Myanmar's Rohingya lie has been exposed by UN report

Bangkok: United Nations investigators have exposed Myanmar's lie that the offensive by security forces launched against Rohingya Muslims was in response to insurgent attacks in Rakhine state on August 25.

Rohingya survivors have told the UN the security forces began attacking Rohingya townships and villages weeks earlier, in early August.

The UN Human Rights Office report indicates that the campaign of ethnic cleansing in Myanmar's poorest state was pre-meditated.

The report detailing the investigator's findings makes for harrowing reading, revealing unimaginable cruelty.

One pregnant woman was raped and mutilated, and, her unborn baby killed with a knife.

The key finding is that the security forces and Buddhist vigilante collaborators are not only driving out Rohingya from northern Rakhine but are taking actions to prevent them from returning to their homes.

The report exposes as false the claim by Myanmar's de factor leader Aung San Suu Kyi that the military's offensive stopped on September 5. It cites evidence of explosions, shootings and burnings after that date.

"There are indications that violence is still ongoing at the time of writing," it said.

The report also makes clear the extent of the atrocities are unknown.

Suu Kyi's government is refusing to allow UN investigators to enter Rakhine. In one village "the most beautiful" unmarried girls were rounded up, separated from their families and taken away, witnesses said.

The girls have not been since since.

The report describes attacks by Myanmar forces, which have forced an exodus of more than half a million Rohingya, as well-organised, coordinated and systematic.

Its release in Geneva will ensure more international outrage will be levelled at Aung San Suu Kyi – once described as "one of the great heroes of our time" – because her country's military is getting away with mass murder.

Australia's foreign minister, Julie Bishop, should read the report and note comments by UN human rights chief Zeid Raad al-Hussein calling on Suu Kyi's government to end its "cruel" security operation.

Ms Bishop has refused to condemn Ms Suu Kyi's government and Australia has refused with cut military ties with Myanmar's army, which includes training in peace keeping.

The report lays out a practical option for Australia to show leadership in helping the rapidly deteriorating emergency in Rohingya camps at the Bangladesh border, now the world's largest concentration of refugees.

"There are serious protection concerns regarding the immediate needs of the most vulnerable and it is important [for the international community] to establish a permanent presence at boat landing sites as part of the immediate response," the report said.

The Turnbull government could immediately despatch logistical forces there.


http://www.smh.com.au/world/myanmars-rohingya-lie-has-been-exposed-by-un-report-20171012-gyzio4

Genocide by Buddhists.....Effendi?

Are they wiping out a mindless collective of Muslims?  Is Buddhism the religion of non-violence?

So many questions.

"One pregnant woman was raped and mutilated, and, her unborn baby killed with a knife."


"In one village "the most beautiful" unmarried girls were rounded up, separated from their families and taken away, witnesses said.

The girls have not been since since.'

mothra wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

"One pregnant woman was raped and mutilated, and, her unborn baby killed with a knife." "In one village "the most beautiful" unmarried girls were rounded up, separated from their families and taken away, witnesses said. The girls have not been since since.'

how long have Boco haram been operating in burma ?

Something should be done.

Can we send arms and supplies to help the gallant Myanmar Security Forces ?

So who was responsible for the mass-grave of Hindus recently discovered near the border with Bangladesh?

I blame Buddhism.

Sorry - I blame Islam.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 10:42am:

I blame Buddhism. Sorry - I blame Islam.

FD's Suck-Boy at it again.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 11:51am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:42am: I blame Buddhism. Sorry - I blame Islam. FD's Suck-Boy at it again.

Excuse me, can you tell me how blaming Islam is white-anting Mother's leftist UN propaganda?

The outrage over these human rights violations is palpable, people.

Good to see your concern for these persecuted people on the brink of genocide.

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 1:42pm:

The outrage over these human rights violations is palpable, people. Good to see your concern for these persecuted people on the brink of genocide.

These people are Muslims, Mother.

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 1:42pm:

The outrage over these human rights violations is palpable, people. Good to see your concern for these persecuted people on the brink of genocide.

are we supposed to be outraged or concerned?

i'm concerned about anyone who is outraged.
because getting outraged is not fruitful
how does the outrage of people such as yourself effect change?

aquascoot wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 1:46pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 1:42pm: The outrage over these human rights violations is palpable, people. Good to see your concern for these persecuted people on the brink of genocide. are we supposed to be outraged or concerned? i'm concerned about anyone who is outraged. because getting outraged is not fruitful how does the outrage of people such as yourself effect change?

Your concerned over outrage? Really? You must be quite fretful about the state of this forum then.

Funny though, you never seem to express concern over outrage ... only condemnation of concern.

You're very confused, aren't you.

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 1:42pm:

The outrage over these human rights violations is palpable, people. Good to see your concern for these persecuted people on the brink of genocide.

Why are they not viewed kindly by the locals in Bangladesh?

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 5:04pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 1:42pm: The outrage over these human rights violations is palpable, people. Good to see your concern for these persecuted people on the brink of genocide. Why are they not viewed kindly by the locals in Bangladesh?

You understand people looking down on refugees, don't you Herbie.

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 7:10pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 5:04pm: Why are they not viewed kindly by the locals in Bangladesh? You understand people looking down on refugees, don't you Herbie.

Don't be an ass.

Why is the general feeling one of disenchantment and hostility towards these fellow-Muslims?

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 7:30pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 7:10pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 5:04pm: Why are they not viewed kindly by the locals in Bangladesh? You understand people looking down on refugees, don't you Herbie. Don't be an ass. Why is the general feeling one of disenchantment and hostility towards these fellow-Muslims?

General ill-feeling? True? I don;t have any. Do you?

Their oppressors don't like them ... the people they are landing in great numbers and in dire need amidst are unhappy ... what is this general feeling you speak of?

Rohingya crisis: Mother says Burmese soldiers 'threw my baby into a fire'
Muslim minority refugees fleeing to Bangladesh to escape persecution recount horror stories of atrocities carried out by state troops

Hundreds of women stood in the river, held at gunpoint, ordered not to move.

