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Message started by mothra on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm

Title: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by mothra on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm
Gillian Triggs: Australian government 'ideologically opposed to human rights'

In her last week as human rights commissioner, Triggs says human rights are ‘regressing on almost every front’

Gillian Triggs has accused the Australian government of being “ideologically opposed to human rights”, saying Australia’s human rights are “regressing on almost every front”.

Triggs has used the last week of her tenure as human rights commissioner to say human rights in Australia were going backwards for almost all relevant groups. “Whether it’s women, Indigenous, homeless and most of course asylum seekers and refugees,” she told ABC Radio National on Wednesday morning.

Triggs said the Coalition government held some responsibility for the regression. “I think it’s partly because we have a government that is ideologically opposed to human rights,” she said.

“Mr Abbott, when he campaigned for government, one of those campaign platforms was the elimination of the Australian Human Rights Commission. So in that sense it was part of the platform and it’s been maintained pretty well ever since.”

Triggs also blamed the slipping of human rights in Australia on the lack of a legal protection of rights – a bill of rights – that would ensure governments could not act counter to human rights.

“Unlike almost every other comparable country Australia has no bill of rights against which government policies can be benchmarked,” Triggs said.

“As there is no bill of rights, the courts are very very hamstrung in standing up for human rights.”

She said the fear of terrorism was being exploited to centralise government power “giving ministers really unprecedented power without the supervision of the court.”

She said Australia had produced more counterterrorism legislation than North America and Europe, and since there was no bill of rights in Australia, those measures were not necessarily consistent with fundamental human rights.

Her time in the role was marked by fierce clashes with the Coalition government. She dismissed claims that she acted in a partisan way, instead blaming the government for framing issues that way.

“Firstly I categorically reject any suggestion that we acted in a political way,” she said.

“There is no doubt at all however that rather than take on the substantive factual and legal points that we were making the government decided it was better to attack us on political grounds,” she said.

“I do of course accept that that was the perception created not only by government members but by a major newspaper in Australia.”

She said she had no regrets and was very proud of what the Human Rights Commission achieved under her leadership, with a “miniscule” budget of just $14m.

“I believe we have done a terrific job. We have stuck to the facts. We know the facts are right. We know the law is right. We are very proud that. I think there are no regrets and I very much hope that in the future the commission can continue to be fearless in standing up for the rights of Australians.”


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/26/gillian-triggs-australian-government-ideologically-opposed-to-human-rights

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by salad in on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:00pm
Gillian Triggs no less. Wow.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by BigOl64 on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:06pm


Since we have never had more than one or two, I don't see what the stupid moll is on about.


Everything you deluded cretins think is one of our 'human rights' is actually a government controlled, like 'free speech for instance, (yes I get the irony of this post too) privilege or obligation. So don't be all whiney when they get removed or you lose something you used to have.


The exception is religious scum have pretty much a right to do what ever their religion tells them to and that is some pretty sick sh1t, for sure.






Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by AugCaesarustus on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:12pm

mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
“Unlike almost every other comparable country Australia has no bill of rights against which government policies can be benchmarked,” Triggs said.


That's right because Australia's political system is based on the tradition of 'parliamentary supremacy', which means that the Parliament is supreme above anything else. The Judiciary cannot dictate to the Parliament what it can and can't do.


mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
“As there is no bill of rights, the courts are very very hamstrung in standing up for human rights.”


The last thing we want is the High Court ruling on human rights. They've already whipped one right out of thin air; if we have a bill of rights, then they'll go out of control. Just look at the US Supreme Court.


Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by BigOl64 on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:14pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
“Unlike almost every other comparable country Australia has no bill of rights against which government policies can be benchmarked,” Triggs said.


That's right because Australia's political system is based on the tradition of 'parliamentary supremacy', which means that the Parliament is supreme above anything else. The Judiciary cannot dictate to the Parliament what it can and can't do.


mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
“As there is no bill of rights, the courts are very very hamstrung in standing up for human rights.”


The last thing we want is the High Court ruling on human rights. They've already whipped one right out of thin air; if we have a bill of rights, then they'll go out of control. Just look at the US Supreme Court.



So privileges and obligations it is then.


