Commenced in year 859.

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/italy/articles/the-12-oldest-universities-in-the-world/


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University of Karueein, 859 Guinness World Records names this university the ‘oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world’. The University of Karueein, also known as the Al Quaraouyine University, was founded by Fatima al-Fihri in 859 in Fes, Morocco, as a community mosque with an associated school. Today the university still exists, offering studies in Islamic studies, legal sciences, comparative jurisprudence and more.

They peaked too soon

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

the ‘oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world’

Not necessarily the oldest.

"As early as 700 B.C., there existed a giant University at Takshashila, located in the northwest region of Bharat (India)."

http://veda.wikidot.com/tip:world-first-university-takshila

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

Commenced in year 859. https://theculturetrip.com/europe/italy/articles/the-12-oldest-universities-in-the-world/ Quote: University of Karueein, 859 Guinness World Records names this university the ‘oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world’. The University of Karueein, also known as the Al Quaraouyine University, was founded by Fatima al-Fihri in 859 in Fes, Morocco, as a community mosque with an associated school. Today the university still exists, offering studies in Islamic studies, legal sciences, comparative jurisprudence and more.

You left out.
Pedophelia, murder, terrorism, rape, racism, genocide, homosexuality, rock throwing, advanced rock throwing, wall toppling, and doctorate in rock throwing.

Valkie wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:58pm: Commenced in year 859. https://theculturetrip.com/europe/italy/articles/the-12-oldest-universities-in-the-world/ Quote: University of Karueein, 859 Guinness World Records names this university the ‘oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world’. The University of Karueein, also known as the Al Quaraouyine University, was founded by Fatima al-Fihri in 859 in Fes, Morocco, as a community mosque with an associated school. Today the university still exists, offering studies in Islamic studies, legal sciences, comparative jurisprudence and more. You left out. Pedophelia, murder, terrorism, rape, racism, genocide, homosexuality, rock throwing, advanced rock throwing, wall toppling, and doctorate in rock throwing.

Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.  It colours all your thinking, it seems.   ::) ::)

Gordon wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:

They peaked too soon

its been backwards ever since.

Gordon wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:

They peaked too soon

I doubt they really made foothills worth of exceptionality.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:37am:

Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.  It colours all your thinking, it seems.   ::) ::)

"Islamophobia".... the thinking man's survival instinct.

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 3:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 12:37am: Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.  It colours all your thinking, it seems.   ::) ::) "Islamophobia".... the thinking man's survival instinct.

No ... it's just a weasel word used by weasels.

In fact it's a concocted word being used by non-muslims at the biding of those who designed it for that purpose..
Muslims.

Like good little Dhimmi Kuffar they are.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 12:37am:

Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:24pm: Unforgiven wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:58pm: Commenced in year 859. https://theculturetrip.com/europe/italy/articles/the-12-oldest-universities-in-the-world/ Quote: University of Karueein, 859 Guinness World Records names this university the ‘oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world’. The University of Karueein, also known as the Al Quaraouyine University, was founded by Fatima al-Fihri in 859 in Fes, Morocco, as a community mosque with an associated school. Today the university still exists, offering studies in Islamic studies, legal sciences, comparative jurisprudence and more. You left out. Pedophelia, murder, terrorism, rape, racism, genocide, homosexuality, rock throwing, advanced rock throwing, wall toppling, and doctorate in rock throwing. Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.  It colours all your thinking, it seems.   ::) ::)

Not really, just trying to ensure that a full description of all available studies are listed.
You probably think this was for both men and women.

Thunk agin, men only.

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

Commenced in year 859. https://theculturetrip.com/europe/italy/articles/the-12-oldest-universities-in-the-world/ Quote: University of Karueein, 859 Guinness World Records names this university the ‘oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world’. The University of Karueein, also known as the Al Quaraouyine University, was founded by Fatima al-Fihri in 859 in Fes, Morocco, as a community mosque with an associated school. Today the university still exists, offering studies in Islamic studies, legal sciences, comparative jurisprudence and more.

It's a Muslim madrassa.

It was incorporated into Morocco's modern state university system in 1963.

Valkie wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 12:37am: Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:24pm: Unforgiven wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:58pm: Commenced in year 859. https://theculturetrip.com/europe/italy/articles/the-12-oldest-universities-in-the-world/ Quote: University of Karueein, 859 Guinness World Records names this university the ‘oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world’. The University of Karueein, also known as the Al Quaraouyine University, was founded by Fatima al-Fihri in 859 in Fes, Morocco, as a community mosque with an associated school. Today the university still exists, offering studies in Islamic studies, legal sciences, comparative jurisprudence and more. You left out. Pedophelia, murder, terrorism, rape, racism, genocide, homosexuality, rock throwing, advanced rock throwing, wall toppling, and doctorate in rock throwing. Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.  It colours all your thinking, it seems.   ::) ::) Not really, just trying to ensure that a full description of all available studies are listed. You probably think this was for both men and women. Thunk agin, men only.

Tsk, tsk, just promoting Islamophobia, Valkie?  Naughty, naughty, boy.    ::)

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 3:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 12:37am: Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.  It colours all your thinking, it seems.   ::) ::) "Islamophobia".... the [un]thinking man's survival instinct.

Fixed it for you, UnSubRocky.   ::)

Gnads wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 6:38am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 3:07am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 12:37am: Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.  It colours all your thinking, it seems.   ::) ::) "Islamophobia".... the thinking man's survival instinct. No ... it's just a weasel word used by weasels. In fact it's a concocted word being used by non-muslims at the biding of those who designed it for that purpose.. Muslims. Like good little Dhimmi Kuffar they are.

More Islamophobia?  Tsk, tsk, you'd think you'd be ashamed to display your attitudes in public, the way you do.   ::) ::)

Ibn Sina wrote the Canon of Medicine, he was an atheist.

Of course the dopey dim witted dumbfvckistans in this forum like little pecca,mothra,john smith and arsie think he was a muslim.

Why do Islamic apologists attribute the work of atheists to islam, has their islamophilia rotted their brains?

Islamic sources say Ibn Sina was atheist
islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=87783

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

Ibn Sina wrote the Canon of Medicine, he was an atheist. Of course the dopey dim witted dumbfvckistans in this forum like little pecca,mothra,john smith and arsie think he was a muslim. Why do Islamic apologists attribute the work of atheists to islam, has their islamophilia rotted their brains? Islamic sources say Ibn Sina was atheist islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=87783

Because the only thing this CULT has ever given to the world has been barbarity, horror and terror.

There is no positive spin on this CULT.
It is lead by the insane.
Who are guided by a prophet who was obviously insane
Is full of insane followers
And is protected by insane apologists, sympathisers, sycophants and retards.

Does that make it a little clearer?

Where Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves got their degrees eh.....

In this case, the word university is being used rather loosely.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 3:07am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 12:37am: Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.  It colours all your thinking, it seems.   ::) ::) "Islamophobia".... the [un]thinking man's survival instinct. Fixed it for you, UnSubRocky.   ::)

You like fixings things, don't you Brian? Like to fix Australia into becoming a third world country, would you not?

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 12:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:03pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 3:07am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 12:37am: Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.  It colours all your thinking, it seems.   ::) ::) "Islamophobia".... the [un]thinking man's survival instinct. Fixed it for you, UnSubRocky.   ::) You like fixings things, don't you Brian? Like to fix Australia into becoming a third world country, would you not?

