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Message started by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:38am

Title: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:38am
How much is this needle in a haystack search costing taxpayers?

If this was a missing load of refugees, would Abbott commit hundreds of millions of dollars to search for them. If not, then why is abbott spending hundreds of millions on searching for MH370.


About time Abbott stopped spending like a drunken sailor.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:41am
You're an a$$hole. >:(

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:41am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:41am:
You're an a$$hole. >:(



And abbott is an economic illiterate.

6 aircrafts searching for a crashed plane where if any survived they would of drowned by now.

Let them go and stop wasting tax payers cash.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:44am
Poll added.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:45am
Disgusting thread.

Shame on you kiwi.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:46am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:45am:
Disgusting thread.

Shame on you kiwi.


How about a ban for being grossly insensitive and monumentally stupid?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:48am
Why.

Conservatives worship money over human life. So why are we wasting millions on a maybe piece of scrap that may be a piece from a plane that may have traveled south.

Would conservative committed an open cheque for a search for boat load of refugees?


Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:48am
He hasnt broken any forum rule.

Though his views are utterly despicable and insensitive.

People have died Greens, wind your head in.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:49am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:46am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:45am:
Disgusting thread.

Shame on you kiwi.


How about a ban for being grossly insensitive and monumentally stupid?



No answer to the waste of cash by abbott so try and gag.

Fascist conservative.

I thought the age of entitlement was over. So what entitlement do plane passengers have over refugees drowning in water?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:51am

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:49am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:46am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:45am:
Disgusting thread.

Shame on you kiwi.


How about a ban for being grossly insensitive and monumentally stupid?



No answer to the waste of cash by abbott so try and gag.

Fascist conservative.

I thought the age of entitlement was over. So what entitlement do plane passengers have over refugees drowning in water?


Would you say this if it was your family on that plane or would you think this if you were floating in the ocean holding on for dear life? Hippy imbecile...

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:52am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:48am:
He hasnt broken any forum rule.

Though his views are utterly despicable and insensitive.

People have died Greens, wind your head in.



Guess what, everyone dies Hicks.

There have been refugees drowning to our north and Abbott and other conservatives ignored these deaths. Whats the difference?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:56am
Greens, im giving you a very short leash on this.

Australians are on that lost plane and may well have died a horrendous death.
Australia is playing its part in an international effort to find out what happened.

Show some respect and decency or i will lock this thread.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Winston Smith on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:56am
I'm not sure which I find more amusing, Greens_Win's parodying of dualists or their predictable strawman attacks. Actually I know what's most amusing; the fact that no one realises fully what's going on. ;D

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:02am
Dear Greens,
the search is not just about those people -
what if the Boeing 777 has an intrinsic fault that
will cause other similar planes to crash?

The whole world must find out why it crashed &
the only way is to  find the black boxes.
It could be you flying on the next  777.

you are forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:04am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:56am:
Greens, im giving you a very short leash on this.

Australians are on that lost plane and may well have died a horrendous death.
Australia is playing its part in an international effort to find out what happened.

Show some respect and decency or i will lock this thread.


A short leash? I think even a dog would be less insensitive than Greens_Loser.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:04am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:02am:
Dear Greens,
the search is not just about those people -
what if the Boeing 777 has an intrinsic fault that
will cause other similar planes to crash?

The whole world must find out why it crashed &
the only way is to  find the black boxes.
It could be you flying on the next  777.

you are forgiven

namaste


Exactly.
Some of us take those planes here.
Lord knows i have flown Malaysia - could be any one of us.

Not to mention those poor souls on thar plane.

Greens needs to wind his head in here, this is very poor.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:05am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:02am:
Dear Greens,
the search is not just about those people -
what if the Boeing 777 has an intrinsic fault that
will cause other similar planes to crash?

The whole world must find out why it crashed &
the only way is to  find the black boxes.
It could be you flying on the next  777.

you are forgiven

namaste


You took the words right out of my mouth - except for the forgiven part...

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:10am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:02am:
Dear Greens,
the search is not just about those people -
what if the Boeing 777 has an intrinsic fault that
will cause other similar planes to crash?

The whole world must find out why it crashed &
the only way is to  find the black boxes.
It could be you flying on the next  777.

you are forgiven

namaste


Exactly.
Some of us take those planes here.
Lord knows i have flown Malaysia - could be any one of us.

Not to mention those poor souls on thar plane.

Greens needs to wind his head in here, this is very poor.



Yes Andrei,
this latest thread from Greens is so far from common sense
that Greens really needs her head read.

Some people on this forum have no sense of reality.


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Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:15am
This is a very valid thread. Yes - we can certainly send a plane to help - but he's leading the charge on a search which is speculative at most and especially at a time when he is slashing jobs left, right and centre.

We are not the US and print our money. We are only a tiny little country of 23 million people and are being told to tighten our belts as hard times are here. Abbott needs to lead by example, but of course when he's got unfettered access to taxpayer's money he will do what makes him look good in the eyes of the world. He's still in competition mode, but now has a bigger audience.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by cods on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:17am

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:41am:
You're an a$$hole. >:(



And abbott is an economic illiterate.

6 aircrafts searching for a crashed plane where if any survived they would of drowned by now.

Let them go and stop wasting tax payers cash.




would you be saying that if your loved ones were on that plane??... >:( >:(

I agree your contemptible..

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by cods on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:19am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:15am:
This is a very valid thread. Yes - we can certainly send a plane to help - but he's leading the charge on a search which is speculative at most and especially at a time when he is slashing jobs left, right and centre.

We are not the US and print our money. We are only a tiny little country of 23 million people and are being told to tighten our belts as hard times are here. Abbott needs to lead by example, but of course when he's got unfettered access to taxpayer's money he will do what makes him look good in the eyes of the world. He's still in competition mode, but now has a bigger audience.




REALLY??????????....OMG.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:19am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:15am:
This is a very valid thread. Yes - we can certainly send a plane to help - but he's leading the charge on a search which is speculative at most and especially at a time when he is slashing jobs left, right and centre.

We are not the US and print our money. We are only a tiny little country of 23 million people and are being told to tighten our belts as hard times are here. Abbott needs to lead by example, but of course when he's got unfettered access to taxpayer's money he will do what makes him look good in the eyes of the world. He's still in competition mode, but now has a bigger audience.


forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:20am
How about the righties stop with the witch hunt. It looks like this topic is just being used as another excuse to abuse a lefty.


Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:22am

cods wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:19am:
REALLY??????????....OMG.



Yes Cods - really. It's gone past being a search and rescue - it's a hunt to see who's going to be first on the world stage to find a piece of debris, which could belong to anything - and damn the cost.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:25am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:20am:
How about the righties stop with the witch hunt. It looks like this topic is just being used as another excuse to abuse a lefty.


There is no witch hunt mantra, people are dead. An ordinary Australian couple with a family who love them included.
It's about common decency.

Australia has a role to play to help the hunt to find out what happened.

This is not the time for some idiot to use tragedy as a football.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:26am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:20am:
How about the righties stop with the witch hunt. It looks like this topic is just being used as another excuse to abuse a lefty.


Or to find a plane which has for some reason disappeared out of the sky.
A plane and an airline that I use many times per year like many others.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:27am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:25am:
There is no witch hunt mantra, people are dead. An ordinary Australian couple with a family who love them included.
It's about common decency.

Australia has a role to play to help the hunt to find out what happened.



There are millions of people suffering all over the world and we turn our nose up at them. If there were only 5 people on that plane - do you really believe this much money would be pumped into this search? They would have stopped after a week.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:30am
Speaking from Great Britain the coverage we have of Australia doing it's best to find debris which may assist find the plane location, it just looks and plays very well.

If Australia - as mantra suggests - sorry we can't help we are going to spend our money on unemployment benefits etc, sod off nothing to do with us..

Well those of us in the rest of the world would rightly be unimpressed by your refusal to play a role in an international effort.

Well done Australia - ignore the local idiots.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:31am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:25am:
There is no witch hunt mantra, people are dead. An ordinary Australian couple with a family who love them included.
It's about common decency.

Australia has a role to play to help the hunt to find out what happened.



There are millions of people suffering all over the world and we turn our nose up at them. If there were only 5 people on that plane - do you really believe this much money would be pumped into this search? They would have stopped after a week.


What a cop out of an answer.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by cods on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:34am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:56am:
Greens, im giving you a very short leash on this.

Australians are on that lost plane and may well have died a horrendous death.
Australia is playing its part in an international effort to find out what happened.

Show some respect and decency or i will lock this thread.


A short leash? I think even a dog would be less insensitive than Greens_Loser.




we have a world mystery???.. even Putin must be wondering???...

yet greenswhine and others whinge about spending money that would already be there for worldwide catastrophes that happen year in year out.. and this is one of them..

to say they are gross is putting it mildly...

lets sit back in our collective armchairs and watch it play out on telly.... ::) ::)

and they talk about the eyes of the world on us..

yet telling the world we cant afford to help...they think is ok..

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:35am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:10am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:02am:
Dear Greens,
the search is not just about those people -
what if the Boeing 777 has an intrinsic fault that
will cause other similar planes to crash?

The whole world must find out why it crashed &
the only way is to  find the black boxes.
It could be you flying on the next  777.

you are forgiven

namaste


Exactly.
Some of us take those planes here.
Lord knows i have flown Malaysia - could be any one of us.

Not to mention those poor souls on that plane.

Greens needs to wind his head in here, this is very poor.



Yes Andrei,
this latest thread from Greens is so far from common sense
that Greens really needs her head read.

Some people on this forum have no sense of reality.



Looks like there are many people on here who need counseling.

The internet seems to attract cranks - they need help.





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Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:36am
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Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:38am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:30am:
Speaking from Great Britain the coverage we have of Australia doing it's best to find debris which may assist find the plane location, it just looks and plays very well.

If Australia - as mantra suggests - sorry we can't help we are going to spend our money on unemployment benefits etc, sod off nothing to do with us..

Well those of us in the rest of the world would rightly be unimpressed by your refusal to play a role in an international effort.

Well done Australia - ignore the local idiots.


Andrei - because someone doesn't agree with you - it doesn't mean they're an idiot.

So we should start caring what the rest of the world thinks about us now when Abbott has done his best to strain our Asian relationship? Even you don't appear to think much of Australians.

You're the one who mentioned unemployment benefits, but imagine how those people feel whose jobs are being slashed by Abbott? Yes, they'll become part of the great unwashed unemployed that the righties love to sneer at, but in the meantime - we've got superhero Abbott wasting money like it grows on trees - yet telling the Australian people to suck up all his harsh funding cuts.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by cods on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:42am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:31am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:25am:
There is no witch hunt mantra, people are dead. An ordinary Australian couple with a family who love them included.
It's about common decency.

Australia has a role to play to help the hunt to find out what happened.



There are millions of people suffering all over the world and we turn our nose up at them. If there were only 5 people on that plane - do you really believe this much money would be pumped into this search? They would have stopped after a week.


What a cop out of an answer.




what about the cost of looking for bush walkers...skiiers lost in the alps..

its human at least I would think so...

do you not realise mantra money is put aside for such emergencies....the RAAF are being paid whether they fly or are in the air..its their job.

we are lucky to have them...

what about the money spent on border patrol and rescue of asylum seekers...thanks to your mob???>...


dont recall you complaining about using the Navy for that.. >:(


Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by cods on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:48am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:38am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:30am:
Speaking from Great Britain the coverage we have of Australia doing it's best to find debris which may assist find the plane location, it just looks and plays very well.

If Australia - as mantra suggests - sorry we can't help we are going to spend our money on unemployment benefits etc, sod off nothing to do with us..

Well those of us in the rest of the world would rightly be unimpressed by your refusal to play a role in an international effort.

Well done Australia - ignore the local idiots.


Andrei - because someone doesn't agree with you - it doesn't mean they're an idiot.

So we should start caring what the rest of the world thinks about us now when Abbott has done his best to strain our Asian relationship? Even you don't appear to think much of Australians.

You're the one who mentioned unemployment benefits, but imagine how those people feel whose jobs are being slashed by Abbott? Yes, they'll become part of the great unwashed unemployed that the righties love to sneer at, but in the meantime - we've got superhero Abbott wasting money like it grows on trees - yet telling the Australian people to suck up all his harsh funding cuts.




show me where you complained about the cost of BOAT PEOPLE>>

whilst gillard cut single parents payments... >:( >:(

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:55am

cods wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:48am:
show me where you complained about the cost of BOAT PEOPLE>>

whilst gillard cut single parents payments... Angry Angry


I didn't say much about the boat people, aside from saying I was becoming worried about the numbers. It's a debate I have mixed feelings on.

I agreed with the cut to single parents and that they should go back to work when their youngest child turns 8. Under a Hawke/Keating government single parents had no choice but to go back to work when their child was a few weeks old. Howard was very generous with his welfare spending and encouraged gluttony for those on middle and upper incomes.


Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:31am:
What a cop out of an answer.


No it wasn't. Where do we draw the line on government spending? There has been a lot of whinging over the years from both sides of politics on how much these search and rescue operations cost.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:57am
Come on Mantra - you're an angry person who needs help.


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Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:02am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:57am:
Come on Mantra - you're an angry person who needs help.


Don't you start that Bobby. The trolls from PA are hanging onto our every word and that statement will be used as ammunition when they're using our nicks to abuse each other.  :)

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Kat on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:11am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:45am:
Disgusting thread.

Shame on you kiwi.



A bit like AP's thread accusing the Marchers of murder?

Now, that one should have been deleted, along with
a ban for its originator.

And yes, I hope this plane is found, and I don't particularly care who by, as long as it is.

THAT is the important thing, as Bobby said.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:11am
Abbott saying that that debris is from the plane is “Oh look, a unicorn” to distract from Arfur’s woes.

Malaysia is clearly concealing information about the plane—should we spend all that money looking for needles in haystacks? Black boxes are not in tailplanes.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Grendel on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:12am
I think Bobby's spot on...  I keep telling you, you need a holiday.

We do have certain responsibilities mantra and we are in the best position for this search.  Other countries are helping and this event has the whole world wondering mantra.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:13am

cods wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:48am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:38am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:30am:
Speaking from Great Britain the coverage we have of Australia doing it's best to find debris which may assist find the plane location, it just looks and plays very well.

If Australia - as mantra suggests - sorry we can't help we are going to spend our money on unemployment benefits etc, sod off nothing to do with us..

Well those of us in the rest of the world would rightly be unimpressed by your refusal to play a role in an international effort.

Well done Australia - ignore the local idiots.


Andrei - because someone doesn't agree with you - it doesn't mean they're an idiot.

So we should start caring what the rest of the world thinks about us now when Abbott has done his best to strain our Asian relationship? Even you don't appear to think much of Australians.

You're the one who mentioned unemployment benefits, but imagine how those people feel whose jobs are being slashed by Abbott? Yes, they'll become part of the great unwashed unemployed that the righties love to sneer at, but in the meantime - we've got superhero Abbott wasting money like it grows on trees - yet telling the Australian people to suck up all his harsh funding cuts.




show me where you complained about the cost of BOAT PEOPLE>>

whilst gillard cut single parents payments... >:( >:(


The ignorance of the right. . .Howard started putting single mothers onto NS, all Gillard did is to do the same with families where the youngest child was over 8yo. With all the family allowances etc I doubt the mothers lost all that much in terms of cash. With the tripling of the tax free threshold it is more worthwhile to work part time, paying no tax on the first $18.2Kpa/$350/week.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by cods on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:18am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:55am:

cods wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:48am:
show me where you complained about the cost of BOAT PEOPLE>>

whilst gillard cut single parents payments... Angry Angry


I didn't say much about the boat people, aside from saying I was becoming worried about the numbers. It's a debate I have mixed feelings on.

I agreed with the cut to single parents and that they should go back to work when their youngest child turns 8. Under a Hawke/Keating government single parents had no choice but to go back to work when their child was a few weeks old. Howard was very generous with his welfare spending and encouraged gluttony for those on middle and upper incomes.


Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:31am:
What a cop out of an answer.


No it wasn't. Where do we draw the line on government spending? There has been a lot of whinging over the years from both sides of politics on how much these search and rescue operations cost.




mantra   this isnt govt spending.. its money that is there for just such an emergency...where do we suddenly get millions from for earthquakes and tsunamis..gawd dont worry you wont go without..


as for not caring about the cost of opening the floodgates to Boat people.. well maybe you should..

take a look at the DEBT... why do you think we have that I wonder???????


you will probably find that the airline has insured its plane.. and they are paying for at least some of this search,.

I just find it amazing that you feel justified in your stance on this...would you really feel for the Australian taxpayer if your family were on that plane?????

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:19am

Grendel wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:12am:
I think Bobby's spot on...  I keep telling you, you need a holiday.


Surprise surprise!  ::)


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We do have certain responsibilities mantra and we are in the best position for this search.  Other countries are helping and this event has the whole world wondering mantra.


In other words - this will entertain and distract the masses for a while and give the primeminister the attention he craves.

It will certainly make the media moguls a whole pile of money. Isn't Abbott just about to sign off on a deal for open slather ownership of the media in Australia. It all helps his cause.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:21am
Codswallop, govt (Defence) planes & personnel flying those pointless tens of thousands of kilometres so govt spending.

The rest of your crud is beneath contempt.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by cods on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:22am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:11am:
Abbott saying that that debris is from the plane is “Oh look, a unicorn” to distract from Arfur’s woes.

Malaysia is clearly concealing information about the plane—should we spend all that money looking for needles in haystacks? Black boxes are not in tailplanes.



you do miss the point dont you??...its missing in our neck of the woods...if it was missing between london and New York.. I am sure we wouldnt be involved..the blackbox as everyone would know is at the bottom of the ocean..if thats where the plane is..they have only recovered one other black box I believe from a similar depth...

would you like to know if that plane DID have a defect that was only just discovered on that flight..

would you like to know no other plane has that same defect...???...

maybe not! maybe you dont fly or have any loved ones that may fly... in a defective plane..

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:23am
If Hicks is so gung ho about cutting threads and banning people—there is clear evidence here of the contemptible roach trolling mantra unmercifully! roach should be given a nice long ban, couple weeks say, as a warning.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:29am

cods wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:18am:
mantra   this isnt govt spending.. its money that is there for just such an emergency...where do we suddenly get millions from for earthquakes and tsunamis..gawd dont worry you wont go without..


Have you got a link Cods?



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as for not caring about the cost of opening the floodgates to Boat people.. well maybe you should..


Of course I do, but it's costing us just as much to keep them out, possibly more.


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take a look at the DEBT... why do you think we have that I wonder???????


The "debt" also transpired into more savings for Australians than we've seen for decades. This also meant paying off more personal debt. Inflation was incredibly low and steady. Do you remember the bumpy days of inflation under Howard? Howard privatised everything he could get his hands on and when the GFC hit - the pyramid collapsed. Labor helped a lot of people get back on their feet after 2007 and yes it didn't come cheap, but still better than propping up just a select few as Abbott has begun to do.


Quote:
you will probably find that the airline has insured its plane.. and they are paying for at least some of this search,.


Where do you think the insurers get their money?


Quote:
I just find it amazing that you feel justified in your stance on this...would you really feel for the Australian taxpayer if your family were on that plane?????


Of course I would be grateful if the government made an extended search to find my family - but I wouldn't expect it, nor would most people. There's usually a limit for a pleb. People often find out what happened to their families when the tax payer funded rescue stops and family and friends look independently.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by viewpoint on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:33am
How on earth could this country justify not being involved in the search? Only arseholes like greenscum, mantra, and jungle George would entertain such an absurd notion as Australia not being involved because of costs........what cost do you bunch of maggots place on over three hundred lives?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:35am

viewpoint wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:33am:
How on earth could this country justify not being involved in the search? Only arseholes like greenscum, mantra, and jungle George would entertain such an absurd notion as Australia not being involved because of costs........what cost do you bunch of maggots place on over three hundred lives?


Couldn't resist could you? You'd better get back under the radar in case someone notices you.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:36am
Wow, such a nice polite post from VP!

I would first get the full info from Malaysia. Second—chasing down every single container that has fallen off a container ship is not good use of public money. Thirdly—the contemptible ape raised the families’ hopes unjustifiably just to provide distraction from Arfur stepping down as Asst Treasurer.

Cost and benefit, VP.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by viewpoint on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:36am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:35am:

viewpoint wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:33am:
How on earth could this country justify not being involved in the search? Only arseholes like greenscum, mantra, and jungle George would entertain such an absurd notion as Australia not being involved because of costs........what cost do you bunch of maggots place on over three hundred lives?


Couldn't resist could you? You'd better get back under the radar in case someone notices you.


Truth hurts does it maggot?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by viewpoint on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:38am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:36am:
Wow, such a nice polite post from VP!

I would first get the full info from Malaysia. Second—chasing down every single container that has fallen off a container ship is not good use of public money. Thirdly—the contemptible ape raised the families’ hopes unjustifiably just to provide distraction from Arfur stepping down as Asst Treasurer.

Cost and benefit, VP.



Lives and families Jungle George.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:38am

cods wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:22am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:11am:
Abbott saying that that debris is from the plane is “Oh look, a unicorn” to distract from Arfur’s woes.

Malaysia is clearly concealing information about the plane—should we spend all that money looking for needles in haystacks? Black boxes are not in tailplanes.



you do miss the point dont you??...its missing in our neck of the woods...if it was missing between london and New York.. I am sure we wouldnt be involved..the blackbox as everyone would know is at the bottom of the ocean..if thats where the plane is..they have only recovered one other black box I believe from a similar depth...

would you like to know if that plane DID have a defect that was only just discovered on that flight..

would you like to know no other plane has that same defect...???...

maybe not! maybe you dont fly or have any loved ones that may fly... in a defective plane..

Is it in our neck of the woods? Could it not be just a container floating around the southern Indian ocean? Malaysia is withholding information on the plane.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:39am

viewpoint wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:36am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:35am:

viewpoint wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:33am:
How on earth could this country justify not being involved in the search? Only arseholes like greenscum, mantra, and jungle George would entertain such an absurd notion as Australia not being involved because of costs........what cost do you bunch of maggots place on over three hundred lives?


Couldn't resist could you? You'd better get back under the radar in case someone notices you.


Truth hurts does it maggot?


It hurts you more. You've done so well here up to now - so try not to lose it. FD's running out of peanuts.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by viewpoint on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:40am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:39am:

viewpoint wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:36am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:35am:

viewpoint wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:33am:
How on earth could this country justify not being involved in the search? Only arseholes like greenscum, mantra, and jungle George would entertain such an absurd notion as Australia not being involved because of costs........what cost do you bunch of maggots place on over three hundred lives?


