Power bills: Why the Government wants to pay you to switch off this summer

ABC News
October 11 2017


Households and businesses who turn down air conditioners during heatwaves and switch off other appliances like pool pumps would be rewarded under a scheme announced today.

Electricity users in Victoria, South Australia and New South Wales will be able to volunteer to cut their power use when demand is high in exchange for benefits like rebates on their bills.

Energy and Environment Minister Josh Frydenberg said a household could be paid $25 each time it switched off at a peak demand time, on top of the saving on its power bills.

But other rewards might include giving people a free day of electricity or a movie voucher. The incentive would depend on the various companies participating in the trial.

The Federal Government is spending nearly $30 million to support the trial and the NSW Government is contributing $7 million.
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Audrey Zibelman, the head of the energy market operator, said it was aimed at managing demand, not "making people sweat in their homes".

She said it would make the system flexible enough to cope if supply fell temporarily, such as if the wind dropped and less wind energy was generated.

Businesses that sign up for the scheme would install monitoring devices to reduce power use on equipment like cool rooms when heatwaves drive extreme power demand.

Mr Frydenberg said the pilot program could save enough power to support more than 100,000 homes — or as much as is generated by a small power station.

He said the system was already used in nations including the United States and New Zealand as a cost-effective way of managing power demand and price spikes as well as preventing outages.
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The scheme is part of a broader switch to managing demand by using smart meters in households as well as making it easy for people to track their power usage online and take advantage of off-peak prices.

NSW Energy Minister Don Harwin compared the plan to the way people learned to reduce their water use during the last major drought.

"It is not about turning the lights off or making people uncomfortable, it is actually just getting smarter about using [electricity], just like we got smarter about using water, and therefore making it efficient and cheaper," Ms Zibelman said.

She said it would make the power system more reliable by having the ability to say "it's going to be hot, the system is stressed — can we use energy a little better?" in a way that customers "don't even notice".

A similar program called PeakSmart already operates in Queensland, offering financial incentives for people who agree to limit air-conditioners to 26 degrees Celsius and have pool pumps turned off during peak demand.

Politicians could do it, set an example,
and give the rebate dollar value to charity (NOT a political donation to their party of choice)!

Has everybody got Smart Meters or is it all promissory?

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 6:21pm:

Has everybody got Smart Meters or is it all promissory?

You don't want smart meters.

Everyone I know who had these insidious devices installed now has far higher bills than those of us who told them to go to hell.

The Australian grubberment, the worlds largest criminal organisation.

Deary deary me , are the libtards that bereft of policy initiative this is the best they can come up with  ::)

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 6:21pm:

Has everybody got Smart Meters or is it all promissory?

Is that why my meter now asks me trivia questions ?

Dnarever wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Is that why my meter now asks me trivia questions ?

Maybe, mistakenly, it thinks you smart enough to answer. ;)

This is all a cover to prepare us for blackouts in summer.

In this way the Govt. will blame us for the blackouts -

ohh you didn't switch off your air con when it was 42 degrees.

It's going to take labor a decade to undo the damage these mongols have done , look in the mirror and give yourself an upper cut if you voted libtards

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 6:21pm:

Has everybody got Smart Meters or is it all promissory?

you mean those dumb meters that were going to help reduce our electricity bills. What a con that was :(

The reason why the pollies couldn't wait to get rid of the old mechanical meters was because they gave everyone parity on their feedins which is how it should be.

Its time wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

It's going to take labor a decade to undo the damage these mongols have done , look in the mirror and give yourself an upper cut if you voted libtards

Privatisation of essential services:

Who sold Hazelwood power station to a French company
and then allowed that company to run the power station into the ground
so badly that when it was closed it required $750 million to fix it?
In the meantime of course that French company squeezed every last penny out of the place and
took off overseas with our money.

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 8:08pm:

lee wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:21pm: Has everybody got Smart Meters or is it all promissory? you mean those dumb meters that were going to help reduce our electricity bills. What a con that was :( The reason why the pollies couldn't wait to get rid of the old mechanical meters was because they gave everyone parity on their feedins which is how it should be.

yes. Those meters. How will they know if you abide by a promise to set your aircon to a higher temperature?

Its time wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

It's going to take labor a decade to undo the damage these mongols have done , look in the mirror and give yourself an upper cut if you voted libtards

That will be a first.

The only saving grace of turnbull is that he is as hopeless as your lot, so no nice surplus or savings for Labor to blow.