Brian doesn't want UnsubRocky's job.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

Ibn Sina wrote the Canon of Medicine, he was an atheist. Of course the dopey dim witted dumbfvckistans in this forum like little pecca,mothra,john smith and arsie think he was a muslim. Why do Islamic apologists attribute the work of atheists to islam, has their islamophilia rotted their brains? Islamic sources say Ibn Sina was atheist islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=87783

There's so much wrong with this post, it's hard to know where to start.

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 12:30pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 30th, 2017 at 12:28pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:03pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 3:07am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 12:37am: Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.  It colours all your thinking, it seems.   ::) ::) "Islamophobia".... the [un]thinking man's survival instinct. Fixed it for you, UnSubRocky.   ::) You like fixings things, don't you Brian? Like to fix Australia into becoming a third world country, would you not? Brian doesn't want UnsubRocky's job.

That being, to reinvigorate the Australian economy and to become a powerhouse in the world. No, Brian does not want to do that. He wants to chain us to being very afraid to avoid developing a high standard of living.

Valkie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 7:43am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:45pm: Ibn Sina wrote the Canon of Medicine, he was an atheist. Of course the dopey dim witted dumbfvckistans in this forum like little pecca,mothra,john smith and arsie think he was a muslim. Why do Islamic apologists attribute the work of atheists to islam, has their islamophilia rotted their brains? Islamic sources say Ibn Sina was atheist islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=87783 Because the only thing this CULT has ever given to the world has been barbarity, horror and terror. There is no positive spin on this CULT. It is lead by the insane. Who are guided by a prophet who was obviously insane Is full of insane followers And is protected by insane apologists, sympathisers, sycophants and retards. Does that make it a little clearer?

You really shouldn't talk about Christianity like that, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 12:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:03pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 3:07am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 12:37am: Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.  It colours all your thinking, it seems.   ::) ::) "Islamophobia".... the [un]thinking man's survival instinct. Fixed it for you, UnSubRocky.   ::) You like fixings things, don't you Brian? Like to fix Australia into becoming a third world country, would you not?

Tsk, tsk, dearie, dearie me.  UnSubRocky I am surprised.  I have no desire to make Australia a third world country.  I leave that to the Islamophobes/Racists/Xenophobes.  They're doing such a poor job though, aren't they?   ::) ::)

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 1:19pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 30th, 2017 at 12:30pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 30th, 2017 at 12:28pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:03pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 3:07am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 12:37am: Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.  It colours all your thinking, it seems.   ::) ::) "Islamophobia".... the [un]thinking man's survival instinct. Fixed it for you, UnSubRocky.   ::) You like fixings things, don't you Brian? Like to fix Australia into becoming a third world country, would you not? Brian doesn't want UnsubRocky's job. That being, to reinvigorate the Australian economy and to become a powerhouse in the world. No, Brian does not want to do that. He wants to chain us to being very afraid to avoid developing a high standard of living.

Really?  I want to do that?  And on what basis do you make that conclusion, UnSubRocky?  I believe very much Australia can and is a powerhouse, when the Government of the day wants it to be.   The Liberal-Nationals are frightened of losing control.  Labour is also afraid of losing control.   The PHONies just want to control everybody and everything.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 6:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 12:37am: Valkie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 8:24pm: Unforgiven wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:58pm: Commenced in year 859. https://theculturetrip.com/europe/italy/articles/the-12-oldest-universities-in-the-world/ Quote: University of Karueein, 859 Guinness World Records names this university the ‘oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world’. The University of Karueein, also known as the Al Quaraouyine University, was founded by Fatima al-Fihri in 859 in Fes, Morocco, as a community mosque with an associated school. Today the university still exists, offering studies in Islamic studies, legal sciences, comparative jurisprudence and more. You left out. Pedophelia, murder, terrorism, rape, racism, genocide, homosexuality, rock throwing, advanced rock throwing, wall toppling, and doctorate in rock throwing. Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.  It colours all your thinking, it seems.   ::) ::) Not really, just trying to ensure that a full description of all available studies are listed. You probably think this was for both men and women. Thunk agin, men only. Tsk, tsk, just promoting Islamophobia, Valkie?  Naughty, naughty, boy.    ::)

That place is the 'oldest university' only in the sense that 'Brian has a doctorate' or 'Brian has been trained to think coherently, weigh evidence and make cogent arguments'

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 5:16pm:

Really?  I want to do that?  And on what basis do you make that conclusion, UnSubRocky?  I believe very much Australia can and is a powerhouse, when the Government of the day wants it to be.   The Liberal-Nationals are frightened of losing control.  Labour is also afraid of losing control.   The PHONies just want to control everybody and everything.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian, you have this severe "walking on eggshells" attitude when dealing with race-related issues. Simply ignoring the problem of certain immigrants getting away committing crimes because we don't want to "look racist" in the world media is what has allowed those immigrants to look upon Australians with contempt. Perhaps your generation grew up being forced to accept new Muslims immigrants and to turn a blind eye to their antisocial behaviour. My generation did. 20 years on, I have had to (even in my location) deal with their antisocial behaviour on a small scale. Trust me, with my work, I have had to deal with former prisoners. I prefer many of those people compared to the rantings of Muslims. Apparently, being agnostic is something you keep declaring on Census forms, and to no one who looks Middle Eastern. How many death threats/attempts have you had against your life?

Australia is going to have to "harden the **** up" when it comes to race relations. We can't keep having this pussy-footing around because certain ethnic minorities (hell, we could probably include various caucasian people too) have this oversensitive attitude regarding race and cultural issues. We don't need to put up with criticism from people labeling others "Islamophobes" because their target has a problem with people into pedophilia, gang rape, misogyny, welfare dependence, and a declaration of Jihad over anything that does not exclusively promote Islam.

By the way, Brian. Don't change what I have written. Declaring what you did, or not. I got a warning over doing that to someone else.

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 30th, 2017 at 5:16pm: Really?  I want to do that?  And on what basis do you make that conclusion, UnSubRocky?  I believe very much Australia can and is a powerhouse, when the Government of the day wants it to be.   The Liberal-Nationals are frightened of losing control.  Labour is also afraid of losing control.   The PHONies just want to control everybody and everything.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Brian, you have this severe "walking on eggshells" attitude when dealing with race-related issues. Simply ignoring the problem of certain immigrants getting away committing crimes because we don't want to "look racist" in the world media is what has allowed those immigrants to look upon Australians with contempt. Perhaps your generation grew up being forced to accept new Muslims immigrants and to turn a blind eye to their antisocial behaviour. My generation did. 20 years on, I have had to (even in my location) deal with their antisocial behaviour on a small scale. Trust me, with my work, I have had to deal with former prisoners. I prefer many of those people compared to the rantings of Muslims. Apparently, being agnostic is something you keep declaring on Census forms, and to no one who looks Middle Eastern. How many death threats/attempts have you had against your life? Australia is going to have to "harden the **** up" when it comes to race relations. We can't keep having this pussy-footing around because certain ethnic minorities (hell, we could probably include various caucasian people too) have this oversensitive attitude regarding race and cultural issues. We don't need to put up with criticism from people labeling others "Islamophobes" because their target has a problem with people into pedophilia, gang rape, misogyny, welfare dependence, and a declaration of Jihad over anything that does not exclusively promote Islam.

