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Title: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:42am
Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Australia
The existence and scale of Islamophobia in Australia has been hotly debated. While Muslims insist it is real and of significant scale, it has been either denied or downplayed in wider circles. The main reason why Islamophobia has not been taken seriously could be due to the lack of quality data on the issue. Most research to date focused on surveys conducted on the negative sentiments of non-Muslims. But our new study reports on actual Islamophobic incidents, and stands to change how Islamophobia is viewed in Australia. The report is based on 243 cases of verified Islamophobic incidents collected over 14 months in 2014-15. In this respect, this is the first study of its kind anywhere in the world. Acquiring data on Islamophobic incidents has been notoriously difficult, as Muslims are generally averse to reporting and there were no safe avenues to turn to until the Islamophobia Register of Australia was established in 2014. In the first two weeks of the register, 33 incidents were reported. It is safe to assume that the 243 reports are only the tip of the iceberg. The simplest definition of Islamophobia is the special form of racism revealing “indiscriminate negative attitudes or emotions directed at Islam and Muslims”. An Islamophobic incident is any act comprising of abusive hatred, vilification and violence inflicted on Muslims going about their daily lives. The report verified incidents by contacting people involved and checking facts and analysed and classified them as online or offline, levels of severity, where and how they happened, the vulnerability of victims, nature of the abuse, and its impact on victims. Key findings of the report Women, especially those with Islamic head covering (79.6% of the female victims), have been the main targets of Islamophobia. One-in-three female victims had their children with them at the time of the reported incident. One woman said: Her voice got louder so I’m not sure if they started to follow me on foot, but once I entered the medical centre on Pitt Street, I didn’t hear or see anything else from them. I am 19 weeks pregnant and have never felt so afraid/vulnerable in my life … I thought they were going to physically try harming my daughter and I. There were lots of passers-by who didn’t come to my aid … Of the perpetrators, 98% were identified by those who reported it as ethnically Anglo-Celtic. Perpetrators were three times more likely to be male. While lone males were more likely to be the perpetrator, lone Muslim women tended to be the victims. After verbal threats and assaults, physical harassment was the second highest category of incidents (29.6%). Most reported physical assaults occurred in New South Wales (60%) and Victoria (26.7%). Queensland was notably high considering the relative small population of Muslims in that state. Of the in-person Islamophobic attacks, 48% occurred in crowded spaces that were frequented daily – shopping centres and train stations were the most common. I was walking with my head down and a group of young males yelled out “ISIS BITCH”, “go back to where you came from” and snickered and said “shh or she’ll behead you”. And followed me down the street. None of the train staff helped me out or stopped them. This is expected, as Muslims are more likely to encounter Islamophobes in crowded public places. What is worrying is that the attacks occur in front of children and large number of bystanders, risking the normalisation of Islamophobia. Further, nobody intervened in 75% of the reported incidents, even though half the incidents occurred in crowded public places. Encouragingly, though, one-in-four public incidents received intervention by non-Muslims, and interestingly non-Muslims constituted about 25% of the witness reporters. Said one witness: Today I witnessed two males around late 40s or so verbally abusing a group of around six ladies wearing headscarves, with their children … one of the men was yelling at them “it’s your own smacking fault, you’re not wanted here” … I asked the women if they were OK, a couple of them nodded at me and smiled shyly. Online incidents were characterised by severe expression of hatred and vilification and wanting to harm Muslims. Of the 132 online incidents, 37% targeted individuals by name, and in 51.4% threatened to harm the target. In one case, a perpetrator wrote about a Muslim childcare in Perth: Wait till it’s full n burn the joint down. Filthy scumbags. There was a correlation between a rise of Islamophobic incidents with public protests, debate on legislation affecting Muslims, sieges and terror attacks, irrespective of whether they occurred in Australia or abroad. Significantly, terrorism was explicitly referred to in only 11% of incidents. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:43am
Responding to the report
There are three possible responses to the report. The first is to explain Islamophobia as the unfortunate outcome of international conflicts, threat of terrorism, and radicalisation. While this approach may seem to explain the rise of Islamophobia, it shifts the blame to victims: innocent ordinary Australian Muslims. The reality is that victims have nothing to do with international conflicts, terrorism or radicalisation. They are simply at the receiving end of the anger and rage caused by the Islamophobic generalisation that something is inherently wrong with Muslims and Islam. Significantly, evidence presented in the report suggests that Islamophobia is not rooted in Islamic terrorism as previously thought but rooted in Muslims’ presence in Australia. The second possible response is to whitewash the report with the fear that recognition of Islamophobia could be interpreted as an admission of something inherently wrong with Australian society. Muslims have been raising the issue of Islamophobia consistently, especially in the aftermath of 9/11 and the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. The reaction has often been the attitude – Australians always pick on the latest arrivals, it seems it is the Muslims’ turn, it will soon go away as it did for others in the past. The problem is it is not going away: it is increasing. Recognition of Islamophobia does not diminish the achievements of Australian society and the success of its multiculturalism. It will merely highlight a social problem that cannot be ignored or downplayed any longer. The third response is the proper democratic one – take the findings of this report seriously and invest in further research and policy development. The report is an opportunity to openly discuss Islamophobia so that strategies could be developed to counter it as a national threat and societal problem. An important aspect of Australian liberal democracy is the protection of its minorities. Minorities do not always have a voice in politics or media, and can often find themselves overwhelmed by negative perceptions and antagonism. https://theconversation.com/islamophobia-is-still-raising-its-ugly-head-in-australia-80682 |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by John Smith on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:46am mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:42am:
what a bunch of wannabe hero's >:( >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:48am John Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:46am:
And one out of three times, they have children with them. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:51am John Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:46am:
Islamophobic cowards. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:55am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:51am:
do you not find those who spend their day insulting people on a cyber forum such as ozpol.. just as bad greg?.... cowards that is?.. is there really all that much difference?.. I too have been told to go back where you came from.. or even pommie bastard...... hey I am still here they didnt get rid of me.. ;) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by red baron on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:59am
Its quite simply really
Australia's migrants over the years have not presented to Clear and Present danger that elements of the Muslim Community offer now With the rise of I.S.I.S. and the known existence of terrorist cells in Australia; many wait for the almost certain prospect that these radicals will cut loose on a community that is used to trust and safety THAT is the essential difference between the Muslims and other migrants to this Country It only takes a small element to destabilise a Country and those elements already exist |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:04am red baron wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:59am:
yep Muslims have ISIS... the rest of us have Islamphobes... seems like two new diseases have been identified.. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:04am red baron wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:59am:
Such ignorance ::) It's no wonder we have so many cowardly young men running around abusing innocent women, when the older generation come out with complete & utter nonsense like this. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:09am cods wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:55am:
I'm no coward, cods. I would call any of these Islamophobes 'Islamophobic cowards' directly to their face. I would not, however, stoop to verbal threats, assault, or physical harassment. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:18am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:04am:
me thinks the ignorance is on the other foot to be honest..on top of the rudeness.. you dismiss others for their take on such a serious subject.. you believe your faultless and can rubbish peoples opinions by calling them yet another NAME.. you dont want to discuss what they are saying you just dismiss it.....really greg I am surprised anyone tried to debate on any thread you come on to... in fact I just might stop doing so.. >:( >:( I am so sick of the name calling not my idea of debate Quote:
self promotion doesnt do it for me... you are a coward! I doubt very much you have ever said that to anyones face..but you do it endlessly on here...{cowards castle].. islamphobes are no worse than denialists.... |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by bogarde73 on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:23am
The is no such thing as Islamophobia except in the twisted minds of such as mothra.