A pack of soldiers stepped toward a petite young woman with light brown eyes and delicate cheekbones. Her name was Rajuma, and she was standing chest-high in the water, clutching her baby son, while her village in Burma burned down behind her.

“You,” the soldiers said, pointing at her.

She froze.

“You!”

She squeezed her baby tighter.

In the next violent blur of moments, the soldiers clubbed Rajuma in the face, tore her screaming child out of her arms and hurled him into a fire. She was then dragged into a house and gang-raped.

By the time the day was over, she was running through a field naked and covered in blood. Alone, she had lost her son, her mother, her two sisters and her younger brother, all wiped out in front of her eyes, she says.

Rajuma is a Rohingya Muslim, one of the most persecuted ethnic groups on earth, and she now spends her days drifting through a refugee camp in Bangladesh in a daze.

She relayed her story to me during a recent reporting trip I made to the camps, where hundreds of thousands of Rohingya like her have rushed for safety. Her deeply disturbing account of what happened in her village, in late August, was corroborated by dozens of other survivors, whom I spoke with at length, and by human rights groups gathering evidence of atrocities.

Survivors said they saw government soldiers stabbing babies, cutting off boys’ heads, gang-raping girls, shooting 40-millimetre grenades into houses, burning entire families to death, and rounding up dozens of unarmed male villagers and summarily executing them.

Much of the violence was flamboyantly brutal, intimate and personal — the kind that is detonated by a long, bitter history of ethnic hatred.

“People were holding the soldiers’ feet, begging for their lives,” Rajuma said. “But they didn’t stop, they just kicked them off and killed them, they chopped people, they shot people, they raped us, they left us senseless.”

Human rights investigators said that Burma's military killed more than 1,000 civilians in the state of Rakhine, and possibly as many as 5,000, though it will be hard to ever know because Burma is not allowing the United Nations or anyone else into the affected areas.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/rohingya-crisis-latest-baby-thrown-fire-burma-refugees-horror-stories-military-atrocities-aung-san-a7995836.html

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 10:09pm:

Rohingya crisis: Mother says Burmese soldiers 'threw my baby into a fire' Muslim minority refugees fleeing to Bangladesh to escape persecution recount horror stories of atrocities carried out by state troops Hundreds of women stood in the river, held at gunpoint, ordered not to move. A pack of soldiers stepped toward a petite young woman with light brown eyes and delicate cheekbones. Her name was Rajuma, and she was standing chest-high in the water, clutching her baby son, while her village in Burma burned down behind her. “You,” the soldiers said, pointing at her. She froze. “You!” She squeezed her baby tighter. In the next violent blur of moments, the soldiers clubbed Rajuma in the face, tore her screaming child out of her arms and hurled him into a fire. She was then dragged into a house and gang-raped. By the time the day was over, she was running through a field naked and covered in blood. Alone, she had lost her son, her mother, her two sisters and her younger brother, all wiped out in front of her eyes, she says. Rajuma is a Rohingya Muslim, one of the most persecuted ethnic groups on earth, and she now spends her days drifting through a refugee camp in Bangladesh in a daze. She relayed her story to me during a recent reporting trip I made to the camps, where hundreds of thousands of Rohingya like her have rushed for safety. Her deeply disturbing account of what happened in her village, in late August, was corroborated by dozens of other survivors, whom I spoke with at length, and by human rights groups gathering evidence of atrocities. Survivors said they saw government soldiers stabbing babies, cutting off boys’ heads, gang-raping girls, shooting 40-millimetre grenades into houses, burning entire families to death, and rounding up dozens of unarmed male villagers and summarily executing them. Much of the violence was flamboyantly brutal, intimate and personal — the kind that is detonated by a long, bitter history of ethnic hatred. “People were holding the soldiers’ feet, begging for their lives,” Rajuma said. “But they didn’t stop, they just kicked them off and killed them, they chopped people, they shot people, they raped us, they left us senseless.” Human rights investigators said that Burma's military killed more than 1,000 civilians in the state of Rakhine, and possibly as many as 5,000, though it will be hard to ever know because Burma is not allowing the United Nations or anyone else into the affected areas. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/rohingya-crisis-latest-baby-thrown-fire-burma-refugees-horror-stories-military-atrocities-aung-san-a7995836.html

Sounds like Buddhists reacting to Islamists to me. Tit for tat.

United Nations investigators have exposed Myanmar's lie that the offensive by security forces launched against Rohingya Muslims was in response to insurgent attacks in Rakhine state on August 25.

Rohingya survivors have told the UN the security forces began attacking Rohingya townships and villages weeks earlier, in early August.

The UN Human Rights Office report indicates that the campaign of ethnic cleansing in Myanmar's poorest state was pre-meditated.

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 10:27pm:

United Nations investigators have exposed Myanmar's lie that the offensive by security forces launched against Rohingya Muslims was in response to insurgent attacks in Rakhine state on August 25. Rohingya survivors have told the UN the security forces began attacking Rohingya townships and villages weeks earlier, in early August. The UN Human Rights Office report indicates that the campaign of ethnic cleansing in Myanmar's poorest state was pre-meditated.

What would be your reaction if you found rats in your house?

Rats:


http://www.dailystar.com.lb/dailystar/Pictures/2014/08/08/337175_img650x420_img650x420_crop.jpg

Poor, poor people!

Every crisis has a human face.

If Islam stopped murdering civilians, this type of reciprocity might not occur. Human casualties are everywhere.

I was told to drink my milk at school in the 60's, even though it was hot, because children were starving in Africa.

Did my distaste and sacrifice make one iota of difference?

United Nations investigators have exposed Myanmar's lie that the offensive by security forces launched against Rohingya Muslims was in response to insurgent attacks in Rakhine state on August 25.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 10:43pm:

I was told to drink my milk at school in the 60's, even though it was hot, because children were starving in Africa. Did my distaste and sacrifice make one iota of difference?

Yes, you have strong bones and teeth because you drank hot milk ...

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 10:37pm:

Rats: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/dailystar/Pictures/2014/08/08/337175_img650x420_img650x420_crop.jpg

Worse. Tinted.

Look, Herb.

