the MOST important thing for every man is to have a mission or north star, some sort of passion or goal he is working towards.

if you dont, you are destined to be a provider male, putz shamed beta male who will be repulsive to your wife and you will be parked in a husband minding pod whilst she goes shopping.

How inferior, how repulsive.

if this sounds like a place you could end up, you are screwed  ;)



http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-40609115

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Yawn.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

Yawn.

yawning is for fat steve sitting on the couch with his fat wife.
the superior man leads a charged existence and never yawns

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

the MOST important thing for every man is to have a mission or north star, some sort of passion or goal he is working towards. if you dont, you are destined to be a provider male, putz shamed beta male who will be repulsive to your wife and you will be parked in a husband minding pod whilst she goes shopping. How inferior, how repulsive. if this sounds like a place you could end up, you are screwed  ;) http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-40609115

Sex robots are being developed for these drones. That will hopefully take them out of the future.

" Darling we're going shopping and I want some toothpaste and check the varieties of olives "
"Right babe that's my ambition , we hit the road in 2 minutes , I'll be in action red T shirt , let's go , I'm into this , woohoo , yeah baby , north star ( punches air ) watch me go , super shopper , how do I look?"
"Alpha , I think I'm about to cry "

I thought that was what the pub was for.. :)

only a true beta would spend all their time worrying about whether they're alpha or beta  :D :D :D

Frank wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 4:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 4:53pm: the MOST important thing for every man is to have a mission or north star, some sort of passion or goal he is working towards. if you dont, you are destined to be a provider male, putz shamed beta male who will be repulsive to your wife and you will be parked in a husband minding pod whilst she goes shopping. How inferior, how repulsive. if this sounds like a place you could end up, you are screwed  ;) http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-40609115 Sex robots are being developed for these drones. That will hopefully take them out of the future.

pleasuring yourself

following the path of least resistance

always looking at the environment to see what you can "take", what you can "get"

how mediocre ;)

The top video-gamers will choose to get in the pod to achieve high scores.  As a reward and out of admiration , wifey permits (orders) him to push the trolley .

The way horseboy goes on and on about this crap it is clear he is well under his wife’s thumb.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 7:32pm:

The way horseboy goes on and on about this crap it is clear he is well under his wife’s thumb.

Methinks he protest too much.

Trying to prove to everyone, including himself, that he is more than the tired little wannabe he is.

Real men dont have keep telling everyone how great they are.

Low achievers on the other hand, continually tell everyone how great they are,

Its all lies.

Pretty much. His posts are monotonous, the same crap expressed in slightly different ways. Inevitably—the posts are to aggrandise horseboy.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

Pretty much. His posts are monotonous, the same crap expressed in slightly different ways. Inevitably—the posts are to aggrandise horseboy.

not to aggrandise but in a "spirit of contribution".


i get what its like to be a beta male, a provider male, a nice guy, a gentleman, a sheep...because i was that guy.

i followed the script and did what society said and then was left by a woman for a total douchebag because being nice and supplicating to women simply doesnt work.

i then had to go thru some brutal retraining and do lots of experiments in the field to see what women really respond to.

and , guess what, i found a super awesome partner.

and she agrees.

women respond to a man with a spine who has good direction in life and firm personal boundaries.

and you HAVE to be like that with a woman.

if you supplicate and be a little bitch and go shopping to carry the bags and look all butt hurt, she will leave you.

Does that mean you have to act like a douchebag.

Of course not.

You will always treat your woman well.
Treat your women the same way you treat your staff.
They have to know that you are on their side, that you are a good leader BUT if they start up any BS behaviour..they are out.

if your staff know you are like that, they will respect you and they will love you and you will synergise.

if your woman knows that you wont put up with BS, you wont be clingy, needy and supplicate and if she crosses the boundaries, she's out...then she will be attracted, then you can develop that awesome relationship.

but being a butt hurt little shamed man who gets dragged to the shopping mall like a 10 yo.....how can she be attracted to a man who is behaving like an oppositional bratty child....she cant.

draw a boundary, stay on YOUR purpose, be the star of YOUR movie, have some god dammed direction in life.

this advice is given in the spirit of contribution ,
by sharing our failures with others , we give them meaning.
i think if you follow my advice (if you are a young dude) you will be much better off then if you buy a flash car, a flash watch and try to 'trick ' the girl into "liking" you the way that social conditioning seems to suggest  ;)

No from now on if she asks me to push the trolley I'll stamp my little feet and refuse . It's off to the ..er..OzPolitics at the net cafe and she can wait until I've finished playing.

chimera wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 7:07am:

No from now on if she asks me to push the trolley I'll stamp my little feet and refuse . It's off to the ..er..OzPolitics at the net cafe and she can wait until I've finished playing.

stamping feet may be seen as tantrum behaviour.

i would say "honey, i'm on my grind , and i'm going to hit the gym to get the good juices flowing so i can continue to be the champ you want to be with".
then cook her a great meal and give her a massage when she gets home .
take charge
LEAD.

if shes a feminine woman (and why would you want one who wasnt), she'll feel so safe, so taken care of, she WILL get turned on.

some girls , of course, are dummies.

if she throws a tantrum and demands you push the trolley, its a sh*t test, if you submit, you are a submissive little pussy and now she cant feel safe, and she cant feel secure.
and she will lose attraction.

This isnt some Ra Ra men speech.
i seriously wish you could just let women make all the decisions. one less thing to worry about. but i did that and the results are viscous. the results are brutal if you dont have a spine. you will be destroyed.

