Any building experts online here at Ozpolitic?


I want to buy a house & it has a problem.
See the picture.
There is no mortar left in some of the bricks
& it is quite bad in the area shown.

How can mortar wash away?
The house was built in the late 80s &
maybe not enough cement was used in the mortar?

( My place now has such hard mortar that it turns a masonry bit red hot if you try to drill it.)

Is this problem in the photo serious?
It's all around the house but the worst spot is in the photo.
What is holding the building up?
Would it fall down if there was an earthquake?

What would it cost to fix it?

cheers
sir Bobby

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Doesn't anyone know?

I am not a building expert.
If it is not a load bearing wall, not as big a problem.

A building inspection by a qualified person might help.

Certainly it is a bargaining area.

I knew a couple who bought a house where very large cracks had been plastered & painted over by the seller.

3 months later a whole wall collapsed & the the place was condemned by the local council
& had to be bulldozed down.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 10:59pm:

I am not a building expert. If it is not a load bearing wall, not as big a problem. A building inspection by a qualified person might help. Certainly it is a bargaining area.

I could get an Archicentre report but it seems that it's so bleeding obvious
that it's serious - I'd be wasting my money on the report.

Yes - it's a bargaining chip.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 10:59pm:

I am not a building expert. If it is not a load bearing wall, not as big a problem. A building inspection by a qualified person might help. Certainly it is a bargaining area.

This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report but of course this would cause the whole housing market to collapse overnight because there are so many dumps that need major work.

The most expensive purchase you make in a lifetime and safety issues fly right out the door in favour of turning over a quick buck :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:05pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 10:59pm: I am not a building expert. If it is not a load bearing wall, not as big a problem. A building inspection by a qualified person might help. Certainly it is a bargaining area. This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report but of course this would cause the whole housing market to collapse overnight because there are so many dumps that need major work. The most expensive purchase you make in a lifetime and safety issues fly right out the door in favour of turning over a quick buck :(

That's right sir Nail.
You need a road worthy certificate to sell a car but nothing to sell a house.


Here's a picture from another place.
the wood is rotten under the shower.
the question is how bad is it?
It could be just one board but it might be the whole floor!

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Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 10:59pm: I am not a building expert. If it is not a load bearing wall, not as big a problem. A building inspection by a qualified person might help. Certainly it is a bargaining area. This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report but of course this would cause the whole housing market to collapse overnight because there are so many dumps that need major work. The most expensive purchase you make in a lifetime and safety issues fly right out the door in favour of turning over a quick buck :( That's right sir Nail. You need a road worthy certificate to sell a car but nothing to sell a house. Here's a picture from another place. the wood is rotten under the shower. the question is how bad is it? It could be just one board but it might be the whole floor!

I reckon if you bought that for the stupid prices they are asking now a few hours later you would have buyers remorse and you'd need a large dose of Valium just to get to sleep :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:05pm:

This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report

why? bobby is aware of the problem and still looking at buying it. When is your brain going to connect with reality?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 10:59pm: I am not a building expert. If it is not a load bearing wall, not as big a problem. A building inspection by a qualified person might help. Certainly it is a bargaining area. I could get an Archicentre report but it seems that it's so bleeding obvious that it's serious - I'd be wasting my money on the report. Yes - it's a bargaining chip.

I think a carpenter from a local paper would be a good first step.
His comments won't be binding.
At this stage, you want someone qualified onsite to say if the damage is structural or not.

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:20pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm: This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report why? bobby is aware of the problem and still looking at buying it. When is your brain going to connect with reality?

Dear John,
It depends how serious the problem is.
The rotting wood in that bathroom - I could fix it myself but
the house with the mortar out of the bricks - that's another story.
How serious is it Einstein?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 10:30pm:

Any building experts online here at Ozpolitic? I want to buy a house & it has a problem. See the picture. There is no mortar left in some of the bricks & it is quite bad in the area shown. How can mortar wash away? The house was built in the late 80s & maybe not enough cement was used in the mortar? ( My place now has such hard mortar that it turns a masonry bit red hot if you try to drill it.) Is this problem in the photo serious? It's all around the house but the worst spot is in the photo. What is holding the building up? Would it fall down if there was an earthquake? What would it cost to fix it? cheers sir Bobby

Hi Bobby

I'm not expert, but I have seen this before. As far as I'm aware, there are two possible causes. One is not enough cement used when mixing the mortar. The other is a missing damp coursing. Moisture rising causes the mortar to wash out.

It's not hard to fix, but it is tedious. You have to scrape out the mortar a few bricks at a time, take out the bricks and then relay them with new mortar (install damp coursing on the bottom as you go). Be careful not to take out to many bricks at a time or you'll cause the wall above to collapse. For safety sake, I'd do no more than 3 bricks at a time.

It's fairly easy to do yourself. Otherwise hire someone to do it for you.

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:20pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm: This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report why? bobby is aware of the problem and still looking at buying it. When is your brain going to connect with reality?

It's potentially dangerous and not fit to live in. If the wall collapses on someone then of course the real estate scumbag who sold it is indemnified and gets to keep his ill gotten gains :(

As for the shower, assume it's all rotten.


Work out what it will cost you to repair all this stuff then get the seller to knock that of the price.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:20pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm: This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report why? bobby is aware of the problem and still looking at buying it. When is your brain going to connect with reality? It's potentially dangerous and not fit to live in. If the wall collapses on someone then of course the real estate scumbag is indemnified and gets to keep his ill gotten gains :(

you're potentially dangerous.

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 10:30pm: Any building experts online here at Ozpolitic? I want to buy a house & it has a problem. See the picture. There is no mortar left in some of the bricks & it is quite bad in the area shown. How can mortar wash away? The house was built in the late 80s & maybe not enough cement was used in the mortar? ( My place now has such hard mortar that it turns a masonry bit red hot if you try to drill it.) Is this problem in the photo serious? It's all around the house but the worst spot is in the photo. What is holding the building up? Would it fall down if there was an earthquake? What would it cost to fix it? cheers sir Bobby Hi Bobby I'm not expert, but I have seen this before. As far as I'm aware, there are two possible causes. One is not enough cement used when mixing the mortar. The other is a missing damp coursing. Moisture rising causes the mortar to wash out. It's not hard to fix, but it is tedious. You have to scrape out the mortar a few bricks at a time, take out the bricks and then relay them with new mortar (install damp coursing on the bottom as you go). Be careful not to take out to many bricks at a time or you'll cause the wall above to collapse. For safety sake, I'd do no more than 3 bricks at a time. It's fairly easy to do yourself. Otherwise hire someone to do it for you.

OK thanks -
so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out?
Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand.
It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall.

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:27pm:

Work out what it will cost you to repair all this stuff then get the seller to knock that of the price.

idiotic advice. why not just buy a house that doesnt need repairing.

ian wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:27pm: Work out what it will cost you to repair all this stuff then get the seller to knock that of the price. idiotic advice. why not just buy a house that doesnt need repairing.

that takes the fun out of it.

It all depends on the price, no?  :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:27pm:

As for the shower, assume it's all rotten. Work out what it will cost you to repair all this stuff then get the seller to knock that of the price.

Yes - these things can be used as bargaining chips.
the seller of that place with a bad shower wouldn't admit
there was a serious problem -
he said it was easy to fix - just a few rotten boards &
the rest of it was OK. - he couldn't be bothered tearing the tiles up to do it.
Of course - he would downplay it!

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:28pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:26pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:20pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm: This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report why? bobby is aware of the problem and still looking at buying it. When is your brain going to connect with reality? It's potentially dangerous and not fit to live in. If the wall collapses on someone then of course the real estate scumbag is indemnified and gets to keep his ill gotten gains :( you're potentially dangerous.

Hey smithy isn't it funny how a real estate agent does not need to have a financial advisors license ? funny about that considering they are offering financial advice on million dollar assets compared with someone with a financial advisors license who offers advice on 5K parcel of shares :(.

ian wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:27pm: Work out what it will cost you to repair all this stuff then get the seller to knock that of the price. idiotic advice. why not just buy a house that doesnt need repairing.

Because you'll pay a lot more.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:29pm:

OK thanks - so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out? Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand. It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall.

if you're worried, crawl underneath and build a temporary pier. If it hasn't collapsed yet, I don't see why it would suddenly. As long as you only do a few bricks at a time.

Having said that, I haven't got the full picture. if you're not sure, get a building report.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:33pm:

ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:30pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:27pm: Work out what it will cost you to repair all this stuff then get the seller to knock that of the price. idiotic advice. why not just buy a house that doesnt need repairing. Because you'll pay a lot more.

Come of it Bobby, Ian and common sense are miles apart

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:28pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:26pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:20pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm: This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report why? bobby is aware of the problem and still looking at buying it. When is your brain going to connect with reality? It's potentially dangerous and not fit to live in. If the wall collapses on someone then of course the real estate scumbag is indemnified and gets to keep his ill gotten gains :( you're potentially dangerous. Hey smithy isn't funny how a real estate agent does not need to have a financial advisors license ? funny about that considering they are offering financial advice on million dollar assets compared with someone with a financial advisors license who offers advice on 5K parcel of shares :(.

why would an agent need financial advisors license? They sell houses, not give finance advice.