Gang-bang time!  :D

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 10:48pm:

Look, Herb. Gang-bang time!  :D

Herbie is only dealing with oral tonight.

And just between you and me, i think he's worn himself out.

AiA wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 10:44pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:43pm: I was told to drink my milk at school in the 60's, even though it was hot, because children were starving in Africa. Did my distaste and sacrifice make one iota of difference? Yes, you have strong bones and teeth because you drank hot milk ...

If you really knew me, you'd know just how much you boo-booed.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 10:51pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:44pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:43pm: I was told to drink my milk at school in the 60's, even though it was hot, because children were starving in Africa. Did my distaste and sacrifice make one iota of difference? Yes, you have strong bones and teeth because you drank hot milk ... If you really knew me, you'd know just how much you boo-booed.

Are you saying you are suffering from the effects of a chronic calcium deficiency?

AiA wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 10:59pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:51pm: AiA wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:44pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:43pm: Actually, I'm admitting that I survived a childhood I was told to drink my milk at school in the 60's, even though it was hot, because children were starving in Africa. Did my distaste and sacrifice make one iota of difference? Yes, you have strong bones and teeth because you drank hot milk ... If you really knew me, you'd know just how much you boo-booed. Are you saying you are suffering from the effects of a chronic calcium deficiency?

Actually, I'm stating that I survived a childhood from the middle 20th century where snowflakes were a rare occurrence. We never had access to 'safe spaces', we were never protected from 'hate speech', we didn't have internet and we could read before we went to school.

When I was a child, Dad went work and Mum did the shopping. We could all live on one wage. As we all know, the world has 'moved on'.

Your sarcasm holds little relevance to my experiences of that time. Times change.

Perhaps you should read up on John Sobieski, one wonders whether he had any of the same advantages. That time may have had more significance than our own.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 11:20pm:

AiA wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:59pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:51pm: AiA wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:44pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:43pm: Actually, I'm admitting that I survived a childhood I was told to drink my milk at school in the 60's, even though it was hot, because children were starving in Africa. Did my distaste and sacrifice make one iota of difference? Yes, you have strong bones and teeth because you drank hot milk ... If you really knew me, you'd know just how much you boo-booed. Are you saying you are suffering from the effects of a chronic calcium deficiency? Actually, I'm stating that I survived a childhood from the middle 20th century where snowflakes were a rare occurrence. We never had access to 'safe spaces', we were never protected from 'hate speech', we didn't have internet and we could read before we went to school. When I was a child, Dad went work and Mum did the shopping. We could all live on one wage. As we all know, the world has 'moved on'. Your sarcasm holds little relevance to my experiences of that time. Times change. Perhaps you should read up on John Sobieski, one wonders whether he had any of the same advantages. That time may have had more significance than our own.

And you worked in the coal mines at eight years old ...

AiA wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 11:22pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 11:20pm: AiA wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:59pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:51pm: AiA wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:44pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:43pm: Actually, I'm admitting that I survived a childhood I was told to drink my milk at school in the 60's, even though it was hot, because children were starving in Africa. Did my distaste and sacrifice make one iota of difference? Yes, you have strong bones and teeth because you drank hot milk ... If you really knew me, you'd know just how much you boo-booed. Are you saying you are suffering from the effects of a chronic calcium deficiency? Actually, I'm stating that I survived a childhood from the middle 20th century where snowflakes were a rare occurrence. We never had access to 'safe spaces', we were never protected from 'hate speech', we didn't have internet and we could read before we went to school. When I was a child, Dad went work and Mum did the shopping. We could all live on one wage. As we all know, the world has 'moved on'. Your sarcasm holds little relevance to my experiences of that time. Times change. Perhaps you should read up on John Sobieski, one wonders whether he had any of the same advantages. That time may have had more significance than our own. And you worked in the coal mines at eight years old ...

No, not quite.

But I could do double entry book-keeping in pounds, shillings and pence. Does that count?

Now that I'm old, I've had to learn the skill of puncturing an eyeball with a HB pencil. All my guns are now locked away.

8-)

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 11:36pm:

But I could do double entry book-keeping in pounds, shillings and pence.

Pre-decimal currency? That is amazing, actually. Why did the pound become 100 pennies anyway?

AiA wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 11:47pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 11:36pm: But I could do double entry book-keeping in pounds, shillings and pence. Pre-decimal currency? That is amazing, actually. Why did the pound become 100 pennies anyway?

Um. Do a few sums for me, if you wouldn't mind. 12 pence to the shilling, 20 shillings to the pound - a farthing is a quarter pence. Threepence is what it is, a coin, worth three copper coins. Sixpence is half a shilling, and if something is not worth two-bob, it's not worth owning. A sovereign and a guinea are different values, still sterling.

One pound became two dollars.

This day and age, I'd rather have 5 quid than 10 dollars.

Make sense?

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

Sounds like Buddhists reacting to Islamists to me. Tit for tat.

A news source has already let it slip that a mass-grave of Buddhists had been found near the border with Bangladesh. That's not the 'narrative' the Lefties want the Western public to hear.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 7:23am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:23pm: Sounds like Buddhists reacting to Islamists to me. Tit for tat. A news source has already let it slip that a mass-grave of Buddhists had been found near the border with Bangladesh. That's not the 'narrative' the Lefties want the Western public to hear.

Only they were Hindus, a group of Hindu women said the Burmese military did it, and the "news source" that said it was Rohinga was the Burmese military.

Still, an easy mistake to make.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 12:23am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 7:23am: Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:23pm: Sounds like Buddhists reacting to Islamists to me. Tit for tat. A news source has already let it slip that a mass-grave of Buddhists had been found near the border with Bangladesh. That's not the 'narrative' the Lefties want the Western public to hear. Only they were Hindus, a group of Hindu women said the Burmese military did it, and the "news source" that said it was Rohinga was the Burmese military. Still, an easy mistake to make.

I think it's perfectly acceptable to feel compassion (or at least pretend to) for Muslims when it's other Muslims doing the persecuting.

When it's someone else doing it, we just blame whatever Muslims we can.

Did you see those rats i posted earlier? Hideous insurgents.

