An Islamic school in Australia; 'Peace can only be achieved through establishment of Islam'.

i.e.
An Islamic school in Australia, teaches its moslem students,
that there can only be peace with infidels, if infidels submit [convert] to ISLAM.



IMAGE....
https://cdn.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/bellfield_sydney.jpg

Bellfield, Sydney

“‘Peace can only be achieved through the establishment of Islam’

Muslim school told students ‘secularism was the greatest enemy'”



Quote:

By Christine Douglass-Williams on Oct 06, 2017 05:22 am Australia: Islamic school teaches “Peace can only be achieved through establishment of Islam” An Islamic school instructed teachers to tell students their faith should be ‘established’ across Australia. There is nothing surprising about such a statement. Sharia is regarded as above all laws, and Australia is regarded as part of the House of War to be brought under the hegemony of the House of Islam. These ideas are taught not only in madrassas but in other Islamic institutions as well. Education Minister Rob Stokes said:     Schools should be accountable to Australian society and not isolated from it, and claimed Islamic schools increasingly preached against freedom of religion, thought, and expression......

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/10/australia-islamic-school-teaches-peace-can-only-be-achieved-through-establishment-of-islam




What absolute POPPYCOCK!!!!!!!

This could never happen, here, in Australia.

Moslems, living here in Australia, all love Australia, and they all love the many benefits that the nation and people of Australia,
have given to the ISLAMIC community, here, in Australia !!!

/sarc off




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Yadda says.....

Every single moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be, homicidal maniac.

We should be actively seeking practical ways of removing - ALL - moslems from Australia.



TRUTH.....

Many moslem children living in Australia,
are being taught, by their own parents, to HATE all Australians.



EXAMPLE #1,

Watch good 'Aussie' moslems,      practicing ISLAM      behind closed doors.....

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Muslims brainwash children in Australia  -------- >   goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E





EXAMPLE #2,

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14

Quote:

'Teacher quits after primary school students threaten to behead her' QUESTION; Where do moslem children living in Australia get these ideas from ?

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1503998490/0#0

Quote:

Why has this been happening in Australia,         .....too ? A. 1/ Because all moslems are latent, wanna-be, homicidal maniacs. A. 2/ Because in their own homes moslems are teaching their own children how to be good moslems. A. 3/ Because in their own homes moslems are teaching their own children how to be followers of ISLAM.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/15#15

You need to link so we can look at dates and such on this subject. I see, on review, that your post has a date.. good.  Now what is the content?

Not saying you aren't right - or wrong - or that the things you are saying have no value - but you really need to support them for us, so we can judge fairly.

If a Christian school said that all would be good if everyone accepted Christian ideals...... would that be wrong?

Perhaps this school is talking about ideals and not about actual control by a specific religion - most religions are based on the fundamentals of doing right for self and others, and through doing right honouring oneself (odd that - animals don't do that) .. so perhaps there is some middle ground in all this religious discussion.

And BTW - it's Belfield with one 'l'.. deep in the heart of the Islamic State of Bankistan...

Christian school in Australia teaches its students that salvation can only come through Christ, Jesus.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 12:19am:

You need to link so we can look at dates and such on this subject. I see, on review, that your post has a date.. good.  Now what is the content? Not saying you aren't right - or wrong - or that the things you are saying have no value - but you really need to support them for us, so we can judge fairly. If a Christian school said that all would be good if everyone accepted Christian ideals...... would that be wrong? Perhaps this school is talking about ideals and not about actual control by a specific religion - most religions are based on the fundamentals of doing right for self and others, and through doing right honouring oneself (odd that - animals don't do that) .. so perhaps there is some middle ground in all this religious discussion. And BTW - it's Belfield with one 'l'.. deep in the heart of the Islamic State of Bankistan...

Moslem == a follower of Islam.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 12:20am:

Christian school in Australia teaches its students that salvation can only come through Christ, Jesus.

That's not the same as saying that an entire society should be run by Christians to the exclusion of everyone else, and that a system of law based on Christianity should exclude all others, who must be driven out, subjugated or destroyed in entirety unless they accept it. 

Our Christian based law accepts others, as long as they behave themselves, and doesn't place demands on them to accept Christianity unless they choose to do so.  We, as a society, accept Muslims.... the ball is now in their park to respond in the same way.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 12:24am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:20am: Christian school in Australia teaches its students that salvation can only come through Christ, Jesus. That's not the same as saying that an entire society should be run by Christians to the exclusion of everyone else, and that a system of law based on Christianity should exclude all others, who must be driven out, subjugated or destroyed in entirety unless they accept it.  Our Christian based law accepts others, as long as they behave themselves, and doesn't place demands on them to accept Christianity unless they choose to do so.  We, as a society, accept Muslims.... the ball is now in their park to respond in the same way.

Quote:

An Islamic school instructed teachers to tell students their faith should be ‘established’ across Australia.

Moslems.

