10 things you should know about slavery in Australia

The dark history of forced labour and Stolen Wages is slowly becoming a national conversation, with people sharing their traumatic first-hand experiences of indentured service. Here are some ugly truths about white masters and black servants in Australian history.



1. You should know that ... Just because we don't call it slavery doesn't mean it's not slavery

Much like the words ‘invasion, ‘theft’, massacres’, and ‘wars’, Australia appears uncomfortable using the word slavery in reference to its own history. But no matter what you call it, the forcing of thousands upon thousands of people to work for no money, or only for basic rations, is tantamount to slavery by any meaningful definition.

Blackbirding, Stolen Wages, indentured service, indentured labour; are all words that have been used to avoid the harsh bite of the word. However, the realities of these words have always been much the same; unpaid labour, unsafe working conditions, exploitation, abuse, and decades long campaigns for justice and recognition - many of which are still ongoing. This is a significant relationship between Indigenous and white Australians.

2. You should know that ... the people are still alive to tell the tale

While the forced labour of Aboriginal people by the Federal and state Governments formally began in the late 19th Century, the system didn’t end until up to the 1970s. This means that there are number of people in our community today who lived through this experience. It's a period that led to what is now known as the Stolen Wages and is intimately linked to Stolen Generations history.

3. You should know about ... The recent documentary Servant or Slave

As an Aboriginal filmmaker I thought it my duty to give the generation a clear voice and audience in fear that in another twenty years or so, they might be gone, taking their stories with them, writes Mitchell Stanley, filmmaker of Servant or Slave.

Awarded a 5-star review from The Guardian, Servant or Slave (On Demand here) tells the stories of five women who experienced Australia's slavery system first-hand. All members of the Stolen Generations, Rita Wright, Violet West and the three Wenburg sisters, Adelaide, Valerie and Rita share their experiences of being forcibly removed from their families, put into domestic training homes as children and being sent out to work as domestic 'help', and life after working in unsafe conditions for no money.

"Many Australians have some knowledge, or assumption, of the kinds of things that might have transpired during these dark times. But to hear them articulated by the victims themselves, and illustrated by powerful albeit discreet re-enactments, brings the details to mind in terrible ways," says director, Stephen McGregor.

4. You should know about ... The groundbreaking documentary, Lousy Little Sixpence

An influential film (access here) by Alec Morgan which comprised interviews and historical never-before-seen footage tells the long history of unpaid servitude of Aboriginal people.

It was premiered in 1983 at the Sydney Film Festival and was the first media of it's kind to discuss - reveal, even - this widespread dark history. Audiences were so affected that some viewers thought the film was fiction because the concept was too shocking to be conceived as was real.

5. You should know about ... This quote from Larissa Behrendt

"There is probably no short answer to someone in that circumstance, particularly a child who is receiving no wage or i underpaid. Human Rights standards would say it is slavery. People will say " Yeah but that's something that happened in the southern states of America and we didn't have that here", but for the child that was working for nothing in someone else's kitchen, with no other choice, cannot escape - is beaten when they don't do their work, i abused in other ways - it's slavery."

Is this part of a campaign to induce guilt in white people for actions that were carried out in the past?

When can we expect some research from you on the history - past and ongoing - of Muslim slave traders?

6. You should know that ... Rations are not wages

In some cases, indentured labour as slavery is argued against or denied, as the people in question were often paid in rations. This is uncannily similar to those in the US who try to refuse the atrocity of their slavery period by making a point that people were fed and housed as part of the process. *Ahem*. Of course people were fed, human beings require sustenance for energy - energy that was ironically used to encourage them to work for hours on end for no pay.


7. You should know why ... More people know about the Stolen Generations and not Stolen Wages

Generally, the public is not as aware of wages being stolen from Indigenous people as high as children being removed from families.

While the Bringing Them Home Report by the Australian Human Rights Commission was released in 1997 - which was courtesy of academics, artists, activists and performers such as Peter Read, Alec Morgan, Kev Carmody, Archie Roach and even Midnight Oil who increased public awareness and pushed the agenda - , a Senate Inquiry into the monies stolen wasn’t held until a decade later - in 2007.

There are also significant barriers to Indigenous people finding out just how much they are owed as many records and government document have been incomplete, lost or destroyed. Some of the records were deliberately destroyed, particularly when Aboriginal Welfare Boards were disbanded in the late 1960s. It's also important to consider that many Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people were not allowed bank accounts until the 1970s, so payment processing were added hurdles.

The Stolen Generations and Stolen Wages are not mutually exclusive. Many members of the Stolen Generations later had their wages withheld while working as domestics or farm hands after 'completing' their training in the homes that they were taken to after being forcibly removed from their families. Stolen Generations were stolen and thrust into the Stolen Wages system.

8. You should know how ... Slavery can tell us a lot about gender roles in society.

From the early 1900s, Aboriginal children were systematically placed into homes run by the state Government where they were to train for their servitude.

Boys taken to Kinchela Aboriginal Boys' Home, which took up to 600 children in its 40-odd years of operation, trained them to be gainfully employed in manual or agricultural work when they turned 15 years of age. A large number of girls were taken to Cootamundra Aboriginal Girls' Home with to be trained to work in domestic service when they also turned 15.

Both roles demonstrate the prevalent racist ideology that Aboriginal people were inferior in intelligence and only fit to become the servants of the rest of society, and their 'employment' was driven by their gender, as opposed to their interest, talent or skills.   

9. You should know that ... It didn't just happen to Indigenous Australians. You should know about 'Blackbirding'.

'Blackbirding', in Australia, was the practice of kidnapping or coercing Islanders from Vanuatu, the Solomon Islands, and other nearby islands to work in Australia as indentured labourers.

It is believed that over 50,000 people were brought into NSW and QLD, predominantly in the 1800s. Although there were legal frameworks in place to allow this practice, it is regarded by many as having been a mere pretense to justify what would otherwise be acknowledged as criminal practices.The 1901 Pacific Island Labourers Act saw approximately 7,000 people deported, tearing families and communities apart.

An excellent article in the Sydney Morning Herald by Emelda Davis, a second generation descendant of South Sea Islanders who were blackbirded, speaks of the inhumanity and cruelty of this deportation by noting that, “the wages of 15,000 deceased Islanders were used for this deportation and the low and hard-earned wages of the Islanders were used to pay part of their fare to return to the islands that in some cases had seen their entire male population kidnapped.”

10. Exploitation of Indigenous labour is still ongoing

Today, there are some Indigenous people in Australia who are required to work a minimum 46 weeks a year for the Government with no leave entitlements and no superannuation, and are paid a significant portion of their wages on a card that can only be spent in certain stores and on certain wages.

The Community Deveopment Programme (CDP), an Government employment service for people living in remote areas, has been criticised in a recent Jobs Australia report as being overly complicated and having not enough community buy in. There are also concerns that the system makes reaching the requirements difficult and with too many financial penalties. For example, a participant can lose up to 10 per cent of their fortnightly pay-per-day for non-compliance. The CDP has been further criticised for applying penalties more frequently than comparable non-remote programs.

A recent report completed for Jobs Australia by ANU researcher, Lisa Fowkes, points out that, “There are approximately 34,000 job seekers in CDP, compared to around 760,000 in jobactive – it is less than 1/20th the size of the larger program.

Yet, since the CDP came in, the number of penalties to remote job seekers has exceeded that applied to their non-remote counterparts. In the quarter ending March 2016, 46,183 financial penalties were applied to CDP participants, compared with 27,338 applied to jobactive job seekers.”

In the conclusion to this report it states that: The most important thing is that many aspects of the current CDP must be changed, as the Program is currently causing more harm than good, and in areas where the alternatives to income support are, at this point in time, extremely limited. Thus creating the exploitation of Indigenous labour still occuring, in 2016.

http://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2016/12/01/10-things-you-should-know-about-slavery-australia

*yawn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr4jeaaVGCA

Dat ole Blue Tail Fly got dat Massa dere..... bottom rail on da top now, Missy!

rhino wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 10:21am:

*yawn*

Of course. Why would it interest you?

You're a notorious racist.

So no history of Muslim slave traders from mothra, although it is still rampant in more than one form. But plenty of condemnation of white people. Oh, they're so bad these white people. They only did things like bring civilisation, education and medicine to the world.

Mothra has never uttered a word of disapproval in relation to muslim atrocities of one kind or another. I am happy to see her quote me wrong now.

Her fez is too big and she can only see with one eye.

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 10:41am:

So no history of Muslim slave traders from mothra, although it is still rampant in more than one form. But plenty of condemnation of white people. Oh, they're so bad these white people. They only did things like bring civilisation, education and medicine to the world. Mothra has never uttered a word of disapproval in relation to muslim atrocities of one kind or another. I am happy to see her quote me wrong now. Her fez is too big and she can only see with one eye.

If you bother to look on thee front page of the eneral forum, you will see a thread i started about Islamist and Right Wing terrorism.

And another on Female Genital Cutting.

But don't let your profiling get in the way of a good spleen vent.

Just so long as you're right, y'know ..  ;)

Now would you care to discuss the isue of Aboriginal slavery?

Or doesn't it matter to you?

mothra wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

rhino wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 10:21am: *yawn* Of course. Why would it interest you? You're a notorious racist.

And 'you're a notorious' liar.......

Fuzzball wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 10:49am:

mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 10:36am: rhino wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 10:21am: *yawn* Of course. Why would it interest you? You're a notorious racist. And 'you're a notorious' liar.......

Nope. Never lied.

Can you prove i have?

Can you prove you're not?

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 10:41am:

So no history of Muslim slave traders from mothra,

And that's in Australia.


mothra wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 10:45am:

If you bother to look on thee front page of the eneral forum, you will see a thread i started about Islamist and Right Wing terrorism. And another on Female Genital Cutting.

But nothing of the history of Muslim slave traders and Australia.

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lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 11:45am:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 10:41am: So no history of Muslim slave traders from mothra, And that's in Australia. mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 10:45am: If you bother to look on thee front page of the eneral forum, you will see a thread i started about Islamist and Right Wing terrorism. And another on Female Genital Cutting. But nothing of the history of Muslim slave traders and Australia.

Why must everything be about Musims with you people?

This is clearly about Aboriginal people.

Do you have a problem accepting that Aboriginal people were slaves?

You don't seem to want to address it.

mothra wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 11:56am:

ve lee wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 11:45am: bogarde73 wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 10:41am: So no history of Muslim slave traders from mothra, And that's in Australia. mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 10:45am: If you bother to look on thee front page of the eneral forum, you will see a thread i started about Islamist and Right Wing terrorism. And another on Female Genital Cutting. But nothing of the history of Muslim slave traders and Australia. Why must everything be about Musims with you people? This is clearly about Aboriginal people. Do you have a problem accepting that Aboriginal people were slaves? You don't seem to want to address it.

Bit late to address some might have been slaves way back..Way back things were different  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Its the professionally morally outraged people in Australia like Mothra that have caused the most damage to Aboriginal people.

Anyone that has actually been out of the metro area will know exactly what I am talking about.

miketrees wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 12:13pm:

Its the professionally morally outraged people in Australia like Mothra that have caused the most damage to Aboriginal people. Anyone that has actually been out of the metro area will know exactly what I am talking about.

Oh do explain. I'll get comfy.

I think we must stop this racial discrimination right now.

From now on, regardless of your race, creed, colour, or religion (CULTS excepted)
everyone MUST be treated EXACTLY the same.

No more "specialized" treatment, one and all EXACTLY the same.
No more "Special" welfare , condition or exceptions.
ALL and EVERY Australian to be given the EXACT same benefits.
The EXACT SAME requirements.
NO more "CULTURAL or RELIGIOUS" dedicated health or welfare.

One law, one welfare and one country for ALL AUSTRALIANS.

How is that for TOTAL fairness for you?

Or do you want "Special" treatment, Racial inequality and Class segregation?

Valkie wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

I think we must stop this racial discrimination right now. From now on, regardless of your race, creed, colour, or religion (CULTS excepted) everyone MUST be treated EXACTLY the same. No more "specialized" treatment, one and all EXACTLY the same. No more "Special" welfare , condition or exceptions. ALL and EVERY Australian to be given the EXACT same benefits. The EXACT SAME requirements. NO more "CULTURAL or RELIGIOUS" dedicated health or welfare. One law, one welfare and one country for ALL AUSTRALIANS. How is that for TOTAL fairness for you? Or do you want "Special" treatment, Racial inequality and Class segregation?

What special treatment do Aboriginal people get?

mothra wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 11:56am:

Why must everything be about Musims with you people?

Hey you are the one talking about slavery in Australia. But you ignore an element.

mothra wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

What special treatment do Aboriginal people get?

The right to live in remote communities that are not viable and too remote to drive to and from work each day. ;)

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 12:20pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 11:56am: Why must everything be about Musims with you people? Hey you are the one talking about slavery in Australia. But you ignore an element.

Seems to e you're the one ignoring an element. Like the OP. I know. It's tough for many white people to admit what we have done to our Aboriginal brothers and sisters.

You're not alone.

Prejudiced, but not alone.

But by all means. the floor is yours. I'll consider your points although you wont consider mine.

Educate me about Muslim slavery in Australia.

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 12:22pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:16pm: What special treatment do Aboriginal people get? The right to live in remote communities that are not viable and too remote to drive to and from work each day. ;)

Only Aboriginal people live remotley?

Anyway, you missed this part of the OP. I don't blame you. Prejudice is hard to fight.


"Today, there are some Indigenous people in Australia who are required to work a minimum 46 weeks a year for the Government with no leave entitlements and no superannuation, and are paid a significant portion of their wages on a card that can only be spent in certain stores and on certain wages.

The Community Deveopment Programme (CDP), an Government employment service for people living in remote areas, has been criticised in a recent Jobs Australia report as being overly complicated and having not enough community buy in. There are also concerns that the system makes reaching the requirements difficult and with too many financial penalties. For example, a participant can lose up to 10 per cent of their fortnightly pay-per-day for non-compliance. The CDP has been further criticised for applying penalties more frequently than comparable non-remote programs.

A recent report completed for Jobs Australia by ANU researcher, Lisa Fowkes, points out that, “There are approximately 34,000 job seekers in CDP, compared to around 760,000 in jobactive – it is less than 1/20th the size of the larger program."

mothra wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

miketrees wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:13pm: Its the professionally morally outraged people in Australia like Mothra that have caused the most damage to Aboriginal people. Anyone that has actually been out of the metro area will know exactly what I am talking about. Oh do explain. I'll get comfy.

Well, at least i got comfy.

