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Title: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 3:18pm
Rapists are getting too little jail time
CONTENT WARNING: The following article contains a description of sexual assault. Douglas Steele, the James Cook University (JCU) staff member who admitted to raping a 20-year-old indigenous student in 2015, will be released from jail tomorrow, having served just 17 weeks behind bars for the rape. Seventeen weeks! Apparently that’s the going rate for raping a defenceless and vulnerable young woman in Queensland. On the night of the assault, Steele entered a bedroom under the pretence of helping a barely conscious indigenous student. But once alone with his victim, he raped her. He was charged in October of that same year, but was permitted to continue working at JCU and — unbelievably — was later promoted to Academic Adviser to indigenous students in the JCU Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Centre. Steele pleaded guilty to the rape in September last year but was permitted to continue working in the role for another four months while he awaited sentencing. He was allowed to voluntarily resign immediately prior to sentencing in January this year. Worse, he was supplied with a glowing character reference written by a senior staff member from the university, to assist at sentencing. It claimed that the rape was “out of character”. After receiving the character reference, the judge awarded Steele a two-year prison sentence to be suspended to just four months. That prison sentence ends on Tuesday and Steele will be released back into the community having completed his full 17 week sentence in the Townsville Corrections Centre. But as Steele now prepares for his imminent re-entry into society having “repaid his debt” to the community, a number of questions remain unanswered. For example, why did senior management allow Steele to continue working with indigenous students when they knew he had pleaded guilty to raping one? And when it comes to the courts, is 17 weeks behind bars really a just punishment for raping a highly vulnerable student? More to the point, how can the courts ever expect victims of other perpetrators to come forward and go through the harrowing ordeal of describing and reliving their rapes if this is all the justice they can expect to receive? Frankly, 17 weeks is nowhere near long enough for rape. Especially the rape of a defenceless and powerless student by a person in a position of trust and authority. I have condiments in my fridge that have been in there for longer than Steele was in prison. And most of us are probably still using the same tube of toothpaste that we were using when he went away. This isn’t justice. This is a joke. Even more staggering, in Queensland one in eight convicted rapists will be given a suspended sentence or some other lenient punishment — such as a community service notice — meaning they won’t spend a single night in jail. Often this is because it is their “first offence” or because the judge has been told the rape was “out of character”. Imagine what that is like for the victim. To go through the harrowing and humiliating ordeal of invasive rape-kits, lengthy police interviews and cross examination, only to find out that even though a jury of peers has found the rapist guilty beyond all reasonable doubt, he will now be allowed to effectively walk straight out of the court, scot-free with just a suspended sentence. It gets worse. In NSW one in seven convicted rapists will walk out of jail with a suspended sentence or some lesser penalty such as a “bond without conviction”. And in Victoria one in five will. One in five. Really let that sink in. Because what is the point of even asking rape victims to take their rapists to court if there is a 20 per cent chance that even if the person is found guilty, they will be let off with nothing more than a mild slap on the wrist? In fact in Victoria, even paedophiles are getting off easy and the average jail time that convicted child molesters are receiving is actually decreasing. In 2014, those found guilty of persistently sexually abusing a child under 16 were given an average sentence of five and a half years, down from eight and a half years in 2011-12. Try and wrap your mind around this: If a rapist were to carjack a vehicle in Victoria and drive it to NSW where he then raped a woman, the carjacking would be considered the far more serious offence. (The carjacking would carry a maximum penalty of 25 years in prison, where as the rape would carry a maximum penalty of just 14 years.) The whole situation is absurd. James Cook University has ordered a review of their culture which is currently being conducted by former Sex Discrimination Commissioner Elizabeth Broderick. This is to be commended. But perhaps it’s time we also ordered a review of our broken justice system and of the woefully lenient sentences metered out to the offenders in such cases as these. If you or someone you know has been impacted by sexual assault, support is available by contacting 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732 and asking to speak to a trauma counsellor. http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/opinion-rapists-are-getting-too-little-jail-time/news-story/e7880be7dd6cbf26cddcd668455bbeda |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gordon on May 19th, 2017 at 3:25pm
Mothra I agree, but I'd also say that most violent offenders get a totally inadequate sentence.
Years ago a mate's little brother was jumped by a gang of thugs in the CBD and had the crap beaten out of him. Broken teeth , shattered eye socket. One was caught and pled down to something that ended up with zero jail time. My mates brother was profoundly effected and is still just a shell of his former self. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 3:34pm
You're comparing rape to a bashing?
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 19th, 2017 at 3:41pm Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:25pm:
Same thing happened to my girlfriend's son at that time. Hope we're not talking about the same person ... ? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gordon on May 19th, 2017 at 3:44pm mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
The level of trauma experienced by the victim may be the same. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 19th, 2017 at 4:00pm Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
violation no matter what or where is something one never gets over... this obviously doesnt come into any sentencing in Qld.. its like hicksville up there..the hillbillies from Tennessee... ::) ::) whatever happened to womens lib! did it not reach Qld females?.... its incredible this happens in 2017.... I did hear they had a female Premier....maybe thats not true. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by John Smith on May 19th, 2017 at 4:17pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:41pm:
you? a girlfriend? ;D ;D ;D come on, admit you just made that up :D :D :D |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 19th, 2017 at 4:25pm Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
Not if you take them out. There's that forest near where Greggery lives. Rhino knows the one. The dead tell no tales, dear. And no trauma. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 19th, 2017 at 4:27pm cods wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
Only there's the small matter of the Separation of Powers, dear. If it wasn't for that, good old Joh would still be there. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm
I think if we were able to break down sentencing by race it would tell a little more of the story. Immigrants and Aboriginals tend to get dealt with more leniently while middle class whites more harshly.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 19th, 2017 at 4:41pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
True Karnal....but.....Government has a very direct and legitimate influence on these matters through Appeals initiated by the Attorney General or by Legislation for mandatory minimum sentences. The later amounts to a legitimate Government attack on the Judiciary and that is why they back off........because when it (The Judiciary) fights back (through retired Old Boys,) they are a powerful political opponent and influence. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 19th, 2017 at 4:43pm rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm:
That's right, Rhino. That's why they're in Villawood waiting to be deported, or the highest population per capita in our prison system. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 4:47pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:43pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:47pm:
Immigrants get deported for a crime worth 2 years in jail, Rhino. Aborigines do time predominantly for unlicensed driving, and you're right. Repeatedly. They wouldn't be in jail if they were getting special treatment, now would they? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Honky on May 19th, 2017 at 5:14pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
Who told you that? Quote:
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/4517.0~2015~Main%20Features~Aboriginal%20and%20Torres%20Strait%20Islander%20prisoner%20characteristics~7 |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 5:31pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 5:32pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 19th, 2017 at 5:37pm rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:32pm:
How about 'driving whilst disqualified?' |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 19th, 2017 at 5:45pm ... wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:14pm:
Good statistics, Honky. Yes, they're up there too. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 19th, 2017 at 5:46pm Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
Ah. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 19th, 2017 at 7:42pm
Rapists aren't getting any jail time in Islamic countries
and are getting off scott free in western countries because of cultural differences you sow the seeds Mothballs, Karnal don't make posts complaining about something that will become more & more prevalent because of what you support & apologise for. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gordon on May 19th, 2017 at 7:48pm Gnads wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
In Arabia they jail the victim for adultery. In tribal Pakistan the family kill the victim for brining shame on the family. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 7:58pm Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 7:59pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 5:45pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 19th, 2017 at 8:57pm John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Has this disappointed you? Crushed a secret fantasy you've been entertaining about me? :-* |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by John Smith on May 19th, 2017 at 8:58pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 8:57pm:
It's still funny 3 hours later ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 19th, 2017 at 9:30pm John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
Have I tickled your |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 9:33pm Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
That merely evidences your utter lack of undestanding about rape. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 9:36pm cods wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
You didn't read the article, did you. In Qld 1 in 8 walk away. In NSW one in seven convicted rapists will walk out of jail with a suspended sentence or some lesser penalty such as a “bond without conviction”. And in Victoria one in five will. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by John Smith on May 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
ok, Now I've had time to stop laughing and look at this properly :D :D Your problem after all wasn't finding the girls, it was keeping them. Was this because of your charming personality or were you simply unable to satisfy them? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm:
The converse is demonstrably true. Had you read the article, you would have learned that those who walk away do so because they are considered to be of otherwise good character. Now who do you think that applies to? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 9:42pm Gnads wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
White man in the article, Gnads. Is it alright with you if i don't like any rapists at all? Or am i only allowed to not like the immigrant ones? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 9:43pm rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:58pm:
LOL! No Idea at all. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/courts-harsher-on-aboriginal-driving-offences/news-story/12ff7e6a67181b23db8ceb9c9c69a759 |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 9:45pm mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 9:45pm mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
Very convenient, subscriber wall. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 9:46pm mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
What makes you think he is white? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 9:46pm rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
Did you click on the link, Rhino? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 9:48pm mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 9:49pm rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
But you failed to notice the several photos of him? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 9:51pm mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:49pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 9:53pm Rhino, struggling again. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 10:05pm mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:53pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 10:07pm
There is abundant evidence. Some in the link i've already posted to counter one of your other ludicrous claims.
Here. Have another: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-07/new-report-critical-of-aboriginal-sentencing/7575634 But you never did say, Rhino. Who do you think is more likely, like the white man in the article, to be free to walk from a rape conviction because they were deemed to be otherwise of good character? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 10:17pm
Once again, it is made abundantly clear to me how certain men on this forum refuse to accept that white, Australian men are responsible for violence against women and other men.
Blame it all on other sorts of men, right? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 10:20pm mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:07pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 10:25pm
No i don't want to start from the beginning again.
See if you can work out where you've gone so horribly wrong by rereading what has already been said. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 10:31pm mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:25pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 10:34pm
Rhino wins.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 10:36pm
Christ. I thought even you would be able to figure it out. :o
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 10:39pm
Oh i already won before you wouldnt answer the question. James Steele identifies as indigenous. ;)
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 19th, 2017 at 10:40pm Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 7:48pm:
That's what we're going for here, Gordon. Rhino can track them down and throw acid in their faces or bury them alive if need be. Don't you worry though. We'll seek an exemption for Canadian Yids. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 10:42pm rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:39pm:
That means he's not white now? Wish you racists would make up your minds. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 10:44pm
Who's James Steele, anyway?
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 19th, 2017 at 10:50pm mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:44pm:
This is where you lose Rhino, Mother. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 10:50pm
As for Douglas Steele, i can't find anything about him identifying as Indigenous.
Perhaps you have a link, Rhino? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by John Smith on May 19th, 2017 at 10:53pm mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:44pm:
:D :D :D :D rhino does it again It's Dougy rhino, Dougy |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 10:56pm
Oh no. Rhino's gone.
Whoosh. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 11:07pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:50pm:
Yea but Rhino won, Kamahl. That's all that matters. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 11:40pm mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:50pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 11:44pm
Perhaps you'd like to copy and paste in the part that says he identifies as Indigenous then?
I've read it 3 times, and numerous other articles besides, and i just can't see it. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 11:49pm mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 11:44pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 11:53pm
Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough for one thread?
Seriously. I'm starting to feel sorry for you. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 19th, 2017 at 11:56pm mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 11:53pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 19th, 2017 at 11:59pm
I've posted nothing but facts. Most of which have contributed heavily to your humiliation in this thread.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 20th, 2017 at 12:03am mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 11:59pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 12:06am
Lying again. You said you clicked on the link and saw his photos.
Have you been drinking? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 20th, 2017 at 12:07am mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:06am:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 12:09am
Just. Wow.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 20th, 2017 at 12:35am mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:09am:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 20th, 2017 at 12:47am rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 11:49pm:
He's got you there, Mothra. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 12:49am Mattyfisk wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:47am:
I know. I'm reeling. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Raven on May 20th, 2017 at 1:55am rhino wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:39pm:
Assuming you mean Douglas, can you point out where he claims to be indigenous? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 2:12am Raven wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:55am:
He'll just tell you to prove he's not, Raven. He stuffed up but he'll never admit it. Rhino has done his absolute damnedest to make this thread about Aboriginal people ... as others have tried to make it about Muslims and other immigrants. Anything but accept that white Australian men hurt women too. And other men. Racism writ large. I'm only surprised that nobody yet has blamed the woman in the story. After all, she did get drunk, therefore leaving herself wide open for rape. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Ye Grappler on May 20th, 2017 at 2:34am
Rape is THE minor crime in the long list of offences ......