UnSubRocky, I never grew up with Muslims.  The first Muslim I encountered was Abdul, a Turkish-Cypriot who I served with in the Army.  He was a fine man and a loyal Australian.  My next encounter was when I went to University.   Since then I have worked with, studied with and taught Muslims.  Never had a problem with them.  Nor do I have a problem with calling a spade a spade.   Today, Australia is a cosmopolitan, Multicultural society.   We have no reason to hard the bugger up about anything.   Terrorism is a criminal offence.   Terrorists deserve the full weight of the law being applied to them.   It might have escaped your notice but not all Muslims are Terrorists or supporters of Terrorism.   Muslims in general do not deserve to be treated as anything other than innocent Australians, UnSubRocky.  They do not deserve to be persecuted.   

Australia has a long history of sectarian bigotry.   Today, we have almost completely forgotten about how there was a massive divide between the Protestants and the Catholics, the Christians and the Jews.   It all started to end after WWII when we witnessed what that sort of thing did to the Jews.  The Catholic and Protestant divide ended when the Federal Government started to fund Catholic school's science classrooms.   Today, we are seeing the Muslims being persecuted by Islamophobes like you and the others here.  It absolutely disgusts me.    ::) ::) ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:45pm: Ibn Sina wrote the Canon of Medicine, he was an atheist. Of course the dopey dim witted dumbfvckistans in this forum like little pecca,mothra,john smith and arsie think he was a muslim. Why do Islamic apologists attribute the work of atheists to islam, has their islamophilia rotted their brains? Islamic sources say Ibn Sina was atheist islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=87783 There's so much wrong with this post, it's hard to know where to start.

Start - pray give us your infinite wisdom, master... we are but poor vessels waiting to be filled with the good oil....

"Yeah - but only the TRUE Master would deny his own knowledge and infinite wisdom!"

"So if Greg gives an expo of his view - he's wrong... and if he refuses to do that - he's wrong?"

"Pretty right, Grasshopper."

I often figure that Grigor is right - but I cannot accept a refusal to annihilate a stupid position posted..... to fail to do so is a dereliction of intellectual duty, and is quite possibly depraved indifference..... to knowingly allow a society/culture to pass into the darkness of Unknowing, is simply not asseptible from The Man Of Reason....

Pray give us bountifully of your wisdom, O Great One!

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

Ibn Sina wrote the Canon of Medicine, he was an atheist.

Really?  According to whom?  Most of the biographies that I've accessed seem to say he was a devout Muslim, Baron.  So, who is making the claim he was an Atheist?  ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 11:32pm:

UnSubRocky, I never grew up with Muslims.  The first Muslim I encountered was Abdul, a Turkish-Cypriot who I served with in the Army.  He was a fine man and a loyal Australian.  My next encounter was when I went to University.   Since then I have worked with, studied with and taught Muslims.  Never had a problem with them.  Nor do I have a problem with calling a spade a spade.   Today, Australia is a cosmopolitan, Multicultural society.   We have no reason to hard the bugger up about anything.   Terrorism is a criminal offence.   Terrorists deserve the full weight of the law being applied to them.   It might have escaped your notice but not all Muslims are Terrorists or supporters of Terrorism.   Muslims in general do not deserve to be treated as anything other than innocent Australians, UnSubRocky.  They do not deserve to be persecuted.    Australia has a long history of sectarian bigotry.   Today, we have almost completely forgotten about how there was a massive divide between the Protestants and the Catholics, the Christians and the Jews.   It all started to end after WWII when we witnessed what that sort of thing did to the Jews.  The Catholic and Protestant divide ended when the Federal Government started to fund Catholic school's science classrooms.   Today, we are seeing the Muslims being persecuted by Islamophobes like you and the others here.  It absolutely disgusts me.    ::) ::) ::)

In my life, I have probably spoken to about 100 Muslims. That does not include the customers I have served or the students at my high school or university/TAFE. I work with 3 Muslims. Both good people, although I think one is a drug dealer. Out of the 100 Muslims, 15 of them I have a complete dislike. A few of them have threatened violence and murder against me. That does not hold well for the 85 whom I have no problem.

For the record, I do hold some contempt for various religious fanatics. Not that I have a problem with people who go to church. Just those who make their religion an issue. One Catholic woman threatened murder against me as a 12-year-old. This was due to me taking communion at church. She attended my church, although she was not of my denomination. Apparently, she was an old drunk who could not handle her self-control. She went sober for a long time, and that included pretending to drink the wine. I don't know why she bothered, considering she was so up herself with battling alcoholism. But everytime she walked passed me after communion, she would knock me on my head with her knuckles. Obviously, if she could not handle her drink then no one else could.

All this is part of my anti-extremism campaign to stamp out limp-wristedness. The idea that we need to save other people from their butt hurt. Perhaps you remember Marie-Louise Thiele, the channel 10 news reporter, who would begin her talk about Pauline Hanson with "The race debate continues" with that ominous expression. People would write in to letters to the editor with quotes like "'Race debate'? What race debate?". This is essentially the problem us 20 to 40-year-olds face. Having to put up with the media desperately trying to invent news stories claiming that it is what the populace are discussing.

Then there are issues like sexism being taken to a new level. One where people can simply be abused and accused of sexual harassment on the basis of brief glances, or scowls on someone's face. Basically, we have reached a point where Australia is too afraid to forge ahead with our lives, in the fear of offending someone. Of course, I have witnessed the increasing level of anti-PC in Australian culture to counter this threat.

But there are still people like you that want to "tsk tsk" condescendingly towards posters who have a difference of opinion. It does not matter how many hundreds or thousands of Muslims you have met, studied or worked around, Brian. It matters that you understand their psychology of staying with a religion that basically oppresses their potential. Apostacy is a common part of Muslims migrating to western society. They settle in and then take some point in their life where they convert or renounce religion. Agnosticism and atheism are growing in Australia as people give up their superstitions. But we still have the issue of people who want to violently protest the depiction of their prophet, simply over a cartoon or whoever named a teddy bear "Muhammad". They can piss off to the Muslim majority countries that still like whining over criticism of their religion.

While you brought up the point, I do recall stories that the elder generation have told me about people who clashed in Australia over religion. One lady spoke about her husband's parents telling him to not marry her on account of her religion. That was back in the 1960s. But we don't have that sort of issue these days. Religion is something that is on the outer in this country. And normally, it is considered a non-issue.... Perhaps only being brought forward to people's attention when it is criticised for decades-old criminal activity. In any event, non-Christians would be grasping at straws trying to paint Australians as Christians over issues relating to child abuse by the clergy. Not so much the Muslims. Those that still practice child marriage and pedophilia. Such things are common among Muslim majority countries.

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

Commenced in year 859. https://theculturetrip.com/europe/italy/articles/the-12-oldest-universities-in-the-world/ Quote: University of Karueein, 859 Guinness World Records names this university the ‘oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world’. The University of Karueein, also known as the Al Quaraouyine University, was founded by Fatima al-Fihri in 859 in Fes, Morocco, as a community mosque with an associated school. Today the university still exists, offering studies in Islamic studies, legal sciences, comparative jurisprudence and more.

WOW! That's fantastic news! My inferiority feelings with regard to white Westerners feels so much better now for knowing that.

But let's stop for a moment of reality here, shall we? 

The Chinese, the Greeks, and possibly the subcontinental Indians were centuries earlier than these sand-bunnies in having organised schools and official places of learning.

And then who taught the ancient Egyptians all about the geometry and maths that would have been necessary for designing the pyramids? 

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 29^th, 2017 at 3:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 12:37am: Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Tsk, tsk.  It colours all your thinking, it seems.   ::) ::) "Islamophobia".... the thinking man's survival instinct.

