me of the guy when I was a late teen in Perth that missed a bend at high speed on a bike on Scarborough Beach Road in Mt Hawthorn and went through a chain link fence. Through being the operative word there. Why do people enter the danger zones of life? It's because they place more value on fun and thrill. Safety will always be the trade off. The parents of this little girl have a lot to answer for. As regards the little girl herself..... RIP little angel ♡♡♡ Life has no value without risk and fun. The parents have nothing to answer for.

Life has quite enough risk thank you very much. 

Without adding MORE to it.

Those parents were foolish!

Why?

That little girl should never have been placed in such a high risk position by them.

yeah, gweg stuffed up on that one.

wire is the cheap alternative.

concrete is about 3 times the cost  and they use wire to cut costs

tsk tsk. ::) ::)

"Wire Rope Safety Barriers, also known as flexible barriers, are road barriers made up of four tensioned wire ropes supported by steel posts.

"They are described as flexible because they stretch and absorb the force of the crash.

"The barriers use a dual mechanism to slow down and divert excessive force away from the people inside the vehicles.

"The ropes deflect and absorb the energy and the posts collapse, slowing down and redirecting the vehicle away from the hazard with very little rebound.

"Research has proven the wire rope safety barrier as the most forgiving system, with people more likely to survive than other available road barriers.

"After significant research by Monash University Accident Research Centre (MUARC) into Wire Rope barriers, the findings demonstrate they can significantly reduce the risk of death and serious injury in crashes.

"It shows that flexible barriers are superior, compared with concrete and Steel W-beam barriers."

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 6:02am:

yeah, gweg stuffed up on that one. wire is the cheap alternative. concrete is about 3 times the cost  and they use wire to cut costs tsk tsk. ::) ::)

One of Australia's exclusive law firms shares your sentiments.

https://www.mauriceblackburn.com.au/blog/2016/november/15/the-problem-with-wire-rope-safety-barriers/

"It shows that flexible barriers are superior, compared with concrete and Steel W-beam barriers."

/thread

From that link......

Many would agree that some of the worst road trauma is as a result of head-on collisions, closely followed by accidents involving trees and telephone poles, on high speed stretches of road.

News reports and photographs of accident scenes, along with now infamous TAC commercials re-creating these events, are no doubt burned into the brain of many Australian motorists.  And perhaps it’s images like these that have underwritten the rise of wire barriers in Australia. 

Wire rope safety barriers (wire barriers), also known as flexible barriers or cable fences, are highly tensioned wire ropes, supported by steel posts. The barriers are designed to slow or stop wayward vehicles by absorbing their impact and, in doing so, reduce major off-road and head-on collisions on our roads.    

Wire barriers are quick and easy to install and are, at least in the short term, relatively cheap.

The use of wire barriers is increasingly popular in Australia as shown by a recent government announcement that a further 330km of the barriers are to be installed in Victoria alone in the coming year.

Wire rope barriers are effective but designed to stop cars, not low slung flimsy DIY drag cars.

There are design issues with just about all race tracks.

There should be 100m of run-offs with sand traps around all of the track, but obliviously that's not as spectator friendly.

Again fom that link.....


So, what’s the problem with wire barriers?
“In some areas wire barriers are pretty good, but if you’re not careful where you put them they can be incredibly dangerous” says road safety expert and Australian Motorcycle Council spokesman, Guy Stanford. 

Motorcyclists, in particular, have raised concerns that wire barriers can act as a “cheese cutter” when riders fall or slide into them. But, according to Stanford, “The biggest problem is the vertical posts. Upright objects are a motorcyclists’ worst enemy. Whether it’s a tree, a telephone pole or a post in a fence, where there’s an upright, that’s where the force is concentrated and that’s what kills or seriously injures riders.”   

It’s not only motorcyclists who are put at risk where wire barriers are unsuitably installed. Their effectiveness relies on the wire remaining highly tensioned, and even minor contact with vehicles can cause the barriers to slacken. It’s expensive and time consuming to “retention” the wire, meaning many remain slack and of little use.

Wire barriers also have limited capacity to slow or absorb the energy of larger vehicles like trucks and buses when compared with, say, a concrete barrier. It’s estimated that wire barriers will often become “frangible” (break into fragments) when struck by vehicles heavier than 700kg, depending of course on the speed the vehicle is travelling

still going to go with the lie that concrete is the cheap alternative gweg.

i think you said they used concrete as they were cost cutting.

i think you said this at least 4 times.

and yet here we are, with the authorities stating that wire is the cheaper alternative.

tsk tsk

Lisa, when I rode a motorbike just the sight of those wire barriers made me slow down, so I guess they're somewhat effective.

And FINALLY......top legal advice concludes :

In contrast, the strength of concrete barriers means they’re not regularly slackened, knocked over or driven straight through by heavy vehicles. Concrete barriers are more expensive to install but the costly maintenance of wire barriers means they are more expensive over their life cycle.

But, perhaps most importantly, the smooth surface created by concrete barriers is by far the safest for motorcyclists, who tend to slide along the road surface after an accident. If the first point of impact is a smooth surface they are far less likely to be killed or seriously injured. Though, as Stanford points out, “Anything will kill you if you hit it hard enough. But having a smooth surface at least gives the rider a chance, the posts are lethal.”   

What’s the answer?

“There has to be a very careful set of criteria used to determine whether wire barriers, concrete barriers or something else is installed in a particular area.

At the moment wire barriers are the latest craze and the authorities have decided to stick them up everywhere, but a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work when it comes to road safety” Stanford says.

And there you have it!

Fair/balanced .... the truth!

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

"Wire Rope Safety Barriers, also known as flexible barriers, are road barriers made up of four tensioned wire ropes supported by steel posts. "They are described as flexible because they stretch and absorb the force of the crash. "The barriers use a dual mechanism to slow down and divert excessive force away from the people inside the vehicles. "The ropes deflect and absorb the energy and the posts collapse, slowing down and redirecting the vehicle away from the hazard with very little rebound. "Research has proven the wire rope safety barrier as the most forgiving system, with people more likely to survive than other available road barriers. "After significant research by Monash University Accident Research Centre (MUARC) into Wire Rope barriers, the findings demonstrate they can significantly reduce the risk of death and serious injury in crashes. "It shows that flexible barriers are superior, compared with concrete and Steel W-beam barriers."

since when did wire stretch?....

of course something flexible would be better than concrete    but if you are going to make it accepts able 8 yr olds to drag race

old mattresses would be better than either of those products thats for sure. >:( >:(

first of all do not give 8yr olds a powerful machine to race with.....even a horse is dangerous  for a kid at  that age....

get real.. a drag car is not a toy....

Gordon wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 8:21am:

Lisa, when I rode a motorbike just the sight of those wire barriers made me slow down, so I guess they're somewhat effective.

I only drive cars.....usually 4 wheel drives.

The sight of those wire barriers scare me.

Any damage to my car would cost thousands.

Plus an almighty migraine.