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 2:42am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:34am:
Explain. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 2:52am
Come on Grap. You're really going to need to qualify that.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Ye Grappler on May 20th, 2017 at 2:57am mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:52am:
Why? Can't I just make a bald statement such as 'racist' or 'sexist' or homophobe', or 'Islamophobe', and so on, and simply have that accepted as the be-all and end-all of discussion? Why do I alone have to qualify my statements? Is it the exclusive province of the self-proclaimed 'oppressed' groups to only speak in single words and short slogans? Isn't that discrimination and unequal treatment? Bed time..... sorry to leave you on that note... 8-) Review any list of crimes reported to police, and you will see that rape is the absolute lowest incidence crime. I've posted figures many times before..... but many choose not to look at that. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 3:01am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:57am:
I always qualify my statements. I would like you to qualify how rape is a minor crime. Or are you so deeply prejudiced that you would trivialise even rape because you have been called into question with words because of words you have used? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 3:15am
Terrifying truth about rape convictions: ‘It shatters your belief that the world is a safe place’
FEBRUARY 23, 2017 THESE are the numbers that should terrify us all. A report just released from the Crime Statistics Agency found that in 2009 and 2010, over 3,500 rapes were reported to Victoria Police. Of those, a tiny 3% ended in a court conviction. Even more startling, 41 police reports were made against alleged perpetrators who already had at least six prior sexual offences recorded. Nearly half (18) of those reports went nowhere. No charges, no court appearance, no conviction, nothing. And these are the rapes that have been reported. Hundreds of thousands of women in Australia have been raped or sexually assaulted and never go to police. Why are charges and convictions so difficult to achieve for sexual violence? That’s something Nina Funnell knows all too well. NINA’S STORY Nina was sexually assaulted nearly 10 years ago, by a man who held a blade to her throat in Sydney’s Hunters Hill. Despite police eventually finding DNA evidence from the crime scene, no one has ever been charged with her assault. “When you don’t get an outcome” she says, “you feel so powerless, and so much of the trauma of sexual violence is being powerless. It shatters your belief that the world is a safe place and that justice is something you can rely on.” Nina’s experience, traumatic as it was, became worse in her dealings with NSW police. After she escaped her attacker and was desperately running for home, she called 000. She told them what had happened to her. She was still out on the street and had no idea where the man who attacked her was. The phone operator took her details and disconnected the call. Terrified, and assuming the disconnection was an accident, she called them back. Again, still alone on a dark street, with a man who had held a blade to her throat still somewhere in the vicinity, they took her details and hung up. Luckily, she got home safely and waited for police to arrive. She says she doesn’t know how long that took, a common reaction for victims of trauma, when shock and adrenaline distorts their perception of time. The police took her back to the scene of the attack, where they found one of her shoes and her broken necklace. Later that week Nina went back to the police station to review her statement and look through photos of known offenders in her area. “It was so shocking” she says, “there were hundreds of them. And as I was looking through them all, the officer who was showing me this huge book said to me ‘you poor girls, you just don’t understand the risks that you take and the dangers out there’. I was still bruised and shaking from the attack, and he thought I didn’t understand the dangers? It was Hunters Hill on Sydney’s lower North Shore and all I did was walk home.” Nina couldn’t identify her attacker from the photos, and she was told it could take up to six months to process the DNA evidence. Four months after the attack, frustrated, angry, and still recovering from the horror of the it, Nina couldn’t wait any longer, so she went to the media. After her story aired on Channel 7 the DNA results for her test came back within days. She knows, however, that most people don’t have that option. “It worked for me, but only because I had contacts in the media. What it meant, of course, was someone else got pushed from the top of the list.” The results found male DNA, but no match in the NSW database. Nina doesn’t know if the DNA was ever sent to other states for matching. “I know enough about sex offenders to know it’s very unlikely a man who attacked me the way he did only did it once. But the police couldn’t tell me anything about the investigation. It was incredibly frustrating, and just made me feel powerless all over again.” Police have to be extremely careful about the information they give to victims. If they tell them anything that might taint their evidence in court, it could mean the offender goes free. But they can explain the process to victims, and treat them with respect and dignity. “Victims might be traumatised, but that doesn’t mean they’re stupid. The communication process in my case was terrible. I just felt like they weren’t doing anything and didn’t care about what happened to me.” Worse was to come. Five years later NSW policeman Marc Osbourne was found guilty of three counts of filming a person engaged in a private act without consent after he videoed himself having sex with various women and showing the films to other officers at Gladesville police station. The same station Nina was taken to look at photos of sex offenders, and told she should be “more aware of dangers”. “I just felt violated all over again. I felt like that was the culture there, that the people who were meant to be taking my case seriously, the ones I was so vulnerable to, and put so much trust in, were laughing at sexual exploitation of women.” THE PROBLEM WITH POLICE Police, as Nina experienced, are the gatekeepers of criminal proceedings against sexually violent offenders. They decide whether to investigate a reported crime, and how thoroughly they are going to do so. They also make the decision about whether to take the results of the investigation to the next stage — laying charges and bringing the perpetrator to court. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 3:19am
Most police take sexual offences very seriously. The problem, according to a wide body of research is not that they don’t care, it’s more commonly that they don’t understand the difference between the reality of sexual violence and the misconception of “real rape”.
Police are less likely to press forward with cases where the perpetrator was the victim’s husband or boyfriend, where the victim and her assailant were on a date, where the victim was intoxicated, where she has no visible injuries, or where they believe she was not a “good” woman. It’s also not unusual for police to believe the myth that women commonly lie about rape. The truth is that this is how most rapes happen. Most victims know their rapist. Not all victims can or do fight back. There is no such thing as “good” women and “bad” women. Not all rapists leave bruises. Rapists can be “nice guys” who have friends, families and communities. Victims can present as very calm and methodical. And women almost never lie about rape. In fact, women are forty-five times more likely to not report a rape than to lie about rape. This mismatch between belief and reality goes some way to explaining why so few rapes go beyond the initial report. There is, however, more to the story. RAPE ON TRIAL Misconceptions about rape persist beyond police, they carry through the entire justice system. Juries have been shown to “pay more attention to evidence of character and conduct than they do to substantive evidence of rape”. Defence lawyers know this, and therefore their most effective and regularly used tactic is to discredit the victim’s character rather than their evidence. Mitchell Peggie is a case in point. He was charged with sexually assaulting a 17 year old girl in Queensland in 2014, and was acquitted in 2015. A week after his acquittal, he raped a 21 year old woman, and was convicted. During the trial his victim was subjected to a gruelling cross examination by the defence barrister. He asked if she had been “moaning and gasping with pleasure” during the rape, grilled her about why she was wearing “sexy lingerie”, showed photos of her bra and underpants to the jury, insisted she was lying about the rape as revenge because she didn’t like the way Peggie treated her, and asked “What did you think was going to happen?” when she testified about agreeing to go for a walk with Peggie. After his conviction, yet another woman told the Courier Mail that Peggie had sexually assaulted her, but she did not report it to police at the time. Obviously, only in one of those cases was Peggie proved to have committed rape, but the brutal questioning of his victim in that trial demonstrates why so many victims are hesitant about taking their cases to court. Police and prosecutors, when they make decisions about whether to take a case further must take all these things into account. Where they think a case doesn’t have a reasonable chance of reaching a guilty verdict, they may decide, as much for the victim’s sake as anything else, to not take it any further. In many cases, victims will start to understand the process they will have to go through to obtain a conviction and simply decide it’s not worth it. Horrifically low reporting and conviction rates for sexually violent crimes has been the subject of several law reform commissions and numerous research project, but very little has changed over the last 40 years. Debunking misconceptions about rape in the public perception, and more importantly in all levels of the criminal justice system, is one essential step. But much more needs to be done to ensure that victims are given the belief, support and respect they so desperately need. BREAKING DOWN THE STATISTICS Australia Less than 15% of rapes are reported to police. Victoria: 2009 — 2010 7,066 rape, indecent assault and incest were reported to Victoria Police (of these, 3513 were reports of rape). 2,381 reports resulted in further investigation. 1,643 went to court. 631 recorded a conviction in Magistrates or Children’s court. 583 were transferred to a higher court (rape cases cannot be tried in the Victorian Magistrates court). Approximately 90 rape convictions were recorded in higher courts. Approximately 40 indecent assault convictions were recorded in higher courts. Approximately 50 incest convictions were recorded in higher courts. New South Wales: 2015 10,944 reports of sex offences made to NSW police. 1,734 reports resulted in criminal proceedings. 1,603 reports went to court. 932 reports found guilty. 523 offenders received a custodial sentence. http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/terrifying-truth-about-rape-convictions-it-shatters-your-belief-that-the-world-is-a-safe-place/news-story/9fc4a65689f180b3534d79f4fd019b8e |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 3:21am
Minor crime my arse.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 3:43am
So let's recap. The men of the forum, so vocal on the rights of women when it comes to Islam, have this to say about the many thousands of Australian girls, boys, women and men who are raped every year (the overwhelming majority being girls and women):
Rape is no worse than a beating. It's probably Aboriginals or immigrants doing it. We have no right to complain because we're letting Muslims in and they don't even have any laws about it all. And my personal favourite, rape is THE minor crime. I expect some victim blaming tomorrow lads. You know, what women must do to avoid getting raped? Don't get drunk; don't be alone; don't be too attractive; watch what you wear; don't walk the streets at night; don't be alone with friends or family (most rapists are known to the victim)... you know, take some damn responsibility for the fact so many men are utter slaves to their urges. They can't help it. Seriously, i'm utterly bamboozled as to why you don't see rape culture as every bit as demeaning to men as it is to women. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 20th, 2017 at 7:18am mothra wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
No ..... you actually support them and their culture. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 7:22am Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:18am:
Bullshit. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 7:25am
But you didn't answer, Gnads. Am i allowed to not like white Australian rapists, like the one in the OP?
Or do i forfeit that right because i don't think all immigrants are out to get us? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 20th, 2017 at 7:26am
No bs
and pedantics don't wash I made no suggestion you should like any rapists |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 7:28am Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:26am:
Yes indeedy. Buckets of it. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 7:31am
Then again, you do like telling me what i'm thinking.
That's not even a little bit patriarchal of you. It's just what i should naturally expect for being an uppity woman. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 7:39am
What pedantics? Are you sure you fully understand what that word means? Because i cannot see how it applies to anything i've said. Perhaps you can illuminate me?
And you did indeed say i welcomed rapists.Me and Karnal. Are you really going to make me go back, find it, and copy and paste it back to you? Or can we just accept that that was silly and move on to condemning all rapists? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 20th, 2017 at 7:49am mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:39am:
No indeedy I didn't ... I said you support/apologise for a group who's culture is steeped in rape and violence against women. A Patriarchal, misogynistic cult. You repetitiously make posts such as this and when you don't get the responses you want you label every male here as condoning rape & violence against women. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 7:52am
And i feel compelled to say, of all of revolting, crappy comments on this thread ... not to mention the outright lies ... Gnads sought to go me for not blaming immigrants enough.
He even went one further and said i had no right to complain. Rape culture anyone? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 8:03am Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:49am:
What if i don't agree that the immigrants coming here are any more patriarchal and misogynistic than the culture we already have? And i say this as a loving wife and mother of a boy child. The patriarchy hurts them too. Yet you have utterly dismissed it, in your haste to accuse me and Karnal of supporting an incoming patriarchy. And as with all patriarchies, most men don't fit in it. You are so absolutely desperate to blame anything, anyone for what happens to women and girls from the rape culture prevalent in white Australia that you would even belittle a learned woman speaking out against it. Check yourself. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 20th, 2017 at 8:06am mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 7:52am:
Now that's complete BS. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 8:08am Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:06am:
Oh? I didn't read where you challenged anyone else? Did i miss it? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 20th, 2017 at 8:08am mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:03am:
A learned woman? ;D How about you check yourself & your wild assumptions. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 8:10am Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:08am:
What would you like to know about rape, Gnads? I'm happy to answer any questions you have. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 8:13am
And it's telling that that is the only thing you felt confident enough to comment on from all i said.
Now. Let's see how that confidence pans out, shall we? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am
Upon serious reflection, Gnads, it's probably time for you to call me a man-hater and move on to another thread.
I think we've exhausted your capacity for input on this discussion. Unless you want to try a spot of victim blaming? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 9:10am
I'm feeling fussy and am inclined to repeat:
Despite Gordy's claim that rape was no more traumatic than a beating... Despite all of Rhino's many lies and general humilation... Despite Grap claiming erroneously that rape was THE minor offence ... .... Gnads went me for not hating Muslims. I'd just like to run a highlighter over that. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 20th, 2017 at 10:44am John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Shiftwork is a bugger. It's why shiftwork pulls in a lot higher wages than day jobs. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by miketrees on May 20th, 2017 at 12:12pm Where have all the sops gone? The usual suspects? Jail time is only a university for crime. Jail does not rehabilitate people etc etc. Oh thats right, we live in a world of double standards |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 12:23pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
The police, the government & the courts victim blame for a multitude offenses. It is just the way it is, whether you agree with it or not. It is an offence to leave your window open in Queensland, lest a theif breaks into your car and commits an actual crime. Under Queensland law, if a driver is more than 3m from their car, the vehicle must be "secured" with the engine off, hand brake applied, ignition key removed (if no one over 16 remains in vehicle) and windows up with a gap no more than 5cm http://www.couriermail.com.au/brisbane-motorist-fined-for-leaving-car-window-slightly-down-on-hot-day/news-story/70185e9d0e91a0511ffc2981cb3b3936 Refusing to take responsibility for your own personal security will not help you in anyway avoiding being a victim of crime, in fact it will in all likelihood vastly increase your chances of becoming a victim. The world is sh1tty that way. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 12:26pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:23pm:
Oh? Interesting. What do you propose are the legal requirements for a person to protect themselves against rape? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 20th, 2017 at 12:28pm
Hang em high for all:
murderers rapists pedophiles & terrorists We need to cleanse our society. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDgZiyfRIdU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QRFeV4rPZE |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 12:32pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:26pm:
It has nothing to do with me. It is the way the situation is, nothing I can do or say will change that. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm
What is "the situation" BigOl?