Muzlims are religious fanatics to whom murder is acceptable, if infidels are the victims. The so-called "Peace" they profess to seek is nothing more than the absence of contradiction. They cannot be cleansed of this fixation by government sponsored process of re-education. Islam is the stated and quotable enemy of secularism, pluralism, and multiculturalism. Islam has to be taken head-on, and the first step is to debunk ABC, BBC, NYT journalism that pretends Muzlims are not instructed from the Koran to commit atrocities.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 12:19am:

If a Christian school said                 that all would be good if everyone accepted Christian ideals...... would that be wrong?

Grappler,

Such a comparison [you, choosing to equate Christianity with ISLAM],
is like suggesting we could interchange,       apples, and onions,
because nobody could tell any difference.

Your suggestion, is deceitful, imo.

Why so ?


Grappler,

Christian scripture does not sanction, nor encourage the murder of those who reject Christ/Christianity.

Mainstream ISLAMIC law and ISLAMIC scripture     DOES     sanction, AND encourage the murder of those who reject Allah's 'perfect' religion.


EVIDENCE.....

ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."



THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 12:19am:

You need to link so we can look at dates and such on this subject. I see, on review, that your post has a date.. good.  Now what is the content? Not saying you aren't right - or wrong - or that the things you are saying have no value - but you really need to support them for us, so we can judge fairly.

Grappler,

Thats OK.

I am sometimes willing to cater to lazy people.


Grappler,

If you had followed the link within my post, this one,

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/10/australia-islamic-school-teaches-peace-can-only-be-achieved-through-establishment-of-islam

you would have seen the link to this story.....



IMAGE....
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/05/00/450B150600000578-4950196-Teacher_manual_at_Islamic_school_Bellfield_College_in_southwest_-a-49_1507159820413.jpg

Teachers manual at Islamic school Bellfield College, in southwest Sydney,
said to tell students 'peace, stability and justice can       only       be achieved through the establishment of Islam'




Quote:

'Peace can only be achieved through the establishment of Islam': ......Muslim school told students 'secularism was the greatest enemy'     Bellfield College told teachers to tell students secularism was greatest enemy     Said peace, stability and justice only achieved through establishment of Islam..... By Nic White For Daily Mail Australia Published: 5 October 2017

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4950196/Sydney-Muslim-college-called-establishment-Islam.html

Quote:

WE'LL GO WHERE THE STORY TAKES US!!

     - Current ABC News 24 promotional material


EXCEPTION CLAUSES;
1/ Unless, the story takes us to a place which exposes the many nefarious and violent influences which the mainstream teachings of ISLAM proper, has upon the moslem psyche.

2/ Unless, the story exposes the direct influence which the mainstream teachings of ISLAM proper, has upon the many violent and deceitful practices and wrongdoings of moslems.

In that case, we at ABC NEWS24 will absolutely 'kill' the reporting of that story,
coz we don't want to upset the feelings of anyone in the Australian moslem community.

.....you'd have to believe!




Quote:

'Peace can      only       be achieved through the establishment of Islam': ......Muslim school told students 'secularism was the greatest enemy'     Bellfield College told teachers to tell students secularism was greatest enemy     Said peace, stability and justice only achieved through establishment of Islam.....

Google


Where is 'our' ABC News 24, on this story ?

It is shameful, imo, that the MSM in Australia, will not give national prominence to a news item like this !

Once again, ISLAM, militant ISLAM, in Australia,     gets the 'PASS', from the MSM in Australia.




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An absolute classic parody, on Western MSM, and on the absurd pronouncements,
of all of the 'so called' 'experts' on ISLAM, within all Western nations....


Refusing to Name the Enemy in the War on Terror
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpM8qk3t52A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpM8qk3t52A




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Militant, hateful, Koran verses.

Verses, from what is acknowledged to be ISLAM's principle source of 'spiritual guidance', to the moslem, to every moslem.


"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101


"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


Fight against, Allah's enemies.....

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76


Fight against, Allah's enemies.....
"Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask thee for no exemption from fighting...And Allah knoweth well those who do their duty."
Koran 9.44




Hatred for those who are not moslems.....
.....because, they are not moslems.

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 003.028


"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1


"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 004.144


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."
Koran 9.111




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Q.
Why are our political and societal leaders in the West, simply allowing the moslems who live among us,
to get away with        ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY,       for the many nefarious influences which the teachings of ISLAM proper, has upon 'the body moslem' ?

Well it worked for the Christians when they got here 200 odd years ago.

Jasin wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

Well it worked for the Christians when they got here 200 odd years ago.

Really.
The country was taken over by Christians was it? :D :D :D :D :D
I don't recall even any Christian Missionaries coming here en masse.

The English started a penal colony here...  I suspect many were not what one would consider good Christians even. :D

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 12:20am:

Christian school in Australia teaches its students that salvation can only come through Christ, Jesus.

Oh dear.
As a Muslim (so you say) you have no real idea about Christianity do you?

Salvation through Christ...  belief in Him and His teachings and the fact he died for us all so we can be saved Sunshine is not the same thing now is it?
Oh right...  YOU don't know.