It's perfectly understandable that they're being corralled into traps set to kill them as they flee the killing in the bits they came from.

I believe they have made the Buddhists just that cross (imagine making a Buddhist cross! They're always meditating, aren't they?) that they are compelled to kill you so very hard.

Naughty rats.

Now now, Mothra, please don't white-ant Herbie's thread.

FD will be onto you.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 12:43am:

Now now, Mothra, please don't white-ant Herbie's thread. FD will be onto you.

I was only trying to be helpful, Karnal. I think some of our fellow debators have difficulty reconciling the fact that they object to gays being thrown off buildings for doing it mardi gras style even though those gays are Muslim.

Gay rights and Muslim advocacy. Tricky.

And then there's suddenly caring about women's rights too. Like, alot.  Even though these women are Muslims and some of them are even audacious enough to call themselves feminists.

Women's rights and Muslim advocacy.

Poor lambs are deeply conflicted.

But you were right all along.

Just blame Islam.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 10:43pm:

I was told to drink my milk at school in the 60's, even though it was hot, because children were starving in Africa.

;D

Me too, but in the 50's.

Every time I went to the school canteen to buy an apple pie or a sugar-coated donut I knew I was proactively saving children's lives in Africa, and so I was something of a fixture in the canteen.

60 years later I'm still saving lives in Africa. I'm cooking a lovely thick rump steak for lunch today, and I'm expecting the Nobel Prize Committee to contact me any day now to get ready to travel to Stockholm.   

mothra wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 1:00am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 12:43am: Now now, Mothra, please don't white-ant Herbie's thread. FD will be onto you. I was only trying to be helpful, Karnal. I think some of our fellow debators have difficulty reconciling the fact that they object to gays being thrown off buildings for doing it mardi gras style even though those gays are Muslim. Gay rights and Muslim advocacy. Tricky. And then there's suddenly caring about women's rights too. Like, alot.  Even though these women are Muslims and some of them are even audacious enough to call themselves feminists. Women's rights and Muslim advocacy. Poor lambs are deeply conflicted. But you were right all along. Just blame Islam.

no, its actually the greenies, the do gooders and the socialists who are deeply conflicted.

they have this "vision" of this planet that "it needs to be a certain way" and that if this planet isnt "that way", then they are going to get all butt hurt and fearful and sad and "outraged".

why cant we all just 'get along".

does the lion get along with the antelope
does the shark get along with the seal
does the eagle get along with the rabbit.

the superior man loves this planet for all its magnificent good and for all its harshness and brutality.

he feels his way into  a situation and he contributes his energy with passion and he fully accepts that most things are outside of his control.

this requires guts, will power, training , a life decision not to give in to "weak thinking'
when you see the world for its harshness and you accept it fully, you have to put your foot down on the throat of weakness, you have to push back hard against softness and laziness and handwringing procrastination and being emotionally uncalibrated.

its "soft" to think the world is a world of rainbows and unicorns
its 'soft and weak" to think that we need socialism so we can all "get" and "take" without the evolutionary blowtorch being applied.

when i see socialists, when i see greenies, when i see do gooders and bed wetters, i see weakness and softness and a refusal to embrace the world for the beauty that it holds thanks to its polarity.

this polarity is what makes it beautiful

this beige, weak sauce, unrealistic false reality that the weak and the timid and the startled and the frustrated choose to live in...the world of the leftard is a purgatory, a purgatory of the mind.

everything is perfect exactly as it is.
everything is an opportunity to go up or go down
if you arent taking action on something, if you are living stuck in your head, i can pretty much gaurantee you are going down.
if you wnat to live a life of challenge and use leftardism to go up then you will need to take massive action (not on a keyboard) and go to bangladesh and becomes Mothra Teresa..this would be a path up the narrow road to success.
currently you are on the slippery slope to failure.

you think we all need to get along and you cant even get along with 90 % of the posters on an obscure internet forum

mothra wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 1:00am:

I was only trying to be helpful, Karnal. I think some of our fellow debators have difficulty reconciling the fact that they object to gays being thrown off buildings for doing it mardi gras style even though those gays are Muslim.

I think most debators have trouble reconciling why the left have such a massive hard on for Islam when it is so inimical to the principles they so loudly profess.

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 8:27am:

mothra wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 1:00am: I was only trying to be helpful, Karnal. I think some of our fellow debators have difficulty reconciling the fact that they object to gays being thrown off buildings for doing it mardi gras style even though those gays are Muslim. I think most debators have trouble reconciling why the left have such a massive hard on for Islam when it is so inimical to the principles they so loudly profess.

Well said.

Here's Milo Yiannopoulos explaining this phenomenon to Mark Latham.

link

He could be talking about our woeful collection of Leftwing wankers and pillow-biters who we have on this board and who distinguish themselves by invading threads in order to close down debate by destroying them with persistent ad hominem of which Karnal is a major offender.

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 8:27am:

mothra wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 1:00am: I was only trying to be helpful, Karnal. I think some of our fellow debators have difficulty reconciling the fact that they object to gays being thrown off buildings for doing it mardi gras style even though those gays are Muslim. I think most debators have trouble reconciling why the left have such a massive hard on for Islam when it is so inimical to the principles they so loudly profess.

That apparent anomaly is because the Left is no longer the Left that brought about International Socialism and relatively powerful non-state Communist Parties, as in Italy. Those generations, the ones that campaigned for better working conditions and pay, have almost all passed on. Benefiting from those efforts, their children and grandchildren have lived in times when the church in the West has lost its power over society, and authority and respectability are both brought into question without so much philosophy as conformity. The church deserved the former, not the latter.

That “hard on for Islam” you describe, is part of a perceived solidarity with minorities; a humanism at all costs. It is in stark contrast to reality that religions, especially the Abrahamic Big Three, have been used, and are still used, as methods of control by spreading ignorance in the name of piety.