Bobby, your issue with the bricks is incorrectly mixed mortar, just because this is the part of the brickwork you can see mortar missing does not mean there are not problems with the rest of the brickwork. Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. Also, the fact that there are 2 apparent serious repair issues with this house means that there are probably a whole host of serious issues you cant see. Stay away. Do not buy this house unless you pay land value only with a discount for the price of demolishing this place.

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: OK thanks - so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out? Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand. It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall. if you're worried, crawl underneath and build a temporary pier. If it hasn't collapsed yet, I don't see why it would suddenly. As long as you only do a few bricks at a time. Having said that, I haven't got the full picture. if you're not sure, get a building report.

I am almost sure that if I showed the bank that picture of the bricks they would want a full report.
It looks bad to me but I'm not a builder or any sort of expert.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:27pm: As for the shower, assume it's all rotten. Work out what it will cost you to repair all this stuff then get the seller to knock that of the price. Yes - these things can be used as bargaining chips. the seller of that place with a bad shower wouldn't admit there was a serious problem - he said it was easy to fix - just a few rotten boards & the rest of it was OK. - he couldn't be bothered tearing the tiles up to do it. Of course - he would downplay it!

tear up tiles? first you have to remove the shower base, then pull up tiles, waterproofing and then the floor boards. Then start again and rebuild the thing. It's not hard, but it's a little more complicated than changing a few boards.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:33pm:

ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:30pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:27pm: Work out what it will cost you to repair all this stuff then get the seller to knock that of the price. idiotic advice. why not just buy a house that doesnt need repairing. Because you'll pay a lot more.

sorry. didnt realise you were an expert builder.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:34pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: OK thanks - so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out? Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand. It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall. if you're worried, crawl underneath and build a temporary pier. If it hasn't collapsed yet, I don't see why it would suddenly. As long as you only do a few bricks at a time. Having said that, I haven't got the full picture. if you're not sure, get a building report. I am almost sure that if I showed the bank that picture of the bricks they would want a full report. It looks bad to me but I'm not a builder or any sort of expert.

you should ALWAYS get a building inspection BEFORE you buy. If this is what you can see, who knows what's there that you as a layman can't see.

ian wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:35pm:

Bobby, your issue with the bricks is incorrectly mixed mortar, just because this is the part of the brickwork you can see mortar missing does not mean there are not problems with the rest of the brickwork. Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. Also, the fact that there are 2 apparent serious repair issues with this house means that there are probably a whole host of serious issues you cant see. Stay away. Do not buy this house unless you pay land value only with a discount for the price of demolishing this place.

The 2 pictures I showed everyone are from TWO different houses that I looked at.

My untrained eye has probably missed much more.


Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job.


Yes - the whole place would have sandy mortar -
some halfwit mixed the mortar in the wrong amounts -
not enough cement.

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:37pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:34pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: OK thanks - so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out? Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand. It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall. if you're worried, crawl underneath and build a temporary pier. If it hasn't collapsed yet, I don't see why it would suddenly. As long as you only do a few bricks at a time. Having said that, I haven't got the full picture. if you're not sure, get a building report. I am almost sure that if I showed the bank that picture of the bricks they would want a full report. It looks bad to me but I'm not a builder or any sort of expert. you should ALWAYS get a building inspection BEFORE you buy. If this is what you can see, who knows what's there that you as a layman can't see.

I just said that.

ian wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:35pm:

Bobby, your issue with the bricks is incorrectly mixed mortar, just because this is the part of the brickwork you can see mortar missing does not mean there are not problems with the rest of the brickwork. Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. Also, the fact that there are 2 apparent serious repair issues with this house means that there are probably a whole host of serious issues you cant see. Stay away. Do not buy this house unless you pay land value only with a discount for the price of demolishing this place.

this is the sort of house I love to buy ... most idiots stay away, they get scared. A little elbow grease and it'll most likely shine up nicely, then he can sell it to some idiot looking for no issues.

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:39pm:

ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:35pm: Bobby, your issue with the bricks is incorrectly mixed mortar, just because this is the part of the brickwork you can see mortar missing does not mean there are not problems with the rest of the brickwork. Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. Also, the fact that there are 2 apparent serious repair issues with this house means that there are probably a whole host of serious issues you cant see. Stay away. Do not buy this house unless you pay land value only with a discount for the price of demolishing this place. this is the sort of house I love to buy ... most idiots stay away, they get scared. A little elbow grease and it'll most likely shine up nicely, then he can sell it to some idiot looking for no issues.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:38pm:

ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:35pm: Bobby, your issue with the bricks is incorrectly mixed mortar, just because this is the part of the brickwork you can see mortar missing does not mean there are not problems with the rest of the brickwork. Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. Also, the fact that there are 2 apparent serious repair issues with this house means that there are probably a whole host of serious issues you cant see. Stay away. Do not buy this house unless you pay land value only with a discount for the price of demolishing this place. The 2 pictures I showed everyone are from TWO different houses that I looked at. My untrained eye has probably missed much more.

ohh, I thought they were the same house.  Pick your problem that you'd prefer to fix and run with that one.

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:35pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:33pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:28pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:26pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:20pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm: This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report why? bobby is aware of the problem and still looking at buying it. When is your brain going to connect with reality? It's potentially dangerous and not fit to live in. If the wall collapses on someone then of course the real estate scumbag is indemnified and gets to keep his ill gotten gains :( you're potentially dangerous. Hey smithy isn't funny how a real estate agent does not need to have a financial advisors license ? funny about that considering they are offering financial advice on million dollar assets compared with someone with a financial advisors license who offers advice on 5K parcel of shares :(. why would an agent need financial advisors license? They sell houses, not give finance advice.

Sure they sell houses to investors as well. What a great investment it says in the ad :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:41pm:

Sure they sell houses to investors as well. What a great investment it says in the ad Cheesy LOL

so do adds for jewelry, paintings and collectables ... should they all have financial advisors licenses? :D :D

Ive changed my mind Bobby. Ignore my advice. John Smith is the expert here, listen to him. A bit of elbow grease will transform those structural problems and white anted flooring no end. Then after that you can offload it to some idiot who doesnt know anything, like John suggests.

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:38pm: ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:35pm: Bobby, your issue with the bricks is incorrectly mixed mortar, just because this is the part of the brickwork you can see mortar missing does not mean there are not problems with the rest of the brickwork. Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. Also, the fact that there are 2 apparent serious repair issues with this house means that there are probably a whole host of serious issues you cant see. Stay away. Do not buy this house unless you pay land value only with a discount for the price of demolishing this place. The 2 pictures I showed everyone are from TWO different houses that I looked at. My untrained eye has probably missed much more. ohh, I thought they were the same house.  Pick your problem that you'd prefer to fix and run with that one.

and don't expect a warranty on termite damage. You find that out the hard way after you have signed over your life over to a bank :(

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:35pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:33pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:28pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:26pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:20pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm: This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report why? bobby is aware of the problem and still looking at buying it. When is your brain going to connect with reality? It's potentially dangerous and not fit to live in. If the wall collapses on someone then of course the real estate scumbag is indemnified and gets to keep his ill gotten gains :( you're potentially dangerous. Hey smithy isn't funny how a real estate agent does not need to have a financial advisors license ? funny about that considering they are offering financial advice on million dollar assets compared with someone with a financial advisors license who offers advice on 5K parcel of shares :(. why would an agent need financial advisors license? They sell houses, not give finance advice.

Of course.  Only a person of remarkably low intelligence would think that a real estate agent would need such a licence.

ian wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:43pm:

Ive changed my mind Bobby. Ignore my advice. John Smith is the expert here, listen to him. A bit of elbow grease will transform those structural problems and white anted flooring no end. Then after that you can offload it to some idiot who doesnt know anything, like John suggests.

But:


Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job.


That means the whole house is a right off.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:38pm: ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:35pm: Bobby, your issue with the bricks is incorrectly mixed mortar, just because this is the part of the brickwork you can see mortar missing does not mean there are not problems with the rest of the brickwork. Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. Also, the fact that there are 2 apparent serious repair issues with this house means that there are probably a whole host of serious issues you cant see. Stay away. Do not buy this house unless you pay land value only with a discount for the price of demolishing this place. The 2 pictures I showed everyone are from TWO different houses that I looked at. My untrained eye has probably missed much more. ohh, I thought they were the same house.  Pick your problem that you'd prefer to fix and run with that one. and don't expect a warranty on termite damage. You find that out the hard way after you have signed over your life over to a bank :(

do you live in Narnia? SO if you find termite damage in 12 months time, how can you tell when the termites ate the wood? was it before or after purchase?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:45pm:

ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:43pm: Ive changed my mind Bobby. Ignore my advice. John Smith is the expert here, listen to him. A bit of elbow grease will transform those structural problems and white anted flooring no end. Then after that you can offload it to some idiot who doesnt know anything, like John suggests. But: Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. That means the whole house is a right off.

unlikely  .... if it was the whole house you'd have evidence of it everywhere.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:34pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: OK thanks - so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out? Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand. It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall. if you're worried, crawl underneath and build a temporary pier. If it hasn't collapsed yet, I don't see why it would suddenly. As long as you only do a few bricks at a time. Having said that, I haven't got the full picture. if you're not sure, get a building report. I am almost sure that if I showed the bank that picture of the bricks they would want a full report. It looks bad to me but I'm not a builder or any sort of expert.