No explanation from Miketrees though.

mothra wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 12:28pm:

lee wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:20pm: mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 11:56am: Why must everything be about Musims with you people? Hey you are the one talking about slavery in Australia. But you ignore an element. Seems to e you're the one ignoring an element. Like the OP. I know. It's tough for many white people to admit what we have done to our Aboriginal brothers and sisters. You're not alone. Prejudiced, but not alone. But by all means. the floor is yours. I'll consider your points although you wont consider mine. Educate me about Muslim slavery in Australia.

Leeeeeeeeee!

Are you going to educate me or not?

mothra wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Leeeeeeeeee! Are you going to educate me or not?

Do your own research. if you are able.

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:43pm: Leeeeeeeeee! Are you going to educate me or not? Do your own research. if you are able.

Well i've tried Lee. I've typed every possible combination of "Islam", "Muslim" "Australia" and "slave" into google and come up with absolutely nothing.

Perhaps you can tell me where i'm going wrong?

In the meantime, would you care to comment upon the slavery in Australia that is both evidenced and proven?

There is a history being told of muslims and peaceful relationships with Islam.

But there appears a certain reluctance to face the fact that it was not always peaceful.

""I'm a historian and I know that the Makassans, when they came to Arnhem Land, they had cannons, they were armed, there were violent incidents," says Regina Ganter at Griffith University in Brisbane. But many in the Yolngu community are wedded to a view of the sea cucumber trade as an alternative to colonialism, she says, and even consider the Makassans long-lost relatives. When she mentioned the Makassans' cannons to one elder in the tribe, he dismissed it. "He really wanted to tell this story as a story of successful cultural contact, which is so different to people coming and taking your land and taking your women and establishing themselves as superior."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27260027

i have seen other reports where it says they took slaves. You can read into "violent incidents: whatever you will.

Now nincompoops like Mothra are adding slavery to the aborigine saga. The slaves in early Australia were white people you muppet.

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 1:33pm:

There is a history being told of muslims and peaceful relationships with Islam. But there appears a certain reluctance to face the fact that it was not always peaceful. ""I'm a historian and I know that the Makassans, when they came to Arnhem Land, they had cannons, they were armed, there were violent incidents," says Regina Ganter at Griffith University in Brisbane. But many in the Yolngu community are wedded to a view of the sea cucumber trade as an alternative to colonialism, she says, and even consider the Makassans long-lost relatives. When she mentioned the Makassans' cannons to one elder in the tribe, he dismissed it. "He really wanted to tell this story as a story of successful cultural contact, which is so different to people coming and taking your land and taking your women and establishing themselves as superior." http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27260027 i have seen other reports where it says they took slaves. You can read into "violent incidents: whatever you will.

You know that's a fail, right?

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Now nincompoops like Mothra are adding slavery to the aborigine saga. The slaves in early Australia were white people you muppet.

Hammer, why are you so intent on embarrassing yourself?

mothra wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 1:46pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Now nincompoops like Mothra are adding slavery to the aborigine saga. The slaves in early Australia were white people you muppet. Hammer, why are you so intent on embarrassing yourself?

No mention of British convicts you dropkick.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 1:48pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 1:46pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Now nincompoops like Mothra are adding slavery to the aborigine saga. The slaves in early Australia were white people you muppet. Hammer, why are you so intent on embarrassing yourself? No mention of British convicts you dropkick.

Is there a reason there should be?

mothra wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:14pm: I think we must stop this racial discrimination right now. From now on, regardless of your race, creed, colour, or religion (CULTS excepted) everyone MUST be treated EXACTLY the same. No more "specialized" treatment, one and all EXACTLY the same. No more "Special" welfare , condition or exceptions. ALL and EVERY Australian to be given the EXACT same benefits. The EXACT SAME requirements. NO more "CULTURAL or RELIGIOUS" dedicated health or welfare. One law, one welfare and one country for ALL AUSTRALIANS. How is that for TOTAL fairness for you? Or do you want "Special" treatment, Racial inequality and Class segregation? What special treatment do Aboriginal people get?

Oh I don't know, How about
Special Aboriginal medical facilities.
More welfare
Free education.
Government housing with extras, faster than any white Australian.
Special loans
Cultural gimmies
Free land, which they then sell off and waste the money.
Aboriginal only employment (Its culturally significant requirement....bullshite)

Shall I go on and on?????

Lets just make everything EXACTLY the same for EVERY Australian.
Do you have a problem with that??????

You are racist.

Valkie wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 3:08pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:16pm: Valkie wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:14pm: I think we must stop this racial discrimination right now. From now on, regardless of your race, creed, colour, or religion (CULTS excepted) everyone MUST be treated EXACTLY the same. No more "specialized" treatment, one and all EXACTLY the same. No more "Special" welfare , condition or exceptions. ALL and EVERY Australian to be given the EXACT same benefits. The EXACT SAME requirements. NO more "CULTURAL or RELIGIOUS" dedicated health or welfare. One law, one welfare and one country for ALL AUSTRALIANS. How is that for TOTAL fairness for you? Or do you want "Special" treatment, Racial inequality and Class segregation? What special treatment do Aboriginal people get? Oh I don't know, How about Special Aboriginal medical facilities. More welfare Free education. Government housing with extras, faster than any white Australian. Special loans Cultural gimmies Free land, which they then sell off and waste the money. Aboriginal only employment (Its culturally significant requirement....bullshite) Shall I go on and on????? Lets just make everything EXACTLY the same for EVERY Australian. Do you have a problem with that?????? You are racist.

You are, as usual, quite wrong.

Valkie wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 3:08pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:16pm: Valkie wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:14pm: I think we must stop this racial discrimination right now. From now on, regardless of your race, creed, colour, or religion (CULTS excepted) everyone MUST be treated EXACTLY the same. No more "specialized" treatment, one and all EXACTLY the same. No more "Special" welfare , condition or exceptions. ALL and EVERY Australian to be given the EXACT same benefits. The EXACT SAME requirements. NO more "CULTURAL or RELIGIOUS" dedicated health or welfare. One law, one welfare and one country for ALL AUSTRALIANS. How is that for TOTAL fairness for you? Or do you want "Special" treatment, Racial inequality and Class segregation? What special treatment do Aboriginal people get? Oh I don't know, How about Special Aboriginal medical facilities. More welfare Free education. Government housing with extras, faster than any white Australian. Special loans Cultural gimmies Free land, which they then sell off and waste the money. Aboriginal only employment (Its culturally significant requirement....bullshite) Shall I go on and on????? Lets just make everything EXACTLY the same for EVERY Australian. Do you have a problem with that?????? You are racist.

Aborignals have the right to be abused by immigrant-descendant racist cretins like Valkie.

mothra wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 3:11pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:16pm: Valkie wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:14pm: I think we must stop this racial discrimination right now. From now on, regardless of your race, creed, colour, or religion (CULTS excepted) everyone MUST be treated EXACTLY the same. No more "specialized" treatment, one and all EXACTLY the same. No more "Special" welfare , condition or exceptions. ALL and EVERY Australian to be given the EXACT same benefits. The EXACT SAME requirements. NO more "CULTURAL or RELIGIOUS" dedicated health or welfare. One law, one welfare and one country for ALL AUSTRALIANS. How is that for TOTAL fairness for you? Or do you want "Special" treatment, Racial inequality and Class segregation? What special treatment do Aboriginal people get? Oh I don't know, How about Special Aboriginal medical facilities. More welfare Free education. Government housing with extras, faster than any white Australian. Special loans Cultural gimmies Free land, which they then sell off and waste the money. Aboriginal only employment (Its culturally significant requirement....bullshite) Shall I go on and on????? Lets just make everything EXACTLY the same for EVERY Australian. Do you have a problem with that?????? You are racist. You are, as usual, quite wrong.

And you are a liar.
Typical of an apologist I suppose.
There are Aboriginal only medical facilities where I live, Aboriginal only....
Aboriginals get a higher welfare payment, I have an Aboriginal friend who is on welfare and its a fact.
Education is not only free, my friend several qualifications all paid for by my taxes, I would have to pay to do them.
Are you aware that Aboriginal housing has several mandatory extras? Well it has dear, Wood fences, not metal, Wool carpet, not nylon fixed heating etc, there are more, but I cant remember them all.
And if you want to be bumped up the list quick smart, just tick Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander and see what happens. That is why they ask.

Cheap, SPECIAL loans, or are you missing out dearie?
Aboriginal cultural centers, buildings and meeting places, all paid for by the Grubberment My taxes. Every town, suburb or city has these, and don't think for a second that they pay for them.

They are given land after they get someone else to fight for it of course, which they sell off cheap.
On the Central Coast the local Aboriginal tribe went in with the National parks to get the rights to the peninsular from Soldiers beach to the Entrance.
When the local Grubberment gave them the land, previously owned by everyone, the Aboriginals gave half to the National Parks, who promptly locked it all up. and then sold the rest to a development corporation for quite a few million. They had been trying unsuccessfully for years to get a hold of it.
Now access to the beach along that peninsular is limited.
The Aboriginal group wasted nearly half of the money with nothing to show for it, until an administrator was appointed, which to this day they are still fighting.
This is the normal outcome of many land right claims, sell off the land and waste the money.

Finally, If I were to advertise for a white or ethnic employee, I would have to fight off dozens of groups wanting to get their hands on me.
And yet, the Aboriginals have Aboriginal only employment because its "Culturally significant".
I thought it was illegal to discriminate?
Or is reverse racism OK?
Must be the CULT has no problem getting away with it do they?

Now, I have demonstrated that
1) you are a liar
or
2) you have no idea what you are talking about.

Valkie wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:11pm: Valkie wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:16pm: Valkie wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:14pm: I think we must stop this racial discrimination right now. From now on, regardless of your race, creed, colour, or religion (CULTS excepted) everyone MUST be treated EXACTLY the same. No more "specialized" treatment, one and all EXACTLY the same. No more "Special" welfare , condition or exceptions. ALL and EVERY Australian to be given the EXACT same benefits. The EXACT SAME requirements. NO more "CULTURAL or RELIGIOUS" dedicated health or welfare. One law, one welfare and one country for ALL AUSTRALIANS. How is that for TOTAL fairness for you? Or do you want "Special" treatment, Racial inequality and Class segregation? What special treatment do Aboriginal people get? Oh I don't know, How about Special Aboriginal medical facilities. More welfare Free education. Government housing with extras, faster than any white Australian. Special loans Cultural gimmies Free land, which they then sell off and waste the money. Aboriginal only employment (Its culturally significant requirement....bullshite) Shall I go on and on????? Lets just make everything EXACTLY the same for EVERY Australian. Do you have a problem with that?????? You are racist. You are, as usual, quite wrong. And you are a liar. Typical of an apologist I suppose. There are Aboriginal only medical facilities where I live, Aboriginal only.... Aboriginals get a higher welfare payment, I have an Aboriginal friend who is on welfare and its a fact. Education is not only free, my friend several qualifications all paid for by my taxes, I would have to pay to do them. Are you aware that Aboriginal housing has several mandatory extras? Well it has dear, Wood fences, not metal, Wool carpet, not nylon fixed heating etc, there are more, but I cant remember them all. And if you want to be bumped up the list quick smart, just tick Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander and see what happens. That is why they ask. Cheap, SPECIAL loans, or are you missing out dearie? Aboriginal cultural centers, buildings and meeting places, all paid for by the Grubberment My taxes. Every town, suburb or city has these, and don't think for a second that they pay for them. They are given land after they get someone else to fight for it of course, which they sell off cheap. On the Central Coast the local Aboriginal tribe went in with the National parks to get the rights to the peninsular from Soldiers beach to the Entrance. When the local Grubberment gave them the land, previously owned by everyone, the Aboriginals gave half to the National Parks, who promptly locked it all up. and then sold the rest to a development corporation for quite a few million. They had been trying unsuccessfully for years to get a hold of it. Now access to the beach along that peninsular is limited. The Aboriginal group wasted nearly half of the money with nothing to show for it, until an administrator was appointed, which to this day they are still fighting. This is the normal outcome of many land right claims, sell off the land and waste the money. Finally, If I were to advertise for a white or ethnic employee, I would have to fight off dozens of groups wanting to get their hands on me. And yet, the Aboriginals have Aboriginal only employment because its "Culturally significant". I thought it was illegal to discriminate? Or is reverse racism OK? Must be the CULT has no problem getting away with it do they? Now, I have demonstrated that 1) you are a liar or 2) you have no idea what you are talking about.

You're raving.

And you're absolutely wrong on everything but the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Centres ...  but why would you begrudge them that?

Here's the truth about the 'free ride' that some Australians think Indigenous peoples get

The shocking truth about non-Indigenous Australia is that many people mistakenly assume that Indigenous Australians coast through life, receiving privileges and benefits. Bronwyn Carlson busts this myth with some hard truths.



Recently, while teaching an 'Introduction to Indigenous Australia' course, a non-Indigenous student asked me if it was true that Indigenous people got to go to university for free. He had heard that Indigenous people were also recipients of a range of other benefits and privileges not available to non-Indigenous people.

Intrigued, I decided to ask the class what they thought about this idea that Indigenous Australians received goods and services and even financial compensation for being Indigenous. Many of the students held the belief that indeed Indigenous Australians received privileges and benefits not available to non-Indigenous Australians.

The level of conviction that this was in fact the truth shocked me. I asked the class to tell me more about the ‘free’ things available only to Indigenous Australians.

The first question was about university. I am not sure where this idea originates from but it is enduring. Members of the class were convinced that Indigenous Australians did not have to pay for a tertiary education and received “free” government funds to attend.

Some also believed that Indigenous students passed and received their degree without having to do any of the assignments. I asked them if this was the case why are Indigenous people under-represented in the university sector?

According to the Review of Higher Education Access and Outcomes for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander People: Final Report 2012, Indigenous people comprise 1.4 per cent of student enrollments at university, including only 1.1 per cent of higher degree by research enrollments. Indigenous staffing levels are also low, with 0.8 per cent of all full-time equivalent academic staff and 1.2 per cent of general university staff being Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people.

Indigenous Australians like all other Australians pay to go to university. The only way any student would come to university without paying fees is if they had a scholarship. There are very few scholarships for Indigenous people specifically.

In terms of the “free payment” – Indigenous Australians generally have access to the same or similar services and support for studying as other Australians. They do not receive “free payments” because they are Indigenous nor are they exempt from doing the work. Specific government programs not “free payments” are available to address the economic and social disadvantage that Indigenous Australians may face. Such payments are generally also means tested.

The next range questions were amusing in some ways given the ridiculousness of them. I was asked if it is true that Indigenous people get free wedding dresses, a free dog, a free Toyota and a free payment from Centrelink (perhaps to pay for dog food for the free dog). The most nonsensical question however, was whether Indigenous people get “free home loans”.