Well get into it and stamp your feet with authority . Power stamping . Right in front of the checkout and show your calf muscles , get the juice flowing .

chimera wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 7:24am:

Well get into it and stamp your feet with authority . Power stamping . Right in front of the checkout and show your calf muscles , get the juice flowing .

thats being "reactive"
its better to be a bit "icey" and not get sucked into the womans "frame".
just stay on your purpose, have that north star, be creative and have some passion about what you stand for, NEVER complain and they will respect you for it and you'll be one of those rare men who is full of joy and wants to contribute.

Reactive ? I've dragged her up the elevator by the hair demanding she repeat my instructions for lollies and crayons . Arm-lock behind her back and down to the trolley bay , tell her to use the big one and get my stuff first and I make sure the staff all hear my orders before shoving her out into the girl-shop.  Always works , she begs for more.

No, horseboy’s posts are purely to aggrandise him.

Fancying himself an “alpha.”

Why do you constantly have to refer to yourself as an “alpha” as “grounded” etc et yawningly cetera? Obviously, you have grave doubts about yourself.

Work on them—away from this board. You are repellingly boring!

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 9:19am:

No, horseboy’s posts are purely to aggrandise him. Fancying himself an “alpha.” Why do you constantly have to refer to yourself as an “alpha” as “grounded” etc et yawningly cetera? Obviously, you have grave doubts about yourself. Work on them—away from this board. You are repellingly boring!

my thought would be that it "hits a nerve" and you know you should be putting in more effort to "man up".
your ego doesnt like seeing that and it has to push back 10 x stronger.

the fat steves are in a durr state and they dont react to anything.
people who have ambitions above that of fat steve but are too lazy to do self development are always the ones who really hate on people like Tony Robbins etc.
because they know they should and they dont.
The trick is to make your "shoulds" your "musts".

hoping you can soon start the journey up the "narrow road to success"  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 4:57pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm: Yawn. yawning is for fat steve sitting on the couch with his fat wife. the superior man leads a charged existence and never yawns

Lol I'm yawning at the bullshit you carry on with.

have you watched Tony Robbins or Tai Lopez ?
do you think that self improvement is a worthwhile path?

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 9:40am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 9:19am: No, horseboy’s posts are purely to aggrandise him. Fancying himself an “alpha.” Why do you constantly have to refer to yourself as an “alpha” as “grounded” etc et yawningly cetera? Obviously, you have grave doubts about yourself. Work on them—away from this board. You are repellingly boring! my thought would be that it "hits a nerve" and you know you should be putting in more effort to "man up". your ego doesnt like seeing that and it has to push back 10 x stronger. the fat steves are in a durr state and they dont react to anything. people who have ambitions above that of fat steve but are too lazy to do self development are always the ones who really hate on people like Tony Robbins etc. because they know they should and they dont. The trick is to make your "shoulds" your "musts". hoping you can soon start the journey up the "narrow road to success"  ;)

YOU are Fat Steve! NOW it all makes sense! And under the thumb of your wife! Then you post here how great you are but you fool nobody!

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 10:34am:

have you watched Tony Robbins or Tai Lopez ? do you think that self improvement is a worthwhile path?

Yes but I dont need some birk with a chin fire walking to drive me to that.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 9:40am: Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 9:19am: No, horseboy’s posts are purely to aggrandise him. Fancying himself an “alpha.” Why do you constantly have to refer to yourself as an “alpha” as “grounded” etc et yawningly cetera? Obviously, you have grave doubts about yourself. Work on them—away from this board. You are repellingly boring! my thought would be that it "hits a nerve" and you know you should be putting in more effort to "man up". your ego doesnt like seeing that and it has to push back 10 x stronger. the fat steves are in a durr state and they dont react to anything. people who have ambitions above that of fat steve but are too lazy to do self development are always the ones who really hate on people like Tony Robbins etc. because they know they should and they dont. The trick is to make your "shoulds" your "musts". hoping you can soon start the journey up the "narrow road to success"  ;) YOU are Fat Steve! NOW it all makes sense! And under the thumb of your wife! Then you post here how great you are but you fool nobody!

WAS fat steve (though not fat)..yep self confessed , asleep at the wheel of my own life .  absolutely
and not so much fat steve but confused by following the path society sets out for men , which is literally
"cheering them off the cliff"

it really starts in school.

boys are told to sit down , shut up and take in information.
this makes boys passive and a lot of boys learn much better by "action" then by being "stuck in their heads".
so boys are "made" submissive and passive.

and society says go to uni, be a really nice guy , be really submissive and passive and it will all be good.

But many men find it isnt.

There is a better path and i found it and sharing it is part of my passion.
i dont really mind if Bojack and jovial arent interested.
Some guy out there might be struggling and this might be the prompt he needs to get into an upward spiral.
;)

Whatever, Steve.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 5:47pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 4:57pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 4:53pm: the MOST important thing for every man is to have a mission or north star, some sort of passion or goal he is working towards. if you dont, you are destined to be a provider male, putz shamed beta male who will be repulsive to your wife and you will be parked in a husband minding pod whilst she goes shopping. How inferior, how repulsive. if this sounds like a place you could end up, you are screwed  ;) http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-40609115 Sex robots are being developed for these drones. That will hopefully take them out of the future. pleasuring yourself following the path of least resistance always looking at the environment to see what you can "take", what you can "get" how mediocre ;)

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aCCnIJKjJc0/WV9A6Tj-3_I/AAAAAAADBfE/qftdB4HXg2g3sBilHFpIoiKuEWEAxjhgQCLcBGAs/s400/untitled.jpg

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 5:42pm:

I thought that was what the pub was for.. :)

Alpha robots dump beta husbands.