;D

They use the word like a crucifix held out at arm's length towards anyone who dares to question their sycophantic Islamophilia.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 12:37am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:45pm: Ibn Sina wrote the Canon of Medicine, he was an atheist. Really?  According to whom?  Most of the biographies that I've accessed seem to say he was a devout Muslim, Baron.  So, who is making the claim he was an Atheist?  ::)

Do you have a problem with he wrote the "Canon of Medicine" or he was an "Atheist"?

Avicenna, was nothing more than a copy cat, is that what you are referring to?

Ask Gandalf about Avicenna.

I am also contemptuous of any religious fanaticism, indeed of any form of fanaticism, UnSubRocky, be it pro or anti-religion in tone or nature.   Our experiences are very different.  I have many happy memories of religion but ultimately fell out of my belief because of what the Brothers used to do to try and make me believe in their sky fairy.  I respect those that have a quiet belief.  One that respects others' beliefs and non-beliefs.  Everybody has a Right to Freedom of belief and Association.  Under Multiculturalism that also extends to wearing what the hell they like to wear, be it a kilt or a Pajama or a Burqa or a Hijab.   Most Muslims appreciate that, most understand it, most accept it.   Unfortunately, Islamophobes don't.  Nor do the minority of extremist Muslims.  However, who cares what they think?  I don't and I am unsure why the Islamophobes focus so much on it, except because it feeds their Islamophobia.

Just as there are loony Christians, there are loony Muslims unfortunately.  They are though, just like the Christians a tiny minority amongst their co-religionists.   We should encourage the majority of Muslims to report suspicious activity, just as we expect Christians to do as well.  The problem is the Islamophobes' tendency belief all Muslims support Terrorism or are Terrorists themselves.   They fall into the same trap that all haters do - it's easier to hate than it is to understand.    ::)

You're 10-15 years younger than me, UnSubRocky.   I remember the tail end of the anti-Catholic bigotry.  My father was a victim of it.  He joined the South Australian Public Service after serving in WWII.  He was a Catholic.  He was told to forget about ever becoming a full Clerk.  He transferred to the Federal Public Service as a consequence, which while not totally free of prejudice, it was a great deal less than in the State Public Service.   I have hated prejudice and bigotry ever since.   Which is why I deride it and make fun of it.   If the Islamophobes/Racists/Xenophobes don't like it, I have one word for them - Tough.   Their views are ridiculous and their victims undeserving of their attention.    ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 5:36pm:

I am also contemptuous of any religious fanaticism, indeed of any form of fanaticism, UnSubRocky, be it pro or anti-religion in tone or nature.   Our experiences are very different.  I have many happy memories of religion but ultimately fell out of my belief because of what the Brothers used to do to try and make me believe in their sky fairy.  I respect those that have a quiet belief.  One that respects others' beliefs and non-beliefs.  Everybody has a Right to Freedom of belief and Association.  Under Multiculturalism that also extends to wearing what the hell they like to wear, be it a kilt or a Pajama or a Burqa or a Hijab.   Most Muslims appreciate that, most understand it, most accept it.   Unfortunately, Islamophobes don't.  Nor do the minority of extremist Muslims.  However, who cares what they think?  I don't and I am unsure why the Islamophobes focus so much on it, except because it feeds their Islamophobia. Just as there are loony Christians, there are loony Muslims unfortunately.  They are though, just like the Christians a tiny minority amongst their co-religionists.   We should encourage the majority of Muslims to report suspicious activity, just as we expect Christians to do as well.  The problem is the Islamophobes' tendency belief all Muslims support Terrorism or are Terrorists themselves.   They fall into the same trap that all haters do - it's easier to hate than it is to understand.    ::) You're 10-15 years younger than me, UnSubRocky.   I remember the tail end of the anti-Catholic bigotry.  My father was a victim of it.  He joined the South Australian Public Service after serving in WWII.  He was a Catholic.  He was told to forget about ever becoming a full Clerk.  He transferred to the Federal Public Service as a consequence, which while not totally free of prejudice, it was a great deal less than in the State Public Service.   I have hated prejudice and bigotry ever since.   Which is why I deride it and make fun of it.   If the Islamophobes/Racists/Xenophobes don't like it, I have one word for them - Tough.   Their views are ridiculous and their victims undeserving of their attention.    ::) ::)

Quack Doctor.!

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

Commenced in year 859. https://theculturetrip.com/europe/italy/articles/the-12-oldest-universities-in-the-world/ Quote: University of Karueein, 859 Guinness World Records names this university the ‘oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world’. The University of Karueein, also known as the Al Quaraouyine University, was founded by Fatima al-Fihri in 859 in Fes, Morocco, as a community mosque with an associated school. Today the university still exists, offering studies in Islamic studies, legal sciences, comparative jurisprudence and more.

From memory, not wikki, the first university was in India. Destroyed by islam.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 5:36pm:

I am also contemptuous of any religious fanaticism, indeed of any form of fanaticism, UnSubRocky, be it pro or anti-religion in tone or nature.   Our experiences are very different.  I have many happy memories of religion but ultimately fell out of my belief because of what the Brothers used to do to try and make me believe in their sky fairy.  I respect those that have a quiet belief.  One that respects others' beliefs and non-beliefs.  Everybody has a Right to Freedom of belief and Association.  Under Multiculturalism that also extends to wearing what the hell they like to wear, be it a kilt or a Pajama or a Burqa or a Hijab.   Most Muslims appreciate that, most understand it, most accept it.   Unfortunately, Islamophobes don't.  Nor do the minority of extremist Muslims.  However, who cares what they think?  I don't and I am unsure why the Islamophobes focus so much on it, except because it feeds their Islamophobia. Just as there are loony Christians, there are loony Muslims unfortunately.  They are though, just like the Christians a tiny minority amongst their co-religionists.   We should encourage the majority of Muslims to report suspicious activity, just as we expect Christians to do as well.  The problem is the Islamophobes' tendency belief all Muslims support Terrorism or are Terrorists themselves.   They fall into the same trap that all haters do - it's easier to hate than it is to understand.    ::) You're 10-15 years younger than me, UnSubRocky.   I remember the tail end of the anti-Catholic bigotry.  My father was a victim of it.  He joined the South Australian Public Service after serving in WWII.  He was a Catholic.  He was told to forget about ever becoming a full Clerk.  He transferred to the Federal Public Service as a consequence, which while not totally free of prejudice, it was a great deal less than in the State Public Service.   I have hated prejudice and bigotry ever since.   Which is why I deride it and make fun of it.   If the Islamophobes/Racists/Xenophobes don't like it, I have one word for them - Tough.   Their views are ridiculous and their victims undeserving of their attention.    ::) ::)

What people in general don't like is Islamic apologists like you.

kemal wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:58pm: Commenced in year 859. https://theculturetrip.com/europe/italy/articles/the-12-oldest-universities-in-the-world/ Quote: University of Karueein, 859 Guinness World Records names this university the ‘oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world’. The University of Karueein, also known as the Al Quaraouyine University, was founded by Fatima al-Fihri in 859 in Fes, Morocco, as a community mosque with an associated school. Today the university still exists, offering studies in Islamic studies, legal sciences, comparative jurisprudence and more. From memory, not wikki, the first university was in India. Destroyed by islam.

Yeah.  You are right.  We were all told about that in Grade Five.  Hammered into us it was.  You too, hey?

;D

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 5:36pm:

I am also contemptuous of any religious fanaticism, indeed of any form of fanaticism, UnSubRocky, be it pro or anti-religion in tone or nature.

So you are against people who have religion and against people who have no religion, as long as they hold their views with conviction.
You fanatically identify with the spineless, wishy-washy yeah-but-no-butters.