There is however a healthy & necessary aversion to the acceptance of the growth of an alien and invasive culture, as the Europeans are gradually finding. Mothra needs to find a professional who can give her a reality check. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:27am bogarde73 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:23am:
Spoken like a true Islamophobe. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:28am bogarde73 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:23am:
oh come on boges greg is just as much in a state of denial in fact at times I think hes worse.... we do have a few really anti Muslims on here no doubt about that....but we also have a few who refuse to see other points of few as being somewhat valid...Brian Ross is another one....ridged to the cause if you like.... as we see some Muslims put up with a lot of abuse and I agree it isnt nice not nice at all.. but then I dont think calling people islamphobes every time they open their mouths is nice either.. >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:29am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:27am:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:29am cods wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:18am:
I dismiss red's comments because nothing he said was true. It has nothing to do with debate, or opinion. Red's post was wrong, to the very last word. This is just a simple fact. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:31am cods wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:28am:
Not points of view. Lies. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:59am cods wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:04am:
No. ISIS uses Islam. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:26pm
Muslims the victims again??? Don't remember Lebbo Muslim women being raped "aussie" style.
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:28pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:26pm:
Alcohol can produce detectable impairments in memory after only a few drinks and, as the amount of alcohol increases, so does the degree of impairment. Large quantities of alcohol, especially when consumed quickly and on an empty stomach, can produce a blackout, or an interval of time for which the intoxicated person cannot recall key details of events, or even entire events. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by BigOl64 on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:30pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:31am:
And you know all about lies, don't you |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:30pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:28pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by BigOl64 on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:32pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 11:59am:
Who is ISIS? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:32pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:30pm:
They haven't been busted yet, Homo. What about terrorist attacks against Asians? "Throughout the 1980s, West Australian Australian Nationalist Movement, led by van Tongeren, engaged in a series of bombings of Asian restaurants and businesses, political violence, murder of a suspected informant and other acts to intimidate the Asians in Western Australia." Oh dear. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by freediver on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:33pm
Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them.
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:33pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
Funny , can't remember white nationalists busted committing and planning terrorist attacks against Muslims in Australia? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:34pm BigOl64 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:30pm:
Absolutely. The right wing extremists in here post them every day. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:35pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:33pm:
They haven't been busted yet, Homo. You'll remember it when it happens. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:37pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:26pm:
Did the women and children in the OP do something to offend you, Hammer? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:39pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:35pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:40pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:40pm BigOl64 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
The group you and fellow Islamophobes play right into the hands of. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:43pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:43pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
"all the crimes" ? Homo, this man is responsible for more terrorist attacks in Australia than any other person: The majority of terrorist attacks, murders, and rapes in this country are carried out by non-Muslims. What part of that don't you understand? Or, is it just your memory failing you again? "Large quantities of alcohol, especially when consumed quickly and on an empty stomach, can produce a blackout, or an interval of time for which the intoxicated person cannot recall key details of events, or even entire events." |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:45pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:43pm:
Why would you want to have a better opinion of ISIS, Homo? They're violent cowards. Ah! I might have just answered my own question there. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:45pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:43pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:45pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
What crimes did these women and children commit? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:48pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:45pm:
He's a non-Muslim, Homo. That's the point you're trying to cover up. He's a non-Muslim citizen of Australia, and he's committed more terrorist attacks in this country than all the Islamic attacks combined. Do you have a picture of this man on your wall, Homo? I'm curious. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:49pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:45pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:50pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:49pm:
What crimes did the people in my Chinese restaurant commit? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:51pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:48pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:52pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:49pm:
They were attacked by a mad man. Are you saying the people that attacked these innocent women and children are mad? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:54pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:50pm:
The Sydney Yugoslav General Trade and Tourist Agency bombing occurred in Haymarket, Sydney on 16 September 1972; the attack injured sixteen people. The perpetrators of the attack were believed to be Croatian separatists. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:55pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:52pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:55pm
;D
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:56pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:55pm:
That certainly seems to be what you are arguing. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:56pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:51pm:
We're talking about Islamophobes. White, lone, Islamophobic cowards who attack innocent women and children. You know the type, Homo. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:56pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:52pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:58pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:50pm:
Homo? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:58pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:59pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
What on earth have they got to do with the innocent women and children in the reports, Hammer? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:00pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:58pm:
What do they have to do with the innocent women and children in the reports, Hammer? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by BigOl64 on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:00pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:43pm:
So you are saying thay 97.4% of the population commit more crimes than the muslim 2.6% of the population, are you? Would you like to explain how 2.6% of the population make up 80% of the NSW Super Max prison population? Based on your initial assertion of how innocent the muslim population is in this country. You might want to point out ALL your example are not even from this century and have little or no bearing in the current situation. :) :) :) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:01pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
"all the other" ? Homo, this man is responsible for more terrorist plots and attacks in Australia than any other person: The majority of terrorist plots & attacks, murders, rapes, and cowardly attacks on innocent women & children in this country are carried out by non-Muslims. Have you forgotten that? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:02pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:02pm
:D
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:03pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:02pm:
Your Islamophobia plays right into the hands of ISIS. Can't you see the connection, Homo? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:03pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:01pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:04pm BigOl64 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
Are you arguing that the innocent women and children in the report as somehow complicit with the 32 Muslim men in supermax? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:04pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:06pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
Yes, of late. These cowardly Islamophobic attacks on innocent women and children that you seem to support, are carried out by non-Muslims. I thought that would have been obvious to you. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:06pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:02pm:
I see no logical reason to attack innocent women and children, Hammer. I think it's frightening that you do. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:06pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:43pm:
thats right "homo" why dont you understand that excuses anyone else from everything... did he kill more than 9/11 .. who cares he killed more in Australia thats all that matters.. >:( >:( >:( forget Mosul homo.. :( :( :( god this thread has gone from worse to worse.. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:09pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
yeah homo lets forget Mosul...no cowardly attack there I am sure.all above board and fair.. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:10pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:04pm:
Most acts of violence in this country are not perpetrated by Muslims. Moreover, the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Australia are peace loving. Do you think attacking them serves any purpose than to contribute towards the kind of disunity and hatred that breeds terrorists ? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:11pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:04pm:
This guy flew here, and he's not a Muslim. He's responsible for more terrorist plots and attacks in this country than all the Islamic terrorists combined. This guy flew here too, thanks to your Liberal Party, and he was then granted refugee status, given Australian citizenship, and went on to kill an innocent hostage, all under the watchful eye of your beloved Liberal Party. Your fear of boats, lefties, and Muslims is completely irrational, Homo. How does that feel? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:14pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:10pm:
never attacked them personally. been attacked by them though. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by BigOl64 on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:15pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Why are 80% of the most violent reprehensible scumbags in the NSW Super Max Prison are muslims is it all the peace? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:16pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:10pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:17pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:14pm:
Here we go! ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:17pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:14pm:
Yet you spread ignorance, intolerance and prejudice on social media and justify and refuse to condemn attacks against innocent women and children. Do you not see yourself as being part of the problem? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:18pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:17pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by BigOl64 on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:18pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:04pm:
Jeez that was an extra-ordinarily stupid reply. Nothing at all to do with what you are talking about, ONLY about the highlight bit that greg posted |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:19pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:17pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:20pm BigOl64 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:15pm:
You much prefer saying 80% to 32 people, don't you BigOl. Serves your agenda better. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:20pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:16pm:
Flown to Australia, by the rightards. Granted refugee status, by the rightards. Given Australian citizenship, by the rightards. Allowed to kill an innocent hostage, by the rightards. Dear oh dear. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:22pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:20pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:23pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:20pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:25pm "Of the perpetrators, 98% were identified by those who reported it as ethnically Anglo-Celtic. Perpetrators were three times more likely to be male. While lone males were more likely to be the perpetrator, lone Muslim women tended to be the victims." You know the type, don't you BigHole and Hammer? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by BigOl64 on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:26pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:20pm:
Are you trying to apologise for the fact that muslims make up the bulk of NSWs most violent offenders? You were the one gilding the lily with your bullsh1t statements, I just handed you some facts, as unpalatable as they may be to you. How is this then 97.4% of NSWs population only make up 20% of the Super Max population, and NONE of them are muslims. :) :) :) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:28pm "After verbal threats and assaults, physical harassment was the second highest category of incidents (29.6%). Most reported physical assaults occurred in New South Wales (60%) and Victoria (26.7%). Queensland was notably high considering the relative small population of Muslims in that state." You live in NSW, don't you Homo? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:28pm
32 men, BigOl.