Quote:

The Bible specifically says, without any other possible interpretation, that there is only one God, one faith, one baptism, and one way to God the Father – and that is only through His Son Jesus Christ and His sacrificial death on the cross.     Jesus says that He, and only He, is the way, the truth, and the life leading to God the Father and that no one comes to the Father except through Him!

meanwhile back on TOPIC...
that sort of messages and indoctrination of young Muslims has been going on forever.
The Islamic Youth Movement (70s onwards), now underground... used to talk to terrorists, and make statements like they should never be friends with the kafir and that they were as pure spring water and the kafir sewage.  We being the kafir.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 12:20am:

Christian school in Australia teaches its students that salvation can only come through Christ, Jesus.

The difference fool, is that Jesus preached love and charity.

Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder.

But what woukd younexpect muhellmutt was a sociopath, a self confessed pedophile, a murderer, a lying sick retard who said hevwatched the sun set into a muddy hole.

This spawn of the devil should have been put down at birth, he has done more damage to the world than Hitler, Musolini, Bush, and all thebother despots combined.
This creature sired by a sow inseminated by a twisted retard, is nothing less that the devils seed.

And muzzos follow him with fanatical passion because they have IQs far below normal humans.

Grendel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

meanwhile back on TOPIC... that sort of messages and indoctrination of young Muslims has been going on forever. The Islamic Youth Movement (70s onwards), now underground... used to talk to terrorists, and make statements like they should never be friends with the kafir and that they were as pure spring water and the kafir sewage. We being the kafir.

Yep.

And the religious authority for that particular recommended 'attitude', towards non-moslems,
comes straight out of ISLAM's 'playbook', THE KORAN.

examples cited here....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1507384837/8#8



Yet very few, among those in authority in our societies today, will deem to acknowledge that truth.

Q.
Why so ?

A.
Because, from childhood, for many of us, we learn [believe], that truth does not always serve us.
[i.e. we know, and learn that truth does not, will not, serve us, in seeking to achieve our desires in this life.   ....therefore many of us develop a 'natural' inclination, to hate truth.]



And we see that...

So many, among those who seek high public office, are 'low' and very base people.

Ever has it been so.



We, as spirit beings, do have a 'higher' calling.

But so many of us, simply choose to 'go native' here!



Isaiah 65:12
Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.


Isaiah 66:4
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.




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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
- George Orwell            [even if this quote is mis-attributed to Orwell, the pursuit of truth remains a great virtue]


"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
- George Orwell


There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to  keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation.
- Herbert Spencer


"There are two ways to be fooled [deceived].
One way is to believe what is not true.
The other is to refuse to accept what is true."
- Soren Kierkegaard


OCCULT, from the Latin verb, "Occultare",
meaning "to hide", "to conceal", "to keep secret", HIDDEN.


"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
- Voltaire


The blind and fundamental error, of those who worship, within the temple of Political Correctness....

Quote:

"If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error."

  - J.S. Mill - English philosopher - on people who try to silence opinions with which they disagree


James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Churchill had an interesting take on Islam/Muslims...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-88DcjKcD4Ko/VT--7fhWJkI/AAAAAAAABy0/RepN6evozfU/s1600/Winston%2BChurchill.Islam.jpg

Churchill had interesting takes on everything.

Grendel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 11:52am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:20am: Christian school in Australia teaches its students that salvation can only come through Christ, Jesus. Oh dear. As a Muslim (so you say) you have no real idea about Christianity do you? Salvation through Christ...  belief in Him and His teachings and the fact he died for us all so we can be saved Sunshine is not the same thing now is it? Oh right...  YOU don't know.

Same thing, Grendel. Islam and Christianity are both proselytising religions. Each tell their followers to go out and multiply - to become fishers of men.

I can't see how this is sedition, but that's just me.

Is sedition even a crime?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 11:15am:

Is sedition even a crime?

It was in Oliver Cromwell's time. I think Yadda and Herbie are trying to bring it back.

They're yet to understand that they'll be the first to be charged if it is, but that's okay too.

Herbie will do his two years and write his own Mein Kampf. The rest, as they say, will be history.

In the fullness of time.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 12:32am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:24am: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:20am: Christian school in Australia teaches its students that salvation can only come through Christ, Jesus. That's not the same as saying that an entire society should be run by Christians to the exclusion of everyone else, and that a system of law based on Christianity should exclude all others, who must be driven out, subjugated or destroyed in entirety unless they accept it.  Our Christian based law accepts others, as long as they behave themselves, and doesn't place demands on them to accept Christianity unless they choose to do so.  We, as a society, accept Muslims.... the ball is now in their park to respond in the same way. Quote: An Islamic school instructed teachers to tell students their faith should be ‘established’ across Australia. Moslems.

And that secularism is the greatest enemy. You left that bit out Karnal.

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 12:03pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:32am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:24am: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:20am: Christian school in Australia teaches its students that salvation can only come through Christ, Jesus. That's not the same as saying that an entire society should be run by Christians to the exclusion of everyone else, and that a system of law based on Christianity should exclude all others, who must be driven out, subjugated or destroyed in entirety unless they accept it.  Our Christian based law accepts others, as long as they behave themselves, and doesn't place demands on them to accept Christianity unless they choose to do so.  We, as a society, accept Muslims.... the ball is now in their park to respond in the same way. Quote: An Islamic school instructed teachers to tell students their faith should be ‘established’ across Australia. Moslems. And that secularism is the greatest enemy. You left that bit out Karnal.

Like banning Christmas and prayer in schools?