It looks bad to me too .

Wolseley wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:35pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:33pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:28pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:26pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:20pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm: This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report why? bobby is aware of the problem and still looking at buying it. When is your brain going to connect with reality? It's potentially dangerous and not fit to live in. If the wall collapses on someone then of course the real estate scumbag is indemnified and gets to keep his ill gotten gains :( you're potentially dangerous. Hey smithy isn't funny how a real estate agent does not need to have a financial advisors license ? funny about that considering they are offering financial advice on million dollar assets compared with someone with a financial advisors license who offers advice on 5K parcel of shares :(. why would an agent need financial advisors license? They sell houses, not give finance advice. Of course.  Only a person of remarkably low intelligence would think that a real estate agent would need such a licence.

why don't you go and buy another self help book you moreon.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:37pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:34pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: OK thanks - so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out? Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand. It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall. if you're worried, crawl underneath and build a temporary pier. If it hasn't collapsed yet, I don't see why it would suddenly. As long as you only do a few bricks at a time. Having said that, I haven't got the full picture. if you're not sure, get a building report. I am almost sure that if I showed the bank that picture of the bricks they would want a full report. It looks bad to me but I'm not a builder or any sort of expert. It looks bad to me too .

it looks worse than it actually is. Especially if it's isolated to that area.

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:45pm: ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:43pm: Ive changed my mind Bobby. Ignore my advice. John Smith is the expert here, listen to him. A bit of elbow grease will transform those structural problems and white anted flooring no end. Then after that you can offload it to some idiot who doesnt know anything, like John suggests. But: Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. That means the whole house is a right off. unlikely  .... if it was the whole house you'd have evidence of it everywhere.

It's only down low on the bricks that are near the ground -
all around the house.
The roof tiles & guttering are brand new.
Maybe the old guttering was sending water down across the brickwork ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:37pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:34pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: OK thanks - so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out? Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand. It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall. if you're worried, crawl underneath and build a temporary pier. If it hasn't collapsed yet, I don't see why it would suddenly. As long as you only do a few bricks at a time. Having said that, I haven't got the full picture. if you're not sure, get a building report. I am almost sure that if I showed the bank that picture of the bricks they would want a full report. It looks bad to me but I'm not a builder or any sort of expert. It looks bad to me too .

it's a renovators delight says the ad from Liare and DeShonky realtors  :D LOL

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:48pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:37pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:34pm: [quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1459686655/15#15 date=1459690165] OK thanks - so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out? Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand. It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall. if you're worried, crawl underneath and build a temporary pier. If it hasn't collapsed yet, I don't see why it would suddenly. As long as you only do a few bricks at a time. Having said that, I haven't got the full picture. if you're not sure, get a building report. I am almost sure that if I showed the bank that picture of the bricks they would want a full report. It looks bad to me but I'm not a builder or any sort of expert. It looks bad to me too .

it looks worse than it actually is. Especially if it's isolated to that area.


It's not  isolated to that area..
It's all around the house but I showed a pic of the worst part.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:45pm:

ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:43pm: Ive changed my mind Bobby. Ignore my advice. John Smith is the expert here, listen to him. A bit of elbow grease will transform those structural problems and white anted flooring no end. Then after that you can offload it to some idiot who doesnt know anything, like John suggests. But: Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. That means the whole house is a right off.

Correct. The same brickie would have done the whole job. That house is going to have major structural issues all over. Dont even waste your time getting a building report.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:45pm: ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:43pm: Ive changed my mind Bobby. Ignore my advice. John Smith is the expert here, listen to him. A bit of elbow grease will transform those structural problems and white anted flooring no end. Then after that you can offload it to some idiot who doesnt know anything, like John suggests. But: Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. That means the whole house is a right off. unlikely  .... if it was the whole house you'd have evidence of it everywhere. It's only down low on the bricks that are near the ground - all around the house. The roof tiles & guttering are brand new. Maybe the old guttering was sending water down across the brickwork ?

Correct again. The mortar is likely inferior in all areas, but only completely missing in areas where the water run off has concentrated or the damp course is missing.

ian wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:45pm: ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:43pm: Ive changed my mind Bobby. Ignore my advice. John Smith is the expert here, listen to him. A bit of elbow grease will transform those structural problems and white anted flooring no end. Then after that you can offload it to some idiot who doesnt know anything, like John suggests. But: Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. That means the whole house is a right off. Correct. The same brickie would have done the whole job. That house is going to have major structural issues all over. Dont even waste your time getting a building report.

So - it's a bulldozer job?

What a pity - it's a large area of land.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:53pm:

ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:45pm: ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:43pm: Ive changed my mind Bobby. Ignore my advice. John Smith is the expert here, listen to him. A bit of elbow grease will transform those structural problems and white anted flooring no end. Then after that you can offload it to some idiot who doesnt know anything, like John suggests. But: Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. That means the whole house is a right off. Correct. The same brickie would have done the whole job. That house is going to have major structural issues all over. Dont even waste your time getting a building report. So - it's a bulldozer job? What a pity - it's a large area of land.

Buy it and re sell it to John, he loves properties like this.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:53pm:

ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:45pm: ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:43pm: Ive changed my mind Bobby. Ignore my advice. John Smith is the expert here, listen to him. A bit of elbow grease will transform those structural problems and white anted flooring no end. Then after that you can offload it to some idiot who doesnt know anything, like John suggests. But: Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. That means the whole house is a right off. Correct. The same brickie would have done the whole job. That house is going to have major structural issues all over. Dont even waste your time getting a building report. So - it's a bulldozer job? What a pity - it's a large area of land.

It should be classified like some cars that have been in a bad accident as an un-repairable write-off and ready for demolition !!

ian wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:53pm: ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:45pm: ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:43pm: Ive changed my mind Bobby. Ignore my advice. John Smith is the expert here, listen to him. A bit of elbow grease will transform those structural problems and white anted flooring no end. Then after that you can offload it to some idiot who doesnt know anything, like John suggests. But: Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. That means the whole house is a right off. Correct. The same brickie would have done the whole job. That house is going to have major structural issues all over. Dont even waste your time getting a building report. So - it's a bulldozer job? What a pity - it's a large area of land. Buy it and re sell it to John, he loves properties like this.

Yep - John would fix it with a $50 bag of cement & sand from Bunnings.

The thing is that Roman mortar is still ok after 2000 years.

This place was only built at the end of 80's.
It's only 28 year old mortar.

Some Aussie halfwit mixed the mortar in the wrong ratio.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 12:07am:

The thing is that Roman mortar is still ok after 2000 years. This place was only built at the end of 80's. It's only 28 year old mortar. Some Aussie halfwit mixed the mortar in the wrong ratio.

what the pricks do is they steal some of the cement and use it on another job and that's why you get a bad mix :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 12:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 12:07am: The thing is that Roman mortar is still ok after 2000 years. This place was only built at the end of 80's. It's only 28 year old mortar. Some Aussie halfwit mixed the mortar in the wrong ratio. what the pricks do is they steal some of the cement and use it on another job and that's why you get a bad mix :(

Not really. What happens is the labourer gets the mix wrong. Cement isnt worth stealing.

If it's on a large block of land, chances are that it will end up being bought by a developer who will knock it down and build townhouses on the site.  That's probably the best thing that could happen to this house.

ian wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 12:11am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 12:09am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 12:07am: The thing is that Roman mortar is still ok after 2000 years. This place was only built at the end of 80's. It's only 28 year old mortar. Some Aussie halfwit mixed the mortar in the wrong ratio. what the pricks do is they steal some of the cement and use it on another job and that's why you get a bad mix :( Not really. What happens is the labourer gets the mix wrong. Cement isnt worth stealing.

Yes - I've seen places like this before where you can get a screwdriver & just run it along
the mortar & it falls out like sand.

Other places like mine have rock hard mortar that you can't even drill
with a masonry bit.

Wolseley wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 12:13am:

If it's on a large block of land, chances are that it will end up being bought by a developer who will knock it down and build townhouses on the site.  That's probably the best thing that could happen to this house.

