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But don’t worry; the science is settled!  :D “Global warming is a non-problem…I say this to Obama: Excuse me, Mr. President, but you’re wrong. Dead wrong.” (Dr. Ivar Giaever, Nobel-Prize winner in physics) “The computer models just weren’t reliable. In fact, I’m not sure the whole thing isn’t crazy,  :D this climate change.” (Green Guru James Lovelock, who once predicted imminent destruction of the planet via global warming) I’ve written a number of articles proving the global warming science is far from “settled.” I’ve also written about the political agenda behind climate change. It is stark: All nations will be ordered (if treaties are signed) to REDUCE THEIR OVERALL ENERGY PRODUCTION BY A DISASTROUS AMOUNT. Therefore, the output of carbon dioxide would be cut, and, we are told, “the planet could be saved.”  :D But no replacement of carbon-based fuels with solar, wind, and other popular alternative sources could possibly, given present technology, make up the difference and stave off the catastrophe stemming from a major cut in planetary energy production. National economies would falter, poverty would deepen, chaos would expand, and in the ensuing crisis, the (Globalist) forces of order would move in and “solve the problem.” Also known as: a takeover of all major institutions of government, worldwide. Now have a new scandal erupting, on top of a whole pile of prior scientific frauds. As The Daily Caller reports: “Australian scientists at the Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) ordered a review of temperature recording instruments after the government agency was caught tampering with temperature logs in several locations.” “Agency officials admit that the problem with instruments recording low temperatures likely happened in several locations throughout Australia, but they refuse to admit to manipulating temperature readings. The BOM located missing logs in Goulburn and the Snow Mountains, both of which are in New South Wales.” Let’s be clear. The missing and altered temperature readings actually indicated lower-than-normal temperatures which, if reported, would weaken the assertion that Australia is getting hotter. The Daily Caller continues: “BOM [Australian Bureau of Meteorology] has been put under the microscope before for similar manipulations. The agency was accused in 2014 of tampering with the country’s temperature record to make it appear as if temperatures had warmed over the decades, according to reports in August 2014.” “ [Biologist and former director of the environmental unit at the Australian Institute of Public Affairs, Jennifer] Marohasey claimed at the time that BOM’s adjusted temperature records are ‘propaganda’ and not science. She analyzed raw temperature data from places across Australia, compared them to BOM data, and found the agency’s data created an artificial warming trend.” “Marohasey said BOM adjustments changed Aussie temperature records from a slight cooling trend to one of ‘dramatic warming’ over the past century.” But don’t worry. The science is settled. There must be no reasoned debate about the subject. Just start lowering the energy outputs of all countries on the planet. Certainly don’t listen to a man like Freeman Dyson, who has no mainstream credentials—except for the following: physicist and mathematician, professor emeritus at Princeton’s Institute for Advanced Study, Fellow of the Royal Society, winner of the Lorentz Medal, the Max Planck Medal, the Fermi Award. Dyson states: “What has happened in the past 10 years is that the discrepancies [in climate change models] between what’s observed and what’s predicted have become much stronger. It’s clear now the [climate change] models are wrong, but it wasn’t so clear 10 years ago… I’m 100 per cent Democrat myself, and I like Obama. But he took the wrong side on this [climate change] issue, and the Republicans took the right side…” Pay no attention to that. Shut your eyes, close your mouth, and wait for the lights to dim.  :D The people in charge are the people in charge, and if they don’t want debate, they must be right.  :D Censoring debate is always a sign that truth and justice are winning. Right? Several unhinged commentators have gone so far as to suggest jail time for scientists who deny the existence of manmade warming.  :D Marc Morano, narrator and co-writer of the documentary, Climate Hustle, asked the popular American TV host, Bill Nye “The Science Guy,” whether he thought such jail threats against scientists would have “a chilling effect” on dissent. Nye answered, “That there is a chilling effect on scientists who are in extreme doubt about climate change — I think is good.” In other words, love censorship when it silences your opponents.

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Bill Nye understands the proper method of science and research (experiment, replication, rejection, debate, questioning) the way a cockroach understands Aristotle’s treatises on logic. Make no mistake about it, we are looking at fake climate science. The purveyors don’t care about truth. They only care about owning the bully pulpit and keeping dissenters away from that pulpit. This is how official science is done. In the case of climate change, claim the planet is warming and claim the debate about the subject must be cooled until it is frozen and stored in a locker out of view. In my investigations of official science and medicine over the past 35 years, I’ve seen this strategy deployed time and time again: “The science is settled…” “The evidence is overwhelming…” “Credible researchers all agree…” This is how the press creates a fake impression of consensus. News outlets issue identical stories, inventing an echo chamber. Don’t buy in. Crack the illusion.

What a heap of crap!

The greenhouse effect has been observed both from space and from the surface.

It actually just turned out the two stations were faulty and therefore the data they were actually giving was false. Its not manipulation of data its correction of faulty instruments.

And the -10.4°C reading is still there.

The BoM has quality controls in place and will check extreme readings as they should.

Lees has kindly given us graphic evidence of the greenhouse effect causing global heating:


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Oh dear, disagreeing with your side of climate science again. "Thus  the  heat  radiation emitted by the surface, about 96Wm−2, is  157Wm−2  greater  than  the  239Wm−2  leaving  the  top  of  the  atmosphere  (equal  to  the  solar radiation absorbed) – this is a measure of ‘greenhouse  trapping’." http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wea.2072/pdf dated 2013 "the greenhouse effect has been widely used to describe the trapping of excess heat by the rising concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The carbon dioxide strongly absorbs infrared and does not allow as much of it to escape into space." http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/grnhse.html

(Post in Ice Watch thread in Environment)

And I thought Lees was a denier  ;)

NO Monk
YOU are a denier.
Thanks for the article Mechanic.  The points in it are lost on people with One-Track minds like Monk.
The way he prattles on about Green House Gases you'd think everyone denies the Greenhouse Effect.
I don't because that's why we are all not popsicles. :D :D :D

The Moronic couldn’t make a point if one was given to him.

roach is just an AGW denier, knows no science related to it (or much science at all, it seems.)