Google: taqiyya.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 10:32am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 11:52am: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:20am: Christian school in Australia teaches its students that salvation can only come through Christ, Jesus. Oh dear. As a Muslim (so you say) you have no real idea about Christianity do you? Salvation through Christ...  belief in Him and His teachings and the fact he died for us all so we can be saved Sunshine is not the same thing now is it? Oh right...  YOU don't know. Same thing, Grendel. Islam and Christianity are both proselytising religions. Each tell their followers to go out and multiply - to become fishers of men. I can't see how this is sedition, but that's just me.

I cant see where I mentioned sedition TROLL...  can you... Sorry, your understanding of Salvation and Christianity is so poor though. ::)

Grendel wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 9:42am:

Churchill had an interesting take on Islam/Muslims... http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-88DcjKcD4Ko/VT--7fhWJkI/AAAAAAAABy0/RepN6evozfU/s1600/Winston%2BChurchill.Islam.jpg

So many people have warned us of the evils of the DEVILS CULT.

But we did not listen, or at least the idioots in power refuse to listen.

http://i.pinimg.com/736x/66/d6/7d/66d67d87f7b1b49a7f385d379c9fb710--muslim-religion-no-religion.jpg

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 3:27pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 12:03pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:32am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:24am: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:20am: Christian school in Australia teaches its students that salvation can only come through Christ, Jesus. That's not the same as saying that an entire society should be run by Christians to the exclusion of everyone else, and that a system of law based on Christianity should exclude all others, who must be driven out, subjugated or destroyed in entirety unless they accept it.  Our Christian based law accepts others, as long as they behave themselves, and doesn't place demands on them to accept Christianity unless they choose to do so.  We, as a society, accept Muslims.... the ball is now in their park to respond in the same way. Quote: An Islamic school instructed teachers to tell students their faith should be ‘established’ across Australia. Moslems. And that secularism is the greatest enemy. You left that bit out Karnal. Like banning Christmas and prayer in schools? Google: taqiyya.

Are you going to disappear into your own gibberish again Karnal?

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 6:53pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 3:27pm: freediver wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 12:03pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:32am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:24am: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:20am: Christian school in Australia teaches its students that salvation can only come through Christ, Jesus. That's not the same as saying that an entire society should be run by Christians to the exclusion of everyone else, and that a system of law based on Christianity should exclude all others, who must be driven out, subjugated or destroyed in entirety unless they accept it.  Our Christian based law accepts others, as long as they behave themselves, and doesn't place demands on them to accept Christianity unless they choose to do so.  We, as a society, accept Muslims.... the ball is now in their park to respond in the same way. Quote: An Islamic school instructed teachers to tell students their faith should be ‘established’ across Australia. Moslems. And that secularism is the greatest enemy. You left that bit out Karnal. Like banning Christmas and prayer in schools? Google: taqiyya. Are you going to disappear into your own gibberish again Karnal?

No speaks da English, eh? I'll ask you again.

Do you mean banning Christmas, prayer in schools and crucifixes on food packages?

That's a question. Ask me to clarify if you like.

I am not the one who said it Karnal. Go ahead. Post more gibberish.

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:16pm:

I am not the one who said it Karnal. Go ahead. Post more gibberish.

Yes ~ more 'gibberish', please.

Don't hold back.

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:16pm:

I am not the one who said it Karnal. Go ahead. Post more gibberish.

No worries. What do you think of those who want to ban the teaching of evolution in schools? How about banning planned parenthood? Euthenasia? Gay marriage?

Let me know if you'd like a translation, FD.

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 6:53pm:

Are you going to disappear into your own gibberish again Karnal?

Yes ~ 'gibberish', like I've had to put up from him for most on my time on this board.

It's like having someone barfing in your thread in order to close down adult conversation on the various topics because he feels he's not in control.

Skating on thin-ice, methinks.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:32pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 8:16pm: I am not the one who said it Karnal. Go ahead. Post more gibberish. Yes ~ more 'gibberish', please. Don't hold back.

Sure. What do you think about taxpayer funding for the incomes of immigrants?

Perhaps you could translate this one for Herbie, FD. He seems a bit tongue-tied.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:34pm:

Let me know if you'd like a translation, FD.

Cute.

Very cute.

On thin ice.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:37pm:

Sure. What do you think about taxpayer funding for the incomes of immigrants? Perhaps you could translate this one for Herbie, FD. He seems a bit tongue-tied.

More gibberish.

You need to take a rest ... maybe get someone to make you a cup of tea. Dilmah of course.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:37pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 8:34pm: Let me know if you'd like a translation, FD. Cute. Very cute. On thin ice.

Do you understand the question, Herbie?

I'll reword it if you like.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 6:53pm: Are you going to disappear into your own gibberish again Karnal? Yes ~ 'gibberish', like I've had to put up from him for most on my time on this board. It's like having someone barfing in your thread in order to close down adult conversation on the various topics because he feels he's not in control. Skating on thin-ice, methinks.

Sounds like Herb wants to ban people instead of answering questions, FD.

Freeeeeedom, innit.

Gibberish.

Maybe even the sort that comes out of a bottle.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 9^th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

Gibberish. Maybe even the sort that comes out of a bottle.