You are a giant arse, Brian.

Gnads wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 5:36pm: I am also contemptuous of any religious fanaticism, indeed of any form of fanaticism, UnSubRocky, be it pro or anti-religion in tone or nature.   Our experiences are very different.  I have many happy memories of religion but ultimately fell out of my belief because of what the Brothers used to do to try and make me believe in their sky fairy.  I respect those that have a quiet belief.  One that respects others' beliefs and non-beliefs.  Everybody has a Right to Freedom of belief and Association.  Under Multiculturalism that also extends to wearing what the hell they like to wear, be it a kilt or a Pajama or a Burqa or a Hijab.   Most Muslims appreciate that, most understand it, most accept it.   Unfortunately, Islamophobes don't.  Nor do the minority of extremist Muslims.  However, who cares what they think?  I don't and I am unsure why the Islamophobes focus so much on it, except because it feeds their Islamophobia. Just as there are loony Christians, there are loony Muslims unfortunately.  They are though, just like the Christians a tiny minority amongst their co-religionists.   We should encourage the majority of Muslims to report suspicious activity, just as we expect Christians to do as well.  The problem is the Islamophobes' tendency belief all Muslims support Terrorism or are Terrorists themselves.   They fall into the same trap that all haters do - it's easier to hate than it is to understand.    ::) You're 10-15 years younger than me, UnSubRocky.   I remember the tail end of the anti-Catholic bigotry.  My father was a victim of it.  He joined the South Australian Public Service after serving in WWII.  He was a Catholic.  He was told to forget about ever becoming a full Clerk.  He transferred to the Federal Public Service as a consequence, which while not totally free of prejudice, it was a great deal less than in the State Public Service.   I have hated prejudice and bigotry ever since.   Which is why I deride it and make fun of it.   If the Islamophobes/Racists/Xenophobes don't like it, I have one word for them - Tough.   Their views are ridiculous and their victims undeserving of their attention.    ::) ::) What people in general don't like is Islamic apologists like you.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Gnads can you quote to me where I have ever apologised for Islam?  I look forward to your efforts.   Argumentum ad hominem does not work, it just indicates you've lost the plot, if you ever had one, Gnads.  Keep trying, its amusing watching you flounder.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Frank wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 5:36pm: I am also contemptuous of any religious fanaticism, indeed of any form of fanaticism, UnSubRocky, be it pro or anti-religion in tone or nature.  So you are against people who have religion and against people who have no religion, as long as they hold their views with conviction. You fanatically identify with the spineless, wishy-washy yeah-but-no-butters. You are a giant arse, Brian.

Oh, dearie, dearie me, Soren do you always resort to ad hominem argument when you've obviously lost the plot?   I know you've never really had any original ideas, even your insults are old and hackneyed.   Tsk, tsk.   I'd rather support a moderate than an extemist like you, any day.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:24pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 7:19pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 5:36pm: I am also contemptuous of any religious fanaticism, indeed of any form of fanaticism, UnSubRocky, be it pro or anti-religion in tone or nature.  So you are against people who have religion and against people who have no religion, as long as they hold their views with conviction. You fanatically identify with the spineless, wishy-washy yeah-but-no-butters. You are a giant arse, Brian. Oh, dearie, dearie me, Soren do you always resort to ad hominem argument when you've obviously lost the plot?   I know you've never really had any original ideas, even your insults are old and hackneyed.   Tsk, tsk.   I'd rather support a moderate than an extemist like you, any day.   ::)

There are no moderate Muslims.

A question for you.

How many Christians, Buddhists, Mormons, or just about any religion other than the CULT that openly condones, celebrates and promotes terrorism????


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The three types of moderate Muslims: 1.      By phony, I mean those who do not truly believe but identify as Muslim for cultural reasons, maybe out of fear for their life, because their family is Muslim. Does this mean they are "moderate"? No, they will do whatever it takes to continue making their relatives believe that they believe, mostly out of self-preservation. These are they that will encourage their devout brother to commit the atrocities that they themselves do not want to do. Don't expect these so called "moderates" to stop their devout brother, or do anything to save you. 2.      The second type are those who do not truly understand their own religion. I have seen and heard many testimonies of ex-Muslims who did not understand their own religion. And, I recently saw a video of a man talking about how he, as a Muslim, thought his religion was a peaceful religion, but as he grew to understand Islam and read the Quran, he came to understand that it is not a peaceful religion and that he was actually instructed to kill for Allah.  This is a great example of how many Muslims, like Christians who never read their Bible, do not understand their own religion, and how the Imams (preachers of Islam) use the practice of Taqiyya (lying to assist the ascendency of Islam) on their own people and lure them in with promises of peace and love while they hope to bring them in deeper and turn them into devout Muslims who will die for them. 3.      The third type are those who are purposefully and deceitfully practicing Taqiyya (deceit to assist in the ascendency of Islam).  This is used by Muslims to placate those who would be a threat until they can either over-power them or defeat them from within by infiltrating their society.  The leaders of Islam even use this on new Muslim converts to lure them in, and then slowly lead them to stronger and stronger doctrine as they become devout Muslims.

Valkie wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 8:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 7:24pm: Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 7:19pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 5:36pm: I am also contemptuous of any religious fanaticism, indeed of any form of fanaticism, UnSubRocky, be it pro or anti-religion in tone or nature.  So you are against people who have religion and against people who have no religion, as long as they hold their views with conviction. You fanatically identify with the spineless, wishy-washy yeah-but-no-butters. You are a giant arse, Brian. Oh, dearie, dearie me, Soren do you always resort to ad hominem argument when you've obviously lost the plot?   I know you've never really had any original ideas, even your insults are old and hackneyed.   Tsk, tsk.   I'd rather support a moderate than an extemist like you, any day.   ::) There are no moderate Muslims.

Really?  So who are all the Muslims I've known then, Valkie?  Just your Islamophobia showing through again.  I don't suppose your really Pauline Hanson, are you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)


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A question for you. How many Christians, Buddhists, Mormons, or just about any religion other than the CULT that openly condones, celebrates and promotes terrorism????

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I wasn't aware that the recognised religion you refer to inappropriately as a "cult" "condones, celebrates and promotes terrorism", Valike.  I am aware the sects of Islam do but the entire religion?  Really?   Tsk, tsk, more Islamophobia.   Don't know why you even bother...   ::)

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 7:24pm:

I'd rather support a moderate than an extemist like you, any day.   ::)

The thing is, you cannot tell a moderate Muslim from and extremist one. They all believe the same thing. Some of them act on their beliefs one days. Most are just watching to see which way the wind blows. When the Islamists get up - see Iran - they all rally and are Islamists.
When the Islamists get bollocked, the rest keep their head down until the wind changes.



Islam IS supremacist, it is about domination of the world, it is dividing the world into good (Muslims) and bad (everyone else). It's a mix of Scientology (bits of crazy stuff snatched from everywhere) and Stalinism (ruthless bloody dictatorship). An incoherent, resentful and violent creed.
You love it for these very reasons; you are an incoherent, resentful fool blind to the mad violence of your comrades.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 9:53pm:

I am aware the sects of Islam do but the entire religion?  Really?

The Koran - Allah's eternal, unchangeable, sacred and final word - urges violence against non-Muslims.

So yes, the entire religion.