I can see scooter boy now.

Wearing his apron, washing up and saying "yes dear" whilst mumbling under his breath

"I AM AN ALPHA MALE, I AM AN ALPHA MALE.....yes dear...I AM AN ALPHA MALE"

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Valkie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 7:41pm:

I can see scooter boy now. Wearing his apron, washing up and saying "yes dear" whilst mumbling under his breath "I AM AN ALPHA MALE, I AM AN ALPHA MALE.....yes dear...I AM AN ALPHA MALE" HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Thats , unfortunately where many men will end up.
Thankfully i got out and i hope i can save a few more.
I certainly hope i can save my son.

Its fascinating to me that lefties (who are usually very opposed to the capitist system ) dont get on board for this.

What i see is this.

Men are made into submissive and passive beings by an education system which says sit down and shut up. even the school bell is classic pavlov conditioning.
Men are fed a script by hollywood and the advertising industry to just be a really nice guy, just comply, get that job, work hard, buy that expensive ring, buy those expensive jeans, buy that expensive watch, take women to expensive resturants for a peck on the cheek and the role of being a provider for a woman , who will not respect you because you really dont respect yourself.

thats what i see.

men, doing what society says, following the script and then winding up confused as hell when the wife leaves them for the cool bartender who never did anything for her and she gets half their stuff. she basicly gets rewarded for destroying these poor blokes.

thats what i see, society and groupthink is literally cheering men off the cliff.

now, if (or rather when) this happens to you , because a woman will not respect a man who has no spine, i suggest you come back and re read Scoots words of wisdom and go on a journey of self discovery.

If you do man up , and tell groupthink and the marketers and hollywood, you aint buying their crap philosophy any more , 2 things will happen.

you will develop real legitimate masculinity and you will get into an upward spiral because when you make the decision to be free and live life on your terms , women will come into your life who want to "buy in". and the feminine energy from a woman who is really "brought in" to what you are doing will spill over into your work and you will see that the saying
"when you crush it in the boardroom, you can crush it in the bedroom".

everything is bleeding into everything else.
nothing is standing still.
if you arent moving up, i can pretty much gaurantee you are moving down.

so , to any guys out there who find themselves "cheered off the cliff", there is hope and pain can be transformed into awesomeness.

i feel really really bad for guys who are let down by the system .
no one is looking after the young males coming forward, there are no good role models, they are truly lost.
the so called "sympathetic and loving lefties" have completely forgotten this cohort . in fact, they use them as a whipping boy and shame them .

you show me where young men are being mentored well.

stop the carnage.
for 10's of 1000's of years, young men were helped to become men by rites of initiation from the real men in their village.

fat steve aint going to do it.
the feminists arent goint to do it
the putz shaming teachers arent going to do it
the consumer culture arent going to do it.

who is  ;) ;) ;)

i dont want my boy ending up walking round a mall , carrying bags, looking all butt hurt and sad and then cheering himself up by drinking beer, passively watching other men play sport and being told to "take out the trash" :) :)

'for 10's of 1000's of years, young men were helped to become men by rites of initiation from the real men in their village."
Real men carry shopping bags and let women and children into the lifeboats first and then do war-dances in ochre paint .

Just another scoot thread to shame others in order to, by comparison, feel superior.  How alpha.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 7:32pm:

The way horseboy goes on and on about this crap it is clear he is well under his wife’s thumb.

You have never even touched a woman, Monk ...

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 9:44am:

Just another scoot thread to shame others in order to, by comparison, feel superior.  How alpha.

nope.
i dont draw my state off comparisons to anyone or anyones opinion of myself  (including BTW my partners and kids opinions of myself).
if you understood masculine energy, you would understand that it can be no other way.
and this alpha / beta stuff is just misunderstood so maybe we could change it to "living with passion and abundance /
living in a durp state and in scarcity".
and my aim is not to do anything other then maybe help some guys who are struggling to see that you dont have to follow the script that the prevailing social conditioning is asking you to follow and that following the script that the prevailing social conditioning tells you to follow will not lead to a life of passion and joy.

Show me different Kangaroo.
Show me different.

when i (rarely) go to the shopping mall i see a bunch of men with expressions on their faces like they have been ground into the dirt, or they are standing there like furniture .Their dreams have been shattered .
this wasnt what they saw for themselves when they were a young boy.

i offer a path or as i like to call it a "narrow road". ;) ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 10:54am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 9:44am: Just another scoot thread to shame others in order to, by comparison, feel superior.  How alpha. nope. i dont draw my state off comparisons to anyone or anyones opinion of myself  (including BTW my partners and kids opinions of myself). if you understood masculine energy, you would understand that it can be no other way. and this alpha / beta stuff is just misunderstood so maybe we could change it to "living with passion and abundance / living in a durp state and in scarcity". and my aim is not to do anything other then maybe help some guys who are struggling to see that you dont have to follow the script that the prevailing social conditioning is asking you to follow and that following the script that the prevailing social conditioning tells you to follow will not lead to a life of passion and joy. Show me different Kangaroo. Show me different. when i (rarely) go to the shopping mall i see a bunch of men with expressions on their faces like they have been ground into the dirt, or they are standing there like furniture .Their dreams have been shattered . this wasnt what they saw for themselves when they were a young boy. i offer a path or as i like to call it a "narrow road". ;) ;)

I think the only crime here is that you aare over-reading other peoples emotional states.