It helps that people are too fkken stupid to realise they are being fkked by the government, so easy peasy.



Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by AugCaesarustus on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:18pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:14pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
“Unlike almost every other comparable country Australia has no bill of rights against which government policies can be benchmarked,” Triggs said.


That's right because Australia's political system is based on the tradition of 'parliamentary supremacy', which means that the Parliament is supreme above anything else. The Judiciary cannot dictate to the Parliament what it can and can't do.


mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
“As there is no bill of rights, the courts are very very hamstrung in standing up for human rights.”


The last thing we want is the High Court ruling on human rights. They've already whipped one right out of thin air; if we have a bill of rights, then they'll go out of control. Just look at the US Supreme Court.



So privileges and obligations it is then.


It helps that people are too fkken stupid to realise they are being fkked by the government, so easy peasy.


Oh yes, BigOl, because I'm feeling so oppressed by the Ausralian Government.....

Oh my.....

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Gordon on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:20pm
How can you live with yourself living in such an oppressive country?

If Australia is so bad, why don't you piss off with your mate Yassmin and go live in KSA which is such an enlightened progressive place.  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Valkie on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:21pm
We have the right to allow who we want and stop those we dont want.

No 1 on the list of dont want......muzzos

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by AugCaesarustus on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:22pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
How can you live with yourself living in such an oppressive country?

If Australia is so bad, why don't you piss off with your mate Yassmin and go live in KSA which is such an enlightened progressive place.  ;D ;D ;D


I was being sarcastic.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Gordon on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:28pm

Auggie wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:22pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
How can you live with yourself living in such an oppressive country?

If Australia is so bad, why don't you piss off with your mate Yassmin and go live in KSA which is such an enlightened progressive place.  ;D ;D ;D


I was being sarcastic.


Directed at the author of the OP, or the OP if they feel so deeply about it :)

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Kat on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:47pm
And once again, Triggs nails it.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:01pm

mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
Gillian Triggs: Australian government 'ideologically opposed to human rights'

In her last week as human rights commissioner, Triggs says human rights are ‘regressing on almost every front’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/26/gillian-triggs-australian-government-ideologically-opposed-to-human-rights


Yes, of course it is. That's why this government has significantly increased its refugee intake. Oh, I know. She's getting herself mixed up. She's obviously referring to the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd2.0 governments, under which more than 1,500 people perished at sea - women and children included. This idiotic woman doesn't have a leg to stand on to be taken seriously, given her many seriously flawed decisions while suckling at the tit of taxpayers. Thank goodness we don't have to pay her any longer! :)

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:03pm

Kat wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:47pm:
And once again, Triggs nails it.


Sure has. This is her and her own coffin...


Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:04pm
Of course the old charlatan fails to mention the bursting-at-the seams detention centres and the Indian Ocean drown-athon of the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd years. How humane of her!

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:05pm
Sorry, AP! I just copied your argument.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Dnarever on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:08pm
Unfortunately Trigg's will go but we get to keep our anti human rights government.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:24pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:08pm:
Unfortunately Trigg's will go but we get to keep our anti human rights government.


We're losing a $400,000 a year Labor apparatchik. Sob.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:40pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:08pm:
Unfortunately Trigg's will go but we get to keep our anti human rights government.


We're losing a $400,000 a year Labor apparatchik. Sob.


Remember that guy who the government wanted to deport after he murdered someone - I think it was his wife or someone close to him - and Triggs not only tried to block his deportation but also tried to award him compo for being kept in detention? That useless old hag should've been fired long ago.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by miketrees on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm



Trigg had a mental problem.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by John Smith on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:24pm:
We're losing a $400,000 a year Labor apparatchik. Sob.


I bet within 12 months you'll be hearing the same complaints about the liberal apparatchik, and from the same people too!

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:46pm
I'll never forget the story about the university students in Queensland. The HRC convinced the staff member to persecute those young men only for the case to be dropped. I can only hope the name Gillian Triggs fades into obscurity along with all other simple-minded leftards.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by philperth2010 on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:47pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:40pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:08pm:
Unfortunately Trigg's will go but we get to keep our anti human rights government.


We're losing a $400,000 a year Labor apparatchik. Sob.