Commonsense would surely tell us that a loan requires repayment therefore cannot and is not “free”. I was at first amused at the absurdity of the questions then realised that some of the students actually believed that these were indeed factual. To be clear – there is no truth to these myths.

I asked the students to reflect on why they thought that Indigenous people received such things for ‘free’. Over the next 13 weeks we examined historical documents written by colonisers that described massacres of Indigenous people and forced dispossession of lands.

The literature provided students with evidence that revealed that for over two centuries, policies of ‘Protection’, Segregation and Assimilation variously regulated the daily lives and movement of Indigenous people in Australia. Regulation occurred through child removal, enforced miscegenation, the outlawing of culture and language, the destruction and theft of lands and the breakdown of kinship relations through forced relocation; in effect, policies and practices were aimed towards the containment and annihilation of all Indigenous people.

While many non-Indigenous people may argue that such practices were a thing of the past, evidence suggests otherwise. For example, in 2007 the then Prime Minister John Howard led the Northern Territory Intervention, which was widely condemned as racist and including by the United Nations. More recently, the Western Australian government announced plans to stop funding fundamental services to Indigenous communities essentially forcing Indigenous peoples, in these locations, from their homelands.

In 2016 the Productivity Commission revealed that Indigenous Australians are becoming more disadvantaged with increasing accounts of intergenerational trauma, high imprisonment rates, alarming suicide rates and mental health issues. Characterisation of Indigenous Australians as recipients of a “free ride” and who are seen to be motivated to rort the public purse has its roots in an ignorance of Indigenous experiences of dispossession, colonisation and ongoing colonial violence.

When confronted with the idea that Indigenous people get everything for free it is important for commonsense to prevail. I am pleased that my students were able to see that there was no truth to be found in the questions that they had and that they were able to critically reflect on why they thought there was.

Bronwyn Carlson is an Associate Professor of Indigenous Studies at the University of Wollongong and author of The Politics of Identity: Who Counts as Aboriginal Today?

http://www.sbs.com.au/topics/life/culture/article/2016/12/07/heres-truth-about-free-ride-some-australians-think-indigenous-peoples-get

If you are going to talk about Australia and slavery, you should at least make the comparison with the long, pestulant voyages of those exiled from the British Isles for what were acts of rebellion, and then farmed out as labourers to private individuals. Cheap labour. They were often flogged with a cat o' nine tails by their masters, so let's not pretend Australian ancestors all had a rosy time lording it over aboriginals like Simon LeGree. But you probably don't know of him anyway.

“Blackbirding” in the Islands came to the notice of the colonists in Australia in the 1860s due to the American Civil War and the chance for plantation owners to try cotton, the American supply being limited. It wass immidiately vilified in colonial newspapers. But cotton failed due to a blight and requirement for labour did not reappear until the planting of sugar in Queensland. But equally large plantations were vying for labour in German New Guinea, Fiji, and other islands. British and American cruisers had been  instrumental in the supression of the West African slave trade before the Civil War, and afterwards they focused on the South West Pacific. At the same time, Queensland passed laws to regulated island labour.

But to suggest that Colonial sugar planters used slave labour cannot be supported if you actually study history and not just sensationalism. Bucko captains like William Hayes may have got away with kidnapping in the early days, but nobody was sold on an auction block in Australia. Islanders were paid for their labour, and returned to their islands in most cases. The most popular items they took home were guns and ammunition, and they were not given to them for free. They had money. It was not uncommon for some islanders to return to Queensland a second or third time out of choice, having known the conditions under which they would work.

What those who just discovered a little about the 19th century don't understand is that Blackbirding or kidnapping began against a panorama of tribal warfare and canabalism. They are happy to avoid the worst slavers: Peruvians who denuded whole islands of their populations. None ever returned from Peru. They were worked to death in the guano mines.
Equally, those who talk about slavery in Australia, are completely unaware that a steady slave trade had run between Zanzibar in East Africa, an Arab countries from a time centuries before America or Australia were discovered and right up into the 20th century. But such gullible neophytes would rather wring their hands an moan about some bogus guilt by inheritance just because they are of European descent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

Here is a photograph taken of a labour vessel at Bundaberg, preparing to repatriate Islanders. These people are clearly not slaves. Out of interest, note the long surf boat specifically for landing at atolls without harbours.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w45/drazjan/StateLibQld_1_45499_South_Sea_Islanders_on_a_sailing_ship_at_Bundaberg_zpsd1ic0env.jpg

FRED. wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 12:01pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 11:56am: ve lee wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 11:45am: bogarde73 wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 10:41am: So no history of Muslim slave traders from mothra, And that's in Australia. mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 10:45am: If you bother to look on thee front page of the eneral forum, you will see a thread i started about Islamist and Right Wing terrorism. And another on Female Genital Cutting. But nothing of the history of Muslim slave traders and Australia. Why must everything be about Musims with you people? This is clearly about Aboriginal people. Do you have a problem accepting that Aboriginal people were slaves? You don't seem to want to address it. Bit late to address some might have been slaves way back..Way back things were different  ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's true, Fred. Things were really different in the 1950s.

We'll discuss the Muslim slave trade instead, shall we?

mothra wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

rhino wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 10:21am: *yawn* Of course. Why would it interest you? You're a notorious racist.

Im not racist, nature is. I just draw attention to evident facts.

Valkie wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:11pm: Valkie wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:16pm: Valkie wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:14pm: I think we must stop this racial discrimination right now. From now on, regardless of your race, creed, colour, or religion (CULTS excepted) everyone MUST be treated EXACTLY the same. No more "specialized" treatment, one and all EXACTLY the same. No more "Special" welfare , condition or exceptions. ALL and EVERY Australian to be given the EXACT same benefits. The EXACT SAME requirements. NO more "CULTURAL or RELIGIOUS" dedicated health or welfare. One law, one welfare and one country for ALL AUSTRALIANS. How is that for TOTAL fairness for you? Or do you want "Special" treatment, Racial inequality and Class segregation? What special treatment do Aboriginal people get? Oh I don't know, How about Special Aboriginal medical facilities. More welfare Free education. Government housing with extras, faster than any white Australian. Special loans Cultural gimmies Free land, which they then sell off and waste the money. Aboriginal only employment (Its culturally significant requirement....bullshite) Shall I go on and on????? Lets just make everything EXACTLY the same for EVERY Australian. Do you have a problem with that?????? You are racist. You are, as usual, quite wrong. And you are a liar. Typical of an apologist I suppose. your ignorance is staggering There are Aboriginal only medical facilities where I live, Aboriginal only.... No, it is illegal to turn away those who need immediate medical attention regardless of race. Aboriginals get a higher welfare payment, I have an Aboriginal friend who is on welfare and its a fact. Oh you have an Aboriginal friend? Raven was raised by an Aboriginal family and he can tell you they get the exact same welfare payment as every one else. But don't take his word for it look at the Centrelink website. You have absolutely zero evidence to back up your ludicrous claim Education is not only free, my friend several qualifications all paid for by my taxes, I would have to pay to do them. Nope. Once again there is zero evidence to support your claim. Raven's brother and sister are still paying off their HECS debt. Are you aware that Aboriginal housing has several mandatory extras? Well it has dear, Wood fences, not metal, Wool carpet, not nylon fixed heating etc, there are more, but I cant remember them all. Oops wrong again. Come on mate, show some evidence. And if you want to be bumped up the list quick smart, just tick Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander and see what happens. That is why they ask. Again evidence? Raven's sister was on the Territory Housing list for 5 years. Yeah, she was bumped up up real f.ucking quick Cheap, SPECIAL loans, or are you missing out dearie? Such as?? Aboriginal cultural centers, buildings and meeting places, all paid for by the Grubberment My taxes. Every town, suburb or city has these, and don't think for a second that they pay for them. Where? Provide evidence. They are given land after they get someone else to fight for it of course, which they sell off cheap. On the Central Coast the local Aboriginal tribe went in with the National parks to get the rights to the peninsular from Soldiers beach to the Entrance. When the local Grubberment gave them the land, previously owned by everyone, the Aboriginals gave half to the National Parks, who promptly locked it all up. and then sold the rest to a development corporation for quite a few million. They had been trying unsuccessfully for years to get a hold of it. Now access to the beach along that peninsular is limited. The Aboriginal group wasted nearly half of the money with nothing to show for it, until an administrator was appointed, which to this day they are still fighting. This is the normal outcome of many land right claims, sell off the land and waste the money. So one group sells their land and you say it's the normal outcome?

the story of the aborigines is one that warns us never to fall off the narrow road to success and never to take a dollar we didnt earn.

the aborigine pre the arrival of Phillip was engaged with his environment. each day he knew he had to take maximum personal responsibility for his survival. each member of the tribe knew he was only welcome in the tribe if he brought value. each day as he hunted he went into a flow state and he would have seen himself as strong, powerful and resilient.
if he did not spear the roo, he knew that sitting around complaining about it, having a sook, asking for counselling about his depression at missing the shot, or joining a union to demand that roos "play ball" were unlikely to help him.

He was in full acceptance of the "harsh reality of the world' and as such he thrived.

fast forward to the introduction of the patronising welfare state and the sit down money of the hand wringing bed wetters from the left and now he is screwed.

Once you take the hand out from the leftie you fall off the road to success.Once you lose momentum its all over. Once you start taking the "path of least resistance" you slide into lower consciousness.

lefties are in this lower conscious state. they are always angry and fearful and blaming and looking back and playing the victim and there is simply no way forward once you let these "negative thought loops into your head".
because its always easier to blame then to climb.

never "vibe" with a leftie do-gooder.

the current state of aboriginals is the direct result of them becoming addicted to the lefts lower consciousness.

maximum personal responsibility is the way to go.

alcohol, welfare, inertia, victimhood, cry baby status, feeling so sad about "me and my harsh little life"...this is not the way of the superior man . leave those emotions to mothra and her band of hand wringers who cant vibe with anything that doesnt make them feel "OUTRAGED".

The aboriginal should be outraged. he had a fun life vibing with the strong alpha males of the NT cattle farmers until the lefties told him he was "entitled" to"victim status".
shame on them, how ugly the soul of the do-gooder is. like a pedophile priest, the do-gooder virtue signals to hide this ugliness.

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Thing is, aqua, the Aborigines fell off the track long before the 'welfare state' came into being...

How can a culture that was essentially busted out of a 50000 year old time capsule expect to catch up so quickly.

I'm OK with bankrolling them for as long as needed providing results are being obtained

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 7:30am:

Thing is, aqua, the Aborigines fell off the track long before the 'welfare state' came into being...

my personal experience in FNQ and the NT was that a lot were in church missions like Hopevale (which i visited often ) and were really happy, always laughing, lots of positive energy.  I think the older ones thought it was utopia to have some creature comforts and sing and go to church and have all their relatives with them.
and the ones who worked stations were well respected , a bit of larrakin spirit, good natured, good for a practical joke, didnt want much out of life, resilient , thought they were pretty cool.

that was late 60's.

the energy was pretty light, a good positive vibe.

But heres the thing...the self loathing leftie has a very "heavy energy", they dont have a light playful vibe which , i believe , is the aboriginal vibe.  they have dense dark energy, victimhood, complaining, getting angry, emotional, pointing the finger, always upset, cranky and pissed off, think anyone who is successful is taking very scarce resources from them and wont share.

In short, the thinking of the leftie is pretty darn toxic.  and this dark energy , these negatives thought loops...the poor old aborigine just soaked it all up like a sponge.
He didnt have much experience of "thinking", he was much more a "doer".
so its easier to infect his brain with this stuff.

The leftie has a lot to answer for....but they wont...their egos would never admit that 100 billion dollars later and lots of white do -gooders in canberra on the gravy train...they have screwed up a quite simple but very nice people for their own political ends....and for their own ego gratification...shame on them.

Mothra, introduce terms like slavery and this is the debate you get. Invasion is another.

If you want to build a consensus on this topic, a more constructive way would be to raise the issue of wage compensation for those who had their wages garnered by the Aboriginal Protection Boards. This cause addresses the notion of fair pay for work, a notion engrained in the Australian psyche and one that can't be questioned.

One famous cause was the Wave Hill strike, where the foreign British pastoral company, Vesteys, forced Aborigines off their anscestral lands, poisoned them, fenced off their waterholes, and put them to work mustering cattle. Their living conditions were appalling and the wages were low - if they got paid at all. The Wave Hill Aborigines, under Vincent Lingiari, decided to strike. They held out for years with the support of the union movement. They were finally granted land rights by the Whitlam government. Gough performed the iconic ritual of pouring dirt into Lingiari's hand.

I doubt anyone here would question land rights to hard-working Aboriginal cattlemen. I doubt anyone would say they shouldn't be paid, or shouldn't have the right to strike. Mind you, these arguments were indeed made in the papers in the 1960s and 70s.

Prior to the 67 Referendum, Aborigines were subject to the protection boards. They had no right to travel, had to live where they were told, had to be granted permission to marry, and had their wages put in "trust". Their children could be removed at the whim of the local welfare or police and placed in church-run institutions where they were taught to be farm labourers or domestic servants. In this period, Aborigines were not allowed in pubs. They were denied acccess to public amenities like swimming pools and even shops when white people were present. Aborigines had a legislated lower status that did, in effect, compare to slavery.

But does the comparison help?

mothra wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 1:46pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Now nincompoops like Mothra are adding slavery to the aborigine saga. The slaves in early Australia were white people you muppet. Hammer, why are you so intent on embarrassing yourself?