Scoot is right . We need shops with men in leather weight-lift belts and Hollywood straps around the wrist .  Sandals with thongs around the leg muscles and medieval cod-pieces, Papuans use bamboo tubes. Bone through nose is OK or pig-teeth on a string .  Carry the trolley under one arm dragging the sheila by the hair.

There is no such thing really as Alpha or Beta males.
Alpha males may dominate Beta males (for this discussion's sake I use the words) - in say 'Achievement',
but the Beta males always get the 'better female' than the Alphas.

Example: Scott and Admundsen of the Antarctic.
Scott was a Beta male and had a very good relationship with his wife. He was very much in love with her. But he was no great achiever compared to Admundsen.
Admundsen was the Achiever, but his relationships with women were as successful as Scotts attempt on the Antarctic.

I won't go into how Purple Man (neutral colour to explain a race) - it's too lengthy and tedious to explain.
But imagine, in short - how there are x8 Regions of the World and there are x8 variations of Purple Man's existence.
Four of those males are Alpha and the other 4 are Beta.
Everything 'equalises' and is balanced to accommodate all 'niches' of existence.

But basically, those Males that consider themselves as 'Alpha' always get the 'Beta' female.
Those Beta males always get the Alpha female.
Alpha males might think that's pretty cool.
But the Beta female, compared to the Alpha female is always less better looking, can't raise kids or have kids as well (problems). The type of female that makes Alpha males go  ::)  :P  >:( etc.

So Alpha male might get the 'trophy' and stand on the Podium, while Beta male 'gets the girl'.

Lets face it. Rugby Union males are Alpha compared to the grubs who play Rugby League. They have 'careers', rather than 'jobs'. They are better educated and have less scandals. But the females that surround NRL are better looking than those who follow Union, have more personality and are better in bed than the 'stiff'  boring Union girls who are also interested in 'careers' more than a good ****.

So you have your winners and losers.
If you consider yourself an 'Alpha' male?
Then you must ask yourself 'what type' of Alpha male are you really? Because there is a part of you that is Beta as well.
Are you Alpha in Love / Beta in Power?
Are you Alpha in Power / Beta in Love?

The flaw everyone falls into is the 'There is only ONE right answer' or 'Everything is Black OR White'. It's a common problem that manifests itself a lot on this Forum.

Tennis: Remember when Gabriella Sabatini (Arg) was playing. Well she was an Alpha female compared to the uglier Steffi Graff (Beta) who always won. Just like Chris Evertt to Martina Nat' (the lesbian). Gabriella would have slept with the second place Beta male, while Alpha male holding the cup got big nosed Steffi or Martina Nat' the dyke.

So your choice. You want the Trophy or you want the Alpha female?

Alpha males and Alpha females never work out - trust me.
It's like North & North magnet heads trying to stick together. Close, but no cigar.

You want the better woman, than you better be an Beta male that has a very happy 'pussy-wipped' smile on your face and learn to write a good love story from the Antarctic.
You want the Trophy and the South Pole first. Then all that you will get is Beta females. If they are smart, then they are crap for sex, if they are better for sex than they probably don't even know how to write a letter or know where Antarctica is?

So look out there and notice now - the Alpha and Beta males ...and see exactly where it is that they are Alpha and they are Beta.

Alpha Hector was to rule Troy and marry a Beta female.
Beta Paris got to have Helen - the Alpha female.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 10:59am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 10:54am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 9:44am: Just another scoot thread to shame others in order to, by comparison, feel superior.  How alpha. nope. i dont draw my state off comparisons to anyone or anyones opinion of myself  (including BTW my partners and kids opinions of myself). if you understood masculine energy, you would understand that it can be no other way. and this alpha / beta stuff is just misunderstood so maybe we could change it to "living with passion and abundance / living in a durp state and in scarcity". and my aim is not to do anything other then maybe help some guys who are struggling to see that you dont have to follow the script that the prevailing social conditioning is asking you to follow and that following the script that the prevailing social conditioning tells you to follow will not lead to a life of passion and joy. Show me different Kangaroo. Show me different. when i (rarely) go to the shopping mall i see a bunch of men with expressions on their faces like they have been ground into the dirt, or they are standing there like furniture .Their dreams have been shattered . this wasnt what they saw for themselves when they were a young boy. i offer a path or as i like to call it a "narrow road". ;) ;) I think the only crime here is that you aare over-reading other peoples emotional states.

so the prevailing emotional state on here is one of joy and abundance?

no haters, no complainers, everyone just in a positive mood full of good emotions  ;)

Jasin wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 11:09am:

There is no such thing really as Alpha or Beta males. Alpha males may dominate Beta males (for this discussion's sake I use the words) - in say 'Achievement', but the Beta males always get the 'better female' than the Alphas. Example: Scott and Admundsen of the Antarctic. Scott was a Beta male and had a very good relationship with his wife. He was very much in love with her. But he was no great achiever compared to Admundsen. Admundsen was the Achiever, but his relationships with women were as successful as Scotts attempt on the Antarctic. I won't go into how Purple Man (neutral colour to explain a race) - it's too lengthy and tedious to explain. But imagine, in short - how there are x8 Regions of the World and there are x8 variations of Purple Man's existence. Four of those males are Alpha and the other 4 are Beta. Everything 'equalises' and is balanced to accommodate all 'niches' of existence. But basically, those Males that consider themselves as 'Alpha' always get the 'Beta' female. Those Beta males always get the Alpha female. Alpha males might think that's pretty cool. But the Beta female, compared to the Alpha female is always less better looking, can't raise kids or have kids as well (problems). The type of female that makes Alpha males go  ::)  :P  >:( etc. So Alpha male might get the 'trophy' and stand on the Podium, while Beta male 'gets the girl'. Lets face it. Rugby Union males are Alpha compared to the grubs who play Rugby League. They have 'careers', rather than 'jobs'. They are better educated and have less scandals. But the females that surround NRL are better looking than those who follow Union, have more personality and are better in bed than the 'stiff'  boring Union girls who are also interested in 'careers' more than a good ****. So you have your winners and losers. If you consider yourself an 'Alpha' male? Then you must ask yourself 'what type' of Alpha male are you really? Because there is a part of you that is Beta as well. Are you Alpha in Love / Beta in Power? Are you Alpha in Power / Beta in Love? The flaw everyone falls into is the 'There is only ONE right answer' or 'Everything is Black OR White'. It's a common problem that manifests itself a lot on this Forum. Tennis: Remember when Gabriella Sabatini (Arg) was playing. Well she was an Alpha female compared to the uglier Steffi Graff (Beta) who always won. Just like Chris Evertt to Martina Nat' (the lesbian). Gabriella would have slept with the second place Beta male, while Alpha male holding the cup got big nosed Steffi or Martina Nat' the dyke. So your choice. You want the Trophy or you want the Alpha female? Alpha males and Alpha females never work out - trust me. It's like North & North magnet heads trying to stick together. Close, but no cigar. You want the better woman, than you better be an Beta male that has a very happy 'pussy-wipped' smile on your face and learn to write a good love story from the Antarctic. You want the Trophy and the South Pole first. Then all that you will get is Beta females. If they are smart, then they are crap for sex, if they are better for sex than they probably don't even know how to write a letter or know where Antarctica is? So look out there and notice now - the Alpha and Beta males ...and see exactly where it is that they are Alpha and they are Beta. Alpha Hector was to rule Troy and marry a Beta female. Beta Paris got to have Helen - the Alpha female.

certainly a good contribution
at the cause not the effect
not reactive but just penetrating the world with your ideas.
not stuck in groupthink
a woman interacting with a guy like you would be "sucked in to your frame".
this leads to her becoming invested and aroused.
remember, just express yourself and your ideas in a self amused way and be totally indifferent to what others think of you.
then they will see you are one of those rare men who is grounded in your own ideas (not social conditioning) and they will want to buy in, especially if you express your ideas (however whack) in a fun and playful way.
congratulations  ;)

Lisa Jones finds out where you live and kicks your door in.

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 11:24am:

Lisa Jones finds out where you live and kicks your door in.

I have 'booby' traps waiting for her when she comes  ;)

( Hey Scoot , JaSinner just proved Beta male is best , goes shopping and gets women in his frame ).

chimera wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 12:15pm:

( Hey Scoot , JaSinner just proved Beta male is best , goes shopping and gets women in his frame ).

Beta male is best if you want the 'Better' female  ;)

I have been married nearly 40 years.
I have never made a bed, changed a dirty nappy (although I have changed a few wet ones)
Dont wash, wash up, iron or do housework

I enjoy going shopping ( but not for shoes or clothes)
For two reasons.
1) I get to spend more time with my wife who I love dearly.
2) I get to see whats new in food, and other stuff.

I even enjoy going to markets and fairs.

I do not consider myself an "alpha" male as I find these narcissistic empty vessels boring and lame.
But I am a happy self assured bloke who gets ahead through hard work rather than self promotion and back stabbing.

Pigeon holing oneself into a specific catagory is lame.
This is something trendies do to justify their inabilities to be flexable.
In survival situations, its not the loud mouth "alpha" who survives.
Its the quiet achiever who is flexable enough to roll with the punches, do what has to be done and not require a cheer squad to boost ther ego.

The "alpha" males are those annoying shites who with loud and lame comments wander the office looking for some dizzy dame to latch onto.

No time for them.

Valkie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 12:44pm:

I have been married nearly 40 years. I have never made a bed, changed a dirty nappy (although I have changed a few wet ones) Dont wash, wash up, iron or do housework I enjoy going shopping ( but not for shoes or clothes) For two reasons. 1) I get to spend more time with my wife who I love dearly. 2) I get to see whats new in food, and other stuff. I even enjoy going to markets and fairs. I do not consider myself an "alpha" male as I find these narcissistic empty vessels boring and lame. But I am a happy self assured bloke who gets ahead through hard work rather than self promotion and back stabbing. Pigeon holing oneself into a specific catagory is lame. This is something trendies do to justify their inabilities to be flexable. In survival situations, its not the loud mouth "alpha" who survives. Its the quiet achiever who is flexable enough to roll with the punches, do what has to be done and not require a cheer squad to boost ther ego. The "alpha" males are those annoying shites who with loud and lame comments wander the office looking for some dizzy dame to latch onto. No time for them.

Yes Valkie. You are a good example of a Beta is Better when it comes to relationships.
Alpha males are exactly that.
I'm an Alpha male. My relationships always go to crap.
Hence why I don't bother much anymore and have been Celibate for over 6 years after my marriage crapped out.
I envy Beta males because they always seem happy and content when with their Alpha females.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 6:48am:

i dont want my boy ending up walking round a mall , carrying bags, looking all butt hurt and sad and then cheering himself up by drinking beer, passively watching other men play sport and being told to "take out the trash"

And nor do we, Aquascoot, nor do we.

