http://www.news.com.au/national/investigation-finds-katrina-dawson-killed-by-police-during-shootout-at-martin-place-sources-claim/story-fncynjr2-1227181007443

Investigation finds Katrina Dawson killed by police during shootout at Martin Place, sources claim
2 HOURS AGO JANUARY 11, 2015 5:35AM

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The good guys (police) became the bad guys (paramilitary) when the citizen's became the enemy of the state.

that is totally cruel.........she was shot by the police but Monis killed her....lets try and be a litttle fair nothing will bring her back.

no one can change what monis started....the end result is entirely his

cods wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:51am:

that is totally cruel.........she was shot by the police but Monis killed her....lets try and be a litttle fair nothing will bring her back. no one can change what monis started....the end result is entirely his

many blessings

you are a great repeater

facts are truth and look at these

your mainstream lamestream medias are reporting

in your face the police shot her.. thats the headline

with your own eyes you see this yet

you say the police did not kill katrina dawson

you fail to focus on fact and truth

you are forgiven for confusions

namaste

a richochet according to the now leaked report. which would make this thread slander.

It's bad luck that the bullet came out of the police issue gun.

It's what we call collateral damage.

Anyone have a link to the autopsy report that hasn't been released?

Did one of the pregnant hostages say Mrs Dawson died shielding her from Monis?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

It's bad luck that the bullet came out of the police issue gun. It's what we call collateral damage.

Yes Dame master Pansi,
master Light should be talking about how many hostages the police saved rather than dwelling on this terrible accident.

he is forgiven

namaste

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:04am:

The good guys (police) became the bad guys (paramilitary) when the citizen's became the enemy of the state.

except when you need them to protect you, then they are the good guys .

Bobby. wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:23am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 9:16am: It's bad luck that the bullet came out of the police issue gun. It's what we call collateral damage. Yes Dame master Pansi, master Light should be talking about how many hostages the police saved rather than dwelling on this terrible accident. he is forgiven namaste

what he should be doing is taking his charges directly to those concerned instead of being a slanderous coward here in cyberspace.

i bet the first thing light does when he hears a noise at night is call the police to come to his rescue.

If they were smart they'd ignore him

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

i bet the first thing light does when he hears a noise at night is call the police to come to his rescue. If they were smart they'd ignore him

You are confused.

master Light claims he never lives in fear.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 9:28am: i bet the first thing light does when he hears a noise at night is call the police to come to his rescue. If they were smart they'd ignore him You are confused. master Light claims he never lives in fear.

only stupid people have no fear

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 9:34am: John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 9:28am: i bet the first thing light does when he hears a noise at night is call the police to come to his rescue. If they were smart they'd ignore him You are confused. master Light claims he never lives in fear. only stupid people have no fear

Well then Light's claim of 'never living in fear' is probably correct..... ;D ;D

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:09am:

cods wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 8:51am: that is totally cruel.........she was shot by the police but Monis killed her....lets try and be a litttle fair nothing will bring her back. no one can change what monis started....the end result is entirely his many blessings you are a great repeater facts are truth and look at these your mainstream lamestream medias are reporting in your face the police shot her.. thats the headline with your own eyes you see this yet you say the police did not kill katrina dawson you fail to focus on fact and truth you are forgiven for confusions namaste

the police would not have been there but for monis

I realise this is hard for you to comprehend....

the police did have a choice when it came to the car chase........but a siege.. they have no choice...

we sit back and we leave it to them........

unless you feel like rushing in of course... I havent seen you do that though

ian wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:11am:

a richochet according to the now leaked report. which would make this thread slander.

prove it .

you are in lack for the police bullet hit and killed dawson

you are delusional .

and forgiven

namaste

cods wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 9:09am: cods wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 8:51am: that is totally cruel.........she was shot by the police but Monis killed her....lets try and be a litttle fair nothing will bring her back. no one can change what monis started....the end result is entirely his many blessings you are a great repeater facts are truth and look at these your mainstream lamestream medias are reporting in your face the police shot her.. thats the headline with your own eyes you see this yet you say the police did not kill katrina dawson you fail to focus on fact and truth you are forgiven for confusions namaste the police would not have been there but for monis I realise this is hard for you to comprehend.... the police did have a choice when it came to the car chase........but a siege.. they have no choice... we sit back and we leave it to them........ unless you feel like rushing in of course... I havent seen you do that though

yes for you have eyes yet do not see

this was predicted .

namaste

http://www.news.com.au/national/investigation-finds-katrina-dawson-killed-by-police-during-shootout-at-martin-place-sources-claim/story-fncynjr2-1227181007443

Investigation finds Katrina Dawson killed by police during shootout at Martin Place, sources claim
2 HOURS AGO JANUARY 11, 2015 5:35AM

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yes that the news headline ,

read it again ...

many are confused and so be it

you are forgiven

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:44am:

ian wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 9:11am: a richochet according to the now leaked report. which would make this thread slander. prove it . you are in lack for the police bullet hit and killed dawson you are delusional . and forgiven namaste

you are only happy blaming the police...

but I bet if someone held you up with a gun...whilst you were in a cafe drinking a cup of coffee you would scream blue murder for a cop...

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:44am:

ian wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 9:11am: a richochet according to the now leaked report. which would make this thread slander. prove it . you are in lack for the police bullet hit and killed dawson you are delusional . and forgiven namaste

Not one for reality are you.......a ricochet which struck her caused the lady to suffer a heart attack.

This thread is totally disrespectful of the two people who lost their lives. The police resolved the situation the only way possible under the circumstances.

Resolute wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 10:44am: ian wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 9:11am: a richochet according to the now leaked report. which would make this thread slander. prove it . you are in lack for the police bullet hit and killed dawson you are delusional . and forgiven namaste Not one for reality are you.......a ricochet which struck her caused the lady to suffer a heart attack. This thread is totally disrespectful of the two people who lost their lives. The police resolved the situation the only way possible under the circumstances.

Quite right & welcome to a new member with common sense.

Resolute wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

This thread is totally disrespectful of the two people who lost their lives. The police resolved the situation the only way possible under the circumstances.

Totally agree.

If the police did nothing and more hostages were killed they would be damned.  Damned if they did or damned if they didn't.

We are relatively new to situations like this and it's obviously easy for us all to sit back and read the headlines and make our rash judgments but the reality of living these situations is entirely something different and judgment calls have to be made by those at the scene on the spur of the moment. 

It was a very unfortunate and sad thing to happen but when it comes down to the bottom line there is only one person to blame and that is Monis. 

http://www.news.com.au/national/investigation-finds-katrina-dawson-killed-by-police-during-shootout-at-martin-place-sources-claim/story-fncynjr2-1227181007443

Investigation finds Katrina Dawson killed by police during shootout at Martin Place, sources claim
2 HOURS AGO JANUARY 11, 2015 5:35AM

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yes that is the news headline ,

read it again ...

many are confused and so be it

you are forgiven

namaste

Resolute wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 10:44am: ian wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 9:11am: a richochet according to the now leaked report. which would make this thread slander. prove it . you are in lack for the police bullet hit and killed dawson you are delusional . and forgiven namaste Not one for reality are you.......a ricochet which struck her caused the lady to suffer a heart attack. This thread is totally disrespectful of the two people who lost their lives. The police resolved the situation the only way possible under the circumstances.

yes read the news headline we know

they killed her

namaste

cods wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

the police did have a choice when it came to the car chase........but a siege.. they have no choice...