Don't be hysterical now. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:30pm
Always interesting to see on here the instances that the righties think it is perfectly acceptable to attack women and children.
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:33pm "Of the in-person Islamophobic attacks, 48% occurred in crowded spaces that were frequented daily – shopping centres and train stations were the most common." What's your nearest train station, Homo? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by BigOl64 on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:44pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:25pm:
Nice accusation fkktard. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by BigOl64 on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:55pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
32 terrorists / potential terrorists, mass murderers, rapists of white women, is an acceptable number to you, consider the small population they come from? It is a serious warning to not allow anymore m muslims into the country if anything. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:59pm BigOl64 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:44pm:
It's not an accusation. It's a statistic. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by BigOl64 on Jul 11th, 2017 at 2:36pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 1:59pm:
Statistics usually have numbers, they did when I went to uni. :) :) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:01pm BigOl64 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 2:36pm:
Look at the bit I've highlighted for you. Where I come from, that's called a number. I'd be interested in hearing your interpretation. Also: "when I went to uni" ;D |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:07pm
Islamophobia: My children hear the ugly reality of racism in the street, it's not up to them to toughen up
Dropping my children off to their Islamic school one morning, a car slowed down and one of the male occupants yelled out, "bugger off Arab terrorists". My children processed the "F" word first and foremost. I remember the relief that he had used the "F" word, given it deflected the children's attention from "Arab" and "terrorist". The children did not seem to have understood what had happened, but weeks later, the radio was on and they heard the words "Muslim" and "terrorists". "Like what that man said," the eldest said, casually and matter-of-factly. Then they started asking me questions: "Do people hate Muslims? What's a terrorist?" It was one of the most difficult conversations of my life. Trying to say enough, but not too much. Wanting to protect their innocence for as long as I could. Sadly, what happened to my children and me pales in comparison to what many veiled Muslim women endure. The findings documented in the report of the Islamophobia Register of Australia demonstrate how much more vicious and violent such incidents of abuse, intimidation and harassment can be. The report found veiled women are the main targets of Islamophobic abuse and that more than 30 per cent of women had their children with them at the time of the reported incident. The presence of children at the time women have been followed and taunted, intimidated by groups of men or physically harassed is deeply disturbing. It vindicates the repeated testimonies of Muslim women, particularly veiled ones, that they are at the front line of Islamophobic abuse given their visibility and the misogynistic cowardice of perpetrators. There can be no doubt witnessing such abuse negatively affects Australian Muslim children. All parents seek to protect their children from the ugly realities of racism. Yet racialised minorities do not have the luxury of choosing when to open up such conversations. They do not have the luxury of speaking about race and Islamophobia in intellectual terms, as part of classroom conversations or Harmony Day assemblies. Islamophobia is forced upon families as a lived experience and children are therefore confronted with a confusing chasm between feel-good multicultural rhetoric and the abuse they witness in their daily lives. Tough conversations to have What is so often missing in conversations around racism is the emotional and intellectual labour the targets of abuse must invest to protect themselves and their children. There are so many complex and fraught conversations to unpack — consoling children in the immediate aftermath of an incident, navigating their questions, working out how to frame the "debriefing" conversation in a way that does not patronise them by downplaying what happened, explaining why nobody intervened, convincing them that the onus is not on Muslims (or indeed any racialised group) to adjust their practices in order to avoid the personal cost of visibility. Layered over all of these concerns is an overarching fear one's children will become disillusioned, pessimistic and mistrusting about their capacity to flourish and carve out their own rightful place and future in their own country. This is why we need to understand racism and Islamophobia is about exercising power over minorities long after the abuse and intimidation. Racialised minorities must unfairly bear the onus of teaching their children "resilience". Even as they are told to "go back to where you came from" or that they do not belong, they must redeem Australia to their children. And this is why it is critical interpersonal incidents of abuse are absolutely connected to the Islamophobia that is mainstreamed in policies, political rhetoric, legislation and the media. Kids understand more than we think Children are not naive. When an Australian Muslim child asks their parents, "Why do they hate us?" — as many Muslim parents attest to being asked — their question connects the dots between an incident of abuse and what they are repeatedly exposed to on the news and in media headlines. We live in a time where simply switching off the television is not enough. Political and media discourse is ubiquitous and often unavoidable. This is what is so often under-estimated in our conversations around racism and Islamophobia. It is not acceptable for politicians, the media and social commentators to limit condemnation to the man who yells at a Muslim woman in front of her child while ignoring the political conditions which animate and indeed foster such abuse. It is not enough to question the impact of "go back to where you came from" on a child without simultaneously questioning the impact of policies that construct Muslim children and young adults as vulnerable to "radicalisation". This is about more than the rhetoric of belonging. What Muslim parents want is to be able to convince themselves and their children they will not be denied the right to more than mere belonging. That their children will not grow up compelled to construct identities based on disclaimers (not terrorist/not radical). That their children can dream — big or small. That they can safely elaborate their own identity and possibilities for their future free from emotional, mental and physical abuse. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-10/children-see-the-ugly-reality-of-racism/8694278 |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by BigOl64 on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:15pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:01pm:
Check the highlight, that is the ONLY thing I was replying to fkktard. In future do not mention me in one of your moronic posts and you won't have to justify you self. Y fkken clown. Believe it or not I don't give a fkk about the rag heads and their pathetic problems, just make sure they die in gaol and we will all be better off. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:17pm BigOl64 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:15pm:
Well, you do know the type, don't you? "Of the perpetrators, 98% [that's a number, by the way] were identified by those who reported it as ethnically Anglo-Celtic. "Perpetrators were three times more likely to be male. While lone males were more likely to be the perpetrator, lone Muslim women tended to be the victims." |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Rhino on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:34pm
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Rhino on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:37pm
Lol. And where did these statistics come from?
Turns out they were fabricated by this blog site. http://www.islamophobia.com.au/ Quote:
mothra and pecca owned. lol. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Aussie on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:37pm BigOl64 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:15pm:
Of course it was BigOl, and you can prove it because you said this: Quote:
It's obvious to everyone that when you posted that you were referring to this: Quote:
He's got you there, Mr Peccary. Fair 'n square. ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:41pm
You do struggle, don't you Rhino.