Remember that guy who the government wanted to deport after he murdered someone - I think it was his wife or someone close to him - and Triggs not only tried to block his deportation but also tried to award him compo for being kept in detention? That useless old hag should've been fired long ago.


The full story....

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/gillian-triggs-claim-350k-payment-to-wife-killer-reasonable-slammed/news-story/1191292831c64c35f603b616d66545ca


Quote:
Basikbasik, 51, is an Indonesian refugee has been detained for almost eight years at the Villawood detention centre. He has been held there since finishing his seven year jail sentence for the manslaughter of his pregnant Australian spouse.

He beat his 28-year-old de facto to death in 2000 with a child’s bicycle. She was four months pregnant.

The HRC argues his human rights have been breached because of his “arbitrary detention’’ in an immigration facility and he has not faced court, a trial or had his situation regularly reviewed.


::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by John Smith on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:49pm

miketrees wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm:
Trigg had a mental problem.


A.K.A. Liberal Party

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:52pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

miketrees wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm:
Trigg had a mental problem.


A.K.A. Liberal Party


You cannot possibly agree with a woman who tried to block the deportation of a man who killed his wife and then tried to compensate him with taxpayer funds. Surely you're not so stupid?

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by John Smith on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:59pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

miketrees wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm:
Trigg had a mental problem.


A.K.A. Liberal Party


You cannot possibly agree with a woman who tried to block the deportation of a man who killed his wife and then tried to compensate him with taxpayer funds. Surely you're not so stupid?


the compensation was for illegal detention. If he committed a crime, fine, charge him and jail him .... but once that penalty has been paid you have absolutely no right to detain him for a further 8 YEARS

our system only works of we apply the rules to everyone. If you start to pick and choose when rule will apply and when it won't, the system will collapse around us.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Leftwinger on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:00pm
She will be sorely missed , a fantastic ambassador for HR 

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:01pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:59pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

miketrees wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm:
Trigg had a mental problem.


A.K.A. Liberal Party


You cannot possibly agree with a woman who tried to block the deportation of a man who killed his wife and then tried to compensate him with taxpayer funds. Surely you're not so stupid?


the compensation was for illegal detention. If he committed a crime, fine, charge him and jail him .... but once that penalty has been paid you have absolutely no right to detain him for a further 8 YEARS

our system only works of we apply the rules to everyone. If you start to pick and choose when rule will apply and when it won't, the system will collapse around us.


He killed someone who trusted him implicitly. Now I don't know about you but I'd rather he was either locked up or deported and not allowed to roam the streets where he may be allowed to kill again.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by John Smith on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:05pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:59pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

miketrees wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm:
Trigg had a mental problem.


A.K.A. Liberal Party


You cannot possibly agree with a woman who tried to block the deportation of a man who killed his wife and then tried to compensate him with taxpayer funds. Surely you're not so stupid?


the compensation was for illegal detention. If he committed a crime, fine, charge him and jail him .... but once that penalty has been paid you have absolutely no right to detain him for a further 8 YEARS

our system only works of we apply the rules to everyone. If you start to pick and choose when rule will apply and when it won't, the system will collapse around us.


He killed someone who trusted him implicitly. Now I don't know about you but I'd rather he was either locked up or deported and not allowed to roam the streets where he may be allowed to kill again.



what you'd rather is irrelevant. Our society is the best in the world (my opinion) because it lives by a set of rules. It can only work if we live by that set of rules. Start to throw those rules out when it suits, and it won't be long before our society is no better than that of Iran or North Korea, where the innocents will pay the price. You can't pick and choose when to apply the rules.
Sure, that means that sometimes criminals get a break, but I'd rather that then punish a whole heaps of innocents.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:20pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

miketrees wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm:
Trigg had a mental problem.


A.K.A. Liberal Party


You cannot possibly agree with a woman who tried to block the deportation of a man who killed his wife and then tried to compensate him with taxpayer funds. Surely you're not so stupid?


Unfortunately, he is

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:20pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:59pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

miketrees wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm:
Trigg had a mental problem.