YOU DICK HEAD    Irish orphans an poor white people were ship to Australia  up until 1840

AS WIVES  , farmhands,  labourers     over  500 died  due to shipwrecks   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 11:00am:

Mothra, introduce terms like slavery and this is the debate you get. Invasion is another. If you want to build a consensus on this topic, a more constructive way would be to raise the issue of wage compensation for those who had their wages garnered by the Aboriginal Protection Boards. This cause addresses the notion of fair pay for work, a notion engrained in the Australian psyche and one that can't be questioned. One famous cause was the Wave Hill strike, where the foreign British pastoral company, Vesteys, forced Aborigines off their anscestral lands, poisoned them, fenced off their waterholes, and put them to work mustering cattle. Their living conditions were appalling and the wages were low - if they got paid at all. The Wave Hill Aborigines, under Vincent Lingiari, decided to strike. They held out for years with the support of the union movement. They were finally granted land rights by the Whitlam government. Gough performed the iconic ritual of pouring dirt into Lingiari's hand. I doubt anyone here would question land rights to hard-working Aboriginal cattlemen. I doubt anyone would say they shouldn't be paid, or shouldn't have the right to strike. Mind you, these arguments were indeed made in the papers in the 1960s and 70s. Prior to the 67 Referendum, Aborigines were subject to the protection boards. They had no right to travel, had to live where they were told, had to be granted permission to marry, and had their wages put in "trust". Their children could be removed at the whim of the local welfare or police and placed in church-run institutions where they were taught to be farm labourers or domestic servants. In this period, Aborigines were not allowed in pubs. They were denied acccess to public amenities like swimming pools and even shops when white people were present. Aborigines had a legislated lower status that did, in effect, compare to slavery. But does the comparison help?

quite correct.
lefties are masters at symbolism.

gough would have then returned to his intellectual elite clique to have a group wank in air conditioned comfort and left the local aboriginal stockmen and cattle farmers to battle the 45 degree heat and earn some income for australia so he could  buy paintings for the national gallery

Raven wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 4:48am:

Valkie wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:39pm: mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:11pm: Valkie wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:08pm: mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:16pm: Valkie wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 12:14pm: I think we must stop this racial discrimination right now. From now on, regardless of your race, creed, colour, or religion (CULTS excepted) everyone MUST be treated EXACTLY the same. No more "specialized" treatment, one and all EXACTLY the same. No more "Special" welfare , condition or exceptions. ALL and EVERY Australian to be given the EXACT same benefits. The EXACT SAME requirements. NO more "CULTURAL or RELIGIOUS" dedicated health or welfare. One law, one welfare and one country for ALL AUSTRALIANS. How is that for TOTAL fairness for you? Or do you want "Special" treatment, Racial inequality and Class segregation? What special treatment do Aboriginal people get? Oh I don't know, How about Special Aboriginal medical facilities. More welfare Free education. Government housing with extras, faster than any white Australian. Special loans Cultural gimmies Free land, which they then sell off and waste the money. Aboriginal only employment (Its culturally significant requirement....bullshite) Shall I go on and on????? Lets just make everything EXACTLY the same for EVERY Australian. Do you have a problem with that?????? You are racist. You are, as usual, quite wrong. And you are a liar. Typical of an apologist I suppose. your ignorance is staggering There are Aboriginal only medical facilities where I live, Aboriginal only.... No, it is illegal to turn away those who need immediate medical attention regardless of race. Aboriginals get a higher welfare payment, I have an Aboriginal friend who is on welfare and its a fact. Oh you have an Aboriginal friend? Raven was raised by an Aboriginal family and he can tell you they get the exact same welfare payment as every one else. But don't take his word for it look at the Centrelink website. You have absolutely zero evidence to back up your ludicrous claim Education is not only free, my friend several qualifications all paid for by my taxes, I would have to pay to do them. Nope. Once again there is zero evidence to support your claim. Raven's brother and sister are still paying off their HECS debt. Are you aware that Aboriginal housing has several mandatory extras? Well it has dear, Wood fences, not metal, Wool carpet, not nylon fixed heating etc, there are more, but I cant remember them all. Oops wrong again. Come on mate, show some evidence. And if you want to be bumped up the list quick smart, just tick Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander and see what happens. That is why they ask. Again evidence? Raven's sister was on the Territory Housing list for 5 years. Yeah, she was bumped up up real f.ucking quick Cheap, SPECIAL loans, or are you missing out dearie? Such as?? Aboriginal cultural centers, buildings and meeting places, all paid for by the Grubberment My taxes. Every town, suburb or city has these, and don't think for a second that they pay for them. Where? Provide evidence. They are given land after they get someone else to fight for it of course, which they sell off cheap. On the Central Coast the local Aboriginal tribe went in with the National parks to get the rights to the peninsular from Soldiers beach to the Entrance. When the local Grubberment gave them the land, previously owned by everyone, the Aboriginals gave half to the National Parks, who promptly locked it all up. and then sold the rest to a development corporation for quite a few million. They had been trying unsuccessfully for years to get a hold of it. Now access to the beach along that peninsular is limited. The Aboriginal group wasted nearly half of the money with nothing to show for it, until an administrator was appointed, which to this day they are still fighting. This is the normal outcome of many land right claims, sell off the land and waste the money. So one group sells their land and you say it's the normal outcome?

No point arguing with those who do not see.
I stated facts from personal experience, from Aboriginal friends who used these things.
Unless this has changed in the last 10 years, which I doubt, these statements are true.
I worked for an organisation that repaired and upgraded public housing, I know exactly what the Aboriginal tenants got and exactly what Non-Aboriginal tenants got, so I know for fact.

Oh there are all sorts of hidden agendas, hidden benefits and denial statements that they get more than other Australian, but this is just a lie.
I have seen these things with mine own eyes, I cannot deny the truth.
Again, unless there has been a massive change in the last 10 years, there is the same hidden agenda as there always has been.
Do you deny that the Grubberment has spent billions attempting to "Equalize" Aboriginal health with that of other Australians?
This positive discrimination is only he tip of the iceberg.

You can deny, lie, twist facts or claim all manner of stats, but I know the truth.

Once you start taking the "path of least resistance" you slide into lower consciousness.


I live in the NT I cant agree with that statement.

You take the path of least resistance and you survived.

If it gets too hot you sit down and wait, you light up the bush to get an easy kill, you survive.

Aboriginal people survived because they did not fight nature.

Their whole culture is about surviving and doing as little as possible in a harsh environment.

Working like a white man is the most unnatural thing for them. (apart from some of the bludging white men on this site)

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 10:19am:

Is this part of a campaign to induce guilt in white people for actions that were carried out in the past? When can we expect some research from you on the history - past and ongoing - of Muslim slave traders?

Bogarde73 again indulges in misdirection, obfuscation and clouding of issues.

Actions of Muslims are not relevant in the Australian context.

The biggest slaver ever was the British Empire which spread slavery through the world.

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 11:00am:

Mothra, introduce terms like slavery and this is the debate you get. Invasion is another. If you want to build a consensus on this topic, a more constructive way would be to raise the issue of wage compensation for those who had their wages garnered by the Aboriginal Protection Boards. This cause addresses the notion of fair pay for work, a notion engrained in the Australian psyche and one that can't be questioned. One famous cause was the Wave Hill strike, where the foreign British pastoral company, Vesteys, forced Aborigines off their anscestral lands, poisoned them, fenced off their waterholes, and put them to work mustering cattle. Their living conditions were appalling and the wages were low - if they got paid at all. The Wave Hill Aborigines, under Vincent Lingiari, decided to strike. They held out for years with the support of the union movement. They were finally granted land rights by the Whitlam government. Gough performed the iconic ritual of pouring dirt into Lingiari's hand. I doubt anyone here would question land rights to hard-working Aboriginal cattlemen. I doubt anyone would say they shouldn't be paid, or shouldn't have the right to strike. Mind you, these arguments were indeed made in the papers in the 1960s and 70s. Prior to the 67 Referendum, Aborigines were subject to the protection boards. They had no right to travel, had to live where they were told, had to be granted permission to marry, and had their wages put in "trust". Their children could be removed at the whim of the local welfare or police and placed in church-run institutions where they were taught to be farm labourers or domestic servants. In this period, Aborigines were not allowed in pubs. They were denied acccess to public amenities like swimming pools and even shops when white people were present. Aborigines had a legislated lower status that did, in effect, compare to slavery. But does the comparison help?

Indeed .. but all i did was post an article from SBS, foolishly thinking it might open a few minds on what, in living memory, was perpetrated against our Aboriginal brothers and sisters.

I should have known it would just be used as fodder for the racists.

While you make a salient point, do you really think such people can be reached, even without using divisive terms (that, mind you, are not intended to be divisive)?

It seems the word "Aboriginal" is enough to set them off.

mothra wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 4:44pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 11:00am: Mothra, introduce terms like slavery and this is the debate you get. Invasion is another. If you want to build a consensus on this topic, a more constructive way would be to raise the issue of wage compensation for those who had their wages garnered by the Aboriginal Protection Boards. This cause addresses the notion of fair pay for work, a notion engrained in the Australian psyche and one that can't be questioned. One famous cause was the Wave Hill strike, where the foreign British pastoral company, Vesteys, forced Aborigines off their anscestral lands, poisoned them, fenced off their waterholes, and put them to work mustering cattle. Their living conditions were appalling and the wages were low - if they got paid at all. The Wave Hill Aborigines, under Vincent Lingiari, decided to strike. They held out for years with the support of the union movement. They were finally granted land rights by the Whitlam government. Gough performed the iconic ritual of pouring dirt into Lingiari's hand. I doubt anyone here would question land rights to hard-working Aboriginal cattlemen. I doubt anyone would say they shouldn't be paid, or shouldn't have the right to strike. Mind you, these arguments were indeed made in the papers in the 1960s and 70s. Prior to the 67 Referendum, Aborigines were subject to the protection boards. They had no right to travel, had to live where they were told, had to be granted permission to marry, and had their wages put in "trust". Their children could be removed at the whim of the local welfare or police and placed in church-run institutions where they were taught to be farm labourers or domestic servants. In this period, Aborigines were not allowed in pubs. They were denied acccess to public amenities like swimming pools and even shops when white people were present. Aborigines had a legislated lower status that did, in effect, compare to slavery. But does the comparison help? Indeed .. but all i did was post an article from SBS, foolishly thinking it might open a few minds on what, in living memory, was perpetrated against our Aboriginal brothers and sisters. I should have known it would just be used as fodder for the racists. While you make a salient point, do you really think such people can be reached, even without using divisive terms (that, mind you, are not intended to be divisive)? It seems the word "Aboriginal" is enough to set them off.

Sure I do. Bob Katter is one politician who has attempted to build this bridge. Tony Abbott is another, although in his case, all we saw was his failure to bring his own conservative wing along with him.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 12:45pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 11:00am: Mothra, introduce terms like slavery and this is the debate you get. Invasion is another. If you want to build a consensus on this topic, a more constructive way would be to raise the issue of wage compensation for those who had their wages garnered by the Aboriginal Protection Boards. This cause addresses the notion of fair pay for work, a notion engrained in the Australian psyche and one that can't be questioned. One famous cause was the Wave Hill strike, where the foreign British pastoral company, Vesteys, forced Aborigines off their anscestral lands, poisoned them, fenced off their waterholes, and put them to work mustering cattle. Their living conditions were appalling and the wages were low - if they got paid at all. The Wave Hill Aborigines, under Vincent Lingiari, decided to strike. They held out for years with the support of the union movement. They were finally granted land rights by the Whitlam government. Gough performed the iconic ritual of pouring dirt into Lingiari's hand. No income for Australia,dear. The pastoral company the Wave Hill mob worked for was British. I doubt anyone here would question land rights to hard-working Aboriginal cattlemen. I doubt anyone would say they shouldn't be paid, or shouldn't have the right to strike. Mind you, these arguments were indeed made in the papers in the 1960s and 70s. Prior to the 67 Referendum, Aborigines were subject to the protection boards. They had no right to travel, had to live where they were told, had to be granted permission to marry, and had their wages put in "trust". Their children could be removed at the whim of the local welfare or police and placed in church-run institutions where they were taught to be farm labourers or domestic servants. In this period, Aborigines were not allowed in pubs. They were denied acccess to public amenities like swimming pools and even shops when white people were present. Aborigines had a legislated lower status that did, in effect, compare to slavery. But does the comparison help? quite correct. lefties are masters at symbolism. gough would have then returned to his intellectual elite clique to have a group wank in air conditioned comfort and left the local aboriginal stockmen and cattle farmers to battle the 45 degree heat and earn some income for australia so he could  buy paintings for the national gallery

Income for Australia? The Vesteys were a British family with holdings throughout South America, Rhodesia and Australia, dear. Prior to the invention of tax havens, their income was consolidated in a private account in London.

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 5:41pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 4:44pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 11:00am: Mothra, introduce terms like slavery and this is the debate you get. Invasion is another. If you want to build a consensus on this topic, a more constructive way would be to raise the issue of wage compensation for those who had their wages garnered by the Aboriginal Protection Boards. This cause addresses the notion of fair pay for work, a notion engrained in the Australian psyche and one that can't be questioned. One famous cause was the Wave Hill strike, where the foreign British pastoral company, Vesteys, forced Aborigines off their anscestral lands, poisoned them, fenced off their waterholes, and put them to work mustering cattle. Their living conditions were appalling and the wages were low - if they got paid at all. The Wave Hill Aborigines, under Vincent Lingiari, decided to strike. They held out for years with the support of the union movement. They were finally granted land rights by the Whitlam government. Gough performed the iconic ritual of pouring dirt into Lingiari's hand. I doubt anyone here would question land rights to hard-working Aboriginal cattlemen. I doubt anyone would say they shouldn't be paid, or shouldn't have the right to strike. Mind you, these arguments were indeed made in the papers in the 1960s and 70s. Prior to the 67 Referendum, Aborigines were subject to the protection boards. They had no right to travel, had to live where they were told, had to be granted permission to marry, and had their wages put in "trust". Their children could be removed at the whim of the local welfare or police and placed in church-run institutions where they were taught to be farm labourers or domestic servants. In this period, Aborigines were not allowed in pubs. They were denied acccess to public amenities like swimming pools and even shops when white people were present. Aborigines had a legislated lower status that did, in effect, compare to slavery. But does the comparison help? Indeed .. but all i did was post an article from SBS, foolishly thinking it might open a few minds on what, in living memory, was perpetrated against our Aboriginal brothers and sisters. I should have known it would just be used as fodder for the racists. While you make a salient point, do you really think such people can be reached, even without using divisive terms (that, mind you, are not intended to be divisive)? It seems the word "Aboriginal" is enough to set them off. Sure I do. Bob Katter is one politician who has attempted to build this bridge. Tony Abbott is another, although in his case, all we saw was his failure to bring his own conservative wing along with him.

Odd fellow that Katter eh? He holds some views that make me chuck yet seems so pragmatic and sensible and sensitive on Indigenous Australians.

He's a politician. Boongs - and their filthy apologists - vote.

Biggest piece of Mothball BS yet posted.

The only descendants of actual slave type people in Australia are Kanak people/Kanakas of New Caledonia
and other Pacific Islands.

What was done via wages withheld for Aboriginal workers or stockmen

was done so they would have some money top last/bank
beyond payday.

Aboriginal culture is to share everything including money with extended family.

What happened allowed them to be living in their own houses (despite how they are looked after) and still getting the pension

which they call getting their pay.

Who the smack pays for that Mothballs?

Honestly you urban mega trendy galloptics wouldn't have a bloody clue.

Your forte is disseminating PC BS.

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 7:34pm:

He's a politician. Boongs - and their filthy apologists - vote.