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Rhino on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:46pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:41pm:
I wouldnt call owning you immediately on this issue with one post a struggle, but then you arent known for your intellectual insights. Now spend the next 12 hours denying those statistics are fabricated. Lol. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Rhino on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:48pm
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:49pm rhino wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:46pm:
No need. You're beyond ridiculous. I'm sure your fellow Islamophobes will be happy you've provided them with an out though. I doubt they read or understood the article either. That's good enough for you though, we know. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:56pm Aussie wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
He's got you there, Mr Peccary. Fair 'n square. ::) [/quote] Yeah, I had a little chuckle at that one. As soon as I point out the numbers, he completely changes his story. Too funny ;D |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by aquascoot on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:57pm
i see scientists have discovered that the brain patterns and brain chemistry of drug addicts is very similar to the brain patterns and brain chemistry of internet addicts.
the little hit of dopamine from each response is very similar to that little hit provided by cocaine or heroin. and just like cocaine or heroin addicts, those who are addicted need to "up the ante" to get the same release of pleasure hormones. i think there can be no other reason for mothra and greg starting thread after thread in which they seek, not to educate but to feed their internet addiction. i would implore those of the noble right, not to supply the drug that these addicts seek. please, do not do any more damage to their brains. their brains are already broken and only by switching off their internet connection can we hope to slowly wean them off this powerful drug |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:58pm rhino wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
"fabricated" ;D |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by gandalf on Jul 11th, 2017 at 6:51pm
I have no idea why Rhino thinks the register is fabricated.
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11th, 2017 at 6:59pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
He doesn't think. That's his problem. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Rhino on Jul 11th, 2017 at 7:00pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
Because there are no correlating statistics, there are simply numbers offered which they claim they received from members of the public. No evidence of source, simply a claim that x amount of people were abused. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 7:01pm
I find it amazing how Muslims are somehow the victims??
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 11th, 2017 at 7:01pm
;D
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Rhino on Jul 11th, 2017 at 7:14pm
To be honest, I get out and about a fair bit and I cant remember when I have witnessed any overt hostility towards any Muslim female. Not saying it doesnt happen but it is exceedingly rare I would suggest. These days everyone has a mobile phone with recording capability, they would be all over the internet if these incidents were in epidemic proportion.
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Frank on Jul 11th, 2017 at 8:29pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 10:43am:
Mehmet Ozalp Associate Professor in Islamic Studies, Director of The Centre for Islamic Studies and Civilisation and Executive Member of Public and Contextual Theology, Charles Sturt University Associate Professor Mehmet Ozalp is a theologian, author and academic. Mehmet received his Bachelor Degree from the University of NSW in 1991. He studied Islamic theology and religious disciplines between 1990 to 1998. He has completed Masters in Religion from the University of Sydney. He has also completed various professional courses in management and leadership. Mehmet has been teaching religious and Islamic studies since 1992. He was one of the first to teach Islamic courses in English from 2000 onwards. He has developed and written material for numerous courses on Islamic theology, history and contemporary issues around Islam, including a four-year advanced course titled Theology of Qur'an. Mehmet has lectured in Islamic courses as part of Sydney University's Continuing Education Program from 2003 to 2008. He has also lectured on Islamic theology, culture and history at the University of Newcastle. Mehmet is one of the co-founders of Affinity Intercultural Foundation in 2000, an organisation fostered intercultural and interfaith harmony in Australia. In 2009, Mehmet founded ISRA Australia, an educational and research organisation focusing on providing information and educational services on Islam and Muslims. Mehmet was a member of Harmony Reference Group established by the NSW Premier Bob Carr in 2003. Mehmet has been the recipient of the following awards: CSU Professional Excellence Award 2012 Muslim Role Model of the Year Award 2012 Australian Bluestar Award - Education 2011 Mehmet is the author of three books: 101 Questions You Asked About Islam and Islam in the Modern World and Islam between Tradition and Modernity: An Australian Perspective. He has also co-authored Sustained Dialogue: Close Encounters of the Muslim-Christian Kind Mehmet also published book chapters and journal articles. https://arts-ed.csu.edu.au/centres/cisac/staff/profiles/director/mehmet-ozalp But does Mehmet speak for Islam? Er... no. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Frank on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:46pm rhino wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 7:14pm:
I agree. I would add that Muslim women are treated appallingly in Muslim countries, far worse than the worse they get in the West. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Frank on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:48pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
It's a cunning Koranic plan, my Lord. Casting themselves as victims, they can justify every act of violence for Allah and Mohammed as 'self-defence'. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Brian Ross on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:51pm
How interesting that the prime Islamophobes here deny that they are practising or witnessing Islamophobia... ::) ::) ::)
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 13th, 2017 at 12:39pm Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
Interesting. What acts of violence to you suppose the women and the children of the OP have committed? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 13th, 2017 at 12:44pm Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Ah. As long as you don't treat them as bad as they're treated in Muslim countries, you can treat them how you like. Interesting. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 13th, 2017 at 12:48pm Muslims raise their ugly heads in Australia. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 13th, 2017 at 12:52pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 12:48pm:
10/10 |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by BigOl64 on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:27pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 12:44pm:
I doubt even the most racist islamophobe would muster the appalling behaviour of a muslim country dealing with women. You can not even compare Australian racists and how the religion of peace and their most feminist treatment of women, can you? images__2__006.jpg (12 KB | 30
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:32pm BigOl64 wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
As long as you don't treat them as bad as they're treated in Muslim countries, you can treat them how you like. Got it. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Grendel on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:38pm
Islamophobia...
the fear of being blown to bits by lovely Muslims. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Grendel on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:38pm
Islamophobia...
the fear of being beheaded by lovely Muslims. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Grendel on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:40pm
Islamophobia...
the fear of having your children blown to bits by lovely Muslims. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:40pm Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:38pm:
Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:41pm Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:40pm:
Hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:41pm Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:38pm:
Islamophobia is prejudice towards or discrimination against Muslims due to their religion, or perceived religious, national, or ethnic identity associated with Islam. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Grendel on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:42pm
Islamophobia...
the fear of being thrown off buildings for being gay by lovely Muslims. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Grendel on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:43pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:46pm Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:42pm:
Unreasonable dislike or fear of, and prejudice against, Muslims or Islam. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:46pm Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:43pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Grendel on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:02pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Grendel on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:04pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Grendel on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:05pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Grendel on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:06pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Grendel on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:09pm
Ah thanks Gweggy.... for nothing.
Now why is it you keep failing to address the real reasons for so-called "Islamophobia" hmmmm? Your defn is a load of malarky... just more PC rubbish you've managed to amass and assimilate eh? :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:21pm Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:09pm:
The reasons for Islamophobia? That's easy. Ignorance and misinformation. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Setanta on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:25pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
There is no unreasonable dislike of Islam. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:42pm Setanta wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
shhh set... gweggy is an authority on islamphobics.. nothing he doesnt know about them.. ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:43pm cods wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
They're ignorant and misinformed. That's all I need to know about them. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by freediver on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:53pm
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Aussie on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:55pm freediver wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:53pm:
Nasty, that stutter. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Frank on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:17pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
What do you know about Islam and Muslims that the world doesn't? What makes the world ignorant and misinformed while you are in the know? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Frank on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:18pm Aussie wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:55pm:
What comfort does Islam give you, ARsie? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:21pm Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:17pm:
I'm not saying the whole world is ignorant and misinformed. I'm saying that Islamophobes are ignorant and misinformed. Why? Because they're ignorant and misinformed. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Valkie on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:51pm
Not long ago it was reported that people wearing crosses were being attacked and their crosses stolen and damaged.