Couldn't resist could you? You'd better get back under the radar in case someone notices you.


Truth hurts does it maggot?


It hurts you more. You've done so well here up to now - so try not to lose it. FD's running out of peanuts.


Threats eh maggot.......piss off!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:55am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:15am:
This is a very valid thread. Yes - we can certainly send a plane to help - but he's leading the charge on a search which is speculative at most and especially at a time when he is slashing jobs left, right and centre.

We are not the US and print our money. We are only a tiny little country of 23 million people and are being told to tighten our belts as hard times are here. Abbott needs to lead by example, but of course when he's got unfettered access to taxpayer's money he will do what makes him look good in the eyes of the world. He's still in competition mode, but now has a bigger audience.



maggot.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:56am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:25am:
There is no witch hunt mantra, people are dead. An ordinary Australian couple with a family who love them included.
It's about common decency.

Australia has a role to play to help the hunt to find out what happened.



There are millions of people suffering all over the world and we turn our nose up at them. If there were only 5 people on that plane - do you really believe this much money would be pumped into this search? They would have stopped after a week.



you really are quite the horrible person.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:00am
How much do you think this search is ACTULLY costing?  FUEL and only FUEL.

we already own the planes and they fly a lot anyhow.  the pilots and other staff are there regardless.

as if it matters.  we are a society that values lives.  that is why we go to the rescue of the hundreds of boat people in danger.

mantra...  you are officially a disgusting person while greens-hate has shown his true colour - yellow, the colour of cowardice.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:03am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:00am:
How much do you think this search is ACTULLY costing?  FUEL and only FUEL.

we already own the planes and they fly a lot anyhow.  the pilots and other staff are there regardless.

as if it matters.  we are a society that values lives.  that is why we go to the rescue of the hundreds of boat people in danger.

mantra...  you are officially a disgusting person while greens-hate has shown his true colour - yellow, the colour of cowardice.



Dear Longy,
you must learn to forgive those who are in obvious need of treatment.

namaste

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:03am
And you are a dumbarse, LW.

We do not know where the plane went down, just getting planes and ships chasing down any halfway likely bit of floating debris is not good use of taxpayers money.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:10am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:03am:
Dear Longy,
you must learn to forgive those who are in obvious need of treatment.


Second time around Bobby for good measure? That's nasty and insulting. Why don't you give your opinion then - if you have one, instead of sucking up to those people who you've incessantly complained about for the last couple of years? Can you attack the argument - not the person?


longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:55am:
maggot.


No surprise you only lasted 5 minutes as a moderator. When you start imitating the likes of a banned troll - then you should be worried.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:16am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:03am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:00am:
How much do you think this search is ACTULLY costing?  FUEL and only FUEL.

we already own the planes and they fly a lot anyhow.  the pilots and other staff are there regardless.

as if it matters.  we are a society that values lives.  that is why we go to the rescue of the hundreds of boat people in danger.

mantra...  you are officially a disgusting person while greens-hate has shown his true colour - yellow, the colour of cowardice.



Dear Longy,
you must learn to forgive those who are in obvious need of treatment.

namaste



forgiveness doesn't change the nature or fact of the offence. The crime is what THEY do and forgiveness is what YOU do. 


Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:20am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:03am:
And you are a dumbarse, LW.

We do not know where the plane went down, just getting planes and ships chasing down any halfway likely bit of floating debris is not good use of taxpayers money.


why?  because it is a long-shot?  if we only financially support sure-thing ventures then we would get rid of most welfare, not bother with educating the dumb and certainly not supporting the disabled.

we do this because was CAN.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:21am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:03am:
Dear Longy,
you must learn to forgive those who are in obvious need of treatment.


Second time around Bobby for good measure? That's nasty and insulting. Why don't you give your opinion then - if you have one, instead of sucking up to those people who you've incessantly complained about for the last couple of years? Can you attack the argument - not the person?


longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:55am:
maggot.


No surprise you only lasted 5 minutes as a moderator. When you start imitating the likes of a banned troll - then you should be worried.



me??? YOU are the m o r o n claiming we shouldn't be spending money on searching for a plane down with 239 souls on board.  what if some survived and are bobbin in the ocean waiting to be rescued?

are you even capable of showing compassion or common decency or does your hatred of abbott override everything in you pitiful soul?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:24am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:20am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:03am:
And you are a dumbarse, LW.

We do not know where the plane went down, just getting planes and ships chasing down any halfway likely bit of floating debris is not good use of taxpayers money.


why?  because it is a long-shot?  if we only financially support sure-thing ventures then we would get rid of most welfare, not bother with educating the dumb and certainly not supporting the disabled.

we do this because was CAN.

The simian does this so he can grandstand. Prematurely announcing the bit of debris in Southern Indian Ocean was the tailplane was cruel to the families of the Aussies who were on the plane and was an obvious ploy to distract attention from Arfur’s woes.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:25am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:21am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:03am:
Dear Longy,
you must learn to forgive those who are in obvious need of treatment.


Second time around Bobby for good measure? That's nasty and insulting. Why don't you give your opinion then - if you have one, instead of sucking up to those people who you've incessantly complained about for the last couple of years? Can you attack the argument - not the person?


longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:55am:
maggot.


No surprise you only lasted 5 minutes as a moderator. When you start imitating the likes of a banned troll - then you should be worried.



me??? YOU are the m o r o n claiming we shouldn't be spending money on searching for a plane down with 239 souls on board.  what if some survived and are bobbin in the ocean waiting to be rescued?

are you even capable of showing compassion or common decency or does your hatred of abbott override everything in you pitiful soul?

Firstly—wash your mouth out with soap.

Secondly—there will be no survivors.

Thirdly—we are spending bucket loads of money chasing after stray bits of debris, STUPID!

Oh man “people bobbing in the ocean 2500Km southwest of Perth—died of hypothermia within 10 minutes.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:26am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:21am:
me??? YOU are the m o r o n claiming we shouldn't be spending money on searching for a plane down with 239 souls on board.  what if some survived and are bobbin in the ocean waiting to be rescued?

are you even capable of showing compassion or common decency or does your hatred of abbott override everything in you pitiful soul?



Settle down. This is only a forum debate. It's all about the economy isn't it and saving money?

No-one has bothered to answer the question - what if there were only a handful of people on the plane? Would we be continuing this search? No - and it would only make the headlines for a couple of days - then it would be forgotten about.

This is a media beat up? We're probably due for another war on terror.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:29am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:21am:
me??? YOU are the m o r o n claiming we shouldn't be spending money on searching for a plane down with 239 souls on board.  what if some survived and are bobbin in the ocean waiting to be rescued?

are you even capable of showing compassion or common decency or does your hatred of abbott override everything in you pitiful soul?



Settle down. This is only a forum debate. It's all about the economy isn't it and saving money?

No-one has bothered to answer the question - what if there were only a handful of people on the plane? Would we be continuing this search? No - and it would only make the headlines for a couple of days - then it would be forgotten about.

This is a media beat up? We're probably due for another war on terror.


I hope I never become as cynical and horribly unpleasant as you have become.  I hope that my interest in the lives of others doesn't come down to dollar signs as it has for you or that I let deep hatred destroy my character and integrity as you have so obviously done.

You are a lesson to us all in what to avoid becoming.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:33am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:16am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:03am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:00am:
How much do you think this search is ACTULLY costing?  FUEL and only FUEL.

we already own the planes and they fly a lot anyhow.  the pilots and other staff are there regardless.

as if it matters.  we are a society that values lives.  that is why we go to the rescue of the hundreds of boat people in danger.

mantra...  you are officially a disgusting person while greens-hate has shown his true colour - yellow, the colour of cowardice.



Dear Longy,
you must learn to forgive those who are in obvious need of treatment.

namaste



forgiveness doesn't change the nature or fact of the offence. The crime is what THEY do and forgiveness is what YOU do. 



Forgiveness is what Christ did.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:39am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:29am:
I hope I never become as cynical and horribly unpleasant as you have become.  I hope that my interest in the lives of others doesn't come down to dollar signs as it has for you or that I let deep hatred destroy my character and integrity as you have so obviously done.

You are a lesson to us all in what to avoid becoming.



Yes - you come across as such a compassionate person that we should hold our torches up high towards you.

How much compassion have you shown for humanity in any of your posts? You come across to me as a hypocrite who grabs onto any populist theory if it its going to help you look righteous.

If we're really concerned about the waste of federal funds on services for Australians - and refugees, why are we wasting it on foreigners when there's so much help already out there? If only those four Australians were on board the plane - we wouldn't still be looking for them and you know it.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:40am
Christ never existed.

We are spending more than fuel, not that aviation fuel is cheap and we are using a LOT of fuel chasing down random debris.

But planes and ships don’t sail/fly themselves—we are also spending money on wages, wearing out expensive planes and ships—on wild goose chases. That is why I am against this profligate use of defence assets—we have no freaking idea where the plane went down and the Malaysians are clearly not telling us everything we know.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:42am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:20am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:03am:
And you are a dumbarse, LW.

We do not know where the plane went down, just getting planes and ships chasing down any halfway likely bit of floating debris is not good use of taxpayers money.


why?  because it is a long-shot?  if we only financially support sure-thing ventures then we would get rid of most welfare, not bother with educating the dumb and certainly not supporting the disabled.

we do this because was CAN.

We also CAN resettle the prisoners on Manus Isl in Australia so they can become good, productive citizens. Clearly we do not do things just because we can.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by philperth2010 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:44am
It is not about the money it is about the justification.....If Tony Abbott had credible information that the plane went down in this remote location he has an obligation to search for the missing aircraft.....Tony Abbott needs to justify the search with more information than grainy images from a commercial satellite that could be anything!!!

:-? :-? :-?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:46am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:40am:
Christ never existed.


It seems some here believe He did - otherwise they wouldn't use Him to back up their argument.


Quote:
We are spending more than fuel, not that aviation fuel is cheap and we are using a LOT of fuel chasing down random debris.


I heard the reports on the radio this morning - but obviously not on 2GB. This is a very expensive exercise - all based on theories. It's a wild goose chase.


Quote:
But planes and ships don’t sail/fly themselves—we are also spending money on wages, wearing out expensive planes and ships—on wild goose chases. That is why I am against this profligate use of defence assets—we have no freaking idea where the plane went down and the Malaysians are clearly not telling us everything we know.


Obviously they're not, but they're enjoying the attention too.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Winston Smith on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:52am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:21am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:03am:
Dear Longy,
you must learn to forgive those who are in obvious need of treatment.


Second time around Bobby for good measure? That's nasty and insulting. Why don't you give your opinion then - if you have one, instead of sucking up to those people who you've incessantly complained about for the last couple of years? Can you attack the argument - not the person?


longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:55am:
maggot.


No surprise you only lasted 5 minutes as a moderator. When you start imitating the likes of a banned troll - then you should be worried.



me??? YOU are the m o r o n claiming we shouldn't be spending money on searching for a plane down with 239 souls on board.  what if some survived and are bobbin in the ocean waiting to be rescued?

are you even capable of showing compassion or common decency or does your hatred of abbott override everything in you pitiful soul?

Firstly—wash your mouth out with soap.

Secondly—there will be no survivors.

Thirdly—we are spending bucket loads of money chasing after stray bits of debris, STUPID!

Oh man “people bobbing in the ocean 2500Km southwest of Perth—died of hypothermia within 10 minutes.


Have you heard of this?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:54am

cods wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:56am:
Greens, im giving you a very short leash on this.

Australians are on that lost plane and may well have died a horrendous death.
Australia is playing its part in an international effort to find out what happened.

Show some respect and decency or i will lock this thread.


A short leash? I think even a dog would be less insensitive than Greens_Loser.




we have a world mystery???.. even Putin must be wondering???...

yet greenswhine and others whinge about spending money that would already be there for worldwide catastrophes that happen year in year out.. and this is one of them..

to say they are gross is putting it mildly...

lets sit back in our collective armchairs and watch it play out on telly.... ::) ::)

and they talk about the eyes of the world on us..

yet telling the world we cant afford to help...they think is ok..


The mantra of the Greens: save the trees & koalas, screw the people!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:57am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:21am:
me??? YOU are the m o r o n claiming we shouldn't be spending money on searching for a plane down with 239 souls on board.  what if some survived and are bobbin in the ocean waiting to be rescued?

are you even capable of showing compassion or common decency or does your hatred of abbott override everything in you pitiful soul?



Settle down. This is only a forum debate. It's all about the economy isn't it and saving money?

No-one has bothered to answer the question - what if there were only a handful of people on the plane? Would we be continuing this search? No - and it would only make the headlines for a couple of days - then it would be forgotten about.

This is a media beat up? We're probably due for another war on terror.


I would hope that if it was a single engine Cessna with one person on board that authorities would do everything possible to find that person.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:00am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:57am:
I would hope that if it was a single engine Cessna with one person on board that authorities would do everything possible to find that person.



And they usually do - for a few days.


Quote:
The mantra of the Greens: save the trees & koalas, screw the people!


Each to their own. Some people love objects more than humans and animals.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:00am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:57am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:21am:
me??? YOU are the m o r o n claiming we shouldn't be spending money on searching for a plane down with 239 souls on board.  what if some survived and are bobbin in the ocean waiting to be rescued?

are you even capable of showing compassion or common decency or does your hatred of abbott override everything in you pitiful soul?



Settle down. This is only a forum debate. It's all about the economy isn't it and saving money?

No-one has bothered to answer the question - what if there were only a handful of people on the plane? Would we be continuing this search? No - and it would only make the headlines for a couple of days - then it would be forgotten about.

This is a media beat up? We're probably due for another war on terror.


I would hope that if it was a single engine Cessna with one person on board that authorities would do everything possible to find that person.


Apples and oranges—a Cessna has just a tiny range compared to a jet.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:02am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:40am:
Christ never existed.

We are spending more than fuel, not that aviation fuel is cheap and we are using a LOT of fuel chasing down random debris.

But planes and ships don’t sail/fly themselves—we are also spending money on wages, wearing out expensive planes and ships—on wild goose chases. That is why I am against this profligate use of defence assets—we have no freaking idea where the plane went down and the Malaysians are clearly not telling us everything we know.


The fact you are an atheist probably goes some way to explaining your pathological hatred of Tony Abbott and your quite bizarre political beliefs.

It's provocative comments like Christ didn't exist which tells me why you bring so much baggage with you from other forums.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:02am
No one is searching for survivors, just the plane. What if the plane has some flaw that may affect other 777's? What if repairs to the wingtip caused the accident? If the plane is found, it may help prevent another similar tragedy in the future!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:04am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:39am:
If we're really concerned about the waste of federal funds on services for Australians - and refugees, why are we wasting it on foreigners when there's so much help already out there? If only those four Australians were on board the plane - we wouldn't still be looking for them and you know it.


Good Lord what an ugly comment.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:06am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:02am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:40am:
Christ never existed.

We are spending more than fuel, not that aviation fuel is cheap and we are using a LOT of fuel chasing down random debris.

But planes and ships don’t sail/fly themselves—we are also spending money on wages, wearing out expensive planes and ships—on wild goose chases. That is why I am against this profligate use of defence assets—we have no freaking idea where the plane went down and the Malaysians are clearly not telling us everything we know.


The fact you are an atheist probably goes some way to explaining your pathological hatred of Tony Abbott and your quite bizarre political beliefs.

It's provocative comments like Christ didn't exist which tells me why you bring so much baggage with you from other forums.

And you are a crap moderator.

An atheist at least has to work out a morality, an ethics for himself. Abbott has nothing to do with that. I call him a simian because he is acting like an ape.

But Christ never did exist—the New Testament was written half a century after his “death.”

Think for yourself for a change, Hicksie—exhilarating!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:06am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:04am:
Good Lord what an ugly comment.



Pity you haven't bothered to re-read any of your own posts lately Andrei. You can be very offensive, but seem to assume the plebs are too stupid to notice.

How long do you think our search and rescues go for individuals or small groups?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:07am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:04am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:39am:
If we're really concerned about the waste of federal funds on services for Australians - and refugees, why are we wasting it on foreigners when there's so much help already out there? If only those four Australians were on board the plane - we wouldn't still be looking for them and you know it.


Good Lord what an ugly comment.

But true. If the plane was carrying only Muslims we would not be spending the amount of money in a futile search that we currently are. We could spend some of that resettling the prisoners from the concentration camp on Manus Isl here.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:18am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:07am:
But true. If the plane was carrying only Muslims we would not be spending the amount of money in a futile search that we currently are. We could spend some of that resettling the prisoners from the concentration camp on Manus Isl here.


Don't you think Abbott would do the same if it was an Iranian or Iraqi plane full of Arabs visiting their friends or relatives in Palestine?


Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Kat on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:19am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:54am:

cods wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:56am:
Greens, im giving you a very short leash on this.

Australians are on that lost plane and may well have died a horrendous death.
Australia is playing its part in an international effort to find out what happened.

Show some respect and decency or i will lock this thread.


A short leash? I think even a dog would be less insensitive than Greens_Loser.




we have a world mystery???.. even Putin must be wondering???...

yet greenswhine and others whinge about spending money that would already be there for worldwide catastrophes that happen year in year out.. and this is one of them..

to say they are gross is putting it mildly...

lets sit back in our collective armchairs and watch it play out on telly.... ::) ::)

and they talk about the eyes of the world on us..

yet telling the world we cant afford to help...they think is ok..


The mantra of the Greens: save the trees & koalas, screw the people!



Better than the mantra of the Right: screw the trees & koalas, and the people!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:22am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:18am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:07am:
But true. If the plane was carrying only Muslims we would not be spending the amount of money in a futile search that we currently are. We could spend some of that resettling the prisoners from the concentration camp on Manus Isl here.


Don't you think Abbott would do the same if it was an Iranian or Iraqi plane full of Arabs visiting their friends or relatives in Palestine?


We're bound by international law to search for and rescue people in our SAR zone.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:22am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:18am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:07am:
But true. If the plane was carrying only Muslims we would not be spending the amount of money in a futile search that we currently are. We could spend some of that resettling the prisoners from the concentration camp on Manus Isl here.


Don't you think Abbott would do the same if it was an Iranian or Iraqi plane full of Arabs visiting their friends or relatives in Palestine?

in that case we would offer token help only, and express regrets and condolences. Don’t forget all this came at a good time—helps Tony distract from Arfur’s woes.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:32am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:40am:
Christ never existed.

We are spending more than fuel, not that aviation fuel is cheap and we are using a LOT of fuel chasing down random debris.

But planes and ships don’t sail/fly themselves—we are also spending money on wages, wearing out expensive planes and ships—on wild goose chases. That is why I am against this profligate use of defence assets—we have no freaking idea where the plane went down and the Malaysians are clearly not telling us everything we know.


we are spending no extra on wages as they are already employed to do just what they are doing.

I suppose that you think disability care should be scrapped because these people will never amount ot anything?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:34am

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:44am:
It is not about the money it is about the justification.....If Tony Abbott had credible information that the plane went down in this remote location he has an obligation to search for the missing aircraft.....Tony Abbott needs to justify the search with more information than grainy images from a commercial satellite that could be anything!!!

:-? :-? :-?


what other justification would you or anyone else need???  the search is for bits of a downed aircraft and we spotted something that looks like exactly that.  how exactly do you PROVE that without going there????

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:04am:
Good Lord what an ugly comment.



Pity you haven't bothered to re-read any of your own posts lately Andrei. You can be very offensive, but seem to assume the plebs are too stupid to notice.

How long do you think our search and rescues go for individuals or small groups?


You have shown a callous attitude for the families and poor people on this missing plane.
To suggest Australia does not play it's part in an international search to exhaust all leads in a rushed period time because "it costs a lot".

Well what an ugly set of comments you've made today mantra.

Very unpleasant and ugly indeed.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:46am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:40am:
Christ never existed.


It seems some here believe He did - otherwise they wouldn't use Him to back up their argument.


Quote:
We are spending more than fuel, not that aviation fuel is cheap and we are using a LOT of fuel chasing down random debris.


I heard the reports on the radio this morning - but obviously not on 2GB. This is a very expensive exercise - all based on theories. It's a wild goose chase.

[quote]But planes and ships don’t sail/fly themselves—we are also spending money on wages, wearing out expensive planes and ships—on wild goose chases. That is why I am against this profligate use of defence assets—we have no freaking idea where the plane went down and the Malaysians are clearly not telling us everything we know.


Obviously they're not, but they're enjoying the attention too. [/quote]


you stupid lefties (redundant terms) would happily spend billions combing the seas for boat people but when a plane goes down you don't want to search????

I am truly astonished by the ugly opinions and attitudes on show here. Lefties are often accused of claiming to care for people but happily killing them or leaving them to die if it suits their purposes.  all you have done is prove the point.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:41am
Item looks just like a container to me.

Sensible thing—get those with satellites that can do highres photos from space have a look at that wreckage.

No, more active duty, more cost.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:43am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:04am:
Good Lord what an ugly comment.



Pity you haven't bothered to re-read any of your own posts lately Andrei. You can be very offensive, but seem to assume the plebs are too stupid to notice.

How long do you think our search and rescues go for individuals or small groups?


You have shown a callous attitude for the families and poor people on this missing plane.
To suggest Australia does not play it's part in an international search to exhaust all leads in a rushed period time because "it costs a lot".

Well what an ugly set of comments you've made today mantra.

Very unpleasant and ugly indeed.

Oh garbage!

We are spending a lot of money chasing down debris more likely to be a container floating around—why not ask Japan, china, the US etc to take high res pictures of the debris? Said debris still has not been found. If it was the tailplane and there were survivors on it they would be dead of hypothermia 10 minutes after the crash.

Try some clear thinking.

I am becoming totally disgusted with you Hicks—partisan, insulting, not suited to be a Mod.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:44am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:41am:
Item looks just like a container to me.

Sensible thing—get those with satellites that can do highres photos from space have a look at that wreckage.

No, more active duty, more cost.


The photos are 5 days old you idiot.
They need to find the parts again by way of plane search.

My father has been involved in aviation searches. The knowledge of your sort of people about these things is pathetic.
Which is fine why would you know or understand how these processes work but really should not comment out of such ignorance!!!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:47am
"A 22m container floating in the southern Indian Ocean"

"Get high res photos on them" (having no clue on placement of satellites or the fact the photos are 5 days old)

Comments on this board today on this subject are either callous with a wanton disregard for human life or uninformed ignorant idiocy.