We want generous contributors, keen to give their time and space to others rather than devouring and consuming and accumulating as much as they can for themselves. We want a world where people refrain from greed and self interest in favour of helping others reach their potential: to each according to their needs, from each according to their means.

We believe the "narrow road to success" results in the rise of entire communities: Gandhi, Mandela, Martin Luther-King. And in history, John the Baptist, Yehesua the Christ, Muhammed, St Francis of Assisi, the Buddha Gautama - people who lead others on a path of fulfillment - fulfillment that comes with less devouring, consumption and accumulation. Just enough food, just enough clothing, just enough shelter, just enough ego and self-interest to help you and your family to survive.

But the faith and determination to move mountains, and the compassion to move the world.

This is the narrow road to success, Aquascoot. The road that leads to power, riches and glory is an empty road indeed. It has no destination. Its ultimate end is poverty and failure. After all, how can one person devour the world?

We will watch this path unfurl in none other than the rise and fall of Donald J Trump, a man who made ugly, bloated displays of wealth and affluence synonymous with his name. A man who has added power to his personal brand, achieving his gilt-encrusted crown and the title of president to add to his Twitter account.

Trump's fall is predestined. He is already tarnished with corruption and hubris. I doubt he'll be impeached, but he will be publicly shamed. His is a false road to success, and this will be displayed for all the world to see. Like great tragedies - Julius Caesar, Mark Anthony, Macbeth - his narrow self-interest will bring him down. All will witness this lesson. For those who want to learn, it will be more valuable than all the fake, gilt kitsch of Trump Tower.

We need alphas and betas. We need all the letters of the alphabet. From each according to their means, from each according to their needs. This is the timeless, narrow road to success. It joins all in harmony and respect for one another. What should you take? But what can you give?

And so it is.

Mrs trump goes shopping , he buys the mall , she slaps his hand , he claps himself , she breaks the frame and winners are grinners.

What a load of stool Karnal.
You definitely are a Beta female. You'ld be pretty crap in bed too. Hence why I prefer my Celibacy as an Alpha male if it means putting up with the likes of you.
Ghandhi was a kiddy fiddler. Mandela was just part of an evil system introduced by the British and at least he knew it and submitted to Sport being the saving grace of South Afrika. The Boers had every right to be there and were 'integrating' with the Bantu peoples before the British ruined the harmony.
Martin Luther King barked up the wrong tree and fell off the branch.
The world was too miserable for John Lennon (and his dope) so someone put him out of his misery.
JFK was a dirty sex addict that used his power to get what he wanted until some husbands teamed up to get an idiot to shoot him.
Princess Diana was a Spencer gold-digger who, when finally jilted, was about to bring the Royals down in any way she could.
Pope John Paul 2nd smiled for the Media but turned a blind eye to the Spiders.

All of them just 'Media' favourites, but not as wonderful as you make them out to be when it came to the 'real' cause and effect.

Gandhiji and Mandela liberated nations, JaSin. Martin Luther-King won his people the vote.

Compare their struggle with the rise of Donald J Trump.

Ever get he feeling you've been cheated?

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 1:41pm:

Gandhiji and Mandela liberated nations, JaSin. Martin Luther-King won his people the vote. Compare their struggle with the rise of Donald J Trump. Ever get he feeling you've been cheated?

Yeah I feel cheated.
I get 'Beta you and not Alpha Lisa Jones.
:P

Jasin wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Valkie wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 12:44pm: I have been married nearly 40 years. I have never made a bed, changed a dirty nappy (although I have changed a few wet ones) Dont wash, wash up, iron or do housework I enjoy going shopping ( but not for shoes or clothes) For two reasons. 1) I get to spend more time with my wife who I love dearly. 2) I get to see whats new in food, and other stuff. I even enjoy going to markets and fairs. I do not consider myself an "alpha" male as I find these narcissistic empty vessels boring and lame. But I am a happy self assured bloke who gets ahead through hard work rather than self promotion and back stabbing. Pigeon holing oneself into a specific catagory is lame. This is something trendies do to justify their inabilities to be flexable. In survival situations, its not the loud mouth "alpha" who survives. Its the quiet achiever who is flexable enough to roll with the punches, do what has to be done and not require a cheer squad to boost ther ego. The "alpha" males are those annoying shites who with loud and lame comments wander the office looking for some dizzy dame to latch onto. No time for them. Yes Valkie. You are a good example of a Beta is Better when it comes to relationships. Alpha males are exactly that. I'm an Alpha male. My relationships always go to crap. Hence why I don't bother much anymore and have been Celibate for over 6 years after my marriage crapped out. I envy Beta males because they always seem happy and content when with their Alpha females.

You sad man?
You believe that you are in control by being celebate?
Its natural selection.
Females realise you could never be any good to them, so they shun you.
Your genes will simply wither and die, never to carry on the pointless self defeating gene.

You are no alpha, no matter how many time you tell yourself that you are.
Real alpha males breed and females are driven to them.

You call me a beta, as if I care what you think.
I am a second tier manager in charge of hundreds of men.
I have a wife I love and who loves me
I have several children and even more grandchildren ( my genes will roam far and wide)

The primary purpose of any species (even you must admit) is to procreate and spread thier genes.

You are a faild branch, never to continue.
Women realize you are a less than adequate example of the species, so they run away.

Finally, have you no testosterone?
Celebate for how long?
As a happily married man, I enjoy a mutually happy and healthy sex life, no celibacy for me.

You are so sad, living only for yourself and actually believing that its your choice.
Sad little man
A gelded stallion is a docile stallion.