A.K.A. Liberal Party


You cannot possibly agree with a woman who tried to block the deportation of a man who killed his wife and then tried to compensate him with taxpayer funds. Surely you're not so stupid?


the compensation was for illegal detention. If he committed a crime, fine, charge him and jail him .... but once that penalty has been paid you have absolutely no right to detain him for a further 8 YEARS

our system only works of we apply the rules to everyone. If you start to pick and choose when rule will apply and when it won't, the system will collapse around us.


He killed someone who trusted him implicitly. Now I don't know about you but I'd rather he was either locked up or deported and not allowed to roam the streets where he may be allowed to kill again.



what you'd rather is irrelevant. Our society is the best in the world (my opinion) because it lives by a set of rules. It can only work if we live by that set of rules. Start to throw those rules out when it suits, and it won't be long before our society is no better than that of Iran or North Korea, where the innocents will pay the price. You can't pick and choose when to apply the rules.
Sure, that means that sometimes criminals get a break, but I'd rather that then punish a whole heaps of innocents.


And what about all of the foreign bike gang members this government has tried to deport due to their crimes, only for Triggs to attempt to block them?

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by John Smith on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:28pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
And what about all of the foreign bike gang members this government has tried to deport due to their crimes, only for Triggs to attempt to block them?


triggs job is to uphold the human rights as they stand under Australian law. She doesn't make the laws. If the government has a problem with the legislation it should make it's case in parliament and change the laws rather than try to use the media to blame Triggs for their inadequacies.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:01am

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:28pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
And what about all of the foreign bike gang members this government has tried to deport due to their crimes, only for Triggs to attempt to block them?


triggs job is to uphold the human rights as they stand under Australian law. She doesn't make the laws. If the government has a problem with the legislation it should make it's case in parliament and change the laws rather than try to use the media to blame Triggs for their inadequacies.


The law, as it stands regarding Visas, is that if you commit an offence punishable by more than 12 months jail you will have your Visa revoked and you will be deported. In other words, behave or you'll be kicked out. It doesn't get any simpler than that, yet Triggs is clearly trying to overstep the bounds of her authority out of what can only be sheer spite.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by aquascoot on Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:10am

Its time wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:00pm:
She will be sorely missed , a fantastic ambassador for HR 



she was the wrong sort of person for this gig.

ever noticed how psychiatrists all become a bit nutty from hanging out with nutty people.
ever noticed how cops start off all smiling and enthusiastic but by 50 , they look beaten into the ground, irritable and have a pissed off vibe.
ever notice how people like Leo Di Caprio in the wolf of wall street, just get amped up by their peers to become more and more unhinged.


you will "become" the personality of the people you interact with unless you take massive action to nurture yourself, have the right inputs, hang out with the right people and absorb their "frame".


Now , triggs or any HRC staffer id surrounded by

victims
failures
whining and complaining
people who have had mediocre lives
people who are living in extreme scarcity and have the "frame" of humiliation, shame, misery, hopelessness, apathy, despair, grief, fear  and withdrawal.

Only a very strong noble rightard can work with these types of very very negative influences and remain "on point".  and even then , the noble rightard would have to be hitting the gym, eating well, he would need an awesome partner to nourish and recharge him. he would need passions and hobbies that give him joy.

A leftie (like triggs) with leftie mates will have none of these safety mechanisms. she may well be taking this frame home with her, watching tha ABC or SBS , talking to other lefties who are in a downward spiral.
she needs to stop the carnage and get out and try and get back on the narrow road to success.

gillian should hit the gym, eat well, turn off the ABC, get her phone and delete every handwringer and leftie contact.
she needs to find joy by becoming strong and powerful and influential and hanging out with people who are moving up in the world. she could go to a Tony Robbins seminar, join an entrepreneurs group, take up hunting fishing surfing skiing. she needs to drastically change her physiology to change her psychology.

good luck gillian, you have a lot of work in front of you to detox.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:28am

Valkie wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:21pm:
We have the right to allow who we want and stop those we dont want.


That right has never been allowed to be exercised by the public having a credible Opposition Party.




Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:48am

salad in wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:00pm:
Gillian Triggs no less. Wow.



let her pay for the 'human rights' of other people.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:51am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

miketrees wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:44pm:
Trigg had a mental problem.


A.K.A. Liberal Party


You cannot possibly agree with a woman who tried to block the deportation of a man who killed his wife and then tried to compensate him with taxpayer funds. Surely you're not so stupid?