Frank wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 10:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 7:24pm:  I'd rather support a moderate than an extemist like you, any day.   ::) Quote: The thing is, you cannot tell a moderate Muslim from and extremist one. They all believe the same thing. Some of them act on their beliefs one days. Most are just watching to see which way the wind blows. When the Islamists get up - see Iran - they all rally and are Islamists.   When the Islamists get bollocked, the rest keep their head down until the wind changes. So, they're just like everybody else then, Soren?  Amazing and you think they are somehow exceptional?  Tsk, tsk.   In reality, some Muslims are like that, most aren't.   Most just want to be left alone to get on with their beliefs, their own way.  It's why the Terrorists kill more Muslims than anybody else in their Terror attacks, 'cause the majority of Muslims don't support Terrorism.   Funny that you, the great Trick Cyclist can't even perceive that because of your Islamophobia.    ::) [quote]Islam IS supremacist, it is about domination of the world, it is dividing the world into good (Muslims) and bad (everyone else). It's a mix of Scientology (bits of crazy stuff snatched from everywhere) and Stalinism (ruthless bloody dictatorship). An incoherent, resentful and violent creed.

Sounds a lot like Christianity actually, Soren.  You know, the good ol' Christianity that Europeans used to practise until it became unfashionable.   You know, where they went out and conquered the world and converted everybody to Christianity?    ::)


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You love it for these very reasons; you are an incoherent, resentful fool blind to the mad violence of your comrades.

Where do you get the idea I love Islam?   Really, Soren, it seems your Islamophobia blinds you to anything you cannot understand.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Frank wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 9:53pm:   I am aware the sects of Islam do but the entire religion?  Really?  The Koran - Allah's eternal, unchangeable, sacred and final word - urges violence against non-Muslims. So yes, the entire religion.

Really, the Q'ran says that does it, Soren?  This article disagrees with you:

Does the Quran Really Sanction Violence Against ‘Unbelievers’?  the authour suggests that you need to read the Q'ran's verses in context.   You appear to believe like most Islamophobes that isn't necessary.  I wonder why?  Could it be because that way feeds your Islamophobia better?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 10:50pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 10:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 9:53pm:   I am aware the sects of Islam do but the entire religion?  Really?  The Koran - Allah's eternal, unchangeable, sacred and final word - urges violence against non-Muslims. So yes, the entire religion. Really, the Q'ran says that does it, Soren?  This article disagrees with you: Does the Quran Really Sanction Violence Against ‘Unbelievers’?  the authour suggests that you need to read the Q'ran's verses in context.   You appear to believe like most Islamophobes that isn't necessary.  I wonder why?  Could it be because that way feeds your Islamophobia better?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian the guy is not a muslim, according other muslims that is. Lol LOl  ;D ;D :D ;D ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 10:50pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 10:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 9:53pm:   I am aware the sects of Islam do but the entire religion?  Really?  The Koran - Allah's eternal, unchangeable, sacred and final word - urges violence against non-Muslims. So yes, the entire religion. Really, the Q'ran says that does it, Soren?  This article disagrees with you: Does the Quran Really Sanction Violence Against ‘Unbelievers’?  the authour suggests that you need to read the Q'ran's verses in context.   You appear to believe like most Islamophobes that isn't necessary.  I wonder why?  Could it be because that way feeds your Islamophobia better?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

I am afraid it says a lot about killing.


And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy." As Ibn Kathir puts it in his tafsir on this passage, Allah commands Muslims to prepare for war against disbelievers, as much as possible, according to affordability and availability.

Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.

And when We decide to destroy a town (population), We (first) send a definite order (to obey Allah and be righteous) to those among them [or We (first) increase in number those of its population] who are given the good things of this life. Then, they transgress therein, and thus the word (of torment) is justified against it (them). Then We destroy it with complete destruction.

We destroy it with complete destruction? Twin Towers?

There are many more verses that preach hatred and killing in the koran brian, why dont you stop lying as you are fooling no one but yourself.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2017 at 10:50pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 10:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 9:53pm:   I am aware the sects of Islam do but the entire religion?  Really?  The Koran - Allah's eternal, unchangeable, sacred and final word - urges violence against non-Muslims. So yes, the entire religion. Really, the Q'ran says that does it, Soren?  This article disagrees with you: Does the Quran Really Sanction Violence Against ‘Unbelievers’?  the authour suggests that you need to read the Q'ran's verses in context.   You appear to believe like most Islamophobes that isn't necessary.  I wonder why?  Could it be because that way feeds your Islamophobia better?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Hogwash.

The Koran orescribes/sanctions violence UNTIL the Muslims are victorious/dominant. That is the context - Submission.


That's why Islam means Submission, not peace.

Typical of apologist, sympathizer, sycophants, or resident Muzzo apologist doctored my post.....AGAIN.

If you are planning to quote me do so in totality or not at all.

I explained so called MODERATE Muslims below.

And yes I made a mistake of putting the CULT into the same consideration as true healthy and honest religions.
I will do my best not to make this error again.
The CULT cannot be a religion, because it is a CULT.....Better?



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There are no moderate Muslims. A question for you. How many Christians, Buddhists, Mormons, or just about any religion other than the CULT that openly condones, celebrates and promotes terrorism???? Quote: The three types of moderate Muslims: PHONY MODERATES 1.      By phony, I mean those who do not truly believe but identify as Muslim for cultural reasons, maybe out of fear for their life, because their family is Muslim. Does this mean they are "moderate"? No, they will do whatever it takes to continue making their relatives believe that they believe, mostly out of self-preservation. These are they that will encourage their devout brother to commit the atrocities that they themselves do not want to do. Don't expect these so called "moderates" to stop their devout brother, or do anything to save you. UNINFORMED OR BRAINWASHED MODERATES 2.      The second type are those who do not truly understand their own religion. I have seen and heard many testimonies of ex-Muslims who did not understand their own religion. And, I recently saw a video of a man talking about how he, as a Muslim, thought his religion was a peaceful religion, but as he grew to understand Islam and read the Quran, he came to understand that it is not a peaceful religion and that he was actually instructed to kill for Allah.  This is a great example of how many Muslims, like Christians who never read their Bible, do not understand their own religion, and how the Imams (preachers of Islam) use the practice of Taqiyya (lying to assist the ascendency of Islam) on their own people and lure them in with promises of peace and love while they hope to bring them in deeper and turn them into devout Muslims who will die for them. DECEITFUL, UNTRUSTWORTHY MODERATES 3.      The third type are those who are purposefully and deceitfully practicing Taqiyya (deceit to assist in the ascendency of Islam).  This is used by Muslims to placate those who would be a threat until they can either over-power them or defeat them from within by infiltrating their society.  The leaders of Islam even use this on new Muslim converts to lure them in, and then slowly lead them to stronger and stronger doctrine as they become devout Muslims.

Allah has a word for moderate muslims he calls them hypocrites (munafiqs).

Muslims cannot pick and choose which parts of Islam they want to believe it's a package deal if they want the heavenly brothel with rivers of wine in the afterlife.
quran.com/2/85

As for the hypocrites-
quran.com/9/73

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 5:05pm:

Allah has a word for moderate muslims he calls them hypocrites (munafiqs). Muslims cannot pick and choose which parts of Islam they want to believe it's a package deal if they want the heavenly brothel with rivers of wine in the afterlife. quran.com/2/85 As for the hypocrites- quran.com/9/73

Yeas, not like the happy clappers.  They can have two bob each way.....with OT/NT.

Valkie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 4:15pm:

Typical of apologist, sympathizer, sycophants, or resident Muzzo apologist doctored my post.....AGAIN. If you are planning to quote me do so in totality or not at all. I explained so called MODERATE Muslims below. And yes I made a mistake of putting the CULT into the same consideration as true healthy and honest religions. I will do my best not to make this error again. The CULT cannot be a religion, because it is a CULT.....Better?