I reckon gays with a  fetish for cowboys would vote for him

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Bobs a very up beat guy.  he is in "high vibration energy".
Noel pearson is also in high vibration energy.

people in high vibration energy attract others in high vibration energy.

they tend to be positive optomistic, solutions driven and call out those who have excuse making momentum.

so these sort of people get very frustrated with the people who are in 'low vibration energy".


Low vibration energy tends to be about identifying with pain, with victomhood, complaining, self pity, feeling "unfocused discontent".
people in this state will identify with other people who they see as victims and who complain and whine and sook.

its no surprise that most people who are in low vibration energy tend to focus on the same issues (the low vibration issues)...so the negative people tend to focus on manus island, palestine, domestic violence, gay rights issues, aboriginal issues, pedophillia, youth detention centres.

anywhere there is a lot of pain and suffering, this is where they put their focus because THEY have pain and suffering in their lives and they just feel comfort with the familiar.

the problem for the aborigines is that this just contructs a feedback loop of toxic negativity.  they soak up this "low vibration energy" from those who are just feeding their own pain by feeding off the aboriginal pain. there is no solution here.  petrol sniffing, alcohol, domestic violence, poor nutrition...this is all the consequence of being in this low vibration frame and the more it is confirmed by interactions with negative people, the worse it becomes.

the only solution is to only allow strong positive people with an aspirational and inspirational message to interact.

when aborigines read the sort of stuff mothra posted...they go down.  it aint helping.
all it is helping is for those who post it to "vibe" with a toxic narrative .
Bob katter would agree with me, i am sure  ;)

Gnads wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Biggest piece of Mothball BS yet posted. The only descendants of actual slave type people in Australia are Kanak people/Kanakas of New Caledonia and other Pacific Islands. What was done via wages withheld for Aboriginal workers or stockmen was done so they would have some money top last/bank beyond payday. Aboriginal culture is to share everything including money with extended family. What happened allowed them to be living in their own houses (despite how they are looked after) and still getting the pension which they call getting their pay. Who the smack pays for that Mothballs? Honestly you urban mega trendy galloptics wouldn't have a bloody clue. Your forte is disseminating PC BS.

Do you never tire of being proven wrong?

Queensland class action over unpaid wages for Indigenous people 'setting a national precedent'


Lawyers say a class action in Queensland over unpaid wages to Aboriginal people is setting a national precedent, as dozens more come forward in other states to say they were not paid properly.

Key points:

Qld class action involves 300 Aboriginal people who say they were not paid for years of labour
Government paid people 'miniscule amount' in return for waiving legal rights in 2002
Litigation proceedings will be speedy due to the advanced age of the claimants
More than 300 people are suing the Queensland Government in the Federal Court, which held money in a trust that should have been paid to them as labourers or domestic workers more than half a century ago.

Rebecca Jancauskas, from Shine lawyers, said the class actions first directions hearing this week had revealed that the litigation proceedings would be speedy because of the advanced age of the claimants.

"It was clear that these claims are being taken seriously by federal court bench," she said.

"And proceedings have set the tone for litigation in other states where protectionist legislation was in place and wages were withheld from Indigenous people.

"So what we're doing at Shine is investigating bringing proceedings in other states — including the Northern Territory, Western Australia and NSW."

'We were sometimes paid three pounds'

Violet Perry was 15 years old when she and dozens of other girls were taken from a mission in central New South Wales to become domestic workers in Sydney.

"The welfare board walked in one day and she said to my mother: 'I've got a job for your daughter'," she said.
"My mother nearly screamed the house down, I was crying and I didn't know what to say or do."

Ms Perry worked in homes in Sydney's eastern suburbs for years in the early 1960s.

She said she was "sometimes" paid three pounds a week, but said there were times where she and the other workers would not get paid at all.

"Because we had a room down the back we never asked questions, because they might have done something to us," she said.

Ms Perry, now 71 years old, is one of the dozens of people around Australia who have come forward wanting to be part of the class action.

2002 claimants received a 'fraction of what they were owed'

The Queensland Government did set up a reparations scheme in 2002, but Ms Jancauskas said claimants only received between $2,000 and $7,000 for decades of work as labourers, stockmen or domestic servants.

"The amount they received through the reparations scheme was but a fraction of the money that the Government is holding in trust for them," Ms Jancauskas said.

"Had people received their entitlements through reparations schemes, then there would be no need for litigation to be pursued."

Those who took part in the scheme had to sign a deed of release, stopping them from taking further action.

But Ms Jancauskas said that would not stop them from participating in the litigation.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-23/queensland-class-action-over-unpaid-wages-for-indigenous-people/7871078

And:


Aboriginal slavery disguised as 'Protectionism'

Between 1860 and 1970, Australia effectively had state-sanctioned slavery of Aboriginal people. Historians Dr Rosalind Kidd and Dr Thalia Anthony have documented how Aboriginal Australians of all ages were forcibly sent to work on sheep and cattle properties across Australia under government schemes that were supposedly "designed to protect them". Laws in Western Australia allowed Aboriginal children to be sent from the age of 12. The conditions were often horrific: 16-hour days, floggings and forced removal from families. They were either unpaid or received only a few shillings pocket money. State governments assured these workers that their wages were placed in a government trust, but most never saw a cent. Aboriginal people have been trying to recuperate these stolen wages for years. And how much have we offered them? In Queensland you can claim up to $7,000 and in Western Australia a measly $2,000. Yup, a few thousand dollars for a lifetime of forced labour. Aussie Aussie Aussie! Etc.


http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/australia-needs-to-own-up-to-its-slave-history-20150427-1muhg3.html

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 10:05am:

And: Aboriginal slavery disguised as 'Protectionism' Between 1860 and 1970, Australia effectively had state-sanctioned slavery of Aboriginal people. Historians Dr Rosalind Kidd and Dr Thalia Anthony have documented how Aboriginal Australians of all ages were forcibly sent to work on sheep and cattle properties across Australia under government schemes that were supposedly "designed to protect them". Laws in Western Australia allowed Aboriginal children to be sent from the age of 12. The conditions were often horrific: 16-hour days, floggings and forced removal from families. They were either unpaid or received only a few shillings pocket money. State governments assured these workers that their wages were placed in a government trust, but most never saw a cent. Aboriginal people have been trying to recuperate these stolen wages for years. And how much have we offered them? In Queensland you can claim up to $7,000 and in Western Australia a measly $2,000. Yup, a few thousand dollars for a lifetime of forced labour. Aussie Aussie Aussie! Etc. http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/australia-needs-to-own-up-to-its-slave-history-20150427-1muhg3.html

Oi oi oi.

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 10:05am:

And: Aboriginal slavery disguised as 'Protectionism' Between 1860 and 1970, Australia effectively had state-sanctioned slavery of Aboriginal people. Historians Dr Rosalind Kidd and Dr Thalia Anthony have documented how Aboriginal Australians of all ages were forcibly sent to work on sheep and cattle properties across Australia under government schemes that were supposedly "designed to protect them". Laws in Western Australia allowed Aboriginal children to be sent from the age of 12. The conditions were often horrific: 16-hour days, floggings and forced removal from families. They were either unpaid or received only a few shillings pocket money. State governments assured these workers that their wages were placed in a government trust, but most never saw a cent. Aboriginal people have been trying to recuperate these stolen wages for years. And how much have we offered them? In Queensland you can claim up to $7,000 and in Western Australia a measly $2,000. Yup, a few thousand dollars for a lifetime of forced labour. Aussie Aussie Aussie! Etc. http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/australia-needs-to-own-up-to-its-slave-history-20150427-1muhg3.html

yep , thats unfair.

and i totally get why aborigines feel they have the right to sit around and complain about it....but it wont help one bit.

life is harsh and life is unfair...becoming a victim is a choice and its the wrong choice.

the jews could have sat around  aushwitz and bitched and whined for eternity...but they chose not to.
the cambodians could have sat around the killing fields and bitched and whined for eternity..but they chose not to.


the harshness of life is just a reality.
and when you are confronted with harshness, you have a decision to make.

you identify with the pain and you become a victim
or you take a lesson in life and you grow.

there is no third option.

your harping on this stuff does aborigines not one scrap of good. it does not promote them froward in life one iota.

please desist

aquascoot wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 10:05am: And: Aboriginal slavery disguised as 'Protectionism' Between 1860 and 1970, Australia effectively had state-sanctioned slavery of Aboriginal people. Historians Dr Rosalind Kidd and Dr Thalia Anthony have documented how Aboriginal Australians of all ages were forcibly sent to work on sheep and cattle properties across Australia under government schemes that were supposedly "designed to protect them". Laws in Western Australia allowed Aboriginal children to be sent from the age of 12. The conditions were often horrific: 16-hour days, floggings and forced removal from families. They were either unpaid or received only a few shillings pocket money. State governments assured these workers that their wages were placed in a government trust, but most never saw a cent. Aboriginal people have been trying to recuperate these stolen wages for years. And how much have we offered them? In Queensland you can claim up to $7,000 and in Western Australia a measly $2,000. Yup, a few thousand dollars for a lifetime of forced labour. Aussie Aussie Aussie! Etc. http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/australia-needs-to-own-up-to-its-slave-history-20150427-1muhg3.html yep , thats unfair. and i totally get why aborigines feel they have the right to sit around and complain about it....but it wont help one bit. life is harsh and life is unfair...becoming a victim is a choice and its the wrong choice. the jews could have sat around  aushwitz and bitched and whined for eternity...but they chose not to. the cambodians could have sat around the killing fields and bitched and whined for eternity..but they chose not to. the harshness of life is just a reality. and when you are confronted with harshness, you have a decision to make. you identify with the pain and you become a victim or you take a lesson in life and you grow. there is no third option. your harping on this stuff does aborigines not one scrap of good. it does not promote them froward in life one iota. please desist

Unfortunately for the likes of you and the prejudice that guides you, they are doing more than "sitting around and complaining", they are litigating.

Litigating that will indeed "promote them froward (sic) in life".

You're not helping anybody by pretending it never happened, or refusing to talk about it.

Disadvantage amongst has it's roots in colonial policy.

Don't you think it's time people like you stopped blaming them?

aquascoot wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

your harping on this stuff does aborigines not one scrap of good. it does not promote them froward in life one iota. please desist

Correct, and I will go one step further, this constant negative harping actually helps keep them where they are.

rhino wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 1:46pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 12:57pm: your harping on this stuff does aborigines not one scrap of good. it does not promote them froward in life one iota. please desist Correct, and I will go one step further, this constant negative harping actually helps keep them where they are.

Quite wrong, as usual.

By drawing attention to the horrendous inequalities of our not too distant past, there is now a Class Action to recoup wages allegedly held in trust.

Furthermore, education is never wasted. The only reason to hide the injustices that are the direct result of colonialisation are to preserve white people from feeling guilty and justifying their ignorance based racism.

People keep causing Aboriginal people of "not advancing".    Do you not think that factors explaining that lack of advancement ought be considered?

aquascoot wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 10:05am: And: Aboriginal slavery disguised as 'Protectionism' Between 1860 and 1970, Australia effectively had state-sanctioned slavery of Aboriginal people. Historians Dr Rosalind Kidd and Dr Thalia Anthony have documented how Aboriginal Australians of all ages were forcibly sent to work on sheep and cattle properties across Australia under government schemes that were supposedly "designed to protect them". Laws in Western Australia allowed Aboriginal children to be sent from the age of 12. The conditions were often horrific: 16-hour days, floggings and forced removal from families. They were either unpaid or received only a few shillings pocket money. State governments assured these workers that their wages were placed in a government trust, but most never saw a cent. Aboriginal people have been trying to recuperate these stolen wages for years. And how much have we offered them? In Queensland you can claim up to $7,000 and in Western Australia a measly $2,000. Yup, a few thousand dollars for a lifetime of forced labour. Aussie Aussie Aussie! Etc. http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/australia-needs-to-own-up-to-its-slave-history-20150427-1muhg3.html yep , thats unfair. and i totally get why aborigines feel they have the right to sit around and complain about it....but it wont help one bit. life is harsh and life is unfair...becoming a victim is a choice and its the wrong choice. the jews could have sat around  aushwitz and bitched and whined for eternity...but they chose not to. the cambodians could have sat around the killing fields and bitched and whined for eternity..but they chose not to. the harshness of life is just a reality. and when you are confronted with harshness, you have a decision to make.

That's right. When confronted with harshness, you do what Mr Trump would do. You seek redress from the courts.

Any Jews left in Auschwitz were liberated by the Russians. The Cambodians were liberated by the Vietnamese. Mr Trump's failing casino business was liberated by the banks. When people are stuck, they seek help from others. When people see others' stuck, they jump in to help. This is what it means to be human, dear.

I told you Aquascoot would understand, Mothra.

How much longer are we going to put up with sh.t from the past being dredged up? The aboriginals get a better deal than anyone in society now. Bloody hell..what I would give for 1% aboriginal blood

They get cut better offers than any other group in Australia. American blacks would cut off their right arm for the benefits aboriginals get from the Government

I don't begrudge them a single thing. But for heaven's sake stop bleating and whining about 'the past'.

The past is exactly that, now get motivated and get on with your lives like the rest of us

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 1:52pm:

rhino wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:46pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 12:57pm: your harping on this stuff does aborigines not one scrap of good. it does not promote them froward in life one iota. please desist Correct, and I will go one step further, this constant negative harping actually helps keep them where they are. Quite wrong, as usual. By drawing attention to the horrendous inequalities of our not too distant past, there is now a Class Action to recoup wages allegedly held in trust. Furthermore, education is never wasted. The only reason to hide the injustices that are the direct result of colonialisation are to preserve white people from feeling guilty and justifying their ignorance based racism. People keep causing Aboriginal people of "not advancing".    Do you not think that factors explaining that lack of advancement ought be considered?

unfortunately the benefits of any litigation will be received by the current generation of abos who already have the mindset of handout money, this will only make it worse as history shows. Aboriginals have been getting increasing amounts of funding for decades now with a negative result, this will only make it worse.

red baron wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

How much longer are we going to put up with sh.t from the past being dredged up? The aboriginals get a better deal than anyone in society now. Bloody hell..what I would give for 1% aboriginal blood They get cut better offers than any other group in Australia. American blacks would cut off their right arm for the benefits aboriginals get from the Government I don't begrudge them a single thing. But for heaven's sake stop bleating and whining about 'the past'. The past is exactly that, now get motivated and get on with your lives like the rest of us

Care to nominate what they get that whitey doesn't, Mr Baron?

....and why would you seek to erase history?  It happened, just like we'd be speaking Japanese now and getting what the Japs decided we ought get if........

red baron wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

How much longer are we going to put up with sh.t from the past being dredged up? The aboriginals get a better deal than anyone in society now.