X 2

and ALL OUR money she wanted to give away .

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by John Smith on Jul 27th, 2017 at 8:14am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:01am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:28pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
And what about all of the foreign bike gang members this government has tried to deport due to their crimes, only for Triggs to attempt to block them?


triggs job is to uphold the human rights as they stand under Australian law. She doesn't make the laws. If the government has a problem with the legislation it should make it's case in parliament and change the laws rather than try to use the media to blame Triggs for their inadequacies.


The law, as it stands regarding Visas, is that if you commit an offence punishable by more than 12 months jail you will have your Visa revoked and you will be deported. In other words, behave or you'll be kicked out. It doesn't get any simpler than that, yet Triggs is clearly trying to overstep the bounds of her authority out of what can only be sheer spite.


except that there are more laws at play than just those regarding visa's.  :D :D :D

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by BigOl64 on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:21am

Auggie wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:14pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
“Unlike almost every other comparable country Australia has no bill of rights against which government policies can be benchmarked,” Triggs said.


That's right because Australia's political system is based on the tradition of 'parliamentary supremacy', which means that the Parliament is supreme above anything else. The Judiciary cannot dictate to the Parliament what it can and can't do.


mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
“As there is no bill of rights, the courts are very very hamstrung in standing up for human rights.”


The last thing we want is the High Court ruling on human rights. They've already whipped one right out of thin air; if we have a bill of rights, then they'll go out of control. Just look at the US Supreme Court.



So privileges and obligations it is then.


It helps that people are too fkken stupid to realise they are being fkked by the government, so easy peasy.


Oh yes, BigOl, because I'm feeling so oppressed by the Ausralian Government.....

Oh my.....



You wouldn't know a basic right if it was jammed up your back passage sideways, like most Australians, you are blissfully ignorant and damn happy to be that way.


Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by philperth2010 on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:35am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:01am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:28pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
And what about all of the foreign bike gang members this government has tried to deport due to their crimes, only for Triggs to attempt to block them?


triggs job is to uphold the human rights as they stand under Australian law. She doesn't make the laws. If the government has a problem with the legislation it should make it's case in parliament and change the laws rather than try to use the media to blame Triggs for their inadequacies.


The law, as it stands regarding Visas, is that if you commit an offence punishable by more than 12 months jail you will have your Visa revoked and you will be deported. In other words, behave or you'll be kicked out. It doesn't get any simpler than that, yet Triggs is clearly trying to overstep the bounds of her authority out of what can only be sheer spite.


As the law stands he was a refugee and cannot be sent back to his home country....But don't let facts get in the way of your rant???

::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by BigOl64 on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:52am

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:01am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:28pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
And what about all of the foreign bike gang members this government has tried to deport due to their crimes, only for Triggs to attempt to block them?


triggs job is to uphold the human rights as they stand under Australian law. She doesn't make the laws. If the government has a problem with the legislation it should make it's case in parliament and change the laws rather than try to use the media to blame Triggs for their inadequacies.


The law, as it stands regarding Visas, is that if you commit an offence punishable by more than 12 months jail you will have your Visa revoked and you will be deported. In other words, behave or you'll be kicked out. It doesn't get any simpler than that, yet Triggs is clearly trying to overstep the bounds of her authority out of what can only be sheer spite.


As the law stands he was a refugee and cannot be sent back to his home country....But don't let facts get in the way of your rant???

::) ::) ::)



Send him to ANY other country and get rid of him, refugee or not he is a sub standard human and not deserving or our endless welfare.  >:( >:(



Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Frank on Jul 27th, 2017 at 8:01pm

mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
Gillian Triggs: Australian government 'ideologically opposed to human rights'

In her last week as human rights commissioner, Triggs says human rights are ‘regressing on almost every front’

Gillian Triggs has accused the Australian government of being “ideologically opposed to human rights”, saying Australia’s human rights are “regressing on almost every front”.

Triggs has used the last week of her tenure as human rights commissioner to say human rights in Australia were going backwards for almost all relevant groups. “Whether it’s women, Indigenous, homeless and most of course asylum seekers and refugees,” she told ABC Radio National on Wednesday morning.