Yes - it looks like a developers dream -
you could build 3 or maybe 4 townhouses on it.
I don't have the money to develop it.

ian wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 12:11am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 12:09am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 12:07am: The thing is that Roman mortar is still ok after 2000 years. This place was only built at the end of 80's. It's only 28 year old mortar. Some Aussie halfwit mixed the mortar in the wrong ratio. what the pricks do is they steal some of the cement and use it on another job and that's why you get a bad mix :( Not really. What happens is the labourer gets the mix wrong. Cement isnt worth stealing.

Or they used old cement that had gone off.
It has a short shelf life.

Wolseley wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 12:13am:

If it's on a large block of land, chances are that it will end up being bought by a developer who will knock it down and build townhouses on the site.  That's probably the best thing that could happen to this house.

Yes - it looks like a developers dream -
you could build 3 or maybe 4 townhouses on it.
I don't have the money to develop it.

Qui audet adipiscitur bobby. Borrow the money.

ian wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 12:32am:

Qui audet adipiscitur bobby. Borrow the money.

I just want to buy a house where I can pay off a small mortgage in 5 years.
I have most of the capital I need already.

I want to retire in 5 years without a mortgage hanging over my head.

The bricks in that photo I posted are not load bearing -
that's why the building hasn't fallen down -
maybe it would be easy to repair?
perhaps it's not so serious?


http://www.structuralengineerscivplex.com.au/brick-veneer-construction.html


Quote:

BRICK VENEER SUPPORT: Since A Brick Veneer Construction Wall Is Not Load Bearing, It Needs Structural Support. It has to be tied back to the building structure to prevent movement due to wind, hail, earthquakes etc. However, care has to be taken so that the brick veneer does not compromise on the air cavity or its insulation. This is achieved by means of using brick ties. Brick ties are usually corrugated metal straps fixed on the structural framing. Wire extensions and horizontal joint reinforcement can also be used to tie the brick veneer to the structural frame. Since the veneer bricks are self supporting up to short heights, relieving supports are provided to transfer the weight of the veneer bricks to the structural frame.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/IMG_5577_a.jpg

Repairing a brick building:

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/video/0,,20810744,00.html

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:48pm:

It's only down low on the bricks that are near the ground - all around the house.

then it's almost certainly due to failure of the damp coursing. An easy fix if you want to put the time into it.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:42am:

Repairing a brick building: http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/video/0,,20810744,00.html

to put the damp coursing in you'll need to take out the bricks, not just chip out an inch like this link tells you.

A common problem.

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 8:56am:

An easy fix if you want to put the time into it.

If you're a bricklayer, that is.

I have never seen a house with a brickwork problem as bad as this.  The only one I have seen that even approached this condition was almost 100 years old and had obvious dampness issues.

Wolseley wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 9:53am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:56am: An easy fix if you want to put the time into it. If you're a bricklayer, that is. I have never seen a house with a brickwork problem as bad as this.  The only one I have seen that even approached this condition was almost 100 years old and had obvious dampness issues.

It's pretty common here in Perth.

I've seen much worse.

In fact, I was visiting a retirement village a few weeks ago and the damage I saw there was widespread and quite severe (caused by sprinklers).

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 8:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:48pm: It's only down low on the bricks that are near the ground - all around the house. then it's almost certainly due to failure of the damp coursing. An easy fix if you want to put the time into it.

Yes the damp coursing is not something I knew about .


http://www.handyman.net.au/how-get-rid-rising-damp

Quote:

‘Most people think rising damp comes up the walls but in 90% of cases the moisture comes off the ground. Rising damp happens when moisture sits under a house then the sun comes out causing humidity.’ It can also provide a breeding ground for pests. ‘Structurally these conditions are a magnet for termites that feed off damp timber and cockroach infestations are also likely.’

http://www.handyman.net.au/sites/default/files/article_up/mouldy-brick.jpg
Moldy brick can be fixed by replacing the damp proof course -



Quote:

A damp proof course (DPC) forms an impermeable barrier to rising damp. A physical DPC, often made of thick black polyethylene sheeting, is inserted about 200mm above ground level for external walls and as close to the floor level inside. It prevents moisture rising from the ground into the walls but can be time-consuming and costly to DIY. While it’s still the preferred option for salt-laden damp, a chemical DPC may be easier for other situations. To install the DPC is positioned by replacing the base of the wall section by section, or removing and repacking a horizontal mortar joint. At the same time, drainage should be added outside the wall and garden beds moved to at least 300mm from the wall to minimise moisture. Scott says, ‘Physical damp proof coursing starts from about $150 a linear metre. If it’s an area as small as a metre it could even cost as much as $1000 a linear metre depending on the severity and difficulty of the job.’

It looks like it's not a DIY job & could be costly to repair.

It looks like I'd have to get it checked for termites too!

I need to find out what it would cost to repair.

The deadbeat Estate agent claims he never even saw this problem!

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 5:10pm:

The deadbeat Estate agent claims he never even saw this problem!

he may not have. Besides, most agents walk around with their eyes closed.


Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 5:10pm:

It looks like it's not a DIY job & could be costly to repair

like I said, get a quote and have it taken of the agreed price

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 5:10pm: The deadbeat Estate agent claims he never even saw this problem! he may not have. Besides, most agents walk around with their eyes closed. Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 5:10pm: It looks like it's not a DIY job & could be costly to repair like I said, get a quote and have it taken of the agreed price

Real estate agents never see any of the faults.

The Real Estate agent never got back to me.
I spoke to a builder just now.
he said:

you can't just fill the gaps with mortar - you have to replace the water proof "damp coursing"
It's a big job & if the rest of the building has poor quality mortar
then it may well be a bulldozer job.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

you can't just fill the gaps with mortar - you have to replace the water proof "damp coursing"

now how many times have I told you that?

John Smith reckons its an easy fix Bobby, dont trust the builder, what would he know. John loves properties like this, a bit of elbow grease and Bobs your uncle.

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 6:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 6:44pm: you can't just fill the gaps with mortar - you have to replace the water proof "damp coursing" now how many times have I told you that?

Alright - you were correct - I don't know - I'm not a builder.
This time a real builder told me.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 6:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 6:47pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 6:44pm: you can't just fill the gaps with mortar - you have to replace the water proof "damp coursing" now how many times have I told you that? Alright - you were correct - I don't know - I'm not a builder. This time a real builder told me.

ian wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 6:47pm:

John Smith reckons its an easy fix Bobby, dont trust the builder, what would he know. John loves properties like this, a bit of elbow grease and Bobs your uncle.

it is ...it's not my fault common sense escapes you

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 8:17pm:

[ it is ...it's not my fault common sense escapes you

I will remember that next time someone tells me a condemned house is "an easy fix"

ian wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 8:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:17pm: [ it is ...it's not my fault common sense escapes you I will remember that next time someone tells me a condemned house is "an easy fix"

John is forgiven

namaste

ian wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 8:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:17pm: [ it is ...it's not my fault common sense escapes you I will remember that next time someone tells me a condemned house is "an easy fix"

who condemned it? you?

you didn't even know what damp coursing was  ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

ian wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:48pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:17pm: [ it is ...it's not my fault common sense escapes you I will remember that next time someone tells me a condemned house is "an easy fix" who condemned it? you? you didn't even know what damp coursing was  ;D ;D ;D

I didn't know what damp coursing was.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 11:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:18pm: ian wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:48pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:17pm: [ it is ...it's not my fault common sense escapes you I will remember that next time someone tells me a condemned house is "an easy fix" who condemned it? you? you didn't even know what damp coursing was  ;D ;D ;D I didn't know what damp coursing was.

neither did Ian.

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 11:17pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:18pm: ian wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:48pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:17pm: [ it is ...it's not my fault common sense escapes you I will remember that next time someone tells me a condemned house is "an easy fix" who condemned it? you? you didn't even know what damp coursing was  ;D ;D ;D I didn't know what damp coursing was. neither did Ian.

Well the builder did.

I am now considering a place further out East which will be in good condition.
I'll check it out tomorrow over the phone.
I don't want to buy a bulldozer job

good luck with the search

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 11:31pm:

good luck with the search

Thanks

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 6:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 5:10pm: The deadbeat Estate agent claims he never even saw this problem! he may not have. Besides, most agents walk around with their eyes closed. Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 5:10pm: It looks like it's not a DIY job & could be costly to repair like I said, get a quote and have it taken of the agreed price Real estate agents never see any of the faults. The Real Estate agent never got back to me. I spoke to a builder just now. he said: you can't just fill the gaps with mortar - you have to replace the water proof "damp coursing" It's a big job & if the rest of the building has poor quality mortar then it may well be a bulldozer job.

Good research Bobby.
Well done.

You did the work and got a sensible answer.
Well worth paying for.

Saved yourself a lot of bother there and gained some knowledge.

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

ian wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:48pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:17pm: [ it is ...it's not my fault common sense escapes you I will remember that next time someone tells me a condemned house is "an easy fix" who condemned it? you? you didn't even know what damp coursing was  ;D ;D ;D

It wasnt relevant. The picture told the whole story. With or without damp coursing the property is a write off. I was right from the beginning, the builder confirmed it. Easy fix. lol. Feel stupid John? You should. Next time dont give stupid advice. You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego. tut tut. John.