The greenhouse effect is real and is warming the world. Quibbling about a 0.4°C change of ONE reading even tho the reading is still on the BuMet website is pathetic.

roach’s latest effort was to say LIDAR, a laser altimeter used on aircraft “showed IR escaping to space” when of course it shows no such thing.

This is like on the silly ice age Youtube channel Booby follows the people say HAARP, an instrument to study the ionosphere, is being used to “warm the earth to hide the cooling” and “contrails” are now said, by the same scintillating intellects, are also being used to “hide the cooling.” This crap, 500 videos, is what Booby has spent a LOT of time watching and reading all the harebrained conspiracy theory crap the lunatics who follow Dubyne put in comments to the stupid videos.

Now, since the world is not showing any sign of cooling (except seasonal changes, summer giving way to winter) we are hearing all about the “faking the results” by scientists “in on the AGW carbon tax conspiracy” looking to keep getting “huge grants.”

Any idea what happened to the Goulburn data for 21 July?

lee wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 1:27pm:

Any idea what happened to the Goulburn data for 21 July?

Not certain, but station was more than likely broken.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 1:29pm:

lee wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 1:27pm: Any idea what happened to the Goulburn data for 21 July? Not certain, but station was more than likely broken.

But it worked the day before and the day after. How odd.

lee wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 1:29pm: lee wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 1:27pm: Any idea what happened to the Goulburn data for 21 July? Not certain, but station was more than likely broken. But it worked the day before and the day after. How odd.

Really was probably broken on that day, got fixed that day and was working again the next day. Not odd, just odd how you seem to be seeing something conspiratorial in it

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/201707/html/IDCJDW2049.201707.shtml


And its easy to see that because by about 3 pm, the wind meter was working again. But because they didnt have a full range of temperatures or rainfall, they decided it was easier just to not list them

No no it is all a KONSPEERYSIE doncha know?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 1:35pm:

Really was probably broken on that day, got fixed that day and was working again the next day. Not odd, just odd how you seem to be seeing something conspiratorial in it

Yeah. just didn't write up the fix.

http://www.bom.gov.au/clim_data/cdio/metadata/pdf/siteinfo/IDCJMD0040.070330.SiteInfo.pdf

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:

No no it is all a KONSPEERYSIE doncha know?

Actually you are the only one calling it a conspiracy. I merely asked a question. ;)

lee wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 1:58pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 1:35pm: Really was probably broken on that day, got fixed that day and was working again the next day. Not odd, just odd how you seem to be seeing something conspiratorial in it Yeah. just didn't write up the fix. http://www.bom.gov.au/clim_data/cdio/metadata/pdf/siteinfo/IDCJMD0040.070330.SiteInfo.pdf

Seriously, WTF is your issue.

Lees has a rabid fear that AGW really is here and is bad.

Funny then that in Environment/Ice Watch thread he posted two articles showing the greenhouse effect in action  ;)

See what I mean...

Grendel wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 11:45am:

NO Monk YOU are a denier. Thanks for the article Mechanic.  The points in it are lost on people with One-Track minds like Monk. The way he prattles on about Green House Gases you'd think everyone denies the Greenhouse Effect. I don't because that's why we are all not popsicles. :D :D :D

No one is denying the Greenhouse Effect Monk....  no one.  What is wrong with you? :D :D :D :D :D

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

The greenhouse effect is real and is warming the world. Quibbling about a 0.4°C change of ONE reading even tho the reading is still on the BuMet website is pathetic.

LOL.
Talk about quibbling...  you alarmists posts crap about .1 of a degree warming.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
QUIBBLE :D :D :D :D :D

Oh and Monk, here's a photo of the LIDAR being used at Davis Base... 

http://www.antarctica.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0018/171720/varieties/antarctic.jpg

Oh dear not a plane in site.
I keep telling YOU, you don't know what you are talking about, this time I saved me 1000 words. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

And???

That light in the sky must be the laser? Then the plane is above that I would say.

And it has nothing to do with AGW.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

roach’s latest effort was to say LIDAR, a laser altimeter used on aircraft “showed IR escaping to space” when of course it shows no such thing.

Wrong....  Davis is ground based LIDAR and that is not what I said and not what they proved.

I keep telling you, stop lying and posting stuff you obviously don't understand. :D :D :D :D :D

LIDAR is a laser altimeter.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 3:55pm:

That light in the sky must be the laser? Then the plane is above that I would say. And it has nothing to do with AGW.

Oh dear ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Use of LIDAR at Davis base:

http://www.antarctica.gov.au/science/climate-processes-and-change/atmospheric-processes-and-change

Still no sign of IR tho. Then again, LIDAR works with visible light, not IR. Guess roach was lying there, again.

>:(
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 4:20pm:

Use of LIDAR at Davis base: http://www.antarctica.gov.au/science/climate-processes-and-change/atmospheric-processes-and-change Still no sign of IR tho. Then again, LIDAR works with visible light, not IR. Guess roach was lying there, again.

" science rules " lol

Monk feel that hole in the back of your head? That was where thunder just struck you down for telling lies and you haven't registered the pain yet- we are entering an ice age- Bobby for  environment board mod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, an ice age.

One where temperatures climb inexorably.


;D ;D ;D

Look, if we were to go into a “Grand Solar Minimum” aka Maunder Minimum temperatures would drop like 0.5°C maximum then resume climbing.

The Dubyne videos are rubbish, he just follows cold weather around the globe. No science, lies, exaggerations and cherry picking.

Dubyne is such a numpty with regards to climate that he made a big point about icebergs and later dense icefloes floating past Newfoundland and Nova Scotia “lots of Arctic ice” he raved. No, David you Very Nice Person that was ice that used to be on Greenland.