It is quite ironic that in the West we have the grandchildren of International Socialism, buying into, or just supporting, the most spurious non-European philosophies, and championing minorities beyond the concerns of tolerance, as if Democracy should not be the voice of the majority. By spreading the benefits of Western enlightened tolerance without caveat, the Assassins of the Middle East have been given credibility among Western tunnel-visioned half-baked intelligentsia, much to the detriment of society.

issuevoter wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 9:56am:

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 8:27am: mothra wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 1:00am: I was only trying to be helpful, Karnal. I think some of our fellow debators have difficulty reconciling the fact that they object to gays being thrown off buildings for doing it mardi gras style even though those gays are Muslim. I think most debators have trouble reconciling why the left have such a massive hard on for Islam when it is so inimical to the principles they so loudly profess. That apparent anomaly is because the Left is no longer the Left that brought about International Socialism and relatively powerful non-state Communist Parties, as in Italy. Those generations, the ones that campaigned for better working conditions and pay, have almost all passed on. Benefiting from those efforts, their children and grandchildren have lived in times when the church in the West has lost its power over society, and authority and respectability are both brought into question without so much philosophy as conformity. The church deserved the former, not the latter. That “hard on for Islam” you describe, is part of a perceived solidarity with minorities; a humanism at all costs. It is in stark contrast to reality that religions, especially the Abrahamic Big Three, have been used, and are still used, as methods of control by spreading ignorance in the name of piety. It is quite ironic that in the West we have the grandchildren of International Socialism, buying into, or just supporting, the most spurious non-European philosophies, and championing minorities beyond the concerns of tolerance, as if Democracy should not be the voice of the majority. By spreading the benefits of Western enlightened tolerance without caveat, the Assassins of the Middle East have been given credibility among Western tunnel-visioned half-baked intelligentsia, much to the detriment of society.

Nobody supports repressive regimes.

Ot terrorism, for that matter.

Seems that Islamophobes support the brutal genocide of Muslims though ... providing it's not being done by Muslims.

mothra wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 11:30am:

issuevoter wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 9:56am: Secret Wars wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 8:27am: mothra wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 1:00am: I was only trying to be helpful, Karnal. I think some of our fellow debators have difficulty reconciling the fact that they object to gays being thrown off buildings for doing it mardi gras style even though those gays are Muslim. I think most debators have trouble reconciling why the left have such a massive hard on for Islam when it is so inimical to the principles they so loudly profess. That apparent anomaly is because the Left is no longer the Left that brought about International Socialism and relatively powerful non-state Communist Parties, as in Italy. Those generations, the ones that campaigned for better working conditions and pay, have almost all passed on. Benefiting from those efforts, their children and grandchildren have lived in times when the church in the West has lost its power over society, and authority and respectability are both brought into question without so much philosophy as conformity. The church deserved the former, not the latter. That “hard on for Islam” you describe, is part of a perceived solidarity with minorities; a humanism at all costs. It is in stark contrast to reality that religions, especially the Abrahamic Big Three, have been used, and are still used, as methods of control by spreading ignorance in the name of piety. It is quite ironic that in the West we have the grandchildren of International Socialism, buying into, or just supporting, the most spurious non-European philosophies, and championing minorities beyond the concerns of tolerance, as if Democracy should not be the voice of the majority. By spreading the benefits of Western enlightened tolerance without caveat, the Assassins of the Middle East have been given credibility among Western tunnel-visioned half-baked intelligentsia, much to the detriment of society. Nobody supports repressive regimes. Ot terrorism, for that matter. Seems that Islamophobes support the brutal genocide of Muslims though ... providing it's not being done by Muslims.

Nobody? How about Western humanists who turn a blind eye to the instructions in the Koran, the origin of most of the world's so-called terrorism? And whose journalists and editors hide their cowardice behind euphemisms like: militant, extremist, insurgent etc. They may not be feeding them ammunition, but they are accommodating them, while claiming to be broadminded at the same time.

And what philosophy have they come up with? Nothing more than this: "All Muzlims are not terrorists." How reassuring. That means that this huge majority of peaceful Muzlims will soon put an ended to the 20 year campaign of violence instead of remaining silent or running away and hiding in the land of the infidel.

Yeah, you're wrong on pretty much everything you said ... but by all means, continue dehumanising Muslims in a thread about Muslim insurgency being fabricated as part of organised and brutal genocide.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 10:48pm:

Look, Herb. Gang-bang time!  :D

Gassing is the Final Solution to the Rats in our Silo, Lionel!

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 1:11pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 10:48pm: Look, Herb. Gang-bang time!  :D Gassing is the Final Solution to the Rats in our Silo, Lionel!

Oh, I know. The luvvies would have you hearing and including them, just as we welcome and include you here, Herb.

Typical. Let's just gas them to death instead. Much easier.

Hang 'em all - let Allah sort 'em out....

mothra wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 1:09pm:

Yeah, you're wrong on pretty much everything you said ... but by all means, continue dehumanising Muslims in a thread about Muslim insurgency being fabricated as part of organised and brutal genocide.

Don't seem to be much fabricating going on down here in Green Bow...... and all Muslims who pass the gate test can come in as long as they behave and accept our ways as equal to theirs.  Otherwise they can simply not come here......

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 11:13pm:

Don't seem to be much fabricating going on down here in Green Bow...... and all Muslims who pass the gate test can come in as long as they behave and accept our ways as equal to theirs.  Otherwise they can simply not come here......

Wrong.

Their progeny can have ideas of their own, just as we have seen hundreds of Western-born young Muslims go off to fight for the ISIS Caliphate ~ with their parents in Manchester, Paris, Detroit, Brussels, etc expressing surprise and alarm.

Muslims mutate from generation to generation like a virus.

We have 20 or more Islamic terrorists in our Australian jails - but not one parent, and that's because of a deadly mutation that arrived in their children due to Islam being a sexually transmitted disease (STD).