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 20th, 2017 at 12:47pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
Mole knows the score. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 20th, 2017 at 12:52pm
Hi Mothra,
don't you want to see rapists hanged? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 12:54pm Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:52pm:
No. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
Victim blaming, it was the core of my initial post. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 1:00pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
So what do you suggest women and girls do to prevent them being raped? I'll just assume you don't want to offer any suggestions on how to stop men raping. Priorities, innit. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 20th, 2017 at 1:06pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
OK - so you'd rather see tax payers money wasted to keep them locked up for longer & then let out on the streets to rape & perhaps murder more victims? What about Adrian Bayley? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jill_Meagher |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 1:13pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
Like I said before and Ill repeat it again for your benefit. It has NOTHING to do with me. NOTHING I say or do will make any difference to the situation. Demanding I supply solutions for something that has nothing to do with me, and is NOT of my making, is pointless. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 1:21pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
But you have an opinion. You've stated it. Women and girls are responsible for their own safety, yes? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 20th, 2017 at 1:22pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
Come on, Hole, whenever a few boys have a bit of fun with you, you always cry rape. You're the biggest victim here. After Herbie, I mean. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 20th, 2017 at 1:24pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
Stop abusing him, Mother, he'll accuse you of psychological harm. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 1:31pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
Actually I stated a fact, the law considers victims of crime to be responsible (in part) and in some cases will fine a potential victim for potentially facilitating a crime. Under other law (WHS / compensation) where are person is injured or killed the courts will consider contributory negligence in their assessment of the case. This a simple statement of fact, NOT my opinion. I consider my personal security MY business, what other people do is THEIR business, another fact. You need to consider for yourself whether your personal security is your responsibility or not; nothing to do with me. Is there anything else I can help you with? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 1:39pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:31pm:
Yes, as a matter of fact. What must girls and women do to ensure they're not raped? You're saying that the victim is at least partially responsible in the eyes of the law. Yes? So what should we do? Considering, i'm sure you know because well, you just know so much, that most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows? How do we girls and women protect ourselves, BigOl? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 1:41pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:39pm:
Once again, nothing to do with me, so I not hold an opinion on this matter. Im sure I have made this perfectly clear at least once previously. And when I say anything else, I mean literally anything else other than this subject. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Ye Grappler on May 20th, 2017 at 1:46pm
Tell that to the Skaf boys.... my biggest regret is they didn't get more, but at least two of them found some silly pussy in prison... Jesus God.... what an advertisement for women's sense that one is/was....
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 2:23pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
So you claim that the law takes the actions of the victims into account but because it has nothing to do with you, you cannot elaborate? Would you like to try again? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 20th, 2017 at 2:45pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 12:26pm:
Wear a hijab at all times. Raping a Muslim girl guarantees you an early death inside or outside of prison. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 2:48pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:45pm:
You jest Herbie, but there are men on this very forum who think it is a woman's responsibility not to get raped. Now how is that superior to anywhere? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 3:14pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:23pm:
But I did elaborate, I gave examples of where the law does hold victims accountable for the crimes or actions committed against them. And since Im not in charge of 'the law' you're damn right it has nothing to do with me. I don't know what you think i can do for ALL women in this case, but I can assure you it is absolutely nothing and will always remain so. The law will do nothing for women any more than it does and judging by the title of this thread it is not enough The rapist themselves prolly won't do anything to help the situation So who do you think should do something? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 20th, 2017 at 3:15pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
It's a vexed question. I'm going to stick my neck out here and say something that won't win me any friends :- Why O why was rape/murder victim Jill Meagher to Adrian Bailey in Melbourne dressed like a prostitute in a short skirt and high-heeled clickety-clickety-come-phuk-me shoes? She was married, for Christ sake. In a nightclub late at night on a Friday with friends from work, but dressed to kill. She deliberately made herself look sexy and desirable, and I haven't slightest doubt she would have been happy with the male attention she was attracting. Once you're married you have an obligation to your husband to not go traipsing around looking like a prostitute when you're alone without him. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 3:27pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
No you didn't. Are you imagining things again Big Ol? But seeing as about 70% of reported rape victims know their rapsts, how do you propose girls and women protect themselves from that? Because, of course, you are all about women and girl's responsibility for being raped. Heaven forfend we talk about what compels a man to rape. Blame the woman! |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 3:30pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:15pm:
I don't know where to start. Except to say you are absolute filth, Herbert. Absolute filth. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 20th, 2017 at 3:36pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:15pm:
Isn't that what some dumbarse Imam said...something about uncovered meat? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 3:44pm Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:36pm:
Yes. All of this victim blaming (i predicted it) while clinging tenaciously to the higher moral ground. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 4:18pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:27pm:
Never made any such statement. I stated what the law was, and I gave examples. I at no time, made any statement about my opinion, in fact I stated every single time you wanted my opinion that I had none. So stop being a little grub liar and stick with what has actually been said. You may need me to say these things so you can go onto your rant, but you are wasting your time try to goad me into saying some I did NOT say. I can see others treat you the way they do. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 4:23pm
Nope. You did not state what the law is.
You did not give any examples. Seriously, who do you think you are kidding? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 4:27pm
I don't understand. Why contribute a whole heap of bullshit purporting to represent victim culpability in a rape thread with absolutely nothing to back it up?
Is it just me who is suspicious? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 4:27pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:23pm:
Yeah I did. Stop embarrassing yourself, it's just getting sad to look at. Stop demanding others solve problems that have nothing to do with them Stop lying about what other people have said, just so you can get offended, |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 4:30pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
No you really didn't. I just double-checked. Why do you want to push the message that girls and women deserve to be raped because of their own actions? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 4:31pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
I never made any such statement, I did state the law blames the victim for being the victim of a crime or in some cases for assisting the potential for a crime. There is a legal term called contributory negligence and its very basis is to blame the victim at least partially for their predicament and I have covered ALL of this already, Do you have a serious learning disability that prevents you from reading english at a basic level, because it would explain this inane conversation. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 20th, 2017 at 4:36pm Quote:
Which has exactly zero application in Criminal Law, including.....rape. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 4:37pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
Nope. You have not covered that before. This is a first. Could you expand on what jurisdictions factor in contributory negligence and how that translates to rape cases? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 4:49pm Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
But the law will and does fine people (victims) for contributing to the potential for criminals to commit crimes, as they do in QLD. An example of victim blaming I was only giving an example in victim blaming in the law relating to compensation as it applies to victims. I made no statement that this was applicable across all law. Look I was fairly detailed and accurate when I made the statements about the law and victim blaming, about 4 fkken pages ago. But that for jumping at this late stage. So you don't have to exert yourself looking [/quote] mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
The police, the government & the courts victim blame for a multitude offences. It is just the way it is, whether you agree with it or not. It is an offence to leave your window open in Queensland, lest a thief breaks into your car and commits an actual crime. Under Queensland law, if a driver is more than 3m from their car, the vehicle must be "secured" with the engine off, hand brake applied, ignition key removed (if no one over 16 remains in vehicle) and windows up with a gap no more than 5cm http://www.couriermail.com.au/brisbane-motorist-fined-for-leaving-car-window-slightly-down-on-hot-day/news-story/70185e9d0e91a0511ffc2981cb3b3936 Refusing to take responsibility for your own personal security will not help you in anyway avoiding being a victim of crime, in fact it will in all likelihood vastly increase your chances of becoming a victim. The world is sh1tty that way. [/quote] |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 4:51pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
I never made any such assertion so why would i contribute to this stupid conversation now. Look 1 = 1 does not equal 8949751298789 no matter how much you need it to. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 4:58pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
You weren't even remotely detailed and accurate. You've been called on your bullshit for pages now and still you cling tenaciously to what you are pretending you already said. You're abslutlely full of horseshit. Now the question is, why would you seek to establish reduced culpability for rapists? Seriously? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 20th, 2017 at 4:58pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
The police, the government & the courts victim blame for a multitude offences. It is just the way it is, whether you agree with it or not. It is an offence to leave your window open in Queensland, lest a thief breaks into your car and commits an actual crime. Under Queensland law, if a driver is more than 3m from their car, the vehicle must be "secured" with the engine off, hand brake applied, ignition key removed (if no one over 16 remains in vehicle) and windows up with a gap no more than 5cm http://www.couriermail.com.au/brisbane-motorist-fined-for-leaving-car-window-slightly-down-on-hot-day/news-story/70185e9d0e91a0511ffc2981cb3b3936 Refusing to take responsibility for your own personal security will not help you in anyway avoiding being a victim of crime, in fact it will in all likelihood vastly increase your chances of becoming a victim. The world is sh1tty that way. [/quote][/quote] What has any of that got to do with Criminal Law....including, rape? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 5:01pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
You're very confused, aren't you. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 5:06pm Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:58pm:
What has any of that got to do with Criminal Law....including, rape? [/quote] Firstly I was pointing out that the law doesn't give a fkk about whether you're victim or not, that in fact it is illegal to potentially facilitate a crime even though you would be the unwitting victim of the crime. Secondly I NEVER stated it was directly applicable to rape that is something you and that liar mothra made up. Mopthra seems to think that the law is there to protect victims from crime, it is not, it does give a fkk about victims only the law. Now you stepped in after she has sh1t all over the walls and I have to fkken re-explain everything again. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 5:08pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:01pm:
Only about your fkking sanity. But you seem to crave drama and to facilitate that extreme emotional instability, you lie like a politician; pity I don't give a fkk and you end up looking a deranged harpie. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 5:16pm
BigOl, you are aware all your posts are still visible, yes?
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 5:19pm
It's like Rhino... just with more abuse.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 5:21pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:16pm:
Yes and anyone with at least a Grade 5 education will see exactly what I wrote and at no time did Im blame rape victims no matter how many time you tried to get me to say it. I gave an example of how the law does blame victim and at no time did I state that was directly applicable to rape victims no matter how many times you tried to get me to say so. You are failing miserably at setting me up, even your lies are looking a little insane. Read what I write not some insane interpretation you need to fuel you drama queen psychopathy. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 20th, 2017 at 5:23pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:19pm:
I have been amazingly tolerant of your insanity. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 5:24pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:21pm:
We've just sat back and watched. You're telling the story. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 20th, 2017 at 5:34pm Quote:
If you are referring to the 3m/car thing.....no....that is not blaming at all. It is Government imposing a responsibility. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 5:36pm |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
Walking late at night by your own in deserted streets while wearing heavy makeup, sexy clothing, and 4-inch high heels. That's just begging for some Early Release rapists to pay you a little more attention than is good for you. Making yourself look like a highly desirable Sex Object is not a good idea if you want to get home safely late at night. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 8:35pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
I know you well enough by now to understand that you are well aware of how offensive you are being. It's up to you to reconcile how rape is amusing. Good luck with that. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 20th, 2017 at 8:58pm BigOl64 wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:23pm:
You're always tolerant, son. Some might say you're rather easy. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 20th, 2017 at 9:02pm Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
So Mothra ignores my question which is the elephant in the room. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 9:09pm Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Booby you know what i'm going to say. No to the death penalty. Under any circumstances. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 20th, 2017 at 9:16pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:09pm:
Hi Mothra, at least you replied. The fact is that you want to complain about rapists but you're not prepared to back what we all know is necessary to get rid of them forever. You're weak - and it's people like you who have allowed rapists to run riot in our society. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 9:23pm Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:16pm:
You're not being realistic. Incarcerate them. Rehabilitate and study them. Enough with your fantasies of blood lust. They're impossible. Work with the system. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Ye Grappler on May 20th, 2017 at 9:27pm
The law should always be wary of not providing equal treatment under law to both victim and accused... to focus on one to the detriment of the other is to generate a climate for a false interpretation of legal facts.
Suggestions that points of evidence that clarify the entire situation are in some way 'victim blaming' are fatuous and have no bearing on the requirement for proof beyond a reasonable doubt, since a valid judgement can only be made in full possession of all facts. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 9:28pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:27pm:
Pfffffft. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 20th, 2017 at 9:39pm
Mothra found it too hard to deal with the fact that some women place themselves in rape-danger by the way they dress and at what hours they go walking in high heels on their own in deserted parts of the big cities.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 20th, 2017 at 9:43pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Yes, they ask for it Herbert. Great to see that you're onto it. Go rape 'em Tiger, they are begging for it. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 9:52pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
You're not funny. You're sick. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 20th, 2017 at 9:56pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Mothra, I don't want to study them - I want to see them dangling from a rope. I want to see Adrian Bayley dragged out of his prison cell - kicking & screaming with the noose already around his neck - & dragged up slowly from a very high lamp post so that everyone can see - & I want it on prime time TV. Get rid of them - cleanse society forever. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 20th, 2017 at 9:56pm Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
It should come as no surprise to a man of the world like yourself, Aussie, but some types do beg for it. Big Hole, Rhino, Homo, the Mechanic, the old boy... They almost demand it, dear. Legs in the air, bottoms up. Some nights I can hardly fight them off. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 20th, 2017 at 10:00pm Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:56pm:
I think you should question your blood lust. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 20th, 2017 at 10:04pm
Did somebody say lust?