Shame.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:52am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:43am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:04am:
Good Lord what an ugly comment.



Pity you haven't bothered to re-read any of your own posts lately Andrei. You can be very offensive, but seem to assume the plebs are too stupid to notice.

How long do you think our search and rescues go for individuals or small groups?


You have shown a callous attitude for the families and poor people on this missing plane.
To suggest Australia does not play it's part in an international search to exhaust all leads in a rushed period time because "it costs a lot".

Well what an ugly set of comments you've made today mantra.

Very unpleasant and ugly indeed.

Oh garbage!

We are spending a lot of money chasing down debris more likely to be a container floating around—why not ask Japan, china, the US etc to take high res pictures of the debris? Said debris still has not been found. If it was the tailplane and there were survivors on it they would be dead of hypothermia 10 minutes after the crash.

Try some clear thinking.

I am becoming totally disgusted with you Hicks—partisan, insulting, not suited to be a Mod.


you don't think that if it were possible that that is what would happen?  you watch too many shows like NCIS where they can move a billion dollar satellite at whim to take hi-res photos of anything they want.

retasking a satellite to a different location takes FUEL.  how much do you think they keep on a satellite? it is a precious commodity and not used without extreme justification.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:53am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:47am:
"A 22m container floating in the southern Indian Ocean"

"Get high res photos on them" (having no clue on placement of satellites or the fact the photos are 5 days old)

Comments on this board today on this subject are either callous with a wanton disregard for human life or uninformed ignorant idiocy.

Shame.



the comments are all of the above.  stupid, callous and grossly uninformed.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:54am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am:
You have shown a callous attitude for the families and poor people on this missing plane.
To suggest Australia does not play it's part in an international search to exhaust all leads in a rushed period time because "it costs a lot".

Well what an ugly set of comments you've made today mantra.

Very unpleasant and ugly indeed.


Sometimes discussions get ugly, but you might have noticed that I'm not abusing anyone. You just don't like my views. Some people agree - others don't, but it works both ways. As much as the right hate the opinions of the left - the left usually feel the same way about the many callous opinions of the opposition. You can't expect us all to have the same mindset.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:57am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:44am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:41am:
Item looks just like a container to me.

Sensible thing—get those with satellites that can do highres photos from space have a look at that wreckage.

No, more active duty, more cost.


The photos are 5 days old you idiot.
They need to find the parts again by way of plane search.

My father has been involved in aviation searches. The knowledge of your sort of people about these things is pathetic.
Which is fine why would you know or understand how these processes work but really should not comment out of such ignorance!!!

Five days old are they? That why they are dropping bouys in the ocean to get an idea of currents and drift? Geesus! Oh your Dad had experience? You ain’t your dad! the simian raising those false hopes—no other national Leader has made similar comments—was bloody cruel to the families concerned FFS!

Your post made by me would result in you banning me—personally insulting. Resign as mod, you are not up to it!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:59am
Not only that—nowhere have I said we shouldn’t search! But I would like the search to be rather more purposeful and a lot less like Liberal propaganda! What do the Malaysians know that they haven’t told us?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:01am

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:54am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am:
You have shown a callous attitude for the families and poor people on this missing plane.
To suggest Australia does not play it's part in an international search to exhaust all leads in a rushed period time because "it costs a lot".

Well what an ugly set of comments you've made today mantra.

Very unpleasant and ugly indeed.


Sometimes discussions get ugly, but you might have noticed that I'm not abusing anyone. You just don't like my views. Some people agree - others don't, but it works both ways. As much as the right hate the opinions of the left - the left usually feel the same way about the many callous opinions of the opposition. You can't expect us all to have the same mindset.


you ARE being callous.  you don't want to spend a little money searching for a lost plane but would happily spend billions on lefty-inspired projects with no chance of success.  I really fail to understand how ANYONE can complain about Australia conducting their part of this search. Are you really that ugly?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:02am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:57am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:44am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:41am:
Item looks just like a container to me.

Sensible thing—get those with satellites that can do highres photos from space have a look at that wreckage.

No, more active duty, more cost.


The photos are 5 days old you idiot.
They need to find the parts again by way of plane search.

My father has been involved in aviation searches. The knowledge of your sort of people about these things is pathetic.
Which is fine why would you know or understand how these processes work but really should not comment out of such ignorance!!!

Five days old are they? That why they are dropping bouys in the ocean to get an idea of currents and drift? Geesus! Oh your Dad had experience? You ain’t your dad! the simian raising those false hopes—no other national Leader has made similar comments—was bloody cruel to the families concerned for goodness sake!

Your post made by me would result in you banning me—personally insulting. Resign as mod, you are not up to it!


I hope one day you are lost at sea and float there hoping those in charge don't share your values.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:05am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:52am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:43am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:04am:
Good Lord what an ugly comment.



Pity you haven't bothered to re-read any of your own posts lately Andrei. You can be very offensive, but seem to assume the plebs are too stupid to notice.

How long do you think our search and rescues go for individuals or small groups?


You have shown a callous attitude for the families and poor people on this missing plane.
To suggest Australia does not play it's part in an international search to exhaust all leads in a rushed period time because "it costs a lot".

Well what an ugly set of comments you've made today mantra.

Very unpleasant and ugly indeed.

Oh garbage!

We are spending a lot of money chasing down debris more likely to be a container floating around—why not ask Japan, china, the US etc to take high res pictures of the debris? Said debris still has not been found. If it was the tailplane and there were survivors on it they would be dead of hypothermia 10 minutes after the crash.

Try some clear thinking.

I am becoming totally disgusted with you Hicks—partisan, insulting, not suited to be a Mod.


you don't think that if it were possible that that is what would happen?  you watch too many shows like NCIS where they can move a billion dollar satellite at whim to take hi-res photos of anything they want.

retasking a satellite to a different location takes FUEL.  how much do you think they keep on a satellite? it is a precious commodity and not used without extreme justification.

Actually—they would take the photo when any suitable satellite is in a position to do so—they would not MOVE a satellite!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:06am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:59am:
Not only that—nowhere have I said we shouldn’t search! But I would like the search to be rather more purposeful and a lot less like Liberal propaganda! What do the Malaysians know that they haven’t told us?



what exactly is more purposeful than while searching a vast empty ocean than to go to a place where 'something' has been identified?

are you drunk or high?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Honky on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:06am
I don't really care too much about the cost - presumably they've got plnety in their budget that needs to be used anyway, and at least this will be a more "real" exercise.

But that's all it is - an exercise.  It's not a matter of compassion or necessity.  IF it's the plane, everyone on it is dead. Those acting like anyone questioning the necessity of it is proposing something inherently diabolical, akin to eating babies need to check themselves, because they've gone hysterical.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:09am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:05am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:52am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:43am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:04am:
Good Lord what an ugly comment.



Pity you haven't bothered to re-read any of your own posts lately Andrei. You can be very offensive, but seem to assume the plebs are too stupid to notice.

How long do you think our search and rescues go for individuals or small groups?


You have shown a callous attitude for the families and poor people on this missing plane.
To suggest Australia does not play it's part in an international search to exhaust all leads in a rushed period time because "it costs a lot".

Well what an ugly set of comments you've made today mantra.

Very unpleasant and ugly indeed.

Oh garbage!

We are spending a lot of money chasing down debris more likely to be a container floating around—why not ask Japan, china, the US etc to take high res pictures of the debris? Said debris still has not been found. If it was the tailplane and there were survivors on it they would be dead of hypothermia 10 minutes after the crash.

Try some clear thinking.

I am becoming totally disgusted with you Hicks—partisan, insulting, not suited to be a Mod.


you don't think that if it were possible that that is what would happen?  you watch too many shows like NCIS where they can move a billion dollar satellite at whim to take hi-res photos of anything they want.

retasking a satellite to a different location takes FUEL.  how much do you think they keep on a satellite? it is a precious commodity and not used without extreme justification.

Actually—they would take the photo when any suitable satellite is in a position to do so—they would not MOVE a satellite!


LOL... do you really think any satellite coves the ENTIRE GLOBE??  the indian ocean is largely empty,  low-res photos are what makes sense,.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:10am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:02am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:57am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:44am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:41am:
Item looks just like a container to me.

Sensible thing—get those with satellites that can do highres photos from space have a look at that wreckage.

No, more active duty, more cost.


The photos are 5 days old you idiot.
They need to find the parts again by way of plane search.

My father has been involved in aviation searches. The knowledge of your sort of people about these things is pathetic.
Which is fine why would you know or understand how these processes work but really should not comment out of such ignorance!!!

Five days old are they? That why they are dropping bouys in the ocean to get an idea of currents and drift? Geesus! Oh your Dad had experience? You ain’t your dad! the simian raising those false hopes—no other national Leader has made similar comments—was bloody cruel to the families concerned for goodness sake!

Your post made by me would result in you banning me—personally insulting. Resign as mod, you are not up to it!


I hope one day you are lost at sea and float there hoping those in charge don't share your values.

{sigh} NOBODY that may have been on that piece of debris ASSUMING it is part of the plane would have lived for more than 10 minutes—they would rapidly have died from the cold. I think 10 minutes is a generous estimate. If the cold didn’t kill these hypothetical survivors they have now been, what, seven days without food and water?

Try thinking sometime Longweakened!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:12am

... wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:06am:
I don't really care too much about the cost - presumably they've got plnety in their budget that needs to be used anyway, and at least this will be a more "real" exercise.

But that's all it is - an exercise.  It's not a matter of compassion or necessity.  IF it's the plane, everyone on it is dead. Those acting like anyone questioning the necessity of it is proposing something inherently diabolical, akin to eating babies need to check themselves, because they've gone hysterical.


no one is pretending that there are any survivors if it crashed at sea.  However. there is a real need to know WHAT happened so we can find out WHY.  But what if they ARE alive somewhere?  wouldn't you feel silly in refusing to search because the probability is low?

this search is all about compassion and need. It isn't as if this is a first.  nations ALWAYS search for the lost at sea or on land and always have.  the only think new bout this is the scale of the search.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:12am
I hope very much that one day you half wits whining about the cost of the search need the help of our SAR capabilities only to have authorities call off the search within a few days due to financial reasons.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:13am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:10am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:02am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:57am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:44am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:41am:
Item looks just like a container to me.

Sensible thing—get those with satellites that can do highres photos from space have a look at that wreckage.

No, more active duty, more cost.


The photos are 5 days old you idiot.
They need to find the parts again by way of plane search.

My father has been involved in aviation searches. The knowledge of your sort of people about these things is pathetic.
Which is fine why would you know or understand how these processes work but really should not comment out of such ignorance!!!

Five days old are they? That why they are dropping bouys in the ocean to get an idea of currents and drift? Geesus! Oh your Dad had experience? You ain’t your dad! the simian raising those false hopes—no other national Leader has made similar comments—was bloody cruel to the families concerned for goodness sake!

Your post made by me would result in you banning me—personally insulting. Resign as mod, you are not up to it!


I hope one day you are lost at sea and float there hoping those in charge don't share your values.

{sigh} NOBODY that may have been on that piece of debris ASSUMING it is part of the plane would have lived for more than 10 minutes—they would rapidly have died from the cold. I think 10 minutes is a generous estimate. If the cold didn’t kill these hypothetical survivors they have now been, what, seven days without food and water?

Try thinking sometime Longweakened!


why is survivability your only criteria?  what about answers, closure etc?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:14am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:09am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:05am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:52am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:43am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:04am:
Good Lord what an ugly comment.



Pity you haven't bothered to re-read any of your own posts lately Andrei. You can be very offensive, but seem to assume the plebs are too stupid to notice.

How long do you think our search and rescues go for individuals or small groups?


You have shown a callous attitude for the families and poor people on this missing plane.
To suggest Australia does not play it's part in an international search to exhaust all leads in a rushed period time because "it costs a lot".

Well what an ugly set of comments you've made today mantra.

Very unpleasant and ugly indeed.

Oh garbage!

We are spending a lot of money chasing down debris more likely to be a container floating around—why not ask Japan, china, the US etc to take high res pictures of the debris? Said debris still has not been found. If it was the tailplane and there were survivors on it they would be dead of hypothermia 10 minutes after the crash.

Try some clear thinking.

I am becoming totally disgusted with you Hicks—partisan, insulting, not suited to be a Mod.


you don't think that if it were possible that that is what would happen?  you watch too many shows like NCIS where they can move a billion dollar satellite at whim to take hi-res photos of anything they want.

retasking a satellite to a different location takes FUEL.  how much do you think they keep on a satellite? it is a precious commodity and not used without extreme justification.

Actually—they would take the photo when any suitable satellite is in a position to do so—they would not MOVE a satellite!


LOL... do you really think any satellite coves the ENTIRE GLOBE??  the indian ocean is largely empty,  low-res photos are what makes sense,.

Christ you are thick! There are thousands of satellites up there, most circle the globe, some are in geostationary orbit and useless for this. It wouldn’t be long before a suitable satellite was in a position to look. Once the debris/container/whatever is sighted again and there is an idea of currents should not be hard to take high resr pictures.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Honky on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:17am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:12am:
no one is pretending that there are any survivors if it crashed at sea.  However. there is a real need to know WHAT happened so we can find out WHY.  But what if they ARE alive somewhere?  wouldn't you feel silly in refusing to search because the probability is low?



I understand all that, except why placing a low priority on it could be someones "lowest point" and various other overblown slogans being hurled on here.

Since it went down, tens of thousands of other flights have taken off and landed without a hitch, so finding out what happened isn't exactly the most pressing matter facing the world today.




Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:19am
I really don't think George has the first clue how satellite positioning works.

They can't just zoom in from anywhere. They have to be positioned and within range.
The ones over the Indian Ocean are quite rightly low res only - because they track weather across the ocean and, well that's about it - what else is there to look at??

Also they take photos at a period in time.
Asking them now to zoom in on a photo they took 5 days ago??!?
The pieces are no longer there. The current, wind drift and breakwater could have taken them 300 miles by now.
That's why a plane spotting and ship search is the best way to do it.

Bear in mind these pieces were spotted within the arc of reference so it has validity.

It's important to find this plane.

Ask the US to do it? When it's off Australia's Coast?
Really? And what has the USA got to do with it?

Here's a question - if we had a plane plunge into the North Sea up here off the Coast of Essex, what would you say if we demanded Australia come and look for it??

It's your backyard, it's an international search and it's playing your part.

As you should.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:20am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:14am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:09am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:05am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:52am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:43am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:04am:
Good Lord what an ugly comment.



Pity you haven't bothered to re-read any of your own posts lately Andrei. You can be very offensive, but seem to assume the plebs are too stupid to notice.

How long do you think our search and rescues go for individuals or small groups?


You have shown a callous attitude for the families and poor people on this missing plane.
To suggest Australia does not play it's part in an international search to exhaust all leads in a rushed period time because "it costs a lot".

Well what an ugly set of comments you've made today mantra.

Very unpleasant and ugly indeed.

Oh garbage!

We are spending a lot of money chasing down debris more likely to be a container floating around—why not ask Japan, china, the US etc to take high res pictures of the debris? Said debris still has not been found. If it was the tailplane and there were survivors on it they would be dead of hypothermia 10 minutes after the crash.

Try some clear thinking.

I am becoming totally disgusted with you Hicks—partisan, insulting, not suited to be a Mod.


you don't think that if it were possible that that is what would happen?  you watch too many shows like NCIS where they can move a billion dollar satellite at whim to take hi-res photos of anything they want.

retasking a satellite to a different location takes FUEL.  how much do you think they keep on a satellite? it is a precious commodity and not used without extreme justification.

Actually—they would take the photo when any suitable satellite is in a position to do so—they would not MOVE a satellite!


LOL... do you really think any satellite coves the ENTIRE GLOBE??  the indian ocean is largely empty,  low-res photos are what makes sense,.

Christ you are thick! There are thousands of satellites up there, most circle the globe, some are in geostationary orbit and useless for this. It wouldn’t be long before a suitable satellite was in a position to look. Once the debris/container/whatever is sighted again and there is an idea of currents should not be hard to take high resr pictures.


there are thousands of satellites.  only a relatively few or them take photos. they are pointed at the most likely areas of which the middle of the indian ocean is not one of them.

and time is of the essence.  you don't wait for a week or two for some mythical hi-res satellite to become available - or not.

too much TV for you and not enough real-life.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:20am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:13am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:10am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:02am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:57am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:44am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:41am:
Item looks just like a container to me.

Sensible thing—get those with satellites that can do highres photos from space have a look at that wreckage.

No, more active duty, more cost.


The photos are 5 days old you idiot.
They need to find the parts again by way of plane search.

My father has been involved in aviation searches. The knowledge of your sort of people about these things is pathetic.
Which is fine why would you know or understand how these processes work but really should not comment out of such ignorance!!!

Five days old are they? That why they are dropping bouys in the ocean to get an idea of currents and drift? Geesus! Oh your Dad had experience? You ain’t your dad! the simian raising those false hopes—no other national Leader has made similar comments—was bloody cruel to the families concerned for goodness sake!

Your post made by me would result in you banning me—personally insulting. Resign as mod, you are not up to it!


I hope one day you are lost at sea and float there hoping those in charge don't share your values.

{sigh} NOBODY that may have been on that piece of debris ASSUMING it is part of the plane would have lived for more than 10 minutes—they would rapidly have died from the cold. I think 10 minutes is a generous estimate. If the cold didn’t kill these hypothetical survivors they have now been, what, seven days without food and water?

Try thinking sometime Longweakened!


why is survivability your only criteria?  what about answers, closure etc?


If it's mechanical failure on a 777 that's a big deal.
I was on one of those only last month.

We must track down and know why this happened.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:20am
Oh look at what I have posted about satellites, Hicksie!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:23am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:20am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:13am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:10am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:02am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:57am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:44am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:41am:
Item looks just like a container to me.

Sensible thing—get those with satellites that can do highres photos from space have a look at that wreckage.

No, more active duty, more cost.


The photos are 5 days old you idiot.
They need to find the parts again by way of plane search.

My father has been involved in aviation searches. The knowledge of your sort of people about these things is pathetic.
Which is fine why would you know or understand how these processes work but really should not comment out of such ignorance!!!

Five days old are they? That why they are dropping bouys in the ocean to get an idea of currents and drift? Geesus! Oh your Dad had experience? You ain’t your dad! the simian raising those false hopes—no other national Leader has made similar comments—was bloody cruel to the families concerned for goodness sake!

Your post made by me would result in you banning me—personally insulting. Resign as mod, you are not up to it!


I hope one day you are lost at sea and float there hoping those in charge don't share your values.

{sigh} NOBODY that may have been on that piece of debris ASSUMING it is part of the plane would have lived for more than 10 minutes—they would rapidly have died from the cold. I think 10 minutes is a generous estimate. If the cold didn’t kill these hypothetical survivors they have now been, what, seven days without food and water?

Try thinking sometime Longweakened!


why is survivability your only criteria?  what about answers, closure etc?


If it's mechanical failure on a 777 that's a big deal.
I was on one of those only last month.

We must track down and know why this happened.



the need to know is an important one.  we need to know what went wrong to avoid it being repeated.  we cant save them now, but we can save the next plane-load by finding out what happened.  Mechanical failure sounds unlikely but not impossible.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:24am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:20am:
Oh look at what I have posted about satellites, Hicksie!


Yes it's total rubbish.
My family has been in aviation for 40 years. I grew up around this sort of thing.
I don't think you have much experience of how searches, aviation tracking works at all.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:25am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:14am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:09am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:05am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:52am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:43am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:04am:
Good Lord what an ugly comment.



Pity you haven't bothered to re-read any of your own posts lately Andrei. You can be very offensive, but seem to assume the plebs are too stupid to notice.

How long do you think our search and rescues go for individuals or small groups?


You have shown a callous attitude for the families and poor people on this missing plane.
To suggest Australia does not play it's part in an international search to exhaust all leads in a rushed period time because "it costs a lot".

Well what an ugly set of comments you've made today mantra.

Very unpleasant and ugly indeed.

Oh garbage!

We are spending a lot of money chasing down debris more likely to be a container floating around—why not ask Japan, china, the US etc to take high res pictures of the debris? Said debris still has not been found. If it was the tailplane and there were survivors on it they would be dead of hypothermia 10 minutes after the crash.

Try some clear thinking.

I am becoming totally disgusted with you Hicks—partisan, insulting, not suited to be a Mod.


you don't think that if it were possible that that is what would happen?  you watch too many shows like NCIS where they can move a billion dollar satellite at whim to take hi-res photos of anything they want.

retasking a satellite to a different location takes FUEL.  how much do you think they keep on a satellite? it is a precious commodity and not used without extreme justification.

Actually—they would take the photo when any suitable satellite is in a position to do so—they would not MOVE a satellite!


LOL... do you really think any satellite coves the ENTIRE GLOBE??  the indian ocean is largely empty,  low-res photos are what makes sense,.

Christ you are thick! There are thousands of satellites up there, most circle the globe, some are in geostationary orbit and useless for this. It wouldn’t be long before a suitable satellite was in a position to look. Once the debris/container/whatever is sighted again and there is an idea of currents should not be hard to take high resr pictures.


Most satellites that have imagery capabilities would spend most of their time away from the least travelled and most desolate expanses of ocean due to the fact there's nothing there to look at other than water.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:25am
Then WHY did the simian raise false hopes in the families re that bit of debris in the South Pacific Ocean?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:28am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:25am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:14am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:09am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:05am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:52am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:43am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:04am:
Good Lord what an ugly comment.



Pity you haven't bothered to re-read any of your own posts lately Andrei. You can be very offensive, but seem to assume the plebs are too stupid to notice.

How long do you think our search and rescues go for individuals or small groups?


You have shown a callous attitude for the families and poor people on this missing plane.
To suggest Australia does not play it's part in an international search to exhaust all leads in a rushed period time because "it costs a lot".

Well what an ugly set of comments you've made today mantra.

Very unpleasant and ugly indeed.

Oh garbage!

We are spending a lot of money chasing down debris more likely to be a container floating around—why not ask Japan, china, the US etc to take high res pictures of the debris? Said debris still has not been found. If it was the tailplane and there were survivors on it they would be dead of hypothermia 10 minutes after the crash.

Try some clear thinking.

I am becoming totally disgusted with you Hicks—partisan, insulting, not suited to be a Mod.


you don't think that if it were possible that that is what would happen?  you watch too many shows like NCIS where they can move a billion dollar satellite at whim to take hi-res photos of anything they want.

retasking a satellite to a different location takes FUEL.  how much do you think they keep on a satellite? it is a precious commodity and not used without extreme justification.