A fox fell through thin ice and was “flash frozen” according to liar Dubyne. Under the ice was water, water is above 0°C and so could not have frozen the fox in 100 years.

We edge ever closer to Big Brother


Look at what is happening to energy production in this Country...it is shrinking under an assault from solar panels and windmills and similar crap which produces bugger all compared to coal

Then we have the power prices skyrocketing so fast that a new underclass who can't afford to heat their homes has been created

Malcolm Turnbull has a lot to answer for...a BLOODY LOT!

Most of the price rises are due to privatisation of the networks—and coal!

I am buying a generator soon, reckon the chance of blackout this summer is pretty high: the networks can’t handle a real load.

We need to seriously move to nuclear and soon!

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 4:20pm:

Use of LIDAR at Davis base: http://www.antarctica.gov.au/science/climate-processes-and-change/atmospheric-processes-and-change Still no sign of IR tho. Then again, LIDAR works with visible light, not IR. Guess roach was lying there, again.

Oh dear more crap.
Stop wasting my time Monk.
If you are clueless then best you say nothing then.
I suggest you go to the ABC site find the Catalyst Episode and learn something.
better than making crap up about what I've said and what the scientists say :D :D :D :D :D

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 4:35pm:

Most of the price rises are due to privatisation of the networks—and coal! I am buying a generator soon, reckon the chance of blackout this summer is pretty high: the networks can’t handle a real load. We need to seriously move to nuclear and soon!

I am going one better- using solar genrators and as the sun is free-wont cost me anything but the price of my generators

Privatisation - greedy assholes- Perth have a fraction of the cost of elec due to the non privatisation

Grendel wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:20pm: Use of LIDAR at Davis base: http://www.antarctica.gov.au/science/climate-processes-and-change/atmospheric-processes-and-change Still no sign of IR tho. Then again, LIDAR works with visible light, not IR. Guess roach was lying there, again. Oh dear more crap. Stop wasting my time Monk. If you are clueless then best you say nothing then. I suggest you go to the ABC site find the Catalyst Episode and learn something. better than making crap up about what I've said and what the scientists say :D :D :D :D :D

So, how does LIDAR show photons streaming out to space, in numbers that balance the heat emitted at the surface?

I think you are talking 100% crap.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 4:00pm:

LIDAR is a laser altimeter.

LOL


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The Davis LIDAR is currently one of only three such instruments capable of retrieving temperatures in the mesosphere (the region between 50 km and about 95 km) from the southern hemisphere. Northern hemisphere measurements have suggested that a general cooling is taking place in the mesosphere and stratosphere (15 km to 50 km altitude), but little published data currently exists regarding trends at southern latitudes.

LOL, just an altimeter... :D :D :D :D :D

Agnes wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:35pm: Most of the price rises are due to privatisation of the networks—and coal! I am buying a generator soon, reckon the chance of blackout this summer is pretty high: the networks can’t handle a real load. We need to seriously move to nuclear and soon! I am going one better- using solar genrators and as the sun is free-wont cost me anything but the price of my generators Privatisation - greedy assholes- Perth have a fraction of the cost of elec due to the non privatisation

OH LOL Mr Wannabe Environmental Board Mod wants to use dirty generator fuels as a alternative to mains elec- so much for the love of and care for the environment   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Agnes wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 4:25pm:

>:( Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:20pm: Use of LIDAR at Davis base: http://www.antarctica.gov.au/science/climate-processes-and-change/atmospheric-processes-and-change Still no sign of IR tho. Then again, LIDAR works with visible light, not IR. Guess roach was lying there, again. " science rules " lol Monk feel that hole in the back of your head? That was where thunder just struck you down for telling lies and you haven't registered the pain yet- we are entering an ice age- Bobby for  environment board mod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Agnes,
by the way - there is some very cold weather coming up in the next 7 days.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:00pm:

Agnes wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:25pm: >:( Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:20pm: Use of LIDAR at Davis base: http://www.antarctica.gov.au/science/climate-processes-and-change/atmospheric-processes-and-change Still no sign of IR tho. Then again, LIDAR works with visible light, not IR. Guess roach was lying there, again. " science rules " lol Monk feel that hole in the back of your head? That was where thunder just struck you down for telling lies and you haven't registered the pain yet- we are entering an ice age- Bobby for  environment board mod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Agnes, by the way - there is some very cold weather coming up in the next 7 days.

Indeed Bobby- and it has been very cold the last 3 days as well- have broken out hot chocolate and bed socks again-

Grendel wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:00pm: LIDAR is a laser altimeter. LOL Quote: The Davis LIDAR is currently one of only three such instruments capable of retrieving temperatures in the mesosphere (the region between 50 km and about 95 km) from the southern hemisphere. Northern hemisphere measurements have suggested that a general cooling is taking place in the mesosphere and stratosphere (15 km to 50 km altitude), but little published data currently exists regarding trends at southern latitudes. LOL, just an altimeter... :D :D :D :D :D

Yeah, it is. Funny that the upper atmosphere is cooling—no it isn’t, less IR reaches it.

Agnes wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 4:25pm:

>:( Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:20pm: Use of LIDAR at Davis base: http://www.antarctica.gov.au/science/climate-processes-and-change/atmospheric-processes-and-change Still no sign of IR tho. Then again, LIDAR works with visible light, not IR. Guess roach was lying there, again. " science rules " lol Monk feel that hole in the back of your head? That was where thunder just struck you down for telling lies and you haven't registered the pain yet- we are entering an ice age- Bobby for  environment board mod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wishing won’t make it so, Agmes.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:00pm: LIDAR is a laser altimeter. LOL Quote: The Davis LIDAR is currently one of only three such instruments capable of retrieving temperatures in the mesosphere (the region between 50 km and about 95 km) from the southern hemisphere. Northern hemisphere measurements have suggested that a general cooling is taking place in the mesosphere and stratosphere (15 km to 50 km altitude), but little published data currently exists regarding trends at southern latitudes. LOL, just an altimeter... :D :D :D :D :D Yeah, it is. Funny that the upper atmosphere is cooling—no it isn’t, less IR reaches it.