Oo-er, Bobby. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 21st, 2017 at 8:12am Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
If you go swimming at night in the summer in Sydney's Parramatta river you have a good chance of being killed by a Bull Shark. Late night deceased drunks know all about this as they lick their wounds in the Hereafter. Fact: 1. A percentage of rapists are at any time moving among us on the streets of our home town as a hazard that every woman should take precautions to guard against which involves ... a. Taking a taxi home after dark. b. Don't walk unaccompanied in dark and deserted streets. c. Don't wear noisy high heels that click and clatter on the pavements to the effect that attention is drawn to you as you walk alone. d. Don't be seen leaving a club or pub late at night on your own after having been seen by the clientele cavorting with your friends in a tight short skirt, high heels, and plenty of make-up. 2. Rapists are opportunists. 3. Rapists enjoy the thrill of the chase and the sexual experience - it's not all about 'power' as feminists would have you believe. 4. Women are not 'asking for it', but naively tell themselves that "it won't happen to me" even when they're walking in late-night deserted streets wearing the whole 'bells-and-whistles' catalogue of what turns a man on. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 21st, 2017 at 8:21am Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:43pm:
It doesn't matter what a non-rapist thinks, it only matters what the rapist thinks and what the law does. That is the situation, whether you and the drama queen agree with it or not. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 21st, 2017 at 8:22am
herb... perhaps men should have a curfew ::) ::)..
no outside after dark...its far too tempting for them.. would that work do you think?... |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 21st, 2017 at 8:30am mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
You're in denial, and rather than admit that women can be partly responsible for bringing the wrong sort of attention upon themselves from the wrong sort of people, you've preferred to label my above comments as a comedy routine. This is not the way to handle emotionally unresolved issues from past experiences. Being defensive of personal responsibility and worrying more about your ego than being candid and vulnerable to fair criticism does nothing but delay reaching an accommodation with yourself. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 21st, 2017 at 8:35am mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:00pm:
Mothra, I think you should question your weakness. I bet you also eat meat for dinner but you'd never kill an animal? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 21st, 2017 at 8:40am cods wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:22am:
Codsey? -- you're due for a naked backside spanking from me next time you pretend not to understand the points I've made with regard to looking like Sex-on-High-Heels late at night in a deserted part of a city that has a known percentage of rapists on the streets at any one time. I hope when you make your way home after Bingo Nights down at your local Town Hall it's not your usual habit to wear stilettos and fishnet stockings. :P |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 21st, 2017 at 8:44am Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:12am:
Good advice Herby that shouldn't be necessary. If the Govt. hanged all rapists & didn't let them out on the street then women could walk safely on our streets. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 21st, 2017 at 8:58am Mattyfisk wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 9:56pm:
Being trolled by The Impostor, is like being flogged with a wet newspaper. You have one focus, homosexual rape, which says a lot about you and nothing about the people you troll. You sad fkken loser. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 21st, 2017 at 9:23am Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:40am:
I threw out a perfectly good pair of killer red heels only last week.. I almost broke another ankle because of them. one heel got stuck in a grate and in trying to release it without letting the world know I was stuck in a grid... the platform on the other shoe fell off as well.. I was not amused I bought them in our local op shop which is usually good at refunding but the goods have to be returned in good shape... I think I was diddled and will report it next time I shop there. if they want my business they should offer me a discount on my next buy!.. what do you think?. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 21st, 2017 at 9:28am Bobby. wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:44am:
Hanging them is counter-productive, Bobby. Capital punishment for rape would only provide a greater incentive for rapists to murder their victims to keep them quiet. Life in a foreign jail on a contract basis is the answer. If our Lifers were sent to jails in the Third World it would cost the taxpayer only a fraction of what it does now. In fact anyone attracting more than a 5-year jail term should be shipped out of the country to do their time in Third World jails in the Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, the South American countries, etc. at a fraction of the cost we're paying now. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 21st, 2017 at 9:34am cods wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:23am:
;D I sometimes wonder what non-Western foreigners must think when they see our women wearing lipstick, mascara, high heels, and elaborate hairdos. It must look extremely odd to them ~ the red lips and high heels especially. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Unforgiven on May 21st, 2017 at 9:39am Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:28am:
Herr Bert is a rapist envier. His proposal exactly describes the settlement of Australia with rapists and murderers. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 21st, 2017 at 9:41am Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:28am:
Hi Herby, What about cutting off their balls? - no testosterone equals - no rape. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 21st, 2017 at 9:46am Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:28am:
that sounds like a perfectly good Plan B herb.. they could rent out Guantanamo when they return all those terrorist whence they came.. a splendid idea... bowl of rice twice a day..hey can grow their own veg and fruit...I am so over the way we provide even day trips to the city for these people....thats why so many go out and re commit their crime....they like the country club atmosphere.. >:( >:( |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 21st, 2017 at 9:52am Bobby. wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:41am:
Unfortunately this doesn't work, Bobby. Sex begins in the mind, and is why we males achieve a degree of gratification in doing nothing other than just spotting 'good sorts' at work and on the streets as we go about our day. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 21st, 2017 at 9:54am Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:52am:
Nonsense - no balls = no rape. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by miketrees on May 21st, 2017 at 10:06am I had a visit from Worksafe this week, the woman allegedly had no balls, but she was choc full of bad testosterone. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 21st, 2017 at 10:14am Bobby. wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:54am:
Lesbians don't have balls either, and yet ... Back to the drawing-board, Bobby. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 21st, 2017 at 10:19am Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:14am:
Herby - it's a fact - no balls = no possible erection = no rape. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 21st, 2017 at 10:25am Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 4:58pm:
What has any of that got to do with Criminal Law....including, rape? [/quote] Ok what about 'provocation'? Up until recently, very recently in QLD it was a rock solid defence for killing homos and worked pretty well when beating the sh1t out of your missus, too. Used in criminal law and based solely on victim blaming. Remember reply ONLY to what I wrote not to what you need me to have written to support your argument. This is a statement about the law and victim blaming NOT related to rape. I know how you and the drama queen like to twist every statement to suit your pre-prepared replies. The law has never been about preventing a crime or justice for the victims of crime the law serves itself and only itself. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by miketrees on May 21st, 2017 at 12:17pm Herby - it's a fact - no balls = no possible erection = no rape. Booby, you need to get yourself around to SickFvckersRUS. Rape can involve other implements. Its not a subject I wish to dwell on other than to point this out. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 21st, 2017 at 12:25pm BigOl64 wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 8:58am:
Now now, dear. Not tonight, I have a headache. Besides, I gave you the wet newspaper last week. I do have others who want to be rogered too, you know. You're not the only one. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Karnal on May 21st, 2017 at 12:28pm miketrees wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 12:17pm:
That's true, Mike. Big Hole's got a whole list of implements, but you're right. This is not a subject we wish to dwell on. Stop talking dirty, Big Hole. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 21st, 2017 at 1:23pm Quote:
The victim of provocation is the person being provoked. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by AugCaesarustus on May 21st, 2017 at 1:29pm
Can we all be a little more civil with referring to human body parts?
May I suggest that we use the terms like: "castration", which is the correct term for it. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by AugCaesarustus on May 21st, 2017 at 1:30pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:34am:
You'd be surprised. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 21st, 2017 at 1:32pm Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 1:23pm:
Pretty much sums up the law doesn't it? The person who is killed or bashed is considered the perpetrator and the one who does the bashing and killing the 'victim'. But out here in the real world, we all know that is a load of sh1t and the real victim is being blamed for their injuries or death. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 21st, 2017 at 2:48pm Auggie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 1:30pm:
I've just made the point that I wouldn't be surprised if they thought it as bizarre as we regard African women wearing lip-plates or neck rings. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gordon on May 21st, 2017 at 3:06pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:34am:
Women the world over adorn themselves with bling of one kind or another. I've met some of these ladies on the Thai Burma border. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gordon on May 21st, 2017 at 3:12pm
Flipity doo dah flipty eh
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 21st, 2017 at 3:35pm Gordon wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Bling - yes, but we're not talking about bling. Attaching gold rings and bangles is one thing, but it's on a whole different level when women go walking about in public with their feet at an angle while wearing high heels. That's an entirely different plane of eccentricity. And false eyelashes. Bright red lips. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 21st, 2017 at 3:40pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 3:35pm:
Indeed Sheik Herbert, uncovered meat and all that Muslim stuff. They ask for it, we know. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Dustwun on May 21st, 2017 at 4:28pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 3:35pm:
Only women who wear blue eye shadow deserve to be raped. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 21st, 2017 at 5:46pm Aussie wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 3:40pm:
That would be that provocation defence we were talking about. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 21st, 2017 at 5:56pm
It's not the one I've been talking about.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 21st, 2017 at 6:08pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 9:52am:
and theres me thinking its just dribbling you do when you are perving from behind those mirror sunnies.. its gratification...you bad boys you.... so how do Arabs get their gratification looking at those black shrouds walking down the street.. do they undress them with their eyes.. well I am just asking.. :o :o what would I klow? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by miketrees on May 21st, 2017 at 6:28pm how do Arabs get their gratification looking at those black shrouds walking down the street.. Thats what goats are for,,, sorry back on subject |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 21st, 2017 at 7:05pm mothra wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 8:20am:
I think that what you think is superfluous to any discussion ...... just further wild assumption because I'm not kissing your arze in agreement with everything you post. I'm not a supporter of nor do I condone abuse, violence or rape against women. Despite your flaccid attempts to make out otherwise. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 12:58am cods wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 6:08pm:
Must be cods, arabs some of the most sexual deviants out there , yet they decree that the women must cover up.. its like they have punished women and themselves at the same time. Undressing with the eyes must be an accomplished skill I would say ;D |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:12am Gnads wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:05pm:
We've all been there. It is mildly annoying because the attempt is so pathetically obvious. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:47am BigOl64 wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:12am:
the angst because you dont agree or refuse to say what she demands you say...is just so over the top..I refuse to engage if I can help it...I get too angry and that annoys me even more...but its very noticeable how the same ones come in every time to have a stir...sometimes I wonder if thats deliberate .. either that or they like being hit over the head... ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:13am Bobby. wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 10:19am:
You're very naive Bobby just as they can chemically castrate it's possible to chemically induce erections It's done in veterinary fields all the time. Viagra seems to be able to make limp d1cks hard again .... No? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:19am Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:13am:
ugh shouldnt that be in the toolshed... ::) it was news a long time ago that if they did castrate or find other ways then the perp will also find other ways and it can make them very angry and they take it out of victims.......if it was that simple dont you think it would be happening already?... |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 22nd, 2017 at 11:24am cods wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:47am:
Too true cods But they do fkk off when you provide the evidence to prove what you have been saying, well in this case it did. :) :) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:13pm Gnads wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:05pm:
Perhaps you'd like to show where i have suggested that you are a supporter or condone any abuse, violence or rape against women? And whilst you're looking for something i never said, you can have a little think about how in a thread full of inaccuracies and downright dangerous and offensive comments, you only feel inclined to comment upon mine. There's a good boy. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:18pm cods wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:47am:
The angst i feel when people don't agree with me? But Cods, you've been whinging all over the forum for weeks that i only come here for arguments? How can i possibly have a good stoush if everyone agrees with me? Which is it? You seem confused. You wouldn't just be taking yet another opportunity to abuse me, would you Cods? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:19pm
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:21pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:18pm:
you wake up angry at pp...every single day. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:21pm BigOl64 wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 11:24am:
You provided absolutely no evidence. What's more, you utterly failed to explain yourself at all, when questioned. You've just been talking absolute crap. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:25pm
Projection, Agnes?
You hold issue with me defending myself? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:48pm
I just wrote a post and lost it... get back to this later. If you cant be happy, stop trying to drag everyone else down with you. Straight back into your misery fest taunting cods..
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:56pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:48pm:
It may be lost on you because, well reasons, but i replied to Cods and a rather unnecessary and highly inconsistent attack on me. Much like yourself, Cods goes me ... then cries about it when she gets it back. As for being happy, why, you're projecting again. And using a tired old sexist argument that a woman who speaks her mind and isn't all flowery and passive must be miserable. You'll be joining in with Gnads next in calling me a man hater. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 22nd, 2017 at 2:20pm Quote:
cods wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:19am:
'Tool' shed ... codsey!! |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 22nd, 2017 at 3:18pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:21pm:
Yeah I did, just because the explanation was beyond your comprehension doesn't mean it wasn't valid. :) :) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 3:24pm
I know you think you did BigOl. You so very often do. But that's no great recommendation.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:17pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:13pm:
Ahhhhhhhhhh .... you posted the topic or has that escaped your memory? You're a learned d1ckhead too boot. ::) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:30pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 1:25pm:
Have a little think about that Mothballs You make a post to invite comment & when you don't get the response you want to start pointing fingers & inferring that people then condone DV & rape against women. In all honesty I think you make these posts because you like to play the victim defending themselves. Cods "goes you"? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D How old are you? 16? Sounds like it. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:32pm Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:17pm:
That probably makes sense to you. Bless. Did you find where i accused you of supporting rape and abuse of women yet? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:36pm Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:30pm:
Perfect analysis Gnads... Mothra is very very juvenile. Tit for tat always. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:39pm Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:30pm:
I know you struggle but let me try to walk you through it. I go the ball, not the player unless they have a swipe at me first. Then i return serve. Have you found where i have accused anyone of rape or DV yet? You like to keep claiming it. As for accusing people of condoning it, i've held people to account for victim blaming. Why haven't you? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:40pm
No second prizes Mothballs
& deflection doesn't cut it. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:41pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:36pm:
And in swoops Agnes with her sane and reasonable "assessment". LOL! |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:43pm Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:40pm:
No deflection at all. You can't best me in debate so you demean and abuse me. You're not exactly original. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:44pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:39pm:
The word is "play" the ball. I never said you accused anyone of rape or DV. Nice try .. no cigar. You have no right to even think you hold people to account. In your mind you do. Get the f*#k over yourself. Honestly I think you need counselling. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by miketrees on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:44pm Deletes notification as topic has died. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:47pm Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:44pm:
I've really bruised your ego, haven't i Gnads? Surely you should be used to it by now? So angry all the time. Sand in your pants? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:48pm
Neither you or Agnes has been able to address a single point i've made.