Actually—they would take the photo when any suitable satellite is in a position to do so—they would not MOVE a satellite!


LOL... do you really think any satellite coves the ENTIRE GLOBE??  the indian ocean is largely empty,  low-res photos are what makes sense,.

Christ you are thick! There are thousands of satellites up there, most circle the globe, some are in geostationary orbit and useless for this. It wouldn’t be long before a suitable satellite was in a position to look. Once the debris/container/whatever is sighted again and there is an idea of currents should not be hard to take high resr pictures.


Most satellites that have imagery capabilities would spend most of their time away from the least travelled and most desolate expanses of ocean due to the fact there's nothing there to look at other than water.

Well, you just proved you know NOTHING about satellites! Satellites circle the earth, that is why they are called satellites! Every few minutes one satellite or another crosses a particular spot on earth—some of these are communications satellites and useless for this. But a rather bigger number will be spy satellites and these can have a look at the debris in detail.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by philperth2010 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:29am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:34am:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:44am:
It is not about the money it is about the justification.....If Tony Abbott had credible information that the plane went down in this remote location he has an obligation to search for the missing aircraft.....Tony Abbott needs to justify the search with more information than grainy images from a commercial satellite that could be anything!!!

:-? :-? :-?


what other justification would you or anyone else need???  the search is for bits of a downed aircraft and we spotted something that looks like exactly that.  how exactly do you PROVE that without going there????


There must be more justification than grainy pictures from a commercial satellite to justify the search and the raising of expectations by the Australian Government.....Perhaps there was other credible information that prompted the search but at this stage I fail to see what this will achieve apart from wasting time and resources.....Tony Abbott needs to be up front about what information he had to instigate the search apart from satellite pictures!!!

All Governments need to be accountable for taxpayers money and decisions they make.....There needs to be more credible justification than has been provided so far before I accept this is a legitimate use of taxpayers money!!!

:-? :-? :-?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:31am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:23am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:20am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:13am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:10am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:02am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:57am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:44am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:41am:
Item looks just like a container to me.

Sensible thing—get those with satellites that can do highres photos from space have a look at that wreckage.

No, more active duty, more cost.


The photos are 5 days old you idiot.
They need to find the parts again by way of plane search.

My father has been involved in aviation searches. The knowledge of your sort of people about these things is pathetic.
Which is fine why would you know or understand how these processes work but really should not comment out of such ignorance!!!

Five days old are they? That why they are dropping bouys in the ocean to get an idea of currents and drift? Geesus! Oh your Dad had experience? You ain’t your dad! the simian raising those false hopes—no other national Leader has made similar comments—was bloody cruel to the families concerned for goodness sake!

Your post made by me would result in you banning me—personally insulting. Resign as mod, you are not up to it!


I hope one day you are lost at sea and float there hoping those in charge don't share your values.

{sigh} NOBODY that may have been on that piece of debris ASSUMING it is part of the plane would have lived for more than 10 minutes—they would rapidly have died from the cold. I think 10 minutes is a generous estimate. If the cold didn’t kill these hypothetical survivors they have now been, what, seven days without food and water?

Try thinking sometime Longweakened!


why is survivability your only criteria?  what about answers, closure etc?


If it's mechanical failure on a 777 that's a big deal.
I was on one of those only last month.

We must track down and know why this happened.



the need to know is an important one.  we need to know what went wrong to avoid it being repeated.  we cant save them now, but we can save the next plane-load by finding out what happened.  Mechanical failure sounds unlikely but not impossible.


My dad consults on simulator training for 777s.
More has gone wrong in their cockpits than ever in 737s or 747s.
And they've been around a lot longer.

He said Malaysia pilots are ordinarily very good, very very conservative and never take risk.
His best guess to me yesterday was incapacitating fire with engagement of autopilot which then flew the plane for 7 hours (explaining the pings hours later) until it ran out of fuel and glided into the ocean.

Seems most likely by why and how were they incapacitated??
That's the question. Problem is even if they find the black box it will have looped back round over the incident.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:36am
Well, I read that Air Malaysia pilots move in and out of the cockpit into the passenger are all the time—way too easy to hijack a plane in those circumstances. All proving we know nothing about what happened to the plane. What do the Malaysians know that they are not telling?

Anyway, it looks like Honky and myself have shown there can be no survivors so the rightarded made a screeching turn to “looking for evidence of what happened” that was delightful and highly amusing to see  :)

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:51am
Are you for real?
Who on earth when looking for wreckage in the South Indian Ocean think they'll find survivors????

This is about dead people. Dead Australian people and a missing aircraft of one of the most hi tech aircraft in the world. They don't just vanish.
Foul play? Mechanical failure? We must know and if potential wreckage is spotted then Australia is doing the right thing in this by trying to find it.

You won't find survivors.
My dad always told me (apart from always sit at the back of a plane) if a plane goes down you are more likely to die than live.
These people are dead. We must find the plane.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:01pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:28am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:25am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:14am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:09am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:05am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:52am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:43am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:04am:
Good Lord what an ugly comment.



Pity you haven't bothered to re-read any of your own posts lately Andrei. You can be very offensive, but seem to assume the plebs are too stupid to notice.

How long do you think our search and rescues go for individuals or small groups?


You have shown a callous attitude for the families and poor people on this missing plane.
To suggest Australia does not play it's part in an international search to exhaust all leads in a rushed period time because "it costs a lot".

Well what an ugly set of comments you've made today mantra.

Very unpleasant and ugly indeed.

Oh garbage!

We are spending a lot of money chasing down debris more likely to be a container floating around—why not ask Japan, china, the US etc to take high res pictures of the debris? Said debris still has not been found. If it was the tailplane and there were survivors on it they would be dead of hypothermia 10 minutes after the crash.

Try some clear thinking.

I am becoming totally disgusted with you Hicks—partisan, insulting, not suited to be a Mod.


you don't think that if it were possible that that is what would happen?  you watch too many shows like NCIS where they can move a billion dollar satellite at whim to take hi-res photos of anything they want.

retasking a satellite to a different location takes FUEL.  how much do you think they keep on a satellite? it is a precious commodity and not used without extreme justification.

Actually—they would take the photo when any suitable satellite is in a position to do so—they would not MOVE a satellite!


LOL... do you really think any satellite coves the ENTIRE GLOBE??  the indian ocean is largely empty,  low-res photos are what makes sense,.

Christ you are thick! There are thousands of satellites up there, most circle the globe, some are in geostationary orbit and useless for this. It wouldn’t be long before a suitable satellite was in a position to look. Once the debris/container/whatever is sighted again and there is an idea of currents should not be hard to take high resr pictures.


Most satellites that have imagery capabilities would spend most of their time away from the least travelled and most desolate expanses of ocean due to the fact there's nothing there to look at other than water.

Well, you just proved you know NOTHING about satellites! Satellites circle the earth, that is why they are called satellites! Every few minutes one satellite or another crosses a particular spot on earth—some of these are communications satellites and useless for this. But a rather bigger number will be spy satellites and these can have a look at the debris in detail.


Never heard of geostationary satellites?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:09pm
Read my post—which you quoted—where I mention geostationary satellites.  ::)

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:16pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:09pm:
Read my post—which you quoted—where I mention geostationary satellites.  ::)


You do realise, don't you, that those satellites have a finite amount of propulsion fuel onboard, right? The solar panels are for running the various systems onboard, not for propelling it around in space. They have to be careful what they use them for.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Oh_Yeah on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:20pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:48am:
He hasnt broken any forum rule.

Though his views are utterly despicable and insensitive.

People have died Greens, wind your head in.



Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:56am:
Greens, im giving you a very short leash on this.

Australians are on that lost plane and may well have died a horrendous death.
Australia is playing its part in an international effort to find out what happened.

Show some respect and decency or i will lock this thread.


Andrei, It seems that your power as a moderator has gone to your head. Your duties as a moderator are to police the forum rules. You have already admitted that the OP doesn't break any forum rules.

So you are using your power as a moderator to bully forum members just because their opinions differ to yours. That is completely unacceptable.

I disagree with the OP but i respect his right to say it. You already have a track record of only warning members of the left when they breach rules, I am yet to see any sort of warning when members of the right have the same breaches.

I think you should take some of your own advice and "pull your head in".

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:23pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:16pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:09pm:
Read my post—which you quoted—where I mention geostationary satellites.  ::)


You do realise, don't you, that those satellites have a finite amount of propulsion fuel onboard, right? The solar panels are for running the various systems onboard, not for propelling it around in space. They have to be careful what they use them for.

You have no idea!

Satellites circle the earth, orbiting over a different slice of Earth each orbit. You are the second rightarded with the idiotic view that satellites would be MOVED!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:39pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:16pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:09pm:
Read my post—which you quoted—where I mention geostationary satellites.  ::)


You do realise, don't you, that those satellites have a finite amount of propulsion fuel onboard, right? The solar panels are for running the various systems onboard, not for propelling it around in space. They have to be careful what they use them for.

You have no idea!

Satellites circle the earth, orbiting over a different slice of Earth each orbit. You are the second rightarded with the idiotic view that satellites would be MOVED!


LMAO, you've got no idea how satellites work, have you? ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:42pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:29am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:34am:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:44am:
It is not about the money it is about the justification.....If Tony Abbott had credible information that the plane went down in this remote location he has an obligation to search for the missing aircraft.....Tony Abbott needs to justify the search with more information than grainy images from a commercial satellite that could be anything!!!

:-? :-? :-?


what other justification would you or anyone else need???  the search is for bits of a downed aircraft and we spotted something that looks like exactly that.  how exactly do you PROVE that without going there????


There must be more justification than grainy pictures from a commercial satellite to justify the search and the raising of expectations by the Australian Government.....Perhaps there was other credible information that prompted the search but at this stage I fail to see what this will achieve apart from wasting time and resources.....Tony Abbott needs to be up front about what information he had to instigate the search apart from satellite pictures!!!

All Governments need to be accountable for taxpayers money and decisions they make.....There needs to be more credible justification than has been provided so far before I accept this is a legitimate use of taxpayers money!!!

:-? :-? :-?


wow phil. I know you hate Abbott but I never expected you to go down the path of hating ANYTHING he does. 

the search was instigated not just because of the photo but because it was the ONLY evidence that exists worldwide.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:46pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:48am:
He hasnt broken any forum rule.

Though his views are utterly despicable and insensitive.

People have died Greens, wind your head in.



Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:56am:
Greens, im giving you a very short leash on this.

Australians are on that lost plane and may well have died a horrendous death.
Australia is playing its part in an international effort to find out what happened.

Show some respect and decency or i will lock this thread.


Andrei, It seems that your power as a moderator has gone to your head. Your duties as a moderator are to police the forum rules. You have already admitted that the OP doesn't break any forum rules.

So you are using your power as a moderator to bully forum members just because their opinions differ to yours. That is completely unacceptable.

I disagree with the OP but i respect his right to say it. You already have a track record of only warning members of the left when they breach rules, I am yet to see any sort of warning when members of the right have the same breaches.

I think you should take some of your own advice and "pull your head in".


being a fair moderator does not exclude you from the right to express your opinion including about this disgusting and shocking thread.  I would not have thought it possible for lefties (and it is only lefties) complaining about spending a little bit of money for fuel in a search for a missing airliner.

but cut a multi-billion doallar program that is a complete failure and they scream.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:46pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:16pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:09pm:
Read my post—which you quoted—where I mention geostationary satellites.  ::)


You do realise, don't you, that those satellites have a finite amount of propulsion fuel onboard, right? The solar panels are for running the various systems onboard, not for propelling it around in space. They have to be careful what they use them for.

You have no idea!

Satellites circle the earth, orbiting over a different slice of Earth each orbit. You are the second rightarded with the idiotic view that satellites would be MOVED!


Think of a satellite orbit as the lines in Saturn's rings. A satellite travels along the axis of the rings and can see a relatively narrow field of view downward. The further outward you attempt to look, the lower the resolution of the image. That means that the satellite has to be repositioned in its orbit, essentially changing its latitude. That is why satellites would need to be moved. Just because a satellite is generally positioned over the Indian Ocean doesn't mean it can see everything in it despite being right above it. They actually have to be in a very specific position to view objects with a high degree of clarity.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:47pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:16pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:09pm:
Read my post—which you quoted—where I mention geostationary satellites.  ::)


You do realise, don't you, that those satellites have a finite amount of propulsion fuel onboard, right? The solar panels are for running the various systems onboard, not for propelling it around in space. They have to be careful what they use them for.

You have no idea!

Satellites circle the earth, orbiting over a different slice of Earth each orbit. You are the second rightarded with the idiotic view that satellites would be MOVED!


wow. your ignorance is astonishing.  satellites go over a particular track and NEVER cover the entire earth.  unbelievable.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:47pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:39pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:16pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:09pm:
Read my post—which you quoted—where I mention geostationary satellites.  ::)


You do realise, don't you, that those satellites have a finite amount of propulsion fuel onboard, right? The solar panels are for running the various systems onboard, not for propelling it around in space. They have to be careful what they use them for.

You have no idea!

Satellites circle the earth, orbiting over a different slice of Earth each orbit. You are the second rightarded with the idiotic view that satellites would be MOVED!


LMAO, you've got no idea how satellites work, have you? ;D ;D ;D


too much TV and movies and not enough actual education.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Grendel on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:51pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:25am:
Then WHY did the simian raise false hopes in the families re that bit of debris in the South Pacific Ocean?

Huh?
Typical... is that the new brainstorm the Labor propagandists asked you to post Monkey Boy or did you come up with that one yourself. ::) ::) ::)
He merely stated in parliament the state of play.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:57pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:51pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:25am:
Then WHY did the simian raise false hopes in the families re that bit of debris in the South Pacific Ocean?

Huh?
Typical... is that the new brainstorm the Labor propagandists asked you to post Monkey Boy or did you come up with that one yourself. ::) ::) ::)
He merely stated in parliament the state of play.


every day I see more and more reasons to view lfites and labor supporters as intellectual dull and failing in even the most basic levels of compassion and integrity.

Most of the claims they throw at liberal supporters is actually their own failings.  It is astonishing there are people here thinking searching for a lost aircraft is WRONG.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:57pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:51pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:25am:
Then WHY did the simian raise false hopes in the families re that bit of debris in the South Pacific Ocean?

Huh?
Typical... is that the new brainstorm the Labor propagandists asked you to post Monkey Boy or did you come up with that one yourself. ::) ::) ::)
He merely stated in parliament the state of play.


What the Monkey Boy doesn't realise (or doesn't want to acknowledge) is that Abbott never once said "we have found the plane!" or even "we think we have possibly found the plane". He said satellites had found some objects in the water and expert analysis suggested they were worthy of closer scrutiny.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by philperth2010 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 1:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:46pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:48am:
He hasnt broken any forum rule.

Though his views are utterly despicable and insensitive.

People have died Greens, wind your head in.



Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:56am:
Greens, im giving you a very short leash on this.

Australians are on that lost plane and may well have died a horrendous death.
Australia is playing its part in an international effort to find out what happened.

Show some respect and decency or i will lock this thread.


Andrei, It seems that your power as a moderator has gone to your head. Your duties as a moderator are to police the forum rules. You have already admitted that the OP doesn't break any forum rules.

So you are using your power as a moderator to bully forum members just because their opinions differ to yours. That is completely unacceptable.

I disagree with the OP but i respect his right to say it. You already have a track record of only warning members of the left when they breach rules, I am yet to see any sort of warning when members of the right have the same breaches.

I think you should take some of your own advice and "pull your head in".


being a fair moderator does not exclude you from the right to express your opinion including about this disgusting and shocking thread.  I would not have thought it possible for lefties (and it is only lefties) complaining about spending a little bit of money for fuel in a search for a missing airliner.

but cut a multi-billion doallar program that is a complete failure and they scream.


Bullshit.....Look what Bobby has written about gay people and Andre has done nothing yet he threatens posters on a legitimate debate about the waste of taxpayers money.....You are all crap moderators IMO!!!

>:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:34pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:46pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:16pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:09pm:
Read my post—which you quoted—where I mention geostationary satellites.  ::)


You do realise, don't you, that those satellites have a finite amount of propulsion fuel onboard, right? The solar panels are for running the various systems onboard, not for propelling it around in space. They have to be careful what they use them for.

You have no idea!

Satellites circle the earth, orbiting over a different slice of Earth each orbit. You are the second rightarded with the idiotic view that satellites would be MOVED!


Think of a satellite orbit as the lines in Saturn's rings. A satellite travels along the axis of the rings and can see a relatively narrow field of view downward. The further outward you attempt to look, the lower the resolution of the image. That means that the satellite has to be repositioned in its orbit, essentially changing its latitude. That is why satellites would need to be moved. Just because a satellite is generally positioned over the Indian Ocean doesn't mean it can see everything in it despite being right above it. They actually have to be in a very specific position to view objects with a high degree of clarity.

No no no no!

Satellites do not travel in equatorial orbits—they travel in polar orbits, North–South and as the world rotates the satellite flies over a different slice of the world!

Satellites do NOT get moved!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:36pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:57pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:51pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:25am:
Then WHY did the simian raise false hopes in the families re that bit of debris in the South Pacific Ocean?

Huh?
Typical... is that the new brainstorm the Labor propagandists asked you to post Monkey Boy or did you come up with that one yourself. ::) ::) ::)
He merely stated in parliament the state of play.


What the Monkey Boy doesn't realise (or doesn't want to acknowledge) is that Abbott never once said "we have found the plane!" or even "we think we have possibly found the plane". He said satellites had found some objects in the water and expert analysis suggested they were worthy of closer scrutiny.

He was entirely too optimistic what the fuzzy pic of a bit of debris meant—raising false hopes in the families and conveniently providing distraction from Arfur having to stand down as Asst Treas. Look up the Hansard!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Grendel on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 2:39pm
Oh he was too optimistic in stating the facts was he?
You do take the cake Monkey Boy.... the bias and hate is strong in this one Yoda.  :D :D :D ::)

Oh wait...  wait.... ;D ;D ;D
he did it as a distraction....
quick out with the tinfoil hats the conspiranut has arrived.  :D :D :D

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by cods on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:08pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:57pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:51pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:25am:
Then WHY did the simian raise false hopes in the families re that bit of debris in the South Pacific Ocean?

Huh?
Typical... is that the new brainstorm the Labor propagandists asked you to post Monkey Boy or did you come up with that one yourself. ::) ::) ::)
He merely stated in parliament the state of play.


What the Monkey Boy doesn't realise (or doesn't want to acknowledge) is that Abbott never once said "we have found the plane!" or even "we think we have possibly found the plane". He said satellites had found some objects in the water and expert analysis suggested they were worthy of closer scrutiny.



they will do anything to make this Abbotts fault shows how sick and sad they really are..


do you remember them complaining when krudd was Kevin 007.. he didnt stop circling the globe for 7 months..I dont recall the shock horror how much that cost and only in his first 12 months..


all FOR WHAT.. selfies...hmmmmmmmmm

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by philperth2010 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:19pm

cods wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:57pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:51pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 11:25am:
Then WHY did the simian raise false hopes in the families re that bit of debris in the South Pacific Ocean?

Huh?
Typical... is that the new brainstorm the Labor propagandists asked you to post Monkey Boy or did you come up with that one yourself. ::) ::) ::)
He merely stated in parliament the state of play.


What the Monkey Boy doesn't realise (or doesn't want to acknowledge) is that Abbott never once said "we have found the plane!" or even "we think we have possibly found the plane". He said satellites had found some objects in the water and expert analysis suggested they were worthy of closer scrutiny.



they will do anything to make this Abbotts fault shows how sick and sad they really are..


do you remember them complaining when krudd was Kevin 007.. he didnt stop circling the globe for 7 months..I dont recall the shock horror how much that cost and only in his first 12 months..


all FOR WHAT.. selfies...hmmmmmmmmm


I was unaware it was Kevin Rudd who declared a budget emergency.....I do remember you complaining about Kevin Rudd from the day he became PM.....Why is Abbott above criticism or scrutiny???

:-? :-? :-?


Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Aussie on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:23pm
Lots of armchair experts have suddenly appeared.  I must have missed the news, because if I am to believe some, it is known this plane has gone down in an ocean.  Fact is (unless I have missed the news) we know SFA.

On the topic.....it is pretty obvious that Abbott overplayed the relevance of those photos under discussion.  He was obviously quite deliberately giving the impression the debris was credibly linked to the missing aircraft, and that Australia would leap into the skies and waters.  More recently, he has watered that down.

If anyone has used this 'photo' incident to play 'politics,' it is Phoney Tone.

I do not have enough information to come to any conclusion whether the application of the resources Australia has committed is appropriate, but it was funny to notice some comments in this Thread that no way ought any money be spent to re-position a satellite so that better images could be taken...the same people were some of those supporting our allocation of those aforesaid resources.

:D

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:26pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:23pm:
Fact is (unless I have missed the news) we know SFA.



Correct.

Sweet F A.





Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by cods on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:30pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:19pm:
I was unaware it was Kevin Rudd who declared a budget emergency.....I do remember you complaining about Kevin Rudd from the day he became PM.....Why is Abbott above criticism or scrutiny?



phil... dont you even think this is a lousy time to whinge about money..

as a Lib I would be absolutely disgusted if it was my side complaining so bitterly about a search for a missing plane...I just cannot believe it..

sorry!!! or justify it..its obscene.

thats all I am saying.. we saw more than enough waste over the past few years with no complaints..

and they call this more waste.....sorry you feel the need to support the unsupportable..

I trust you have no loved ones expecting to fly in 777 any time soon...

its strange how times like this give us a huge insight into how people really think...

on the one hand all over Manus Island..and on the other we should turn our backs on looking for a plane that has no explanation whatever..for its disappearance..

gone... forget it... move on..

maybe we should have left Bullimore.. and Diver imagine what whose brilliant saves cost.

no I didnt imagine I didnt even think about it.

I was glad we won.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:47pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:39pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:16pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 12:09pm:
Read my post—which you quoted—where I mention geostationary satellites.  ::)


You do realise, don't you, that those satellites have a finite amount of propulsion fuel onboard, right? The solar panels are for running the various systems onboard, not for propelling it around in space. They have to be careful what they use them for.

You have no idea!

Satellites circle the earth, orbiting over a different slice of Earth each orbit. You are the second rightarded with the idiotic view that satellites would be MOVED!


LMAO, you've got no idea how satellites work, have you? ;D ;D ;D


too much TV and movies and not enough actual education.