The same applies to concrete barriers.

I must say....I much prefer the "look" of the wire barriers.....

Anyway.....re safety. I agree with the fair and balanced advice/conclusions by one of Australia's top law firms.

Refer above  :)

NB I so dislike motorcyclists. They make me feel nervous. That's why I always give THEM the benefit of the doubt when sharing the road.

cods wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 8:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:01am: "Wire Rope Safety Barriers, also known as flexible barriers, are road barriers made up of four tensioned wire ropes supported by steel posts. "They are described as flexible because they stretch and absorb the force of the crash. "The barriers use a dual mechanism to slow down and divert excessive force away from the people inside the vehicles. "The ropes deflect and absorb the energy and the posts collapse, slowing down and redirecting the vehicle away from the hazard with very little rebound. "Research has proven the wire rope safety barrier as the most forgiving system, with people more likely to survive than other available road barriers. "After significant research by Monash University Accident Research Centre (MUARC) into Wire Rope barriers, the findings demonstrate they can significantly reduce the risk of death and serious injury in crashes. "It shows that flexible barriers are superior, compared with concrete and Steel W-beam barriers." since when did wire stretch?.... of course something flexible would be better than concrete    but if you are going to make it accepts able 8 yr olds to drag race old mattresses would be better than either of those products thats for sure. >:( >:( first of all do not give 8yr olds a powerful machine to race with.....even a horse is dangerous  for a kid at  that age.... get real.. a drag car is not a toy....

absolutely cods.

but i do find that the kids who take a few risks and take a few knocks , develop a better skill set which in the end keeps them safer.

most of the wrecks i have seen on horses or bikes or cars are teenagers who didnt have that foundation.

they went from a cocooned and molly coddled existance to something dangerous and their skills werent honed.

i'm way safer now then i was early on because those little falls and knocks teach you the lessons that keep you safe in the long term

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 8:31am:

cods wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:23am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:01am: "Wire Rope Safety Barriers, also known as flexible barriers, are road barriers made up of four tensioned wire ropes supported by steel posts. "They are described as flexible because they stretch and absorb the force of the crash. "The barriers use a dual mechanism to slow down and divert excessive force away from the people inside the vehicles. "The ropes deflect and absorb the energy and the posts collapse, slowing down and redirecting the vehicle away from the hazard with very little rebound. "Research has proven the wire rope safety barrier as the most forgiving system, with people more likely to survive than other available road barriers. "After significant research by Monash University Accident Research Centre (MUARC) into Wire Rope barriers, the findings demonstrate they can significantly reduce the risk of death and serious injury in crashes. "It shows that flexible barriers are superior, compared with concrete and Steel W-beam barriers." since when did wire stretch?.... of course something flexible would be better than concrete    but if you are going to make it accepts able 8 yr olds to drag race old mattresses would be better than either of those products thats for sure. >:( >:( first of all do not give 8yr olds a powerful machine to race with.....even a horse is dangerous  for a kid at  that age.... get real.. a drag car is not a toy.... absolutely cods. but i do find that the kids who take a few risks and take a few knocks , develop a better skill set which in the end keeps them safer. most of the wrecks i have seen on horses or bikes or cars are teenagers who didnt have that foundation. they went from a cocooned and molly coddled existance to something dangerous and their skills werent honed. i'm way safer now then i was early on because those little falls and knocks teach you the lessons that keep you safe in the long term

my granddaughter had riding lessons when she was about that age   and I led her round the arena  as did all the other kids.....no one was allowed to ride alone...even those the ponies were little and not fiesty..

it stands to reason this child had turned 8 two days before this accident.. how could she have had any training to be allowed into a dangerous drag car...... do racing car drivers get into their first car and drive at full speed????... not all children are coordinated at that age....its ridiculous..

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 6:37pm:

As ridiculous as little kids riding trail bikes....for which some parents have been prosecuted.

Drag racing?  Really?
Honestly who in their right mind allows this sort of thing.
It should never have been allowed and not be allowed to continue.
18+ only.

Grendel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 8:40am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:37pm: As ridiculous as little kids riding trail bikes....for which some parents have been prosecuted. Drag racing?  Really? Honestly who in their right mind allows this sort of thing. It should never have been allowed and not be allowed to continue. 18+ only.

Exactly!

cods wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 8:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:01am: "Wire Rope Safety Barriers, also known as flexible barriers, are road barriers made up of four tensioned wire ropes supported by steel posts. "They are described as flexible because they stretch and absorb the force of the crash. "The barriers use a dual mechanism to slow down and divert excessive force away from the people inside the vehicles. "The ropes deflect and absorb the energy and the posts collapse, slowing down and redirecting the vehicle away from the hazard with very little rebound. "Research has proven the wire rope safety barrier as the most forgiving system, with people more likely to survive than other available road barriers. "After significant research by Monash University Accident Research Centre (MUARC) into Wire Rope barriers, the findings demonstrate they can significantly reduce the risk of death and serious injury in crashes. "It shows that flexible barriers are superior, compared with concrete and Steel W-beam barriers." since when did wire stretch?.... ....

Since forever.

Wire-rope barriers are the safest option for cars (including drag cars).

Countries all over the world are switching to flexible wire-rope barriers on their freeways, as they save more lives.

Drag probably strips need to incorporate a mixture of wire-rope barriers (for cars) and portable water-filled barriers (for bikes).

Such a shame this poor little girl lost her life.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 8:22am:

And FINALLY......top legal advice concludes : In contrast, the strength of concrete barriers means they’re not regularly slackened, knocked over or driven straight through by heavy vehicles. Concrete barriers are more expensive to install but the costly maintenance of wire barriers means they are more expensive over their life cycle. But, perhaps most importantly, the smooth surface created by concrete barriers is by far the safest for motorcyclists, who tend to slide along the road surface after an accident. If the first point of impact is a smooth surface they are far less likely to be killed or seriously injured. Though, as Stanford points out, “Anything will kill you if you hit it hard enough. But having a smooth surface at least gives the rider a chance, the posts are lethal.”    What’s the answer? “There has to be a very careful set of criteria used to determine whether wire barriers, concrete barriers or something else is installed in a particular area. At the moment wire barriers are the latest craze and the authorities have decided to stick them up everywhere, but a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work when it comes to road safety” Stanford says. And there you have it! Fair/balanced .... the truth!

Here you go Cods  :)

"Research has proven the wire rope safety barrier as the most forgiving system, with people more likely to survive than other available road barriers."


And there we have it.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 8:22am:

And FINALLY......top legal advice concludes : In contrast, the strength of concrete barriers means they’re not regularly slackened, knocked over or driven straight through by heavy vehicles. Concrete barriers are more expensive to install but the costly maintenance of wire barriers means they are more expensive over their life cycle. But, perhaps most importantly, the smooth surface created by concrete barriers is by far the safest for motorcyclists, who tend to slide along the road surface after an accident. If the first point of impact is a smooth surface they are far less likely to be killed or seriously injured. Though, as Stanford points out, “Anything will kill you if you hit it hard enough. But having a smooth surface at least gives the rider a chance, the posts are lethal.”    What’s the answer? “There has to be a very careful set of criteria used to determine whether wire barriers, concrete barriers or something else is installed in a particular area. At the moment wire barriers are the latest craze and the authorities have decided to stick them up everywhere, but a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work when it comes to road safety” Stanford says. And there you have it! Fair/balanced .... the truth!

