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Tarong bounces back 5 years after LNP put Power Station units into storage The ETU has praised the Palaszczuk Government for bringing local jobs back to the community of Tarong by putting two power station units back online which were placed into cold storage by the LNP. This week marks five years to do the day the Newman Government placed two of the units at the Tarong Power Station into cold storage, in order to raise Stanwell revenues prior to planned privatisation of the company. The decision – made while current LNP leader Tim Nicholls was Treasurer – lead to massive job losses which devastated the local community, and contributed to the high spike in power prices under the Newman Government. ETU Organiser Jason Young said the electrical workers in South Burnett were proud of the Palaszczuk Government’s decision to reverse the LNP’s mistake. “Five years ago the wannabe leader of this state rubberstamped placing these units into cold storage in order to fatten up the price of Stanwell for his Strong Choices privatisation plans,” he said. “All the while local Member Deb Frecklington – who is now the wannabe deputy leader of Queensland – stood by and did nothing to stop jobs being gutted from her electorate. “Thankfully the Palaszczuk Government has reversed this disastrous decision, which drove up electricity prices, and has put both units back online and helped bring these jobs back to Tarong.” Mr Young said the Palaszczuk Government was leading the way in driving down electricity price increases, with Queensland seeing the lowest increases in the country this year. When Tim Nicholls was Treasurer of Queensland the state’s wholesale electricity price increase was the highest in Australia. Electricity prices went up by 81 per cent between 2011-12 and 2014-15.

oopps. I guess that means they'll have to stop pretending Palaszczuk has caused the rise

:D :D

Yep .... just like they're trying to blame her for QR rail fails.

All set in motion by the Newman LNP govt. They slashed the driver jobs ... they sent the new train build contract to India & they don't work & ....

they bought all the non compatible signalling system that caused the delays in opening the new rail line to Redcliffe.

Gnads wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

Tarong bounces back 5 years after LNP put Power Station units into storage

Fancy putting coal power back on line. You would think the greenies would be up in arms.

John Smith wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 1:07pm:

oopps. I guess that means they'll have to stop pretending Palaszczuk has caused the rise :D :D

It may mean they can claim credit for the fall in prices.

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 3:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 1:07pm: oopps. I guess that means they'll have to stop pretending Palaszczuk has caused the rise :D :D It may mean they can claim credit for the fall in prices.

you think the libs will try to claim credit do you? :D :D

John Smith wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 3:41pm:

you think the libs will try to claim credit do you?

No. Do you think a drop in electricity prices would dent the renewables is cheaper meme?

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 3:41pm: you think the libs will try to claim credit do you? No. Do you think a drop in electricity prices would dent the renewables is cheaper meme?

do you think that has anything to do with the topic?

John Smith wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 3:48pm:

do you think that has anything to do with the topic?

Yes. After all the subject is Queensland power prices.

Don't you think it imperative in manipulation of electricity prices by governments, that price go UP using coal fired power?

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 3:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 3:48pm: do you think that has anything to do with the topic? Yes. After all the subject is Queensland power prices. Don't you think it imperative in manipulation of electricity prices by governments, that price go UP using coal fired power?

What are you on about?

Prices were inflated because the LNP shut down 2 turbines at Tarong.

Thus reducing baseload capacity & increasing prices.

The price rise used as an incentive to prospective buyers in the sell off Stanwell Power Station to private enterprise.

Stanwell is coal fired as well.

Gnads wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 7:11pm:

Prices were inflated because the LNP shut down 2 turbines at Tarong. Thus reducing baseload capacity & increasing prices.

Have there been any increases under Labor?

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 7:20pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:11pm: Prices were inflated because the LNP shut down 2 turbines at Tarong. Thus reducing baseload capacity & increasing prices. Have there been any increases under Labor?

What? state labor?

I'd say yes... the companies apply for price increases just like the CPI increases.

Bringing back more generation capacity should help to drop or alleviate any further increases.

Those turbines should never have been mothballed in the first place.