1 You are clueless
2 You cant read
3 You refuse to read
4 You are clueless
5 You don't understand what you read or lie about it
6 You are clueless.

Stop wasting my time...
BTW Balloons and planes cant reach there  :D :D :D :D :D

Agnes wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:00pm: Agnes wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:25pm: >:( Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:20pm: Use of LIDAR at Davis base: http://www.antarctica.gov.au/science/climate-processes-and-change/atmospheric-processes-and-change Still no sign of IR tho. Then again, LIDAR works with visible light, not IR. Guess roach was lying there, again. " science rules " lol Monk feel that hole in the back of your head? That was where thunder just struck you down for telling lies and you haven't registered the pain yet- we are entering an ice age- Bobby for  environment board mod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Agnes, by the way - there is some very cold weather coming up in the next 7 days. Indeed Bobby- and it has been very cold the last 3 days as well- have broken out hot chocolate and bed socks again-

Hi Agnes,
the weather forecast on ABC 2 TV said that Wednesday was the coldest August day in 22 years.

Alpine areas are expecting blizzard conditions:


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Strong winds are expected to sweep across Victoria this weekend, prompting a blizzard warning for the state's alpine areas and forecasts of up to 100 centimetres of snow. Two cold fronts were expected to cross the state, one overnight Friday and another stronger one overnight on Saturday, said Scott Williams, a senior forecaster on the extreme weather desk at the Bureau of Meteorology (BoM). Both systems will bring cold and blustery conditions to the state. "Through the weekend, but mainly with this second front, we're expecting up to one metre of fresh snowfall combined with winds gusting 90–110kph up in those Alpine areas, and very poor visibility," Mr Williams said. "That basically constitutes blizzard conditions. "[The Alpine resorts] have got a base now of 75-80cm so this will be a real dump. It'll be the largest, most significant snowfall of the season." , but gusts of 70–90kph are expected and it is forecast to remain windy until Monday.

http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/blizzard-warning-for-victorian-alps-as-state-braces-for-windy-weekend-weather/526668

These extreme cold conditions were all predicted by
people such as David DuByne.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2017 at 8:46pm:

What a heap of crap! The greenhouse effect has been observed both from space and from the surface.

Ditto

The strategies of climate change deniers never ceases to AMAZE !

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:14pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 8:46pm: What a heap of crap! The greenhouse effect has been observed both from space and from the surface. Ditto The strategies of climate change deniers never ceases to AMAZE !

Then why is it so damn cold?

Its winter.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:17pm:

Its winter.

But has it ever been this cold in winter?

It seems like the coldest winter I've ever experienced in Melbourne.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:17pm:

Its winter.

  can't get anything past you guv-

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:16pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:14pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 8:46pm: What a heap of crap! The greenhouse effect has been observed both from space and from the surface. Ditto The strategies of climate change deniers never ceases to AMAZE ! Then why is it so damn cold?

It's NOT
You're just getting older

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-01/australia-records-hottest-july-on-record-bom-says/8762560

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:17pm: Its winter. But has it ever been this cold in winter? It seems like the coldest winter I've ever experienced in Melbourne.

Its strange Bobby- winter out in outback SA has been unseasonally warm weather this year- a few days of over 25 even and it is usually our coldest time- was so glad to see August give us a bit more cold- and I have heard it is very very cold over NSW- enjoy it

Agnes wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:19pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:17pm: Its winter. But has it ever been this cold in winter? It seems like the coldest winter I've ever experienced in Melbourne. Its strange Bobby- winter out in outback SA has been unseasonally warm weather this year- a few days of over 25 even and it is usually our coldest time- was so glad to see August give us a bit more cold- and I have heard it is very very cold over NSW- enjoy it

There have been countless frosts where I live in the outer East of Melbourne.
There has also been thick fog.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:17pm: Its winter. But has it ever been this cold in winter? It seems like the coldest winter I've ever experienced in Melbourne.

Garbage. You are just trying to make the ice age as preached by Dubyne come true  ;)

HM money have you given Dubyne, Booby?

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:16pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:14pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 8:46pm: What a heap of crap! The greenhouse effect has been observed both from space and from the surface. Ditto The strategies of climate change deniers never ceases to AMAZE ! Then why is it so damn cold? It's NOT You're just getting older http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-01/australia-records-hottest-july-on-record-bom-says/8762560

Does it mention Melbourne?

Agnes wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:19pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:17pm: Its winter. But has it ever been this cold in winter? It seems like the coldest winter I've ever experienced in Melbourne. Its strange Bobby- winter out in outback SA has been unseasonally warm weather this year- a few days of over 25 even and it is usually our coldest time- was so glad to see August give us a bit more cold- and I have heard it is very very cold over NSW- enjoy it

Wow - Melbourne has been colder than fridge every night for months.
It's been below zero every night for weeks in many areas.

If this is the coldest winter - then I'm Ye-Grappler's uncle!

I'm still in shorts and t-shirt while walking my dogs with a southerly blowing.

This summer was extremely hot.
But this Winter has been like a mild spring.
Days are warm and sunny with only cold at 4am to 6am and at dusk.

I haven't had a decent 'real' Winter in over 10 years.
There is the odd 'cold day', but overall - its been pretty piss-poor with Jack Frost.
Even in the Antarctic they have had a mild winter.

I am thinking—if next year is an El Nino year the temperatures reached are going to be something else.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:26pm:

Agnes wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:22pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:19pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:17pm: Its winter. But has it ever been this cold in winter? It seems like the coldest winter I've ever experienced in Melbourne. Its strange Bobby- winter out in outback SA has been unseasonally warm weather this year- a few days of over 25 even and it is usually our coldest time- was so glad to see August give us a bit more cold- and I have heard it is very very cold over NSW- enjoy it Wow - Melbourne has been colder than fridge every night for months. It's been below zero every night for weeks in many areas.