Here you go Cods  :)

Go with exclusive legal advice which has been tried and tested in court. THAT'S WHAT ULTIMATELY STANDS.

Not some cheap govt spruiking waffle.

cods: you and I both know the difference between a motorbike and a drag car; it's a shame others don't.

"After significant research by Monash University Accident Research Centre (MUARC) into Wire Rope barriers, the findings demonstrate they can significantly reduce the risk of death and serious injury in crashes.

"It shows that flexible barriers are superior, compared with concrete and Steel W-beam barriers."

It's very sad that this little girl has lost her life, and I hope her family can find some peace.

What I also find sad, is the fact that some people will use a horrific accident like this to try and push some sort of personal agenda, and play an extremely childish game of one-upmanship.

I'm sure other forum members will agree with me on that.

Anyway cods, here's some more interesting reading.

Of course, they're talking about roads here, not drag strips, but it will still give you an understanding of the superior safety aspects of wire-rope barriers.

“Our research indicates that barriers like the concrete barriers are not overly good for road safety simply because they're so rigid,” she says. “Whatever impact force occurs at a crash, most if not all of the force goes straight back into the vehicle and to therefore the occupants.”

“Armco barriers are in-between; they're semi-rigid. There's still a high risk of occupants sustaining injury when colliding with this guard rail. There's also some situations where the guard rail can actually pierce the vehicle.”

"The impact-absorbing ability of fractable wire rope barriers means they are generally regarded as the safest option."

Wire rope barriers shown to reduce serious crash incidence by up to 87%

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 8:41am:

Grendel wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:40am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:37pm: As ridiculous as little kids riding trail bikes....for which some parents have been prosecuted. Drag racing?  Really? Honestly who in their right mind allows this sort of thing. It should never have been allowed and not be allowed to continue. 18+ only. Exactly!

yes.

can't drive until 16, but drag racing ........ that's ok

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 9:25am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:41am: Grendel wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:40am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:37pm: As ridiculous as little kids riding trail bikes....for which some parents have been prosecuted. Drag racing?  Really? Honestly who in their right mind allows this sort of thing. It should never have been allowed and not be allowed to continue. 18+ only. Exactly! yes. can't drive until 16, but drag racing ........ that's ok

It's ridiculous....isn't it?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 8:45am:

cods wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:23am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:01am: "Wire Rope Safety Barriers, also known as flexible barriers, are road barriers made up of four tensioned wire ropes supported by steel posts. "They are described as flexible because they stretch and absorb the force of the crash. "The barriers use a dual mechanism to slow down and divert excessive force away from the people inside the vehicles. "The ropes deflect and absorb the energy and the posts collapse, slowing down and redirecting the vehicle away from the hazard with very little rebound. "Research has proven the wire rope safety barrier as the most forgiving system, with people more likely to survive than other available road barriers. "After significant research by Monash University Accident Research Centre (MUARC) into Wire Rope barriers, the findings demonstrate they can significantly reduce the risk of death and serious injury in crashes. "It shows that flexible barriers are superior, compared with concrete and Steel W-beam barriers." since when did wire stretch?.... .... Since forever. Wire-rope barriers are the safest option for cars (including drag cars). Countries all over the world are switching to flexible wire-rope barriers on their freeways, as they save more lives. Drag probably strips need to incorporate a mixture of wire-rope barriers (for cars) and portable water-filled barriers (for bikes). Such a shame this poor little girl lost her life.

again untrue.

wire is the CHEAPER option (a point on which you lied by saying the greedy owners were cost cutting by putting in concrete).
so please admit the lie.

for the centre dividing barrier on major highways, concrete is much more expensive but SAFER because it prevents cars crossing and causing head on collisions.(and concrete at a drag strip would prevent a car hurtling into the crowd much more then wire)

they use wire down the traffic island for one reason only. it is CHEAPER.

have you brought any concrete lately. its bloody dear.
wire is much cheaper .
tsk tsk

"It shows that flexible barriers are superior, compared with concrete and Steel W-beam barriers."


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Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 9:28am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 9:25am: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:41am: Grendel wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:40am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:37pm: As ridiculous as little kids riding trail bikes....for which some parents have been prosecuted. Drag racing?  Really? Honestly who in their right mind allows this sort of thing. It should never have been allowed and not be allowed to continue. 18+ only. Exactly! yes. can't drive until 16, but drag racing ........ that's ok It's ridiculous....isn't it?

I did not let one of my sons play rugby due to the injuries.

Drive a drag car at 8 years old ...... No way

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 9:47am:

"It shows that flexible barriers are superior, compared with concrete and Steel W-beam barriers." http://www.wakingtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Smug-Look-296x300.jpeg

Where's a report to show they're suitable for racetracks?

And of course, the maintenance of wire-rope systems is much more expensive than maintaining a concrete barrier.

Whilst definitely more expensive in the long run, wire-rope barriers are far safer for road users (and drag car divers, and spectators).

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 9:41am:

for the centre dividing barrier on major highways, concrete is much more expensive but SAFER because it prevents cars crossing and causing head on collisions.(and concrete at a drag strip would prevent a car hurtling into the crowd much more then wire)

Could not be further from the truth.

"The ropes deflect and absorb the energy and the posts collapse, slowing down and redirecting the vehicle away from the hazard with very little rebound."

"In the centre of the road, they are very effective at preventing head-on crashes, i.e. when a vehicle crosses the white line in the middle of the road or the grassed median strip into oncoming cars."

https://www.towardszero.vic.gov.au/news/articles/flexible-barriers-how-they-work-and-the-cheese-cutter-myth

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 9:49am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 9:28am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 9:25am: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:41am: Grendel wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:40am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:37pm: As ridiculous as little kids riding trail bikes....for which some parents have been prosecuted. Drag racing?  Really? Honestly who in their right mind allows this sort of thing. It should never have been allowed and not be allowed to continue. 18+ only. Exactly! yes. can't drive until 16, but drag racing ........ that's ok It's ridiculous....isn't it? I did not let one of my sons play rugby due to the injuries. Drive a drag car at 8 years old ...... No way

Exactly!

The parents of that little girl are bloody reckless if you ask me.

Ajax wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 5:39pm: Well another Redneck act of stupidity has resulted in an 8 year old girl dying in a Drag-Racing event. People would sell out anything, even their children - to make $$$ on entertainment value.  ::) http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/wa/2017/11/12/girl-eight-dies-drag-race-crash/ Very sad. Dragsters and 8 year olds don't mix. I would have thought they would have the safety capsule that F1 cars have. Go-Karts would have been better at her age.