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:08pm: lee wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:21pm: Has everybody got Smart Meters or is it all promissory? you mean those dumb meters that were going to help reduce our electricity bills. What a con that was :( The reason why the pollies couldn't wait to get rid of the old mechanical meters was because they gave everyone parity on their feedins which is how it should be. yes. Those meters. How will they know if you abide by a promise to set your aircon to a higher temperature?

They won't -

this is all a cover to prepare us for blackouts in summer.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

this is all a cover to prepare us for blackouts in summer.

That was a forgone conclusion when AEMO, in their report to government, admitted that windpower would probably only supply 2-5% of nameplate capacity, based on their data from previous years.

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 9:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:57pm: this is all a cover to prepare us for blackouts in summer. That was a forgone conclusion when AEMO, in their report to government, admitted that windpower would probably only supply 2-5% of nameplate capacity, based on their data from previous years.

Surely the power could be stored from wind energy & solar panels?

You only have to use the power to pump water uphill to a lake
or some sort of covered reservoir and then recover the energy
by using a hydro electric turbine when it comes back down.

I think the renewable effort has been very poor in Australia.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

You only have to use the power to pump water uphill to a lake

First you may have to create or enlarge the lake. The greenies will object.

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:52pm: You only have to use the power to pump water uphill to a lake First you may have to create or enlarge the lake. The greenies will object.

Actually a lake is inefficient because too much water is lost
due to evaporation.
A giant covered reservoir is needed.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Actually a lake is inefficient because too much water is lost due to evaporation. A giant covered reservoir is needed.

Still the same problem.

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:14pm: Actually a lake is inefficient because too much water is lost due to evaporation. A giant covered reservoir is needed. Still the same problem.

Greenies would love such an energy storage system.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:17pm:

Greenies would love such an energy storage system.

Nope. They would find something of significance that would be drowned. Whose habitat destroyed.

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:08pm: lee wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:21pm: Has everybody got Smart Meters or is it all promissory? you mean those dumb meters that were going to help reduce our electricity bills. What a con that was :( The reason why the pollies couldn't wait to get rid of the old mechanical meters was because they gave everyone parity on their feedins which is how it should be. yes. Those meters. How will they know if you abide by a promise to set your aircon to a higher temperature?

they can monitor your usage and switch off your air-conditioner remotely I was told but I believe you have to enable this option in the air-conditioner for it to work.

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:35pm:

they can monitor your usage and switch off your air-conditioner remotely I was told but I believe you have to enable this option in the air-conditioner for it to work.

Only if it is a smart meter. the old analogue ones don't have connectivity to the internet.

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:35pm: they can monitor your usage and switch off your air-conditioner remotely I was told but I believe you have to enable this option in the air-conditioner for it to work. Only if it is a smart meter. the old analogue ones don't have connectivity to the internet.

Everyone knows that.  :D

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

Everyone knows that.

I remain in awe of the stupidity of some.

So those people without a smart meter, I guess they're going to miss out on the government largesse. The rich can afford to get them installed. The poor will have to wait. :-?

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 10:39pm: Everyone knows that. I remain in awe of the stupidity of some. So those people without a smart meter, I guess they're going to miss out on the government largesse. The rich can afford to get them installed. The poor will have to wait. :-?

Smart meters were installed by law in Melbourne -
we had no choice.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:55pm:

Smart meters were installed by law in Melbourne - we had no choice.

It doesn't appear to be complete in NSW and SA. They are also slated for the smart meters.

I repeat.

Surely the power could be stored from wind energy & solar panels?

You only have to use the power to pump water uphill to a lake
or some sort of covered reservoir and then recover the energy
by using a hydro electric turbine when it comes back down.

I think the renewable effort has been very poor in Australia.

Bobby, you have to take into account the efficiency of the pump and the generator as to whether this is a worthwhile proposition. Snowy hydro have this capacity already at their Tumut 3 power station but rarely use it. It becomes worth while when using cheap off peak power to power the pumps.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 5:55am:

I repeat. Surely the power could be stored from wind energy & solar panels? You only have to use the power to pump water uphill to a lake or some sort of covered reservoir and then recover the energy by using a hydro electric turbine when it comes back down. I think the renewable effort has been very poor in Australia.

It has to be a deep lake to get the 'head' high enough to run turbines for that you need some decent mountains.

Work has it the the QLD government is going to lift the Burdekin Dam another 9 metres to just 50 metres deep and fit out hydro power.