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 12:34am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:18pm: ian wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:48pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:17pm: [ it is ...it's not my fault common sense escapes you I will remember that next time someone tells me a condemned house is "an easy fix" who condemned it? you? you didn't even know what damp coursing was  ;D ;D ;D It wasnt relevant. The picture told the whole story. With or without damp coursing the property is a write off. I was right from the beginning, the builder confirmed it. Easy fix. lol. Feel stupid John? You should. Next time dont give stupid advice. You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego. tut tut. John.

The builder confirmed it? When did that happen?  The builder said'IF' Ian. That means the builder didn't know, and in this day and age where he has to cover his arse or risk being sued, the tendency is to cover all over with as many 'if's' 'maybe's' and 'possibles' as possible..

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 12:34am:

. You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego

now you're just showing how truly stupid you are ...i told bobby several times to get a building inspection report done :D :D.

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 12:34am: . You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego now you're just showing how truly stupid you are ...i told bobby several times to get a building inspection report done :D :D.

Most people would just do a temporary repair on those bricks &
forget about the need for " damp coursing ".
You could probably get away with it.
The house seems to be built on sand which can subside under the foundations
if water comes from a broken gutter or spout.
Also the damp areas are breeding grounds for termites.

No wonder I see many houses bulldozed & new ones built.

If I could do a repair myself I'd probably buy that place.
It's just in a perfect location for me
& has a big backyard which I like.

I am still tempted if I could get it at a price where the cost of fixing
the brickwork is taken into account.
Unfortunately it doesn't work like that.
Someone will always pay the asking price because they
don't realise what they are getting in to.

The owner should have to supply an Archicentre & termite report by law.
Real estate buying & selling is out of control.
It is also tempting to go into heavier debt than is sensible.
But then if you lose your job or get sick you're in real trouble with the bank.

It's a stressful time when you look for a house.
I wish I had a builder friend who could inspect with me.
I would say that 99% of people at auctions are buying with no building report.
People in this country are heavy gamblers & risk takers.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/IMG_5577_a.jpg
 

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 12:34am: John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:18pm: ian wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:48pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:17pm: [ it is ...it's not my fault common sense escapes you I will remember that next time someone tells me a condemned house is "an easy fix" who condemned it? you? you didn't even know what damp coursing was  ;D ;D ;D It wasnt relevant. The picture told the whole story. With or without damp coursing the property is a write off. I was right from the beginning, the builder confirmed it. Easy fix. lol. Feel stupid John? You should. Next time dont give stupid advice. You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego. tut tut. John. The builder confirmed it? When did that happen?  The builder said'IF' Ian. That means the builder didn't know, and in this day and age where he has to cover his arse or risk being sued, the tendency is to cover all over with as many 'if's' 'maybe's' and 'possibles' as possible..

Like I said fool, the probability was all the mortar was mixed like that. The builder confirmed the probability. Fool.

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 12:34am: . You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego now you're just showing how truly stupid you are ...i told bobby several times to get a building inspection report done :D :D.

Do you deny you said it was an easy fix? yes or no. Just keep on making yourself look stupid here. You really are the forum buffoon, even with all the competition you are winning.

And heres Johns post advising Bobby not to get a report done. What a prime d!ckhead.


John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:20pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm: This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report why? bobby is aware of the problem and still looking at buying it. When is your brain going to connect with reality?

Quote:

The builder confirmed it? When did that happen?  The builder said'IF' Ian. That means the builder didn't know, and in this day and age where he has to cover his arse or risk being sued, the tendency is to cover all over with as many 'if's' 'maybe's' and 'possibles' as possible.

The builder has to cover his arse with a repair.
His repair would have to last at least 25 years
so they do it properly.

Dodgy house flippers would do a temporary repair with
$200 of cement & sand from Bunnings & the buyer
would not be aware.
2 years later the problem could come back & termites
could riddle the house.

I've watched the house flippers shows & "the Block"  etc
& I've never seen brick problems like this.
( it's all around the house on every wall but the picture is the worst spot )
Those TV shows are laughed at by real builders.

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 8:29am: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 12:34am: . You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego now you're just showing how truly stupid you are ...i told bobby several times to get a building inspection report done :D :D. Do you deny you said it was an easy fix? yes or no. Just keep on making yourself look stupid here. You really are the forum buffoon, even with all the competition you are winning.

Yes and i still maintain it's an easy fix. I've done it before. It's tedious and time consuming, but not difficult.

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

And heres Johns post advising Bobby not to get a report done. What a prime d!ckhead. John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:20pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm: This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report why? bobby is aware of the problem and still looking at buying it. When is your brain going to connect with reality?

I know you struggle with basics, but where have I advised Bobby NOT to get a report done? Do you even understand what's written in front of you/

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 8:27am: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 12:34am: John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:18pm: ian wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:48pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:17pm: [ it is ...it's not my fault common sense escapes you I will remember that next time someone tells me a condemned house is "an easy fix" who condemned it? you? you didn't even know what damp coursing was  ;D ;D ;D It wasnt relevant. The picture told the whole story. With or without damp coursing the property is a write off. I was right from the beginning, the builder confirmed it. Easy fix. lol. Feel stupid John? You should. Next time dont give stupid advice. You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego. tut tut. John. The builder confirmed it? When did that happen?  The builder said'IF' Ian. That means the builder didn't know, and in this day and age where he has to cover his arse or risk being sued, the tendency is to cover all over with as many 'if's' 'maybe's' and 'possibles' as possible.. Like I said fool, the probability was all the mortar was mixed like that. The builder confirmed the probability. Fool.

no, the builder confirmed that there IS a probability. The building game is all about limiting your liability Ian. One day, when you grow up and buy your own house, you may realise that.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

His repair would have to last at least 25 years

wrong ... 8 years

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:10pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 8:27am: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 12:34am: John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:18pm: ian wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:48pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:17pm: [ it is ...it's not my fault common sense escapes you I will remember that next time someone tells me a condemned house is "an easy fix" who condemned it? you? you didn't even know what damp coursing was  ;D ;D ;D It wasnt relevant. The picture told the whole story. With or without damp coursing the property is a write off. I was right from the beginning, the builder confirmed it. Easy fix. lol. Feel stupid John? You should. Next time dont give stupid advice. You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego. tut tut. John. The builder confirmed it? When did that happen?  The builder said'IF' Ian. That means the builder didn't know, and in this day and age where he has to cover his arse or risk being sued, the tendency is to cover all over with as many 'if's' 'maybe's' and 'possibles' as possible.. Like I said fool, the probability was all the mortar was mixed like that. The builder confirmed the probability. Fool. no, the builder confirmed that there IS a probability. The building game is all about limiting your liability Ian.

Yes. eaxctly what i said. feel foolish now? You should. and you should just have shut up because you didnt know. Now you are reduced to echoing my comments and claiming them as your own. Very sad and pathetic. I feel sorry for you.

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:14pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 8:29am: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 12:34am: . You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego now you're just showing how truly stupid you are ...i told bobby several times to get a building inspection report done :D :D. Do you deny you said it was an easy fix? yes or no. Just keep on making yourself look stupid here. You really are the forum buffoon, even with all the competition you are winning. Yes and i still maintain it's an easy fix. I've done it before. It's tedious and time consuming, but not difficult.

Lol. How on earth is "tedious and time consuming" easy John? have you ever done any manual work in your whole life?. At least your peasant forebears had that to their credit.

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 9:47pm:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:15pm: And heres Johns post advising Bobby not to get a report done. What a prime d!ckhead. John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:20pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm: This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report why? bobby is aware of the problem and still looking at buying it. When is your brain going to connect with reality? I know you struggle with basics, but where have I advised Bobby NOT to get a report done? Do you even understand what's written in front of you/

still waiting Ian  ;D ;D ;D

Bobby. wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

Quote: The builder confirmed it? When did that happen?  The builder said'IF' Ian. That means the builder didn't know, and in this day and age where he has to cover his arse or risk being sued, the tendency is to cover all over with as many 'if's' 'maybe's' and 'possibles' as possible. The builder has to cover his arse with a repair. His repair would have to last at least 25 years so they do it properly. Dodgy house flippers would do a temporary repair with $200 of cement & sand from Bunnings & the buyer would not be aware. 2 years later the problem could come back & termites could riddle the house. I've watched the house flippers shows & "the Block"  etc & I've never seen brick problems like this. ( it's all around the house on every wall but the picture is the worst spot ) Those TV shows are laughed at by real builders.

Correct bobby.

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:45pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:14pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 8:29am: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 12:34am: . You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego now you're just showing how truly stupid you are ...i told bobby several times to get a building inspection report done :D :D. Do you deny you said it was an easy fix? yes or no. Just keep on making yourself look stupid here. You really are the forum buffoon, even with all the competition you are winning. Yes and i still maintain it's an easy fix. I've done it before. It's tedious and time consuming, but not difficult. Lol. How on earth is "tedious and time consuming" easy John? have you ever done any manual work in your whole life?. At least your peasant forebears had that to their credit.