Triggs said the Coalition government held some responsibility for the regression. “I think it’s partly because we have a government that is ideologically opposed to human rights,” she said.

“Mr Abbott, when he campaigned for government, one of those campaign platforms was the elimination of the Australian Human Rights Commission. So in that sense it was part of the platform and it’s been maintained pretty well ever since.”

Triggs also blamed the slipping of human rights in Australia on the lack of a legal protection of rights – a bill of rights – that would ensure governments could not act counter to human rights.

“Unlike almost every other comparable country Australia has no bill of rights against which government policies can be benchmarked,” Triggs said.

“As there is no bill of rights, the courts are very very hamstrung in standing up for human rights.”

She said the fear of terrorism was being exploited to centralise government power “giving ministers really unprecedented power without the supervision of the court.”

She said Australia had produced more counterterrorism legislation than North America and Europe, and since there was no bill of rights in Australia, those measures were not necessarily consistent with fundamental human rights.

Her time in the role was marked by fierce clashes with the Coalition government. She dismissed claims that she acted in a partisan way, instead blaming the government for framing issues that way.

“Firstly I categorically reject any suggestion that we acted in a political way,” she said.

“There is no doubt at all however that rather than take on the substantive factual and legal points that we were making the government decided it was better to attack us on political grounds,” she said.

“I do of course accept that that was the perception created not only by government members but by a major newspaper in Australia.”

She said she had no regrets and was very proud of what the Human Rights Commission achieved under her leadership, with a “miniscule” budget of just $14m.

“I believe we have done a terrific job. We have stuck to the facts. We know the facts are right. We know the law is right. We are very proud that. I think there are no regrets and I very much hope that in the future the commission can continue to be fearless in standing up for the rights of Australians.”


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/26/gillian-triggs-australian-government-ideologically-opposed-to-human-rights



She lives in the same Denial you do, mothra.


Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by AugCaesarustus on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:02pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:21am:

Auggie wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:14pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
“Unlike almost every other comparable country Australia has no bill of rights against which government policies can be benchmarked,” Triggs said.


That's right because Australia's political system is based on the tradition of 'parliamentary supremacy', which means that the Parliament is supreme above anything else. The Judiciary cannot dictate to the Parliament what it can and can't do.


mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
“As there is no bill of rights, the courts are very very hamstrung in standing up for human rights.”


The last thing we want is the High Court ruling on human rights. They've already whipped one right out of thin air; if we have a bill of rights, then they'll go out of control. Just look at the US Supreme Court.



So privileges and obligations it is then.


It helps that people are too fkken stupid to realise they are being fkked by the government, so easy peasy.


Oh yes, BigOl, because I'm feeling so oppressed by the Ausralian Government.....

Oh my.....



You wouldn't know a basic right if it was jammed up your back passage sideways, like most Australians, you are blissfully ignorant and damn happy to be that way.


Ah no... I know exactly what rights are. I live them everyday.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:14pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:01am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:28pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
And what about all of the foreign bike gang members this government has tried to deport due to their crimes, only for Triggs to attempt to block them?


triggs job is to uphold the human rights as they stand under Australian law. She doesn't make the laws. If the government has a problem with the legislation it should make it's case in parliament and change the laws rather than try to use the media to blame Triggs for their inadequacies.


The law, as it stands regarding Visas, is that if you commit an offence punishable by more than 12 months jail you will have your Visa revoked and you will be deported. In other words, behave or you'll be kicked out. It doesn't get any simpler than that, yet Triggs is clearly trying to overstep the bounds of her authority out of what can only be sheer spite.


As the law stands he was a refugee and cannot be sent back to his home country....But don't let facts get in the way of your rant???

::) ::) ::)


Nor can he be allowed to roam freely in the community due to his Visa having been revoked due to his criminal history, hence his detention. But don't let facts get in the way of your rant???

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:21pm
Criminals aren't allowed free access to Australian society; refugee or not. What's the problem, leftards?

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by John Smith on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:02am

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Criminals aren't allowed free access to Australian society; refugee or not. What's the problem, leftards?



criminals are released from jail after serving their sentence each and every single day ....

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by BigOl64 on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:08am

Auggie wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:02pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:21am:

Auggie wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:14pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
“Unlike almost every other comparable country Australia has no bill of rights against which government policies can be benchmarked,” Triggs said.