The Lake behind the dam in 220 km2 and the catchment  is 115 000 km2


And all of that will power only 30 000 homes in the north, or about 80 000 people. We have a population of well over half a million in that area.


How big of a dam will Melbourne need or dams more likely and where will they go?


What happens when the greenies find out about them, they will only allow intermittent power from intermittent sources like solar and wind and NOTHING else


Thanks to stupid environmentalists and an even more stupid public, Australia will continue to be the laughing stock of the world when is come to providing safe, reliable and cheap energy to its population.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

In this way the Govt. will blame us for the blackouts -

And so thy should, it is the urban dickheads that want all this renewable energy causing lack of confidence in the energy sector which causes higher prices and less supply.

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 7:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 5:55am: I repeat. Surely the power could be stored from wind energy & solar panels? You only have to use the power to pump water uphill to a lake or some sort of covered reservoir and then recover the energy by using a hydro electric turbine when it comes back down. I think the renewable effort has been very poor in Australia. It has to be a deep lake to get the 'head' high enough to run turbines for that you need some decent mountains. Work has it the the QLD government is going to lift the Burdekin Dam another 9 metres to just 50 metres deep and fit out hydro power. The Lake behind the dam in 220 km2 and the catchment  is 115 000 km2 And all of that will power only 30 000 homes in the north, or about 80 000 people. We have a population of well over half a million in that area. How big of a dam will Melbourne need or dams more likely and where will they go? What happens when the greenies find out about them, they will only allow intermittent power from intermittent sources like solar and wind and NOTHING else Thanks to stupid environmentalists and an even more stupid public, Australia will continue to be the laughing stock of the world when is come to providing safe, reliable and cheap energy to its population.

Come on BigOl,
You only need some place where there's a 200 to 300 meter
higher elevation close by and it will work.

As I said Greenies would love it as it would prove that renewables have baseload power.

This GetUp! failed attempt by BlackDay to chortle about the possible need to limit power load is simply trying to exploit how the Greenies have sabotaged the Australian power system with their useless renewable rubbish.

The myth of Renewable storage is something the Greeny types spew up at every opportunity.

But where does all that spare capacity come from when the output of solar and wind is quite small and is easily sopped up with normal load ?

You would have to have dedicated solar and windy stuff doing nothing but pumping water uphill.

But the crunch comes when this whole shemozzle would only provide a drop in the bucket as the losses in this pumping water uphill dream are huge and the whole thing would be just a waste of time.

Mal's Snowy scheme is vastly different as it is HUGE and uses spare capacity from hydro to pump HUGE amounts of water during off peak times.


What the technically obtuse weak minds of the Greenies just cannot comprehend is that the technology just is not here to be able to effectively use solar and wind for network use.

In the mean time Australia will prosper with its cheap totally reliable Clean Coal Power Stations just like all the other countries are doing.

Thank the Lord Above for futuristic visionaries like Pres Trump and Tony Abbott.

Now watch the Greeny types squirms as their fictitious Globally Warmed world collapses around their ears.

juliar wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 8:10am:

But where does all that spare capacity come from when the output of solar and wind is quite small and is easily sopped up with normal load ?

You  missed the point silly billy.

If we had more solar collection areas & wind power we could pump that water up hill & store the energy.

There is even molten salt heat storage.

Think for 1 second.
Even coal is stored energy from the sun.

thats not going to fly.

to fix the problem , we need to put the evolutionary blowtorch on the authorities.

i will be setting my air cons to 16degrees and running every appliance i can on the hottest days and i urge others to act in a similar fashion.

when there are massive blackouts, the authorities will build some efficient coal power stations and stop with those ugly bird killing windmills that produce diddley squat

Robert,

you are arguing in circles.

I already pointed out a separate dedicated solar + wind would be require to pump the water uphill.

Note that the output of solar and wind is quite small and is easily totally used up with normal network load so ther is NO spare capacity.

And note that the output of solar and wind varies wildly.

Now molten salt is another Greeny dream which is highly complex to operate and is usually associated with the mirror and solar furnace concept which cooks birds.

And this water idea is another Greeny dream as the amount of water required to be pumped up is enormous if it is required to produce any WORTHWHILE output.

Thus the amount of solar and wind required to pump a WORTHWHILE amount of water uphill is GIGANTIC and would cover many hectares of treeless land.

Now the ever present difficulty is terrain ie finding flat treeless land near steep mountainous country where sufficient fall can be obtained. There are very few suitable sites despite what the Greeny dreamers say.

To sum up pumped solar + wind is another Greeny dream.