As the state continued to grow, except for the devious LNP reasons to artificially manipulate the price, why would you decrease capacity when the demand for power was increasing?

It's absolute greed & deception.   

Gnads wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 7:34pm:

I'd say yes... the companies apply for price increases just like the CPI increases. Bringing back more generation capacity should help to drop or alleviate any further increases.

So Labor Queensland is a government, prices have gone up. But they are pure as the driven snow, and is not one of those governments that manipulate electricity prices. Got it. ;)

Won't be long now until the fracking begins

And in a few years the lollies will be wringing their hands lamenting the cancers and dead crops

Then they will blame someone else, move to another country and live on their bribes and pensions

While Australians die

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 7:20pm:

Have there been any increases under Labor?

god you are demented

John Smith wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

god you are demented

well seeing as Gnads said yes. I guess you must be the only sane one. /sarc

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 9:36pm: god you are demented well seeing as Gnads said yes. I guess you must be the only sane one. /sarc

gnads was talking about CPI increases, you're deflecting. Not the same thing. Although it does appear that I'm the only one sane enough to understand that.

you realise throwing straw men arguments out there isn't going to make the OP disappear, right?

John Smith wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 9:53pm:

gnads was talking about CPI increases,

You seem to be under a misapprehension. There is nothing in the OP about CPI. How would CPI be "manipulation" of prices?


Gnads wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

Tarong bounces back 5 years after LNP put Power Station units into storage The ETU has praised the Palaszczuk Government for bringing local jobs back to the community of Tarong by putting two power station units back online which were placed into cold storage by the LNP. This week marks five years to do the day the Newman Government placed two of the units at the Tarong Power Station into cold storage, in order to raise Stanwell revenues prior to planned privatisation of the company.

Certainly doesn't sound like CPI. Either you can't read basic English or perhaps you are just - What was it you called me?- A liar.

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

There is nothing in the OP about CPI

no one said there was :D :D


lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

Certainly doesn't sound like CPI. Either you can't read basic English or perhaps you are just - What was it you called me?- A liar.

you forgot the third option. Mainly that you are an idiot. What you quoted wasn't Gnads comment, it was a quote that Gnads supplied.

there is a difference. :D :D

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 3:20pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 1:04pm: Tarong bounces back 5 years after LNP put Power Station units into storage Fancy putting coal power back on line. You would think the greenies would be up in arms.

You would think that there was an election coming up with her numbers plummeting.

its amazing what these politicians will do FOR the people once there's an election coming up.

successive governments have betrayed its people both state and federal.

the qld state labor government was not going to approve the new coal mine but when their numbers plummeted and an election looming, bang!! , they approved the mine.

labor need to stop doing deals with the greens, its been a disaster for our country.

but if the qld state government are really trying to fix things then good on them.

not forgetting the massive pressure one nation has put on all QLD state political parties with calls to open mining and build new power stations. their numbers have. been going up and up.

sir Joh was a businessman who came up thru the ranks and had years of grinding it out to be successful.

in dealing with foreign miners, joh was not "easy prey" like bligh, beattie and paloschuk.

bligh and beattie gave away the gas for about 1 billion in royalties.  a similar ammount of gas at the same time coming out of Qatar cost the multinationals 20 billion in royalties. no wonder multinationals like labor governments. they are full of pussies.

but joh had the best model of all.

you could mine the coal but the government owned the rail, the ports and they charged huge fees to move the stuff.  HUGE and way over the top. he squeezed them til it hurt.

you could build your aluminium refinery in gladstone but the government built the enormous power plant next door and you paid HUGE prices for the power.

all straight back into the government coffers.

and no "one off deal".

you paid and paid in perpetuity.

you never stopped paying joh.

a "minerals rent tax" that worked.

and then we had swan and rudd try to tax miners and the tax cost more to administer then it collected ;)

and now turnbull and morrison tried to tax iron ore but the bottom fell out so they tax the gold miners (and the banks).in fact anyone who is successful has a big target on their back.