That's right, Red. The dirty bastards are even allowed to join the Melbourne Club these days.

Thank Christ they can't afford the fees.

I am not going down that road Aussie. You know as well as I do that Aboriginals are at the front of the queue for every benefit there is going in this Country.

Why do you think when you fill all those bloody forms out, you have to answer 'Are you Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander?'

Aussie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 2:43pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:37pm: How much longer are we going to put up with sh.t from the past being dredged up? The aboriginals get a better deal than anyone in society now. Bloody hell..what I would give for 1% aboriginal blood They get cut better offers than any other group in Australia. American blacks would cut off their right arm for the benefits aboriginals get from the Government I don't begrudge them a single thing. But for heaven's sake stop bleating and whining about 'the past'. The past is exactly that, now get motivated and get on with your lives like the rest of us Care to nominate what they get that whitey doesn't, Mr Baron?

Don't you start. You know full well they get endless government reports and white papers and royal commissions, the ungrateful swine.

They cost us a fortune, and it's all because of the do-gooders in Canberra.

I am not against any benefit they get Karnal. I just wish they would get off their arse, say like the Jews did after World War2 and get stuck in and have a crack

I went on a trip in the top end a few years ago. The thing that struck me in most townships was how the aboriginals gathered in the local parks with their wine flagons

So common I thought it must be the new religion...God almighty!!!

red baron wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

I am not going down that road Aussie. You know as well as I do that Aboriginals are at the front of the queue for every benefit there is going in this Country. Why do you think when you fill all those bloody forms out, you have to answer 'Are you Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander?'

Bloody oath. Aussie knows as well as we do that ticking that box gets you a nice little drink.

They can pretend it's for statistical reasons all they like. A mate of mine knew someone who ticked it once and got a new car.

Better than Sale of the Century.

red baron wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 2:52pm:

I am not against any benefit they get Karnal. I just wish they would get off their arse, say like the Jews did after World War2 and get stuck in and have a crack I went on a trip in the top end a few years ago. The thing that struck me in most townships was how the aboriginals gathered in the local parks with their wine flagons So common I thought it must be the new religion...God almighty!!!

Damn right. That's top-shelf plonk too, and it's all paid for by you-know-who.

All they have to do is tick the McWilliams Royal Reserve box on the Centrelink form.

red baron wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 2:52pm:

I am not against any benefit they get Karnal. I just wish they would get off their arse, say like the Jews did after World War2 and get stuck in and have a crack

Many forum members here have said, many times, that they wouldn't rent a house to an Aboriginal person, or give them a job.

Don't you think that makes it very hard for them to 'have a crack'?

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:46pm: I am not going down that road Aussie. You know as well as I do that Aboriginals are at the front of the queue for every benefit there is going in this Country. Why do you think when you fill all those bloody forms out, you have to answer 'Are you Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander?' Bloody oath. Aussie knows as well as we do that ticking that box

Aussie's not the only one here who's ticked an Aboriginals box.
Miam miam!

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 2:56pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:52pm: I am not against any benefit they get Karnal. I just wish they would get off their arse, say like the Jews did after World War2 and get stuck in and have a crack Many forum members here have said, many times, that they wouldn't rent a house to an Aboriginal person, or give them a job. Don't you think that makes it very hard for them to 'have a crack'?

I know lots of progressive lefter than left Greenies who have investment properties and outsource their racism by getting the most hardarse rental agent to manage their investment.

They don't put 'no Abos' in the ad but it may as well considering how high they set the bar for applicants.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 2:56pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:52pm: I am not against any benefit they get Karnal. I just wish they would get off their arse, say like the Jews did after World War2 and get stuck in and have a crack Many forum members here have said, many times, that they wouldn't rent a house to an Aboriginal person, or give them a job.

That's not their fault, Greggery. The many forum members who said that are pensioners who live in public housing.

Sure, if they ticked the employer/landlord box on the Centrelink form, they might be able to hire the odd Boong, but then they'd be stuck with lazy drunks who steal the first bit of cash left lying around.

So hard to get good help these days.

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 2:56pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:53pm: red baron wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:46pm: I am not going down that road Aussie. You know as well as I do that Aboriginals are at the front of the queue for every benefit there is going in this Country. Why do you think when you fill all those bloody forms out, you have to answer 'Are you Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander?' Bloody oath. Aussie knows as well as we do that ticking that box Aussie's not the only one here who's ticked an Aboriginals box. Miam miam!

Is that what you did to her?

You should put your name down for a grant, old son. Tick the box marked Canadian Yid.

red baron wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 2:52pm:

I am not against any benefit they get Karnal.

Hang on, I missed this one.

You know as well as I do Pec that aborigines are among the worst renters you could possibly have. I remember as a Cop going to rentals where they had torn the floorboards up and used them for barbecue fuel

But there are so many 'protections' in place for them that the malicious damage charges  never got off ground zero

There was a sense of 'entitlement' attached to them. Like I can do whatever I f......g well like because hey brudda I'm an aborigine and I got rights'

And they have, a bloody armful of them and they know them chapter and verse, just like their social services lawyers who would be all over you like a bad habit if you had the temerity to charge them

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 3:07pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:56pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:53pm: red baron wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:46pm: I am not going down that road Aussie. You know as well as I do that Aboriginals are at the front of the queue for every benefit there is going in this Country. Why do you think when you fill all those bloody forms out, you have to answer 'Are you Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander?' Bloody oath. Aussie knows as well as we do that ticking that box Aussie's not the only one here who's ticked an Aboriginals box. Miam miam! Is that what you did to her? You should put your name down for a grant, old son. Tick the box marked Canadian Yid.

When are you going to tick that box, Karnal. They say once you go.....

red baron wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 3:11pm:

You know as well as I do Pec that aborigines are among the worst renters you could possibly have. I remember as a Cop going to rentals where they had torn the floorboards up and used them for barbecue fuel But there are so many 'protections' in place for them that the malicious damage charges  never got off ground zero

And that's the other thing, Greggery. They get additional protection under the law.

It's harder to arrest a Boong these days than it's ever been. All they have to do is tick the Boong box down at the station and they're straight out the door without so much as a hiding.

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:07pm: Gordon wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:56pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:53pm: red baron wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:46pm: I am not going down that road Aussie. You know as well as I do that Aboriginals are at the front of the queue for every benefit there is going in this Country. Why do you think when you fill all those bloody forms out, you have to answer 'Are you Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander?' Bloody oath. Aussie knows as well as we do that ticking that box Aussie's not the only one here who's ticked an Aboriginals box. Miam miam! Is that what you did to her? You should put your name down for a grant, old son. Tick the box marked Canadian Yid. When are you going to tick that box, Karnal. They say once you go.....

Gay?

Fair crack, son. I'm having enough problems ticking my own box, never mind someone else's.

a benefit is not a benefit.

i had to hammer this into my daughters.
never take a free meal from a guy?
why?

because you have a perfectly functioning brain and when you start taking the freebies , it just encourages you to coast and it is "lower consciousness".

when you dont take responsibility for yourself, you go down.

dont ask that it was easy, ask that you were better.

when you go the 'easy " route, you eat the bad food cause its easy
you  dont exercise cause its easy to sit
you gamble because its an easy way to try to get money
you drink or take drugs, cause its the easy way to try to get high
you dont read because its easier to durp around.
you poo talk others, you gossip, you fight with your family and friends because its easier to be in lower consciousness then have a positive narrative.

easy = failure.

failure is the default.

getting money from the government is the consolation prize for being a failure, alcohol , drugs, getting to be a victim..these are the consolation prizes for being a failure,

dont take this poisoned chalice.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 3:25pm:

a benefit is not a benefit. i had to hammer this into my daughters. never take a free meal from a guy? why? because you have a perfectly functioning brain and when you start taking the freebies , it just encourages you to coast and it is "lower consciousness".

I try to hammer this into the beggars I meet in India. One woman in Kolkata always rushes up to ask for milk for her baby.

She never understands my take on infant brain development. Too "lower consciousness".

Untouchable, most likely, dear.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 3:25pm:

getting money from the government is the consolation prize for being a failure, alcohol , drugs, getting to be a victim..these are the consolation prizes for being a failure.

Don't tell Red, Herbie, poor Cods and Mr Hammer that, Aquascoot.

Anyway, some of my best friends are victims. We're all friends here, no?

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:25pm: a benefit is not a benefit. i had to hammer this into my daughters. never take a free meal from a guy? why? because you have a perfectly functioning brain and when you start taking the freebies , it just encourages you to coast and it is "lower consciousness". I try to hammer this into the beggars I meet in India. One woman in Kolkata always rushes up to ask for milk for her baby. She never understands my take on infant brain development. Too "lower consciousness". Untouchable, most likely, dear.

Did you tell that to Aussies elephant?

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:25pm: a benefit is not a benefit. i had to hammer this into my daughters. never take a free meal from a guy? why? because you have a perfectly functioning brain and when you start taking the freebies , it just encourages you to coast and it is "lower consciousness". I try to hammer this into the beggars I meet in India. One woman in Kolkata always rushes up to ask for milk for her baby. She never understands my take on infant brain development. Too "lower consciousness". Untouchable, most likely, dear.

Good comparison, an Aboriginal on centrelink income would be considered rich in countries like India.

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 3:43pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:39pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:25pm: a benefit is not a benefit. i had to hammer this into my daughters. never take a free meal from a guy? why? because you have a perfectly functioning brain and when you start taking the freebies , it just encourages you to coast and it is "lower consciousness". I try to hammer this into the beggars I meet in India. One woman in Kolkata always rushes up to ask for milk for her baby. She never understands my take on infant brain development. Too "lower consciousness". Untouchable, most likely, dear. Did you tell that to Aussies elephant?

Of course not. Lakshmi's "higher consciousness".

rhino wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:39pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:25pm: a benefit is not a benefit. i had to hammer this into my daughters. never take a free meal from a guy? why? because you have a perfectly functioning brain and when you start taking the freebies , it just encourages you to coast and it is "lower consciousness". I try to hammer this into the beggars I meet in India. One woman in Kolkata always rushes up to ask for milk for her baby. She never understands my take on infant brain development. Too "lower consciousness". Untouchable, most likely, dear. Good comparison, an Aboriginal on centrelink income would be considered rich in countries like India.

Herbie's on about $600 a week, son. You could live like a raja on that.

You could hire your own rickshaw puller.

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Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:25pm: a benefit is not a benefit. i had to hammer this into my daughters. never take a free meal from a guy? why? because you have a perfectly functioning brain and when you start taking the freebies , it just encourages you to coast and it is "lower consciousness". I try to hammer this into the beggars I meet in India. One woman in Kolkata always rushes up to ask for milk for her baby. She never understands my take on infant brain development. Too "lower consciousness". Untouchable, most likely, dear.

When I was travelling in India, in the last 5 days of my trip I started giving my dirty laundry to the needy.

I know that sounds stingy but in the Indian Himalayas a pair of once used paddy pallin merino socks really made their eyes light up.

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 3:48pm:

rhino wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:46pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:39pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:25pm: a benefit is not a benefit. i had to hammer this into my daughters. never take a free meal from a guy? why? because you have a perfectly functioning brain and when you start taking the freebies , it just encourages you to coast and it is "lower consciousness". I try to hammer this into the beggars I meet in India. One woman in Kolkata always rushes up to ask for milk for her baby. She never understands my take on infant brain development. Too "lower consciousness". Untouchable, most likely, dear. Good comparison, an Aboriginal on centrelink income would be considered rich in countries like India. Herbie's on about $600 a week, son. You could live like a raja on that. You could hire your own rickshaw puller.

Or....

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Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:39pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:25pm: a benefit is not a benefit. i had to hammer this into my daughters. never take a free meal from a guy? why? because you have a perfectly functioning brain and when you start taking the freebies , it just encourages you to coast and it is "lower consciousness". I try to hammer this into the beggars I meet in India. One woman in Kolkata always rushes up to ask for milk for her baby. She never understands my take on infant brain development. Too "lower consciousness". Untouchable, most likely, dear. When I was travelling in India, in the last 5 days of my trip I started giving my dirty laundry to the needy. I know that sounds stingy but in the Indian Himalayas a pair of once used paddy pallin merino socks really made their eyes light up.

Of course. Your "lower consciousness" type loves getting something for nothing. It's the victim mentality at play. A pair of your dirty socks and they're as happy as a pig in mud.

Those lepers and polio victims will never learn.

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 4:04pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:39pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:25pm: a benefit is not a benefit. i had to hammer this into my daughters. never take a free meal from a guy? why? because you have a perfectly functioning brain and when you start taking the freebies , it just encourages you to coast and it is "lower consciousness". I try to hammer this into the beggars I meet in India. One woman in Kolkata always rushes up to ask for milk for her baby. She never understands my take on infant brain development. Too "lower consciousness". Untouchable, most likely, dear. When I was travelling in India, in the last 5 days of my trip I started giving my dirty laundry to the needy. I know that sounds stingy but in the Indian Himalayas a pair of once used paddy pallin merino socks really made their eyes light up. Of course. Your "lower consciousness" type loves getting something for nothing. It's the victim mentality at play. A pair of your dirty socks and they're as happy as a pig in mud. Those lepers and polio victims will never learn.

I gave the first pair to a guy that carried our packs the 5km walk from the road to Chandra Taal...4000m+ elevation. 

His feet looked terrible. How could anyone possibly better themselves with such horrid feet. He got a pair of merino explorers.

youve got that wrong karnal.

the poor Gordon is talking about are already in "gratitude".
gratitude is a high vibration energy.

you must read David R Hawkins levels of consciousness.

victimhood, drug and alcohol addiction , complaining, self pity, crime, violence, anger, fearfulness and depression....these are the lowest forms of consciousness and this is what has been created to a large extent in aboriginal society thanks to the unskilled actions of the egotistical proud do-gooders.
(pride and ego are also lower consciousness).

my findings in asia amongst the poor was that they had gratitude, acceptance, willingness to make the most of anything, enthusiasm...all the higher forms of consciousness.

i have no doubt that if you put canberra in charge of "assisting the people of vietnam or india or nepal " with government moneyand programs , that these peoples would go down in their levels of consciousness, love, peace, happiness etc.