Yes!

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 10:20am:

Ajax wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 5:46pm: Jasin wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 5:39pm: Well another Redneck act of stupidity has resulted in an 8 year old girl dying in a Drag-Racing event. People would sell out anything, even their children - to make $$$ on entertainment value.  ::) http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/wa/2017/11/12/girl-eight-dies-drag-race-crash/ Very sad. Dragsters and 8 year olds don't mix. I would have thought they would have the safety capsule that F1 cars have. Go-Karts would have been better at her age. Yes!

Go-Karts, back yard cricket, shopping malls ...... sure.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 8:18am:

From that link (from Maurice Blackburn) : So, what’s the problem with wire barriers? “In some areas wire barriers are pretty good, but if you’re not careful where you put them they can be incredibly dangerous” says road safety expert and Australian Motorcycle Council spokesman, Guy Stanford.  Motorcyclists, in particular, have raised concerns that wire barriers can act as a “cheese cutter” when riders fall or slide into them. But, according to Stanford, “The biggest problem is the vertical posts. Upright objects are a motorcyclists’ worst enemy. Whether it’s a tree, a telephone pole or a post in a fence, where there’s an upright, that’s where the force is concentrated and that’s what kills or seriously injures riders.”    It’s not only motorcyclists who are put at risk where wire barriers are unsuitably installed. Their effectiveness relies on the wire remaining highly tensioned, and even minor contact with vehicles can cause the barriers to slacken. It’s expensive and time consuming to “retention” the wire, meaning many remain slack and of little use. Wire barriers also have limited capacity to slow or absorb the energy of larger vehicles like trucks and buses when compared with, say, a concrete barrier. It’s estimated that wire barriers will often become “frangible” (break into fragments) when struck by vehicles heavier than 700kg, depending of course on the speed the vehicle is travelling.

Hmmmm.

So, both motorcycles and vehicles don't really benefit when they come into contact with wire barriers.

"Research has proven the wire rope safety barrier as the most forgiving system, with people more likely to survive than other available road barriers.

"After significant research by Monash University Accident Research Centre (MUARC) into Wire Rope barriers, the findings demonstrate they can significantly reduce the risk of death and serious injury in crashes.

"It shows that flexible barriers are superior, compared with concrete and Steel W-beam barriers."


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Gordon wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 9:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 9:47am: "It shows that flexible barriers are superior, compared with concrete and Steel W-beam barriers." http://www.wakingtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Smug-Look-296x300.jpeg Where's a report to show they're suitable for racetracks?

OUCH!

Gordon wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 9:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 9:47am: "It shows that flexible barriers are superior, compared with concrete and Steel W-beam barriers." http://www.wakingtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Smug-Look-296x300.jpeg Where's a report to show they're suitable for racetracks?

The accident actually happened on a drag strip.

Drag strips, in case you weren't aware, are long and straight.

Now, let's hear from the experts:

Ingal Civil Products, Product Manager Luke Gallagher says WRSB are suitable for a very broad range of road environments but are particularly suited to relatively straight roads or roads with large radius bends. "The limiting factor in their use is very tight curves which can be in the horizontal or vertical planes," he says.

"Gallagher says the systems work in a similar way other semi rigid barriers, such as guardrails. "The interaction begins with vehicle engaging the barrier and some deflection of the barrier will occur, the resistance to deflection is what contains and redirects the barrier back towards the road and away from the hazard," he explains.

"In WRSB systems, the cables do the most of the work in the redirection of the vehicle and these cables have a really high capacity to absorb significant impact energy. In a concrete barrier there is also high capacity but no deflection and this rigidity creates a very violent impact where all the impact loads are absorbed by the impacting vehicle. WRSB systems share this load and offer a much softer and lower risk impact on the vehicle occupants.

ah but gweg, you said 4 x that they were doing it as a cost cutting exercise.

fail.

Costs
Typical installation and repair costs for simple installations:
Installation Cost/metre Typical Repair Costs/metre
Concrete $150+
Steel W-beam $120+
Wire ropes $130+

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 9:25am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:41am: Grendel wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:40am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:37pm: As ridiculous as little kids riding trail bikes....for which some parents have been prosecuted. Drag racing?  Really? Honestly who in their right mind allows this sort of thing. It should never have been allowed and not be allowed to continue. 18+ only. Exactly! yes. can't drive until 16, but drag racing ........ that's ok

Well no.....clearly it's not ok.

And the law needs to be reviewed as regards drag racing.

No amount of post mortem analysis by us HERE TODAY is going to help bring this girl back/change what happened.

But something needs to change so as to prevent further children dying like she did.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

ah but gweg, you said 4 x that they were doing it as a cost cutting exercise.

Correct.

I'll say it a 5th, if you like.

Maintaining a WRSB is very expensive.

Every time a vehicle hits the barrier, it costs many hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars to repair.

The posts are designed to collapse on impact, and they must be replaced every time they're hit.

Moreover, the wire rope itself stretches and also needs to be replaced, or at the very minimum retensioned, after a hit from a vehicle.

These components are expensive, and the labour isn't provided for free.

Conversely, when a vehicle hits a concrete barrier, there is usually no need for any maintenance at all (other than maybe pushing a block back into place).

Now, if there's anything else you need to know about this subject (which you quite clearly know next to nothing about), feel free to ask me.

I'm here to help.

Again, I hope this poor little girl's family finds peace soon.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 11:31am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 11:23am: ah but gweg, you said 4 x that they were doing it as a cost cutting exercise. Correct. I'll say it a 5th, if you like. Maintaining a WRSB is very expensive. Every time a vehicle hits the barrier, it costs many hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars to repair. The posts are designed to collapse on impact, and they must be replaced every time they're hit. Moreover, the wire rope itself stretches and also needs to be replaced, or at the very minimum retensioned, after a hit from a vehicle. These components are expensive, and the labour isn't provided for free. Conversely, when a vehicle hits a concrete barrier, there is usually no need for any maintenance at all (other than maybe pushing a block back into place). Now, if there's anything else you need to know about this subject (which you quite clearly know next to nothing about), feel free to ask me. I'm here to help. Again, I hope this poor little girl's family finds peace soon.

so you can see a drag racing circuit taking on something like that then....sure you can..

how about getting them to change the rules about 8yr olds.....we wont even allow kids to box over here...and that would not have these risks involved in it...

a child has to be 7 before being allowed to sit in the front passenger seat of a family car...


can anyone see how bizarre this all is?..

cods wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 11:31am: aquascoot wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 11:23am: ah but gweg, you said 4 x that they were doing it as a cost cutting exercise. Correct. I'll say it a 5th, if you like. Maintaining a WRSB is very expensive. Every time a vehicle hits the barrier, it costs many hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars to repair. The posts are designed to collapse on impact, and they must be replaced every time they're hit. Moreover, the wire rope itself stretches and also needs to be replaced, or at the very minimum retensioned, after a hit from a vehicle. These components are expensive, and the labour isn't provided for free. Conversely, when a vehicle hits a concrete barrier, there is usually no need for any maintenance at all (other than maybe pushing a block back into place). Now, if there's anything else you need to know about this subject (which you quite clearly know next to nothing about), feel free to ask me. I'm here to help. Again, I hope this poor little girl's family finds peace soon. so you can see a drag racing circuit taking on something like that then....sure you can.. .