I'll try again, Herb. What do you think about people who come to this country and go on the dole?

Is this a hard one?

Gibberish.

No speaka da English.

You started this, FD. Cunning, no?

Get back on topic will you Karnal...  I know its difficult for you but you should try occasionally to be on topic.

Notice his panic?

Valkie wrote on Oct 8^th, 2017 at 4:37pm:

Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder.

Ah.

Have you and Sprint converted to Islam?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 11:33am:

Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam?

Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow.

Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them...

freediver wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 12:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow. Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them...

According to which Muslims?

freediver wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 12:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow. Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them...

... But if they make peace, provide them with refuge.

You see, FD? Easy. Just tell the truth.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow. Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them... According to which Muslims?

According to Mohammed and Allah.


greggery,

Was Mohammed ['the messenger of Allah'],        a        moslem ?


Google;
Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them



.



ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."



THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260



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"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101


"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29



ARGUMENT;
For those who would argue that those Koran verses are an anachronism,       ....and that Koran verses do not reflect or guide, the intent of the moslem community, here in Australia, today,             .....I would offer, that the Koran is, and always has been, ~the~ most important source of religious authority for ISLAMIC religious leaders, and ~the~ most important source of religious instruction, for every moslem.    [and moslems themselves will openly attest to this fact]

Any person who would suggest other than that, is either ignorant, OR, is being deliberately deceitful.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow. Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them... ... But if they make peace, provide them with refuge. You see, FD? Easy. Just tell the truth.

Don't you mean if they submit?

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow. Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them... But if they make peace, provide them with refuge.....

....rape their women,           and murder their men.





THIS WAS MOHAMMED'S EXAMPLE

---------- >


Quote:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger" = = Mohammed was in the company of these men. "on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women" = = it was some form of raiding party, where they, 'took captive some excellent Arab women'. "and we desired them" = = hmmmm, i wonder what that means? "for we were suffering from the absence of our wives" = = ah, in the absence they wives, they desired these women for sex, to satisfy their sexual lust. "(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them." = = in their minds, they sought to sexually 'use' these captive Arab women, and then let their menfolk redeem them. "So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them" = = yep, Allah's finest, sought to sexually 'use' these 'excellent' captive Arab women.

Those [above] extracts from the Hadith are cited, with references, here;

Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8


Q.
Why did Mohammed believe that he was permitted to behave in this was towards captive women ?

A.
In ISLAMIC law, ALL captive non-moslem women, are considered to be war booty [i.e. 'lawful' rape candidates, available to be used for the pleasure of moslem men]...


"..Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:..."
Koran 4.22-24

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee;..."
Koran 33.50




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MOSLEM 'YOUTH' IN AUSTRALIA FOLLOWING MOHAMMED'S EXAMPLE

---------- >

An example, of how moslems will typically 'help' any 'needy' kuffar......


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-09/police-say-two-girls-gang-raped-at-fairfield/5377134?section=nsw
2014-04-09

Quote:

Two schoolgirls gang-raped at Fairfield after meeting three men on Sydney train, police say By police reporter Lucy Carter Updated 1 hour 18 minutes ago Two schoolgirls have been gang-raped by three men in broad daylight in Sydney's south west, police say, and there are fears the men could strike again. According to police, the girls, both 16, skipped school in the Blacktown area to go shopping at Castle Hill. ....Superintendent Peter Lennon says they asked three men for directions and were told they would be shown to a bus terminal. "The girls were lost, they were trying to get some help," Superintendent Lennon said. "Unfortunately they were coaxed by these young men into coming to Fairfield - way, way off track of where they wanted to go." ......Superintendent Lennon the men had been described as being of "Middle Eastern Mediterranean" appearance. The first male is described as being aged between 19 and 21 with a dark complexion, about 178cm tall, and with a thin build and dark hair.

Karnal,

According to            ISLAMIC law           those moslem 'youth', who raped two Australian schoolgirls did nothing wrong, they did nothing unlawful.

Grendel wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 1:54pm: freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow. Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them... ... But if they make peace, provide them with refuge. You see, FD? Easy. Just tell the truth. Don't you mean if the submit?

I'm not sure, Grendel. FD's read chapter 9, let's ask him.

FD, does it say to kill the Mushriken if they don't submit?

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 2:58pm:

FD, does it say to kill the Mushriken if they don't submit?

Karnal,

Mainstream       ISLAMIC law         calls on moslems
to keep themselves apart from disbelievers,
and to condemn them,
and to MURDER them.



Google;
divisions of the world, according to islam


Google;
ISLAM divides the world, into the House of Islam and the House of War



ISLAMIC 'religious' doctrine, divides the world into two distinct camps.


DIVISIONS OF THE WORLD, ACCORDING TO ISLAM,

Dar al-Islam = = the house of Islam, the house of Peace, the house of Submission [those places where Sharia has authority].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_al-Islam#Dar_al-Islam


Dar al-Harb = = "house of war", those countries where Sharia is subservient, to the laws of men.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_al-Islam#Dar_al-Harb



Dar al-Harb = =
the place where the authority of ISLAMIC law is rejected,
the place where moslems have to concede, to disbelievers, their 'rightful' authority to rule,
the place where moslems are subject to the 'unjust' laws of the disbelievers who rule,
the place of          moslem HUMILIATION        before disbelievers,
the "house of war"




The moslem who is living in Australia, regards EVERY disbeliever [i.e. every Australian] as a 'Harbi'.