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 6:54am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 11:13pm: Don't seem to be much fabricating going on down here in Green Bow...... and all Muslims who pass the gate test can come in as long as they behave and accept our ways as equal to theirs.  Otherwise they can simply not come here...... Wrong. Their progeny can have ideas of their own, just as we have seen hundreds of Western-born young Muslims go off to fight for the ISIS Caliphate ~ with their parents in Manchester, Paris, Detroit, Brussels, etc expressing surprise and alarm. Muslims mutate from generation to generation like a virus. We have 20 or more Islamic terrorists in our Australian jails - but not one parent, and that's because of a deadly mutation that arrived in their children due to Islam being a sexually transmitted disease (STD).

herb,

a young man MUST have a mission in life, a "lifes purpose".

as the bible says (and im not a christian), the idle mind is the devils playground.

if the parents arrive and they are engaged in carving out a living, then they are ENGAGED in that.

but if their kids or all the refugees in europe or anywhere else are just given welfare and are basicly "bored" then society is screwed.

because a young man who is bored will become depressed very rapidly.  and
"hate" and "destruction" are always more engaging then boredom.

its almost like people use hate and destruction to wake themselves up out of boredom .

we can see this on this board.

several poster who do not have a purpose in life, are just bored and depressed and hating on others "pumps their emotional state".

so young muslim men must be engaged or they will most certainly be attracted to the dark side.

i would have them doing hard labour in australia building roads or in germany building autobahns or in bangladessh building levee banks.

they need to be worked.

if you just give them welfare and bung them in a welfare durrp state, you are acting with great stupidity

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 7:40am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 6:54am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 11:13pm: Don't seem to be much fabricating going on down here in Green Bow...... and all Muslims who pass the gate test can come in as long as they behave and accept our ways as equal to theirs.  Otherwise they can simply not come here...... Wrong. Their progeny can have ideas of their own, just as we have seen hundreds of Western-born young Muslims go off to fight for the ISIS Caliphate ~ with their parents in Manchester, Paris, Detroit, Brussels, etc expressing surprise and alarm. Muslims mutate from generation to generation like a virus. We have 20 or more Islamic terrorists in our Australian jails - but not one parent, and that's because of a deadly mutation that arrived in their children due to Islam being a sexually transmitted disease (STD). herb, a young man MUST have a mission in life, a "lifes purpose". as the bible says (and im not a christian), the idle mind is the devils playground. if the parents arrive and they are engaged in carving out a living, then they are ENGAGED in that. but if their kids or all the refugees in europe or anywhere else are just given welfare and are basicly "bored" then society is screwed. because a young man who is bored will become depressed very rapidly.  and "hate" and "destruction" are always more engaging then boredom. its almost like people use hate and destruction to wake themselves up out of boredom . we can see this on this board. several poster who do not have a purpose in life, are just bored and depressed and hating on others "pumps their emotional state". so young muslim men must be engaged or they will most certainly be attracted to the dark side. i would have them doing hard labour in australia building roads or in germany building autobahns or in bangladessh building levee banks. they need to be worked. if you just give them welfare and bung them in a welfare durrp state, you are acting with great stupidity

I sort of agree with this perspective. However, in Australia roads are now built by certified workers using very heavy machinery. So any occupational therapy is going to require more imagination.

The idea of having a mission or a sense of purpose is generally a good one, but to be a Muzlim you have to accept the given purpose, which is to serve Allah, and we have all seen how that has gone dreadfully wrong.

If we take a look at society, we have to come to the conclusion that a great number of people never have a sense of purpose. They play games until they hit puberty, when they become driven by reproductive imperatives. Most never do anything other than have children and go to work. And the proof is that most fear the unstructured life of retirement.

Which brings us to the next issue after homosexual marriage; Universal Basic Income, probably the worst suggestion from the social engineers of the progressive-humanist Left. At a time when budget analysts assure us that we can no longer afford to pay retirement pensions for an increasingly aged population, they come up with this idea which would confirm bulk-humanity's dronelike nature, if a central government could actually find the money.

(You can bet every one of these Sanctimonious do-gooders has a Master's Degree, which shows that education isn't necessarily going to save us.)

By re-enforcing this dronelike nature, the progressive-humanist Left entrench themselves politically, hence their open boarder policy: more people depending on them. And they will probably succeed, at the cost of Stoicism and self-reliance and self-motivation. Its a sort of Catch 22, because the drones are not capable of recognising their own nature.

Humanity and society are a combined ore providing only a very small potential amount of refined product. If the drones are going to mutate into a more advanced state, it is up to parents to foster imagination and in the children.

issuevoter wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 9:41am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:40am: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 6:54am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 11:13pm: Don't seem to be much fabricating going on down here in Green Bow...... and all Muslims who pass the gate test can come in as long as they behave and accept our ways as equal to theirs.  Otherwise they can simply not come here...... Wrong. Their progeny can have ideas of their own, just as we have seen hundreds of Western-born young Muslims go off to fight for the ISIS Caliphate ~ with their parents in Manchester, Paris, Detroit, Brussels, etc expressing surprise and alarm. Muslims mutate from generation to generation like a virus. We have 20 or more Islamic terrorists in our Australian jails - but not one parent, and that's because of a deadly mutation that arrived in their children due to Islam being a sexually transmitted disease (STD). herb, a young man MUST have a mission in life, a "lifes purpose". as the bible says (and im not a christian), the idle mind is the devils playground. if the parents arrive and they are engaged in carving out a living, then they are ENGAGED in that. but if their kids or all the refugees in europe or anywhere else are just given welfare and are basicly "bored" then society is screwed. because a young man who is bored will become depressed very rapidly.  and "hate" and "destruction" are always more engaging then boredom. its almost like people use hate and destruction to wake themselves up out of boredom . we can see this on this board. several poster who do not have a purpose in life, are just bored and depressed and hating on others "pumps their emotional state". so young muslim men must be engaged or they will most certainly be attracted to the dark side. i would have them doing hard labour in australia building roads or in germany building autobahns or in bangladessh building levee banks. they need to be worked. if you just give them welfare and bung them in a welfare durrp state, you are acting with great stupidity I sort of agree with this perspective. However, in Australia roads are now built by certified workers using very heavy machinery. So any occupational therapy is going to require more imagination. The idea of having a mission or a sense of purpose is generally a good one, but to be a Muzlim you have to accept the given purpose, which is to serve Allah, and we have all seen how that has gone dreadfully wrong. If we take a look at society, we have to come to the conclusion that a great number of people never have a sense of purpose. They play games until they hit puberty, when they become driven by reproductive imperatives. Most never do anything other than have children and go to work. And the proof is that most fear the unstructured life of retirement. Which brings us to the next issue after homosexual marriage; Universal Basic Income, probably the worst suggestion from the social engineers of the progressive-humanist Left. At a time when budget analysts assure us that we can no longer afford to pay retirement pensions for an increasingly aged population, they come up with this idea which would confirm bulk-humanity's dronelike nature, if a central government could actually find the money. (You can bet every one of these Sanctimonious do-gooders has a Master's Degree, which shows that education isn't necessarily going to save us.) By re-enforcing this dronelike nature, the progressive-humanist Left entrench themselves politically, hence their open boarder policy: more people depending on them. And they will probably succeed, at the cost of Stoicism and self-reliance and self-motivation. Its a sort of Catch 22, because the drones are not capable of recognising their own nature. Humanity and society are a combined ore providing only a very small potential amount of refined product. If the drones are going to mutate into a more advanced state, it is up to parents to foster imagination and in the children.