Mal's snowy scheme is vastly different as it is HUGE and does not rely on the tiny erratic mouse power output of weak solar and wind but uses the off peak HUGE output of hydro.


One useful use for the otherwise useless solar + wind is to power electrolyzers to split water into hydrogen and oxygen for our future hydrogen powered transport.

juliar wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 9:48am:

Robert, you are arguing in circles. I already pointed out a separate dedicated solar + wind would be require to pump the water uphill. Note that the output of solar and wind is quite small and is easily totally used up with normal network load so ther is NO spare capacity. And note that the output of solar and wind varies wildly. Now molten salt is another Greeny dream which is highly complex to operate and is usually associated with the mirror and solar furnace concept which cooks birds. And this water idea is another Greeny dream as the amount of water required to be pumped up is enormous if it is required to produce any WORTHWHILE output. Thus the amount of solar and wind required to pump a WORTHWHILE amount of water uphill is GIGANTIC and would cover many hectares of treeless land. Now the ever present difficulty is terrain ie finding flat treeless land near steep mountainous country where sufficient fall can be obtained. There are very few suitable sites despite what the Greeny dreamers say. To sum up pumped solar + wind is another Greeny dream. Mal's snowy scheme is vastly different as it is HUGE and does not rely on the tiny erratic mouse power output of weak solar and wind but uses the off peak HUGE output of hydro. One useful use for the otherwise useless solar + wind is to power electrolyzers to split water into hydrogen and oxygen for our future hydrogen powered transport.

Then we need more solar farms & wind power.
I'm sure a suitable hill can be found somewhere for
a hydro scheme.

BigOl64 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 7:01am:

It has to be a deep lake to get the 'head' high enough to run turbines for that you need some decent mountains. Work has it the the QLD government is going to lift the Burdekin Dam another 9 metres to just 50 metres deep and fit out hydro power. The Lake behind the dam in 220 km2 and the catchment  is 115 000 km2 And all of that will power only 30 000 homes in the north, or about 80 000 people. We have a population of well over half a million in that area. How big of a dam will Melbourne need or dams more likely and where will they go? What happens when the greenies find out about them, they will only allow intermittent power from intermittent sources like solar and wind and NOTHING else Thanks to stupid environmentalists and an even more stupid public, Australia will continue to be the laughing stock of the world when is come to providing safe, reliable and cheap energy to its population.

Researchers at ANU have identified about 5,000 sites in Queensland, Tasmania, the Canberra district and in and around Alice Springs as potentially suitable for pumped hydro storage.

http://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/anu-identifies-5000-possible-pumped-hydro-sites

John Smith wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 10:18am:

Researchers at ANU have identified about 5,000 sites in Queensland, Tasmania, the Canberra district and in and around Alice Springs as potentially suitable for pumped hydro storage. http://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/anu-identifies-5000-possible-pumped-hydro-si...

Did that do the obligatory environmental impact study before work begins? ;)

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 11:47am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:18am: Researchers at ANU have identified about 5,000 sites in Queensland, Tasmania, the Canberra district and in and around Alice Springs as potentially suitable for pumped hydro storage. http://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/anu-identifies-5000-possible-pumped-hydro-si... Did that do the obligatory environmental impact study before work begins? ;)

the link is there. You can read can't you?

John Smith wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 1:09pm:

the link is there. You can read can't you?

Yes. Was there something you didn't understand?

"This assessment is based on very appealing physical characteristics. But the potential upper reservoir sites identified would require detailed due diligence involving land ownership, engineering, hydrological, environmental and other considerations."

So they have identified sites that even need due diligence on engineering and hydrological concerns.

Looks like they looked at a map and said "Yep, that'll do. 5,000. Woo hoo".

you need help Lee.

John Smith wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:

you need help Lee.

I may do. But it certainly couldn't possibly be provided by you. ;)

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 3:38pm: you need help Lee. I may do. But it certainly couldn't possibly be provided by you. ;)

I've never claimed to be a shrink

John Smith wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

I've never claimed to be a shrink

Thank you for admitting you don't know what you are talking about. ;)

Astonishing we're talking about cutting our power usage in Hamlets 21st century economy  ::)

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 3:49pm: I've never claimed to be a shrink Thank you for admitting you don't know what you are talking about. ;)

one doesn't need to be a shrink to know you need help.

John Smith wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

one doesn't need to be a shrink to know you need help.