No, probably not, cods.

As I said, it's very expensive to maintain.

Every time a car runs into it, it costs hundreds (even thousands) of dollars to repair.

And, let's face it, the barriers on a drag strip get hit fairly often so they're just not going to go down that path (unless regulations are introduced after this tragic incident, perhaps).

And, on a side note, I found out where aquascoot got his figures from (see his post above).

What he failed to let everyone know is, what the next paragraph said.

Let's take a look, shall we:

"However after only one impact, maintenance costs make WRB (wire rope barrier) more expensive than concrete.

"Over the years, WRB will be many times more expensive than alternatives because it requires more maintenance".

Just another insight into how "genuine" that particular forum member is.

The fact remains: WRB is much safer, but also much more expensive to maintain.

It's such a horrible thing when small children die, and even harder to accept when it boils down to cost-cutting.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 6:28pm: The poor little kid - she was just trying to have some fun. Those cars only have tiny engines - how the hell did she die? Concrete barrier (which is cheap). They need to install wire rope barriers. But how could she steer into it? Maybe there was a fault in the car? Not the point. If they had wire-rope barriers, she'd still be alive.

What a ridiculous and absurd claim!

One that doesn't stand a chance on this forum let alone in a court of law.

cods wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 11:31am: aquascoot wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 11:23am: ah but gweg, you said 4 x that they were doing it as a cost cutting exercise. Correct. I'll say it a 5th, if you like. Maintaining a WRSB is very expensive. Every time a vehicle hits the barrier, it costs many hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars to repair. The posts are designed to collapse on impact, and they must be replaced every time they're hit. Moreover, the wire rope itself stretches and also needs to be replaced, or at the very minimum retensioned, after a hit from a vehicle. These components are expensive, and the labour isn't provided for free. Conversely, when a vehicle hits a concrete barrier, there is usually no need for any maintenance at all (other than maybe pushing a block back into place). Now, if there's anything else you need to know about this subject (which you quite clearly know next to nothing about), feel free to ask me. I'm here to help. Again, I hope this poor little girl's family finds peace soon. so you can see a drag racing circuit taking on something like that then....sure you can.. how about getting them to change the rules about 8yr olds.......

Some good news on that, cods.

"JUNIOR drag racing in WA has been suspended after the tragic death of eight-year-old Anita Board at the weekend, as her father claims there is no need for major changes to the sport.

"Sport and Recreation Minister Mick Murray announced the suspension for all racers aged between eight and 16 pending the results of a police investigation into the crash at Perth Motorplex on Saturday."

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 8:18am: From that link (from Maurice Blackburn) : So, what’s the problem with wire barriers? “In some areas wire barriers are pretty good, but if you’re not careful where you put them they can be incredibly dangerous” says road safety expert and Australian Motorcycle Council spokesman, Guy Stanford.  Motorcyclists, in particular, have raised concerns that wire barriers can act as a “cheese cutter” when riders fall or slide into them. But, according to Stanford, “The biggest problem is the vertical posts. Upright objects are a motorcyclists’ worst enemy. Whether it’s a tree, a telephone pole or a post in a fence, where there’s an upright, that’s where the force is concentrated and that’s what kills or seriously injures riders.”    It’s not only motorcyclists who are put at risk where wire barriers are unsuitably installed. Their effectiveness relies on the wire remaining highly tensioned, and even minor contact with vehicles can cause the barriers to slacken. It’s expensive and time consuming to “retention” the wire, meaning many remain slack and of little use. Wire barriers also have limited capacity to slow or absorb the energy of larger vehicles like trucks and buses when compared with, say, a concrete barrier. It’s estimated that wire barriers will often become “frangible” (break into fragments) when struck by vehicles heavier than 700kg, depending of course on the speed the vehicle is travelling. Hmmmm. So, both motorcycles and vehicles don't really benefit when they come into contact with wire barriers.

This legally researched advice however is not absurd and it's certainly not ridiculous!

The case is clear:

"It shows that flexible barriers are superior, compared with concrete and Steel W-beam barriers."

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 8:22am:

And FINALLY......top legal advice concludes : In contrast, the strength of concrete barriers means they’re not regularly slackened, knocked over or driven straight through by heavy vehicles. Concrete barriers are more expensive to install but the costly maintenance of wire barriers means they are more expensive over their life cycle. But, perhaps most importantly, the smooth surface created by concrete barriers is by far the safest for motorcyclists, who tend to slide along the road surface after an accident. If the first point of impact is a smooth surface they are far less likely to be killed or seriously injured. Though, as Stanford points out, “Anything will kill you if you hit it hard enough. But having a smooth surface at least gives the rider a chance, the posts are lethal.”    What’s the answer? “There has to be a very careful set of criteria used to determine whether wire barriers, concrete barriers or something else is installed in a particular area. At the moment wire barriers are the latest craze and the authorities have decided to stick them up everywhere, but a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work when it comes to road safety” Stanford says. And there you have it! Fair/balanced .... the truth!

Here you go Cods  :)

Go with exclusive legal advice which has been tried and tested in court. THAT'S WHAT ULTIMATELY STANDS.

Not some cheap govt spruiking waffle.

cods wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 11:31am: aquascoot wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 11:23am: ah but gweg, you said 4 x that they were doing it as a cost cutting exercise. Correct. I'll say it a 5th, if you like. Maintaining a WRSB is very expensive. Every time a vehicle hits the barrier, it costs many hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars to repair. The posts are designed to collapse on impact, and they must be replaced every time they're hit. Moreover, the wire rope itself stretches and also needs to be replaced, or at the very minimum retensioned, after a hit from a vehicle. These components are expensive, and the labour isn't provided for free. Conversely, when a vehicle hits a concrete barrier, there is usually no need for any maintenance at all (other than maybe pushing a block back into place). Now, if there's anything else you need to know about this subject (which you quite clearly know next to nothing about), feel free to ask me. I'm here to help. Again, I hope this poor little girl's family finds peace soon. so you can see a drag racing circuit taking on something like that then....sure you can.. how about getting them to change the rules about 8yr olds.....we wont even allow kids to box over here...and that would not have these risks involved in it... a child has to be 7 before being allowed to sit in the front passenger seat of a family car... can anyone see how bizarre this all is?..

Yes, it's bizarre.

Let's hope something positive comes from this tragedy.

Sport and Recreation Minister Mick Murray announced this afternoon that junior drag racing at the Perth Motorplex — the only venue in the state where drag racing is held — would be halted until police complete their investigation into the nature of the accident.