There is no ice age no matter how much you try to breath life into it, Booby.

So, HM money have you given Dubyne?

Jasin wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:26pm:

If this is the coldest winter - then I'm Ye-Grappler's uncle! I'm still in shorts and t-shirt while walking my dogs with a southerly blowing. This summer was extremely hot. But this Winter has been like a mild spring. Days are warm and sunny with only cold at 4am to 6am and at dusk. I haven't had a decent 'real' Winter in over 10 years. There is the odd 'cold day', but overall - its been pretty piss-poor with Jack Frost. Even in the Antarctic they have had a mild winter.

Are you in SA Jasinner ? Because it feels just like that to me as well

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:16pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:14pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 8:46pm: What a heap of crap! The greenhouse effect has been observed both from space and from the surface. Ditto The strategies of climate change deniers never ceases to AMAZE ! Then why is it so damn cold? It's NOT You're just getting older http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-01/australia-records-hottest-july-on-record-bom-says/8762560

...and you STILL can't get it through your head - that average GLOBAL temperatures are measured GLOBALLY

Not just in one state - in one country - at the arse end of this planet

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:33pm:

...and you STILL can't get it through your head - that average GLOBAL temperatures are measured GLOBALLY Not just in one state - in one country - at the arse end of this planet

The number of times I have tried to tell the idiot that. Too much time watching a snake oil salesman talk absolute bullshit about climate.

Agnes wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:29pm:

Jasin wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 5:26pm: If this is the coldest winter - then I'm Ye-Grappler's uncle! I'm still in shorts and t-shirt while walking my dogs with a southerly blowing. This summer was extremely hot. But this Winter has been like a mild spring. Days are warm and sunny with only cold at 4am to 6am and at dusk. I haven't had a decent 'real' Winter in over 10 years. There is the odd 'cold day', but overall - its been pretty piss-poor with Jack Frost. Even in the Antarctic they have had a mild winter. Are you in SA Jasinner ? Because it feels just like that to me as well

No. I'm along the southern NSW coast.
I've been to SA heaps. Love it and especially the Eyre Peninsula.

I have to say Bobby. It's not another 'Ice Age', more like a 'Fire Age' and going by what I've learned.
The 'era' that Homo Sapiens have evolved in has been during an 'abnormal' very low temperature period and now - the World's weather is climbing back up to the NORMAL temperature.
Sure, 'maybe' we are helping things along with Pollution.
But I'm sure its also just an excuse for Humans to justify their control and manipulation of the weather in the future.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 4:00pm: LIDAR is a laser altimeter. LOL Quote: The Davis LIDAR is currently one of only three such instruments capable of retrieving temperatures in the mesosphere (the region between 50 km and about 95 km) from the southern hemisphere. Northern hemisphere measurements have suggested that a general cooling is taking place in the mesosphere and stratosphere (15 km to 50 km altitude), but little published data currently exists regarding trends at southern latitudes. LOL, just an altimeter... :D :D :D :D :D Yeah, it is. Funny that the upper atmosphere is cooling—no it isn’t, less IR reaches it.

So less IR doesn't cause cooling, why then does more IR cause heating? ;)

You are babbling again, Lees.

My understanding is that you can have cycles of hot or cold weather in any given  cycle- hot or cold a warm winter doesnt not global warming make- nor does it make  globaling cooling- but if I had to choose between the two I go with cooling- for the good of the world and because I believe it to be so- climate change is not man made as far as I am concerned and we are not headed for disaster - the seas will only rise by something like 20% if all the ice melts we wont lose much of the available land for habitation even if that happens- but it will force us to live in harmony wether we like it or not

Jasin wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 5:26pm:

If this is the coldest winter - then I'm Ye-Grappler's uncle! I'm still in shorts and t-shirt while walking my dogs with a southerly blowing. This summer was extremely hot. But this Winter has been like a mild spring. Days are warm and sunny with only cold at 4am to 6am and at dusk. I haven't had a decent 'real' Winter in over 10 years. There is the odd 'cold day', but overall - its been pretty piss-poor with Jack Frost. Even in the Antarctic they have had a mild winter.

... and we've past mid-winter up here - without a snow fall
Unlike every year since I moved here

Agnes wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 6:04pm:

My understanding is that you can have cycles of hot or cold weather in any given  cycle- hot or cold a warm winter doesnt not global warming make- nor does it make  globaling cooling- but if I had to choose between the two I go with cooling- for the good of the world and because I believe it to be so- climate change is not man made as far as I am concerned and we are not headed for disaster - the seas will only rise by something like 20% if all the ice melts we wont lose much of the available land for habitation even if that happens- but it will force us to live in harmony wether we like it or not

Not just icemelt raising sea levels, the seas heating up causes them to expand. I think sea level rise is going to cause uncountable amounts of damage and loss to coastal cities, ports, coastal agricultural infrastructure and so on.

And, unlike an ice age I think this will happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbiRNT_gWUQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6CPsGanO_U

3000m deep ice on Greenland, more ice on Antarctica (the western part of which has started sliding into the sea) and more ice in the Himalayan ice sheet. And the two charlies forgot about the expansion of the oceans.

Remember Hurricane Sandy? Flooded the New York subway. If the world had not warmed by 1.1°C since 1850 sea level would have been less and the storm surge caused by Sandy would not have reached inland as far and in the volume it actually did.

So even if sea level rise itself would not actually cause flooding by itself it would cause storm surges to be higher and flood further inland in higher amounts of sea water.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 7:14pm:

Remember Hurricane Sandy?

Yep. It was merely a storm when it crossed the coast.


Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 7:14pm:

If the world had not warmed by 1.1°C since 1850 sea level would have been less and the storm surge caused by Sandy would not have reached inland as far and in the volume it actually did.

So give us the expansion rate of sea water for 1.1°C. Of course you know the paucity of data means those figures are probably wildly inaccurate?

You do know storms release a lot of water? And subways by their very nature are underground? Just like a big drain. They even have access points in the roads.

Still babbling Lees.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Still babbling Lees.

Thank you. Confirms my belief that you don't think things through.

You babbling means you haven’t thought things through.

Remember how sea level rise recently accelerated due to meltwater from Greenland? The article about sea level rises off the east coast of the US?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 7:01pm:

Agnes wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 6:04pm: My understanding is that you can have cycles of hot or cold weather in any given  cycle- hot or cold a warm winter doesnt not global warming make- nor does it make  globaling cooling- but if I had to choose between the two I go with cooling- for the good of the world and because I believe it to be so- climate change is not man made as far as I am concerned and we are not headed for disaster - the seas will only rise by something like 20% if all the ice melts we wont lose much of the available land for habitation even if that happens- but it will force us to live in harmony wether we like it or not Not just icemelt raising sea levels, the seas heating up causes them to expand. I think sea level rise is going to cause uncountable amounts of damage and loss to coastal cities, ports, coastal agricultural infrastructure and so on. And, unlike an ice age I think this will happen.

we are going to lose most of the big coastal cities- Shanghia-Beijing- Hong kong- Tokyo ( not sure) and most Indian cities ( they all need a good flushing lol) and most Asian coastal cities - a lot of the coastal cities in the US- and in Europe-

The great thing is the management of the rising seas and dis located populations will start long before they get to a critical level- man will adapt to this situation- things will change drasticlally but we will manage all the challenges that come our way because they will happen gradually- the planet will heat up but I dont believe it will become so bad that we will be living in a furnace- ice can only melt once

Agnes wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 8:48pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 7:01pm: Agnes wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 6:04pm: My understanding is that you can have cycles of hot or cold weather in any given  cycle- hot or cold a warm winter doesnt not global warming make- nor does it make  globaling cooling- but if I had to choose between the two I go with cooling- for the good of the world and because I believe it to be so- climate change is not man made as far as I am concerned and we are not headed for disaster - the seas will only rise by something like 20% if all the ice melts we wont lose much of the available land for habitation even if that happens- but it will force us to live in harmony wether we like it or not Not just icemelt raising sea levels, the seas heating up causes them to expand. I think sea level rise is going to cause uncountable amounts of damage and loss to coastal cities, ports, coastal agricultural infrastructure and so on. And, unlike an ice age I think this will happen. we are going to lose most of the big coastal cities- Shanghia-Beijing- Hong kong- Tokyo ( not sure) and most Indian cities ( they all need a good flushing lol) and most Asian coastal cities - a lot of the coastal cities in the US- and in Europe- The great thing is the management of the rising seas and dis located populations will start long before they get to a critical level- man will adapt to this situation- things will change drasticlally but we will manage all the challenges that come our way because they will happen gradually- the planet will heat up but I dont believe it will become so bad that we will be living in a furnace- ice can only melt once - maybe we will enter a period of  cooling and if so these things wont be a problem- yes I am having a bet either way

You read the denialist crap Lees, roach, Booby & The Moronic post. I don’t share your belief we will act in time.

Some real discussion of sea level rise:

https://sealevel.nasa.gov/

Look at the figures for iceloss from Greenland (nearly 300Gtons—and Booby thinks we are in an ice age  ;)  ) and Antarctica 127Gtons net loss. Sobering reading.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 8:51pm:

You read the denialist crap Lees, roach, Booby & The Moronic post. I don’t share your belief we will act in time.

Of course we will- in plenty of time- we can send a man to the moon- build robots etc- we already know how to relocate to higher ground - and plant more crops- etc- it all comes to brain power and practicality-


Now when you are a true climate enthusiast you will realise Jehova Monk that solar is the way to save the world- so get a solar genarator and start producing free clean energy- live your truth

We should have started in 1900 or 1906 when Arrhenius showed water vapor and CO2 were greenhouse gases.

Agnes wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 8:51pm: You read the denialist crap Lees, roach, Booby & The Moronic post. I don’t share your belief we will act in time. Of course we will- in plenty of time- we can send a man to the moon- build robots etc- we already know how to relocate to higher ground - and plant more crops- etc- it all comes to brain power and practicality- Now when you are a true climate enthusiast you will realise Jehova Monk that solar is the way to save the world- so get a solar generator and start producing free clean energy- live your truth

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 10:28pm:

We should have started in 1900 or 1906 when Arrhenius showed water vapor and CO2 were greenhouse gases.

omg defeatist or what- ? shoulda woulda coulda !

https://youtu.be/VUfARQaVWsI

50 years with a business on the water.
;)

Wouldn't melting ice lower sea temperatures?

Agnes wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 10:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 10:28pm: We should have started in 1900 or 1906 when Arrhenius showed water vapor and CO2 were greenhouse gases. omg defeatist or what- ? shoulda woulda coulda !

We will get on top of it but the cost in lives and money will be huge. I am actually an optimist but the easy way is no longer open to us.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 9:35pm:

Some real discussion of sea level rise:

Is that using satellite altimeters with a native resolution of about 35mm?

"In this second part of our story, we pick up with the new spacecraft having completed a successful launch, its orbital insertion and calibration phase, and now producing sea level data accurate to 3.5-cm while flying more than 800 miles up, circling the planet in low-Earth orbit."

http://www.americaspace.com/2016/11/03/jason-3-critical-to-understanding-rising-sea-levels-interview-with-project-scientist-josh-willis-part-2/



Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 9:35pm:

and Antarctica 127Gtons net loss.