Yes. from a self-admitted know nothing. thank you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 9:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 9:49pm: one doesn't need to be a shrink to know you need help. Yes. from a self-admitted know nothing. thank you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

can you show that quote please? Or are you taking to outright lying now as well?

John, What can I say? When you don't deny -


lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Thank you for admitting you don't know what you are talking about.

;)

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 9:59pm:

John, What can I say? When you don't deny - lee wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Thank you for admitting you don't know what you are talking about. ;)

what part of 'self-admitted' did you struggle with?

John Smith wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 10:01pm:

what part of 'self-admitted' did you struggle with?

if you don't deny it, you must accept it. if you accept it you have admitted it to yourself. Therefore it is self-admitted. ;)

lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:01pm: what part of 'self-admitted' did you struggle with? if you don't deny it, you must accept it. if you accept it you have admitted it to yourself. Therefore it is self-admitted. ;)

what sort of stupid logic is that? I've never denied being Bill Gates either. According to you that must mean I am.  :D :D :D :D :D

Anything oozing out of the Gay Capital Canberra is highly suspect of being just Greeny propaganda.

The ANU would certainly be suspect as it is overrun by Lefties who would find anything if you paid them to.

All these imaginary sites will prove to be unsuitable as the terrain has to be very specific to be suitable ie clear treeless land near high mountains.

The other aspect that the Greenies carefully avoid is just how much power will the shemozzle actually generate ?

A very large amount of water is required to be pumped very high with huge pumping losses and a very large amount of energy is required to do this if a WORTHWHILE amount of energy is to be produced on the downhill run.

This is where the solar + windy farms fall flat as the output of these things is quite small and varies widely and would probably only pump about 100 bucket fulls a day!!!!

The other aspect is that because the output of solar and windy is so small it is flat out supplying the normal network load and so there would be NO SURPLUS power to pump anything.

If the solar+windy farms are located too far away from the hi lo dams then the power losses will defeat the purpose.

Now compare this to Mal's Snowy scheme which is HUGE and there will be HUGE amounts of water pumped uphill and then released down to produce very large amounts of power.

Mal's Snowy scheme will be powered by off peak hydro power which is enormous.

The microscopic contribution from solar and windy is too small to even be mentioned but Mal will tell the dumb Greenies how important it is.


The dumping of the Renewable Rubbish Subsidy and Clean Coal will win the Libs the election. And Tony Abbott has endorsed all this.

Mals 21st century economy

Internet that's shitter than some third world countries
Turn the power off when it's 40 degrees

Deary deary me , vote libtards  ::)

Its time wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 6:31am:

Mals 21st century economy Internet that's shitter than some third world countries Turn the power off when it's 40 degrees Deary deary me , vote libtards  ::)

this is what you get for 10 years of lack of policy from weak leaders like rudd, gillard and turnbull.
i am getting a bit excited because we ARE going to see some real pain .

manufacturing is toast thanks to high energy prices.
china is building 150 new coal stations with our coal and the profits they make will ensure the only way to balance the books is to sell them more of our real estate.

they may stop lending to us to pay our bloated welfare.

so 'fat steve" may end up in a blackout, possibly homeless and certainly jobless.

this is the perfect storm of "evolutionary pressure"
"fat steve and fat janeen' are about to get the blowtorch applied to them as never before.

i can see food riots and other really lower consciousness sh*t happening because steve and janeen dont have any resilience at all.
they are used to being pleasured by canberra and this will cease.
it will be brutal
it will be painful

steve and janeen would be wise to start preparing for this by following the advice of aquascoot and learning to love adversity and love a challenge...because canberra cant help them anymore.

they are at the mercy of the global economy.
an economy so brutal and so harsh and an economy that will not tolerate a cry baby or a butt hurt loser .
steve and janeen are about to face a personal armageddon

aquascoot wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 6:45am:

Its time wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 6:31am: Mals 21st century economy Internet that's shitter than some third world countries Turn the power off when it's 40 degrees Deary deary me , vote libtards  ::) this is what you get for 10 years of lack of policy from weak leaders like rudd, gillard and turnbull. i am getting a bit excited because we ARE going to see some real pain . manufacturing is toast thanks to high energy prices. china is building 150 new coal stations with our coal and the profits they make will ensure the only way to balance the books is to sell them more of our real estate. they may stop lending to us to pay our bloated welfare. so 'fat steve" may end up in a blackout, possibly homeless and certainly jobless. this is the perfect storm of "evolutionary pressure" "fat steve and fat janeen' are about to get the blowtorch applied to them as never before. i can see food riots and other really lower consciousness sh*t happening because steve and janeen dont have any resilience at all. they are used to being pleasured by canberra and this will cease. it will be brutal it will be painful steve and janeen would be wise to start preparing for this by following the advice of aquascoot and learning to love adversity and love a challenge...because canberra cant help them anymore. they are at the mercy of the global economy. an economy so brutal and so harsh and an economy that will not tolerate a cry baby or a butt hurt loser . steve and janeen are about to face a personal armageddon

Pretty sure reading self help books aren't going to keep the lights on , but if the lights exist being on in the mind , they must be on  :D

Have you tried taking some responsibility for your liberal vote instead of blaming everybody else scoot ?