And that's only one of Matty's personalities.

.

Valkie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 8:27pm:

Jasin wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 12:51pm: Valkie wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 12:44pm: I have been married nearly 40 years. I have never made a bed, changed a dirty nappy (although I have changed a few wet ones) Dont wash, wash up, iron or do housework I enjoy going shopping ( but not for shoes or clothes) For two reasons. 1) I get to spend more time with my wife who I love dearly. 2) I get to see whats new in food, and other stuff. I even enjoy going to markets and fairs. I do not consider myself an "alpha" male as I find these narcissistic empty vessels boring and lame. But I am a happy self assured bloke who gets ahead through hard work rather than self promotion and back stabbing. Pigeon holing oneself into a specific catagory is lame. This is something trendies do to justify their inabilities to be flexable. In survival situations, its not the loud mouth "alpha" who survives. Its the quiet achiever who is flexable enough to roll with the punches, do what has to be done and not require a cheer squad to boost ther ego. The "alpha" males are those annoying shites who with loud and lame comments wander the office looking for some dizzy dame to latch onto. No time for them. Yes Valkie. You are a good example of a Beta is Better when it comes to relationships. Alpha males are exactly that. I'm an Alpha male. My relationships always go to crap. Hence why I don't bother much anymore and have been Celibate for over 6 years after my marriage crapped out. I envy Beta males because they always seem happy and content when with their Alpha females. You sad man? You believe that you are in control by being celebate? Its natural selection. Females realise you could never be any good to them, so they shun you. Your genes will simply wither and die, never to carry on the pointless self defeating gene. You are no alpha, no matter how many time you tell yourself that you are. Real alpha males breed and females are driven to them. You call me a beta, as if I care what you think. I am a second tier manager in charge of hundreds of men. I have a wife I love and who loves me I have several children and even more grandchildren ( my genes will roam far and wide) The primary purpose of any species (even you must admit) is to procreate and spread thier genes. You are a faild branch, never to continue. Women realize you are a less than adequate example of the species, so they run away. Finally, have you no testosterone? Celebate for how long? As a happily married man, I enjoy a mutually happy and healthy sex life, no celibacy for me. You are so sad, living only for yourself and actually believing that its your choice. Sad little man A gelded stallion is a docile stallion.

So you're just a little Breeder as the Animal Kingdom would say
and nothing more than a White Collar 'process worker'
because White Collars are no different to Blue Collars.
Both just 'process' work - be it Mental or Physical.
They are definitely not Academic or Technical.
Which have to 'create' something new.

A True Alpha is a quiet person who achieves without fanfare or needing to be praised for his performance.... if the womenfolk can't handle that, friends - let me jest say that is plumb awful... and they be spendin' a lot o' time with them fancy 'lectronic vibrator things there.... and friends, that kinda thing jest makes the ol' Duke sick t' his stomach!  If they's all them fancy  Alpha heroes out there.. them gals'd jest be lappin' it up 'stead o' sitting on them dating sites day an' night, friends.... it's sad t' watch...

Hey!  Where IS Billy Jack?  Every time I hold a seance and mention his name.. sure as the postal service - there he is!  Right as the mail....

* shoots page turner**

As for this thread....

http://www.fordaustraliaforums.com/forum/images/smilies/custom/sm_soapbox.gif

..and I have it on reliable advice that the BETA male actively pursues PHILATELY with his own children.... now how perverse is that???  And on top of that, these BETAS pursue MONOGOMY as if it is some kind of religion.... I cannot conceive of anything more detrimental or outright demeaning to any man's character than that!!  ... and there's more! The wimpish Beta male actually CHOOSES to remain tied to one female and produce a solid family, as if he is unable to compete on the dance floor of sleazy clubs... what a statement of personal inferiority!!  Can you beat that??!  As if THAT is any way for this Human Race to advance... let me tell you ... that is the dead end of the race as we know it!.... Women NEED to get out and chase up the lowest, slickest used car salesman type and breed with that kind as THE prototype for the future of this race!  How are their never owned or even known offspring to survive unless they have the solid genetic contribution of the use and abuser, and the basic genetic structure to exploit everyone????  I ask you... what value is there in any Beta male?...           ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

**gag - this thread has more than one thing caught in its throat**  ::)

Meh, housework is just stuff that needs to be done and the person who has the most time free does it, then jobs are allocated by who does them most effeciantly.

I can sew and iron better than wife.

I'm the only one who scoops the dog crap from the yard, must look into that.

".. I ask you.. part from everything good and reliable about society - what else have the Beta males done for us, eh?"

"they did build the highways..."

"And the sewers.."

"and set up law and order to protect everyone equally... you have to admit that!"..

"they established homes and protection for families... to the great benefit of women even if they were geared to chase loses..."

"All right.. All RIGHT!  So apart from that, what else have the Beta males done for us?"

"Served the country and died in battle for it?"

"All right.. all right..."

"made sure that everyone got a feed and a roof over their head!"

(yeah.. yeah.. that's a good one.. they did that for sure...)

"Pay attention, lads... the issue here is What Have The Beta Males DONE for us?"

"All of the above?"

"Well - how do you reckon they did that?"

"Ummm - by suggesting to the Alpha that if he didn't toe the line, he'd be assassinated by fifty of them?  Or cast out as a loser who pumped the sheilas but wouldn't look after his kids?  And then relied on the Betas to pick up the slack???"

"All right... ALL RIGHT... let's move on then, shall we.... how many Alphas here are interested in the next raid against the oppressing class with all the guns and stuff?"