They were advised to remove their crosses rather than be attacked. ATTACKED, NOT JUST CALLED A NAME . But there was no outcry from the Christian bashers in this forum. No. But someone insults a muzzo and its all SOOOOOO BADDDDDD. Perhaps if they didnt wear the stooopid hood covering, the woukd have less issues. What do they want? Everyone to penuflect to them when we jump out of the way so that they can march along and be superior. They account for less than 3% of the population Yet create more trouble, complain more and cause more aggrivation than the rest of the population combined. If they dont like it...........PISS ORF |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:55pm Valkie wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:51pm:
I hear ya, Valkie. Perhaps if women didn't wear such skimpy clothing, they would get raped less too. Tell it like it is, brother. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:56pm Valkie wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:51pm:
First I've heard of this. Is there a thread on it? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:08pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
Are we allowed to drink and stay out late? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:10pm mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:08pm:
Yeah, right ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Valkie on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:23pm mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:08pm:
I dont care what you do. But I expect the same level of respect. Dont tell me that Australian women, who dress for the climate, are cat food for muzzos. Dont tell me that we should force our women to dress in the rediculious garb that makes them stand out and isolates them from everyone. Dont insult me, my religion or my culture. But thats not how muzzos workmis it They have to have the women and children coverd because the retarded men cannot control themselves They have to insult anything and everything that is not according to this barbaric, twisted, pedophile infested primitive cult. Now pull you little hood over your head and bow down to the man that is worth twice what you are (according to sharia law) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Brian Ross on Jul 15th, 2017 at 5:29pm Valkie wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:23pm:
Move along folks, move along. It's just Valkie showing his ignorant Islamophobia again. Tsk, tsk, I wonder why he bothers, I really do. I wonder where he was when various Christian leaders have attacked Australians for wearing bikinis and other revealing gear, using it to blame them when they get raped, hey? Of course, that goes by the wayside... Muslims are an easier target. Who cares what they wear? Really? ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Valkie on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:35pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 5:29pm:
And here I was, thinking that perhaps you decided to actually go to a muzzo country and see what it was like. I know you have not because 1 you still are a sympathiser, sycophant, apologist 2 you are still alive, muzzo countries are hell holes with a very high mortality rate, thats why they beerd so prolifically. 3 you are too afraid to go to one. I fail to see how people like you support this primitive, brutal, pedophile infested CULT. Buddhists have a wonderful peaceful religion, that can never be said about the muzzo CULT. Christians give aid to anyone regardless of their religion, muzzos hate everyone. Amish live a peaceful life of work and worship, muzzos live a life of hate filled parasitical existence There is nothing good that is this CULT I have asked ad nauseum for anything that muzzos bring to the countries they infect that is benificial or good. But I never get an answer, simply because there is nothing good that this CULT does, ever. It is a cancer on society It is worthless and brutal It is primitive and puerile It is twisted and terrible Islam is hate, horror and disgusting. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE DEAD BODIES THEY ARE BECAUSE OF THE ISLAMIC CULT |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by freediver on Jul 16th, 2017 at 7:33am Quote:
Where were you? Shouting, "hey, look over there"? Or do you save that idiocy for the most regressive religion on earth? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Ye Grappler on Jul 16th, 2017 at 7:50am
How is the Christianophobia going in La'emba and Bankistan these days?
Told yez before - 'islamophobia' is a fantasy built up in the minds of a paranoid and xenophobic Islamic community, and by a few running dogs who see some personal or political profit in adhering to such a silly concept. There are NO gangs or groups going around persecuting Muslims, they are not excluded from professions or education or from work of any kind, they are not restricted in their freedom of movement or their personal faith, they can live where they choose, etc... All 'islamophobia' is, in reality, is the paranoia of that same group being turned somehow into the fault of another - same as with the homo and femino phobia adherents. The funny thing is that it is a self-fulfilling prophecy - since these groups go out and kick the ass of the 'other' group, and thus elicit a response, then screech 'victim'... Didn't you people learn that one in the school ground when you were dealing with girls? Stoopid is as stoopid does..... |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Ye Grappler on Jul 16th, 2017 at 7:52am freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 7:33am:
But it IS the most feminist... it allows women to be women exclusively, don' cha know? They get all the benefits of kids, kitchen and kirk and what more could a woman want? A religion that carefully prescribes the place of women, keeps them there, and doesn't give them opportunity to be uppity and offend anyone is surely the epitome of feminism.... |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 16th, 2017 at 8:28am
An Egyptian man stabs two German tourists to death in an ISIS inspired attack. Meanwhile, in Western Australia, a Muslim woman is hit in the shoulder with a beer bottle after being called a "c". It's all perspective with Pecker and Mothballs, innit?
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Valkie on Jul 16th, 2017 at 6:45pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 8:28am:
Apologist, sympathiser, sycophant muzzo lovers are so one eyed that if a muzzo stabbed a man 50 times in front of them. Tgey woukd state in court that the man ran onto the knife, being held in a non- threatening way, and kept running onto the knife. This CULT is evil, twisted, barbaric and above all insidious in that it enlists the lowest of the low, the least intellegent of the least intellegent, the most brutal of the brutal and expects everyone else to bow down to their retarded ideals. There is no good in this CULT. It is the cancer of civilization Nothing good ever comes from it and No country who has welcomed its followers has benifitted in any way, but has only suffered. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Brian Ross on Jul 16th, 2017 at 11:34pm freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 7:33am:
I criticised them, FD. What did you do? Ignore them 'cause they weren't Muslim? Tsk, tsk. ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Brian Ross on Jul 16th, 2017 at 11:35pm Valkie wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Move along folks, move along. It's just Valkie showing his ignorant Islamophobia again. Tsk, tsk, I wonder why he bothers, I really do. ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by I am Mellie on Jul 17th, 2017 at 12:10am
Well you did stand up for yourselves during the Cronulla Riots. That really rocked the Moslem community into the fact that it was no longer in the Middle-East or the Northern Hemisphere for that fact.