the left simply have a failed definition of compassion.
compassion should be felt for an infant , someone who is badly injured or the very elderly.
but compassion for most people needs to be kept very much in check.

if we look at a principle of how we should treat old people in nursing homes.
it is best that we let them feed themselves and let them walk to the toilet themselves because it is NOT a helpful act to spoon feed an elderly person who is struggling a bit.
you are taking away his/her skills.
sometimes you have to really think about what you are doing and let people struggle because it is actually good for them.
its good for an old guy to retain his mobility
its good for an old guy to retain his independance in being able to feed himself
you are NOT a heartless bastard if you dont jump in and do it for him.

the leftie has "unfocused compassion"
this is a terrible idea and leads to so much more suffering.

but when you try to point it out to them, their egos cant handle it and they will hate on you.
i still recognise that tough love is a very big part of helping people up the "narrow road to success"  ;)

Muslims are the worst thing that can happen to any country.

Haunting black and white photos of Rohingya refugees that the whole world needs to see

Award-winning photojournalist Kevin Frayer spent two weeks documenting the Rohingya refugee crisis in Bangladesh.

His stark black-and-white photos cast the desperate plight of these stateless people in a new light.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/haunting-black-white-photos-rohingya-refugees-that-whole-world-needs-see-1643107

Kill them.

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They're tinted.

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Moslem == a follower of Islam.

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Poison the nests where they breed.

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Stop the boats.

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We don't want them here.

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One supposes that if the persecuted Islamists had converted to Buddhism that all the persecution would stop. After all, most Buddhists get along quite well with other Buddhists, don't they?

But that won't happen, will it? Because we all know the penalty for apostasy, courtesy of Islam.

One also assumes that it is bad policy to attack the armed forces of your adoptive home country without thinking of repercussions. Then again, some selfish members of the Rohingya may have been attempting to enter Paradise earlier than their brethren.

One also considers the fact that if they'd behaved themselves, they'd probably still be living unmolested in their villages.

Then again, it's that tiny minority of religious extremists that spoil it for everyone else.

But what's new?

Can Muslims even live together? Shia and Sunni would tend to indicate not.

The only thing we can be sure of is their enmity to anyone not Muslim.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 10:37pm:

Moslem == a follower of Islam.

Correct, K.



The moslem, every moslem, including Myanmar's Rohingya moslems, are making a poor choice, to choose to remain latent, wanna-be homicidal maniacs, aka, moslems.


And, every Western nation which accepts moslem refugees, are also making a very poor and foolish choice, in accepting persons as 'refugees', who are committed latent, wanna-be homicidal maniacs.




Advice, to Myanmar's Rohingya moslems.....
....go on the Hajj to Saudi Arabia,      take your whole family with you,
and overstay in Saudi Arabia.

There is a good life for you, in Saudi Arabia.

And to satisfy your religious zealotry as true moslems,
once you become settled in Saudi Arabia, you can start a war against the infidels that you identify, within the Saudi royal family.

Allah be praised!


But stay in Saudi Arabia.

Coz we don't want murderous, thieving, stealing, lying, treacherous moslems, coming, to live among us, in the West.

Coz if we allow you to come here, looking for sanctuary, and allow you to to live among us,
we know that as soon as you feel secure and comfortable,
you will straight away forget, what it was that caused you to need to seek to flee, from the conflict which you yourselves instigated, needing to flee somewhere new, to a place of safety and sanctuary,
and will revert to wanting to follow and practice, the religious precepts of your murderous cult.

Because, that is what a true and pure moslem does.



"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101


"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11



IMAGE.....
https://cdn.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Muslims-Quran.jpeg

"We are motivated by our religion, by our Qur’an and Sunnah and we are not ashamed of that,..."



Quote:

By Nicolai Sennels on May 31, 2017 09:02 am The real cause of Islamic terrorism: “We are motivated by our religion, by our Qur’an and Sunnah” Every time a new jihad attack strikes innocents in the West, media and politicians get busy blaming “bad integration,” “poverty,” “marginalization,” “racism,” etc. For some reason, it never occurs to them to ask if Islamic terrorism has anything to do with Islam and the increasing number of followers of this particular religion in our countries......

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/05/the-real-cause-of-islamic-terrorism-we-are-motivated-by-our-religion-by-our-quran-and-sunnah





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IMAGE.....
http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170120131649-02-melbourne-car-crash-exlarge-169.jpg

Melbourne atrocity, committed by a 'Greek' person claiming that...

"Muslim faith is the correct faith according to the whole world.....

And I am not guilty."

.....n.b.        the dropkick who did this, considers himself to be a virtuous person.




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Quote:

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC religious scholar, Sayyid Qutb





There is no relenting, by some wicked people, of their ways....

Isaiah 26:10
Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.




They will always be, committed latent, wanna-be homicidal maniacs.