Well actually, the police do have a choice. Perhaps the only time they don't have a choice is if a gun is pointed at them. Up till then, they do have a choice to withhold their fire.

They chose to fire into the cafe, without having a clear shot, and without knowing the full circumstance inside. That was their choice.

Monis also made a choice to go into a cafe with a gun and point it at people.

Tony Abbott also made a choice not to speak to the gunman. Perhaps the gunman would have let the hostages go if Abbott had conceded to his demand to speak to him. Of course this might (slim chance) encourage others to take hostages in order to have a word with Abbott. Still Abbott also made a choice.

Many choices were made that day - were any of them right?

The usual selection of the disaffected, sad excuses for citizens of this great country airing their usual hatred of the police and law & order generally.

Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

Tony Abbott also made a choice not to speak to the gunman. Perhaps the gunman would have let the hostages go if Abbott had conceded to his demand to speak to him. Of course this might (slim chance) encourage others to take hostages in order to have a word with Abbott. Still Abbott also made a choice. Many choices were made that day - were any of them right?

From what I understood Abbott didn't make that choice, the negotiators did not allow Abbott to speak with Monis because it could have been a opportunity for Monis to kill the hostages with a higher profile.

I could be wrong here but have you any link to where Abbott made that call.

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

The usual selection of the disaffected, sad excuses for citizens of this great country airing their usual hatred of the police and law & order generally.

look there is no hatred ...

the police killed dawson

this is fact

many are confused

and these are forgiven

namaste

here it is again

read the headline

the police killed her

anyway you spin it this matters not

many attack the messenger of the news report

the truth is fact

and facts are truths

and so be it

namaste



it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 12:30pm:

http://www.news.com.au/national/investigation-finds-katrina-dawson-killed-by-police-during-shootout-at-martin-place-sources-claim/story-fncynjr2-1227181007443 Investigation finds Katrina Dawson killed by police during shootout at Martin Place, sources claim 2 HOURS AGO JANUARY 11, 2015 5:35AM http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2015/01/11/1227181/008271-09c4cffa-98f7-11e4-a5a9-b4e8644e9682.jpg http://www.illuminatiagenda.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/post-patriot-act-police.jpg yes that is the news headline , read it again ... many are confused and so be it you are forgiven namaste

the police killed dawson and so

are the police going to get away with murder here ?

is the society allowing this to go unpunished ?

are police above the law ?

are they licenced to kill ?

many dupes would give them that right .

and these are confused and consequently ,

forgiven

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 12:54pm: The usual selection of the disaffected, sad excuses for citizens of this great country airing their usual hatred of the police and law & order generally. look there is no hatred ... the police killed dawson this is fact many are confused and these are forgiven namaste

So do you ring up the cops when somebody breaks in fools around with your ouji board.

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

look there is no hatred ... the police killed dawson this is fact many are confused and these are forgiven namaste

You quote a headline as fact, that's fine and that's what you believe. Is a headline designed to relay facts or to catch attention from readers. How do you react to headlines, do you take them as facts or do you see them as sensationalised claims to increase readership. Just asking.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 12:50pm: Tony Abbott also made a choice not to speak to the gunman. Perhaps the gunman would have let the hostages go if Abbott had conceded to his demand to speak to him. Of course this might (slim chance) encourage others to take hostages in order to have a word with Abbott. Still Abbott also made a choice. Many choices were made that day - were any of them right? From what I understood Abbott didn't make that choice, the negotiators did not allow Abbott to speak with Monis because it could have been a opportunity for Monis to kill the hostages with a higher profile. I could be wrong here but have you any link to where Abbott made that call.

The negotiators "did not allow" the prime minister to speak?

Are you smoking the devil's lettuce or what?

Who do you think is in charge of this country, the police or the PM?

Abbott made a choice allegedly based on police advice on what police allegedly thought.


Quote:

Mr Abbott confirmed that the hostage taker did demand to speak to him on Monday during the siege. The prime minister was prepared to do whatever the police thought best in the circumstances. “The advice from police was to have no contact with him,” Mr Abbott said. http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-wants-to-know-why-sydney-hostage-taker-man-haron-monis-had-a-gun-licence/story-fncynjr2-1227158943800

It would be brave of him to ignore police advice. But still, he made a choice.

**

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:16pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:11pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 12:54pm: The usual selection of the disaffected, sad excuses for citizens of this great country airing their usual hatred of the police and law & order generally. look there is no hatred ... the police killed dawson this is fact many are confused and these are forgiven namaste So do you ring up the cops when somebody breaks in fools around with your ouji board.

you are still confused attempting to make another story up ,

which is not true .. to hide the fact that the police killed dawson

you will face the fact of this truth ..

its in your papers and news medias the finding is

she was hit by a police bullet

namaste

So the police chose not to have Abbott talk to Monis.

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:20pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:16pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:11pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 12:54pm: The usual selection of the disaffected, sad excuses for citizens of this great country airing their usual hatred of the police and law & order generally. look there is no hatred ... the police killed dawson this is fact many are confused and these are forgiven namaste So do you ring up the cops when somebody breaks in fools around with your ouji board. you are still confused attempting to make another story up , which is not true .. to hide the fact that the police killed dawson you will face the fact of this truth .. its in your papers and news medias the finding is she was hit by a police bullet namaste

People have known that from day 1. So what?? But people also understand it was a bad situation where Monis said he was wired with a bomb. It's alright to sit at your computer screen to judge a heavy situation you didn't have to be part of.

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

the police killed dawson and so are the police going to get away with murder here ? is the society allowing this to go unpunished ? are police above the law ? are they licenced to kill ? many dupes would give them that right . and these are confused and consequently , forgiven namaste

So what should happen here, what do you want to happen.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:13pm: the police killed dawson and so are the police going to get away with murder here ? is the society allowing this to go unpunished ? are police above the law ? are they licenced to kill ? many dupes would give them that right . and these are confused and consequently , forgiven namaste So what should happen here, what do you want to happen.

whoa slow down ...

first you must admit the police shot dawson

and now .. what should happen upon as much ?

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:44pm:

whoa slow down ... first you must admit the police shot dawson and now .. what should happen upon as much ? namaste

Did the police shoot Dawson or was she hit by a richocheting bullet fired by a police officer.

What should happen is they should do a thourogh investigation.

Quote:

Did the police shoot Dawson or was she hit by a richocheting bullet fired by a police officer.