And what is a 'Harbi' ?


Harbi = = "one under a declaration of war"

A Harbi, is a non-moslem,      WHO [through choice] IS NOT UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF MOSLEM/ISLAMIC LAW.


A Harbi, is an enemy of Allah.

".........A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi


Google;
A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live.

That's a no from Y. Thanks, Y.

What say you, FD?

Harbis




Quote:

Saturday, 31 August 2013 Australian Muslim leader calls for murder of Buddhists Muslim cleric in Australia: "Oh Allah, count the Buddhists and the Hindus one by one. Oh Allah, count them and kill them to the very last one." Hate speech and genocide Islam divides people into two antagonistic groups - Muslims (collectively known as the Ummah) versus Kaffirs (aka Kufr, Kuffars, Infidels or non-believers). Kaffirs are subdivided further - Jews and Christians who accept the supremacy of Islam are known as Dhimmis, and are allowed to live as second-class citizens, provided they pay the extortionate Jizya (infidel tax) to their Muslim masters. The state of being a submissive Dhimmi is known as Dhimmitude. Buddhists, Pagans and members of all other 'non-Abrahamic' religions, together with secularists, and those Jews and Christians who do not accept Muslim domination, are regarded as Harbis - targets of war.

http://seanrobsville.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/australian-muslim-leader-calls-for.html

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

That's a no from Y. Thanks, Y. What say you, FD?

Still not listening yet, are ya, K.       :D

Klosed mind.





Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 2:58pm:

FD, does it say to kill the Mushriken if they don't submit?

Yes.

Koran chapter 9.





ONCE MORE, WITH FEELING,            .....JUST FOR KARNAL.

Koran chapter 9



Quote:

Buddhists as Harbis Buddhists have always been favorite targets because: (1) The Koran (Surah 9, ayah 5) commands that polytheists and idolaters should be murdered wherever they are found. Buddhist statues and icons provided the perfect excuse for a bloodbath. Modern Muslims continue to believe that since Buddhists are not monotheists they must be forced to convert to Islam or be killed......

http://seanrobsville.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/australian-muslim-leader-calls-for.html

You're quoting someone's blog, Y. FD was talking about the Koran. Chapter 9, verse 5, to be precise, which states this:


Quote:

But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Then this:


Quote:

And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.

FD knows this chapter well. You might like to read it yourself, Y.

Repent what?
Establish prayer to whom?
Pay how much to whom for what reason?

Grendel wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 4:54pm:

Repent what? Establish prayer to whom? Pay how much to whom for what reason?

You might like to read chapter 9, Grendel, and stop wasting our time.

It's an interesting discussion on dealing with enemies in a time of war.

Why It's in a spiritual text, I have no idea. FD might be able to tell us.

Chapter 9 is entirely devoted to encouraging Muslims to slaughter the infidel:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469837313


greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow. Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them... According to which Muslims?

According to all of them.


Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

You're quoting someone's blog, Y. FD was talking about the Koran. Chapter 9, verse 5, to be precise, which states this: Quote: But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

You realise this is saying to stop slaughtering the infidel when they convert to Islam, don't you Karnal?

FD, have you actually read the chapter? It answers your question.

Now stop wasting Grendel's time.

Yes. Chapter 9 is entirely devoted to encouraging Muslims to slaughter the infidel:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469837313

Why don't you read it?

That's a question.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow. Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them... ... But if they make peace surrender and make obeisance and accept permanent second class citizenship, provide them with refuge. You see, FD? Easy. Just tell the truth.

Tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.. so help you Allah.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 10:13pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 1:54pm: freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow.  Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them... ... But if they make peace surrender and make obeisance and accept permanent second class citizenship, provide them with refuge. You see, FD? Easy. Just tell the truth. Tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.. so help you Allah.

Cutting bits out of the Koran, are we?

Is this how to do it, FD?

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 11:01pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 10:13pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 1:54pm: freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow.  Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them... ... But if they make peace surrender and make obeisance and accept permanent second class citizenship, provide them with refuge. You see, FD? Easy. Just tell the truth. Tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.. so help you Allah. Cutting bits out of the Koran, are we? Is this how to do it, FD?

Why not?

I tear pages out every day to usevas toilet paper

Its a shame they use such rough paper though, how about a push for softer pages, more soft on my tush.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10^th, 2017 at 2:58pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 2:49pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 1:54pm: freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow. Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them... ... But if they make peace, provide them with refuge. You see, FD? Easy. Just tell the truth. Don't you mean if the submit? I'm not sure, Grendel. FD's read chapter 9, let's ask him. FD, does it say to kill the Mushriken if they don't submit?

Apparently karnal doesn't know what he's talking about...  who'd have thunk it eh... :D :D :D

https://s25.postimg.org/pvcmc5qgv/22308738_1312968442146642_7414770572670051359_n.jpg

Yes, allowing muslims to indoctrinate kids in this country will lead us down the rocky path to them taking over..........GB is a prime example........