But because those 'Australians' were poor and there was no money in it for the rich Media or Politicians - it was systematically squashed. Unlike the Bra Boys, the North Shore Boys and Penrith Boys - the Cronulla 'Collective' traditionally don't have 'leaders'. But the Media and Police made sure they could make some to take the blame. You see - it makes it a more 'comfortable' to do so, as if it was just like in the Northern Hemisphere. Even the Moslems started attacking 'Churches' because it was back in their 'comfort zone' of being a 'Religious' thing, rather than something from a ...Beach. The Cronulla Riots brought something new and more Australian to the table. Since then, Australians have had to take it up the rear by the Media & Politicians still playing 'Northern Hemisphere' and the Moslems just do what they've always done. It reminds me of the novels DUNE by Frank Herbert. The Invaders & Colonists see the 'Fremen' in 'their' world - but what they don't understand is that there is something far greater 'even further South' - a World that they will never be able to change or conquer. So it is just a matter of time before the Southern Hemisphere's version of Australia 'rises up' and jilts the Northern Hemisphere version here ...that protects the Moslems and their usual way of life. So, the Cronulla Riots showed us that the Media & Politicians have a more 'Australia-phobia' than anything else. ...the Sharks are circling. >:( |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Valkie on Jul 17th, 2017 at 8:07pm Jasin wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 12:10am:
Yes and as usual All the cowardly, low IQ muzzos RAN AWAY AND HID AT THEIR MOSQUE Thats a sample of the stupidity of these CULT memebers If Ausralians wanted to get them, theyvwoukd have only had to attack the mosque. Idioooot muzzos |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by freediver on Jul 17th, 2017 at 9:15pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 11:34pm:
Ah. So when it is Christian leaders, you criticise Christian leaders. But when it is Muslim leaders, it's "hey look over here at what these Christian leaders did"? Have you ever criticised a Muslim or Islam without a carefully weighted criticism of some other religion? Do you still believe people have to rack up a certain number of posts criticising each one to avoid your idiotic charge of Islamophobia? If so, does that make you a Christianophobe? Or does Islam need some special protection that justifies your hypocrisy and constant efforts to change the topic? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Brian Ross on Jul 17th, 2017 at 9:24pm freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
Yep, sure do, FD. I criticise those that I know and understand. What do you do? You criticise those you don't know and don't understand. Tsk, tsk. ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by freediver on Jul 17th, 2017 at 9:48pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Are you saying you don't criticise Islam and Muslims because you don't understand them? Have you ever considered trying to understand them rather than constantly trying to change the subject every time they come up? Do you still think you have no right or even ability to criticise other religions and other countries? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Brian Ross on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:01am freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
Tell me, FD, do you think you understand Muslims and Islam, despite, by your own admission not being a Muslim or a follower of Islam? I know I don't fully understand Islam because I am not a Muslim. Therefore, I believe criticising people who's religion I don't fully understand as being rather pointless. I am an ex-Christian, I was raised a Catholic, I understand Christianity and it's tenants. So, I believe I am in a position where I can criticise that religion and it's followers. Unlike you, I am willing to admit my ignorance. ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Rhino on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:11am Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:01am:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Ye Grappler on Jul 18th, 2017 at 2:17am
Islamophobia is a myth generated by some Muslims who prefer to be totally xenophobic and have no idea how to escape the strictures of their religion imposed by their parents and their culture, and by some adherents to the idea that somehow, in order to create an 'equal' society, there is some 'need' to ferret out anyone who happens to disagree with some tenet of a specified 'issue' for this nation at this time, by adhering to any such 'dissident' some label of hostility, hatred, and narrow-mindedness.
We've seen that nonsense with 'feminism' and 'gayism' for forty years now .... anyone who has a different view - no matter how well based - is automatically labeled as some kind of bigot who thus has no right to speak, and who WILL be subject to sanctions. * EVERY adherent to the myth that ordinary Australians (like me and many others) somehow have a 'hatred' for Muslims (and any other group claiming Accredited Victim Status) who we've never met and who this nation and us have accepted with open arms as genuine people in need of succour because of their OWN nation and culture, and that somehow there is some amazing culture of keeping 'Muslims' (and the rest) down by refusing them rights and opportunities, does so for personal (ego) advantage or for political advantage. The entire 'issues' of 'Islamophobia', 'Homophobia', 'Feminophobia' and so forth are specifically designed to gain advantage for Islam, Homos, Feminos, and any other group that chooses to play that card and game. Meanwhile the rest of us are, rather bemusedly, waiting our opportunity to actually meet and deal with these people who feel sooooooo oppressed in this nation that they need special treatment.... which the rest of us never got for one second! I ask again - where are these groups of Australians going around attacking Muslims? Where are Muslims refused opportunity for education, job opportunity, freedom of movement and freedom of association and so on? Where are they excluded from the professions such as law and medicine? Where are they forced to live in ghettoes? Where are they refused opportunity to exercise their religious beliefs? Where are they refused opportunity to serve in the armed forces and police and so forth? Where are they paid less than anyone else for the same job, if not by their own choice and adherence to their 'culture' in which 'the boss' offers and you accept or get nothing.... (starvation politics - coming to a nation near you!).... Muslims, as a whole, have been handed GREATER opportunities in this nation than they could every envisage in their own country and culture. This whole 'issue' of 'Islamophobia' is a LIE, pure and simple, and if there are problems...... perhaps Muslims (and the rest) need to look at themselves first..... **try, as I did, to pose an opposite view or alternative approach to Affirmative Action in the Commonwealth Public Service, offering reasoned and substantiated alternatives - and see what you get.... object to ONE 'feminist' or 'gay' "right".. and see what you get. On the street... no job... no promotion on merit ... no nothing but the economic gulag..... unless you can do better for yourself without that utter garbage.... |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:15am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 2:17am:
At shopping centres? "The findings were borne out by the experience of Sydney mother-of-two Gada Omar, who was verbally threatened by a group of men while sitting with two friends in a shopping centre in the Sydney suburb of Rouse Hill. "There were lots of people around," she said. "We looked up and there were five guys standing over us, they were probably in their early 20s. They said to us, 'Do you know what a crow bar looks like?'" Islamophobia: Women wearing head coverings most at risk of attacks, study finds "A Perth man who attacked a Muslim mother outside a shopping centre after she replied "happy holidays" to his "Merry Christmas" has been fined $2400." Perth man fined for attacking Muslim mother over 'happy holidays' response |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:24am
Wonder if there's ever been a study on all the attacks by Muslims on non Muslims?
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:33am Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:24am:
Quite possible. There are lots of studies out there, Homo. For example, a study carried out by the University of North Carolina showed that less than 0.0002% of Americans killed since 9/11 were killed by Muslims. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:39am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:33am:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:53am Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:39am:
Not sure about their religion, Homo. However, the chance of an American dying in a terrorist attack on U.S. soil, that was committed by a foreigner over the last 40 years, is 1 in 3.6 million per year. And, the chance of an American being killed in a terrorist attack caused by a refugee is 1 in 3.64 billion per year while the chance of being killed in an attack committed by an illegal immigrant is 1 in 10.9 billion per year. So many studies. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:03pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:39am:
you dont mind being called 'homo' then Mr Hammer... I demand a little more respect to be honest. >:( maybe thats whats wrong with the boards these days... no respect for others point of view... and now no respect for the members. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:05pm cods wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
Homo is his name, dear. He operates a few socks, and one of them is 'Jocko Homo'. We could call him 'Jocko', I suppose. I think he prefers 'Homo', though. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:13pm cods wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:14pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:05pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:22pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
I don't use homophobic slurs, Homo. The Homo in your sock's name - Jocko Homo - refers to homo sapiens. From the book - Jocko-Homo Heavenbound - by B. H. Shadduck, where it is explained as meaning "ape-man" Didn't you know that when you created the sock? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:34pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:22pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:37pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:34pm:
I'm not offended by it. And you're not offended by it either. If you were, you never would have created a sock with the name 'Jocko Homo', Homo. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:40pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Brian Ross on Jul 18th, 2017 at 4:08pm rhino wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:11am:
Oh, dear. A spelling flame. Tsk, tsk. ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18th, 2017 at 4:11pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Zappa song? I haven't heard that. My name is actually Greggery Peccary. I have nothing to hide, Homo. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Karnal on Jul 18th, 2017 at 4:35pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:22pm:
He most certainly did not, Greggery, and neither did I. Homo and I were under the impression that the term defined a masculine-looking homosexual fellow. Not that there's anything wrong with that. We're all men of the world here. Good detective work. Where did you find this information? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Karnal on Jul 18th, 2017 at 4:40pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 12:34pm:
No one has the right to not be offended, Homo. You should know that by now. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Valkie on Jul 18th, 2017 at 6:10pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:24am:
Of course there is Its called terrorism. But there are also many many unreported islamic coward attacks. They travel in packs like the dogs they are, but the PC mob write them off as gang attacks. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Brian Ross on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:32pm
Meanwhile, Islamophobes strike again in the real world while they argue online that their disease doesn't exist...