That's right because Australia's political system is based on the tradition of 'parliamentary supremacy', which means that the Parliament is supreme above anything else. The Judiciary cannot dictate to the Parliament what it can and can't do.


mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
“As there is no bill of rights, the courts are very very hamstrung in standing up for human rights.”


The last thing we want is the High Court ruling on human rights. They've already whipped one right out of thin air; if we have a bill of rights, then they'll go out of control. Just look at the US Supreme Court.



So privileges and obligations it is then.


It helps that people are too fkken stupid to realise they are being fkked by the government, so easy peasy.


Oh yes, BigOl, because I'm feeling so oppressed by the Ausralian Government.....

Oh my.....



You wouldn't know a basic right if it was jammed up your back passage sideways, like most Australians, you are blissfully ignorant and damn happy to be that way.


Ah no... I know exactly what rights are. I live them everyday.




No you have government controlled privileges and government imposed obligations, except if you're a religious nut, then you have an actual right; albeit one you don't deserve.



You are just too stupid to realise that, welcome to Australia, you're standing in it.  :) :)



Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Grendel on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:05am
Gillian Triggs.... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Another Prog without a clue.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:21am

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:02am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Criminals aren't allowed free access to Australian society; refugee or not. What's the problem, leftards?



criminals are released from jail after serving their sentence each and every single day ....


The vast majority of whom are Australian citizens. That's the difference you seem unable to comprehend.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:22am

Grendel wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:05am:
Gillian Triggs.... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Another Prog without a clue.


If by "prog" you mean progressive, then no, she isn't. If anything, she and her kind are regressive.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by John Smith on Jul 29th, 2017 at 12:24pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:02am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Criminals aren't allowed free access to Australian society; refugee or not. What's the problem, leftards?



criminals are released from jail after serving their sentence each and every single day ....


The vast majority of whom are Australian citizens. That's the difference you seem unable to comprehend.


So you think we lock people up forever because they're not citizens

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by BigOl64 on Jul 29th, 2017 at 12:35pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 12:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:02am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Criminals aren't allowed free access to Australian society; refugee or not. What's the problem, leftards?



criminals are released from jail after serving their sentence each and every single day ....


The vast majority of whom are Australian citizens. That's the difference you seem unable to comprehend.


So you think we lock people up forever because they're not citizens



If they are illegal non-citizens we do, well up until we deport them.

As we should

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 29th, 2017 at 12:41pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 12:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:02am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Criminals aren't allowed free access to Australian society; refugee or not. What's the problem, leftards?



criminals are released from jail after serving their sentence each and every single day ....


The vast majority of whom are Australian citizens. That's the difference you seem unable to comprehend.


So you think we lock people up forever because they're not citizens


No, they usually get deported, like most countries do.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by philperth2010 on Jul 29th, 2017 at 6:11pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:01am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:28pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
And what about all of the foreign bike gang members this government has tried to deport due to their crimes, only for Triggs to attempt to block them?


triggs job is to uphold the human rights as they stand under Australian law. She doesn't make the laws. If the government has a problem with the legislation it should make it's case in parliament and change the laws rather than try to use the media to blame Triggs for their inadequacies.


The law, as it stands regarding Visas, is that if you commit an offence punishable by more than 12 months jail you will have your Visa revoked and you will be deported. In other words, behave or you'll be kicked out. It doesn't get any simpler than that, yet Triggs is clearly trying to overstep the bounds of her authority out of what can only be sheer spite.


As the law stands he was a refugee and cannot be sent back to his home country....But don't let facts get in the way of your rant???

::) ::) ::)


Nor can he be allowed to roam freely in the community due to his Visa having been revoked due to his criminal history, hence his detention. But don't let facts get in the way of your rant???


He was a refugee???

:-? :-? :-?

The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), The Gay Science, section 191

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 29th, 2017 at 6:32pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:02am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Criminals aren't allowed free access to Australian society; refugee or not. What's the problem, leftards?



criminals are released from jail after serving their sentence each and every single day ....