"The suspension of this category of motorsport activity allows for a full investigation to be carried out into the nature of the accident," the statement said.

"The State Government will wait until the details of the accident are clear following the investigation before taking any further action."

As long as the maintenance is fine. I've seen plenty of them improperly tensioned.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:

As long as the maintenance is fine. I've seen plenty of them improperly tensioned.

Yep, that's right - me too.

When properly maintained, they are the safest option.

However, it has to be done right.

Another problem with WRBs on drag strips, is the down time for maintenance.

If a drag car hits the barrier, all further racing would be halted until the repairs are carried out.

So, I can definitely see why WRBs aren't common at drag strips.

Perhaps this tragic accident will motivate someone to find a better solution.

Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:

As long as the maintenance is fine. I've seen plenty of them improperly tensioned.

Oh?

Well guess what?

You've just raised a further worry. Thanks!

IF they're maintained.

Whenever/wherever accidents occur .....poor repair and maintenance issues often appear as key factors in the resultant root cause analysis report.

And remember...we're talking govt "maintained" structures here....ie expect a cheap no frills/no name response.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution.

Oh so now you've read back and you're agreeing with me? Well not really me but the report by Maurice Blackburn -  a prestigious law firm which specializes in such cases.

Yes?

Their conclusions :

What’s the answer?

“There has to be a very careful set of criteria used to determine whether wire barriers, concrete barriers or something else is installed in a particular area.

At the moment wire barriers are the latest craze and the authorities have decided to stick them up everywhere, but a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work when it comes to road safety” Stanford says.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 12:18pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution. Oh so now you've read back and you're agreeing with me? Well not really me but the report by Maurice Blackburn -  a prestigious law firm which specializes in such cases. Yes? Their conclusions : What’s the answer? “There has to be a very careful set of criteria used to determine whether wire barriers, concrete barriers or something else is installed in a particular area. At the moment wire barriers are the latest craze and the authorities have decided to stick them up everywhere, but a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work when it comes to road safety” Stanford says.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I'm leaving it to the experts.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution.

Indeed.

Unfortunately, concrete barriers are the cheapest to maintain and, when hit, will cause minimal delays to the day's events.

So, it's obvious to see why the owners of these drag strips continue to use those dangerous (inferior) barriers.

Bottom line, though, don't send 8 year old kids out onto a drag strip.

I must admit, I never knew that kids here in Perth were allowed to do this.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:18pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution. Oh so now you've read back and you're agreeing with me? Well not really me but the report by Maurice Blackburn -  a prestigious law firm which specializes in such cases. Yes? Their conclusions : What’s the answer? “There has to be a very careful set of criteria used to determine whether wire barriers, concrete barriers or something else is installed in a particular area. At the moment wire barriers are the latest craze and the authorities have decided to stick them up everywhere, but a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work when it comes to road safety” Stanford says. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I'm leaving it to the experts.

What's stopping you from taking that scary step to either agree or disagree?

I'm quoting the freaking experts. You know....the ones who have to be of a certain calibre in order to be allowed to present research of a very high standard for it to be of expert evidentiary value in a court of law.

Did you think I was quoting Dr. Seuss??? ;D

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:18pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution. Oh so now you've read back and you're agreeing with me? Well not really me but the report by Maurice Blackburn -  a prestigious law firm which specializes in such cases. Yes? Their conclusions : What’s the answer? “There has to be a very careful set of criteria used to determine whether wire barriers, concrete barriers or something else is installed in a particular area. At the moment wire barriers are the latest craze and the authorities have decided to stick them up everywhere, but a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work when it comes to road safety” Stanford says. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I'm leaving it to the experts. What's stopping you from taking that scary step to either agree or disagree? I'm quoting the freaking experts. You know....the ones who have to be of a certain calibre in order to be allowed to present research of a very high standard for it to be of expert evidentiary value in a court of law. Did you think I was quoting Dr. Seuss??? ;D

Not knowing enough to make a definitive decision.

"Research has proven the wire rope safety barrier as the most forgiving system, with people more likely to survive than other available road barriers."


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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 12:44pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:40pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:18pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution. Oh so now you've read back and you're agreeing with me? Well not really me but the report by Maurice Blackburn -  a prestigious law firm which specializes in such cases. Yes? Their conclusions : What’s the answer? “There has to be a very careful set of criteria used to determine whether wire barriers, concrete barriers or something else is installed in a particular area. At the moment wire barriers are the latest craze and the authorities have decided to stick them up everywhere, but a one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work when it comes to road safety” Stanford says. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I'm leaving it to the experts. What's stopping you from taking that scary step to either agree or disagree? I'm quoting the freaking experts. You know....the ones who have to be of a certain calibre in order to be allowed to present research of a very high standard for it to be of expert evidentiary value in a court of law. Did you think I was quoting Dr. Seuss??? ;D Not knowing enough to make a definitive decision.

Ah. I should have guessed you'd say something like that. 

You much prefer to conduct your own research.

Why?

You know it will be done thoroughly.

And that's fair enough. I totally get where you're coming from too.

Why?

I feel the same way about washing/cleaning/cooking and gardening.

;D

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13^th, 2017 at 6:06am:

Why do people enter the danger zones of life?

More kids get killed by cars on the road then in drag racing.

Yet no restrictions on children in cars on the road.

hatman92 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 1:33pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 6:06am: Why do people enter the danger zones of life? More kids get killed by cars on the road then in drag racing.

Would you like to guess why?

hatman92 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 1:33pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 6:06am: Why do people enter the danger zones of life? More kids get killed by cars on the road then in drag racing.

And how many of them were legally behind the wheel at the time?

hatman92 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 1:33pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13th, 2017 at 6:06am: Why do people enter the danger zones of life? Yet no restrictions on children in cars on the road.

Apart from the restriction that says 8 year olds can't drive on the road, and the restriction that says they must be restrained at all times.

Yes.... this is another tragic case of a loser parent trying to relive their o n live through their children... whether it be racing or child pageants...

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

Yes.... this is another tragic case of a loser parent trying to relive their o n live through their children... whether it be racing or child pageants...

That's how I viewed the article too.

Why do parents live their lives vicariously through their children?

It's a question I ask myself whenever I get tempted to do just that.

Re child pageants/modelling/acting agencies/TV casting  etc I HAVE ALWAYS DISCOURAGED MY KIDS FROM PARTICIPATING IN THESE INDUSTRIES.

Why?

They stuff up and totally ruin people's lives. My cousin was a casualty of the acting/modelling industry a few years back. He joined the 27 club. His suicide letter was a pathetic scrawl.

Anyway....my aunty blames herself TO THIS DAY for encouraging her son to pursue something she'd always wanted to do.

And before anyone comes back to me with the fact that I did not complete my law degree but both my 2 older kids are presently doing just that.....my only comeback is that I don't know why.

All I know is I've never encouraged it. In fact I did the absolute opposite esp given who their dad was.

To this day I don't know where I went wrong with these kids. 