Geez. The world rotates, right? Satellites circle the world in orbits that go from north to south and back again, not around the equator. As the satellite orbits the world, as I said, rotates so the path, as traced onto the world, covers different territory every orbit. You may a remember a broadcast about something to do with space with a big map of the world on the wall and different curved lines drawn on it, one representing one orbit.

If you still don’t get it try wiki or something.

Sooner or later a satellite will find itself in the right place to take a photo of the right place on the world. That is how it is done. Moving satellites is NOT how it is done—for starters moving (accelerating) a satellite sees it move into a higher orbit.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:32pm
Correct—except that satellites would not be repositioned.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:34pm

cods wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:19pm:
I was unaware it was Kevin Rudd who declared a budget emergency.....I do remember you complaining about Kevin Rudd from the day he became PM.....Why is Abbott above criticism or scrutiny?



phil... dont you even think this is a lousy time to whinge about money..

as a Lib I would be absolutely disgusted if it was my side complaining so bitterly about a search for a missing plane...I just cannot believe it..

sorry!!! or justify it..its obscene.

thats all I am saying.. we saw more than enough waste over the past few years with no complaints..

and they call this more waste.....sorry you feel the need to support the unsupportable..

I trust you have no loved ones expecting to fly in 777 any time soon...

its strange how times like this give us a huge insight into how people really think...

on the one hand all over Manus Island..and on the other we should turn our backs on looking for a plane that has no explanation whatever..for its disappearance..

gone... forget it... move on..

maybe we should have left Bullimore.. and Diver imagine what whose brilliant saves cost.

no I didnt imagine I didnt even think about it.

I was glad we won.


Cods, the ocean is vast, we don’t know where the plane went down yet we are spending money by the bucketload. There are no survivors—we are NOT looking to rescue people.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Aussie on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:38pm

Quote:
There are no survivors..


Really.  Got a link?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:41pm
Can you survive 7 days without food or drink floating in the southern Indian ocean?


Hmmm—Armpit has just started ANOTHER thread on this subject, talking of a load of batteries on the plane—so maybe what theories there were guiding the search are wrong!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Aussie on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:50pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:41pm:
Can you survive 7 days without food or drink floating in the southern Indian ocean?


Hmmm—Armpit has just started ANOTHER thread on this subject, talking of a load of batteries on the plane—so maybe what theories there were guiding the search are wrong!


Who said the plane went down in an ocean, let alone the south of the Indian Ocean?

We do not know and all this speculating is bull poo.  It's like the contest about guessing how many jelly beans there are in a very large bottle....the bloke who made the correct guess will be able to say, ...."See told you.  How smart am I, wot?"

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:52pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:41pm:
Can you survive 7 days without food or drink floating in the southern Indian ocean?



It's been 14 days, hasn't it?



Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:55pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:41pm:
Hmmm—Armpit has just started ANOTHER thread on this subject, talking of a load of batteries on the plane—so maybe what theories there were guiding the search are wrong!



The battery story is old news.

I believe the plane had a load of fuel on board too.





Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:16pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 3:32pm:
Correct—except that satellites would not be repositioned.


Again, for the slow leftards...


Think of a satellite orbit as the lines in Saturn's rings. A satellite travels along the axis of the rings and can see a relatively narrow field of view downward. The further outward you attempt to look, the lower the resolution of the image. That means that the satellite has to be repositioned in its orbit, essentially changing its latitude. That is why satellites would need to be moved. Just because a satellite is generally positioned over the Indian Ocean doesn't mean it can see everything in it despite being right above it. They actually have to be in a very specific position to view objects with a high degree of clarity.


In other words, satellites follow straight paths. If you want them to look in other areas, they need to be repositioned, because they can only look straight down. Is this simple enough for you now?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:20pm
You are wrong! Satellites do NOT go around the bally equator! They move in polar orbits, 90° to your wrong idea of a equatorial orbit and as they orbit the world rotates so each orbit covers different stretch of territory! Look!it!up!

Here: http://www.satview.org/

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:32pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:20pm:
You are wrong! Satellites do NOT go around the bally equator! They move in polar orbits, 90° to your wrong idea of a equatorial orbit and as they orbit the world rotates so each orbit covers different stretch of territory! Look!it!up!

Here: http://www.satview.org/


From NASA:

Satellites can orbit Earth's equator or go over Earth's North and South Poles . . . or anything in between. They orbit at a low altitude of just a few hundred miles above Earth's surface or thousands of miles out in space.

The choice of orbit all depends on the satellite's job.


http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/geo-orbits/en/


I'll take your apology now...

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by muso on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:27pm

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?


Or the United States NTSB pulling up EgyptAir out of the Atlantic or the Irish pulling up Air India.

To not want to assist in a search for a missing passenger craft because "it costs too much" is parochial at best and downright callous at worst.

If there is a mechanical issue in one of the most sophisticated liners in the world we need to know it.

Boeing came close to have its 737s grounded once until faults were corrected.

Fortunately the Australian Government is acting as a normal participating nation in an international search.
Pity some with an axe to grind over ine politician cant see that.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:30pm

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?




777 were Introduced in 1995 and only one other has gone down (pilot error ~ frisco).
Nothing to do with a systems fault.

This is just a wild goose chase when tax payer funds are being ripped out of important areas.

If Abbott wasn't screwing everyone via doctor taxes etc, then him sqandering hundreds of millions wouldn't be so bad

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Aussie on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:30pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:27pm:

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?


Or the United States NTSB pulling up EgyptAir out of the Atlantic or the Irish pulling up Air India.

To not want to assist in a search for a missing passenger craft because "it costs too much" is parochial at best and downright callous at worst.

If there is a mechanical issue in one of the most sophisticated liners in the world we need to know it.

Boeing came close to have its 737s grounded once until faults were corrected.

Fortunately the Australian Government is acting as a normal participating nation in an international search.
Pity some with an axe to grind over ine politician cant see that.


Has Britain re-positioned all its relevant satellites to look at that area of the Indian Ocean/Southern Ocean, Andrei/  If not, why not?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:32pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:27pm:

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?


Or the United States NTSB pulling up EgyptAir out of the Atlantic or the Irish pulling up Air India.

To not want to assist in a search for a missing passenger craft because "it costs too much" is parochial at best and downright callous at worst.

If there is a mechanical issue in one of the most sophisticated liners in the world we need to know it.

Boeing came close to have its 737s grounded once until faults were corrected.

Fortunately the Australian Government is acting as a normal participating nation in an international search.
Pity some with an axe to grind over ine politician cant see that.



So it's a socialistic approach on the whim of a fault with an aircraft when it's a boeing issue if there was a fault. And it's nothing to do with us when it's an ecological issue like AGW.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:37pm
British Airways flight 38 Greens.
2008.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:47pm
Three in 19 yrs. So the argument that we have to fork out hundreds of millions on the grounds there could be a fault with the triple 7 doesn't hold water.


Tony is spending like a drunken sailor while expecting Australians to accept service cuts, job loses and lower life expectancies.


More certification of Costello's view that tony is an economic illiterate.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by muso on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:54pm

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?




777 were Introduced in 1995 and only one other has gone down (pilot error ~ frisco).
Nothing to do with a systems fault.

This is just a wild goose chase when tax payer funds are being ripped out of important areas.

If Abbott wasn't screwing everyone via doctor taxes etc, then him sqandering hundreds of millions wouldn't be so bad


You are assuming that this is not a system fault. We don't know that.  You are also assuming that the 1995 777s were identical to the more recent ones. That's a dangerous assumption.

You're assuming that it's not a fault that has developed over a certain period of time due to maintenance protocols or wear and tear or any number of reasons.

We can't afford to assume these things. We need to know for a fact. 

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:57pm

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:54pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?




777 were Introduced in 1995 and only one other has gone down (pilot error ~ frisco).
Nothing to do with a systems fault.

This is just a wild goose chase when tax payer funds are being ripped out of important areas.

If Abbott wasn't screwing everyone via doctor taxes etc, then him sqandering hundreds of millions wouldn't be so bad


You are assuming that this is not a system fault. We don't know that.  You are also assuming that the 1995 777s were identical to the more recent ones. That's a dangerous assumption.

You're assuming that it's not a fault that has developed over a certain period of time due to maintenance protocols or wear and tear or any number of reasons.

We can't afford to assume these things. We need to know for a fact. 



If there is a fault with 777s then that is the responsibility of boeing, not the tax payers of Australia.


Let Boeing finance the search.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:00pm
3 in 19 years.

In aviation terms a loss if registrred as 1:6 years is appalling if allowed unchecked,

Look at BA38 - crystals forming in the fuel propulsion delivery blocking the fuel from flowing to the hydraulics/engines.

The plane simply fell out of sky, it was mere bareass luck it was as close to Heathrow as it was so the pilot could crash land it with fire service support putting out any potential fire.

That was a system design failure.

19 years is nothing in aviation terms. Thats when cracks and faults will appear.

Take China Airlines 611.
It broke up mid air, fell out of the sky at cruising attitude in 5 pieces.
Why?
Because 12 years earlier its tail had struck the runway and had not been correctly repaired (platsering over the crack filed down instead of wholesale part replacement) what then happened over 12 years was stress and cracks grew mm by mm until systematic failure.

Like i said woody, ive been lucky to have been around aviation all my life - airshows, pilot bbqs etc - i know the absolute importance of identifying every unknown crsh.

Why do you think they carried on for 2 years to find the black boxes of AF447??

I think you havent had much aviation experience in comparison have you woody?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Aussie on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:04pm
Fact is....we know absolutely zero (unless truth is being with-held for operational reasons.)  Greens_Win raises a valid point. 

Some stuff is seen floating in the Southern Ocean.  Abbott goes politically ballistic claiming 'credible' links to the missing plane...activates the Mounties with great fanfare to the theme of Rocky, telling the World that we will discover what no-one has been able to (publicly) even suggest as likely ~ but has been softly back-peddling since.  For all he knows, he says, it could be a container having fallen of a ship.

Yeah.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:05pm
1 in 19 years.

Frisco was pilot error. This one may be an alien abduction and may never be found.

One in 19 years doesn't give grounds to squander tax payer cash like a drunken sailor.



The right support private enterprise, let business drive the search.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:05pm
We need to know a lot of things, including a truthful account by the Malaysians. We seem to be engaged on wild goose chases using expensive assets.

And the simina used the crash to distract from Arfur’s woes. You will find Acting PM Truss, am amiable old buffoon but with manners hosing down expectations about that bit of debris.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Alinta on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:06pm

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:54pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?




777 were Introduced in 1995 and only one other has gone down (pilot error ~ frisco).
Nothing to do with a systems fault.

This is just a wild goose chase when tax payer funds are being ripped out of important areas.

If Abbott wasn't screwing everyone via doctor taxes etc, then him sqandering hundreds of millions wouldn't be so bad


You are assuming that this is not a system fault. We don't know that.  You are also assuming that the 1995 777s were identical to the more recent ones. That's a dangerous assumption.

You're assuming that it's not a fault that has developed over a certain period of time due to maintenance protocols or wear and tear or any number of reasons.

We can't afford to assume these things. We need to know for a fact. 


Yes, check this out....

http://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/type/b772/boeing-777-200


Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:08pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:04pm:
Fact is....we know absolutely zero (unless truth is being with-held for operational reasons.)  Greens_Win raises a valid point. 

Some stuff is seen floating in the Southern Ocean.  Abbott goes politically ballistic claiming 'credible' links to the missing plane...activates the Mounties with great fanfare to the theme of Rocky, telling the World that we will discover what no-one has been able to (publicly) even suggest as likely ~ but has been softly back-peddling since.  For all he knows, he says, it could be a container having fallen of a ship.

Yeah.


Australia is playing its part in a desperate effort to identify the location of debris within a period of time to give a chance to identify cause in future.

Australia has certainly been viewed positively and behaved correctly.

To suggest that they dont do their part because of cost is just idiotic and not appreciating norms.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:14pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:04pm:
Fact is....we know absolutely zero (unless truth is being with-held for operational reasons.)  Greens_Win raises a valid point. 

Some stuff is seen floating in the Southern Ocean.  Abbott goes politically ballistic claiming 'credible' links to the missing plane...activates the Mounties with great fanfare to the theme of Rocky, telling the World that we will discover what no-one has been able to (publicly) even suggest as likely ~ but has been softly back-peddling since.  For all he knows, he says, it could be a container having fallen of a ship.

Yeah.


Australia is playing its part in a desperate effort to identify the location of debris within a period of time to give a chance to identify cause in future.

Australia has certainly been viewed positively and behaved correctly.

To suggest that they dont do their part because of cost is just idiotic and not appreciating norms.



Yet the right turns up it's nose to our agreement to treat refugees humanely.

Why all of a sudden do the right care what the world thinks of us after abbott dragging our reputation through the sewer.


If the right cared, they would support Australia pulling our weight of aid to developing countries, action of AGW etc etc

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Aussie on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:17pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:04pm:
Fact is....we know absolutely zero (unless truth is being with-held for operational reasons.)  Greens_Win raises a valid point. 

Some stuff is seen floating in the Southern Ocean.  Abbott goes politically ballistic claiming 'credible' links to the missing plane...activates the Mounties with great fanfare to the theme of Rocky, telling the World that we will discover what no-one has been able to (publicly) even suggest as likely ~ but has been softly back-peddling since.  For all he knows, he says, it could be a container having fallen of a ship.

Yeah.


Australia is playing its part in a desperate effort to identify the location of debris within a period of time to give a chance to identify cause in future.

Australia has certainly been viewed positively and behaved correctly.

To suggest that they dont do their part because of cost is just idiotic and not appreciating norms.


I'm happy that we send whatever is required if there is something warranting that we should.  Therein lies the problem which has been the basic thrust of this Thread.  We are throwing resources at a ghost, one which Abbott may have misled us and the rest of the Planet about.

Has the UK re-positioned its spy/intelligence satellites over that area Andrei?  If not, why not?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Neferti on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:18pm

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:19pm
I don't care for obsessive "Left " and "Right ".

None of that bothers me at all.

I just know. The first days following disappearance of an airliner is crucial on many fronts.
Australia is doing it's part - well done Australia. It's viewed positively from here.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Quantum on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:49pm
My goodness there are some hateful people on this forum. To pretend that Australia's search is completely unjustified shows unbelievable ignorance of the available evidence.

A week ago it was confirmed that several hours after it disappeared the plane was still transmitting to the satellite that it was still in the air. As the satellite can only give details as to how far away the plane was from the satellite at its last transmission, a thin area stretching from Kazakhstan to the southern regions of the Indian Ocean was considered the most likely area for the plan to be. This was done by assuming the plane had around 8 hours of fuel making it impossible to be beyond the ends of this line. Assuming the plane also flew straight and not around in circles, chances are it was indeed at the ends of this line.



Now why exactly is it so stupid to be checking an area where something was found in the water, when that very area was one of the two most likely places for the plane to be?

Several people on this forum are showing that their hate for this government has no logic. It is just fault finding for the fun of it. Even if the plane does happen to be found in this very area, the same idiots will probably just claim it was pure luck.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?




777 were Introduced in 1995 and only one other has gone down (pilot error ~ frisco).
Nothing to do with a systems fault.

This is just a wild goose chase when tax payer funds are being ripped out of important areas.

If Abbott wasn't screwing everyone via doctor taxes etc, then him sqandering hundreds of millions wouldn't be so bad


If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:19pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?




777 were Introduced in 1995 and only one other has gone down (pilot error ~ frisco).
Nothing to do with a systems fault.

This is just a wild goose chase when tax payer funds are being ripped out of important areas.

If Abbott wasn't screwing everyone via doctor taxes etc, then him sqandering hundreds of millions wouldn't be so bad


If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...



And Abbott is out to make wayne look a saint.

How many hundreds of millions of tax payer funds is abbott blowing for boeing and how will it be funded. More cuts to services and even more sackings?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Quantum on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:24pm

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?




777 were Introduced in 1995 and only one other has gone down (pilot error ~ frisco).
Nothing to do with a systems fault.

This is just a wild goose chase when tax payer funds are being ripped out of important areas.

If Abbott wasn't screwing everyone via doctor taxes etc, then him sqandering hundreds of millions wouldn't be so bad


If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...



And Abbott is out to make wayne look a saint.

How many hundreds of millions of tax payer funds is abbott blowing for boeing and how will it be funded. More cuts to services and even more sackings?


You are an idiot. The people and equipment involved in this search cost money whether they are out there or sitting in port. The cost of this is small. Stop pretending like a complete retard that if there was no search the cost would be zero.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:30pm

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?




777 were Introduced in 1995 and only one other has gone down (pilot error ~ frisco).
Nothing to do with a systems fault.

This is just a wild goose chase when tax payer funds are being ripped out of important areas.

If Abbott wasn't screwing everyone via doctor taxes etc, then him sqandering hundreds of millions wouldn't be so bad


If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...



And Abbott is out to make wayne look a saint.

How many hundreds of millions of tax payer funds is abbott blowing for boeing and how will it be funded. More cuts to services and even more sackings?


You truly are a piece of sh!t. I honestly hope you are one day in a position where your life depends on the SAR capabilities of this nation or any other and they decide to stop searching for you because of the cost of such a search. Maybe then you may find some compassion for what the relatives of the people on that tragic flight are experiencing. You cannot put a price on human lives. Get a life, loser.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Aussie on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:32pm
I'm sure there are better examples about the cost of these efforts, but.........

Click here.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:33pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:24pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?




777 were Introduced in 1995 and only one other has gone down (pilot error ~ frisco).
Nothing to do with a systems fault.

This is just a wild goose chase when tax payer funds are being ripped out of important areas.

If Abbott wasn't screwing everyone via doctor taxes etc, then him sqandering hundreds of millions wouldn't be so bad


If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...



And Abbott is out to make wayne look a saint.

How many hundreds of millions of tax payer funds is abbott blowing for boeing and how will it be funded. More cuts to services and even more sackings?


You are an idiot. The people and equipment involved in this search cost money whether they are out there or sitting in port. The cost of this is small. Stop pretending like a complete retard that if there was no search the cost would be zero.



If the cost is small them let boeing fund it.


How many billions will this wild goose chase cost?

The Australian-led search for missing Malaysian flight MH370 will continue indefinitely, Acting Prime Minister Warren Truss has said, as more resources are thrown at the operation.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-22/malaysia-airlines-mh370-search-area-expanded/5338496


These billions could of supported our car industry and the jobs connected for another decade.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:36pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:30pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?




777 were Introduced in 1995 and only one other has gone down (pilot error ~ frisco).
Nothing to do with a systems fault.

This is just a wild goose chase when tax payer funds are being ripped out of important areas.

If Abbott wasn't screwing everyone via doctor taxes etc, then him sqandering hundreds of millions wouldn't be so bad


If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...



And Abbott is out to make wayne look a saint.

How many hundreds of millions of tax payer funds is abbott blowing for boeing and how will it be funded. More cuts to services and even more sackings?


You truly are a piece of sh!t. I honestly hope you are one day in a position where your life depends on the SAR capabilities of this nation or any other and they decide to stop searching for you because of the cost of such a search. Maybe then you may find some compassion for what the relatives of the people on that tragic flight are experiencing. You cannot put a price on human lives. Get a life, loser.



And what of the relatives of the person abbott murdered in your concentration camp.

Cut the croc tears to try and support the economic illiterate abbott spending like a drunken sailor.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Aussie on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:38pm

Quote:
You are an idiot. The people and equipment involved in this search cost money whether they are out there or sitting in port. The cost of this is small.


So....all the stuff from Abbott about how much it was costing us to patrol the Seas to keep brown people out was just horse poo?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:32pm:
I'm sure there are better examples about the cost of these efforts, but.........

Click here.


This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Quantum on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:46pm

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:33pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:24pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?




777 were Introduced in 1995 and only one other has gone down (pilot error ~ frisco).
Nothing to do with a systems fault.

This is just a wild goose chase when tax payer funds are being ripped out of important areas.

If Abbott wasn't screwing everyone via doctor taxes etc, then him sqandering hundreds of millions wouldn't be so bad


If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...



And Abbott is out to make wayne look a saint.

How many hundreds of millions of tax payer funds is abbott blowing for boeing and how will it be funded. More cuts to services and even more sackings?


You are an idiot. The people and equipment involved in this search cost money whether they are out there or sitting in port. The cost of this is small. Stop pretending like a complete retard that if there was no search the cost would be zero.



If the cost is small them let boeing fund it.


They only build the plane idiot. If someone crashes their car in the bush you don't send the rescue costs to the car maker.


Quote:
How many billions will this wild goose chase cost?

The Australian-led search for missing Malaysian flight MH370 will continue indefinitely, Acting Prime Minister Warren Truss has said, as more resources are thrown at the operation.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-22/malaysia-airlines-mh370-search-area-expanded/5338496


These billions could of supported our car industry and the jobs connected for another decade.


Billions now? You are so stupid you should be put down for humanities sake. Fuel and servicing are the only real costs. It is not as if they are buying ships and planes for the search. They don't hire them, nor are the recruiting new officers for this particular search. All the big costs are covered. Stop being so unbelievably fuking stupid.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:47pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:32pm:
I'm sure there are better examples about the cost of these efforts, but.........

Click here.


This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.



It is about cost since Abbott is spending like a drunken sailor just because the debt ceiling has been lifted.

Meanwhile he wants Australians to prepare for hard times because the cons are crashing the economy.

What will be the spin when it's budget night and it's slash, burn and sack?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:48pm

Quote:
Australia’s acting prime minister, Warren Truss, tamped down expectations as Prime Minister Tony Abbott had to defend himself against accusation that he had jumped the gun.

“Something that was floating on the sea that long ago may no longer be floating – it may have slipped to the bottom,” he said.

“It’s also certain that any debris or other material would have moved a significant distance over that time, potentially hundreds of kilometres.”

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/22/Aussie-planes-search-remote-seas-Floating-debris-could-have-sunk-says-Abott/

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Aussie on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:50pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:32pm:
I'm sure there are better examples about the cost of these efforts, but.........

Click here.


This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


It is not all about cost, but cost is always a factor, and that is the subject of this Thread.

Have you established how many of its satellites the UK has deployed to this section of the Globe, Andrei?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:54pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:
This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


The topic was commenced in order to discuss costs - not morality, but it's turned into an indignant holier than thou sermon by a righteous few.

What is appalling is that this topic can't be discussed rationally without all the derogatory names being thrown at those with different views.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...


It was actually $268 billion borrowed over a period of 6 years - it's now $500 billion after just 6 months.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:56pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:46pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:33pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:24pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:

muso wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 5:01pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Can go around the equator—few do tho, polar is the orbit of choice and works like I explained three or four times.