Pig's head dumped outside Islamic College of Brisbane ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:35pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
two pathetic young men....it isnt a bomb its stupidity..and probably ignorance... but trust you to jump on it. ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:39pm cods wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:35pm:
Isn't all Islamophobia stupidity and ignorance? In any event, why defend a pig's head with swastikas drawn on it being dumped at a school? Does it not trouble you that there are people who would go to such extremes merely to represent hatred? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:40pm
Now they emerge??? ::)
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:52pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
ooooops... I called it as I saw it....two stooopid young men who do stooopid stuff then get it all caught on camera.... ::) ::).. they will be caught and dealt with mothra do not fret.... I am sure what I think wont trouble than one bit.. I was replying to brian...btw...he doesnt dissect every word I write quite as thoroughly... I do admit to disliking people who wear body bombs just slightly more than those who dump pigs heads.. If you dont mind I wont go into the reasons why at this point in time... but you can feel free to tell everyone what you think of this crime.. :) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:55pm cods wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:52pm:
So, in essence you are saying that it's not too bad if a pig's head covered in swastikas is left at a school to traumatise innocent children because other people who share the same faith as those children do worse things? Genius. I wonder what things i can get away with because other people who i share commonality with have done worse things? I suppose hatred just isn't a big deal to some people. Right, Cods? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:05pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
why not give us what you think about these two young men????... what would you do to them if one of them was your son???... what do you want us islamphobes to say.. HANG THEM throw away the key.. lobotomy maybe??.. tell us what you would do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and then I may even be able to debate this.. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:12pm
Why Cods? Isn't my opinion on Islamophobia made quite clear throughout this thread?
I think the tendency of people such as yourself to diminish and justify hate crimes against some demographics because certain members of said demographics have done worse things is highly irrational, prejudiced and quite alarming. It is because of the normalisation of such sentiments that we have people like the two men in this instance feeling empowered to go to the extremes thay did. Normalisation and validation of hate. And instead of categorically condemning the act, you say "Well it's not as though they had a bomb, is it?". A sentiment sure to be echoed by other folks on this forum. I am simply saying to you that, unlike you, i unconditionally condemn all acts of violence, intolerance and hatred. ALL of them. I think that is the best path towards peace and world unity, don't you? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Frank on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:13pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
Well, it's not as bad and traumatising as this sort of thing: Syrian refugee, 21, hacks PREGNANT woman to death with machete and injures two others before hero BMW driver runs him over in yet another attack in Germany Pakistani boy tortured to death over goat theft Children Watch Women Scream in Pain While Whipped in Indonesia France: Muslim playwright glorifies the murderer of three French Jewish children in play The foreign Isil orphans found under rubble of Mosul's Old City, eating raw meat to survive And so on, ad infinitum every day. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:14pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:12pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:15pm Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:13pm:
What on god's green earth does that have to do with anything? Do i really need to point out to you how preposterous your argument is? Is it ok if some man comes up and punches me in the head at the stupor market because other men rape women, and being punched in the head isn't as bad as that? Is that your argument? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:17pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
No. Over hatred and Islamophobia, Hammer. You know, the thread title? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Frank on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:19pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:12pm:
Bollocks, Mothra, not all of them. If you really condemned ALL of them, you would be starting a dozen threads every day about deadly Islamic violence, not just some prank like this. But you are not, are you? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:20pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:21pm Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:19pm:
Nope. I condemn all of them. I confirm that repeatedly. Do i need to start so many threads? It appears they are already started by other people. Why do you want duplicate threads? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:22pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:12pm:
of course couldnt agree more.. where has anyone least of all myself ever said we condone what they did?... in fact I am not sure if I have been on this thread I dont go over it and find everything I can thats wrong in my mind.. where have I condoned this act??>.. because you claim I havent condemned it.. all I know is stooopid young men do stoooopid things....what punishment would suit your high and mighty thoughts then mothra??.. oh btw I CONDEMN THIS ACT just as i CONDEMN the wearing of body bombs... and children holding severed heads... now have I stopped anything?????.. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:22pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
And we have not only normalisation and validation of hatred from Hammer, but suggestions on how to improve the representation of it. And so it goes. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:24pm
I posted one up about a month back where this piece of crap Muslim smashed all these Christian graves in Sydney. Babies graves, old people. I'm sure Mothra didn't even reply.
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:24pm cods wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:22pm:
To think. You could have just said that and spared yourself all of this angst. It was a revolting thing to do. That is a good place for a full stop, don't you think? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:25pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
I didn't see it. I'm not here every day. Was it important somehow that it was a Muslim that did it? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:26pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
sure you didn't. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:28pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:26pm:
Indeed. Had i seen it, i would have asked on that thread instead of this one if it was relevant that the desecrator was a Muslim. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:32pm
Here you go Mothra-
MAN who has been charged for allegedly stomping on and destroying baby graves came out of Burwood Local Court this morning swinging at the media. Muhammad Ibrahim, 25, slapped away cameras and almost ran a photographer over in his Jeep, which had been parked illegally. Ibrahim was in no mood to talk to the media after turning up about 30 minutes late to his hearing for allegedly destroying almost 70 Christian graves at Rookwood Cemetery on November 27 last year. Muhammad Ibrahim grabs a cameraman’s gear outside Burwood court. Ibrahim pushed one camera away and grabbed another as he walked towards a Jeep that he had parked in a no-stopping zone almost directly outside the court house. He climbed into the Jeep and, with a parking ticket still stuck under his windscreen wipers, did a three-point turn, narrowly missing a Daily Telegraph photographer. He then stopped to pull down the window and stick up his middle finger for the cameras. It is not the first time Ibrahim has been involved in an altercation outside court. When he appeared in March, he was confronted by a group of angry Russian patriots who chased him down the street shouting, “you’re a coward.” Magistrate Eve Wynhausen adjourned the court case so that Ibrahim and Raad, who has also pleaded not guilty, can face a hearing together. Ibrahim has pleaded not guilty to destroying or damaging property and supply of a prohibited drug. Raad has pleaded not guilty to entering an enclosed land without lawful excuse and destroy or damage property. Ibrahim was late to the hearing. The Daily Telegraph understands almost 70 graves around a Greek Orthodox church were destroyed with crosses and headstones smashed including on at least four baby graves. A security guard at the cemetery said he saw one father turn up to his infants grave sobbing. A caretaker told the Daily Telegraph that many of the Greek Orthodox Christians would visit their relatives graves every day and the destruction of their loved ones headstones was deeply distressing to them. As of January, the damage bill was $50,000 but it is expected to be a lot higher. Ibrahim and Raad’s cases will return to Burwood Local Court on June 30. This case is on the news now actually. He just got sentenced. Funny how nobody heard about it. Heard about the stinking pigs head though. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:33pm
Revolting.
Now, why is it important that he is a Muslim? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:35pm
Oh, and you forgot to cite your source:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/man-charged-for-allegedly-destroying-graves-parks-illegally-and-takes-swing-at-media/news-story/d27ef7462363721e6fd21bf3620ea0a6 The Daily Telegraph ... lol. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:37pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:33pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:38pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
There is no evidence of that. None at all. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:39pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm
But isn't it interesting that, just as i was trying to explain to Cods, hate rimes against Muslims are always vindicated because all Muslims are apparently held accountable for everything other Muslims do.