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution. Indeed. Unfortunately, concrete barriers are the cheapest to maintain and, when hit, will cause minimal delays to the day's events. So, it's obvious to see why the owners of these drag strips continue to use those dangerous (inferior) barriers. Bottom line, though, don't send 8 year old kids out onto a drag strip. I must admit, I never knew that kids here in Perth were allowed to do this.

It's been going on for ages Greg and this is the first kid killed. How many die swimming? I'm not sure you are qualified to judge drag racing.

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution. Indeed. Unfortunately, concrete barriers are the cheapest to maintain and, when hit, will cause minimal delays to the day's events. So, it's obvious to see why the owners of these drag strips continue to use those dangerous (inferior) barriers. Bottom line, though, don't send 8 year old kids out onto a drag strip. I must admit, I never knew that kids here in Perth were allowed to do this. It's been going on for ages Greg and this is the first kid killed. How many die swimming?

Indeed.

My very first comment on this was, "how many little girls die from pony accidents?"

Feel free to keep attacking me though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:14pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution. Indeed. Unfortunately, concrete barriers are the cheapest to maintain and, when hit, will cause minimal delays to the day's events. So, it's obvious to see why the owners of these drag strips continue to use those dangerous (inferior) barriers. Bottom line, though, don't send 8 year old kids out onto a drag strip. I must admit, I never knew that kids here in Perth were allowed to do this. It's been going on for ages Greg and this is the first kid killed. How many die swimming? Indeed. My very first comment on this was, "how many little girls die from pony accidents?" Feel free to keep attacking me though.

If defending drag racing is attacking you, you have an us or them mentality.

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:14pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution. Indeed. Unfortunately, concrete barriers are the cheapest to maintain and, when hit, will cause minimal delays to the day's events. So, it's obvious to see why the owners of these drag strips continue to use those dangerous (inferior) barriers. Bottom line, though, don't send 8 year old kids out onto a drag strip. I must admit, I never knew that kids here in Perth were allowed to do this. It's been going on for ages Greg and this is the first kid killed. How many die swimming? Indeed. My very first comment on this was, "how many little girls die from pony accidents?" Feel free to keep attacking me though. If defending drag racing is attacking you, you have an us or them mentality.

I have nothing against drag racing.

I have friends who are (well, were) involved.

Keep digging that hole, though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:21pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:14pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution. Indeed. Unfortunately, concrete barriers are the cheapest to maintain and, when hit, will cause minimal delays to the day's events. So, it's obvious to see why the owners of these drag strips continue to use those dangerous (inferior) barriers. Bottom line, though, don't send 8 year old kids out onto a drag strip. I must admit, I never knew that kids here in Perth were allowed to do this. It's been going on for ages Greg and this is the first kid killed. How many die swimming? Indeed. My very first comment on this was, "how many little girls die from pony accidents?" Feel free to keep attacking me though. If defending drag racing is attacking you, you have an us or them mentality. I have nothing against drag racing. I have friends who are (well, were) involved. Keep digging that hole, though.

Which hole would that be? It's less dangerous for kids than many other sports. Just because of one unfortunate death everyone wants to stop what kids have been doing for a long time yet no-one jumps up and down like this when they die on horses, in the water, or other sports. All sports have risks, life is no fun without them.

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:23pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:21pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:14pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution. Indeed. Unfortunately, concrete barriers are the cheapest to maintain and, when hit, will cause minimal delays to the day's events. So, it's obvious to see why the owners of these drag strips continue to use those dangerous (inferior) barriers. Bottom line, though, don't send 8 year old kids out onto a drag strip. I must admit, I never knew that kids here in Perth were allowed to do this. It's been going on for ages Greg and this is the first kid killed. How many die swimming? Indeed. My very first comment on this was, "how many little girls die from pony accidents?" Feel free to keep attacking me though. If defending drag racing is attacking you, you have an us or them mentality. I have nothing against drag racing. I have friends who are (well, were) involved. Keep digging that hole, though. Which hole would that be? It's less dangerous for kids than many other sports. Just because of one unfortunate death everyone wants to stop what kids have been doing for a long time yet no-one jumps up and down like this when they die on horses, in the water, or other sports. All sports have risks, life is no fun without them.

Id love to do some trail bike riding with the kid one day but the look on wife's face made it a battle I'd not be bothered perusing,  yet she'd happily let her ride horses.  Pfft.

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:23pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:21pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:14pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution. Indeed. Unfortunately, concrete barriers are the cheapest to maintain and, when hit, will cause minimal delays to the day's events. So, it's obvious to see why the owners of these drag strips continue to use those dangerous (inferior) barriers. Bottom line, though, don't send 8 year old kids out onto a drag strip. I must admit, I never knew that kids here in Perth were allowed to do this. It's been going on for ages Greg and this is the first kid killed. How many die swimming? Indeed. My very first comment on this was, "how many little girls die from pony accidents?" Feel free to keep attacking me though. If defending drag racing is attacking you, you have an us or them mentality. I have nothing against drag racing. I have friends who are (well, were) involved. Keep digging that hole, though. Which hole would that be? It's less dangerous for kids than many other sports. Just because of one unfortunate death everyone wants to stop what kids have been doing for a long time yet no-one jumps up and down like this when they die on horses, in the water, or other sports. All sports have risks, life is no fun without them.

most kids do not get on a horse for the first time at 8 yrs old  and start jumping barriers.... most kids do not go swimming for the first time alone without an adult..

and this child was alone in that go cart...for the first time...so help me...it isnt a sport for 8 year olds....even little boys when they play league for the first time have the coach on the field...make that two coaches....

so this was ONLY ONE LITTLE GIRL...what do you except is a reasonable number of deaths for this to be looked at set????


for me its all about adults wanting to relive the glory....or something they never had.....pushy parents in other words.

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:37pm:

Id love to do some trail bike riding with the kid one day but the look on wife's face made it a battle I'd not be bothered perusing,  yet she'd happily let her ride horses.  Pfft.

When I was a teenager there was a property down in Ravenswood south of Perth than had a bunch of Honda XR75's for hire and a big track to scoot around on with jumps and bumps and dips and boggy bits. We were a bit big for them, it was for kids, but it was still fun. Wouldn't be allowed these days.