George, you are showing your ignorance. Many satellites  are lauched into low inclination orbits.

You're also showing your ignorance in the OP. If there is a systemic fault in the 777, we need to know about it.

All countries collaborate in an aircraft goes down. How much do you think it cost Brasil in the search for the Air France  flight that went down mid atlantic?




777 were Introduced in 1995 and only one other has gone down (pilot error ~ frisco).
Nothing to do with a systems fault.

This is just a wild goose chase when tax payer funds are being ripped out of important areas.

If Abbott wasn't screwing everyone via doctor taxes etc, then him sqandering hundreds of millions wouldn't be so bad


If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...



And Abbott is out to make wayne look a saint.

How many hundreds of millions of tax payer funds is abbott blowing for boeing and how will it be funded. More cuts to services and even more sackings?


You are an idiot. The people and equipment involved in this search cost money whether they are out there or sitting in port. The cost of this is small. Stop pretending like a complete retard that if there was no search the cost would be zero.



If the cost is small them let boeing fund it.


They only build the plane idiot. If someone crashes their car in the bush you don't send the rescue costs to the car maker.


Quote:
How many billions will this wild goose chase cost?

The Australian-led search for missing Malaysian flight MH370 will continue indefinitely, Acting Prime Minister Warren Truss has said, as more resources are thrown at the operation.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-22/malaysia-airlines-mh370-search-area-expanded/5338496


These billions could of supported our car industry and the jobs connected for another decade.


Billions now? You are so stupid you should be put down for humanities sake. Fuel and servicing are the only real costs. It is not as if they are buying ships and planes for the search. They don't hire them, nor are the recruiting new officers for this particular search. All the big costs are covered. Stop being so unbelievably fuking stupid.



It's open ended cost according to the acting pm.

That means forking out Australian's cash hour after hour after hour every day, forever.

This is the economic pattern the libs support outside of the country while wanting the opposite in Australia.

Why isn't this cash being wasted in Australia so to create employment rather than being sunk into the Indian ocean.


What's next, the Collins subs search the indian ocean's floor for life rafts?

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Quantum on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:58pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Quote:
You are an idiot. The people and equipment involved in this search cost money whether they are out there or sitting in port. The cost of this is small.


So....all the stuff from Abbott about how much it was costing us to patrol the Seas to keep brown people out was just horse poo?


No, and thats a stupid example. Those forces are tied up permanently. That means they now simply exist to patrol our boarders. That means extra equipment and personal have been paid for and are still being paid for to maintain those patrols. That is completely different to one off searchers. If the Abbott government goes out and buys more planes because these ones are now dedicated to searching for this plane, then fine, the comparison is valid. Until then all these complaints about cost are just cheap political games.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:58pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Quote:
You are an idiot. The people and equipment involved in this search cost money whether they are out there or sitting in port. The cost of this is small.


So....all the stuff from Abbott about how much it was costing us to patrol the Seas to keep brown people out was just horse poo?


Relating border protection and racism is very poor form.
I have never seen asylum policy based upon race.

Again that's just your incorrect wild view.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:01pm

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:
This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


The topic was commenced in order to discuss costs - not morality, but it's turned into an indignant holier than thou sermon by a righteous few.

What is appalling is that this topic can't be discussed rationally without all the derogatory names being thrown at those with different views.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...


It was actually $268 billion borrowed over a period of 6 years - it's now $500 billion after just 6 months.


It shows a disgusting parochial view of the world moaning about Australia's cost in playing it's part in an international effort to locate a passenger airliner.

It's classic case of little Australia from people who just hate Abbott for no reason.

I'm very glad most Australians don't think or behave in this manner.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:03pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:32pm:
I'm sure there are better examples about the cost of these efforts, but.........

Click here.


This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


It is not all about cost, but cost is always a factor, and that is the subject of this Thread.

Have you established how many of its satellites the UK has deployed to this section of the Globe, Andrei?


No not all cost, some of it is driven by a select few who have a bizarre and unfounded hatred of the Australian Prime Minister.
It's quite bizarre just how much some on here hate him. A little sad even.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Aussie on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:08pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Quote:
You are an idiot. The people and equipment involved in this search cost money whether they are out there or sitting in port. The cost of this is small.


So....all the stuff from Abbott about how much it was costing us to patrol the Seas to keep brown people out was just horse poo?


No, and thats a stupid example. Those forces are tied up permanently. That means they now simply exist to patrol our boarders. That means extra equipment and personal have been paid for and are still being paid for to maintain those patrols. That is completely different to one off searchers. If the Abbott government goes out and buys more planes because these ones are now dedicated to searching for this plane, then fine, the comparison is valid. Until then all these complaints about cost are just cheap political games.


Aahh.  You came very quickly to my point.  This cannot ever be a 'one off,' unless Abbott wants to concede he was always shooting blanks.  There was, he said, credible links to the missing plane with the sighting of whatever was out there, floating.  Now, we take Andrei's point......which is ~ there is no limit to what must be spent to locate whatever was depicted in those satellite images.

So....when will this actually reach the stage of 'one off?'

If we merge Abbott's position with Andrei's.......there is no limit.......until:

(a)  Whatever it is, is located, or
(b)  Abbott abandones our search for this 'credible link,' and unless he declares it as no longer 'credible,' and therein lies the point GeorgeH was making) the only basis he will have to call it off will be..........................*drum roll*.......cost, and therein lies the point Greens_Win is making.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Aussie on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:13pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:32pm:
I'm sure there are better examples about the cost of these efforts, but.........

Click here.


This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


It is not all about cost, but cost is always a factor, and that is the subject of this Thread.

Have you established how many of its satellites the UK has deployed to this section of the Globe, Andrei?


No not all cost, some of it is driven by a select few who have a bizarre and unfounded hatred of the Australian Prime Minister.
It's quite bizarre just how much some on here hate him. A little sad even.


Andrei, you are all over the shop here.  Go back to the commencement of this Thread, and absorb what you have been saying as it progressed.  Were you always of that view you now express......i.e., Greens_Win commenced this Thread to have a go at Abbott?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:16pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:
It shows a disgusting parochial view of the world moaning about Australia's cost in playing it's part in an international effort to locate a passenger airliner.

It's classic case of little Australia from people who just hate Abbott for no reason.

I'm very glad most Australians don't think or behave in this manner.


Probably close to 50% of Australians do dislike Abbott, but it isn't mindless dislike - there are plenty of reasons why. You and like minded supporters might love his policies, but the other half of Australia don't. Abbott won the leadership by default because he didn't have a decent opposition. This isn't just a Liberal phenomenon. Half the population will always be discontent with the government of the day.

As far as hatred goes - there was far more hatred directed at Gillard, but those who don't support Abbott's policies aren't going to sit back and nod vacantly to legislation they find abhorrent. We are allowed to speak up.


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:18pm
I'm not all over the show. My view - as usual - remain absolutlely consistent.

1. Australia is quite rightly attempting to find potential debris spotted close to an area where the plane may have crashed.

2. Moaning about the cost is appalling parochial and poor when this is an international effort to find what happened and may highlight mechanical faults on a plane I travel on often like hundreds of thousands of others.

3. Several people let their unfounded hatred of the Australian PM force their hand in needing to be critical.

Bit like you always seem to run to the defence of an insane, megalomaniac in QLD, others feel the need to criticise Abbott.

I find people's views here to be pretty sad.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:22pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:18pm:
I'm not all over the show. My view - as usual - remain absolutlely consistent.

1. Australia is quite rightly attempting to find potential debris spotted close to an area where the plane may have crashed.

2. Moaning about the cost is appalling parochial and poor when this is an international effort to find what happened and may highlight mechanical faults on a plane I travel on often like hundreds of thousands of others.

3. Several people let their unfounded hatred of the Australian PM force their hand in needing to be critical.

Bit like you always seem to run to the defence of an insane, megalomaniac in QLD, others feel the need to criticise Abbott.

I find people's views here to be pretty sad.


How about you read what I posted, and answer the question, Andrei?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Pastafarian on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:26pm
I'm not Abbott lover, but seriously this thread is buggered up Greens Win. Dicknuts

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by alevine on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:27pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:18pm:
I'm not all over the show. My view - as usual - remain absolutlely consistent.

1. Australia is quite rightly attempting to find potential debris spotted close to an area where the plane may have crashed.

2. Moaning about the cost is appalling parochial and poor when this is an international effort to find what happened and may highlight mechanical faults on a plane I travel on often like hundreds of thousands of others.

3. Several people let their unfounded hatred of the Australian PM force their hand in needing to be critical.

Bit like you always seem to run to the defence of an insane, megalomaniac in QLD, others feel the need to criticise Abbott.

I find people's views here to be pretty sad.


What possible mechanical fault could have resulted in there being enough time for the plane to do a 360, dip up and down altitudes and then fly for 7 hours without a word from anyone on the plane and the actual equipment being turned off? 

Did the batteries cause a fire that was quick enough to destroy all communications and put all people on the plane into an unconscience state, but not strong enough to allow the plane to continue flying for 7 hours?

You're right in that we shouldn't be talking about costs, but not for the purpose of putting your mind at ease that it's some magical mechanical problem, but more so to give family of those on board some peace. 

The problem for Abbott will be if this search continues for weeks and reveals nothing, because it would be unpopular to stop a search after saying we have found the best evidence to date as to where the plane is.

But any criticism of Abbott in announcing the satellite images is unwarranted.  Of course he should've announced it and of course he should ensure we do our best in the search.  Here's to hoping we find something sooner rather than later.

Concentrating on cost is petty and pathetic. 

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Quantum on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:39pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:08pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Quote:
You are an idiot. The people and equipment involved in this search cost money whether they are out there or sitting in port. The cost of this is small.


So....all the stuff from Abbott about how much it was costing us to patrol the Seas to keep brown people out was just horse poo?


No, and thats a stupid example. Those forces are tied up permanently. That means they now simply exist to patrol our boarders. That means extra equipment and personal have been paid for and are still being paid for to maintain those patrols. That is completely different to one off searchers. If the Abbott government goes out and buys more planes because these ones are now dedicated to searching for this plane, then fine, the comparison is valid. Until then all these complaints about cost are just cheap political games.


Aahh.  You came very quickly to my point.  This cannot ever be a 'one off,' unless Abbott wants to concede he was always shooting blanks.  There was, he said, credible links to the missing plane with the sighting of whatever was out there, floating.  Now, we take Andrei's point......which is ~ there is no limit to what must be spent to locate whatever was depicted in those satellite images.

So....when will this actually reach the stage of 'one off?'

If we merge Abbott's position with Andrei's.......there is no limit.......until:

(a)  Whatever it is, is located, or
(b)  Abbott abandones our search for this 'credible link,' and unless he declares it as no longer 'credible,' and therein lies the point GeorgeH was making) the only basis he will have to call it off will be..........................*drum roll*.......cost, and therein lies the point Greens_Win is making.


No it's not. GeorgeH, greens win, and yourself are just looking for something to complain about.

As I said, if Abbott goes out and buys planes just to search for this one, then you may have a point. So far all that is being used are planes and a ship that are sitting there for this kind of thing. This is not a massive extra cost over the planes just sitting there or on training missions. This is not costing millions more then regular annual running costs and certainly not a chance in hell of costing billions more.

You and the others also seem to have missed the very important facts presented on the last page. That is that for over a week the plane was suspected to have crashed in this very area. It was one of the two most likely crash zones. Then australia just happens to find something in the water near that very spot. How could they not investigated? How much more creditable do you want for a plane that just vanished off the face of the earth two weeks ago? It is the best lead at the moment.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:45pm
Valid points Alev however i have no idea on whats happened like the rest of the world.

My view - which i admit comes from my father who is 777 simulator instructor - is that there was an incapacitating incident on board following an emergency turn west.
Then the plane rose to its ceiling limit before the kick in of the autopilot to right it at its preset altitude of 29,500 feet.

The plane then flew for 8 hours with an incapacitated crew for 8 hours before running out of fuel and ditching into the ocean about where the edge of that southern arc is.

Now was it mechanical fault?
Was it a fire?
Who knows. The voice recorder wont tell us anything. The data recorder though will. It will tell us whether they lost functions or switched them off for a start.

Who realized why AF447 ditched until we found them and realised the sensors froze and disengaged the auto?
Technically when it crashed there was nothing wrong with that Air France plane at all.

We just must find why.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:54pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Quote:
You are an idiot. The people and equipment involved in this search cost money whether they are out there or sitting in port. The cost of this is small.


So....all the stuff from Abbott about how much it was costing us to patrol the Seas to keep brown people out was just horse poo?


Relating border protection and racism is very poor form.
I have never seen asylum policy based upon race.

Again that's just your incorrect wild view.


yeah? Plenty of disgustingly racist remarks have been made by the Lib apologists here, torpedo the boats, anything as long as no brown people make it here. If you don’t share that then you are a RW saint.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by skippy. on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:55pm

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:38am:
How much is this needle in a haystack search costing taxpayers?

If this was a missing load of refugees, would Abbott commit hundreds of millions of dollars to search for them. If not, then why is abbott spending hundreds of millions on searching for MH370.


About time Abbott stopped spending like a drunken sailor.

This opening post needed bumping so those bagging greens win and others can take a big fat reality check.
Greens win asked the question would Abbott spend millions on looking for a refugee boat and the answer to that as we know is a big fat no. So the question needs to be asked why is he doing this? I happen to believe it is the right thing for him to do so, the sad thing is his reasons, which I suspect has a lot more to do with the fact he is  in the international spot light and feels compelled. If that is not the reason why does he let refugee boats sink, and or turn them around at sea clearly putting them at risk of sinking? Maybe take off your political bias hat Andrei and put on your moderator bi partisan one. ;)

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:59pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:08pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Quote:
You are an idiot. The people and equipment involved in this search cost money whether they are out there or sitting in port. The cost of this is small.


So....all the stuff from Abbott about how much it was costing us to patrol the Seas to keep brown people out was just horse poo?


No, and thats a stupid example. Those forces are tied up permanently. That means they now simply exist to patrol our boarders. That means extra equipment and personal have been paid for and are still being paid for to maintain those patrols. That is completely different to one off searchers. If the Abbott government goes out and buys more planes because these ones are now dedicated to searching for this plane, then fine, the comparison is valid. Until then all these complaints about cost are just cheap political games.


Aahh.  You came very quickly to my point.  This cannot ever be a 'one off,' unless Abbott wants to concede he was always shooting blanks.  There was, he said, credible links to the missing plane with the sighting of whatever was out there, floating.  Now, we take Andrei's point......which is ~ there is no limit to what must be spent to locate whatever was depicted in those satellite images.

So....when will this actually reach the stage of 'one off?'

If we merge Abbott's position with Andrei's.......there is no limit.......until:

(a)  Whatever it is, is located, or
(b)  Abbott abandones our search for this 'credible link,' and unless he declares it as no longer 'credible,' and therein lies the point GeorgeH was making) the only basis he will have to call it off will be..........................*drum roll*.......cost, and therein lies the point Greens_Win is making.


No it's not. GeorgeH, greens win, and yourself are just looking for something to complain about.

As I said, if Abbott goes out and buys planes just to search for this one, then you may have a point. So far all that is being used are planes and a ship that are sitting there for this kind of thing. This is not a massive extra cost over the planes just sitting there or on training missions. This is not costing millions more then regular annual running costs and certainly not a chance in hell of costing billions more.

You and the others also seem to have missed the very important facts presented on the last page. That is that for over a week the plane was suspected to have crashed in this very area. It was one of the two most likely crash zones. Then australia just happens to find something in the water near that very spot. How could they not investigated? How much more creditable do you want for a plane that just vanished off the face of the earth two weeks ago? It is the best lead at the moment.

That sounds all nice but to me this smells like an Abbott stunt, especially the statement in QT, especially with Truss now busy hosing down expectations. There are 3 Orions now.

For my part, I just wonder what the Malaysians are not telling us. Why did the transponders go off.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:00pm
Skippy youre right i have two hats- a moderator for rule application and my own hat of my opinion.

Re Tony Abbott. Ive said before and ill state again. I dont live in Aus, i dont vote there. His policies have no impact on my life in any way so im not partisan.
Im simply not. I actually hold no view on the guy. I do find it funny when the likes of George have such a hatred of him it clouds all judgement.

Anyway my view on this skippy is that its the right thing to do.
Telling boeing to pay for the search? Saying we should do nothing because it costs too much?
Idiotic.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:03pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Quote:
You are an idiot. The people and equipment involved in this search cost money whether they are out there or sitting in port. The cost of this is small.


So....all the stuff from Abbott about how much it was costing us to patrol the Seas to keep brown people out was just horse poo?


Relating border protection and racism is very poor form.
I have never seen asylum policy based upon race.

Again that's just your incorrect wild view.


yeah? Plenty of disgustingly racist remarks have been made by the Lib apologists here, torpedo the boats, anything as long as no brown people make it here. If you don’t share that then you are a RW saint.


Asylum policy and border protection are not linked to race.
There are no links made by any policy or Government announcements.

Ive always held a strong anti boat people policy. Completely unlinked to race.
I dont think in Britain we should allow in Eastern Europeans and they are white.

Race and border protection are not linked. Its stupid to do so.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:09pm
To be fair Skippy, your point on international spotlight is correct.

Our 11am newsheadlines here this morning

"Top stories this morning, Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott has said the search for the lost Malaysian aircraft will continue in the morning...."

First headline across Britain. Big Tone!

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Karnal on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:16pm
Funny how you’re arguing that race and immigration should not be linked now, Andrei. You’ve been saying our country should stop importing Pakis, Iranians and Arabs for years. Rubbish people, remember?

Now you’ve switched your focus to Poles and Romanians in England you pretend to be ever-so civilised.

You know what you are, Andrei?

You’re a Boer.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Karnal on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:20pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:00pm:
Skippy youre right i have two hats- a moderator for rule application and my own hat of my opinion.

Re Tony Abbott. Ive said before and ill state again. I dont live in Aus, i dont vote there. His policies have no impact on my life in any way so im not partisan.
Im simply not.


That’s right, son. You’re like the queen.

Strange though how you used to argue ever-so hard that you voted and paid taxes here and you were as dinky di as every other red-blooded Australian.

What turned your blood blue?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:22pm
Youll find Karnal that my view that boat people were rubbish people is not race linked.
I hold the same view.

People who get on those boats have failed in their country and are just looking for a better life.
Notice they arnt interested in non first world countries that wont pay them benefits? Funny that isnt it?

A sri lankan i work with put it right - "Those lot are crap Lankans. Failures. We dont want them you can have them"

Hence my point. Failures in their own country so want to leech off another.
Failures. Rubbish people.

Race? Nope. Not even part of it.

Try again or maybe go down to the thread where you want no age of consent for sex?!
Now THAT is shameful.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:25pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:22pm:
People who get on those boats have failed in their country and are just looking for a better life.



People looking for a better life?

Disgraceful!



Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:22pm:
People who get on those boats have failed in their country and are just looking for a better life.



People looking for a better life?

Disgraceful!


When you want someone else to pay for it?
Yes it is.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:29pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:22pm:
People who get on those boats have failed in their country and are just looking for a better life.



People looking for a better life?

Disgraceful!


When you want someone else to pay for it?
Yes it is.



I've never encountered anyone more obsessed with money than you.

Quite extraordinary.



Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:40pm
This thread is not related to the subject of asylum.
Lord knows there are enough of them and my views are consistent and clear so I'm not adding further.

Jump to those threads if you wish to discuss bogus asylum seekers.

This is about the rightful search for a lost passenger jet.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Karnal on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:22pm:
People who get on those boats have failed in their country and are just looking for a better life.



People looking for a better life?

Disgraceful!


Describes Andrei to a tee though, doesn’t it?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Karnal on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:33pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 9:22pm:
People who get on those boats have failed in their country and are just looking for a better life.



People looking for a better life?

Disgraceful!


When you want someone else to pay for it?
Yes it is.


That’s right. Daddy and some airline, wasn’t it?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:27am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:
This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


The topic was commenced in order to discuss costs - not morality, but it's turned into an indignant holier than thou sermon by a righteous few.

What is appalling is that this topic can't be discussed rationally without all the derogatory names being thrown at those with different views.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...


It was actually $268 billion borrowed over a period of 6 years - it's now $500 billion after just 6 months.


It shows a disgusting parochial view of the world moaning about Australia's cost in playing it's part in an international effort to locate a passenger airliner.

It's classic case of little Australia from people who just hate Abbott for no reason.

I'm very glad most Australians don't think or behave in this manner.


One-cell fukwits like Greenswhine are, thankfully, VERY. Much a tiny minority here.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:31am

skippy. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:55pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:38am:
How much is this needle in a haystack search costing taxpayers?

If this was a missing load of refugees, would Abbott commit hundreds of millions of dollars to search for them. If not, then why is abbott spending hundreds of millions on searching for MH370.


About time Abbott stopped spending like a drunken sailor.

This opening post needed bumping so those bagging greens win and others can take a big fat reality check.
Greens win asked the question would Abbott spend millions on looking for a refugee boat and the answer to that as we know is a big fat no. So the question needs to be asked why is he doing this? I happen to believe it is the right thing for him to do so, the sad thing is his reasons, which I suspect has a lot more to do with the fact he is  in the international spot light and feels compelled. If that is not the reason why does he let refugee boats sink, and or turn them around at sea clearly putting them at risk of sinking? Maybe take off your political bias hat Andrei and put on your moderator bi partisan one. ;)


There is only one reason he's doing this and that's because we have to. It's in our SAR area of responsibility.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:50am
Mr Hussein said he had no idea of the cost of the two-week search, across two vast areas in the north and south.

“Nobody, not the Malaysian Government, none of our partners, have talked about dollars and cents. It is all about trying to find the aircraft,” Mr Hussein said.

“Whenever there is still hope that the passengers are still alive we must continue to find that aircraft,” he said.



You're all alone on this, Greenswhine!

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:06am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:
This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


The topic was commenced in order to discuss costs - not morality, but it's turned into an indignant holier than thou sermon by a righteous few.

What is appalling is that this topic can't be discussed rationally without all the derogatory names being thrown at those with different views.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...


It was actually $268 billion borrowed over a period of 6 years - it's now $500 billion after just 6 months.


It shows a disgusting parochial view of the world moaning about Australia's cost in playing it's part in an international effort to locate a passenger airliner.

It's classic case of little Australia from people who just hate Abbott for no reason.

I'm very glad most Australians don't think or behave in this manner.