I do manual work all the time Ian. Unlike you, a bit of hard work doesn't scare me. Tedious and time consuming is not hard. Especially if you're not in a rush. Now if you had to run those bricks up 20 flights of stairs, then you might say it's a hard.
Although in your case you probably run out of puff just brushing your teeth

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: OK thanks - so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out? Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand. It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall. if you're worried, crawl underneath and build a temporary pier. If it hasn't collapsed yet, I don't see why it would suddenly. As long as you only do a few bricks at a time. Having said that, I haven't got the full picture. if you're not sure, get a building report.

More dangerous and stupid advice from John. What sort of tool would advise a layman to crawl under a house with structural problems?  :-/

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:34pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: OK thanks - so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out? Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand. It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall. if you're worried, crawl underneath and build a temporary pier. If it hasn't collapsed yet, I don't see why it would suddenly. As long as you only do a few bricks at a time. Having said that, I haven't got the full picture. if you're not sure, get a building report. More dangerous and stupid advice from John. What sort of tool would advise a layman to crawl under a house with structural problems?  :-/

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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are you trying to redefine stupid?

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:39pm:

ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:35pm: Bobby, your issue with the bricks is incorrectly mixed mortar, just because this is the part of the brickwork you can see mortar missing does not mean there are not problems with the rest of the brickwork. Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. Also, the fact that there are 2 apparent serious repair issues with this house means that there are probably a whole host of serious issues you cant see. Stay away. Do not buy this house unless you pay land value only with a discount for the price of demolishing this place. this is the sort of house I love to buy ... most idiots stay away, they get scared. A little elbow grease and it'll most likely shine up nicely, then he can sell it to some idiot looking for no issues.

What a complete fool. As well as giving dangerous advice, johnthen pretends he is some sort of renovation expert and can easily fix houses with massive structural and white ant issues.

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:06pm:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:04pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:45pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:14pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 8:29am: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 12:34am: . You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego now you're just showing how truly stupid you are ...i told bobby several times to get a building inspection report done :D :D. Do you deny you said it was an easy fix? yes or no. Just keep on making yourself look stupid here. You really are the forum buffoon, even with all the competition you are winning. Yes and i still maintain it's an easy fix. I've done it before. It's tedious and time consuming, but not difficult. Lol. How on earth is "tedious and time consuming" easy John? have you ever done any manual work in your whole life?. At least your peasant forebears had that to their credit. I do manual work all the time Ian. Unlike you, a bit of hard work doesn't scare me. Tedious and time consuming is not hard. Especially if you're not in a rush. Now if you had to run those bricks up 20 flights of stairs, then you might say it's a hard. Although in your case you probably run out of puff just brushing your teeth

Of course John, you must be fit from sitting behind your desk and posting on this forum 24  7..

Bobby. wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 9:08pm:

..............It's a stressful time when you look for a house. I wish I had a builder friend who could inspect with me..........

Yes, very stressful.

Did that carpenter seem ok ?

Maybe hire him to inspect other houses?

yes, it's very very stressful. Awfully so.

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:06pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:04pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:45pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:14pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 8:29am: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 12:34am: . You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego now you're just showing how truly stupid you are ...i told bobby several times to get a building inspection report done :D :D. Do you deny you said it was an easy fix? yes or no. Just keep on making yourself look stupid here. You really are the forum buffoon, even with all the competition you are winning. Yes and i still maintain it's an easy fix. I've done it before. It's tedious and time consuming, but not difficult. Lol. How on earth is "tedious and time consuming" easy John? have you ever done any manual work in your whole life?. At least your peasant forebears had that to their credit. I do manual work all the time Ian. Unlike you, a bit of hard work doesn't scare me. Tedious and time consuming is not hard. Especially if you're not in a rush. Now if you had to run those bricks up 20 flights of stairs, then you might say it's a hard. Although in your case you probably run out of puff just brushing your teeth Of course John, you must be fit from sitting behind your desk and posting on this forum 24  7..

I'm fairly fit Ian. In fact, I spent most of today working outside. If you think I'm on here 24/7 the perhaps you should seek help? Your fascination with me is affecting your cognitive abilities

John Smith wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:37pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:34pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: OK thanks - so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out? Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand. It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall. if you're worried, crawl underneath and build a temporary pier. If it hasn't collapsed yet, I don't see why it would suddenly. As long as you only do a few bricks at a time. Having said that, I haven't got the full picture. if you're not sure, get a building report. I am almost sure that if I showed the bank that picture of the bricks they would want a full report. It looks bad to me but I'm not a builder or any sort of expert. you should ALWAYS get a building inspection BEFORE you buy. If this is what you can see, who knows what's there that you as a layman can't see.

First John says "if you arent sure get a building report" then he says 'you should ALWAYS get a building inspection BEFORE you buy'. This is of course after offering the advice that "its an easy fix". Lol, John the pro.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:08pm: ..............It's a stressful time when you look for a house. I wish I had a builder friend who could inspect with me..........   Yes, very stressful. Did that carpenter seem ok ? Maybe hire him to inspect other houses? yes, it's very very stressful. Awfully so.

You don't hire a carpenter, you hire an independent building inspector. Carpenters will talk down jobs they don't like, and talk up jobs that they think they can make a quid on. You have the inspector inspect (most of the ones I've come across are retired builders anyway) and then you get the carpenter to quote on the inspectors findings

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:37pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:34pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: OK thanks - so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out? Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand. It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall. if you're worried, crawl underneath and build a temporary pier. If it hasn't collapsed yet, I don't see why it would suddenly. As long as you only do a few bricks at a time. Having said that, I haven't got the full picture. if you're not sure, get a building report. I am almost sure that if I showed the bank that picture of the bricks they would want a full report. It looks bad to me but I'm not a builder or any sort of expert. you should ALWAYS get a building inspection BEFORE you buy. If this is what you can see, who knows what's there that you as a layman can't see. First John says "if you arent sure get a building report" then he says 'you should ALWAYS get a building inspection BEFORE you buy'. This is of course after offering the advice that "its an easy fix". Lol, John the pro.

;D ;D ;D ;D

that's the best you've got Ian?

;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D

what a loser

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:14pm:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:11pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:06pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:04pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:45pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:14pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 8:29am: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 12:34am: . You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego now you're just showing how truly stupid you are ...i told bobby several times to get a building inspection report done :D :D. Do you deny you said it was an easy fix? yes or no. Just keep on making yourself look stupid here. You really are the forum buffoon, even with all the competition you are winning. Yes and i still maintain it's an easy fix. I've done it before. It's tedious and time consuming, but not difficult. Lol. How on earth is "tedious and time consuming" easy John? have you ever done any manual work in your whole life?. At least your peasant forebears had that to their credit. I do manual work all the time Ian. Unlike you, a bit of hard work doesn't scare me. Tedious and time consuming is not hard. Especially if you're not in a rush. Now if you had to run those bricks up 20 flights of stairs, then you might say it's a hard. Although in your case you probably run out of puff just brushing your teeth Of course John, you must be fit from sitting behind your desk and posting on this forum 24  7.. I'm fairly fit Ian. In fact, I spent most of today working outside. If you think I'm on here 24/7 the perhaps you should seek help? Your fascination with me is affecting your cognitive abilities

Why would i be fascinated with you John? You are much inferior to me in every aspect. I just enjoy playing with you and exposing your bluster.

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:39pm: ian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:35pm: Bobby, your issue with the bricks is incorrectly mixed mortar, just because this is the part of the brickwork you can see mortar missing does not mean there are not problems with the rest of the brickwork. Its likely that the mortar was incorrectly mixed for the whole job. Also, the fact that there are 2 apparent serious repair issues with this house means that there are probably a whole host of serious issues you cant see. Stay away. Do not buy this house unless you pay land value only with a discount for the price of demolishing this place. this is the sort of house I love to buy ... most idiots stay away, they get scared. A little elbow grease and it'll most likely shine up nicely, then he can sell it to some idiot looking for no issues. What a complete fool. As well as giving dangerous advice, johnthen pretends he is some sort of renovation expert and can easily fix houses with massive structural and white ant issues.

white ants?  ;D ;D ;D

are you drunk now?