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:37pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:23pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:21pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:14pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution. Indeed. Unfortunately, concrete barriers are the cheapest to maintain and, when hit, will cause minimal delays to the day's events. So, it's obvious to see why the owners of these drag strips continue to use those dangerous (inferior) barriers. Bottom line, though, don't send 8 year old kids out onto a drag strip. I must admit, I never knew that kids here in Perth were allowed to do this. It's been going on for ages Greg and this is the first kid killed. How many die swimming? Indeed. My very first comment on this was, "how many little girls die from pony accidents?" Feel free to keep attacking me though. If defending drag racing is attacking you, you have an us or them mentality. I have nothing against drag racing. I have friends who are (well, were) involved. Keep digging that hole, though. Which hole would that be? It's less dangerous for kids than many other sports. Just because of one unfortunate death everyone wants to stop what kids have been doing for a long time yet no-one jumps up and down like this when they die on horses, in the water, or other sports. All sports have risks, life is no fun without them. Id love to do some trail bike riding with the kid one day but the look on wife's face made it a battle I'd not be bothered perusing,  yet she'd happily let her ride horses.  Pfft.

does she jump or gallop the horses alone gordon?.


what about the bike ?

would you allow her to ride a trailbike alone.
like that dad did... :(

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:37pm: Id love to do some trail bike riding with the kid one day but the look on wife's face made it a battle I'd not be bothered perusing,  yet she'd happily let her ride horses.  Pfft. When I was a teenager there was a property down in Ravenswood south of Perth than had a bunch of Honda XR75's for hire and a big track to scoot around on with jumps and bumps and dips and boggy bits. We were a bit big for them, it was for kids, but it was still fun. Wouldn't be allowed these days.

they have skateboard parks now...

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

most kids do not get on a horse for the first time at 8 yrs old  and start jumping barriers.... most kids do not go swimming for the first time alone without an adult.. and this child was alone in that go cart...for the first time...so help me...it isnt a sport for 8 year olds....even little boys when they play league for the first time have the coach on the field...make that two coaches.... so this was ONLY ONE LITTLE GIRL...what do you except is a reasonable number of deaths for this to be looked at set???? for me its all about adults wanting to relive the glory....or something they never had.....pushy parents in other words.

Why is it about adults wanting to relive glory rather than getting kids into an exciting sport? There is no upper age limit that I'm aware of so the adults were probably still participating, no reliving entered into.

How many deaths? Well more than one before you stop what many enjoy. These things are not what adults drive.

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:47pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:37pm: Id love to do some trail bike riding with the kid one day but the look on wife's face made it a battle I'd not be bothered perusing,  yet she'd happily let her ride horses.  Pfft. When I was a teenager there was a property down in Ravenswood south of Perth than had a bunch of Honda XR75's for hire and a big track to scoot around on with jumps and bumps and dips and boggy bits. We were a bit big for them, it was for kids, but it was still fun. Wouldn't be allowed these days. they have skateboard parks now...

I was never into skateboarding. Motorbikes, paddock bashers, riding a car bonnet towed behind paddock bashers.

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:37pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:23pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:21pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:14pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2017 at 12:14pm: Multifactorial problem requiring multifactorial solution. Indeed. Unfortunately, concrete barriers are the cheapest to maintain and, when hit, will cause minimal delays to the day's events. So, it's obvious to see why the owners of these drag strips continue to use those dangerous (inferior) barriers. Bottom line, though, don't send 8 year old kids out onto a drag strip. I must admit, I never knew that kids here in Perth were allowed to do this. It's been going on for ages Greg and this is the first kid killed. How many die swimming? Indeed. My very first comment on this was, "how many little girls die from pony accidents?" Feel free to keep attacking me though. If defending drag racing is attacking you, you have an us or them mentality. I have nothing against drag racing. I have friends who are (well, were) involved. Keep digging that hole, though. Which hole would that be? It's less dangerous for kids than many other sports. Just because of one unfortunate death everyone wants to stop what kids have been doing for a long time yet no-one jumps up and down like this when they die on horses, in the water, or other sports. All sports have risks, life is no fun without them. Id love to do some trail bike riding with the kid one day but the look on wife's face made it a battle I'd not be bothered perusing,  yet she'd happily let her ride horses.  Pfft. does she jump or gallop the horses alone gordon?. what about the bike ? would you allow her to ride a trailbike alone. like that dad did... :(

She's only done pony rides but in my wife's brain she instantly thinks horse safe motorbike dangerous because she's fairly unfamiliar with both.

Of course if I taught her about motorbikes it would be a gradual learning curve.

I imagine it was the same for the poor girl.

I'd not pick drag racing as a motorsport for kids.
That car had a 250cc engine and could probably do 100km+

Go carts much more suitable

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

would you allow her to ride a trailbike alone. like that dad did... :(

He can't sit on it with her.

I'm actually pretty happy her action sport is surfing, very very safe and great for fitness.

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

That car had a 250cc engine and could probably do 100km+ Go carts much more suitable

They are not allowed to go that fast. I think 96kmh is the limit, they are in a cage, strapped in. A gokart is open and the track is not straight.

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:55pm: That car had a 250cc engine and could probably do 100km+ Go carts much more suitable They are not allowed to go that fast. I think 96kmh is the limit, they are in a cage, strapped in. A gokart is open and the track is not straight.

I also have a lack of interest and respect for drag racing.  Learn to go around a corner  ffs.

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 9:58pm:

I'm actually pretty happy her action sport is surfing, very very safe and great for fitness.

http://www.surfing-waves.com/surfing-dangers.htm ;D

No sport is without risk and you can't be on the board with her.

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 10:02pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 10:00pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:55pm: That car had a 250cc engine and could probably do 100km+ Go carts much more suitable They are not allowed to go that fast. I think 96kmh is the limit, they are in a cage, strapped in. A gokart is open and the track is not straight. I also have a lack of interest and respect for drag racing.  Learn to go around a corner  ffs.

Why? It's how fast you can go in the shortest time in 1/4 mile. Nothing like the sound of a nitro drinking ground shaking top fueler. The engineering involved is incredible.

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 10:04pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:58pm: I'm actually pretty happy her action sport is surfing, very very safe and great for fitness. http://www.surfing-waves.com/surfing-dangers.htm ;D No sport is without risk and you can't be on the board with her.

A dad I know who also has a 16 yo girl who surfs warned me, the biggest risk is the guys who surf. Sharks? Meh.

Setanta wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 10:06pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 10:02pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 10:00pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:55pm: That car had a 250cc engine and could probably do 100km+ Go carts much more suitable They are not allowed to go that fast. I think 96kmh is the limit, they are in a cage, strapped in. A gokart is open and the track is not straight. I also have a lack of interest and respect for drag racing.  Learn to go around a corner  ffs. Why? It's how fast you can go in the shortest time in 1/4 mile. Nothing like the sound of a nitro drinking ground shaking top fueler. The engineering involved is incredible.

I prefer to scrape a knee in a corner on a bike. :)

Gordon wrote on Nov 16^th, 2017 at 10:08pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 10:06pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 10:02pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 10:00pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 9:55pm: That car had a 250cc engine and could probably do 100km+ Go carts much more suitable They are not allowed to go that fast. I think 96kmh is the limit, they are in a cage, strapped in. A gokart is open and the track is not straight. I also have a lack of interest and respect for drag racing.  Learn to go around a corner  ffs. Why? It's how fast you can go in the shortest time in 1/4 mile. Nothing like the sound of a nitro drinking ground shaking top fueler. The engineering involved is incredible. I prefer to scrape a knee in a corner on a bike. :)

I'ld rather not scrape my knee.