Link

The threat of rising seas in Tokyo ( pop of city 38 million) already being taken care of- there are many who are preparing for this event- see video in link- fascinating

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/4112766.htm



Quote:

Fifty metres beneath the teeming megacity of Tokyo is an underworld river system - 6.4km of tunnels, colossal water tanks, massive pillars, giant pumps that remove 200 tonnes of floodwater every second. It’s an engineering marvel built to protect Tokyo against the increasing threat of flooding.

And Holland has dykes to defend against incursions by the sea. Do you know what the Netherlands govt plan for major sea level rise is? Move the entire population into Germany.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/qwx5euy5n7vdrkn/Current%20Sea%20levels%202017.JPG

original here-

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

I guess it must have cooled recently, or the ice melt failed.

Nothing as noisy as the weather record.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 11:09pm:

And Holland has dykes to defend against incursions by the sea. Do you know what the Netherlands govt plan for major sea level rise is? Move the entire population into Germany.

It has always been below SL you twat.

Who could forget this little email gem from one Kevin Trenberth...(Climate Scientist....lol)

"The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate. "


When the data doesn't fit the narrative...why...just change the data.

Monk didn't know about Holland and dykes?
For goodness sake :D

Life on Ocean-Earth has had to face extinction due to global change, many times.

Now it's humanity's turn.


Mind you. The concept of the 'End of the World' is a very 'Western' one.
They entered North America because the 'Old World' was doomed.
They are at the 'end' of the International Dateline.
So now, we are having another 'End of the World' moment - so 'Western' society and behaviour is playing fiddle...
...Earth is Ruined, lets fly to Mars, etc.

"Runaway Mr West, runaway"

Rider wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 6:36am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 11:09pm: And Holland has dykes to defend against incursions by the sea. Do you know what the Netherlands govt plan for major sea level rise is? Move the entire population into Germany. It has always been below SL you twat.

I was born there so yes I know about most of Holland being below sea level thank you. But AGW is causing sea levels to rise:

1. The warming of the oceans causing them to expand

2. Melting of land based ice, esp Greenland but with Antarctica now adding to net ice loss

Can’t just keep making the dykes higher and so eventually Holland will lose its battle with the sea.

The world is just trying to get back to its NORMAL weather level, let alone 'heal' itself form Humanity's deforestation.

Just because Humanity evolved during a period of very low Temp.

---

There is nothing happening today that hasn't happened before in our history.

AGW is a storm in a tea cup, that the oligarchy created to tax us on the air we breathe.

That's how farken greedy these cants are, they even want us to pay for the air we breathe.

Ajax wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

There is nothing happening today that hasn't happened before in our history. AGW is a storm in a tea cup, that the oligarchy created to tax us on the air we breathe. That's how farken greedy these cants are, they even want us to pay for the air we breathe.

Funny you say that AJAX,
because Papua New Guinea has approached the U.N about getting paid to 'keep its trees' in regards to providing the World with 'Fresh Air', etc.

Jasin wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 10:06am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 9:59am: There is nothing happening today that hasn't happened before in our history. AGW is a storm in a tea cup, that the oligarchy created to tax us on the air we breathe. That's how farken greedy these cants are, they even want us to pay for the air we breathe. Funny you say that AJAX, because Papua New Guinea has approached the U.N about getting paid to 'keep its trees' in regards to providing the World with 'Fresh Air', etc.

Everyone wants on the gravy train, this is how third world countries will get their share, and we through an ETS taxing the air we breathe will provide the money for this to happen.

If anyone thinks that the Earth is in serious trouble because of man's emissions of CO2 and that the only way we can ALL be saved is to create a $2 + trillion dollar carbon derivatives market per annum on the stock exchange, well then the tooth fairy must be real............!

Ajax wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

There is nothing happening today that hasn't happened before in our history. AGW is a storm in a tea cup, that the oligarchy created to tax us on the air we breathe. That's how farken greedy these cants are, they even want us to pay for the air we breathe.

Except with the sun as bright as it is CO2 needs to be lower and we are increasing it.

When people use words like “oligarchy created to tax us on the air we breathe” you know the person is facing the reality of needing to change and that scares them.

We are no longer in the precambrian facing a new sun emitting relatively little light. The sun is now much brighter than back then. That is why that (inaccurate) chart of temperatures is totally irrelevant.

Greenland is melting, Antarctica is adding 127Gtons of net ice loss a year and you charlies think we can just go on as we are? A complete inability to face up to the consequences of our own actions out of cowardice.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 9:59am: There is nothing happening today that hasn't happened before in our history. AGW is a storm in a tea cup, that the oligarchy created to tax us on the air we breathe. That's how farken greedy these cants are, they even want us to pay for the air we breathe. Except with the sun as bright as it is CO2 needs to be lower and we are increasing it. When people use words like “oligarchy created to tax us on the air we breathe” you know the person is facing the reality of needing to change and that scares them. We are no longer in the precambrian facing a new sun emitting relatively little light. The sun is now much brighter than back then. That is why that (inaccurate) chart of temperatures is totally irrelevant. Greenland is melting, Antarctica is adding 127Gtons of net ice loss a year and you charlies think we can just go on as we are? A complete inability to face up to the consequences of our own actions out of cowardice.

The Sun probably seems 'brighter' - because the Atmosphere has probably 'THINNED'.
Yep - we are probably running out of AIR too.
But that one is something no-one would want to raise the alarm to.  :P

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 9:59am: There is nothing happening today that hasn't happened before in our history. AGW is a storm in a tea cup, that the oligarchy created to tax us on the air we breathe. That's how farken greedy these cants are, they even want us to pay for the air we breathe. Except with the sun as bright as it is CO2 needs to be lower and we are increasing it. When people use words like “oligarchy created to tax us on the air we breathe” you know the person is facing the reality of needing to change and that scares them. We are no longer in the precambrian facing a new sun emitting relatively little light. The sun is now much brighter than back then. That is why that (inaccurate) chart of temperatures is totally irrelevant. Greenland is melting, Antarctica is adding 127Gtons of net ice loss a year and you charlies think we can just go on as we are? A complete inability to face up to the consequences of our own actions out of cowardice.

http://i63.tinypic.com/jhfucp.jpg

Poor JM. Doesn't understand Global Dimming and Global Brightening.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 11:26pm:

Nothing as noisy as the weather record.