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 6:49am:

http://www.news.com.au/national/investigation-finds-katrina-dawson-killed-by-police-during-shootout-at-martin-place-sources-claim/story-fncynjr2-1227181007443 Investigation finds Katrina Dawson killed by police during shootout at Martin Place, sources claim 2 HOURS AGO JANUARY 11, 2015 5:35AM http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2015/01/11/1227181/008271-09c4cffa-98f7-11e4-a5a9-b4e8644e9682.jpg http://www.illuminatiagenda.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/post-patriot-act-police.jpg

From your source.


Quote:

The Sunday Telegraph reports that Ms Dawson, 38, was struck by police fire that was not a direct shot and possibly a ricochet, when Tactical Operations Unit officers stormed the cafe just after 2am on December 16.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

From your source. Quote: The Sunday Telegraph reports that Ms Dawson, 38, was struck by police fire that was not a direct shot and possibly a ricochet, when Tactical Operations Unit officers stormed the cafe just after 2am on December 16.

yes that is the news report police did the killing .

the investigation found katrina dawson killed by police

read it again if you cannot see that

and so they get off ? licence to kill ?



namaste

Steampipe wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:

So the police chose not to have Abbott talk to Monis.

..and Abbott chose to allow them to have that choice.

Abbott could easily have said: "thanks for your advice, but I will speak to him in the hope that he will then let the hostages go"

Abbott chose to go with the police advice.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

Did the police shoot Dawson or was she hit by a richocheting bullet fired by a police officer.

Either way, it suggests that police may have acted recklessly by firing into the cafe when they did not have a clear shot.

Firing into a cafe full of people without a clear shot is very likely to put life in danger.

Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 3:02pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:54pm: Did the police shoot Dawson or was she hit by a richocheting bullet fired by a police officer. Either way, it suggests that police may have acted recklessly by firing into the cafe when they did not have a clear shot. Firing into a cafe full of people without a clear shot is very likely to put life in danger.

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Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 2:59pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 1:21pm: So the police chose not to have Abbott talk to Monis. ..and Abbott chose to allow them to have that choice. Abbott could easily have said: "thanks for your advice, but I will speak to him in the hope that he will then let the hostages go" Abbott chose to go with the police advice.

many blessings and yes

we have observed the form guide on this abbott

and this one is lame and running on a dead track

taking more advice here and running for the door

with the mincing poodle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osID-_Zi-1I

Tony Abbott (and Christopher Pyne) running from Parliament to avoid accepting Craig Thomson's vote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kny8qwebzK4

Run Abbott Run

keep voting and voting and voting

giving your power away to these criminals

for every time you vote you consent ..

for this ye are forgiven

namaste

http://www.news.com.au/national/investigation-finds-katrina-dawson-killed-by-police-during-shootout-at-martin-place/story-fncynjr2-1227181007443

Investigation finds Katrina Dawson ‘killed by police’ during shootout at Martin Place
21 HOURS AGO JANUARY 11, 2015 1:06P

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http://www.news.com.au/national/man-dies-in-police-custody-after-being-tasered-at-mcdonalds/story-fncynjr2-1227181875079

Man dies in police custody after being tasered at McDonalds
6 HOURS AGO JANUARY 12, 2015 9:13AM

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A man has died after being tasered by police. Source: Supplied
THE man who died in police custody after being tasered by police had been “mixing with the wrong crowd” but was trying to get his life back on track, his devastated brother says.
Kevin Norris, 38, died in police custody after being tasered by officers at a McDonald’s restaurant in Bowral in New South Wales’ Southern Highlands.
Police were called to the fast food restaurant shortly before 9.30pm on Sunday after Mr Norris claimed he had been attacked and then became engaged in a confrontation with officers.
He was arrested and taken to Bowral Police Station where he died a short time later.
“He had problems his whole life, mixing with the wrong crowd,” an emotional David Norris, 32, said.
“But a couple of years ago he started getting his life back on track and doing well for himself.” “He was working every day, got a licence, got his first car.” He said his big brother had just moved to Mittagong from Gunning, about 130km away, to be with his girlfriend.

I wonder if he was high on drugs.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

I wonder if he was high on drugs.

He was in a McDonald's restaurant, so there's a good chance.

I hope the two policemen he put in hospital with head injuries are OK.

I wonder what some muslim loser is going to do next? Get another poor girl killed perhaps?

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

I wonder what some muslim loser is going to do next? Get another poor girl killed perhaps?

You've wandered into the wrong thread again, Max.

The Islamophobes are over there  --------------------------->

http://www.news.com.au/world/video-of-us-police-officer-breaking-down-after-shooting-dead-unarmed-suspect/story-fndir2ev-1227181954286

Video of US police officer breaking down after shooting dead unarmed suspect
7 HOURS AGO JANUARY 12, 2015 10:37AM

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Devastating moments after Cop shoots unarmed suspect caught on camera
Devastating moments after Cop shoots unarmed suspect caught on camera
A VIDEO has emerged of a distraught US police officer breaking down moments after he shot an unarmed suspect three times.
Montana police officer Grant Morrison killed Richard Ramirez, 38, in April last year after he thought he saw Ramirez reach for a gun.
Ramirez was high on methamphetamine at the time and was riding in the back seat of a car.
In video evidence shown during a two-day inquest, the officer asks Ramirez to raise his hands six times before he opens fire.
“I knew in that moment, which later was determined to be untrue, but I knew in that moment he was reaching for a gun,” Morrison said in his coroner’s court testimony.
“I couldn’t take that risk ... I wanted to see my son grow up.”
Last week video emerged showing Morrison immediately after the shooting being comforted by his fellow officers. A dashcam on an officer’s car shows Morrison walking towards the vehicle before appearing to collapsing just off the screen.

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Morrison being comforted by other officers. Source: YouTube

ideo did not show Ramirez’s actions at the time but Morrison told a coroner’s jury at Yellowstone County Courthouse that the man dropped his left hand to his side, which was out of his view, and “started to jiggle it up and down”.
Two bags containing a small amount of methamphetamine and a syringe were later found near where Ramirez had been sitting.
The coroner’s jury ruled last week that his death was a noncriminal, justifiable homicide. Morrison, who was also cleared of all wrongdoing in another shooting in 2013, was found to be justified in his actions.

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A mug shot of Richard Ramirez. Source: Supplied

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

http://www.news.com.au/national/man-dies-in-police-custody-after-being-tasered-at-mcdonalds/story-fncynjr2-1227181875079 Man dies in police custody after being tasered at McDonalds 6 HOURS AGO JANUARY 12, 2015 9:13AM https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7GhgvSIMAAaWIS.png A man has died after being tasered by police. Source: Supplied THE man who died in police custody after being tasered by police had been “mixing with the wrong crowd” but was trying to get his life back on track, his devastated brother says. Kevin Norris, 38, died in police custody after being tasered by officers at a McDonald’s restaurant in Bowral in New South Wales’ Southern Highlands. Police were called to the fast food restaurant shortly before 9.30pm on Sunday after Mr Norris claimed he had been attacked and then became engaged in a confrontation with officers. He was arrested and taken to Bowral Police Station where he died a short time later. “He had problems his whole life, mixing with the wrong crowd,” an emotional David Norris, 32, said. “But a couple of years ago he started getting his life back on track and doing well for himself.” “He was working every day, got a licence, got his first car.” He said his big brother had just moved to Mittagong from Gunning, about 130km away, to be with his girlfriend.