Poor, poor, Valkie.  I address the pieces of a post that I feel are important, just as you do.  The stuff you post is just hackneyed old Islamophobia.  Not of any real interest to thinking people.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 1:28pm:

Hogwash. The Koran orescribes/sanctions violence UNTIL the Muslims are victorious/dominant. That is the context - Submission. That's why Islam means Submission, not peace.

Submission to Allah, not to other Muslims, Soren.  You really do need to study up on this a little better, you realise?    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 12:02am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2017 at 1:28pm: Hogwash. The Koran orescribes/sanctions violence UNTIL the Muslims are victorious/dominant. That is the context - Submission. That's why Islam means Submission, not peace. Submission to Allah, not to other Muslims, Soren.  You really do need to study up on this a little better, you realise?    ::)

Submission to an archaic, war mongering god or retarded, insane muslim leadership.
One is as bad as the other.

This CULT is founded on war, destruction, murder, hate, intolerance and insanity.
The self confessed prophet admits this in his own writings.
He was a self confessed pedophile
He was a self confessed traitor
He was a self confessed sociopath
And like it or not, anyone who states that he has seen, with his own eyes, the sun sinking into a muddy pond at night and spoken to the devil, is, by all measures, clinically INSANE.

This is what the followers of this CULT see as their prfect example.
This is their prophet
His writings were the insane ramblings of insanity
And all who follow these writings, and many of the muzzos believe and follow every word, are insane.

You as an apologist, a sychophant, a sympathiser and a traitor to civilization and Australia should hang your head in shame, but as you are obviously in soo deep with tnis CULT as either a follower or willing plant, I know this will never be.

Now take your pathetic tsk, tsk and shove it up you butt hole, perhaps your boyfriend will enjoy it.
Pathetic, worthless, traitor.

Tsk, tsk, Valkie. Your views are sound. But I wanted to save Brian a response. Tsk, tsk!

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 12:02am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2017 at 1:28pm: Hogwash. The Koran orescribes/sanctions violence UNTIL the Muslims are victorious/dominant. That is the context - Submission. That's why Islam means Submission, not peace. Submission to Allah, not to other Muslims, Soren.  You really do need to study up on this a little better, you realise?    ::)

And breaking a mirror leads to 7 years bad luck. And there be problems for people who eat red meat on Good Friday. Don't walk under those ladders. Black cats crossing your path is a bad omen. Etc, etc.

Brian, I would have thought by now that you would think Muslims wise enough to know that they understand that Muslims are the beneficiaries of dominance the world over. The world may live under 7th century standards of living. But the Muslims benefit from dominance over the world. Because Muslims know that even their invisible friend Allah does not really protect them. And those that do believe that Allah protects them knows that Allah does not need anything from Muslims. Submission to "Allah" means submission to "Islam". Don't let semantics get in the way of what is the real context.

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 6:58am:

Tsk, tsk, Valkie. Your views are sound. But I wanted to save Brian a response. Tsk, tsk!

His asinine, puerile, stupidity with his little tsk tsk would be funny were it not so pathetic.

His betrayal of Australia and its Culture, it civilization and its multiculturalism is not so easily discarded.
By supporting this brutal, pedophile infected, primitive, hateful and disgusting diseased CULT he is a traitor of the highest order.

Australia has always embraced other cultures, other races and migrants.
As it should, they have been the reason Australia is the great country it is.
These wonderful people have embraced and adopted our country and its culture and made Australia great.

Then this CULT comes along.
Isolationist, rude, aggressive, brutal and hateful to any who do not share their insane love of an insane prophet.

This CULT is ruining our great country and for what?
They don't work, a larger proportion of the CULT followers will never have a job, they live on and rort welfare in every country they infect.
They take and take and take, never giving back, and then scream about every little trite thing they can think of.
Their protests are always violent and they always carry placards demanding the murder of any who offend them, which is just about everybody.
Why anyone would protect this barbaric, primitive antisocial and dangerous CULT evades me.

But bwyannnnn loves this CULT for some reason.
I just hope one day he will get to see the REAL side of this CULT and not just the propaganda he lamely accepts.

Tsk Tsk indeed...

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 12:02am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2017 at 1:28pm: Hogwash. The Koran orescribes/sanctions violence UNTIL the Muslims are victorious/dominant. That is the context - Submission. That's why Islam means Submission, not peace. Submission to Allah, not to other Muslims, Soren.  You really do need to study up on this a little better, you realise?    ::)

Do not be SOOO eyewateringly stupid.

Who administers sharia law, the law of Allah?? Who collects the dhimmi tax, the jizzya (!), Brian? who sits in judgement of the kuffar?

Valkie wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 6:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 12:02am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2017 at 1:28pm: Hogwash. The Koran orescribes/sanctions violence UNTIL the Muslims are victorious/dominant. That is the context - Submission. That's why Islam means Submission, not peace. Submission to Allah, not to other Muslims, Soren.  You really do need to study up on this a little better, you realise?    ::) Submission to an archaic, war mongering god or retarded, insane muslim leadership.

I didn't realise that you were so down on Christians as well, Valkie.   ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 1:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 12:02am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2017 at 1:28pm: Hogwash. The Koran orescribes/sanctions violence UNTIL the Muslims are victorious/dominant. That is the context - Submission. That's why Islam means Submission, not peace. Submission to Allah, not to other Muslims, Soren.  You really do need to study up on this a little better, you realise?    ::) Do not be SOOO eyewateringly stupid. Who administers sharia law, the law of Allah?? Who collects the dhimmi tax, the jizzya (!), Brian? who sits in judgement of the kuffar?

Who collects the tithe?

Valkie wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 9:55am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 6:58am: Tsk, tsk, Valkie. Your views are sound. But I wanted to save Brian a response. Tsk, tsk! His asinine, puerile, stupidity with his little tsk tsk would be funny were it not so pathetic. His betrayal of Australia and its Culture, it civilization and its multiculturalism is not so easily discarded.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Valkie.  I am actually reinforcing our nation, it's culture, it's "civilisation" and multiculturalism.  I believe wholeheartedly in the Australian concept of a "fair go for all", something you obviously don't with your continued persecution of Australian Muslims.   Indeed, it's increasingly obvious that you're of the old school Australians, the "hate 'em all" school of thought based on ignorance, prejudice and of course just plain old bigotry.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 1:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 12:02am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2017 at 1:28pm: Hogwash. The Koran orescribes/sanctions violence UNTIL the Muslims are victorious/dominant. That is the context - Submission. That's why Islam means Submission, not peace. Submission to Allah, not to other Muslims, Soren.  You really do need to study up on this a little better, you realise?    ::) Do not be SOOO eyewateringly stupid. Who administers sharia law, the law of Allah?? Who collects the dhimmi tax, the jizzya (!), Brian? who sits in judgement of the kuffar?

Muslims of course.  Just as Christians create and administer Canon and other Christian religious laws.   Good Muslims look after their subjects, be they Muslim or non-Believer.   Bad Muslims oppress them.   Ordinary Muslims are the ones being oppressed.   Islam means literally, "submission to Allah", Soren.  Something you invariably get wrong it seems.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 5:39pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 1:15pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 12:02am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2017 at 1:28pm: Hogwash. The Koran orescribes/sanctions violence UNTIL the Muslims are victorious/dominant. That is the context - Submission. That's why Islam means Submission, not peace. Submission to Allah, not to other Muslims, Soren.  You really do need to study up on this a little better, you realise?    ::) Do not be SOOO eyewateringly stupid. Who administers sharia law, the law of Allah?? Who collects the dhimmi tax, the jizzya (!), Brian? who sits in judgement of the kuffar? Muslims of course.  Just as Christians create and administer Canon and other Christian religious laws.   Good Muslims look after their subjects, be they Muslim or non-Believer.   Bad Muslims oppress them.   Ordinary Muslims are the ones being oppressed.   Islam means literally, "submission to Allah", Soren.  Something you invariably get wrong it seems.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Do you really believe that Allah exists, Brian?