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:14pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:11pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:06pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:04pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:45pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:14pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 8:29am: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 12:34am: . You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego now you're just showing how truly stupid you are ...i told bobby several times to get a building inspection report done :D :D. Do you deny you said it was an easy fix? yes or no. Just keep on making yourself look stupid here. You really are the forum buffoon, even with all the competition you are winning. Yes and i still maintain it's an easy fix. I've done it before. It's tedious and time consuming, but not difficult. Lol. How on earth is "tedious and time consuming" easy John? have you ever done any manual work in your whole life?. At least your peasant forebears had that to their credit. I do manual work all the time Ian. Unlike you, a bit of hard work doesn't scare me. Tedious and time consuming is not hard. Especially if you're not in a rush. Now if you had to run those bricks up 20 flights of stairs, then you might say it's a hard. Although in your case you probably run out of puff just brushing your teeth Of course John, you must be fit from sitting behind your desk and posting on this forum 24  7.. I'm fairly fit Ian. In fact, I spent most of today working outside. If you think I'm on here 24/7 the perhaps you should seek help? Your fascination with me is affecting your cognitive abilities Why would i be fascinated with you John? You are much inferior to me in every aspect. I just enjoy playing with you and exposing your bluster.

Why? I don't know ...perhaps you're a closet fag. As for your feeling inferior, that's for you to sort out.

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

Why? I don't know ...perhaps you're a closet fag. As for your feeling inferior, that's for you to sort out.

Calling me  a homo doesnt insult me John. Im not homophobic. And you need to understand, I dont feel inferior to you in any way, I feel much superior to you. Unlike you Im not a desk jockey desperately hoping to impress people on the internet. Unlike you i dont feel the need to lie about anything. You are transparent to me John. Totally.

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:15pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:37pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:34pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: OK thanks - so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out? Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand. It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall. if you're worried, crawl underneath and build a temporary pier. If it hasn't collapsed yet, I don't see why it would suddenly. As long as you only do a few bricks at a time. Having said that, I haven't got the full picture. if you're not sure, get a building report. I am almost sure that if I showed the bank that picture of the bricks they would want a full report. It looks bad to me but I'm not a builder or any sort of expert. you should ALWAYS get a building inspection BEFORE you buy. If this is what you can see, who knows what's there that you as a layman can't see. First John says "if you arent sure get a building report" then he says 'you should ALWAYS get a building inspection BEFORE you buy'. This is of course after offering the advice that "its an easy fix". Lol, John the pro. ;D ;D ;D ;D that's the best you've got Ian? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D what a loser

I like posters who use emoticons a lot, it means they feel inferior and the need to over compensate. see how I can read you John?

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:20pm: Why? I don't know ...perhaps you're a closet fag. As for your feeling inferior, that's for you to sort out. Calling me  a homo doesnt insult me John. Im not homophobic. And you need to understand, I dont feel inferior to you in any way, I feel much superior to you. Unlike you Im not a desk jockey desperately hoping to impress people on the internet. Unlike you i dont feel the need to lie about anything. You are transparent to me John. Totally.

I wasn't calling you a homo  Ian, I was suggesting a motive. As to it's accuracy, that's for you to figure out.

I can tell you feel superior to me. That's why you're so determined to tell me so  ;D ;D ;D

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:17pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:15pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:37pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:34pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:29pm: OK thanks - so you're saying you don't need any form of jack to hold the weight of the wall while the bricks are taken out? Some bricks are just loose & come out by hand. It's almost like there is nothing there at all to hold the weight of the wall. if you're worried, crawl underneath and build a temporary pier. If it hasn't collapsed yet, I don't see why it would suddenly. As long as you only do a few bricks at a time. Having said that, I haven't got the full picture. if you're not sure, get a building report. I am almost sure that if I showed the bank that picture of the bricks they would want a full report. It looks bad to me but I'm not a builder or any sort of expert. you should ALWAYS get a building inspection BEFORE you buy. If this is what you can see, who knows what's there that you as a layman can't see. First John says "if you arent sure get a building report" then he says 'you should ALWAYS get a building inspection BEFORE you buy'. This is of course after offering the advice that "its an easy fix". Lol, John the pro. ;D ;D ;D ;D that's the best you've got Ian? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D what a loser I like posters who use emoticons a lot, it means they feel inferior and the need to over compensate. see how I can read you John?

All I can see is how stupid you really are. A laughing emoticon means that I am laughing. Would you prefer I put 'lol'  :D :D

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:47pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:15pm: And heres Johns post advising Bobby not to get a report done. What a prime d!ckhead. John Smith wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:20pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 11:05pm: This all wouldn't be an issue if by law the seller had to provide a report why? bobby is aware of the problem and still looking at buying it. When is your brain going to connect with reality? I know you struggle with basics, but where have I advised Bobby NOT to get a report done? Do you even understand what's written in front of you/ still waiting Ian  ;D ;D ;D

don't run away Ian ... stand by your comments. No need to be ashamed. (It's to late for that for you anyway) . Where did I tell him not to get a report?

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:22pm: Quote: The builder confirmed it? When did that happen?  The builder said'IF' Ian. That means the builder didn't know, and in this day and age where he has to cover his arse or risk being sued, the tendency is to cover all over with as many 'if's' 'maybe's' and 'possibles' as possible. The builder has to cover his arse with a repair. His repair would have to last at least 25 years so they do it properly. Dodgy house flippers would do a temporary repair with $200 of cement & sand from Bunnings & the buyer would not be aware. 2 years later the problem could come back & termites could riddle the house. I've watched the house flippers shows & "the Block"  etc & I've never seen brick problems like this. ( it's all around the house on every wall but the picture is the worst spot ) Those TV shows are laughed at by real builders. Correct bobby.

Thanks Ian.

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

Why? I don't know ...perhaps you're a closet fag. As for your feeling inferior, that's for you to sort out.

Every thread gets turned into something about poofters.

God help us all.

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:14pm:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:11pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:06pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:04pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:45pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:14pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 8:29am: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 12:34am: . You would have seen bobby get his fingers burnt for the sake of your own ego now you're just showing how truly stupid you are ...i told bobby several times to get a building inspection report done :D :D. Do you deny you said it was an easy fix? yes or no. Just keep on making yourself look stupid here. You really are the forum buffoon, even with all the competition you are winning. Yes and i still maintain it's an easy fix. I've done it before. It's tedious and time consuming, but not difficult. Lol. How on earth is "tedious and time consuming" easy John? have you ever done any manual work in your whole life?. At least your peasant forebears had that to their credit. I do manual work all the time Ian. Unlike you, a bit of hard work doesn't scare me. Tedious and time consuming is not hard. Especially if you're not in a rush. Now if you had to run those bricks up 20 flights of stairs, then you might say it's a hard. Although in your case you probably run out of puff just brushing your teeth Of course John, you must be fit from sitting behind your desk and posting on this forum 24  7.. I'm fairly fit Ian. In fact, I spent most of today working outside. If you think I'm on here 24/7 the perhaps you should seek help? Your fascination with me is affecting your cognitive abilities

Work for dole ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 10:59pm:

Work for dole Wink

sometimes it feels like it  :D :D

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 11:01pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:59pm: Work for dole Wink sometimes it feels like it  :D :D

well then you need to get smarter Johnny boy. I just made $150,000 overnight. Vendor wasnt aware land had been re zoned. I didnt have to crawl under a structurally unsound house to get it either. In fact I bought the property unseen. Up here for thinking John, down there for dancing.

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 11:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:01pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:59pm: Work for dole Wink sometimes it feels like it  :D :D well then you need to get smarter Johnny boy. I just made $150,000 overnight. Vendor wasnt aware land had been re zoned. I didnt have to crawl under a structurally unsound house to get it either. In fact I bought the property unseen. Up here for thinking John, down there for dancing.

Wow Ian - you did OK.

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 11:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:01pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:59pm: Work for dole Wink sometimes it feels like it  :D :D well then you need to get smarter Johnny boy. I just made $150,000 overnight. Vendor wasnt aware land had been re zoned. I didnt have to crawl under a structurally unsound house to get it either. In fact I bought the property unseen. Up here for thinking John, down there for dancing.

so you bought it and sold it overnight Ian? I think you're  full of sh1t. You haven't made anything. All you did was spend a few hundred thou.

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 11:30pm:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:07pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:01pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:59pm: Work for dole Wink sometimes it feels like it  :D :D well then you need to get smarter Johnny boy. I just made $150,000 overnight. Vendor wasnt aware land had been re zoned. I didnt have to crawl under a structurally unsound house to get it either. In fact I bought the property unseen. Up here for thinking John, down there for dancing. so you bought it and sold it overnight Ian? I think you're  full of sh1t. You haven't made anything. All you did was spend a few hundred thou.

John - you're jealous -
we have a property mogul on Ozpolitic.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 11:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:30pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:07pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:01pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:59pm: Work for dole Wink sometimes it feels like it  :D :D well then you need to get smarter Johnny boy. I just made $150,000 overnight. Vendor wasnt aware land had been re zoned. I didnt have to crawl under a structurally unsound house to get it either. In fact I bought the property unseen. Up here for thinking John, down there for dancing. so you bought it and sold it overnight Ian? I think you're  full of sh1t. You haven't made anything. All you did was spend a few hundred thou. John - you're jealous - we have a property mogul on Ozpolitic.

no Bobby, not jealous  ... but you don't make money by buying property. No matter how it's re- zoned. The profit comes when you SELL it.