Will the policeman be charged with murder?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 2:40pm: http://www.news.com.au/national/man-dies-in-police-custody-after-being-tasered-at-mcdonalds/story-fncynjr2-1227181875079 Man dies in police custody after being tasered at McDonalds 6 HOURS AGO JANUARY 12, 2015 9:13AM https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7GhgvSIMAAaWIS.png A man has died after being tasered by police. Source: Supplied THE man who died in police custody after being tasered by police had been “mixing with the wrong crowd” but was trying to get his life back on track, his devastated brother says. Kevin Norris, 38, died in police custody after being tasered by officers at a McDonald’s restaurant in Bowral in New South Wales’ Southern Highlands. Police were called to the fast food restaurant shortly before 9.30pm on Sunday after Mr Norris claimed he had been attacked and then became engaged in a confrontation with officers. He was arrested and taken to Bowral Police Station where he died a short time later. “He had problems his whole life, mixing with the wrong crowd,” an emotional David Norris, 32, said. “But a couple of years ago he started getting his life back on track and doing well for himself.” “He was working every day, got a licence, got his first car.” He said his big brother had just moved to Mittagong from Gunning, about 130km away, to be with his girlfriend. Will the policeman be charged with murder?

No, of course not..the very best they 'could' be charged with is 'manslaughter', but even that is a stretch..since the idiot was confrontational etc...

No need for a autopsy to see why he died first?.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 4:41pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 2:40pm: http://www.news.com.au/national/man-dies-in-police-custody-after-being-tasered-at-mcdonalds/story-fncynjr2-1227181875079 Man dies in police custody after being tasered at McDonalds 6 HOURS AGO JANUARY 12, 2015 9:13AM https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7GhgvSIMAAaWIS.png A man has died after being tasered by police. Source: Supplied THE man who died in police custody after being tasered by police had been “mixing with the wrong crowd” but was trying to get his life back on track, his devastated brother says. Kevin Norris, 38, died in police custody after being tasered by officers at a McDonald’s restaurant in Bowral in New South Wales’ Southern Highlands. Police were called to the fast food restaurant shortly before 9.30pm on Sunday after Mr Norris claimed he had been attacked and then became engaged in a confrontation with officers. He was arrested and taken to Bowral Police Station where he died a short time later. “He had problems his whole life, mixing with the wrong crowd,” an emotional David Norris, 32, said. “But a couple of years ago he started getting his life back on track and doing well for himself.” “He was working every day, got a licence, got his first car.” He said his big brother had just moved to Mittagong from Gunning, about 130km away, to be with his girlfriend. Will the policeman be charged with murder? No, of course not..the very best they 'could' be charged with is 'manslaughter', but even that is a stretch..since the idiot was confrontational etc...

many blessings this may have merit

best to not lose your honour

and inform the policeman their life is not in any danger

when conversing with them ..

and with respect yes these are beloved brother sister beings

" programmed " how to act and armed to the teeth

so a little respect is prudent

love and light

namaste

Steampipe wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

No need for a autopsy to see why he died first?.

Well yes, but that really won't matter the 'usual' anti-police squad, will it???

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 4:48pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 4:41pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 2:40pm: http://www.news.com.au/national/man-dies-in-police-custody-after-being-tasered-at-mcdonalds/story-fncynjr2-1227181875079 Man dies in police custody after being tasered at McDonalds 6 HOURS AGO JANUARY 12, 2015 9:13AM https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7GhgvSIMAAaWIS.png A man has died after being tasered by police. Source: Supplied THE man who died in police custody after being tasered by police had been “mixing with the wrong crowd” but was trying to get his life back on track, his devastated brother says. Kevin Norris, 38, died in police custody after being tasered by officers at a McDonald’s restaurant in Bowral in New South Wales’ Southern Highlands. Police were called to the fast food restaurant shortly before 9.30pm on Sunday after Mr Norris claimed he had been attacked and then became engaged in a confrontation with officers. He was arrested and taken to Bowral Police Station where he died a short time later. “He had problems his whole life, mixing with the wrong crowd,” an emotional David Norris, 32, said. “But a couple of years ago he started getting his life back on track and doing well for himself.” “He was working every day, got a licence, got his first car.” He said his big brother had just moved to Mittagong from Gunning, about 130km away, to be with his girlfriend. Will the policeman be charged with murder? No, of course not..the very best they 'could' be charged with is 'manslaughter', but even that is a stretch..since the idiot was confrontational etc... many blessings this may have merit best to not lose your honour and inform the policeman their life is not in any danger when conversing with them .. and with respect yes these are beloved brother sister beings " programmed " how to act and armed to the teeth so a little respect is prudent love and light namaste

respect = fear

from master Light.     :o

Bobby. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 4:54pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 4:48pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 4:41pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 2:40pm: http://www.news.com.au/national/man-dies-in-police-custody-after-being-tasered-at-mcdonalds/story-fncynjr2-1227181875079 Man dies in police custody after being tasered at McDonalds 6 HOURS AGO JANUARY 12, 2015 9:13AM https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7GhgvSIMAAaWIS.png A man has died after being tasered by police. Source: Supplied THE man who died in police custody after being tasered by police had been “mixing with the wrong crowd” but was trying to get his life back on track, his devastated brother says. Kevin Norris, 38, died in police custody after being tasered by officers at a McDonald’s restaurant in Bowral in New South Wales’ Southern Highlands. Police were called to the fast food restaurant shortly before 9.30pm on Sunday after Mr Norris claimed he had been attacked and then became engaged in a confrontation with officers. He was arrested and taken to Bowral Police Station where he died a short time later. “He had problems his whole life, mixing with the wrong crowd,” an emotional David Norris, 32, said. “But a couple of years ago he started getting his life back on track and doing well for himself.” “He was working every day, got a licence, got his first car.” He said his big brother had just moved to Mittagong from Gunning, about 130km away, to be with his girlfriend. Will the policeman be charged with murder? No, of course not..the very best they 'could' be charged with is 'manslaughter', but even that is a stretch..since the idiot was confrontational etc... many blessings this may have merit best to not lose your honour and inform the policeman their life is not in any danger when conversing with them .. and with respect yes these are beloved brother sister beings " programmed " how to act and armed to the teeth so a little respect is prudent love and light namaste respect = fear from master Light.     :o

since when is showing respect .. fear

it is quite courteous to do as much

and you think this is fear ...

which may make sense for you believe you need ' fear to fight fear ' end quote

you are forgiven

namaste

So your children fear you master light.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

So your children fear you master light.