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 5:37pm:

Valkie wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 9:55am: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 6:58am: Tsk, tsk, Valkie. Your views are sound. But I wanted to save Brian a response. Tsk, tsk! His asinine, puerile, stupidity with his little tsk tsk would be funny were it not so pathetic. His betrayal of Australia and its Culture, it civilization and its multiculturalism is not so easily discarded. Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Valkie.  I am actually reinforcing our nation, it's culture, it's "civilisation" and multiculturalism.  I believe wholeheartedly in the Australian concept of a "fair go for all", something you obviously don't with your continued persecution of Australian Muslims.   Indeed, it's increasingly obvious that you're of the old school Australians, the "hate 'em all" school of thought based on ignorance, prejudice and of course just plain our bigotry.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

You are simply an apologist, sympathiser sycophantic liar.
With each post you deny, protect and make excuses for a worldwide desease, the CULT of Islam.

Everyone sees this, we all know.

Islamophobia is simply a make up word that means ......shite I have nothing so Ill call someone an islaphobe.

Pathetic little troll you are

Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 6:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 5:39pm: Frank wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 1:15pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 12:02am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2017 at 1:28pm: Hogwash. The Koran orescribes/sanctions violence UNTIL the Muslims are victorious/dominant. That is the context - Submission. That's why Islam means Submission, not peace. Submission to Allah, not to other Muslims, Soren.  You really do need to study up on this a little better, you realise?    ::) Do not be SOOO eyewateringly stupid. Who administers sharia law, the law of Allah?? Who collects the dhimmi tax, the jizzya (!), Brian? who sits in judgement of the kuffar? Muslims of course.  Just as Christians create and administer Canon and other Christian religious laws.   Good Muslims look after their subjects, be they Muslim or non-Believer.   Bad Muslims oppress them.   Ordinary Muslims are the ones being oppressed.   Islam means literally, "submission to Allah", Soren.  Something you invariably get wrong it seems.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Do you really believe that Allah exists, Brian?

What I believe or disbelieve is immaterial, Soren.   I am not a Muslim.    ::)

Valkie wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 8:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 5:37pm: Valkie wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 9:55am: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 6:58am: Tsk, tsk, Valkie. Your views are sound. But I wanted to save Brian a response. Tsk, tsk! His asinine, puerile, stupidity with his little tsk tsk would be funny were it not so pathetic. His betrayal of Australia and its Culture, it civilization and its multiculturalism is not so easily discarded. Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Valkie.  I am actually reinforcing our nation, it's culture, it's "civilisation" and multiculturalism.  I believe wholeheartedly in the Australian concept of a "fair go for all", something you obviously don't with your continued persecution of Australian Muslims.   Indeed, it's increasingly obvious that you're of the old school Australians, the "hate 'em all" school of thought based on ignorance, prejudice and of course just plain our bigotry.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) You are simply an apologist, sympathiser sycophantic liar.

If I have lied, Valkie, prove it.  As usual, you use argentum ad hominem, rather than substantive facts to prove your point.  It doesn't work outside the schoolyard.  Tsk, tsk.


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With each post you deny, protect and make excuses for a worldwide desease, the CULT of Islam.

Do?  Really?  Just 'cause I disagree with you and ask you to respect your fellow Australians.

Tell me, Valkie, what's your opinion of the Jews and their religion, out of a matter of interest?

Do you tolerate them?  Like them?  Like Judaism?

What about Indians and Hinduism?  How about Sikhs and Sikhism?

I'm interested to see how far your Xenophobia and bigotry extends.   ::)

Which Arab university is kicking research goals,  curing diseases,  lodging patents?

Theresa teaching kids to read the effing Koran.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 9:28pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 6:42pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 5:39pm: Frank wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 1:15pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 12:02am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2017 at 1:28pm: Hogwash. The Koran orescribes/sanctions violence UNTIL the Muslims are victorious/dominant. That is the context - Submission. That's why Islam means Submission, not peace. Submission to Allah, not to other Muslims, Soren.  You really do need to study up on this a little better, you realise?    ::) Do not be SOOO eyewateringly stupid. Who administers sharia law, the law of Allah?? Who collects the dhimmi tax, the jizzya (!), Brian? who sits in judgement of the kuffar? Muslims of course.  Just as Christians create and administer Canon and other Christian religious laws.   Good Muslims look after their subjects, be they Muslim or non-Believer.   Bad Muslims oppress them.   Ordinary Muslims are the ones being oppressed.   Islam means literally, "submission to Allah", Soren.  Something you invariably get wrong it seems.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Do you really believe that Allah exists, Brian? What I believe or disbelieve is immaterial, Soren.   I am not a Muslim.    ::)

SO why bring it up as if was some sort of counter-argument?

I think it is because you are both dishonest and confused. Depending on the discussion, you will take refuge in stupidity or dishonesty, as long as you think (I am overestimating you for a moment) you are covering your dishonest, spluttering, stupid arse, Brian.

But you just end up looking like a shifty, confused halfwit, dimply aware of your deficit but unsure if it is really unsalvageable so you attempt to over-compensate, heroically, with gauche lurches to more idiocy.

It's not working, Brian.

Frank wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 9:28pm: Frank wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 6:42pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 5:39pm: Frank wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 1:15pm: Brian Ross wrote on Apr 2nd, 2017 at 12:02am: Frank wrote on Apr 1st, 2017 at 1:28pm: Hogwash. The Koran orescribes/sanctions violence UNTIL the Muslims are victorious/dominant. That is the context - Submission. That's why Islam means Submission, not peace. Submission to Allah, not to other Muslims, Soren.  You really do need to study up on this a little better, you realise?    ::) Do not be SOOO eyewateringly stupid. Who administers sharia law, the law of Allah?? Who collects the dhimmi tax, the jizzya (!), Brian? who sits in judgement of the kuffar? Muslims of course.  Just as Christians create and administer Canon and other Christian religious laws.   Good Muslims look after their subjects, be they Muslim or non-Believer.   Bad Muslims oppress them.   Ordinary Muslims are the ones being oppressed.   Islam means literally, "submission to Allah", Soren.  Something you invariably get wrong it seems.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Do you really believe that Allah exists, Brian? What I believe or disbelieve is immaterial, Soren.   I am not a Muslim.    ::) SO why bring it up as if was some sort of counter-argument?

You have a real problem with the truth, don't you, Soren?   I'd see a counsellor about that, I was you.   Could lead to all sorts of troubles out there in the real world.   ::)


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I think it is because you are both dishonest and confused. Depending on the discussion, you will take refuge in stupidity or dishonesty, as long as you think (I am overestimating you for a moment) you are covering your dishonest, spluttering, stupid arse, Brian. But you just end up looking like a shifty, confused halfwit, dimply aware of your deficit but unsure if it is really unsalvageable so you attempt to over-compensate, heroically, with gauche lurches to more idiocy. It's not working, Brian.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  More argumentium ad hominem, hey, Soren?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)