Valkie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 4:16am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:01pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 10:13pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 1:54pm: freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow.  Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them... ... But if they make peace surrender and make obeisance and accept permanent second class citizenship, provide them with refuge. You see, FD? Easy. Just tell the truth. Tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.. so help you Allah. Cutting bits out of the Koran, are we? Is this how to do it, FD? Why not? I tear pages out every day to use as toilet paper

Good-oh.

Don't forget to wipe your chin, old boy.

Grendel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 8:40am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 2:58pm: Grendel wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 2:49pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 1:54pm: freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow. Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them... ... But if they make peace, provide them with refuge. You see, FD? Easy. Just tell the truth. Don't you mean if the submit? I'm not sure, Grendel. FD's read chapter 9, let's ask him. FD, does it say to kill the Mushriken if they don't submit? Apparently karnal doesn't know what he's talking about...  who'd have thunk it eh... :D :D :D

I've read verse 5. In addition, I've read 6 & 7. I find it helps to read the whole thing, but that's just me.

If you don't, you see passages like, kill the Mushriken wherever you find them, but you miss the next sentence where it says to offer them refuge if they're nice to you. If you don't read the following verses after this, you miss the explanation why.

Matty disagrees. He'd rather wipe his bottom than read the books he's talking about, and that's his right in a free society.

FD would rather quote certain parts and omit others. He assumes his audience won't read a few verses, and he's right. Most would rather wipe their bottoms than have a peek at what they're discussing.

You?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

Valkie wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 4:16am: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:01pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 10:13pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 1:54pm: freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow.  Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them... ... But if they make peace surrender and make obeisance and accept permanent second class citizenship, provide them with refuge. You see, FD? Easy. Just tell the truth. Tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.. so help you Allah. Cutting bits out of the Koran, are we? Is this how to do it, FD? Why not? I tear pages out every day to use as toilet paper Good-oh. Don't forget to wipe your chin, old boy.

Miam miam.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:40am: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 2:58pm: Grendel wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 2:49pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 1:54pm: freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow. Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them... ... But if they make peace, provide them with refuge. You see, FD? Easy. Just tell the truth. Don't you mean if the submit? I'm not sure, Grendel. FD's read chapter 9, let's ask him. FD, does it say to kill the Mushriken if they don't submit? Apparently karnal doesn't know what he's talking about...  who'd have thunk it eh... :D :D :D I've read verse 5. In addition, I've read 6 & 7. I find it helps to read the whole thing, but that's just me. If you don't, you see passages like, kill the Mushriken wherever you find them, but you miss the next sentence where it says to offer them refuge if they're nice to you. If you don't read the following verses after this, you miss the explanation why. Matty disagrees. He'd rather wipe his bottom than read the books he's talking about, and that's his right in a free society. FD would rather quote certain parts and omit others. He assumes his audience won't read a few verses, and he's right. Most would rather wipe their bottoms than have a peek at what they're discussing. You?

Have you read the whole chapter? The entire thing is about slaughtering the infidel.

Don't you think it is a little absurd to expect non-Muslims to try to end the slaughter by being nice to the people doing the slaughtering and converting to Islam rather than defending themselves? Why do you defend this nonsense?

Are you asking if I'm defending the Koran, FD, or if I'm defending your porkies?

I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think.

If it's the former, I find the discussion on offering refuge and demanding donations lacking. However, I'm not sure why the rules of war are included in the Koran at all.

At no point does the Koran give followers free-rein to go out and kill people. At the very least, you can understand from reading these verses that the Koran does not encourage its followers to kill believers, but that's just what ISIS and assorted terrorists do.

You can see from your own quotes that what Islamist terrorists do is against the rules. No Muslim can defend it.

Now you should know by now, FD, that I'm completely amoral. I'm a hideous spineless jellyfish, an Islamic blowfly. If you're a Muslim, good - be the best Muslim you can be. Pray, have faith, give charity, fast, visit Mecca. If you believe in freedom, that's good too. Promote freedom for all - freedom of trade, movement, speech. Practice John Stuart Mill's maxim: do what you want, as long as it doesn't bother anyone else. Be honest. Debate, discuss, answer questions. Get involved.

And if you believe in the supremacy of the white race, be the best racist you can be. Promote ethnic and racial division. Promote the virtues of the white race. Spread propaganda about the tinted races and their apologists. Don't cower behind a mask of liberalism, be proud of your racism. Be honest and up-front.

I'm happy to support whoever people want to be, FD, I just think they should stick to their principles.

But that's just me.

You?

@ Karnal and Reply #71



Moslems and Karnal disagree with the       arguments       which i posted here;
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0


I also presented some evidences, in support of my arguments.

But Karnal and moslems seem unwilling to address the implication of those evidences.



Moslems and persons like Karnal,        instead, persist with barefaced denials, and with barefaced lies.

They are shameless.




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"ISLAM ES PAZ"


IMAGE.....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/pow/islam-es-paz.jpg

And pigs might fly - in Barcelona.


Everyone knows that true ISLAM, is a religion of peace.

/sarc off



.