this is communism, pure and simple.
this is the politics of envy and the politics of driving everyone to be mediocre.

and now we will have blackouts and appeals not to use your air conditioner.

in the country which is the worlds biggest exporter of coal and a very big exporter of gas.

and instead we will build batteries and pump water back up the snowy and pay enormous subsidies to danish wind turbine makers to instal turbines which currently make less then 3 % of our electricity needs.


what a sick joke this country is  ;)

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 7:34pm: I'd say yes... the companies apply for price increases just like the CPI increases. Bringing back more generation capacity should help to drop or alleviate any further increases. So Labor Queensland is a government, prices have gone up. But they are pure as the driven snow, and is not one of those governments that manipulate electricity prices. Got it. ;)

Does the price of your daily dose of fibre go up?

I'd suggest you eat more.

There's a difference to CPI type increases than the out & out gouging that's been going on across the country.

Hey Labor allowed CSG fracking in QLD ... it's no good either but that doesn't get the LNP off the hook for the Tarong situation.

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 9:53pm: gnads was talking about CPI increases, You seem to be under a misapprehension. There is nothing in the OP about CPI. How would CPI be "manipulation" of prices? Gnads wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 1:04pm: Tarong bounces back 5 years after LNP put Power Station units into storage The ETU has praised the Palaszczuk Government for bringing local jobs back to the community of Tarong by putting two power station units back online which were placed into cold storage by the LNP. This week marks five years to do the day the Newman Government placed two of the units at the Tarong Power Station into cold storage, in order to raise Stanwell revenues prior to planned privatisation of the company. Certainly doesn't sound like CPI. Either you can't read basic English or perhaps you are just - What was it you called me?- A liar.

Still deflecting ... it may not have been in the original post ... but when you asked the question about price rises under LABOR ...... I stated CPI.

You need to take something for your short term memory or learn how to read thoroughly.

quote author=John_Smith link=1507777481/18#18 date=1507814338]lee wrote Yesterday at 8:39pm:
There is nothing in the OP about CPI


no one said there was[/quote]


John Smith wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 9:53pm:

gnads was talking about CPI increases,

You are floundering.


John Smith wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 11:18pm:

What you quoted wasn't Gnads comment, it was a quote that Gnads supplied. there is a difference.

Yes, he provided a quote. He didn't agree/disagree with the quote. He provided no input at all.

NORMAL people would assume that he approved of quote in that case. ;)

Gnads wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

There's a difference to CPI type increases than the out & out gouging that's been going on across the country.

Thank you. As I said CPI has nothing to do with price manipulation.

Gnads wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 8:50am:

Still deflecting ... it may not have been in the original post ... but when you asked the question about price rises under LABOR ...... I stated CPI.

So in your view only CPI increases and therefore not manipulating the price as per your headline.

"Deregulation of retail electricity prices in South East Queensland (SEQ) commenced on 1 July 2016. This means the QCA no longer regulates retail electricity prices for residential and small business customers in SEQ. "

"On 31 May 2017, the Queensland Competition Authority (QCA) announced new regulated retail prices for regional Queensland for 2017–18.

In the previous 12 months, unprecedented increases in wholesale energy costs have placed significant upward pressure on retail prices for electricity customers across Queensland."

https://www.dews.qld.gov.au/electricity/prices


"Power prices jumped on July 1 after three major retailers announced increases of up to 20 per cent and $600 a year for the average customer in some states."

"“It in no way explains why bills have gone up by 183 per cent on average over the last two decades.”

He’s not the only one who is just a little sceptical, which is why the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission is now investigating prices in Queensland, NSW, Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and the ACT."

http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/the-real-reasons-why-our-power-prices-are-going-up/news-story/c61b12ecd56001bfbcd2b9f45c581d7b

So it does't appear to be Government.


Gnads wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 8:50am:

You need to take something for your short term memory or learn how to read thoroughly.

Perhaps you need to do a modicum of research.