One-cell fukwits like Greenswhine are, thankfully, VERY. Much a tiny minority here.



Andrei, this is personal abuse and ignoring it shows you are not impartial as you pretend.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:10am

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:
This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


The topic was commenced in order to discuss costs - not morality, but it's turned into an indignant holier than thou sermon by a righteous few.

What is appalling is that this topic can't be discussed rationally without all the derogatory names being thrown at those with different views.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...


It was actually $268 billion borrowed over a period of 6 years - it's now $500 billion after just 6 months.


It shows a disgusting parochial view of the world moaning about Australia's cost in playing it's part in an international effort to locate a passenger airliner.

It's classic case of little Australia from people who just hate Abbott for no reason.

I'm very glad most Australians don't think or behave in this manner.


One-cell fukwits like Greenswhine are, thankfully, VERY. Much a tiny minority here.



Andrei, this is personal abuse and ignoring it shows you are not impartial as you pretend.


Consider yourself lucky you weren't banned for creating this ridiculous thread. No one is harping on about the cost except you - no one.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:11am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:50am:
Mr Hussein said he had no idea of the cost of the two-week search, across two vast areas in the north and south.

“Nobody, not the Malaysian Government, none of our partners, have talked about dollars and cents. It is all about trying to find the aircraft,” Mr Hussein said.

“Whenever there is still hope that the passengers are still alive we must continue to find that aircraft,” he said.



You're all alone on this, Greenswhine!



Why don't the cons come clean and admit they want good news for the senate election in the west.

Drift from the supposed parts has already pinpointed where the plane would of gone down. Send one vessel there and pick up the beaker on the seafloor.

Then scale the cash drain down.


Unfortunately we have an economic illiterate in charge and all he can do is throw cash around like a drunken sailor.


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:14am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:10am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:
This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


The topic was commenced in order to discuss costs - not morality, but it's turned into an indignant holier than thou sermon by a righteous few.

What is appalling is that this topic can't be discussed rationally without all the derogatory names being thrown at those with different views.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...


It was actually $268 billion borrowed over a period of 6 years - it's now $500 billion after just 6 months.


It shows a disgusting parochial view of the world moaning about Australia's cost in playing it's part in an international effort to locate a passenger airliner.

It's classic case of little Australia from people who just hate Abbott for no reason.

I'm very glad most Australians don't think or behave in this manner.


One-cell fukwits like Greenswhine are, thankfully, VERY. Much a tiny minority here.



Andrei, this is personal abuse and ignoring it shows you are not impartial as you pretend.


Consider yourself lucky you weren't banned for creating this ridiculous thread. No one is harping on about the cost except you - no one.



I am not the one abusing and the thread is on topic since abbott says we have a budget emergency while spending like a drunken sailor so to try and boost his ego on the world stage because he knows he is so unpopular back in Australia.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:19am

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:10am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:
This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


The topic was commenced in order to discuss costs - not morality, but it's turned into an indignant holier than thou sermon by a righteous few.

What is appalling is that this topic can't be discussed rationally without all the derogatory names being thrown at those with different views.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...


It was actually $268 billion borrowed over a period of 6 years - it's now $500 billion after just 6 months.


It shows a disgusting parochial view of the world moaning about Australia's cost in playing it's part in an international effort to locate a passenger airliner.

It's classic case of little Australia from people who just hate Abbott for no reason.

I'm very glad most Australians don't think or behave in this manner.


One-cell fukwits like Greenswhine are, thankfully, VERY. Much a tiny minority here.



Andrei, this is personal abuse and ignoring it shows you are not impartial as you pretend.


Consider yourself lucky you weren't banned for creating this ridiculous thread. No one is harping on about the cost except you - no one.



I am not the one abusing and the thread is on topic since abbott says we have a budget emergency while spending like a drunken sailor so to try and boost his ego on the world stage because he knows he is so unpopular back in Australia.


You know we HAVE to do this search as part of our international obligations. The search area is within our SAR zone of responsibility, so even if Abbott didn't want to do it he wouldn't have a choice. Now, stop this nonsense and STFU! >:(

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:25am

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:10am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:
This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


The topic was commenced in order to discuss costs - not morality, but it's turned into an indignant holier than thou sermon by a righteous few.

What is appalling is that this topic can't be discussed rationally without all the derogatory names being thrown at those with different views.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...


It was actually $268 billion borrowed over a period of 6 years - it's now $500 billion after just 6 months.


It shows a disgusting parochial view of the world moaning about Australia's cost in playing it's part in an international effort to locate a passenger airliner.

It's classic case of little Australia from people who just hate Abbott for no reason.

I'm very glad most Australians don't think or behave in this manner.


One-cell fukwits like Greenswhine are, thankfully, VERY. Much a tiny minority here.



Andrei, this is personal abuse and ignoring it shows you are not impartial as you pretend.


Consider yourself lucky you weren't banned for creating this ridiculous thread. No one is harping on about the cost except you - no one.



I am not the one abusing and the thread is on topic since abbott says we have a budget emergency while spending like a drunken sailor so to try and boost his ego on the world stage because he knows he is so unpopular back in Australia.

Not quite right.

Abbott is despised by most other national Leaders for, among other things, trying to stop Australia’s effort to fight climate change, for supporting the war criminals running Shri Lankas so he can send Tamils that make it to Australia back there to be persecuted. He is a pariah, and will make this country a pariah among nations. So he is making a big deal of looking for bits of the plane to try and rehabilitate his image internationally. He is that simple and transparent.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:27am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:19am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:10am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:
This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


The topic was commenced in order to discuss costs - not morality, but it's turned into an indignant holier than thou sermon by a righteous few.

What is appalling is that this topic can't be discussed rationally without all the derogatory names being thrown at those with different views.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...


It was actually $268 billion borrowed over a period of 6 years - it's now $500 billion after just 6 months.


It shows a disgusting parochial view of the world moaning about Australia's cost in playing it's part in an international effort to locate a passenger airliner.

It's classic case of little Australia from people who just hate Abbott for no reason.

I'm very glad most Australians don't think or behave in this manner.


One-cell fukwits like Greenswhine are, thankfully, VERY. Much a tiny minority here.



Andrei, this is personal abuse and ignoring it shows you are not impartial as you pretend.


Consider yourself lucky you weren't banned for creating this ridiculous thread. No one is harping on about the cost except you - no one.



I am not the one abusing and the thread is on topic since abbott says we have a budget emergency while spending like a drunken sailor so to try and boost his ego on the world stage because he knows he is so unpopular back in Australia.


You know we HAVE to do this search as part of our international obligations. The search area is within our SAR zone of responsibility, so even if Abbott didn't want to do it he wouldn't have a choice. Now, stop this nonsense and STFU! >:(



A question that must be asked is where is our border security when illegal aircraft can just meander around it without being noticed. Perhaps Abbott should spend less time raiding East Timor lawyers and bugging President's wife and protect our borders from rouge crafts.

What if this had been a terrorist attack and the plane was used to crash into an Australian population.


Abbott is weak on border protection while strong on wasting tax payer's cash.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:27am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:25am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:10am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:
This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


The topic was commenced in order to discuss costs - not morality, but it's turned into an indignant holier than thou sermon by a righteous few.

What is appalling is that this topic can't be discussed rationally without all the derogatory names being thrown at those with different views.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...


It was actually $268 billion borrowed over a period of 6 years - it's now $500 billion after just 6 months.


It shows a disgusting parochial view of the world moaning about Australia's cost in playing it's part in an international effort to locate a passenger airliner.

It's classic case of little Australia from people who just hate Abbott for no reason.

I'm very glad most Australians don't think or behave in this manner.


One-cell fukwits like Greenswhine are, thankfully, VERY. Much a tiny minority here.



Andrei, this is personal abuse and ignoring it shows you are not impartial as you pretend.


Consider yourself lucky you weren't banned for creating this ridiculous thread. No one is harping on about the cost except you - no one.



I am not the one abusing and the thread is on topic since abbott says we have a budget emergency while spending like a drunken sailor so to try and boost his ego on the world stage because he knows he is so unpopular back in Australia.

Not quite right.

Abbott is despised by most other national Leaders for, among other things, trying to stop Australia’s effort to fight climate change, for supporting the war criminals running Shri Lankas so he can send Tamils that make it to Australia back there to be persecuted. He is a pariah, and will make this country a pariah among nations. So he is making a big deal of looking for bits of the plane to try and rehabilitate his image internationally. He is that simple and transparent.


Would those "rat f&ckers" in Beijing be as helpful as they are now if Rudd was still PM? Somehow, I doubt it.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:30am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:27am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:25am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:10am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:
This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


The topic was commenced in order to discuss costs - not morality, but it's turned into an indignant holier than thou sermon by a righteous few.

What is appalling is that this topic can't be discussed rationally without all the derogatory names being thrown at those with different views.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...


It was actually $268 billion borrowed over a period of 6 years - it's now $500 billion after just 6 months.


It shows a disgusting parochial view of the world moaning about Australia's cost in playing it's part in an international effort to locate a passenger airliner.

It's classic case of little Australia from people who just hate Abbott for no reason.

I'm very glad most Australians don't think or behave in this manner.


One-cell fukwits like Greenswhine are, thankfully, VERY. Much a tiny minority here.



Andrei, this is personal abuse and ignoring it shows you are not impartial as you pretend.


Consider yourself lucky you weren't banned for creating this ridiculous thread. No one is harping on about the cost except you - no one.



I am not the one abusing and the thread is on topic since abbott says we have a budget emergency while spending like a drunken sailor so to try and boost his ego on the world stage because he knows he is so unpopular back in Australia.

Not quite right.

Abbott is despised by most other national Leaders for, among other things, trying to stop Australia’s effort to fight climate change, for supporting the war criminals running Shri Lankas so he can send Tamils that make it to Australia back there to be persecuted. He is a pariah, and will make this country a pariah among nations. So he is making a big deal of looking for bits of the plane to try and rehabilitate his image internationally. He is that simple and transparent.


Would those "rat f&ckers" in Beijing be as helpful as they are now if Rudd was still PM? Somehow, I doubt it.



Most of the passengers were chinese so Rudd being respected in China, the chinese would of carried more of the financial responsibility.

They are probably sitting back and laughing at abbott squandering cash and making australian assets cheaper for purchase in the near future because of Abbott's created budget emergency.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:33am

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:27am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:25am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:10am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:
This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


The topic was commenced in order to discuss costs - not morality, but it's turned into an indignant holier than thou sermon by a righteous few.

What is appalling is that this topic can't be discussed rationally without all the derogatory names being thrown at those with different views.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...


It was actually $268 billion borrowed over a period of 6 years - it's now $500 billion after just 6 months.


It shows a disgusting parochial view of the world moaning about Australia's cost in playing it's part in an international effort to locate a passenger airliner.

It's classic case of little Australia from people who just hate Abbott for no reason.

I'm very glad most Australians don't think or behave in this manner.


One-cell fukwits like Greenswhine are, thankfully, VERY. Much a tiny minority here.



Andrei, this is personal abuse and ignoring it shows you are not impartial as you pretend.


Consider yourself lucky you weren't banned for creating this ridiculous thread. No one is harping on about the cost except you - no one.



I am not the one abusing and the thread is on topic since abbott says we have a budget emergency while spending like a drunken sailor so to try and boost his ego on the world stage because he knows he is so unpopular back in Australia.

Not quite right.

Abbott is despised by most other national Leaders for, among other things, trying to stop Australia’s effort to fight climate change, for supporting the war criminals running Shri Lankas so he can send Tamils that make it to Australia back there to be persecuted. He is a pariah, and will make this country a pariah among nations. So he is making a big deal of looking for bits of the plane to try and rehabilitate his image internationally. He is that simple and transparent.


Would those "rat f&ckers" in Beijing be as helpful as they are now if Rudd was still PM? Somehow, I doubt it.



Most of the passengers were chinese so Abbott being respected in China, the chinese would of carried more of the financial responsibility.

They are probably sitting back and laughing at abbott squandering cash.


Wow, you're getting more deluded and un-hinged by the day! Time to start taking your meds again...

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:34am
Hmmmm it is JBish offended the Chinese. The simian didn’t impress calling the Chinese his best friend then saying the very same thing to the Japanese Leader.

Abbott is despised internationally already.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:35am
And armchair falls back into his defeat position and turns to personal abuse.

At least you're predictable.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 7:46am
Luxury business jets wouldn't come cheap.


Quote:
Two of the fastest and longest-range commercial jets in the country are boosting what is believed to be the largest multinational search mission in Australian history to find the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

The luxury business jets, with top speeds of 950km/h and ranges up to 12,000 kilometres, will increase the ability of a coalition of nations that includes China, Britain and Japan to scour the southern Indian Ocean for wreckage from the airliner that disappeared without a trace two weeks ago.

The jets, a Bombardier Global Express and a Gulfstream G5, are carrying emergency service volunteers as spotters.

Chartered out of Perth Airport by the Australian Maritime Safety Authority, they took the total number of aircraft searching on Saturday to six, adding to three P3-Orions from Australia and one from New Zealand.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/topline-jets-join-australian-hunt-for-missing-plane-20140322-35adi.html

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:00am
well AP we at least know who the REAL racist and lowest of the low minded are...the only thing I can compare this reasoning too is the anti Morcombe mob...the ones who claim the only reason they made a child protection foundation was so the public would pay their bills for them.. talk about low  and all lefties...you know the ones.. the ones who claim to care about people on  MANUS...total liars...

they just dont see it either...

I am so disgusted I wonder if they would be saying this if krudd was PM...

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:05am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:34am:
Hmmmm it is JBish offended the Chinese. The simian didn’t impress calling the Chinese his best friend then saying the very same thing to the Japanese Leader.

Abbott is despised internationally already.




not so..

he is despised by the sickos on here who cannot adjust to the fact he BEAT THEIR WACKO HERO KRUDD...

the way you display your bitterness at being such a sore loser is appalling...i would definitely not want that character flaw broadcast.

I am taking it if shorty was PM we would be sitting on our hands doing nothing.

telling the world we are tooooooo pooooooor..

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:06am

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:35am:
And armchair falls back into his defeat position and turns to personal abuse.

At least you're predictable.




so are the  despicable cowards,.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:10am

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:00am:
well AP we at least know who the REAL racist and lowest of the low minded are...the only thing I can compare this reasoning too is the anti Morcombe mob...the ones who claim the only reason they made a child protection foundation was so the public would pay their bills for them.. talk about low  and all lefties...you know the ones.. the ones who claim to care about people on  MANUS...total liars...

they just dont see it either...

I am so disgusted I wonder if they would be saying this if krudd was PM...


No-one made such an absurd claim.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:21am

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:06am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:35am:
And armchair falls back into his defeat position and turns to personal abuse.

At least you're predictable.




so are the  despicable cowards,.



Talk is cheap ... especially when it's void of reasoning.

A coward would be a rusted on fence sitter, too scared to challenge a hard right pm of spending like a drunken sailor.

If Labor was in government, I bet cons would be questioning the government over costs. If not, then your lot would be letting your side down.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by True Blue... on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:25am
Once again Green you prove what a piece of garbage you are like all greens.

You'd want them out looking if you had a loved one on that plane. 

And how ma y millions do you nut case's spend on chasing whales around?

Or maybe you just don't like Asians and you just want them to rot in the sea being eaten by sharks  >:(

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:41am
True Blue, once again you charge in blundering.

I am not against spending on search and rescue, I am against Abbott spending our money just for his ego.

If Australia carried it's fair share of responsibility, would other nations do their fair share?



It's a bit like carbon pollution, righties claim China is the biggest polluter so should take the bigger responsibility.
Now we have a missing plane where chinese nationals are the biggest percentage and Abbott is spending the most out of all the countries.

Where is the logic or is Abbott trying to win a popularity contest in China with our cash?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:43am

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:05am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:34am:
Hmmmm it is JBish offended the Chinese. The simian didn’t impress calling the Chinese his best friend then saying the very same thing to the Japanese Leader.

Abbott is despised internationally already.




not so..

he is despised by the sickos on here who cannot adjust to the fact he BEAT THEIR WACKO HERO KRUDD...

the way you display your bitterness at being such a sore loser is appalling...i would definitely not want that character flaw broadcast.

I am taking it if shorty was PM we would be sitting on our hands doing nothing.

telling the world we are tooooooo pooooooor..

Rudd is not my hero, the whiteanting traitor!

But cods you have to get out more. What I said about the simian and JBish is true. They are pariahs on the world stage and will drag us down to that status too unless we all oppose the stupid, mean, empty posturing of Abbott. FFS cods, Britain wants to have a war crimes tribunal into Shri Lanka, the simian gave them patrol boats the better to stop the victims of persecution fleeing the country. You are WRONG!

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:47am

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:10am:

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:00am:
well AP we at least know who the REAL racist and lowest of the low minded are...the only thing I can compare this reasoning too is the anti Morcombe mob...the ones who claim the only reason they made a child protection foundation was so the public would pay their bills for them.. talk about low  and all lefties...you know the ones.. the ones who claim to care about people on  MANUS...total liars...

they just dont see it either...

I am so disgusted I wonder if they would be saying this if krudd was PM...


No-one made such an absurd claim.




you did claim they have made a living out of the dead son.. >:( >:(

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:49am

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:21am:

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:06am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:35am:
And armchair falls back into his defeat position and turns to personal abuse.

At least you're predictable.




so are the  despicable cowards,.



Talk is cheap ... especially when it's void of reasoning.

A coward would be a rusted on fence sitter, too scared to challenge a hard right pm of spending like a drunken sailor.

If Labor was in government, I bet cons would be questioning the government over costs. If not, then your lot would be letting your side down.





a coward is one who also runs away from his/her responsibility...

but being a greenie you wouldnt understand

RESPONSIBILITY would you?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:50am

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:47am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:10am:

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:00am:
well AP we at least know who the REAL racist and lowest of the low minded are...the only thing I can compare this reasoning too is the anti Morcombe mob...the ones who claim the only reason they made a child protection foundation was so the public would pay their bills for them.. talk about low  and all lefties...you know the ones.. the ones who claim to care about people on  MANUS...total liars...

they just dont see it either...

I am so disgusted I wonder if they would be saying this if krudd was PM...


No-one made such an absurd claim.




you did claim they have made a living out of the dead son.. >:( >:(


Something entirely different from:


Quote:
.the ones who claim the only reason they made a child protection foundation was so the public would pay their bills for them..


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:54am

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:41am:
True Blue, once again you charge in blundering.

I am not against spending on search and rescue, I am against Abbott spending our money just for his ego.

If Australia carried it's fair share of responsibility, would other nations do their fair share?



It's a bit like carbon pollution, righties claim China is the biggest polluter so should take the bigger responsibility.
Now we have a missing plane where chinese nationals are the biggest percentage and Abbott is spending the most out of all the countries.

Where is the logic or is Abbott trying to win a popularity contest in China with our cash?



China is looking.. so is th e USA so is Britain  so is Japan.... the place you lefties are whinging about is more on our doorstep than theirs...


LOGIC he talks about LOGIC... when they opened the floodgates to thousands swarming into our country and didnt give a tinkers cuss about people drowning..in the attempt.. anything was b etter than waiting in line.. ::) ::)

thats LOGIC greenwise.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:55am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:43am:

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:05am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:34am:
Hmmmm it is JBish offended the Chinese. The simian didn’t impress calling the Chinese his best friend then saying the very same thing to the Japanese Leader.

Abbott is despised internationally already.




not so..

he is despised by the sickos on here who cannot adjust to the fact he BEAT THEIR WACKO HERO KRUDD...

the way you display your bitterness at being such a sore loser is appalling...i would definitely not want that character flaw broadcast.

I am taking it if shorty was PM we would be sitting on our hands doing nothing.

telling the world we are tooooooo pooooooor..

Rudd is not my hero, the whiteanting traitor!

But cods you have to get out more. What I said about the simian and JBish is true. They are pariahs on the world stage and will drag us down to that status too unless we all oppose the stupid, mean, empty posturing of Abbott. for goodness sake cods, Britain wants to have a war crimes tribunal into Shri Lanka, the simian gave them patrol boats the better to stop the victims of persecution fleeing the country. You are WRONG!




WHAT THE HELL HAS ALL THAT TO DO WITH A MISSING PLANE WITH 240 SOULS ON IT... THAT LEFTIES DONT WANT US TO SEARCH FOR BECAUSE IT COSTS TOO MUCH.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:01am
I accept your total surrender cods. Abbott is already an international pariah and the country will be too if we don’t all stand up and demand proper government. The simian is spending like a drunken sailor on this search purely to try and curry favor internationally and domestically. His speech in QT on the bit of flotsam spotted cruelly raised false hopes in the families concerned, just so he could have his little stunt.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:07am

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:49am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:21am:

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:06am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:35am:
And armchair falls back into his defeat position and turns to personal abuse.

At least you're predictable.




so are the  despicable cowards,.



Talk is cheap ... especially when it's void of reasoning.

A coward would be a rusted on fence sitter, too scared to challenge a hard right pm of spending like a drunken sailor.

If Labor was in government, I bet cons would be questioning the government over costs. If not, then your lot would be letting your side down.





a coward is one who also runs away from his/her responsibility...

but being a greenie you wouldnt understand

RESPONSIBILITY would you?



Like the way the right is running away from our responsibility of refugees, pollution, debt, employment, transparency, disabled, homelessness and the list goes on.


Does this mean the righties are the real cowards? 

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:10am

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:54am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:41am:
True Blue, once again you charge in blundering.

I am not against spending on search and rescue, I am against Abbott spending our money just for his ego.

If Australia carried it's fair share of responsibility, would other nations do their fair share?



It's a bit like carbon pollution, righties claim China is the biggest polluter so should take the bigger responsibility.
Now we have a missing plane where chinese nationals are the biggest percentage and Abbott is spending the most out of all the countries.

Where is the logic or is Abbott trying to win a popularity contest in China with our cash?



China is looking.. so is th e USA so is Britain  so is Japan.... the place you lefties are whinging about is more on our doorstep than theirs...


LOGIC he talks about LOGIC... when they opened the floodgates to thousands swarming into our country and didnt give a tinkers cuss about people drowning..in the attempt.. anything was b etter than waiting in line.. ::) ::)

thats LOGIC greenwise.



How many ships and planes are the chinese employing verses Abbott is making you and everone else pay for.

Since you are so on the ball (sarcasm), come back with stats cod.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:12am

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:55am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:43am:

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:05am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:34am:
Hmmmm it is JBish offended the Chinese. The simian didn’t impress calling the Chinese his best friend then saying the very same thing to the Japanese Leader.