(silence)...

"Well... how many Betas?"

(silence)...

*turns to sidekick*

"Get me a list of those beta pricks who wouldn't toe the party line her.. they're on the next mission!"....

Gordon wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 10:20pm:

Meh, housework is just stuff that needs to be done and the person who has the most time free does it, then jobs are allocated by who does them most effeciantly. I can sew and iron better than wife. I'm the only one who scoops the dog crap from the yard, must look into that.

Yes, Gordon, but you're intact.

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 10:20pm: Meh, housework is just stuff that needs to be done and the person who has the most time free does it, then jobs are allocated by who does them most effeciantly. I can sew and iron better than wife. I'm the only one who scoops the dog crap from the yard, must look into that. Yes, Gordon, but you're intact.

The second X chromosome is a Y with a bi split in the middle........ (ouch)...

While the Alpha Male is off being 'the best'.
And the Alpha Female is raising the kids.

...Beta Male and Beta Female are having an affair to make up for what they are not.

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 6:48am: i dont want my boy ending up walking round a mall , carrying bags, looking all butt hurt and sad and then cheering himself up by drinking beer, passively watching other men play sport and being told to "take out the trash" And nor do we, Aquascoot, nor do we. We want generous contributors, keen to give their time and space to others rather than devouring and consuming and accumulating as much as they can for themselves. We want a world where people refrain from greed and self interest in favour of helping others reach their potential: to each according to their needs, from each according to their means. We believe the "narrow road to success" results in the rise of entire communities: Gandhi, Mandela, Martin Luther-King. And in history, John the Baptist, Yehesua the Christ, Muhammed, St Francis of Assisi, the Buddha Gautama - people who lead others on a path of fulfillment - fulfillment that comes with less devouring, consumption and accumulation. Just enough food, just enough clothing, just enough shelter, just enough ego and self-interest to help you and your family to survive. But the faith and determination to move mountains, and the compassion to move the world. This is the narrow road to success, Aquascoot. The road that leads to power, riches and glory is an empty road indeed. It has no destination. Its ultimate end is poverty and failure. After all, how can one person devour the world? We will watch this path unfurl in none other than the rise and fall of Donald J Trump, a man who made ugly, bloated displays of wealth and affluence synonymous with his name. A man who has added power to his personal brand, achieving his gilt-encrusted crown and the title of president to add to his Twitter account. Trump's fall is predestined. He is already tarnished with corruption and hubris. I doubt he'll be impeached, but he will be publicly shamed. His is a false road to success, and this will be displayed for all the world to see. Like great tragedies - Julius Caesar, Mark Anthony, Macbeth - his narrow self-interest will bring him down. All will witness this lesson. For those who want to learn, it will be more valuable than all the fake, gilt kitsch of Trump Tower. We need alphas and betas. We need all the letters of the alphabet. From each according to their means, from each according to their needs. This is the timeless, narrow road to success. It joins all in harmony and respect for one another. What should you take? But what can you give?

Karnal.

i thank you for your response.

the alpha/beta distinction is probably "old school" and maybe we need a new terminology.

maybe we could use those on the path to joy, passion and contentment and those who are not.

if we consider the path of joy passion and contentment a "superior" path, then i am happy to label such a man a "superior man".

you misunderstand if you think i admire trump because he has $$$ and babes.  I admire him as a man who takes "massive action".

you see, the path to inferiority is virtually gauranteed if you complain, sook, whine, give up, get butt hurt and focus on "me, me, me and my sad little story".

can i ask you 2 things

1.  did gandhi, the buddha, john the baptist, jesus, Mo, or mandella    sook, whine, complain, get butt hurt, give up or focus on their "rough little life".

2.  can you not see that modern man and modern governments have an obsession,  with encouraging and enabling people to feel entitled,to whine and sook and complain, to get really really upset when things dont "go their way".  can you not see this behaviour in those who did not vote for trump and now focus on their pain rather then getting on with being joyful, passionate and content.


your spiritually enlightened examples would not be pleased.

also, many of those who pretend to be spiritually enlightened are those who passively go and sit with a guru. (again this is not taking action).
if you want good examples of modern day people who are "on the narrow road to success", there are plenty of war veterans who lost legs who got on with being joyful, there are plenty of people who have been thru great hardship, took the pain as a lesson in growth (instead of becoming a victim) and used the pain to fuel an upward spiral.
i would study these people and what they did.

get yourself around success.

stories on victim groups, penalty rates, obamacare, discrimination....these are for people who want to "identify" with pain .

your gurus had plenty of pain. they welcomed it. they loved it. they used it. its what defined them.

the world is very very harsh...fat steve needs to face that before he can do any growing at all. having lefties try to make the government get rid of all fat steves pain by pandering to him is depriving steve of the evolutionary pressure he desperately needs.

Jasin wrote on Jul 20^th, 2017 at 12:14am:

While the Alpha Male is off being 'the best'. And the Alpha Female is raising the kids. ...Beta Male and Beta Female are having an affair to make up for what they are not.

Sounds like Islam is the most Alpha feminist thing then..... bring back Yassmin.... come home - all is forgiven... the truth is out (there somewhere).....

Beta Man is a bridge between ape and Super-man?  Wow.......

While the so called celibate alpha male is off beating his chest and acting tough.

The beta male is screwing all the shelas and making babies.

The alpha female tells the celebate, infertile alpha that the kids are his.

The beta watches as the alpha male raises his kids for him and the alpha female smiles and winks at the beta male.

Such is life