LOL, 'children'????? Read his posts...there is NO way that 'master Light' would ever have been in a situation that could have resulted in children...

After all, blow up dolls (and sheep) can't get pregnant from humans..

Got a link to the autopsy results Mr Light is on but nobody is home

master Light,

Quote:

since when is showing respect .. fear it is quite courteous to do as much and you think this is fear ... which may make sense for you believe you need ' fear to fight fear ' end quote you are forgiven namaste

I thought I detected fear from the fearless.

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

master Light, Quote: since when is showing respect .. fear it is quite courteous to do as much and you think this is fear ... which may make sense for you believe you need ' fear to fight fear ' end quote you are forgiven namaste I thought I detected fear from the fearless. namaste

many blessings sir bobby you stand corrected

with forgiveness

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 6:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 6:18pm: master Light, Quote: since when is showing respect .. fear it is quite courteous to do as much and you think this is fear ... which may make sense for you believe you need ' fear to fight fear ' end quote you are forgiven namaste I thought I detected fear from the fearless. namaste many blessings sir bobby you stand corrected with forgiveness namaste

Thank you master Light,

may I suggest forgiveness unto the police?

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 6:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 6:18pm: master Light, Quote: since when is showing respect .. fear it is quite courteous to do as much and you think this is fear ... which may make sense for you believe you need ' fear to fight fear ' end quote you are forgiven namaste I thought I detected fear from the fearless. namaste many blessings sir bobby you stand corrected with forgiveness namaste Thank you master Light, may I suggest forgiveness unto the police? namaste

many blessings sir bobby

what happened to your rope ?

are you suggesting you are done with the hangings ?

namaste

Quote:

many blessings sir bobby what happened to your rope ? are you suggesting you are done with the hangings ? namaste

may thee answer first - my question unto thee?

namaste

many blessings

are you in confusion ?

have ye heard or seen one such as I am not forgive ?

what gives rise that one such as you are should entertain such fantasy ?

goodness gracious all are forgiven yes now you may answer

namaste

many have seen you have forgiven the veal addict weekender .. and so yes and verily

all are forgiven with so very much love

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 8:04pm:

many have seen you have forgiven the veal addict weekender .. and so yes and verily all are forgiven with so very much love namaste

Maybe I should no longer entertain the rope as a solution for all crime & evil.

What then should replace it - forgiveness?

I thought it pretty obvious that the police had accidently shot that poor woman, but I still applaud the police for the restraint that they showed until such time as it was completely necessary to take risky action. They did one helluva job of living up to the public's expectations in that situation IMO,

Mind you. I've always been critical of the police, but I think they obeyed to wider opinion and became our servants more than I'd seen or experienced in the past.

Unfortunately, there is one member of the police force doing it pretty hard atm. And that's what  I expect of them. Nothing more, nothing less.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 8:32pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 8:04pm: many have seen you have forgiven the veal addict weekender .. and so yes and verily all are forgiven with so very much love namaste Maybe I should no longer entertain the rope as a solution for all crime & evil. What then should replace it - forgiveness?

many blessings look within for this answer

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 6:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 8:32pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 8:04pm: many have seen you have forgiven the veal addict weekender .. and so yes and verily all are forgiven with so very much love namaste Maybe I should no longer entertain the rope as a solution for all crime & evil. What then should replace it - forgiveness? many blessings look within for this answer namaste

De-programming may be the answer as per here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421064070/0#4

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25954888/was-the-government-misled-over-monis-police-siege-brief/

Was the government misled over Monis police siege brief?
Yahoo7 and Agencies
January 11, 2015, 7:30 am

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Police bullet hit Katrina Dawson: report
But it has since emerged that Mrs Dawson, 37, died after she was hit by bullet fragments from a police ­weapon.

State government ministers have reportedly raised concerns amid claims they were misled by NSW's top cops when they were briefed about bullets fired by Lindt Cafe gunman Man Haron Monis.

After the siege Deputy Commissioner Catherine Burn reportedly left cabinet members believing hostages Tori Johnson and Katrina Dawson were killed by Monis, reports News Corp.

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Deputy Commissioner Catherine Burn. Photo: AAP

A source has claimed that the high ranking police officer used words to the effect: “Do not be surprised if there were no police bullets in anyone.”

It is also being reported by Fairfax media that tensions are rising within the NSW Police force over the strategy they should have used on the day of the siege.

The police waited for hours and senior officers drew up a "direct action" plan, under which they would storm the cafe and take Monis by surprise.

Hours into the siege the plan was 'overruled by a command decision' reports Fairfax when Monis fired his first shot into the ceiling at 2.03am after six of the hostages escaped from the cafe.


Heart wrenching note from siege victim's daughter
Tori Johnson loved flowers, partner says
Thousands pay tribute at Martin Place
Monis executed Lindt Cafe manager Tory Johnson about 2.10am and NSW Police immediately stormed the cafe and through a blaze of gunfire they killed Monis.

It is understood two of the bullets fired by police ricocheted and hit Mrs Dawson, a mother-of-three and well respected lawyer, tragically killing her.

Fairfax media reports that multiple police sources have said Ms Dawson, 38, was struck by police fire that was not a direct shot and possibly a ricochet, when Tactical Operations Unit officers stormed the cafe just after 2am on December 16.

Monis had just executed another of the hostages, cafe manager Tori Johnson, at close range, and was killed in the shoot-out.

The circumstances surrounding the 16-hour Martin Place siege is still the subject of a critical incident investigation by the homicide squad.

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Martin Place has been flooded with flowers and the makeshift memorial continues growing. Photo: Getty

Was the government misled over Monis police siege brief?

This is just a story to have a story on a slow news day. Government misled over what, at the time of the incident there would have been information flying around and the police would not have had any idea that Dawson was hit by a ricochet until the autopsy. Preliminary reports are always going to contain incorrect information because of the nature of preliminary reports is to release information as it happens.

You could jump and down making a case for the government being misled but its all just for show.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:52pm:

This is just a story to have a story on a slow news day. Government misled over what, at the time of the incident there would have been information flying around and the police would not have had any idea that Dawson was hit by a ricochet until the autopsy...

Gunshot wounds look very different to bullet wounds.

They must have had an inkling that some of the hostages had been shot by police. Even if they weren't 100% sure, shouldn't they say that they don't know who fired the fatal shots?

Gunshot wounds and bullet wounds are one and the same thing. However shotgun wounds, look very different, also would depend on what shot being used by the gunman. Police may also have used a shotgun, 9mm MP5 is also good at that distance. So we say nothing until someone releases the actual autopsy report and we say nothing and not speculate until the enquiry is concluded. However the media, as per usual make up stories to peddle as news when times are slow.

Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:20pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 3:52pm: This is just a story to have a story on a slow news day. Government misled over what, at the time of the incident there would have been information flying around and the police would not have had any idea that Dawson was hit by a ricochet until the autopsy... Gunshot wounds look very different to bullet wounds. They must have had an inkling that some of the hostages had been shot by police. Even if they weren't 100% sure, shouldn't they say that they don't know who fired the fatal shots?