Just heaping on the abuse. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:49pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 2:20pm:
isnt that where little boys can play their special kind of games???... ::) ::) at least as females are not invited it would seem so... no I dont want a perv thanks reading something like AiA puts up is enough |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by miketrees on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:49pm I've really bruised your ego, haven't i Gnads? No, you are just annoying like a blowfly when everyone is eating a Sunday roast |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:51pm miketrees wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:49pm:
Yeah, we feminists really get to you, Mike. You've told us. And something annoys you, you ignore it. You don't perpetually seek it out, misrepresent it and insult it in the hopes it just goes away. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:52pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 3:24pm:
I stated initially that the law has a long history of victim blaming, because of you limitations you demanded evidence. Which I provided, aussie pointed out that what I provided was of limited applicability. I then pointed to the defence of provocation which was up until very recently a defence in a criminal trials involving serious assault and murder, albeit less and less these days. Are you arguing that: 1. I did not provide this evidence to Aussies in this thread 2, It was not used in criminal trials, and very successfully, 3. It does not support my statement about the law and victim blaming. I curious as to what that drama induced brain of your retains and recognises. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:56pm BigOl64 wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:52pm:
You provided absolutely no qualification of legally justifiable victim blaming as it pertains to rape. Not even a little bit. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:59pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:51pm:
I would hazard a guess most real feminists would dis-own you.. tired and cliched' just like "Ford". "Feminism" is bull shiit anyway..just a cop out |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:59pm
I thought this was about Jail time for rapists??..
what happened to the topic?.. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:03pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:59pm:
Why not at all Agnes. I have a wide circle of friends, male and female, who identify as feminists and never abuse me for my opinions. Unlike more than a few people on here, i don't get all my social interaction online. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:04pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:47pm:
You couldn't bruise a grape you need a new duster to knock the tickets off yourself & yep you need counselling. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:06pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:51pm:
;D ;D ;D You're a nut job. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:07pm
That doesn't explain your butt-hurt, Gnads. And your fixation with just about everything i type.
But you've dedicated yourself to "bringing me down a peg or two", right? Good luck with that. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:09pm cods wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:59pm:
No it's not ........ it's about Girl Wonder Mothballs. ;D Practically every one of her posts ends up like this. She's just a plain & simple "Dis" - magnet. Any wonder. ::) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:09pm Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:06pm:
Am i? Mike has started threads on how much he hates the feminists on here. I imagine you missed them or you would have joined in. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:11pm Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:09pm:
Because people like you, unable to debate the topic, turn them into personal attacks. I wonder why? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:12pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:07pm:
Butt hurt? ;D ;D ;D ;D You just get better & better at grasping straws & proving you're insecurities. Seek help. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:13pm miketrees wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:44pm:
x2 .. But first I'd just like to say that I'm sick of the Lefties in our print, television, and radio news reports telling us that someone has been 'sexually assaulted' when, presumably, in most cases they are referring to rape. 'Sexually assaulted' can cover a whole range of invasions of a sexual nature. If it's rape, then it should be reported as rape. And now I'm out of here. Mothra found a 'dancing partner' several pages ago and the tit-for-tat has been boring me shìtless. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:14pm Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:12pm:
Oh yes. Butt-hurt in the extreme. It's really quite precious. Now would you like to make up more lies about me and insult me some more? Just so no-one can tell i got to you. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:16pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:11pm:
There's where you're wrong ... there's nothing to debate .... rapists deserve more jail time. It's just that you make all the side issues about condoning DV & rape because no one licks you arze in agreement with everything you say. You're a complete egotist. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:16pm
Dancing partner, Herbie? You mean i'm defending myself from spurious attack, surely?
I don't know how you dance but this isn't my style at all. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:18pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:14pm:
That's bit rich isn't it? A tad hypocritical maybe? Methinks I've got to you but that would be a hollow victory because you need help |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:19pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:13pm:
Saved you a quid on fibre then ey? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:21pm Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:16pm:
What utter bullshit. I debate points, Gnads. If someone says something i disagree with, i'm going to tell them so. And there has been a tremendous amount of bullshit in this thread. But i see you still haven't produced any evidence of where i accused anyone of supporting DV or rape? Are you just hoping if you say it enough times, it will stick? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:21pm
I find most people on ozpol easy to get along with sure we dont see eye to eye on just about everything....and I am very glad we dont to be honest the way some folks think appalls me...however thats doesnt mean they are worse or better than myself.....isnt it time everyone debated the topic
here let me start it off.. are rapists getting too little time in jail.. YES. ok whos next..... dont forget its a very simple question...no detours now. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:21pm cods wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:59pm:
Mothra found a dancing partner to waltz the pages away. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:22pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 5:56pm:
Never said I did, not even once, not even when you demanded I do. I did however state that the law has a long history of victim blaming and I proved that on more than on occasion here. I think I may have proved that you are fkken certifiable as well as illiterate. :) :) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:23pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:16pm:
You know what's spurious? You motives for posting here in the first place. If it aggravates you so much that you're forced into this self defense mode ad infinitum Why don't you give it a rest ... have a Chardy & put your feet up? Maybe debate these important issues with your partner? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:23pm Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:18pm:
A bit rich? I'm a man-hater whose husband left her and i accuse people who disagree with me of supporting rape and DV? Ring any bells? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:26pm BigOl64 wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:22pm:
You honestly think you've made a salient point, don't you. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:26pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:21pm:
Yes most of the BS is yours you're like the annoying neighbour who comes over asking advice then when they're given what they ask for they don't accept the opinion then commence to tell you all the reasons why your advice is no good. You should just f*#k off home & not ask. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:27pm cods wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:19am:
Hi Cods, it's just that our laws are so weak. We all know what needs to be done but no one has the guts to even say it - except me. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:29pm Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:23pm:
Who said i was aggravated? And once again, in trying to tell me what i'm thinking and feeling, you get it all so very wrong. Found where i accused anybody of supporting rape or DV yet? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gordon on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:30pm Bobby. wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:27pm:
Hang em and hang em high. What would you do to these one? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1495322758 |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:31pm Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:26pm:
Nope. I've backed up everything i've said on here. You've backed up nothing. You're just ducking and weaving with abuse upon abuse. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:33pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:23pm:
I never mentioned your husband ... or your propensity for disliking men in this thread. As you seem to have forgotten who posted this topic just in an attempt at point scoring ... fail. And yes you do infer that those who don't speak out as you demand are therefore condoning the subject matter at hand. Nearly every topic you pick seems to be based on something men have done or do to women. It's an obsession. No wonder he left ::) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:34pm Gordon wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:30pm:
We need some rough justice to clean our streets up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QRFeV4rPZE |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:35pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:31pm:
You'd know it if I was abusing you. Now who's telling lies? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:36pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:26pm:
Continuously for about 15 fkken pages, yes I have; the fact it was beyond you makes not difference to its relevancei |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:41pm cods wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:21pm:
I'm next. There should be mandatory sentencing for the specific reason there are way too many liberal-progressive Leftwing trendies with a Jesus Christ complex for forgiveness sitting in our courts AND on our Parole Boards. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:42pm Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:33pm:
Now you're telling me why i post something? Good thing i've got you to tell me all about myself. And you certainly did mention my husband. "Is he still around?" ring any bells? Must be because i hate men, rrrrrrrright? And i post a great many things. On a variety of subjects. I know you're a little out of your depth when it isn't a Muslim bashing thread though. You're quite the women's rights advocate in those. Any luck finding where i accused anyone of supporting rape or DV yet? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Unforgiven on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:43pm Gnads wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:33pm:
Gnads tries to hide his misogyny obsession with a personal attack. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:43pm BigOl64 wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:36pm:
Bless. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:46pm
My husband didn't leave me, Gnads.
But keep on saying it. We all know how you think repeating yourself will make you believed. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:47pm
I thought this thread was about -
Rapists are getting too little jail time? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:47pm Unforgiven wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Not just the one, either. I think he had a bad day. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:48pm
and you just love all the attention dont you..you are so bored that you stir up shiit fight after shiit fight.. to make it all about you...the victim who isnt really a victim at all.I suspect very strongly you invent things about yourself and then wait for comments so you can start your boring game day and out Mothra battles...and you tell me you have friends..ffs you are here 24/7..you log off in the early hours ( 3-4)and are back again 3-4 hours later. ::)
AND you have to ask yourself just as was pointed out, if you have so many "coming at you" and only you then we have to ask the question why? The one constant in all of this is YOU..so I say why do you enjoy the chaos much..why and where does it get you.I am now of the opinion you have need real help. You have are losing it.. I have to wonder why it is you so get off on abuse- if you didnt you wouldnt sit here throwing spit bombs all day long- Be at peace Mothra.. no one is out to get you..you are self harming here. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:49pm Bobby. wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:47pm:
It was indeed. Then certain folk turned it into "get Mothra". |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:50pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:48pm:
Just so you know, i didn't bother reading all that. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:51pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:49pm:
dear Mothra, just ignore the trolls - as I do now with Jovial. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Mistress Nicole on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:52pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:48pm:
I disagree. Whilst 9 times out of ten Mothra and I are on an entirely different page, I rate her as a quality poster with generally well thought through viewpoints on various topics under discussion. Yes. Some of those topics are about men and yes, some of mothra's general views about such men are negative. But have you noticed some of the anti-women posters on here? Jesus. Mothra gives as good as she gets. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Unforgiven on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:53pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:47pm:
Gnads is a negative miserable old sod. Probably never had a good day in his life. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:54pm
Thanks Nicole. Appreciate it.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:56pm
I stand by what I said..you are an attention seeker who needs to get a life.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:57pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:50pm:
I did, and Agnes proves yet again that her nose is easily put out of joint if she is not getting all the attention, and you do Mothra. That you do get atention is because you post things worthy of discussion, and that annoys some people. I wonder of this time she'll tell us what 'it' is when she uses this expression over and over: 'It is not all about you.' What is 'it,' Agnes? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:58pm
Yes you read my post alright...LOL every word.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Unforgiven on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:58pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:56pm:
Agnes should look in the mirror. Agnes, you are the female version of Gnads. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:59pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:56pm:
Of course you do. You've decided to stop liking me all of a sudden so now i am just a collection of flaws. I've seen how you operate, Agnes. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:59pm Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:57pm:
;D ;D ;D ;D now Aussie is jealous and wants it to be all about him...as usual..you two are so sympatico it is uncanny.. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:59pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:58pm:
Indeed, so I can dob you in when I reckon you take it too far, and you have in this Thread, often. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:01pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:58pm:
I really didn't. I find you tend to insensible at the best of times, why would i try to decipher that load of crap? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:02pm Quote:
No Agnes....you go too far these days and you need to pull back. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:02pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:59pm:
You have no clue who the hell I am..I dont show anyone that much ( except maybe 3 here)...let alone frauds like yourself.. I stopped liking you when I realised just who you really were.. as I said a fraud. The great pretender. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:03pm Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:02pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:04pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:02pm:
Nope. You stopped liking me because i stand up to Cods and you, like her, take your online life way too seriously. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:09pm Quote:
How many times do you reckon you can get away with breaches of the Rule about personal abuse/criticism, Agnes? Who will you blame if you get hammered? Yourself? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:14pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:04pm:
If she takes her online life too seriously why do YOU have to repy to every little thing she utters, even if she is not in any way referring too you..you are a bully..sorry but you are..you think she is an easy target. You are a fraud and a bully.and like most bullies you dont like to have it pointed out~ now I am going to talk to my real friends and leave you here to stew in your own juice and too let you marinate in the stench of Aussie Eu D' Colgone' and his side kick Kiwi Dave 8-) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:16pm
This thread is now all about online relationships & should go over to Aussie's forum.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Mistress Nicole on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:17pm
So anyway, I reckon the penalties for rape are too lenient. ;)
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:17pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:14pm:
You're really quite deranged, aren't you? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:17pm Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:09pm:
Try harder Aussie..if you havent been banned for bullying and harrassment for abuse through pm then..if you are a bully I am allowed to say it..I have had much worse aimed at me by you and others here. maybe I should be locked out to save me from myself...as you so love to point out.new Gmod Aussie |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:18pm Bobby. wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:16pm:
If it gets there and Agnes continues with that abuse, she'll get a holiday. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:19pm Mistress Nicole wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:17pm:
Agreed. Especially when "of good character" is used as a justification for letting rapists off entirely. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:20pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:17pm:
Replies are considered attacks only in your tiny mind..and your replies are predictable...try harder mothra get a thesaurus babe. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Mistress Nicole on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:22pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:19pm:
I'm curious as to your view on why the penalties for rape are so lenient? Is it just that we have lenient sentencing across the board, or is the rape category more lenient still? And if so...why? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:23pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:19pm:
Rape is subjective I think..if you cry rape just because your old man wont give you any, then how is anyone supposed to wade through that lot...many cry rape who were never actually raped..so sentences have to be light allowing for the fickle few who would malicioulsy lock up a man for trivial reasons.It happens the law is not a perfect science... I know women who have done this to men..again sorry |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gordon on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:25pm Mistress Nicole wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:22pm:
At the very beginning of this thread I mentioned how sentencing on all forms of violet assault was inadequate. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:27pm Gordon wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:25pm:
Yep - rapists should be given a choice - castration or hanging. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:28pm Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:18pm:
Why wait..do it now. ;D |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:28pm Quote:
Do you know any women who have falsely cried 'rape' and the man was convicted of that 'rape?' |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:28pm Mistress Nicole wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:22pm:
I think it's a bit of both, Nicole. I think there is lenient sentencing across the board and there is still pockets of misogyny and homophobia in the judiciary. You get longer for car-jacking than you do for rape. To add to that, most cases of rape occur within domiciles, about 70% from memory, so it often just comes down to the victims word against that of the rapist. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:29pm Bobby. wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:27pm:
There is no way to prove beyond all doubt in most cases...so many lie about being raped for nefarious reasons... |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gordon on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:29pm Gordon wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 3:25pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:32pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:29pm:
A proven myth. Only about 15% or rapes are reported to the police at all. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Sir Bobby on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:33pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:29pm:
What about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jill_Meagher |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Mistress Nicole on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:33pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:28pm:
I suspect you're probably right. PS Gordon, sorry I missed your post re lenient sentencing across the board. I came to the thread late. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gordon on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:38pm Mistress Nicole wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:33pm:
I also recall one from not long ago, a guy was kicked repeatedly in the head by thugs and was left with a limp and slurred speech. Less than 2 years jail because the thugs were of good character. So it seems sentencing is inadequate for all violent offences, not just rape. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:38pm Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:28pm:
Yes and he got 4 years.. it cannot be assumed that if a women says a man raped her then he must automatically be guilty..most often times he is not but women are automatically believed..with no real evidence or even a decent trial give to many. Umm men are pp too just thought I would point that out..but their rights seem to not matter too much when it comes to this crime. I know of another now who is aways claiming someone raped her she has no idea about the seriousness of throwing this lie around...one day she really will get into trouble and she wont be believed.. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:40pm
So, did you go to the authorities and tell them he was falsely convicted. An innocent man in jail!!!