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 4:15pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:04pm: Gordon wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:39pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:25pm: a benefit is not a benefit. i had to hammer this into my daughters. never take a free meal from a guy? why? because you have a perfectly functioning brain and when you start taking the freebies , it just encourages you to coast and it is "lower consciousness". I try to hammer this into the beggars I meet in India. One woman in Kolkata always rushes up to ask for milk for her baby. She never understands my take on infant brain development. Too "lower consciousness". Untouchable, most likely, dear. When I was travelling in India, in the last 5 days of my trip I started giving my dirty laundry to the needy. I know that sounds stingy but in the Indian Himalayas a pair of once used paddy pallin merino socks really made their eyes light up. Of course. Your "lower consciousness" type loves getting something for nothing. It's the victim mentality at play. A pair of your dirty socks and they're as happy as a pig in mud. Those lepers and polio victims will never learn. I gave the first pair to a guy that carried our packs the 5km walk from the road to Chandra Taal...4000m+ elevation.  His feet looked terrible. How could anyone possibly better themselves with such horrid feet. He got a pair of merino explorers.

What a loser.

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 4:44pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:15pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:04pm: Gordon wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:39pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:25pm: a benefit is not a benefit. i had to hammer this into my daughters. never take a free meal from a guy? why? because you have a perfectly functioning brain and when you start taking the freebies , it just encourages you to coast and it is "lower consciousness". I try to hammer this into the beggars I meet in India. One woman in Kolkata always rushes up to ask for milk for her baby. She never understands my take on infant brain development. Too "lower consciousness". Untouchable, most likely, dear. When I was travelling in India, in the last 5 days of my trip I started giving my dirty laundry to the needy. I know that sounds stingy but in the Indian Himalayas a pair of once used paddy pallin merino socks really made their eyes light up. Of course. Your "lower consciousness" type loves getting something for nothing. It's the victim mentality at play. A pair of your dirty socks and they're as happy as a pig in mud. Those lepers and polio victims will never learn. I gave the first pair to a guy that carried our packs the 5km walk from the road to Chandra Taal...4000m+ elevation.  His feet looked terrible. How could anyone possibly better themselves with such horrid feet. He got a pair of merino explorers. What a loser.

I'll be taking some tubes of heel balm to hand out next time, Jesus style

aquascoot wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

youve got that wrong karnal. the poor Gordon is talking about are already in "gratitude". gratitude is a high vibration energy. you must read David R Hawkins levels of consciousness. victimhood, drug and alcohol addiction , complaining, self pity, crime, violence, anger, fearfulness and depression....these are the lowest forms of consciousness and this is what has been created to a large extent in aboriginal society thanks to the unskilled actions of the egotistical proud do-gooders. (pride and ego are also lower consciousness). my findings in asia amongst the poor was that they had gratitude, acceptance, willingness to make the most of anything, enthusiasm...all the higher forms of consciousness. i have no doubt that if you put canberra in charge of "assisting the people of vietnam or india or nepal " with government moneyand programs , that these peoples would go down in their levels of consciousness, love, peace, happiness etc.

Yeah, that must be why they've got so many inventions The poor Asian bastards can't even invent a $7 pair of socks - almost as bad as your Boong.

What's that mean again, Rhino? "Brother"?

My fat arse it does.

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:29pm: youve got that wrong karnal. the poor Gordon is talking about are already in "gratitude". gratitude is a high vibration energy. you must read David R Hawkins levels of consciousness. victimhood, drug and alcohol addiction , complaining, self pity, crime, violence, anger, fearfulness and depression....these are the lowest forms of consciousness and this is what has been created to a large extent in aboriginal society thanks to the unskilled actions of the egotistical proud do-gooders. (pride and ego are also lower consciousness). my findings in asia amongst the poor was that they had gratitude, acceptance, willingness to make the most of anything, enthusiasm...all the higher forms of consciousness. i have no doubt that if you put canberra in charge of "assisting the people of vietnam or india or nepal " with government moneyand programs , that these peoples would go down in their levels of consciousness, love, peace, happiness etc. Yeah, that must be why they've got so many inventions The poor Asian bastards can't even invent a $7 pair of socks - almost as bad as your Boong. What's that mean again, Rhino? "Brother"? My fat arse it does.

I told you before.  Boong is an onomatopoeia.

my daughters experience in India..was the child beggars didnt want food they wanted money....

one of her group of ladies gave a little girl a packet of biscuits and she threw them back at her......

they made it obvious they were only interested in money.

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:44pm: Gordon wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:15pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:04pm: Gordon wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:39pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:25pm: a benefit is not a benefit. i had to hammer this into my daughters. never take a free meal from a guy? why? because you have a perfectly functioning brain and when you start taking the freebies , it just encourages you to coast and it is "lower consciousness". I try to hammer this into the beggars I meet in India. One woman in Kolkata always rushes up to ask for milk for her baby. She never understands my take on infant brain development. Too "lower consciousness". Untouchable, most likely, dear. When I was travelling in India, in the last 5 days of my trip I started giving my dirty laundry to the needy. I know that sounds stingy but in the Indian Himalayas a pair of once used paddy pallin merino socks really made their eyes light up. Of course. Your "lower consciousness" type loves getting something for nothing. It's the victim mentality at play. A pair of your dirty socks and they're as happy as a pig in mud. Those lepers and polio victims will never learn. I gave the first pair to a guy that carried our packs the 5km walk from the road to Chandra Taal...4000m+ elevation.  His feet looked terrible. How could anyone possibly better themselves with such horrid feet. He got a pair of merino explorers. What a loser. I'll be taking some tubes of heel balm to hand out next time, Jesus style

You're not supposed to feed them, Gordon.

It attracts vermin.

cods wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

my daughters experience in India..was the child beggars didnt want food they wanted money.... one of her group of ladies gave a little girl a packet of biscuits and she threw them back at her...... they made it obvious they were only interested in money.

Greedy little bastards. Your group of ladies should have thrown their Bibles at them.

rhino wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:52pm: rhino wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:46pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 12:57pm: your harping on this stuff does aborigines not one scrap of good. it does not promote them froward in life one iota. please desist Correct, and I will go one step further, this constant negative harping actually helps keep them where they are. Quite wrong, as usual. By drawing attention to the horrendous inequalities of our not too distant past, there is now a Class Action to recoup wages allegedly held in trust. Furthermore, education is never wasted. The only reason to hide the injustices that are the direct result of colonialisation are to preserve white people from feeling guilty and justifying their ignorance based racism. People keep causing Aboriginal people of "not advancing".    Do you not think that factors explaining that lack of advancement ought be considered? unfortunately the benefits of any litigation will be received by the current generation of abos who already have the mindset of handout money, this will only make it worse as history shows. Aboriginals have been getting increasing amounts of funding for decades now with a negative result, this will only make it worse.

Some obvious flaws with that attempt at a counter-argument.

Who do you think should get the money, Rhino?

You know that hundreds of people whose wages were "held in trust" are still alive?

And you know, of course that nearly 60% of Aboriginal people are in employment?

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 4:54pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:52pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:29pm: youve got that wrong karnal. the poor Gordon is talking about are already in "gratitude". gratitude is a high vibration energy. you must read David R Hawkins levels of consciousness. victimhood, drug and alcohol addiction , complaining, self pity, crime, violence, anger, fearfulness and depression....these are the lowest forms of consciousness and this is what has been created to a large extent in aboriginal society thanks to the unskilled actions of the egotistical proud do-gooders. (pride and ego are also lower consciousness). my findings in asia amongst the poor was that they had gratitude, acceptance, willingness to make the most of anything, enthusiasm...all the higher forms of consciousness. i have no doubt that if you put canberra in charge of "assisting the people of vietnam or india or nepal " with government moneyand programs , that these peoples would go down in their levels of consciousness, love, peace, happiness etc. Yeah, that must be why they've got so many inventions The poor Asian bastards can't even invent a $7 pair of socks - almost as bad as your Boong. What's that mean again, Rhino? "Brother"? My fat arse it does. I told you before.  Boong is an onomatopoeia.

The sound they make as they bounce off your bull bar?  An old joke - not mine....

It is also a piss weak joke.  Boing.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 3:25pm:

a benefit is not a benefit. i had to hammer this into my daughters. never take a free meal from a guy?

Aquascoot's first homosexual experience?

Q: How do you stop an Abo from drowning?
A: Take your foot off his head.

Q: What do you do if you see an Abo drowning?
A: Throw him his wife and kids.

Q: What do you call it when a bus-load of Abos runs off the end of Darwin pier, and they all drown?
A: A good start.

Q: Why do Abos smell so awful?
A: So blind people can hate them too.

Q: How do you kill an Abo?
A: While he's having a drink, slam the toilet lid down on his head.

Q: Why do Abos always hang around in groups?
A: So that they can form a dope ring.

Q: Why are Abos called "Boongs"?
A: Because that's the sound they make as they bounce off your truck's bull-bar.

http://www.oocities.org/chooks_house/jokestxt/abojokes.html

Jayzuz, Nappy.  We all know the joke, and it is piss weak.  The noise would be 'boing,' but that does not suit the author.

That is a good link, because it shows cods why retards think Aboriginals are just dirty boongs to be run over, terrorised, shot at, and have their heads kicked in.

Neferti brings out her racist hate again.

Neferti wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Q: How do you stop an Abo from drowning? A: Take your foot off his head. Q: What do you do if you see an Abo drowning? A: Throw him his wife and kids. Q: What do you call it when a bus-load of Abos runs off the end of Darwin pier, and they all drown? A: A good start. Q: Why do Abos smell so awful? A: So blind people can hate them too. Q: How do you kill an Abo? A: While he's having a drink, slam the toilet lid down on his head. Q: Why do Abos always hang around in groups? A: So that they can form a dope ring. Q: Why are Abos called "Boongs"? A: Because that's the sound they make as they bounce off your truck's bull-bar. http://www.oocities.org/chooks_house/jokestxt/abojokes.html

Should have made it multiple choice, son.

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:

Neferti brings out her racist hate again.

Sorry, Neferti, love.

Aussie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Jayzuz, Nappy.  We all know the joke, and it is piss weak.  The noise would be 'boing,' but that does not suit the author.

Don't be so PC. Cods is free to use whatever word she likes.

I've got a two-fer

Q.An Aboriginal and Leb is in a car... Who is driving??




A. The cop

cods wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

my daughters experience in India..was the child beggars didnt want food they wanted money.... one of her group of ladies gave a little girl a packet of biscuits and she threw them back at her...... they made it obvious they were only interested in money.

kamahl has her own experience, completely different to everyone else. As if she makes it up.

rhino wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

cods wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:56pm: my daughters experience in India..was the child beggars didnt want food they wanted money.... one of her group of ladies gave a little girl a packet of biscuits and she threw them back at her...... they made it obvious they were only interested in money. kamahl has her own experience, completely different to everyone else. As if she makes it up.

Ask her about the flat tyre

rhino wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

cods wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:56pm: my daughters experience in India..was the child beggars didnt want food they wanted money.... one of her group of ladies gave a little girl a packet of biscuits and she threw them back at her...... they made it obvious they were only interested in money. kamahl has her own experience, completely different to everyone else. As if she makes it up.

I know. As if Kamahl didn't live there for a couple of years.

We all make it up, Rhino. Gandhiji and Nehru made up a country.

Try Aquascoot's affirmation, dear. Every day, in every way, things keep getting better and better.

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Biggest piece of Mothball BS yet posted. The only descendants of actual slave type people in Australia are Kanak people/Kanakas of New Caledonia and other Pacific Islands. What was done via wages withheld for Aboriginal workers or stockmen was done so they would have some money top last/bank beyond payday. Aboriginal culture is to share everything including money with extended family. What happened allowed them to be living in their own houses (despite how they are looked after) and still getting the pension which they call getting their pay. Who the smack pays for that Mothballs? Honestly you urban mega trendy galloptics wouldn't have a bloody clue. Your forte is disseminating PC BS. Do you never tire of being proven wrong? Queensland class action over unpaid wages for Indigenous people 'setting a national precedent' Lawyers say a class action in Queensland over unpaid wages to Aboriginal people is setting a national precedent, as dozens more come forward in other states to say they were not paid properly. Key points: Qld class action involves 300 Aboriginal people who say they were not paid for years of labour Government paid people 'miniscule amount' in return for waiving legal rights in 2002 Litigation proceedings will be speedy due to the advanced age of the claimants More than 300 people are suing the Queensland Government in the Federal Court, which held money in a trust that should have been paid to them as labourers or domestic workers more than half a century ago. Rebecca Jancauskas, from Shine lawyers, said the class actions first directions hearing this week had revealed that the litigation proceedings would be speedy because of the advanced age of the claimants. "It was clear that these claims are being taken seriously by federal court bench," she said. "And proceedings have set the tone for litigation in other states where protectionist legislation was in place and wages were withheld from Indigenous people. "So what we're doing at Shine is investigating bringing proceedings in other states — including the Northern Territory, Western Australia and NSW." 'We were sometimes paid three pounds' Violet Perry was 15 years old when she and dozens of other girls were taken from a mission in central New South Wales to become domestic workers in Sydney. "The welfare board walked in one day and she said to my mother: 'I've got a job for your daughter'," she said. "My mother nearly screamed the house down, I was crying and I didn't know what to say or do." Ms Perry worked in homes in Sydney's eastern suburbs for years in the early 1960s. She said she was "sometimes" paid three pounds a week, but said there were times where she and the other workers would not get paid at all. "Because we had a room down the back we never asked questions, because they might have done something to us," she said. Ms Perry, now 71 years old, is one of the dozens of people around Australia who have come forward wanting to be part of the class action. 2002 claimants received a 'fraction of what they were owed' The Queensland Government did set up a reparations scheme in 2002, but Ms Jancauskas said claimants only received between $2,000 and $7,000 for decades of work as labourers, stockmen or domestic servants. "The amount they received through the reparations scheme was but a fraction of the money that the Government is holding in trust for them," Ms Jancauskas said. "Had people received their entitlements through reparations schemes, then there would be no need for litigation to be pursued." Those who took part in the scheme had to sign a deed of release, stopping them from taking further action. But Ms Jancauskas said that would not stop them from participating in the litigation. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-23/queensland-class-action-over-unpaid-wages-for-indigenous-people/7871078

Yep the same PC BS as the Stolen Generation.

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

rhino wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 7:26pm: cods wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:56pm: my daughters experience in India..was the child beggars didnt want food they wanted money.... one of her group of ladies gave a little girl a packet of biscuits and she threw them back at her...... they made it obvious they were only interested in money. kamahl has her own experience, completely different to everyone else. As if she makes it up. I know. As if Kamahl didn't live there for a couple of years.

Of course. You do as I said have your own unique experience, completley different to everyone else. even rickshaws where nobody else sees them. Miam miam

An Abo finds an old brass bottle in his back yard, gives it a rub, and a genie appears. The genie tells him he can have three wishes.
"I wanna be rich" says the Abo.
"BANG": the back yard fills up with huge chests overflowing with gold coins and jewels.
"I'm no fool" says the Abo, "I wanna be White".
"BANG": he's changed, suddenly he's White, blond-haired and blue-eyed.
"Thirdly, I never want to work another day in my life".
"BANG": he's black again.