So who said that Monis killed Dawson, was it the police or the media.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:52pm:

This is just a story to have a story on a slow news day. Government misled over what, at the time of the incident there would have been information flying around and the police would not have had any idea that Dawson was hit by a ricochet until the autopsy. Preliminary reports are always going to contain incorrect information because of the nature of preliminary reports is to release information as it happens. You could jump and down making a case for the government being misled but its all just for show.

many blessings

all evidences shall be brought forth and truth

will be pursued without your expressed permissions and or approvals

does this comfort unto thee ....

so be it

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 3:52pm: This is just a story to have a story on a slow news day. Government misled over what, at the time of the incident there would have been information flying around and the police would not have had any idea that Dawson was hit by a ricochet until the autopsy. Preliminary reports are always going to contain incorrect information because of the nature of preliminary reports is to release information as it happens. You could jump and down making a case for the government being misled but its all just for show. many blessings all evidences shall be brought forth and truth will be pursued without your expressed permissions and or approvals does this comfort unto thee .... so be it namaste

So why did they do it then light?

The most disgusting thing about this case was the politicians trying to make political mileage out of it. Abbott rushed out making all sorts of erroneous statements before the dust had settled. Yes Abbott was full of praise for the police then wasn't he?

Now when we find a police bullet killed at least 2 out of 3 Abbott is nowhere to be seen.

Abbott is like a parasite trying to soak up the glory of others, then he is first to go into hiding when the going gets tough.

Speaking of hiding, will we get to see Abbott before the QLD election?

Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:20pm:

[quote author=Steampipe link=1420922990/77#77 date=1421214749] Gunshot wounds look very different to bullet wounds.

  ;D

ian wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 6:20pm: [quote author=Steampipe link=1420922990/77#77 date=1421214749] Gunshot wounds look very different to bullet wounds.   ;D

Was supposed to be 'shotgun' not 'gunshot'. Maybe a form of dyslexia? :P

But the wounds are different. Shotgun leaves a lot of small circle holes. Bullet will be just one large hole for the entry wound usually.

I would think that police and paramedics would know the difference.

ian wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 6:20pm: [quote author=Steampipe link=1420922990/77#77 date=1421214749] Gunshot wounds look very different to bullet wounds.   ;D

SHOTGUN wounds look very different from bullet wounds.

Fixed it for him......

Add the proviso that a single impact from a shotgun pellet may resemble impact from a round, but will be clearly seen on examination to be a pellet and not a round.  The type of injury to tissue is different.

FSS - what about the Coroner?  Hurry up!

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

ian wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 10:22am: Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 6:20pm: [quote author=Steampipe link=1420922990/77#77 date=1421214749] Gunshot wounds look very different to bullet wounds.   ;D SHOTGUN wounds look very different from bullet wounds. Fixed it for him...... Add the proviso that a single impact from a shotgun pellet may resemble impact from a round, but will be clearly seen on examination to be a pellet and not a round.  The type of injury to tissue is different. FSS - what about the Coroner?  Hurry up!

Would you prefer a thorough, careful, considered job to get the right answers or a rushed job which botches

Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 10:15am:

The most disgusting thing about this case was the politicians trying to make political mileage out of it. Abbott rushed out making all sorts of erroneous statements before the dust had settled. Yes Abbott was full of praise for the police then wasn't he? Now when we find a police bullet killed at least 2 out of 3 Abbott is nowhere to be seen. Abbott is like a parasite trying to soak up the glory of others, then he is first to go into hiding when the going gets tough. Speaking of hiding, will we get to see Abbott before the QLD election?

2 out of 3?  One was the perp - he doesn't count as a casualty of police..... his death, while unfortunate in the broad sense, was a necessity to preserve the safety of others.

He could have flung himself to the ground and begged for mercy.... 22 SAS would have drilled him just in case anyway...SOP.

As for the woman - reports were she was hit in the shoulder and suffered cardiac arrest and died.  She may well have had underlying heart problems undiagnosed at the time.

Let's await the Coroner's full report.

Just venting - I want to hear the details..... but I'll wait for the good oil and a thorough job....

Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:35pm:

ian wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 10:22am: Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 6:20pm: [quote author=Steampipe link=1420922990/77#77 date=1421214749] Gunshot wounds look very different to bullet wounds.   ;D Was supposed to be 'shotgun' not 'gunshot'. Maybe a form of dyslexia? :P But the wounds are different. Shotgun leaves a lot of small circle holes. Bullet will be just one large hole for the entry wound usually. I would think that police and paramedics would know the difference.

Not if he used an elephant slug.... or heavy buckshot....

Entry wounds are generally smaller than exit.... entry close over while exit takes a heap of tissue with it....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

ian wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 10:22am: Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 6:20pm: [quote author=Steampipe link=1420922990/77#77 date=1421214749] Gunshot wounds look very different to bullet wounds.   ;D SHOTGUN wounds look very different from bullet wounds. Fixed it for him...... Add the proviso that a single impact from a shotgun pellet may resemble impact from a round, but will be clearly seen on examination to be a pellet and not a round.  The type of injury to tissue is different. FSS - what about the Coroner?  Hurry up!

many blessings

whats the standard waiting time from the freemasonic coroner .. ?

for many deaths are covered up where satanic symbolism is present ,

so as to prevent copy cat satanism they say yet they cloak and dagger ..

sinister stuff what .. ?

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 3:08pm: ian wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 10:22am: Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 6:20pm: [quote author=Steampipe link=1420922990/77#77 date=1421214749] Gunshot wounds look very different to bullet wounds.   ;D SHOTGUN wounds look very different from bullet wounds. Fixed it for him...... Add the proviso that a single impact from a shotgun pellet may resemble impact from a round, but will be clearly seen on examination to be a pellet and not a round.  The type of injury to tissue is different. FSS - what about the Coroner?  Hurry up! many blessings whats the standard waiting time from the freemasonic coroner .. ? for many deaths are covered up where satanic symbolism is present , so as to prevent copy cat satanism they say yet they cloak and dagger .. sinister stuff what .. ? namaste

Don't know, but it wont matter, the coroner isn't a freemason.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 3:28pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 3:08pm: ian wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 10:22am: Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 6:20pm: [quote author=Steampipe link=1420922990/77#77 date=1421214749] Gunshot wounds look very different to bullet wounds.   ;D SHOTGUN wounds look very different from bullet wounds. Fixed it for him...... Add the proviso that a single impact from a shotgun pellet may resemble impact from a round, but will be clearly seen on examination to be a pellet and not a round.  The type of injury to tissue is different. FSS - what about the Coroner?  Hurry up! many blessings whats the standard waiting time from the freemasonic coroner .. ? for many deaths are covered up where satanic symbolism is present , so as to prevent copy cat satanism they say yet they cloak and dagger .. sinister stuff what .. ? namaste Don't know, but it wont matter, the coroner isn't a freemason.