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:42pm
the reply above yours is where my answer is and no it wasnt rubbish..the man was a friend of mine..I knew him well
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:43pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:38pm:
Let's address that with facts, shall we? Victoria: 2009 — 2010 7,066 rape, indecent assault and incest were reported to Victoria Police (of these, 3513 were reports of rape). 2,381 reports resulted in further investigation. 1,643 went to court. 631 recorded a conviction in Magistrates or Children’s court. 583 were transferred to a higher court (rape cases cannot be tried in the Victorian Magistrates court). Approximately 90 rape convictions were recorded in higher courts. http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/terrifying-truth-about-rape-convictions-it-shatters-your-belief-that-the-world-is-a-safe-place/news-story/9fc4a65689f180b3534d79f4fd019b8e |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:44pm Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:40pm:
His own family did...no one listened..he had already been sentenced... no one cares about these men, they dont even get a fair trial. He sat in jail almost 8 months before his case was even heard...there are women who can do this kind of damage and not give a shiit. Makes me feel sorry for women who are really victims .. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:45pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:44pm:
I call bullshit. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:46pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:45pm:
Well thats fine~ I was talking to Aussie anyway darls.. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:47pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:44pm:
If you know he was falsely convicted (as the Family would not)...you have a serious moral and social obligation to go to the authorities!!!! |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:49pm
It is extremely difficult to procure a conviction for rape. The statistics clearly evidence this.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:50pm Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:47pm:
I was 3 states away ~ he was in top end WA~ and it was years ago now ~this country is full of men like him~ |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Mistress Nicole on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:50pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:43pm:
Agnes just got owned. 8-) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:51pm
I dont need anyone to believe me and I dont care if no one belives me~ but justice has to work both ways~ that is all I want to say~
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:56pm Mistress Nicole wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:50pm:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D idjit ~ |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:57pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:50pm:
Okay....I take it back to basics. How do you KNOW he was innocent of 'raping' her? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Honky on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:58pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:49pm:
The implication being that anyone accused is guilty, and anything less than a 100% conviction rate is "getting away with it". |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Honky on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:59pm Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:47pm:
What of "victims"who don't report it? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:59pm ... wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:58pm:
Not in the slightest. But it doesn't surprise that you would read that into it. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Honky on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:06pm
Well what do you want me to think?
Theres always the lament that the conviction rate is so low...but oh no - that doesn't mean anyone makes it up. Could it be that the convcition rate is low, because the proportion of cases where they are actually guilty is low? Could things actually be as they appear? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:08pm ... wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:06pm:
Remarkably simplistic thinking. Presumption of innocence a new term to you? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Honky on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:10pm
Explain yourself mothra.
mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:49pm:
What is your explanation for this? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:13pm ... wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:10pm:
I already did ... but i shouldn't need to. presumption of innocence vs. the victims word over the accused rapist. Could you seriously not figure that out for yourself? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Honky on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:17pm
You absolutely should need to. Isn't that the whole point?
You can allude to knowing something arcane, beyond the ken of us mere mortals, but what happens when they call your bluff, like I'm doing now? Your evasive, half-line answer makes it seem absolutely like you think the law is conspiring against victims. If thats not so, explain yourself. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:18pm
calling him a rapist suggests he is already considered to be guilty of the crime...the word rapist needs to be not be applied to the accused until proven guilty..
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:21pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:18pm:
Yeas, but that incident in WA where you claim to KNOW that a bloke convicted of rape and sentenced to four years was innocent is a different kettle of fish entirely. Was that claim bullshit Agnes? How did you KNOW he was innocent? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:22pm ... wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:17pm:
Do you not know what presumption of innocence is, Honky? Now, focus, when you have two differing accounts of an incident and the presumption of innocence, in which direction do you think the scales tip? Or are you putting forward the case that tens of thousands of women every year are liars? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Honky on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:24pm
Heres a question:
What do you think would form a bigger proportion of those who do rape and get away with it? The law conspiring against the victim or The victim not reporting it? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:27pm ... wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:24pm:
The law "conspiring" against the victim are your words. I said nothing of the sort. But i have already said that only about 15% of rapes are reported to the police. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:28pm Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:21pm:
Because I knew both of these people very well....and things came out that never went to court and were never presented as evidence at the time..she was also a friend ( now ex) of mine... there was no way she would have fronted up and said that she lied and I was not even in the same state while all this was going on.. last comment from me.. he was banged up and left to rot...there are many men cop the same deal in this country. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:30pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:22pm:
"He raped me." "No, I did not." There will never be a conviction without corroboration.....because of that presumption of innocence and the requirement of proof beyond reasonable doubt. No way can a Jury convict on the basis of deciding who is the better liar with those constraints. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:31pm Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:30pm:
Precisely. And this is one of the major reasons why so many rapes are unreported. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:32pm Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:28pm:
Huh.....on what basis do you KNOW he is innocent? For example....did she tell you her claim of 'rape' was crap? How do you KNOW? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Honky on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:50pm Quote:
Without a doubt. The refusal to call out or sanction false accusers is why rape accusations are generally taken with a grain of salt. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:55pm ... wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:50pm:
You have had two people try to explain it to you, Honky. But you just keep on believing in the malevolence of women. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Honky on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:03pm
Its not a matter of needing it explained.
Refusal to confront the spectre of false rape accusations doesnt help anyone. Nor does being raped and not reporting it. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:06pm ... wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:03pm:
What!? You demanded i "explain" myself? What reasons do you think people have for not reporting rape, Honky? Can you think of any? One has already been given to you. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:12pm Quote:
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You did, Mr Pipes: Quote:
I give up trying to fix that 'quote' mess. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Honky on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:16pm
Presumption of innocence is not rocket science.
Acting like its over peoples heads as an excuse to avoid facing the issue of false rape accusations is disingenuous, and again - boring. One reason people have for not reporting rape is that it didn't happen. I'm sure there are others, but thats the one you can't bring yourself to face. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:22pm ... wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:16pm:
Yet you needed it explained to you. LOL! You keep thinking tens of thousands of women are lying if you want to, Honky. It fits your overall opinion of women as a whole. Or so you keep telling us. Don't expect me to waste anymore time on this. And fortunately, the support services these women rely on to help them with their trauma believe them. It's really neither here nor there that you don't. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Honky on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:25pm
What I want explained is why this:
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Is off limits to entertain. I don't know if it is literally tens of thousands, but too many do. Maybe the sisterhood should help themselves for a change, and police that in-house. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:27pm Bobby. wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:51pm:
Me too. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Setanta on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:35pm
There are false rape claims Mothra and as a man I would find that thrown at me just as violating as being raped. If I was falsely found guilty of rape and had to walk around wearing the tag of rapist, I'd probably end up topping myself.
If you don't believe it happens, there was one posted here not long ago of a girl that said she was dragged into the toilets and raped at a train station, the guy was locked away over the weekend and copped a flogging in gaol, the CTTV footage on the the following Monday showed he did not come near her. What do you think the legal sanctions should be for that? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:39pm mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 7:32pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gordon on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:42pm Setanta wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:35pm:
Back when I worked in a Govt job in a very femo-nazi environment, a woman concocted a rape story (nothing to do with the job ) right when she was going for a new job she was laughingly unqualified for....and got it. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:51pm
Some researchers estimate as much as 40 percent of rape allegations are false, and of course we had decades of men being sent to prison on evidence of sexual assault based on recalled "repressed memory syndrome " which has now been totally discredited. It has also been shown that false memories can be implanted in the subject by counsellors and psychologists who follow a particular line of questioning. Incidences of rape and sexual assault are actually much lower than most people believe. Many women also make poor choices when under the influence of alcohol or drugs and go on to make false rape or sexual assault claims. This is why most experienced coppers are quite skeptical about many rape claims, they know the odds are its probably false.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:29pm Ever since I had my son I was forced to look at things from the male perspective..my son is honest kind and decent and niave.. to think that he could be caught up in something like this horrifies me, one incident like this could ruin his life - I try to make him aware about this issue because he is a babe in the woods...a false rape allegation would swallow him up and land him in jail before he had a clue what was even going on.. I am the first to admit women are much more shrewd and calculating than most men would ever suspect and that dissapoints me very much |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:43pm
How do you do that Agnes? Was it really complicated, and worse than telling him about birds and bees?
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:45pm
Unfortunatly the hysterically exaggerated claims that people like Mothra make, i.e. that only 15 percent of rape cases go reported, detract from the thorough and proper investigation of real rape and sexual assault cases. I have to add that many claims of sexual assault against children are also false, many lawyers will press a woman to make such a claim because it will guarantee her custody of her children and deny the ex partner access. Of course once such a claim is made it is extremely hard for the accused to clear his name even if no charges are laid, again the myth of "repressed memory syndrome" was used to imprison many men over the years and destroy their lives.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Setanta on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:45pm Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:43pm:
What was your point? Is that how you play with a little dick Aussie? Or were you just fiddling for the sake of it? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:50pm Setanta wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:45pm:
No, and your comment is crass. Go to bed, Setanta. Your Wife is there. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Setanta on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:52pm Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:50pm:
What was your point? My wife also had to rethink the female perspective with three sons and a husband. Do you have a little fiddle for her too? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:54pm
Nah.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Setanta on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:55pm Aussie wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:54pm:
OK. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 22nd, 2017 at 11:18pm |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:17am
I want to clarify that genuine rape cases should be prosecuted severely under the law.. it is a truly heinous crime against a woman- but it just really bothers me that there is so much room for exploitation by different interest groups that skew the law to effect the desired out come -some of which Rhino has pointed out-custody cases etc.