********************************

A Jew, an Irishman, and a Abo all died on the same day and went to heaven, where they were greeted by Saint Peter. "Good to see you guys, said Saint Peter. "One quick quiz and I'll be able to formally admit you to heaven."
"Just a sec," said the Jew. "Being a Jew, I've had it rough all my life and I'd like to know if I can expect any religious persecution in heaven."
"Certainly not," said Saint Peter. "Spell God."
The Jew does this correctly, and is let in.
"Well, now," says the Irishman, "being Irish, I've been treated terribly, and I'd like to make sure I'm not going to encounter any more of that sort of stuff."
"No way," said Saint Peter. "Spell Jesus."
The Irishman does this correctly, and is let in.
"Saint Peter," said the Abo, "as you can see, I'm black, and I've had to endure a lot of discrimination in my life. Can I expect any more of that in heaven?"
"Of course not," said Saint Peter. "Spell chrysanthemum."

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A Jew, a Hindu, and an Abo were travelling together, and as night fell they came to a little country inn. The innkeeper explained apologetically that only two beds were available in the inn but that he would be glad to make up a comfortable cot for the third man in the barn. So the three travellers drew straws, and it fell upon the Jew to sleep in the barn. Just a few minutes later there was a knock on the door, to which the innkeeper responded. "I'm so sorry," explained the Jew, "but there is a pig in the barn, and my
religion forbids me to sleep under the same roof as a pig."
The Hindu had taken the next shortest straw, and so out he went. In a few minutes, though, there was another knock, and the innkeeper opened the door on the Indian fellow. Apologising, the Hindu explained that his religious persuasion forbade him to share shelter with a cow, and there was indeed such a creature in the barn. Finally, out went the Abo to sleep in the barn. A few minutes later, there was yet
another knock on the door, which the innkeeper answered. And there on the doorstep stood the pig and the cow.

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A man was bumping over an excuse for a road in his four-wheel-drive, way out past the Black Stump, when he saw an Abo carrying two sheets of corrugated iron and a carton of stubbies.
He stopped to give him a lift, and the Abo chucked the two sheets of corrugated iron and the carton of stubbies in the back of the ute and hopped in beside the driver.
"What the hell are you doing, wandering around the outback with two sheets of corrugated iron and a carton of stubbies?" the driver asked.
"The wife kicked me out," the Abo explained. "We had a court case. She got the kids, and I got the house and contents."

***********************************************

Come On! You, as a REAL Australian, just at least giggle at our humour.  I am sure that the so-called Abos, do.

Valkie wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 2:05pm:

No point arguing with those who do not see. I stated facts from personal experience, from Aboriginal friends who used these things. Unless this has changed in the last 10 years, which I doubt, these statements are true. I worked for an organisation that repaired and upgraded public housing, I know exactly what the Aboriginal tenants got and exactly what Non-Aboriginal tenants got, so I know for fact. Oh there are all sorts of hidden agendas, hidden benefits and denial statements that they get more than other Australian, but this is just a lie. I have seen these things with mine own eyes, I cannot deny the truth. Again, unless there has been a massive change in the last 10 years, there is the same hidden agenda as there always has been. Do you deny that the Grubberment has spent billions attempting to "Equalize" Aboriginal health with that of other Australians? This positive discrimination is only he tip of the iceberg. You can deny, lie, twist facts or claim all manner of stats, but I know the truth.

Oh personal experience, things you've seen with your own eyes. What is it they say? Eye witness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence.

You claim to have seen all these things, even go so far as to say the government is covering it up (because a blackfulla getting more money is a state secret)

You sound like a conspiracy nut. Did you know that aboriginal people also get free cars, don't pay rent and get free business class domestic flights?

Sorry Valkie but you have zero knowledge in what aboriginal people are entitled to (hint they get the same as everyone else) your inability to back up your ludicrous claims shows this.

"Personal experience" doesn't fly.

11.  It didn't only apply to Blacks - countless early settlers were paid in food and lodging and essentially had no wages from their 'masters'..... such usury is past, and nobody can exploit people that way now (unless they are using 457s - I gi'e you fi' dullah one hour, free food!).....

There are some in this nation who would love to see a return to the good old company store and payment for work in a few handouts.... and absolute control over 'their' serfs....

I say hang ten a week until the rest get the message....

Raven wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 2:43am:

Valkie wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 2:05pm: No point arguing with those who do not see. I stated facts from personal experience, from Aboriginal friends who used these things. Unless this has changed in the last 10 years, which I doubt, these statements are true. I worked for an organisation that repaired and upgraded public housing, I know exactly what the Aboriginal tenants got and exactly what Non-Aboriginal tenants got, so I know for fact. Oh there are all sorts of hidden agendas, hidden benefits and denial statements that they get more than other Australian, but this is just a lie. I have seen these things with mine own eyes, I cannot deny the truth. Again, unless there has been a massive change in the last 10 years, there is the same hidden agenda as there always has been. Do you deny that the Grubberment has spent billions attempting to "Equalize" Aboriginal health with that of other Australians? This positive discrimination is only he tip of the iceberg. You can deny, lie, twist facts or claim all manner of stats, but I know the truth. Oh personal experience, things you've seen with your own eyes. What is it they say? Eye witness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. You claim to have seen all these things, even go so far as to say the government is covering it up (because a blackfulla getting more money is a state secret) You sound like a conspiracy nut. Did you know that aboriginal people also get free cars, don't pay rent and get free business class domestic flights? Sorry Valkie but you have zero knowledge in what aboriginal people are entitled to (hint they get the same as everyone else) your inability to back up your ludicrous claims shows this. "Personal experience" doesn't fly.

Yes I know about the free flights, so they can visit relatives and go back to their land.
Don't know about the free cars, Ill have to check up on that.
WE pay their rent, rental assistance, I already know about as I also know they are paid to go to school.

Its easy to ignore this.

All Im asking is for total and absolute equality.
No special favors.
Why does that get up peoples noses?
Is ity because they might miss out??

Valkie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:15am:

Raven wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 2:43am: Valkie wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 2:05pm: No point arguing with those who do not see. I stated facts from personal experience, from Aboriginal friends who used these things. Unless this has changed in the last 10 years, which I doubt, these statements are true. I worked for an organisation that repaired and upgraded public housing, I know exactly what the Aboriginal tenants got and exactly what Non-Aboriginal tenants got, so I know for fact. Oh there are all sorts of hidden agendas, hidden benefits and denial statements that they get more than other Australian, but this is just a lie. I have seen these things with mine own eyes, I cannot deny the truth. Again, unless there has been a massive change in the last 10 years, there is the same hidden agenda as there always has been. Do you deny that the Grubberment has spent billions attempting to "Equalize" Aboriginal health with that of other Australians? This positive discrimination is only he tip of the iceberg. You can deny, lie, twist facts or claim all manner of stats, but I know the truth. Oh personal experience, things you've seen with your own eyes. What is it they say? Eye witness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. You claim to have seen all these things, even go so far as to say the government is covering it up (because a blackfulla getting more money is a state secret) You sound like a conspiracy nut. Did you know that aboriginal people also get free cars, don't pay rent and get free business class domestic flights? Sorry Valkie but you have zero knowledge in what aboriginal people are entitled to (hint they get the same as everyone else) your inability to back up your ludicrous claims shows this. "Personal experience" doesn't fly. Yes I know about the free flights, so they can visit relatives and go back to their land.

Oh, I see. So you'd know who pays for those flights, right? You'd know whether it's the government or NGOs. Right, Matty?

Valkie wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 3:08pm:

Oh I don't know, How about Special Aboriginal medical facilities. they allow for cultural issues for which mainstream doctors are unprepared for, and there is nothing stopping you from using those services More welfare bullsh1t Free education. applies to everyone Government housing with extras, faster than any white Australian. there are no extras, although there is a dedicated aboriginal housing. Would you rent to an abo? they deal with those sorts of issues. Special loans so special they're imaginary Cultural gimmies such as? Free land, which they then sell off and waste the money. you mean the land that was originally theirs? usually out in the desert or sub desert where no one else wants to live Aboriginal only employment (Its culturally significant requirement....bullshite) you'd probably whinge if you had to work with abo's anyway. And race, nationality or gender specific employment isn't limited to abo's Shall I go on and on????? please do Lets just make everything EXACTLY the same for EVERY Australian. Do you have a problem with that?????? You are racist.

Valkie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:15am:

Raven wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 2:43am: Valkie wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 2:05pm: No point arguing with those who do not see. I stated facts from personal experience, from Aboriginal friends who used these things. Unless this has changed in the last 10 years, which I doubt, these statements are true. I worked for an organisation that repaired and upgraded public housing, I know exactly what the Aboriginal tenants got and exactly what Non-Aboriginal tenants got, so I know for fact. Oh there are all sorts of hidden agendas, hidden benefits and denial statements that they get more than other Australian, but this is just a lie. I have seen these things with mine own eyes, I cannot deny the truth. Again, unless there has been a massive change in the last 10 years, there is the same hidden agenda as there always has been. Do you deny that the Grubberment has spent billions attempting to "Equalize" Aboriginal health with that of other Australians? This positive discrimination is only he tip of the iceberg. You can deny, lie, twist facts or claim all manner of stats, but I know the truth. Oh personal experience, things you've seen with your own eyes. What is it they say? Eye witness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. You claim to have seen all these things, even go so far as to say the government is covering it up (because a blackfulla getting more money is a state secret) You sound like a conspiracy nut. Did you know that aboriginal people also get free cars, don't pay rent and get free business class domestic flights? Sorry Valkie but you have zero knowledge in what aboriginal people are entitled to (hint they get the same as everyone else) your inability to back up your ludicrous claims shows this. "Personal experience" doesn't fly. Yes I know about the free flights, so they can visit relatives and go back to their land. Don't know about the free cars, Ill have to check up on that. WE pay their rent, rental assistance, I already know about as I also know they are paid to go to school. Its easy to ignore this. All Im asking is for total and absolute equality. No special favors. Why does that get up peoples noses? Is ity because they might miss out??

Don't recognise sarcasm, do you Valkie?

Perhaps, because you refuse all evidence contrary to your prejudice, you would like to present us with some proof o this "positive discrimination"?


I'll let you off easy. Qualify one single claim you've made.

sorry to bring this up....[i think]but Mr smith used thee term  ABO'S..

where are the screams about racism   and hurt feelings??



just wondering.... :(

also wondering Mr Smith  how many places do you rent out to aborigines??>....

are they good tenants ??   isnt it illegal to discriminate against anyone when renting properties...?

cods wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 9:10am:

sorry to bring this up....[i think]but Mr smith used thee term  ABO'S.. where are the screams about racism   and hurt feelings?? just wondering.... :(

Does he say hey all drink? Like you do?

cods wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 9:12am:

also wondering Mr Smith  how many places do you rent out to aborigines??>.... are they good tenants ??   isnt it illegal to discriminate against anyone when renting properties...?

actually, in the time I've been doing it, I've never had one apply that I am aware off.

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:20am:

Valkie wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 8:15am: Raven wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 2:43am: Valkie wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 2:05pm: No point arguing with those who do not see. I stated facts from personal experience, from Aboriginal friends who used these things. Unless this has changed in the last 10 years, which I doubt, these statements are true. I worked for an organisation that repaired and upgraded public housing, I know exactly what the Aboriginal tenants got and exactly what Non-Aboriginal tenants got, so I know for fact. Oh there are all sorts of hidden agendas, hidden benefits and denial statements that they get more than other Australian, but this is just a lie. I have seen these things with mine own eyes, I cannot deny the truth. Again, unless there has been a massive change in the last 10 years, there is the same hidden agenda as there always has been. Do you deny that the Grubberment has spent billions attempting to "Equalize" Aboriginal health with that of other Australians? This positive discrimination is only he tip of the iceberg. You can deny, lie, twist facts or claim all manner of stats, but I know the truth. Oh personal experience, things you've seen with your own eyes. What is it they say? Eye witness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. You claim to have seen all these things, even go so far as to say the government is covering it up (because a blackfulla getting more money is a state secret) You sound like a conspiracy nut. Did you know that aboriginal people also get free cars, don't pay rent and get free business class domestic flights? Sorry Valkie but you have zero knowledge in what aboriginal people are entitled to (hint they get the same as everyone else) your inability to back up your ludicrous claims shows this. "Personal experience" doesn't fly. Yes I know about the free flights, so they can visit relatives and go back to their land. Oh, I see. So you'd know who pays for those flights, right? You'd know whether it's the government or NGOs. Right, Matty?

So it's all right if the money doesn't come direct from Uncle Guv but uses a cut-out first?

OK....................

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 10:38am:

So it's all right if the money doesn't come direct from Uncle Guv but uses a cut-out first?

so charities shouldn't be allowed to help people because the person they're helping can't be entitled to something free when everyone else has to pay for it?

Valkie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:15am:

Raven wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 2:43am: Valkie wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 2:05pm: No point arguing with those who do not see. I stated facts from personal experience, from Aboriginal friends who used these things. Unless this has changed in the last 10 years, which I doubt, these statements are true. I worked for an organisation that repaired and upgraded public housing, I know exactly what the Aboriginal tenants got and exactly what Non-Aboriginal tenants got, so I know for fact. Oh there are all sorts of hidden agendas, hidden benefits and denial statements that they get more than other Australian, but this is just a lie. I have seen these things with mine own eyes, I cannot deny the truth. Again, unless there has been a massive change in the last 10 years, there is the same hidden agenda as there always has been. Do you deny that the Grubberment has spent billions attempting to "Equalize" Aboriginal health with that of other Australians? This positive discrimination is only he tip of the iceberg. You can deny, lie, twist facts or claim all manner of stats, but I know the truth. Oh personal experience, things you've seen with your own eyes. What is it they say? Eye witness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. You claim to have seen all these things, even go so far as to say the government is covering it up (because a blackfulla getting more money is a state secret) You sound like a conspiracy nut. Did you know that aboriginal people also get free cars, don't pay rent and get free business class domestic flights? Sorry Valkie but you have zero knowledge in what aboriginal people are entitled to (hint they get the same as everyone else) your inability to back up your ludicrous claims shows this. "Personal experience" doesn't fly. Yes I know about the free flights, so they can visit relatives and go back to their land. Nope, but Raven is sure you can provide proof Don't know about the free cars, Ill have to check up on that. Good luck WE pay their rent, rental assistance, I already know about as I also know they are paid to go to school. Again no. Keep try though, you are sure to stumble across the evidence to back up your claims