Are you sure???
After all, isn't EVERYONE (other than  It_is_the_ light?????)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alMVPQAsgZk

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http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/inquest-begins-into-sydney-siege-deaths/story-fnj3rq0y-1227200287598

Inquest begins into Sydney siege deaths
8 MINUTES AGO JANUARY 29, 2015 10:18AM

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Sydney siege inquest set to begin
Sydney siege inquest set to begin
AN inquest into the deaths of Sydney siege victims Katrina Dawson and Tori Johnson has begun this morning at the NSW Coroners Court.
State Coroner Michael Barnes gave an opening speech about the inquest saying: “Rarely have such horrifying events unfolded so publicly.”
Mr Barnes said that the court woudl need to rely on reason and to “keep our emotions in check”.
He also noted that ongoing security concerns may have to take precedence over the public interest in knowing what happened during the Lindt Cafe attack.
Extra resources have been made available to the Coroners Court so that other matters are not impacted by the inquest into the siege being brought forward.
No witnesses will be called today and John O’Brien was the only former hostage who attended.
No members of Ms Dawson’s family were at Glebe Coroner’s court for the opening day on Thursday, but members of Mr Johnson’s family were present.

Quote:

' He also noted that ongoing security concerns may have to take precedence over the public interest in knowing what happened during the Lindt Cafe attack '.

Coroner doesn't need to worry about me.  I don't believe a word of the official story, nor do I believe the sob-a-thon, televised interviews with the 'survivors'

Did the alleged dead victims actually die?  Or were they paid a handsome amount by taxpayers to choof off somewhere else, dye their hair, keep a low profile and enjoy the rest of their lives until they're murdered down the track to shut them up permanently ?  I could easily be persuaded that's the case

Was the alleged 'hi-jacker slash terrorist' actually anything remotely like a terrorist or is/was he a paid asset who received a far more handsome pay packet than the rest of the crisis-actors ?  Someone might write a shock-gasp book about it in thirty years

And then we come to the 'training package' a week or two ago which resulted in the close-down of the Circular Quay region.  LOL.  The architects of the entire bull-dust campaign to control Aussies by subjecting them to the same crap as has been inflicted on so many other populations via orchestrated-manufactured-terrorist-attacks really messed-up there.  Sydney was back to business very quickly.  Not much said or there'd be a riot.  But at least the media was instructed to admit the Circular Quay false flag had been aborted --- AND the 'suspicious package' at the heart of it all was revealed as nothing more than a 'training device'.  Shame the outcome wasn't so fortunate for the London victims of a similar scam

In other words I think all of it is bull-dust

We look back with feelings of depression to the King David hotel bombings.  That's where it all began.  And those are the minds behind the insidious spread of same, worldwide

PZ547 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Quote: ' He also noted that ongoing security concerns may have to take precedence over the public interest in knowing what happened during the Lindt Cafe attack '. Coroner doesn't need to worry about me.  I don't believe a word of the official story, nor do I believe the sob-a-thon, televised interviews with the 'survivors' Did the alleged dead victims actually die?  Or were they paid a handsome amount by taxpayers to choof off somewhere else, dye their hair, keep a low profile and enjoy the rest of their lives until they're murdered down the track to shut them up permanently ?  I could easily be persuaded that's the case Was the alleged 'hi-jacker slash terrorist' actually anything remotely like a terrorist or is/was he a paid asset who received a far more handsome pay packet than the rest of the crisis-actors ?  Someone might write a shock-gasp book about it in thirty years

Is there any history of mental illness in your family?

Even if it is true, that the......

Police Killed Katrina Dawson


.....it was Haron Monis, who was responsible for her death.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 29^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 29th, 2015 at 12:46pm: Quote: ' He also noted that ongoing security concerns may have to take precedence over the public interest in knowing what happened during the Lindt Cafe attack '. Coroner doesn't need to worry about me.  I don't believe a word of the official story, nor do I believe the sob-a-thon, televised interviews with the 'survivors' Did the alleged dead victims actually die?  Or were they paid a handsome amount by taxpayers to choof off somewhere else, dye their hair, keep a low profile and enjoy the rest of their lives until they're murdered down the track to shut them up permanently ?  I could easily be persuaded that's the case Was the alleged 'hi-jacker slash terrorist' actually anything remotely like a terrorist or is/was he a paid asset who received a far more handsome pay packet than the rest of the crisis-actors ?  Someone might write a shock-gasp book about it in thirty years Is there any history of mental illness in your family?

[smiley=dankk2.gif]  for giving my post a repeat performance


And you bought it, huh ?  You bought it all and sobbed and ranted about dem tewwowistas


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PZ547 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 29th, 2015 at 1:00pm: PZ547 wrote on Jan 29th, 2015 at 12:46pm: Quote: ' He also noted that ongoing security concerns may have to take precedence over the public interest in knowing what happened during the Lindt Cafe attack '. Coroner doesn't need to worry about me.  I don't believe a word of the official story, nor do I believe the sob-a-thon, televised interviews with the 'survivors' Did the alleged dead victims actually die?  Or were they paid a handsome amount by taxpayers to choof off somewhere else, dye their hair, keep a low profile and enjoy the rest of their lives until they're murdered down the track to shut them up permanently ?  I could easily be persuaded that's the case Was the alleged 'hi-jacker slash terrorist' actually anything remotely like a terrorist or is/was he a paid asset who received a far more handsome pay packet than the rest of the crisis-actors ?  Someone might write a shock-gasp book about it in thirty years Is there any history of mental illness in your family? [smiley=dankk2.gif]  for giving my post a repeat performance And you bought it, huh ?  You bought it all and sobbed and ranted about dem tewwowistas [smiley=grin.gif]

Since you've produced no evidence to the contrary, what do you expect me to do?

PZ547 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Quote: ' He also noted that ongoing security concerns may have to take precedence over the public interest in knowing what happened during the Lindt Cafe attack '.

Eyes wide open.

The need for updated and ongoing public security, it's a scam.

The overwhelming number of events that are 'operational issues', it's another scam.

The need to track our every movement, it's a scam, an unnecessary scam.

The constant fear that we are under or in danger of attack....scam!

Yadda wrote on Jan 29^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Even if it is true, that the...... Police Killed Katrina Dawson .....it was Haron Monis, who was responsible for her death.

Before running around and making statements like: "Police killed Katrina Dawson" why don't we all wait and see what finding the coroner makes in this case??? Is that so hard, wait a short time, hear evidence, written notes. Published findings with supported evidence, Gee is it that hard.
Now someone who has no idea write, "even if it's true" Haron Monis is responsible, WRONG. But lets wait and see what the FINAL report states.
I won't be long, till then no speculation.  :-/

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 29^th, 2015 at 2:00pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 29th, 2015 at 12:46pm: Quote: ' He also noted that ongoing security concerns may have to take precedence over the public interest in knowing what happened during the Lindt Cafe attack '. Eyes wide open. The need for updated and ongoing public security, it's a scam. The overwhelming number of events that are 'operational issues', it's another scam. The need to track our every movement, it's a scam, an unnecessary scam. The constant fear that we are under or in danger of attack....scam!