Yeah. Except when it supports your meme. ;)

The sun gives us much more irradiance—TSI—than it did around the precambrian–Cambrian. That is why the world could have much higher CO2 concentrations back those hundreds of millions of years ago without killing off life.

But now, with the TSI we now get increasing CO2 is causing the globe to heat.

Greenland is adding nearly 300Gtons of ice to the seas, Antarctica is adding 127Gtons a year and that will increase.

Only cowards can’t face those facts.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 1:12pm:

The sun gives us much more irradiance—TSI—than it did around the precambrian–Cambrian. That is why the world could have much higher CO2 concentrations back those hundreds of millions of years ago without killing off life. But now, with the TSI we now get increasing CO2 is causing the globe to heat. Greenland is adding nearly 300Gtons of ice to the seas, Antarctica is adding 127Gtons a year and that will increase. Only cowards can’t face those facts.

Show me where in all of our climate history has CO2 controlled temperature..............???

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 1:12pm:

Antarctica is adding 127Gtons a yea

Link please

Doesn't the ice cool the seas?

Link is up ^^^^ a few posts ago.

Yes, I imagine a big melt would cause ocean cooling.

So would a big El Nino which sends heat out the oceans into the atmosphere.

lee wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 1:20pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 1:12pm: Antarctica is adding 127Gtons a yea Link please Doesn't the ice cool the seas?

Yes, temporarily, and the ice changes phase aswell leaving entropy forever increasing but this time at an increased rate!

Time is bad, mmmmmmmmK! Increasing rates of change is even worse, mmmmmmmmK!

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 1:12pm:

The sun gives us much more irradiance—TSI—than it did around the precambrian–Cambrian. That is why the world could have much higher CO2 concentrations back those hundreds of millions of years ago without killing off life. But now, with the TSI we now get increasing CO2 is causing the globe to heat. Greenland is adding nearly 300Gtons of ice to the seas, Antarctica is adding 127Gtons a year and that will increase. Only cowards can’t face those facts.

Yet the Sun has been at the same temperature for at least 4.5-5 BILLION years... time to face the facts :D

Got a link for that astounding statement, roach?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 2:47pm:

Got a link for that astounding statement, roach?

Not on me, but its true.
Got something to back up your statement?
No?

So you have no link? Thought as much.

I have a link to support my statement about TSI over geological time:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1491514221;start=38;action=threadpagetext;reversetopic=0

I expect you to come back and say “Bullshit!” because real science  goes right over your pointy head.

you've got to give it to JM- he tries    [smiley=lolk.gif]

I READ, Agmes! I don’t watch stupid YouTubes created by snake oil salesmen!

Reality—the ultimate trip!

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 1:41pm:

Link is up ^^^^ a few posts ago.

You mean that generic nasa one? Sorry. I'm not going to trawl their site.

No, you might see a bit more reality than you can cope with.

But just look up the thread a bit.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 3:13pm:

I READ, Agmes! I don’t watch stupid YouTubes created by snake oil salesmen! Reality—the ultimate trip!

whatever jovial soused- better sources and a genuine interest might help immensely-your mom is ready with his booby- dinner time

Nice ad hom, Agmes!

I read science not crap! I recommend—reality!

Agnes wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 3:13pm: I READ, Agmes! I don’t watch stupid YouTubes created by snake oil salesmen! Reality—the ultimate trip! whatever jovial soused- better sources and a genuine interest might help immensely-your mom is ready with his booby- dinner time

Quote:

whatever jovial soused- better sources and a genuine interest might help immensely-your mom is ready with his booby- dinner time

I think I know who is soused, eh, Agmes?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 3:18pm:

Quote: whatever jovial soused- better sources and a genuine interest might help immensely-your mom is ready with his booby- dinner time I think I know who is soused, eh, Agmes?

No the agmes thing doesnt work anymore- and LOL you didnt deny old hitlers boob is all you live for these days

Well I can take Ajax and Jovial Monk seriously for their inputs.
Bobby on the other hand is a disciple of It_is_the_Light and his anal probing. Sorry Bobby.

I have limited knowledge in Environmental/Weather situations and my habit of ignoring the small details for the bigger 'overall' picture kinda has its drawbacks.

I sometimes wonder though, that Humanity is a part of nature and thus, we are doing exactly what we should be doing - mistakes n' all. Because sometimes 'mistakes' are needed to be made for the greater good.

We are in a 'mistake' era. A real learning curve.

So the teenager has done some drugs and alcohol and has his/her head down a toilet at the moment.

But all will be good.
No need to panic and follow NASA and its running away to new worlds that may have life as escapism from the responsibility of making this a better world.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 4^th, 2017 at 9:35pm:

Some real discussion of sea level rise: https://sealevel.nasa.gov/ Look at the figures for iceloss from Greenland (nearly 300Gtons—and Booby thinks we are in an ice age  ;)  ) and Antarctica 127Gtons net loss. Sobering reading.

I'm not into mind reading, but there is no reference on that page.

Poor little Lees.

poor soused JM- drunk on hitler milk- it is rotting your brain monkey  ;)

Put the bottle down, Agmes!

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 3:32pm:

Poor little Lees.

I think you're just making sch!t up again. ;)

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 3:50pm:

Put the bottle down, Agmes!

no prizes for 2nd - aint nothing more poisonous than hitler milk

lee wrote on Aug 5^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 5th, 2017 at 3:32pm: Poor little Lees. I think you're just making sch!t up again. ;)

monk hits the sauce this time of day lee- best step over him