IMAGE.....
http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/09/17/1226475/975416-islamic-protest-in-the-streets-of-sydney.jpg

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

Haunting black and white photos of Rohingya refugees that the whole world needs to see Award-winning photojournalist Kevin Frayer spent two weeks documenting the Rohingya refugee crisis in Bangladesh. His stark black-and-white photos cast the desperate plight of these stateless people in a new light. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/haunting-black-white-photos-rohingya-refugees-that-whole-world-needs-see-1643107

Wonder how else we can make a buck from the  scum ?

brutal as those pictures are Karnal, they serve as a cautionary tale.

something must have gone very wrong with the psychodynamic in burma for this to have occured.

something also obviously went wrong with the psychodynamic in ramadi when Isis retook the city and burned 500 families alive who were deemed western sympathisers.  and raped all the 10 yo girls and boys in the name of islam.

the 'dark side" dwells within everyone.

the morally superior leftard intellectuals dont think they would have it in them to treat people like this but i assure you they do.
they are no different to the enlightened germans who ran the camps.

so get down off your high horse and do some deep introspection and realise that human beings are basicly garbage and that if you dont get up every day and use every ounce of your willpower to fight a brutal campaign against your own selfish ego then you are not becoming anything different to the perpetrators who you so despise .

if fat steve and the billions of fat steves living out there in lower consciousness dont want to climb then they go down.

and being a SJW is NO DIFFERENT to being fat steve.
you are just drawing your emotional state and pumping your ego out of lower consciousness.  the spiritually enlightened SJW is no different to steve and no different to trump.  he is still just as filled with hate and still just as filled with getting those little hits of pleasure from his ego.

posting those pics gave you a little hit of dopamine, a little hit of pleasure. 

its the same sh**t.

hating on white supremicists or trump or the burmese military or wall street is NO DIFFERENT to being a member of those groups. its just your bloody ego pumping itself up.

Horse Boy ... so much no idea at all.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 4:06am:

scum

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Yadda wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 12:03am:

latent, wanna-be homicidal maniacs

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aquascoot wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 6:50am:

the 'dark side"

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The images, Reply #69, Reply #70, Reply #71

They are being tested.

....and so are we.

Throughout our lives, we are being weighed in the balance.


Numbers 14:18
The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.


And do we ever come to that place, where we sincerely repent before God [our creator], for our mistakes and for all of our poor choices ?


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435998745/1#1

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 8:27am:

mothra wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 1:00am: I was only trying to be helpful, Karnal. I think some of our fellow debators have difficulty reconciling the fact that they object to gays being thrown off buildings for doing it mardi gras style even though those gays are Muslim. I think most debators have trouble reconciling why the left have such a massive hard on for Islam when it is so inimical to the principles they so loudly profess.

Personally I have trouble reconciling how some people could respond to things like the ripping of a screaming baby from its mother's arms, throwing it on a fire, and gang-raping the mother with 'I blame Islam'. But thats just me.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2017 at 6:23pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 8:27am: mothra wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 1:00am: I was only trying to be helpful, Karnal. I think some of our fellow debators have difficulty reconciling the fact that they object to gays being thrown off buildings for doing it mardi gras style even though those gays are Muslim. I think most debators have trouble reconciling why the left have such a massive hard on for Islam when it is so inimical to the principles they so loudly profess. Personally I have trouble reconciling how some people could respond to things like the ripping of a screaming baby from its mother's arms, throwing it on a fire, and gang-raping the mother with 'I blame Islam'. But thats just me.

There are a lot of wicked people in this world gandalf.



What should be our response to such atrocities ?

Q.
Doesn't ISLAM suggest, that Allah favours the righteous ?

Are we to assume that these vile actions merely reflect Allah's will, and that the victims are deserving of their suffering ?

.....because that, is what ISLAM teaches!




Jeremiah 22:3
Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.    [.....UNLESS HE IS AN INFIDEL!]

i.e.
'Because, if he is an an infidel,     there is no protection in law, for him.'





"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


.....reconciling Allah's law, and judgment and righteousness.

Yadda wrote on Oct 24^th, 2017 at 9:20am:

There are a lot of wicked people in this world gandalf. What should be our response to such atrocities ?

Some condemnation of the perpetrators and compassion for the victims would be a good start.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2017 at 9:35am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 24th, 2017 at 9:20am: There are a lot of wicked people in this world gandalf. What should be our response to such atrocities ? Some condemnation of the perpetrators and compassion for the victims would be a good start.

Some condemnation of the infidel perpetrators and compassion for the moslem victims would be a good start.

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Yadda wrote on Oct 24^th, 2017 at 9:40am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24th, 2017 at 9:35am: Yadda wrote on Oct 24th, 2017 at 9:20am: There are a lot of wicked people in this world gandalf. What should be our response to such atrocities ? Some condemnation of the perpetrators and compassion for the victims would be a good start. Some condemnation of the infidel perpetrators and compassion for the moslem victims would be a good start. FIXED

Why do you have a problem with this simply being a human tragedy, separate from religion/ethnicity Yadda?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2017 at 12:10pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 24th, 2017 at 9:40am: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24th, 2017 at 9:35am: Yadda wrote on Oct 24th, 2017 at 9:20am: There are a lot of wicked people in this world gandalf. What should be our response to such atrocities ? Some condemnation of the perpetrators and compassion for the victims would be a good start. Some condemnation of the infidel perpetrators and compassion for the moslem victims would be a good start. FIXED Why do you have a problem with this simply being a human tragedy, separate from religion/ethnicity Yadda?

I thought that everyone knew gandalf,
......that Buddhists are not human beings.

Buddhists are infidels,      who rape and murder innocent moslems.

All moslems are righteous, and innocent people gandalf.

And all infidels are guilty, guilty, guilty!

It is as plain as the nose on your face gandalf.



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"ISLAM ES PAZ"


IMAGE.....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/pow/islam-es-paz.jpg


Everyone knows that true ISLAM, is a religion of peace.

/sarc off





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Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means submitting your will to God, so you acquire peace through it," he said. "When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings, I know that my own actions are in line     with what my creator wants, and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimination-at-meeting/6025586?section=nt




IMAGE....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5814780-3x2-700x467.jpg


Quote:

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

- ABC news report - 2015-01-19



QUOTE;
"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."
- Mr Yunus


Honest!





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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;


Quote:

YT KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE "...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems." "....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God." "...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God." "...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM." "...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does." "...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]" "...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4



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ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."



THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260