LW will you do your part and sit in the dark ?

juliar wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 7:19am:

LW will you do your part and sit in the dark ?

After four years of nothing I will have to , or I could add a Tesla power wall to my awesome solar system , which is looking likely if I want to keep power on with these incompetents in power

Its time wrote on Oct 13^th, 2017 at 7:00am:

Have you tried taking some responsibility for your liberal vote instead of blaming everybody else scoot ?

i certainly dont consider Turnbull a liberal.

regarding the reading of self help books?
you have to embrace challenge and you have to man up.
"extreme ownership" is what i call it.
if you want to be a leader, you cannot look for others to blame.
Turnbulls solutions are band aids and he knows it.
he will desperately try not to have blackouts this summer because he is toast if he does.
HE IS INTERESTED IN SAVING HIS OWN SKIN.

a leader MUST put his own skin LAST.
a leader must sacrifice HIMSELF for those he leads.
NEVER THE OTHER WAY ROUND.

turnbull should immediately commence construction of several coal fired power stations.
he can hire some chinese and indian engineers if he wants. they are already up to speed.

he may lose the election if he does this.

but if it means those he leads arent sacrificed.
if it means businesses can stay open and old people dont need to go to the salvos to pay their power bills, then he will have finally shown leadership.

anything short of this is narcissistic self interest and appalling

But aqua a Lefty/Greeny starts out with the erroneous assumption - If you don't agree with me THEN YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!!!

Their Socialist indoctrinated ears are shut to any differing view.


https://pics.me.me/there-are-two-types-of-people-in-this-world-those-2327936.png

juliar,

malcolm could explain this to the population and , indeed , he should.

"we have gone down the wrong road.  we are lost in the forrest. we followed the map set out by the greenies and it has lead us to this catastrophe".

dont sugar coat it.
give it to the people "like a man"
OWN IT.

and turn that ship around.

because the consequences of NOT doing that are deplorable.

and, when you do the right thing, you wedge your opponent.

if Bill comes out for more wind and more solar and tries to block you building some new coal stations AND we get blackouts, Bill has just commited political suicide.

fat steve and fat janeen like their air con
they like their fridge to keep the frozen pizza and timtams cold.
they look forward to watching "the batchelor ' or " american idol' and enjoying their mediocre lives.
steve needs the net for his porn
the fat children need to play "world of warcraft'
janeen needs to get on facebook and gossip .

you take away their little BS pleasures and they wont go climb a mountain with aquascoot and get inspired.
they will get out the pitchforks  ;)

Blackout bill and megawatt terror tariff Malcolm are in it together.

Power stations don't just pop up like a spec built house overnight.

This has been decade long failures by politicians of all types to plan for this countries needs..
They have all failed the Australian  people.

I think its very sad that our national energy policy have come to this.   At the very least, agree or not, the greens and the labors had been consistent with their policy stands.  But the liberals, are not.

Take Tony Abbott for example:

First, he supported an emission trading scheme proposed by the Howard government.  which turned to be not much different to the one proposed by the gillard government.  But he did an U turn when he did the dirty on Turnbull the first time around.   

Even as a prime minister, he supported the Paris Agreement, and in fact he himself set a rewnable energy target as the Prime Minister.   He is doing what he is doing now, to undermine his own party, and more importantly the prime minister. 

However, this display of disray from the sitting government spooked the private investment sectors.  No one knows if there is going to be a target or not.  Or how much subsidy they are going to get. 

John Smith wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 11:20pm:

lee wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:25pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:01pm: what part of 'self-admitted' did you struggle with? if you don't deny it, you must accept it. if you accept it you have admitted it to yourself. Therefore it is self-admitted. ;) what sort of stupid logic is that? I've never denied being Bill Gates either. According to you that must mean I am.  :D :D :D :D :D

Whoever accused you of being Bill Gates? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D