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 11:30pm:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:07pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:01pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:59pm: Work for dole Wink sometimes it feels like it  :D :D well then you need to get smarter Johnny boy. I just made $150,000 overnight. Vendor wasnt aware land had been re zoned. I didnt have to crawl under a structurally unsound house to get it either. In fact I bought the property unseen. Up here for thinking John, down there for dancing. so you bought it and sold it overnight Ian? I think you're  full of sh1t. You haven't made anything. All you did was spend a few hundred thou.

The resale was finalised this morning. I accepted the offer yesterday.The whole thing took 3 weeks. winner winner chicken dinner. Did it all on borrowed money and i have yet to step foot on the property.ii

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 11:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:30pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:07pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:01pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:59pm: Work for dole Wink sometimes it feels like it  :D :D well then you need to get smarter Johnny boy. I just made $150,000 overnight. Vendor wasnt aware land had been re zoned. I didnt have to crawl under a structurally unsound house to get it either. In fact I bought the property unseen. Up here for thinking John, down there for dancing. so you bought it and sold it overnight Ian? I think you're  full of sh1t. You haven't made anything. All you did was spend a few hundred thou. The resale was finalised this morning. I accepted the offer yesterday.The whole thing took 3 weeks. winner winner chicken dinner. Did it all on borrowed money.

3 weeks? Ohh, I thought you said overnight.  :D :D

yes the whole deal in which I made $150,000 took 3 weeks. What did you make the last 3 weeks John?

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 11:47pm:

yes the whole deal in which I made $150,000 took 3 weeks. What did you make the last 3 weeks John?

;D ;D ;D


good try Ian.

emoticons again John. They only show your urge to try to appear less inferior.

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 11:49pm:

emoticons again John. They only show your urge to try to appear less inferior.

No, we've already covered that. A laughing emoticon shows that I am laughing at you.

Ohh , and if you really felt superior, you wouldn't try astonishing me with your $150 000 profit (not quite ... but that's another story). You see, you wouldn't be trying to impress me (or anyone else) if you were so superior.

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 11:45pm:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:44pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:30pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:07pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:01pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:59pm: Work for dole Wink sometimes it feels like it  :D :D well then you need to get smarter Johnny boy. I just made $150,000 overnight. Vendor wasnt aware land had been re zoned. I didnt have to crawl under a structurally unsound house to get it either. In fact I bought the property unseen. Up here for thinking John, down there for dancing. so you bought it and sold it overnight Ian? I think you're  full of sh1t. You haven't made anything. All you did was spend a few hundred thou. The resale was finalised this morning. I accepted the offer yesterday.The whole thing took 3 weeks. winner winner chicken dinner. Did it all on borrowed money. 3 weeks? Ohh, I thought you said overnight.  :D :D

The deal took 3 weeks. The profit was realised overnight. You see John, maybe this is why you are not very successful. You have to learn to understand the basics but not get too involved in semantics. Concentration on semantics will hinder your decision making. He who dares wins John. Not he who stands around nitpicking. Im giving you this free advice because in all truth, i feel a little sorry for you. you seem to be desperately trying to wear big boy pants on this forum, you must have a sad little life. Anyway, no charge.iiii

John Smith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 11:55pm:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:49pm: emoticons again John. They only show your urge to try to appear less inferior. No, we've already covered that. A laughing emoticon shows that I am laughing at you. Ohh , and if you really felt superior, you wouldn't try astonishing me with your $150 000 profit (not quite ... but that's another story). You see, you wouldn't be trying to impress me (or anyone else) if you were so superior.

An emoticon shows you have nothing to say John. And a series of them shows you are trying to over compensate. Dont squirm, it only makes the web tighter. We all have egos john. im no different. Just felt like telling someone, a nobody like you on the internet seemed appropriate. Nothing to do with trying to impress you. please, dont flatter yourself.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 11:12pm:

ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:07pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:01pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:59pm: Work for dole Wink sometimes it feels like it  :D :D well then you need to get smarter Johnny boy. I just made $150,000 overnight. Vendor wasnt aware land had been re zoned. I didnt have to crawl under a structurally unsound house to get it either. In fact I bought the property unseen. Up here for thinking John, down there for dancing. Wow Ian - you did OK.

Wow, I have never had a windfall like that.

Going to buy yourself a 'well done' gift ?

ian wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 11:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:30pm: ian wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:07pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:01pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:59pm: Work for dole Wink sometimes it feels like it  :D :D well then you need to get smarter Johnny boy. I just made $150,000 overnight. Vendor wasnt aware land had been re zoned. I didnt have to crawl under a structurally unsound house to get it either. In fact I bought the property unseen. Up here for thinking John, down there for dancing. so you bought it and sold it overnight Ian? I think you're  full of sh1t. You haven't made anything. All you did was spend a few hundred thou. The resale was finalised this morning. I accepted the offer yesterday.The whole thing took 3 weeks. winner winner chicken dinner. Did it all on borrowed money and i have yet to step foot on the property.

Will the mean you'll get hit with CGT?

I just spoke to another builder:

He says the house might be able to be saved without too much cost.
He would need to dig down to below the level of the bricks  -
even pull some bricks out & have a look
to see what's going on.
The most likely cause was stale cement - out of date -
past it's expiry date - was used by a bodgy builder.
He reckons I need to get a quote from a good bricky before considering to buy it.
He would need to check for any rotten wood behind the bricks.




http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/IMG_5577_a.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 7:21am:

I just spoke to another builder: He says the house might be able to be saved without too much cost. He would need to dig down to below the level of the bricks  - even pull some bricks out & have a look to see what's going on. The most likely cause was stale cement - out of date - past it's expiry date - was used by a bodgy builder. He reckons I need to get a quote from a good bricky before considering to buy it. He would need to check for any rotten wood behind the bricks. http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/IMG_5577_a.jpg

Is it a supporting wall ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 7:33am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 7:21am: I just spoke to another builder: He says the house might be able to be saved without too much cost. He would need to dig down to below the level of the bricks  - even pull some bricks out & have a look to see what's going on. The most likely cause was stale cement - out of date - past it's expiry date - was used by a bodgy builder. He reckons I need to get a quote from a good bricky before considering to buy it. He would need to check for any rotten wood behind the bricks. http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/IMG_5577_a.jpg Is it a supporting wall ?

No - it's brick veneer.
The house loads are held up by a wooden frame.
The only load bearing is holding the weight of the bricks above
the wall.
It's strange how the whole brick wall doesn't collapse
under it's own weight.

ian wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 12:00am:

An emoticon shows you have nothing to say John. And a series of them shows you are trying to over compensate.

no IAN, a series of them means that I'm laughing and not just having a chuckle. you'd best stick to what you know best  ...  amateur psychology certainly doesn't appear to be your topic.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 7:48am:

It's strange how the whole brick wall doesn't collapse

it's tied in to the wall .. and despite the mortar missing in many places, the bricks are still there to hold the weight from above. As long as you don't remove too many at once it won't fall down

ian wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 12:00am:

. Just felt like telling someone, a nobody like you on the internet seemed appropriate. Nothing to do with trying to impress you. please, dont flatter yourself.

you can't even be honest with yourself. If you weren't trying to impress, you wouldn't tell anyone, especially anonymous posters on the internet.  Apart from Andrei, have you ever seen anyone else on heretalk about how much money they make? You think you're the only one to make money? ? Do you want to know why no one feels the need to discuss it? it's because they have no need to impress you. :D :D

John Smith wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 7:48am: It's strange how the whole brick wall doesn't collapse it's tied in to the wall .. and despite the mortar missing in many places, the bricks are still there to hold the weight from above. As long as you don't remove too many at once it won't fall down

Some bricks are not holding any weight -
they are just sitting  there with a huge gap.

It makes me wonder that if you did move 4 or 5 bricks whether
the wall would start to crack & eventually come down.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 9:04am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 7:48am: It's strange how the whole brick wall doesn't collapse it's tied in to the wall .. and despite the mortar missing in many places, the bricks are still there to hold the weight from above. As long as you don't remove too many at once it won't fall down Some bricks are not holding any weight - they are just sitting  there with a huge gap. It makes me wonder that if you did move 4 or 5 bricks whether the wall would start to crack & eventually come down.

eventually it would. Ever play Jenga Bobby? Much the same principle

John Smith wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 8:07pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 9:04am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 7:48am: It's strange how the whole brick wall doesn't collapse it's tied in to the wall .. and despite the mortar missing in many places, the bricks are still there to hold the weight from above. As long as you don't remove too many at once it won't fall down Some bricks are not holding any weight - they are just sitting  there with a huge gap. It makes me wonder that if you did move 4 or 5 bricks whether the wall would start to crack & eventually come down. eventually it would. Ever play Jenga Bobby? Much the same principle

No but it reminds me of why an archway in a tunnel doesn't fall down.
Maybe this is the same principle?


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Arch_tunnel_by_Dumbarton_High_Street_-_geograph.org.uk_-_620178.jpg