It will never be an exact science just by its very nature, we have to believe when the complainant comes forward- with an allegation- that it is looked at fairly with an obective eye- emotion should never come into it because once it does the man will never get a fair trial-but there has a to be a process in place to ensure that accused men have their rights vigorously protected- too many men have been put in jail because they have been unfairly represented and are judged guilty as a matter of course. Having men in jails and who have been a victim of the system is unjust,inhumane- also as another poster said here- just being accused of rape sticks relentlessly and can ruin the rest of their lives... Men and women are not aliens to one another, one does not have more rights than the other, but in this case mens rights go south and innocent men do go to jail and they do have lives ruined by being accused of rape- that is all it takes, because mud really sticks. Who do they prosecute when they suffer the long term consequences of being labeled a rapist- how often do innocent men , who have been to jail and then come out to find they have no life in the real world- their life is over, who gives them back those years and the resultant criminal sexual deviant label that will follow them for the rest of their lives- think about that. We cannot afford to get it wrong but we so often do. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 5:54am Setanta wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:35pm:
I have never denied that there are. But statistics put that number at about 2%. The same as for all other felonies. And i think people who make false claims are reprehensible and should be legally sanctioned. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 5:56am rhino wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Nope. Would you like to try again? Or are you hoping that just pulling a statement out of your arse will work for you this time? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 5:57am rhino wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:51pm:
LOL! Would you like to back that up? Especially the bit about 40% of claims being false. edit: I've just spent the last hour checking out your claim. I look forward to you putting forth your "evidence" with relish. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 5:59am Agnes wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 10:29pm:
Why did it take you having a son to look at things from the male point of view? No male friends ever? Just not having a think? Sociopathy? You must have had very unhealthy relationships with men. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 6:09am
Women lie about rape
One of the most prevalent rape myths is that women often lie about being raped, either to punish a man who didn’t follow through on a romantic relationship, or to protect their reputation after consensual sex. The truth is that women are at least 45 times more likely to never report a rape that did happen than to make a false report. A 2000-2003 government study of Reported Rapes in Victoria found that just two per cent of rapes reported to police were found to be false. Similar studies from all over world place the number of false reports at somewhere between 1 per cent and 7 per cent. Which means well over 90 per cent of reported rapes are not false. An Australian Institute of Criminology report on Sexual Violence in Australia estimated that only 10 per cent of women who had experienced sexual assault reported it to police. And those numbers are probably underestimating the true prevalence, since they depend on survey respondents being willing and able to disclose the truth about their assault history. Despite this evidence, the belief that women lie about rape persists. VicHealth’s National Community Attitudes towards Violence Against Women (NCAVAW) Survey found 59 per cent of people agree that “women rarely make false allegations of rape”. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/the-six-most-insidious-dangerous-and-damaging-rape-myths/news-story/6ac99ec4090b8869fca13b5aee9e1ddb |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 6:21am
The Facts About 'False' Rape Allegations
Last week our nation was up in arms as police hunted for three men who had allegedly sexually assaulted a 17-year-old girl at knifepoint in Albury. Yet things took a strange turn on Friday evening, when the Border Mail claimed to break the news that the allegations had been “revealed to be a false report” and that police were no longer seeking suspects. An outcry on social media soon followed, with responses to the news including speculation about the girl’s mental health as well as anger at the presumed wasting of police time and resources. Some went so far as to question whether the girl would face charges herself. So, was she lying? If the police found the report to be ‘false’ she must have been, right? Wrong. Very, very wrong. It is pivotal to understand that despite the police labelling the report as ‘false’, this does not mean the assault did not happen. I’m not going to try to speculate on what did or didn’t happen in her case, but will instead share with you some unsettling facts about ‘false’ rape allegations. In Australia, about 2 per cent of sexual assault reports are classified as ‘false’, yet what actually determines a report to be ‘false’ is essentially undefined. What that means is that included in the 2 per cent, in addition to reports that have actually been disproven, are reports that have been withdrawn as well as judgment calls made by police. Therefore, if a women chooses to withdraw her sexual assault allegation or a police officer suspects she is lying, it can be classified as ‘false’. There is a myriad of reasons as to why a woman might withdraw sexual assault allegations. Some of which may include fear of retribution (statistically, the likelihood is that the abuser is someone she knows); a belief that the process will affect her recovery (and considering the unlikelihood of conviction, many women are advised that re-living the trauma of the assault through a lengthy court process would not be beneficial); and fear of police disbelief or blame. While most of us would believe that for an allegation to be classified as ‘false’ it must be determined that the crime did not occur through an investigation; this is not the reality. In fact, there is no consistency in what police classify as ‘false’ and each case is therefore entirely subject to police bias. This is an unsettling fact when there is evidence to suggest that in up to 75 per cent of cases classified as ‘false’ by police, stereotypical judgements were made based on the defendant’s demeanour, behaviour or motive. Research paints a very dark picture of the way some police view victim/survivors of sexual assault: • A 1995 survey of Victorian police revealed that 44 per cent of Criminal Investigation Branch members disbelieved victims of sexual assault. • A 2004 study of the Victorian Criminal Investigations unit found that members believed that about half of all withdrawn complaints were false. Many stating that it was possible to ‘just tell’ when a report was false. • A 2008 survey of United States police officers revealed that the majority believed that between 11-50 per cent of rape allegations were false reports. • A 2004 New Zealand study found “a dominant mindset of suspicion underlying police responses to reports of sexual assault” amongst some police. Factors that influenced police disbelief of reports included intoxication, previous consensual sex with the offender, being a sex worker and having an intellectual disability or a psychiatric illness. These findings are staggering when you consider that one in five Australian women have experienced sexual assault. They suggest a deep, insidious, systemic mistrust of women. With this in mind, is it really that surprising that sexual assault remains one of the most under-reported crimes in our legal system (an estimated four out of five sexual assaults currently goes unreported)? The odds of successfully prosecuting someone for sexual assault in Australia are abysmal. Of those incidents that actually do get reported, only a very small proportion will result in a conviction. A Victorian study found that police did not lay charges in 85 per cent of reported sexual assault cases, and were more likely to decline to pursue a case if it involved a young person who knew their offender or who used drugs or alcohol. Of those cases that result in a charge, only one in six will result in a conviction. While these police attitudes are alarming, they are simply a reflection of the myths surrounding rape believed and perpetuated by wider society. In fact, sexual assault allegations are more likely to be taken seriously by police if they align with common rape myths. The notion that the majority of rape cases are committed against young, attractive women wearing revealing clothing by strangers in dark alleyways is both problematic and inaccurate. These myths self-perpetuate as women who make sexual assault accusations that do not fit this incorrect narrative are disbelieved. With their allegations going unproven, they are then painted as malicious liars and wasters of police time, playing into an inherent yet unfounded fear held by men of being wrongly accused of rape. In turn, the willingness of the next victim/survivor to report sexual assault is obstructed by what has proved to be a rational fear of not being believed or being blamed for the assault. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 6:22am
This cycle needs to end. The evidence strongly suggests an organisational culture of mistrust and suspicion of women in the Police Force that is not founded in reality, and is instead fuelled by pernicious myths about rape and women’s behaviour.
These beliefs are extremely damaging and directly contribute to rape culture. They put up barriers for women to report rape, they create a fear in women of pressing charges, and they obstruct justice being served to those committing these crimes. We need reform in the Police Force to confront these attitudes and remove barriers to reporting sexual assault. It is only through doing this that we can change distorted societal and institutional views on sexual assault and begin to end rape culture in our society. https://newmatilda.com/2015/05/09/facts-about-false-rape-allegations/ |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 23rd, 2017 at 7:56am rhino wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 9:51pm:
Post of the Day. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:01am Lord Herbert wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 7:56am:
Why? Because it's so comically wrong? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:20am mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:01am:
It's so correct. I read all the reports years ago. American psychologists were making a financial killing with this fad for supposedly digging up repressed memories in young girls that they had been molested/raped by male members of their family, neighbours, and relatives. It reached such a pitch of hysteria that mothers were taking their girls to these psychologists to see if similar revelations could be coaxed out of their daughters. To her great credit it was an American female judge who brought this whole filthy industry of lies and allegations crashing down into a burning heap. God only knows the despair and suffering that so many fathers and uncles had to endure during this awful period when daughters and nieces all over America were 'helped' to discover repressed memories of having been molested. I'll see if I can't dig up the name of this heroic judge who finally had had enough of this disgusting industry that had swept America like one of those mass hysterias of Medieval times. It's reminiscent of the Salem Witch hunts. link Don't be too proud to offer Rhino an apology. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:30am Lord Herbert wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:20am:
And what were the actual numbers? And how does that impact on Australian statistics regarding the rape of men and women? And the claim 40% of rapes are false? Or that police are skeptical of rape cases because "they know the odds are its probably false"? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:33am mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 6:22am:
Are you saying that the law may in some circumstance seek to blame the victim? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:36am BigOl64 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:33am:
Not the judiciary, legally. Why do you struggle so hard with this point? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:48am
how do you put an end to human nature?????..
yes sadly males of the specious hunting down sexual quarries..is perfectly normal....we see it all the time in the wild...however because humans have a higher intelligence..we expect more... and I believe for the most part men are decent and yes they do respect females. all varieties not just their wives/partners.. and then we have the feral few....who have no control over their behaviour....I for one do not even pretend to understand these types what the hell makes a serial murderer a rapist a terrorist! who knows ::)... if we could figure that out the world would be much safer wouldnt it?.. I do not believe anything we do will prevent the next rape....lucky me all the men in my life are decent and kind..I wish everyone else the same. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:53am mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:36am:
The the police are not considered as part of the law then? And the legal defence of provocation also doesn't and has never existed, as well? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:54am mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:30am:
One thing I totally agree with is that the vast majority of rapes are not reported. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 9:00am BigOl64 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:53am:
Buggered if i know what you're trying to argue, BigOl. All i have said is that there is no judicial qualification for "victim blaming". In the courts, it is either rape or it is not. Long gone are the days when women were held legally accountable for being out at night in high heels, despite what Herbie would have us believe. "Provocation" doesn't cut it for rape. It hasn't for many years. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 23rd, 2017 at 9:07am mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 9:00am:
'Provocation' should never have been a mitigating factor when sentencing a rapist - I agree. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 23rd, 2017 at 9:07am
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 11:50am mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 5:59am:
And you talk about projection ! |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:12pm mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 9:00am:
At long last you acknowledge that it did exist and the law did up until recently blame victims for their own situation. And only nearly 30 fkken pages. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] That was like pulling a tooth where the roots are wrapped around the jaw and there is no anesthetic. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:30pm BigOl64 wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:12pm:
Where did i ever deny that it has happened historically? I have merely, and repeatedly, asked you to qualify how victim responsibility pertains in a legal sense to rape, as was your claim.. Did you notice a past tense in there? I suggest you have a reread of this thread to see how you've gone so horribly wrong. Page 7 on. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:33pm Agnes wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 11:50am:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:35pm
Oh hello Rhino. Are you here to substantiate your claims?
I've been looking forward to this. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:37pm mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:35pm:
So you can load him up with a few bogus links that no one bothers to read..what a legend |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:38pm
You mean "facts", Agnes.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:39pm rhino wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:33pm:
So I have noticed lol, dont forget deranged and uneducated, yes TAFE gives out "keeping it real " certificates for the plebs ;D |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:40pm mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:38pm:
I doubt you even understand about credible verified sources , you just keep throwing shiit at pp because you have no real arguement of your own ...poor Mothra Send me another useless link that I wont bother to read theres a good girl.Im waiting for "your opinion" Mothra..on tenterhooks here |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:46pm Agnes wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:40pm:
Yes, the 'Australian Institute of Criminology' is bogus. So is the ABS. No, Agnes, unlike you, i am not hinging my arguments on suspicious personal anecdotes. Or in Rhino's case, MRA propaganda . I am stating the actual case. And backing it up with facts. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:49pm mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:46pm:
How predictable-cherry picking "facts" from dubious sources -lol-give me a break...so fascinating -not |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:52pm Agnes wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:49pm:
Dubious sources? Here's a suggestion. Instead of lamely heckling from the peanut gallery, do some research. See if you can prove me wrong. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:59pm
will this be your story in some futuristic archealogical dig. ( spell)
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 23rd, 2017 at 2:11pm rhino wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:33pm:
Not everyone. Just those completely devoid of empathy. And i've never been to TAFE ... and i'm not a social worker (which i have explained to you several times now is a Uni qualification) ... but keep guessing if you like. I find it highly amusing. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by BigOl64 on May 23rd, 2017 at 2:37pm mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 1:30pm:
I made a valid statement requiring no further clarification or validation. You DEMANDED I answer a separate question, and since I don't respect or particularly like you I did't bother and since then you have carried on like fkken lunatic wiping sh1t on the walls of this thread. Yeah well done, you are totally worth conversing with. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 23rd, 2017 at 2:46pm mothra wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 2:11pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 23rd, 2017 at 2:58pm rhino wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 2:46pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 3:00pm
You can indeed get a Social Worker qualification through Tafe .I am part way through one already...Tafe and University are affilliated now and have been for quite a while and all my subjects from University have been transferred over as a credit ~sorry about that
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 23rd, 2017 at 3:08pm rhino wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 2:46pm:
If she did, advanced google search cannot find it. What it did find is this comment of hers made on the 12th August, 2016 in response to a garbage post from you: Quote:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 23rd, 2017 at 3:21pm Aussie wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 2:58pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 23rd, 2017 at 3:24pm Aussie wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 3:08pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 23rd, 2017 at 4:35pm rhino wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 3:24pm:
You did not challenge her then Rhino, and you were in direct conversation with her. Gee, who will I believe here.....Rhino, Mothra.......sorry Rhino, you lose. Post a link, Rhino. Prove your claim. You'll forgive me for disbelieving you when the evidence is that she specifically disclaimed being a social worker. You are having a lousy day again, Rhino. ;D |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 23rd, 2017 at 4:54pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:54am:
if they are "not" reported how can you possibly know that??>. at best an educated guess.....at worst.. just something to back up your claims.... a lot are reported... its just do they get to court! is more like the point... as we know unless it goes to court we do not hear about it...... most due to privacy... tell me how you know the VAST majority dont get reported herb?... |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 23rd, 2017 at 4:56pm
isnt it wonderful to see aussie jumping to a ladies aid...
I think a few of us know where this is leading .. what do you think agnes???... been there done that! ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 5:48pm cods wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 4:56pm:
Yep soon she will be leaving the toilet seat up and stealing his pile cream and the love in will be over ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 23rd, 2017 at 5:50pm Agnes wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 5:48pm:
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh agnes you naughty girl... you know things we dont know dont you??? ;) ;) I know you two have a lot of history but I didnt know it went that far.. :) :) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 23rd, 2017 at 5:55pm Is that you on the left Agnes, you in the middle Cods and Neferti on the right? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 6:00pm
I knew you would make that connection cods.. but as A would say NAHHH
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 23rd, 2017 at 7:09pm Aussie wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 4:35pm:
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nah, having a great day. Started by owning you a few times here, did an hour of training, took the mrs to lunch, put a shed up round the back. Now owning you again here. :) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 23rd, 2017 at 7:45pm Aussie wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 4:35pm:
Come on Rhino, you've been busy calling people 'liars' today. Let's see you establish you are not one. Show us where Mothra claimed to be a social worker. I have found where she told you directly that she was not, nine months ago! Yet, you are dragging the chain. Stump up boyo, or will you accept the liar tag? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 7:49pm
You are inserting yourself in a conversation that has nothing to do with you...so you are owed no explanation..