IMAGE...
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg


THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST, 2006, IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

Quote:

If it's the former, I find the discussion on offering refuge and demanding donations lacking. However, I'm not sure why the rules of war are included in the Koran at all.

Because Muhammad turned into a warmonger as soon as he was in a position to do so, and he needed some convenient revelations to encourage his followers to slaughter the infidel on his behalf.


Quote:

At no point does the Koran give followers free-rein to go out and kill people.

Like you said, there are many caveats, such as if they convert to Islam, you can't kill them. Unless of course they change their mind.


Quote:

If you're a Muslim, good - be the best Muslim you can be. Pray, have faith, give charity, fast, visit Mecca.

According to the Koran, the best Muslim you can be is one who kills and dies in the name of Allah.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:40am: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 2:58pm: Grendel wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 2:49pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 1:54pm: freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:33am: Valkie wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 4:37pm: Muzzos preach death, destruction and murder. Ah. Have you and Sprint converted to Islam? Muhammad killed, destroyed and murdered. According to Muslims and the Koran, he is the best example for all mankind to follow. Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them... ... But if they make peace, provide them with refuge. You see, FD? Easy. Just tell the truth. Don't you mean if the submit? I'm not sure, Grendel. FD's read chapter 9, let's ask him. FD, does it say to kill the Mushriken if they don't submit? Apparently karnal doesn't know what he's talking about...  who'd have thunk it eh... :D :D :D I've read verse 5. In addition, I've read 6 & 7. I find it helps to read the whole thing, but that's just me. If you don't, you see passages like, kill the Mushriken wherever you find them, but you miss the next sentence where it says to offer them refuge if they're nice to you. If you don't read the following verses after this, you miss the explanation why. Matty disagrees. He'd rather wipe his bottom than read the books he's talking about, and that's his right in a free society. FD would rather quote certain parts and omit others. He assumes his audience won't read a few verses, and he's right. Most would rather wipe their bottoms than have a peek at what they're discussing. You?

Hey
YOU SAID AND I QUOTE...

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I'm not sure, Grendel. FD's read chapter 9, let's ask him.

So are you still not sure or are you still being just a TROLL? :D :D :D :D :D

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 11^th, 2017 at 9:56am:

https://s25.postimg.org/pvcmc5qgv/22308738_1312968442146642_7414770572670051359_n.jpg Yes, allowing muslims to indoctrinate kids in this country will lead us down the rocky path to them taking over..........GB is a prime example........

This is mostly bullshit, pure and simple.  It is Islamophobia writ large.   ::) ::)

Muslim Invasion: Claims UK Overrun by Muslim Minority - Mostly Fiction!

Oh, I'm pretty sure, Grendel.

Read FD's post above for clarity.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 9:00pm:

Oh, I'm pretty sure, Grendel. Read FD's post above for clarity.

You made the comment karnal...  you trying to deny it now? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 9:04pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 9:00pm: Oh, I'm pretty sure, Grendel. Read FD's post above for clarity. You made the comment karnal...  you trying to deny it now? ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's confidential, dear.

FD won't say.

Where's bwian when you need a YAWN

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 5:23pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:56am: https://s25.postimg.org/pvcmc5qgv/22308738_1312968442146642_7414770572670051359_n.jpg Yes, allowing muslims to indoctrinate kids in this country will lead us down the rocky path to them taking over..........GB is a prime example........ This is mostly bullshit, pure and simple.  It is Islamophobia writ large.   ::) ::) Muslim Invasion: Claims UK Overrun by Muslim Minority - Mostly Fiction!

So
Let me get this right bwyannnnnnnnnnnnn

Its OK to indoctrinate muzzo youth and trurn them into terrorists?????

You have really lost it turd.

Even if, and that's a HUGE IF, thevare some moderate muzzos who are not wired for death, destruction and murder.
You advocate turning them into radicals????

Thats done it turd
You have been watching far too many ISIS videos.

Valkie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 2:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 5:23pm: Fuzzball wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:56am: https://s25.postimg.org/pvcmc5qgv/22308738_1312968442146642_7414770572670051359_n.jpg Yes, allowing muslims to indoctrinate kids in this country will lead us down the rocky path to them taking over..........GB is a prime example........ This is mostly bullshit, pure and simple.  It is Islamophobia writ large.   ::) ::) Muslim Invasion: Claims UK Overrun by Muslim Minority - Mostly Fiction! So Let me get this right bwyannnnnnnnnnnnn Its OK to indoctrinate muzzo youth and trurn them into terrorists????? You have really lost it turd. Even if, and that's a HUGE IF, thevare some moderate muzzos who are not wired for death, destruction and murder. You advocate turning them into radicals???? Thats done it turd You have been watching far too many ISIS videos.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, only Valkie's Islamophobia could allow him to turn an article critical of Islamophobia into a positive for Islamophobia.    ::) ::)

Bwian has nothing to add as usual.
I remember telling bwian a decade or so ago about the Islamic Youth Movement and their opinions...  I remember him denying what I said, even though it was there  for all to see on the NET.

Tsk, tsk, tsk bwian....

Any problems with Multiculti...
"Oh that's just a Sydney problem"

Tsk, tsk tsk Bwian...