You are undeniably correct and put that in terms even the dopes should be able to grasp

Nominated for Post of the Day   [smiley=beer.gif]

Yadda wrote on Jan 29^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Even if it is true, that the...... Police Killed Katrina Dawson .....it was Haron Monis, who was responsible for her death.

many blessings

you remain confused

the police bullet hit dawson , and as such

the police killed her ....

here they are again blundering their way into the cafe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6noP6JZYT4

DRAMATIC Footage: Heavy Gunfire As Police storm Sydnezy Siege Cafe

one may be surprised anyone survived

total false flag and death by cops ...

these are forgiven for following orders of inadequates

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:23am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 9:16am: It's bad luck that the bullet came out of the police issue gun. It's what we call collateral damage. Yes Dame master Pansi, master Light should be talking about how many hostages the police saved rather than dwelling on this terrible accident. he is forgiven namaste

many blessings

the fact that police killed dawson will be announced

and validated as it is by your medias ...

many blame the messenger

so be it , yet you are forgiven

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 29^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

many blessings you remain confused the police bullet hit dawson , and as such the police killed her .... here they are again blundering their way into the cafe DRAMATIC Footage: Heavy Gunfire As Police storm Sydnezy Siege Cafe one may be surprised anyone survived total false flag and death by cops ... these are forgiven for following orders of inadequates namaste

I worry for your soul as it wrestles with dark forces
It is not your calling to be the coroner but you have no control.
Not having the knowledge of love and compassion it is beyond your abilities.
For you it is the living in the pain and prodding the wounds.
Your reactions are a reflection of a unloved and lonely soul.
Dawson was a peaceful person who will forgive your weakness.

you are forgiven and loved

Namaste

Quote:

I worry for your soul as it wrestles with dark forces It is not your calling to be the coroner but you have no control. Not having the knowledge of love and compassion it is beyond your abilities. For you it is the living in the pain and prodding the wounds. Your reactions are a reflection of a unloved and lonely soul. Dawson was a peaceful person who will forgive your weakness. you are forgiven and loved Namaste

many blessings you ' worry ' ..

you attempt to copy the writing style of this writer

it is impenetrable , yet you are for you know not

what ye say in fear as you are

and so ... you have no power in your fear

you are forgiven yet you have freewill

so be it

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 30^th, 2015 at 5:16pm:

[quote] many blessings you ' worry ' .. you attempt to copy the writing style of this writer it is impenetrable , yet you are for you know not what ye say in fear as you are and so ... you have no power in your fear you are forgiven yet you have freewill so be it namaste - : ) =

The pain you feel is real and a burden
Finding a way to ease the terror within
You need to look to those that will love you
They will help you carry the burden
Your soul can release and learn to love again
You can taste freedom again with the easing of the pain.

You are forgiven and loved
In you we trust

Namaste

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2015/s4170361.htm

Sydney siege: Inquest confirms Katrina Dawson was killed by police bullet
Brendan Trembath reported this story on Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:10:00

ELEANOR HALL: To the inquest into last month's deadly siege in Sydney's Martin Place, where it has been confirmed that it was a police bullet that killed barrister, Katrina Dawson.

The counsel assisting the inquest told the hearing that the hostage taker and gunman, Man Haron Monis, shot Lindt cafe manager, Tori Johnson, in the back of the head in an execution style killing.

He says a police marksman witnessed the shooting and within minutes heavily armed police stormed the building.

Our reporter Brendan Trembath is at the state Coroner's Court and joins us now with the details.

Brendan, just how these two hostages died has been one of the big questions since the siege. What has this inquiry now confirmed?

BRENDAN TREMBATH: Certainly Eleanor, as you say the deaths of the barrister by fragments from police bullets and the way in which the manager was killed in an execution-style killing by the gunman Man Haron Monis.

We heard that this started, as we know well, as an ordinary day in Sydney. People were at a cafe in Sydney's Martin Place. It was a few days before Christmas.

About 8.30 in the morning the gunman entered the café, he asked the manager to lock the café and then told people gathered "this is an attack, I have a bomb". He was wearing a vest and a bandana and the inquest has heard he had a shortened pump action shotgun.

Here's how counsel assisting the inquiry, Jeremy Gormly, has described the death of the manager some hours later, frustrated after a number of people had escaped.

JEREMY GORMLY: Mr Johnson was made by Mr Monis to kneel on the floor of the café.

After a short lapse of time, Mr Monis simply shot him without further notice or warning in the back of the head.

The end of the barrel was about 75 centimetres from Mr Johnson's head at the moment of discharge.

Mr Johnson is believed to have died immediately.

The shot was witnessed by a police marksman who called it in.

That resulted in an immediate order to force entry; entry of the café occurred within seconds.

ELEANOR HALL: That's a fairly graphic description there by counsel-assisting, Jeremy Gormly.

So Brendan what did Mr Gormly say about how Katrina Dawson then died?

BRENDAN TREMBATH: Well, it was during the raid when heavily armed police went into the café.

Something like 22 shots were fired by police as they tried to take control of the situation and here's Jeremy Gormly again on the death of the barrister, Katrina Dawson.

JEREMY GORMLY: Ms Dawson was struck by six fragments of a police bullet or bullets, which ricocheted from hard surfaces into her body.

I'll not detail the damage done to Ms Dawson other than to say that one fragment struck a major blood vessel.

She lost consciousness quickly and died shortly afterwards.

ELEANOR HALL: That's counsel-assisting, Jeremy Gormly there again.

Brendan, were any of the hostages attending the hearing today?

BRENDAN TREMBATH: It's hard to say exactly, Eleanor, because we were kept in a separate room deliberately, but court staff had told us that family of Tori Johnson were present but Katrina Dawson's family were not present on this occasion.

We did see a number of police arriving. We did hear the inquest intends calling two of the officers from the entry team. Their identities have been suppressed. They'll be known as officer A and officer B.

ELEANOR HALL: So what course will the inquest now take?

BRENDAN TREMBATH: There is a great amount of material to go through.

There is camera footage, there are recordings by the media, audio and video, social media postings, all sorts of things, but the major issues include the deaths of each person including the gunman, the security issues involving the gunman himself - was he on a watch list at the time, so that will involve checking with state and Commonwealth agencies.

They'll also look at the terrorism issue, whether this should be categorised as a terrorist attack.

It was called at the time by the gunman an Islamic State attack, though we did hear that Islamic State was not corrected although an Islamic State representative did later claim some responsibility.

The other issues involving the gunman are bail, he was out on bail at the time, and also mental health, his mental state of mind at the time and before.

ELEANOR HALL: Lots more to cover then. Brendan Trembath, our reporter, covering that inquest into last month's deadly siege in Sydney's Martin Place.