Dangerous precedent to the thinking mind, no? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:41pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
How do we know they were targeted because they were Christian? Because you and the smelly say so? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:42pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:42pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:43pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
Indeed you will. Anything to deflect from a hate crime against living Muslim children. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:47pm
how do you know it was right wingers who did the pigs head stunt dear??
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:48pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:47pm:
Because they drew swastikas on it. Bit of a give-away, no? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:49pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:48pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:51pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
Yes. What do you think the message they were sending was, Hammer? And you are aware you're the only one to have mentioned right-wingers, yes? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by John Smith on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:51pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
anybody can shove their head up their arse too! your point? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:53pm John Smith wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
I think it's that Muslims deserve everything they get, irrespective of whether they are innocent children or not, because some Muslims do bad things. That's Frank's point too. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:54pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
Don't act like Pecca. I jump to conclusions and you argue against me while you do the same thing and defend it? Maybe Muslims are trying to make the right look bad. Who knows. Maybe that Muslim maggot did accidently kick down 70 Christian graves? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:55pm
What conclusions have i jumped to, Hammer?
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:55pm John Smith wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
Mothra believes that a Muslim man didn't know he was smashing Christian graves??? ;D ;D ;D There's no evidence she says?? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Well they don't know who drew those swastikas, do they? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:56pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
Would you like to try again? That was just silly. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:57pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:59pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:57pm:
Jesus Hammer. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:02pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:59pm:
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:02pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
Christ on a stick. ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:03pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
it's true. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Frank on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:23pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
And the Sydney Morning Herald And Les Observateurs, Geneva |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Karnal on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:25pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:03pm:
You do know white nationalists have lopped vines on their mother's fence and blamed Muslims? Well, pretend Muslims, anyway. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Frank on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:26pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:21pm:
On those other treads you only ever carry on about Islamophobia, not ever about how dreadful the deeds of the sons of Allah are. So no you do not condemn them ALL. You are only interested in mild pranks against Muslims. You pass over the much more frequent and bloody Muslim violence in silence. Like your maiden Aunt Bwian. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:29pm Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Absolutely untrue. I have unconditionally condemned every act of hatred and extremism that i have commented upon. Without exception. It can hardly be levelled at me that people such as yourself use acts of hatred to wallow n your own hatred. That's what i call you lot on. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:33pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
ahhh now I get it.. DEBATE MOTHRA STYLE.. AGREE WITH WHAT SHE WANTS YOU TO SAY AND THE SHUT UP.. ok.. mothra I usually do I avoid people who only see everything black and white..... the same answer the same response to every cause.... not debate in my book... but lucky you hammer and Frank still enjoy that style.. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by mothra on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:36pm
Jesus Cods. You stuffed up. You were called on it. Just admit it, learn from the experience and move on.
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:45pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:36pm:
I have I condemn everything you say mothra... everything... its called debating mothra style... I am doing my best isnt that what you want everyone to say... come on lads.. all together now WE CONDEMN THROWING PIGS HEADS ON DOORSTEPS...... say that 3 times...really loud not sure if those evil young men will hear it but its worth a try mothra thinks our words will make such a difference... come on fd we know your reading this... dose Human Rights have the key to ozpolitics??.... and read all this?... mothra seems to think our words! will cure the world of its ills... something like that.. :-[ I do think its wrong to use the Lords name in vain but thats just me! what punishment will we give this pair when they are brought to justice....... what about 5o lashes... seem fair.. ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by John Smith on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:46pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
article says nothing about religion being the motivation. Unfortunately tombstones seem to be an easy target for kids who are bored. There have been many instances of tombstones being vandalised. As for all christians, it's a christian cemetery? It's not like he had many options. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Karnal on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:51pm John Smith wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Well yes, but there's no reason we shouldn't blame Islam. Bored kids do that too. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by cods on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:54pm John Smith wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Jewish cemeteries get their share as well it seems to go in waves....but usually young people who think its a game they can play... what about War Memorials...some are even used as public toilets.... :( its the usual thing RESPECT it went out the door years ago... sadly in this case they got the publicity they were after....here we are t.. condemning it as if we can stop it.... look how stooopid they were its all on camera...I would imagine anything to do with Islam is now under camera surveillance... have we stopped vandalism?... not that I know of as one group grows up another takes their place.... ::) ::). there is no cure for stooooopid. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Brian Ross on Jul 19th, 2017 at 6:32pm cods wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:35pm:
Ah, its good to see you Cods, making excuses, being an apologist for Islamophobia. Tsk, tsk. ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Brian Ross on Jul 19th, 2017 at 6:39pm cods wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:22pm:
Well, personally, I don't expect you to stop anything, except being foolish, Cods. You've disassociated yourself, finally from an act of Islamophobia. Tell us, what would you do if someone dumped a pigs head in front of a Synagogue? Would you say, "Oh, well, nothing to do with me! Those Jews, they just need to get over it. The kids that did that were ignorant and foolish!" Or would you condemn the perpetrators for the idiots and anti-Semitic fools they are? Cods, you cannot pick and choose where morality is concerned. If something is offensive to a group, then it should be condemned for being offensive, not ignore and excuses made as you have done. It's like suggesting calling an Indigenous Australian a "N__g_r" or a "C__n" isn't offensive. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Brian Ross on Jul 19th, 2017 at 6:44pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
Really? Where does it say that, Hammer? Please quote the section of the article. It appears to me that drugs were involved and guess what? Drugs are naughty under Islam. Doesn't that make him a sinner? He sounds like a nasty piece of work, a common criminal in fact, rather than an observant Muslims as you're attempting to portray him, Hammer. Doesn't that fit into your story? Tsk, tsk. ::) |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Valkie on Jul 19th, 2017 at 7:18pm mothra wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 4:48pm:
Swastikas are a sign of peace to BUDDISTS And the pigs head is simple a very accurate representation of the deformed mohamiddddd. They were just trying to be nice. |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Agnes on Jul 19th, 2017 at 11:15pm
I would be very concerned if most Aussies were NOT sitting up and voicing their objections to grubby ugly smelly moozlums wreaking havoc in this beautiful land of ours- fkkk Islam
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Ye Grappler on Jul 19th, 2017 at 11:55pm
... and with good reason....
Next issue.... |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Ye Grappler on Jul 19th, 2017 at 11:57pm Valkie wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
My aunt, descendant of German Jews, was accosted on the street and challenged over wearing a swastika pendant - an ancient symbol of good luck... back in the late 1930's... she was a teenager at the time and had no concept of NAZIism, especially since that strand of the family were German Jews.... |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Ye Grappler on Jul 19th, 2017 at 11:59pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
Did he scream "Allahu Akbar!?" ... or not??? |
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Title: Re: Islamophobia is still raising its ugly head in Aus Post by Ye Grappler on Jul 20th, 2017 at 12:03am Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 6:39pm:
Boori or Boong sounds good.... capitals intended... One good thing out of the silly movie about the State of Jones was the comment that everyone is some else's Nig@er.. the concept was interesting... an area in the South in Civil War USA declared independence and made everyone equal.... and survived.... None of my clan in The Carolinas (SOUTH Carolina to youse Yankee Luvahs!) ever had a slave....... they wus jest faghtin' fer their way o' life... there's a Museum there..... |
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