Deads.h.i.t.s born in Australia are our responsibility whether we like it or not. Australia has no responsibility to deads.h.i.t.s from other countries whatever they're running from.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Caesar Augustus on Jul 29th, 2017 at 7:22pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:08am:

Auggie wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:02pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:21am:

Auggie wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:14pm:

Auggie wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
“Unlike almost every other comparable country Australia has no bill of rights against which government policies can be benchmarked,” Triggs said.


That's right because Australia's political system is based on the tradition of 'parliamentary supremacy', which means that the Parliament is supreme above anything else. The Judiciary cannot dictate to the Parliament what it can and can't do.


mothra wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
“As there is no bill of rights, the courts are very very hamstrung in standing up for human rights.”


The last thing we want is the High Court ruling on human rights. They've already whipped one right out of thin air; if we have a bill of rights, then they'll go out of control. Just look at the US Supreme Court.



So privileges and obligations it is then.


It helps that people are too fkken stupid to realise they are being fkked by the government, so easy peasy.


Oh yes, BigOl, because I'm feeling so oppressed by the Ausralian Government.....

Oh my.....



You wouldn't know a basic right if it was jammed up your back passage sideways, like most Australians, you are blissfully ignorant and damn happy to be that way.


Ah no... I know exactly what rights are. I live them everyday.




No you have government controlled privileges and government imposed obligations, except if you're a religious nut, then you have an actual right; albeit one you don't deserve.



You are just too stupid to realise that, welcome to Australia, you're standing in it.  :) :)


Well, the Government's role is to protect the civil rights and liberties of its people. It it can't do it, then who can?

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Frank on Jul 29th, 2017 at 7:40pm
Gillian Triggs and Soupy Tim have damaged human rights more than anyone could have if they tried. They have simply discredited the very idea. Cloth eared Marxist social engineers - nobody likes that.


Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by John Smith on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:51pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 12:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 12:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:02am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Criminals aren't allowed free access to Australian society; refugee or not. What's the problem, leftards?



criminals are released from jail after serving their sentence each and every single day ....


The vast majority of whom are Australian citizens. That's the difference you seem unable to comprehend.


So you think we lock people up forever because they're not citizens


No, they usually get deported, like most countries do.



He spent 7 or 8 yrs locked up ..... AFTER serving his sentence

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by John Smith on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:52pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 6:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:02am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Criminals aren't allowed free access to Australian society; refugee or not. What's the problem, leftards?



criminals are released from jail after serving their sentence each and every single day ....


Deads.h.i.t.s born in Australia are our responsibility whether we like it or not. Australia has no responsibility to deads.h.i.t.s from other countries whatever they're running from.



Australia has a responsibility to everyone on our soil. Whether you like it or not

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by John Smith on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:53pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 12:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:02am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Criminals aren't allowed free access to Australian society; refugee or not. What's the problem, leftards?



criminals are released from jail after serving their sentence each and every single day ....


The vast majority of whom are Australian citizens. That's the difference you seem unable to comprehend.


So you think we lock people up forever because they're not citizens



If they are illegal non-citizens we do, well up until we deport them.

As we should


he wasn't an illegal non citizen ... he was a refugee.

Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by Frank on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:28pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 6:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:02am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Criminals aren't allowed free access to Australian society; refugee or not. What's the problem, leftards?



criminals are released from jail after serving their sentence each and every single day ....


Deads.h.i.t.s born in Australia are our responsibility whether we like it or not. Australia has no responsibility to deads.h.i.t.s from other countries whatever they're running from.



Australia has a responsibility to everyone on our soil. Whether you like it or not

Bollocks. We have no responsibility for illegal intruders.


Title: Re: Aust. govt opposed to human rights
Post by John Smith on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:31pm

Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 6:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:02am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 10:21pm:
Criminals aren't allowed free access to Australian society; refugee or not. What's the problem, leftards?



criminals are released from jail after serving their sentence each and every single day ....


Deads.h.i.t.s born in Australia are our responsibility whether we like it or not. Australia has no responsibility to deads.h.i.t.s from other countries whatever they're running from.



Australia has a responsibility to everyone on our soil. Whether you like it or not

Bollocks. We have no responsibility for illegal intruders.


nothing illegal about it. he was a refugee. His status had been determined long before he was locked up illegally for a further 8 yrs.

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