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 23rd, 2017 at 7:53pm Agnes wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 7:49pm:
I agree I am owed no explanation. That is owed to Mothra about whom it seems Rhino blatantly lied, accusing her of something totally, and provably untrue. I'd do the same for you Agnes. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 23rd, 2017 at 7:54pm Aussie wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 7:45pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 23rd, 2017 at 7:58pm Quote:
I spent all of ten minutes establishing that you falsely accused Mothra. In fact, in that ten minutes, I found where, on the 12th August, 2016, Mothra told you directly that she was not a social worker. You blatantly lied. Wear it. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:04pm
nah, you found nothing and you spent hours at it. You are a strange sad little man with bizarre beliefs. I will come back later and own you a little more though, you may have my pity but not my sympathy.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:06pm rhino wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:04pm:
When you come back.....come with the link to where Mothra claimed to be a social worker. Toddle off now. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:16pm
nah, I will stay for a little while and continue to own you on this as well. Mothra never claimed not to be a social worker until today , all you did is post a link where she says the degrees she holds are not in social work.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:24pm rhino wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 2:46pm:
Show us all where. I really am your Huckleberry, aren't I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE 8-) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:28pm Aussie wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 7:53pm:
then you need to shut up and I will never need your help sorry |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:30pm Aussie wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:24pm:
You wish.. you don't hold a candle arsie |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:32pm Agnes wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:28pm:
You have and will again Agnes. When are you going to take Rhino to task and ask him to prove his claim that Mothra said she was a social worker, or will you not bother because she is not on your current Christmas card list? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 23rd, 2017 at 9:09pm Aussie wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 5:55pm:
thats fine with me...at least we dont USE each other.. unlike you sir. oh yes everyone you speak to here and other places tell the same story....about you sir....and it aint pretty because we all have personal experience.. :( :(.. you are very good at pointing the ugly finger...it makes you puff out your little chest makes you important.. [to someone] but as time goes by... more and more say exactly the same things about you.....so no sir it isnt just us 3. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 23rd, 2017 at 9:10pm Agnes wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:28pm:
like we have said agnes... if he does you a favor he wants one in return....usually bigger... ::) ::) ::).. and in my case breaking some serious rules .... :'( :'( :'( who would have thought aussie would ask anyone to break serious rules.. :( :( |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 9:13pm Aussie wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 8:32pm:
I have learned my lesson the hard way with you, but I have learned it well.I saw how nasty you turned toward me in Reds forum,( you like dark corners to hide in) and that wasn't the only time..you have abused me in Monks and in here, via pm etc..so no I wont be asking for your "help" and I never have, you are weird nasty "man" who feigns concern and support, but in reality...? Quote:
She is nasty weird one just like you who makes all kinds of outrageous claims about herself for attention..she is disingenious to the extreme so I am never likely to add her to any lists I might make in the future.. I have no doubt she lies about being a social worker, if going by current events is anything to go by. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Agnes on May 23rd, 2017 at 9:18pm cods wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 9:10pm:
Aussie aka Voldemort, uses most pp..and then when he gets what he wants/they wake up to him one way or the other,then he turns on them with abuse and harrasment...dont feel bad cods, many have been used by him and have felt betrayed and hurt by him- it is not your fault cods, a few of us have been there already ~ |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 23rd, 2017 at 9:22pm
All we need now is Neferti.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 23rd, 2017 at 11:15pm Aussie wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 9:22pm:
sob sob.. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Rhino on May 23rd, 2017 at 11:24pm Aussie wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 9:22pm:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 23rd, 2017 at 11:26pm cods wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 11:15pm:
Wot's to sob about cods? I know how much you and Agnes just admire Neferti so much! You each have said so loud and long. Heck, for what its worth cods, Agnes has never bagged you anywhere or ever. She has been an unwavering trooper for you.......always......truly. You girls always stick together, we know. ;) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 23rd, 2017 at 11:30pm
this isnt about sticking together r.c... its about using people to see you falling all over mothra is quite funny...but at the same time not so funny ....
I dont need to explain most folks on here know exactly what I am talking about..... and agnes and nef have never asked me for favours r.c.......never... |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 23rd, 2017 at 11:37pm cods wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 11:30pm:
I'm sure....like me.....'most people' do not have clue what you are talking about, cods. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 24th, 2017 at 7:45am Aussie wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 5:55pm:
The Pointer Sisters after they'd converted? :-[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-jdhorGtQI |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 8:13am
Let me address the general lunacy of the last few pages, which have been highly amusing:
I am not now, nor have i ever been a Social Worker (not that there is anything wrong with being a Social Worker). I have never claimed to be a Social Worker. I told Rhino once upon a time that i advocate for Indigenous clients and he, with his limited resources, made up his mind that that meant i was a Social Worker. I tried to disavow him of this at the time, as i have done since, but to no avail. He had made up his mind and now uses it to try to insult me. As though it is in itself an insult If have been very deliberate to not state my title online. You require a university or accredited college degree to qualify as a Social Worker. It is called the Bachelor of Social Work and it cannot be attained through TAFE. You can do a certificates and diplomas through TAFE, but not degrees. You can earn credit towards a degree from TAFE (and other accredited colleges) but the degree itself needs to be from a university or sufficiently accredited college. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 8:20am cods wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 4:54pm:
Not reported to the police, Cods. That doesn't mean they are not reported to other agencies. Furthermore, much of what we know has been collected through scientific surveys. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 24th, 2017 at 8:42am cods wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 4:54pm:
Don't poop your bloomers, codsey-baby. Write-ins, phone-ins, magazine surveys, university research, hospital records compared to local police records ... and other avenues of inquiry and research. I've read any number of articles in which rape victims who DID report their assaults confessed later to media interviewers that because of all the attention they received and the 'notoriety' of having been 'soiled' by a rapist, and the hostile questioning by cynical police, and the stigma making them move to a new address - they regretted ever having reported it to the police in the first place. That makes sense to me. As a boy I was the victim of aggressive homosexual attention on several occasions ~ we're talking 'hands-on' here ~ but not once did I report this to anyone. I let it remain as a Dirty Secret rather than go through the process of 'exposure' and social stigma, etc etc. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 24th, 2017 at 8:46am Aussie wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 11:37pm:
you wish pet....you really wish that... people have pointed out to me what to expect from an aussie friendship... and guess what... step by step you proved them right......and those people are still posting members on here..... sorry to point you faults out like this but you keep talking the innocent and you aint.... it doesnt bother me to be honest now I am awake up to you thanks to your behavior no one elses.... when I talk about you or anyone else that talks trash about me.... I tell the truth....and thaey know it.. dont try to scramble as is your want to get off the hook and change the topic like bringing nef into this... your jumping to mothras aid is so indicative of you it isnt even funny....but thats for her to find out.... this is about you...I call you the artful dodger because the moment you are outed out comes the lies innuendos nasty cracks..[ no one understands what you are talking about]...and diversions....you never fail... you would probably be quite a decent poster if you were not so committed to being in control and being so bloody personal when people dont do as you will them to so... pretend all you like aussie.....but you know I am telling the truth....I am not fond of doing this in public but you know as well as I do, you leave people no option... like you I dont forget either. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 24th, 2017 at 9:03am Lord Herbert wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 8:42am:
sorry to hear that herb.... and I wouldnt put anything said on here to be about anyones personal experience....all I can say is you would have been very young.. and whenyou are young you dont really understand what is going on and you certainly wouldnt know it was illegal this is the point of going back so far.........as the Royal is now proving... they dont talk about rape of children do they?... its called sexual abuse.... ::) ::) as if its different in some way... years ago lawyers made the victims out to be the villains where legals were allowed to bring up HER PAST but not the perps..... it made sense to some!.. it is still harrowing I would think to sit in court and tell the world while you relive those moments....the ones you have tried to block out of your head for months.... >:( >:(would be the pitts.... people in these case need justice... they really do...men that are found guilty of more than once should be locked away for many years.. herb there are no simple solutions nothing legal that I know off at this stage anyway......and it is how we deal with crap like this... that makes us better. we do at least care and never stop working to find those solutions.. they are out there we just dont look in the right places..but we will.. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Lord Herbert on May 24th, 2017 at 9:49am cods wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 9:03am:
;D ;D ;D Codsey off with the pixies again. I knew exactly 'what was going on', but in the '50's 'such things' were never spoken of in polite society, and children even into their teenage years were most definitely not supposed to bring 'this sort' of problem to the notice of adults who would then be angry with you for obliging them to open up this Pandora's Box you've brought them to deal with as a massive problem involving him/herself, parents, the offender, the police, the courts, your peers, and ... What a nuisance you've made of yourself to inconvenience so many people when all you need have done was shut up and get on with your life. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 24th, 2017 at 9:50am mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:42pm:
I never said that .... you're a fargin liar as well. After you first mentioned him .... in a later post I said No wonder he left. If you're gonna be a liar be a good one you've got a ways to go with a lot of things |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 24th, 2017 at 9:51am Unforgiven wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Hypocrite. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 24th, 2017 at 9:54am mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:46pm:
You said he did. ::) A good self assessment ... you do it ad infinitum hypocrite |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 9:54am Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:57pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492686149/119 Apology when you're ready, thanks Gnads. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Unforgiven on May 24th, 2017 at 9:55am Gnads wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 9:51am:
Thanks for your confession Gnads, darling. This is the first step in overcoming Gnads' social deviances. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 24th, 2017 at 9:56am mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:50pm:
Why? ... because the truth hurts ey? ;D |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 9:57am Gnads wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 9:54am:
No. I didn't. I said you suggested he left me. Because you are that rude and that petty. Apology please. Whenever you're ready. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 9:58am Gnads wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 9:56am:
No. Because it's gibberish. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 24th, 2017 at 10:00am Unforgiven wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 6:58pm:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You're a real pill ... and you're just a female version. ::) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 24th, 2017 at 10:01am mothra wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 9:58am:
If it's gibberish then you ought give it away right now. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 10:02am
Apology please, Gnads.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 24th, 2017 at 10:04am mothra wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 9:57am:
I'll take a leaf out of your book ..... show me where I suggested he left you. You spend so much time here you don't remember the half you say. I'll put that down to volume & not good enough recall instead of calling you a liar. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 10:05am Gnads wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 10:04am:
I already did. Look up. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 10:06am
And i don't need to remember what i say, Gnads. That is the domain of liars and frantic abusers.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 24th, 2017 at 10:19am mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Is that similar to your believing in the malevolence of men? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 24th, 2017 at 10:20am mothra wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 10:05am:
It's not there ... is it? ::) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 10:21am Gnads wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 10:19am:
I don't. No matter how many times you say it. But you seem to be avoiding offering me the apology i am owed. Lack of integrity? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 10:23am Gnads wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 10:20am:
Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:57pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492686149/119 |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 10:24am Gnads wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 9:50am:
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 24th, 2017 at 10:25am mothra wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 10:06am:
Then you'd feel quite at home then. Every contradiction is abuse to you. Is your constant inference that people you "debate with"... & I use that term loosely .... need help in understanding you're angle or point because you'll "have to explain it to them again" etc etc having a sly go at their intelligence ...... and a form abuse too? ;) |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 10:25am
Apology, when you're ready.
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 24th, 2017 at 10:27am mothra wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 10:23am:
Ahhhhhh ..... so you've gone trolling back a ways to a completely irrelevant post to this subject. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 24th, 2017 at 10:27am Lord Herbert wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 9:49am:
mate the sex word was never heard in my childhood.... I was 17 when I heard my first talk on lesbians.. ::) ::) and then it was behind the hand stuff...lol. talk about ignorant. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 10:28am
Every contradiction is certainly not abuse. Gnads.
I know you lack the skills to debate without resorting to ad hominem, but the same is not true for the rest of us. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 10:31am Gnads wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 10:27am:
Focus Gnads. I am proving that you suggested my husband left me. A claim over which you called me a liar. Apology please. Whenever you're ready. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 10:36am
Funny how Gnads, after accusing me of lying, demands i show him proof ... then accuses me of "trolling" when i do so.
Anything to avoid an apology, i suppose. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 24th, 2017 at 10:56am mothra wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 10:36am:
Was it valid to this thread? I was dealing with the here & now ... this thread. And I won't be apologising for something I said a while back I said it back then ..... it was an observation just like observations you make whether they are accurate or not. So I'd advise you not to hold your breath waiting for something you're not entitled to. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 24th, 2017 at 10:58am Quote:
I am none the wiser, cods. I am 'friend' to no-one on line. I have friends in real life. I seek no friendship on line, but others seem unable to function on the www unless they believe some-one is their friend. You for example? |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 11:01am
It's alright, Gnads. i wasn't holding my breath. I already knew you had no integrity.
But, just for clarification, i'm not asking for an apology for what you said about my husband back in April. I accept that you are revolting. I am asking you to apologise for calling me a liar for saying you said it. Which you did in this thread. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by cods on May 24th, 2017 at 11:13am Aussie wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 10:58am:
ahhhh exactly as was predicted... ::) ::).. again pet this isnt about friendsits about you pet...your behavior its amusing when you think about you control a place called relationships when you admit its the last thing you either want or are interested in....you just want to bag people.. I dont think too many on here seeking out your help or company as one would a friendthats for sure.... so you have no worries there its your choice to ignore what people say to you...I personally dont give a stuff what you believe or think.. I talk from my own experience...when people warnes me about you which goes back a few years when i would defend you against PA persons long before I even read anything from that site....and if you had a shred of decency you would admit that I did stick up for you....but its ok sunshine like that apology I never received..because you consider you did nothing wrong...in those days you claimed the same thing....no wait a minute you still claim you did not a thing a wrong at PA to get sacked twice banned for life twice and every member against you..>... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D keep living in denial aussie its the only way you could possibly survive., |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 24th, 2017 at 11:13am mothra wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 11:01am:
You mentioned your "husband" in this thread not me. That inference & my response was purely in regard to this thread not one last month. So you were called a liar based on what was written in this post not back in April. You should have made yourself more clear .... but then again it suits your agenda. As for being revolting ... it's takes one to know one. And I didn't actually say anything about your husband ... I asked you a sarcastic question as to his where abouts. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Gnads on May 24th, 2017 at 11:15am
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Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by mothra on May 24th, 2017 at 11:16am Gnads wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 11:13am:
No integrity at all. As i already knew. |
Title: Re: Rapists are getting too little jail time Post by Aussie on May 24th, 2017 at 2:20pm Quote:
If I ask for someone to defend me (no flakes chance in Hell of that on here) and they did, I would thank them. With one exception....(I suspended mantra for too long) I have no problem at all with my conduct at the sewer, and it reflects only on those who occupy it that they wallow in it. |
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