Abbott is despised internationally already.




not so..

he is despised by the sickos on here who cannot adjust to the fact he BEAT THEIR WACKO HERO KRUDD...

the way you display your bitterness at being such a sore loser is appalling...i would definitely not want that character flaw broadcast.

I am taking it if shorty was PM we would be sitting on our hands doing nothing.

telling the world we are tooooooo pooooooor..

Rudd is not my hero, the whiteanting traitor!

But cods you have to get out more. What I said about the simian and JBish is true. They are pariahs on the world stage and will drag us down to that status too unless we all oppose the stupid, mean, empty posturing of Abbott. for goodness sake cods, Britain wants to have a war crimes tribunal into Shri Lanka, the simian gave them patrol boats the better to stop the victims of persecution fleeing the country. You are WRONG!




WHAT THE HELL HAS ALL THAT TO DO WITH A MISSING PLANE WITH 240 SOULS ON IT... THAT LEFTIES DONT WANT US TO SEARCH FOR BECAUSE IT COSTS TOO MUCH.

That is a lie, re lefties not wanting the plane searched for. We just want some focus to the search and for Abbott not to treat it as a way of improving his domestic and international standing!

After all this time would any parts of the plane still be floating? Can the black boxes be recovered, very doubtful. Are the Malaysians still hiding information? Probably.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:13am

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:55am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:43am:

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:05am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:34am:
Hmmmm it is JBish offended the Chinese. The simian didn’t impress calling the Chinese his best friend then saying the very same thing to the Japanese Leader.

Abbott is despised internationally already.




not so..

he is despised by the sickos on here who cannot adjust to the fact he BEAT THEIR WACKO HERO KRUDD...

the way you display your bitterness at being such a sore loser is appalling...i would definitely not want that character flaw broadcast.

I am taking it if shorty was PM we would be sitting on our hands doing nothing.

telling the world we are tooooooo pooooooor..

Rudd is not my hero, the whiteanting traitor!

But cods you have to get out more. What I said about the simian and JBish is true. They are pariahs on the world stage and will drag us down to that status too unless we all oppose the stupid, mean, empty posturing of Abbott. for goodness sake cods, Britain wants to have a war crimes tribunal into Shri Lanka, the simian gave them patrol boats the better to stop the victims of persecution fleeing the country. You are WRONG!




WHAT THE HELL HAS ALL THAT TO DO WITH A MISSING PLANE WITH 240 SOULS ON IT... THAT LEFTIES DONT WANT US TO SEARCH FOR BECAUSE IT COSTS TOO MUCH.



So this is a blank cheque?

What happened to the budget emergency?

Who and how will this blank cheque be paid for. Should pensioners give up some of their income so to fund Abbott's drunken sailor spending.

Will you help to fund this?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by skippy. on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:20am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:19am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:10am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:
This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


The topic was commenced in order to discuss costs - not morality, but it's turned into an indignant holier than thou sermon by a righteous few.

What is appalling is that this topic can't be discussed rationally without all the derogatory names being thrown at those with different views.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...


It was actually $268 billion borrowed over a period of 6 years - it's now $500 billion after just 6 months.


It shows a disgusting parochial view of the world moaning about Australia's cost in playing it's part in an international effort to locate a passenger airliner.

It's classic case of little Australia from people who just hate Abbott for no reason.

I'm very glad most Australians don't think or behave in this manner.


One-cell fukwits like Greenswhine are, thankfully, VERY. Much a tiny minority here.



Andrei, this is personal abuse and ignoring it shows you are not impartial as you pretend.


Consider yourself lucky you weren't banned for creating this ridiculous thread. No one is harping on about the cost except you - no one.



I am not the one abusing and the thread is on topic since abbott says we have a budget emergency while spending like a drunken sailor so to try and boost his ego on the world stage because he knows he is so unpopular back in Australia.


You know we HAVE to do this search as part of our international obligations. The search area is within our SAR zone of responsibility, so even if Abbott didn't want to do it he wouldn't have a choice. Now, stop this nonsense and STFU! >:(

While I agree we should help to find the plane I am interested in your reasoning, office girl.
It is in our obligations to accept boat refugees as well yet you want to turn them around at sea and let them drown. You're a hypocrite picking what suits you and disregarding what doesn't.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by skippy. on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:23am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:01am:
I accept your total surrender cods.

Come on monk, hardly a victory, a five year old could win a debate with her.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by woody2013 on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:24am

skippy. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:20am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:19am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:10am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:44pm:
This really is not about cost.
To be moaning about cost in an international effort to find a plane is appallingly parochial.


The topic was commenced in order to discuss costs - not morality, but it's turned into an indignant holier than thou sermon by a righteous few.

What is appalling is that this topic can't be discussed rationally without all the derogatory names being thrown at those with different views.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:55pm:
If the world's worst Treasurer Wayne Swan hadn't blown the budget and borrowed to the tune of more than $300billion...


It was actually $268 billion borrowed over a period of 6 years - it's now $500 billion after just 6 months.


It shows a disgusting parochial view of the world moaning about Australia's cost in playing it's part in an international effort to locate a passenger airliner.

It's classic case of little Australia from people who just hate Abbott for no reason.

I'm very glad most Australians don't think or behave in this manner.


One-cell fukwits like Greenswhine are, thankfully, VERY. Much a tiny minority here.



Andrei, this is personal abuse and ignoring it shows you are not impartial as you pretend.


Consider yourself lucky you weren't banned for creating this ridiculous thread. No one is harping on about the cost except you - no one.



I am not the one abusing and the thread is on topic since abbott says we have a budget emergency while spending like a drunken sailor so to try and boost his ego on the world stage because he knows he is so unpopular back in Australia.


You know we HAVE to do this search as part of our international obligations. The search area is within our SAR zone of responsibility, so even if Abbott didn't want to do it he wouldn't have a choice. Now, stop this nonsense and STFU! >:(

While I agree we should help to find the plane I am interested in your reasoning, office girl.
It is in our obligations to accept boat refugees as well yet you want to turn them around at sea and let them drown. You're a hypocrite picking what suits you and disregarding what doesn't.


POT KETTLE                 Hey HILLBILLY WANKER   >:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Neferti on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:41am
Greens_Win said:


Quote:
How many ships and planes are the chinese employing verses Abbott is making you and everone else pay for.




Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am

Neferti wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:41am:
Greens_Win said:


Quote:
How many ships and planes are the chinese employing verses Abbott is making you and everone else pay for.





And we should be on parr with the US considering we are in the middle of a budget emergency.
These people are long gone if MH370 is sitting on the bottom of the Indian Ocean.


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by woody2013 on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:10am

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Neferti wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:41am:
Greens_Win said:


Quote:
How many ships and planes are the chinese employing verses Abbott is making you and everone else pay for.





And we should be on parr with the US considering we are in the middle of a budget emergency.
These people are long gone if MH370 is sitting on the bottom of the Indian Ocean.


F   OFF   There's a  name  for bludgeing  SEA HUNTS like  I just for the moment can't think what it is    >:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:19am

woody2014 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:10am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Neferti wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:41am:
Greens_Win said:


Quote:
How many ships and planes are the chinese employing verses Abbott is making you and everone else pay for.





And we should be on parr with the US considering we are in the middle of a budget emergency.
These people are long gone if MH370 is sitting on the bottom of the Indian Ocean.


F   OFF   There's a  name  for bludgeing  SEA HUNTS like  I just for the moment can't think what it is    >:( >:( >:( >:(



Progressive
Educated
Logical

You choose which one.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:21am

Quote:
WHAT THE HELL HAS ALL THAT TO DO WITH A MISSING PLANE WITH 240 SOULS ON IT... THAT LEFTIES DONT WANT US TO SEARCH FOR BECAUSE IT COSTS TOO MUCH.


So Cods there are 4 Australians and 290 Asians - yet we have provided 5 planes and a ship - 2 of the planes being luxury charters. So why do we have one of the biggest fleets out looking for the missing plane? What are we trying to prove.

It's because other nations are becoming weary so Abbott is leading the charge. Most global contributions are small compared to us - even the US isn't being as generous and that's because most countries can't afford it. We're being extravagant on the world stage when most Australians are having to face up to serious austerity measures.

Everyone loves a superhero. Is Abbott spending what will end up possibly costing more than a billion dollars for truly altruistic reasons?




Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by skippy. on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:21am

woody2014 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:10am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Neferti wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:41am:
Greens_Win said:


Quote:
How many ships and planes are the chinese employing verses Abbott is making you and everone else pay for.





And we should be on parr with the US considering we are in the middle of a budget emergency.
These people are long gone if MH370 is sitting on the bottom of the Indian Ocean.


F   OFF   There's a  name  for bludgeing  SEA HUNTS like  I just for the moment can't think what it is    >:( >:( >:( >:(

Fwed has bad anger management issues.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:24am

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:21am:

Quote:
WHAT THE HELL HAS ALL THAT TO DO WITH A MISSING PLANE WITH 240 SOULS ON IT... THAT LEFTIES DONT WANT US TO SEARCH FOR BECAUSE IT COSTS TOO MUCH.


So Cods there are 4 Australians and 290 Asians - yet we have provided 5 planes and a ship - 2 of the planes being luxury charters. So why do we have the biggest fleet out looking for the missing plane? What are we proving by not asking the Asian countries do their share of the searching?

It's because other nations are becoming weary so Abbott is leading the charge with the biggest and best in the world. Global contributions are so small compared to us - even the US isn't being as generous and that's because most countries can't afford it. We're being extravagant on the world stage when most Australians are having to face up to serious austerity measures.

Everyone loves a superhero. Is Abbott spending what will end up possibly costing more than a billion dollars for truly altruistic reasons?




A $billion?

You pulled that figure out of your .........

I heard the cost was about $2.5 million so far.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by woody2013 on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:26am

skippy. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:21am:

woody2014 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:10am:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Neferti wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:41am:
Greens_Win said:


Quote:
How many ships and planes are the chinese employing verses Abbott is making you and everone else pay for.





And we should be on parr with the US considering we are in the middle of a budget emergency.
These people are long gone if MH370 is sitting on the bottom of the Indian Ocean.


F   OFF   There's a  name  for bludgeing  SEA HUNTS like  I just for the moment can't think what it is    >:( >:( >:( >:(

Fwed has bad anger management issues.



Not true you pot head HILLBILLY just get sick to death of you dumb  SEA HUNTS   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:28am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:24am:
I heard the cost was about $2.5 million so far.



Got a link for that.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:30am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:24am:

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:21am:

Quote:
WHAT THE HELL HAS ALL THAT TO DO WITH A MISSING PLANE WITH 240 SOULS ON IT... THAT LEFTIES DONT WANT US TO SEARCH FOR BECAUSE IT COSTS TOO MUCH.


So Cods there are 4 Australians and 290 Asians - yet we have provided 5 planes and a ship - 2 of the planes being luxury charters. So why do we have the biggest fleet out looking for the missing plane? What are we proving by not asking the Asian countries do their share of the searching?

It's because other nations are becoming weary so Abbott is leading the charge with the biggest and best in the world. Global contributions are so small compared to us - even the US isn't being as generous and that's because most countries can't afford it. We're being extravagant on the world stage when most Australians are having to face up to serious austerity measures.

Everyone loves a superhero. Is Abbott spending what will end up possibly costing more than a billion dollars for truly altruistic reasons?





A $billion?

You pulled that figure out of your .........

I heard the cost was about $2.5 million so far.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:31am
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Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:32am

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:28am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:24am:
I heard the cost was about $2.5 million so far.



Got a link for that.



The US search:

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world-news/us-search-for-missing-mh370-cost-3625-million-so-far_1056327.html




Quote:
The US military's search for the missing Malaysian jetliner has cost USD 2.5 million so far, the Pentagon estimated on Friday, adding it has set aside about USD 4 million for the hunt so far, enough to cover operations through early April.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Neferti on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:36am
For the record


Quote:
Manifest for Flight MH370

    153 Chinese
    38 Malaysians
    7 Indonesians
   6 Australians
    5 Indians
    4 French
    3 Americans
    2 each from New Zealand, Ukraine and Canada
    One each from Russia, Taiwan, Netherlands
    Two men - one confirmed as Iranian - travelling under stolen Italian and Austrian passports

Source: Malaysia Airlines


Mary and Rodney Burrows and Catherine and Robert Lawton, all from Brisbane.
Li Yuan and Gu Nayun from Sydney. Also Paul Weeks, a Kiwi who lives in Perth with his wife and children.


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:37am
So......one aeroplane has cost the US $2.5M.  Okay.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:38am

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:37am:
So......one aeroplane has cost the US $2.5M.  Okay.



A lot different to the $1 billion figure.

Some people like to embellish a story.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:48am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:38am:
A lot different to the $1 billion figure.

Some people like to embellish a story.



And you can't read. One US aircraft has cost approx. $2.5 million so far - do you think that's all it's costing us for 5 aircraft, including two luxury business jets and one ship. Let's wait and see what the end Australian figure will be. $1 billion may or may not be overstating this - but $2.5 million is a gross understatement.

When the rescue is over - then you can say "I told you so". This is what I said.


Quote:
Is Abbott spending what will end up possibly costing more than a billion dollars for truly altruistic reasons

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:51am

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:38am:
A lot different to the $1 billion figure.

Some people like to embellish a story.



And you can't read. One US aircraft has cost approx. $2.5 million so far - do you think that's all it's costing us for 5 aircraft, including two luxury business jets and one ship. Let's wait and see what the end Australian figure will be. $1 billion may or may not be overstating this - but $2.5 million is a gross understatement.

When the rescue is over - then you can say "I told you so". This is what I said.


Quote:
Is Abbott spending what will end up possibly costing more than a billion dollars for truly altruistic reasons



Come on Mantra - don't hold a losing set of cards.   ;D


If you apologise for making up stories I will forgive you.

namaste

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Neferti on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:52am

Quote:
Costs to find MH370

As the days drag by without flight MH370 being found, the costs continue to mount.

The Malaysian acting transport minister, Hishammuddin Hussein, has stated that finding the missing jet is the most important priority, with costs not yet being considered – but eventually someone must foot the bill. The International Civil Aviation Organisation said the location of the accident will determine which country has jurisdiction. Over international waters, the state where the aircraft was registered, in this case Malaysia, must foot the bill.

The US has said it has already spent more than $2.5m (£1.5m) of the $4m it has set aside for the search, with other countries providing aircraft and ships.

The cost of finding the wreckage of Air France flight AF447 in the Atlantic in 2009 was €32m (£27m).


Souce: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-china-checks-possible-plane-debris-in-southern-corridor-9209619.html

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:59am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:51am:
If you apologise for making up stories I will forgive you.



Bobby - wait till the rescue is over before you go around spouting that it's only going to cost $2.5 million. We have no idea how much these luxurious charter jets cost, nor the staff, nor the meals, nor the overtime, nor the petrol and the many other hundreds of little expenses which will be incurred.

I said "possibly" and that's not being definitive. I might end up being close - so hold your horses before doing a Grendel.


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by woody2013 on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:04am

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:59am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:51am:
If you apologise for making up stories I will forgive you.



Bobby - wait till the rescue is over before you go around spouting that it's only going to cost $2.5 million. We have no idea how much these luxurious charter jets cost, nor the staff, nor the meals, nor the overtime, nor the petrol and the many other hundreds of little expenses which will be incurred.

I said "possibly" and that's not being definitive. I might end up being right - so hold your horses before doing a Grendel. Ozpolitic doesn't need two of him.


F   F    S They are looking for the  plane to see what caused the  FNCRASH   What if its part of the design you moron   >:( >:(

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:07am

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:59am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:51am:
If you apologise for making up stories I will forgive you.



Bobby - wait till the rescue is over before you go around spouting that it's only going to cost $2.5 million. We have no idea how much these luxurious charter jets cost, nor the staff, nor the meals, nor the overtime, nor the petrol and the many other hundreds of little expenses which will be incurred.

I said "possibly" and that's not being definitive. I might end up being close - so hold your horses before doing a Grendel.



You said


Quote:
end up possibly costing more than a billion dollars

You made this figure up.

Admit it - apologise - & we can continue.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:12am

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:38am:
A lot different to the $1 billion figure.

Some people like to embellish a story.



And you can't read. One US aircraft has cost approx. $2.5 million so far - do you think that's all it's costing us for 5 aircraft, including two luxury business jets and one ship. Let's wait and see what the end Australian figure will be. $1 billion may or may not be overstating this - but $2.5 million is a gross understatement.

When the rescue is over - then you can say "I told you so". This is what I said.


Quote:
Is Abbott spending what will end up possibly costing more than a billion dollars for truly altruistic reasons




guess what mantra I dont care what it costs.. anymore than I cared what it cost to rescue Stuart Diver..or Tony Bullimore..or a cat out of a drain...


it to me is being human..getting in and pulling our weight..putting aside who votes which way..and what colour they are...

got nothing to do with who cares about cost when lives are at stake..

if they drag the accountant out before doing bugger all everytime..

where will we end up.

picking and choosing who we help instead of it being a humanitarian thing..

which something like this should be.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:15am

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:12am:
where will we end up.

picking and choosing who we help instead of it being a humanitarian thing..

which something like this should be.


I agree with you completely Cods - but we are picking and choosing who we help.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:19am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:07am:
You made this figure up.

Admit it - apologise - & we can continue.


No Grendel Mark II. It was obviously a guess or I wouldn't have made a prediction.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:19am

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:21am:

Quote:
WHAT THE HELL HAS ALL THAT TO DO WITH A MISSING PLANE WITH 240 SOULS ON IT... THAT LEFTIES DONT WANT US TO SEARCH FOR BECAUSE IT COSTS TOO MUCH.


So Cods t[highlight]here are 4 Australians and 290 Asians - yet we have provided 5 planes and a ship - 2 of the planes being luxury charters. So why do we have one of the biggest fleets out looking for the missing plane?[/highlight] What are we trying to prove.

It's because other nations are becoming weary so Abbott is leading the charge. Most global contributions are small compared to us - even the US isn't being as generous and that's because most countries can't afford it. We're being extravagant on the world stage when most Australians are having to face up to serious austerity measures.

Everyone loves a superhero. Is Abbott spending what will end up possibly costing more than a billion dollars for truly altruistic reasons?





its 6 Australians...and they are so unworthy of spending any money on the search.,... >:(

NO not 290 asians.... you are the one thats counting and picking culture...


unreal.


WOW and you call righties racists....

you have no idea what you have just said have you?????........

god help you mantra if KARMA makes a visit to your front door..

and god help Australia as a whole,

we havent had a massive event of this size in this country..where outside help has b een needed from day one..


fingers crossed we never do..

as we wouldnt people saying they cant afford to send help will we.. >:(

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:22am

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:15am:

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:12am:
where will we end up.

picking and choosing who we help instead of it being a humanitarian thing..

which something like this should be.


I agree with you completely Cods - but we are picking and choosing who we help.



I am sorry..... please explain who we have refused to help..????????


you are complaining most on the plane are asian.. therefore none of our business..and we shouldnt be involved because of the cost..

so you cannot agree with me at all..

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:27am

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:22am:
you are complaining most on the plane are asian.. therefore none of our business..and we shouldnt be involved because of the cost..

so you cannot agree with me at all..


I suggested that we did it proportionately, although I mightn't have used those words. Why do we have to take on the lion's share? Usually in international disasters we make set contributions, not an open ended cheque.


cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:22am:
I am sorry..... please explain who we have refused to help..????????


We only have to look at Manus Island for a start. All these people locked up indefinitely with no hope of resettlement in any western nation. Is that helping them? Their children aren't being schooled and the environment is truly nasty.

I bet if they were a bunch of pommies or yanks they wouldn't be there.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 12:12pm

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:27am:

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:22am:
you are complaining most on the plane are asian.. therefore none of our business..and we shouldnt be involved because of the cost..

so you cannot agree with me at all..


I suggested that we did it proportionately, although I mightn't have used those words. Why do we have to take on the lion's share? Usually in international disasters we make set contributions, not an open ended cheque.


we are not doing the LIONS SHARE they just happened to come across something that might be the plane.. down in aussie waters...get a grip girl.






cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:22am:
I am sorry..... please explain who we have refused to help..????????


We only have to look at Manus Island for a start. All these people locked up indefinitely with no hope of resettlement in any western nation. Is that helping them? Their children aren't being schooled and the environment is truly nasty.


WHO THE HELL INVITED THEM HERE... AND WHO SENT THEM TO MANUS... ANSWER ME THAT

I bet if they were a bunch of pommies or yanks they wouldn't be there.



there you go.. feeling sorry.. ::) ::) for MANUS island.. yet as cold as charity regarding this plane...

do you have any IDEA AT ALL HOW MUCH MANUS ISLAND AND THE 6 YEARS PRIOR HAVE COST THIS COUNTRY??????

Howard all but close Manus YOUR LOT OPENED IT>>and its costing a damn sight more than this plane search will ever cost...

tell us the facts mantra HOW MUCH HAS OPEN BORDERS COST US SINCE 2008?...


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 12:21pm

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 12:12pm:
there you go.. feeling sorry.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes for MANUS island.. yet as cold as charity regarding this plane...

do you have any IDEA AT ALL HOW MUCH MANUS ISLAND AND THE 6 YEARS PRIOR HAVE COST THIS COUNTRY??????

Howard all but close Manus YOUR LOT OPENED IT>>and its costing a damn sight more than this plane search will ever cost...

tell us the facts mantra
HOW MUCH HAS OPEN BORDERS COST US SINCE 2008?..
.



You don't have to shout Cods. I'm right here. I've made my point and I'm sorry you don't get it.

Why is one group of people more deserving than another and to basically quote you - "what has cost got to do with being humane and helping those who are desperate and in need of help"?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 12:34pm

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:35am:
And armchair falls back into his defeat position and turns to personal abuse.

At least you're predictable.


Actually, I've just arrived home after a five hour drive after visiting family. So my lack of response to your putrid garbage is nothing other than my not being online.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 12:36pm
Seems to be a lot of racists against the Chinese here. I thought "progressivism" was non-discriminatory in its benevolence?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by red baron on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:12pm
If it was your father or mother who was on that plane, would you be whingeing your bleating head off that Tony Abbott was wasting money then?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by red baron on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:12pm
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Post by red baron on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:13pm
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Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:39pm

red baron wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:12pm:
If it was your father or mother who was on that plane, would you be whingeing your bleating head off that Tony Abbott was wasting money then?




No one is whinging about being a part of the search. The discussion is what part in the search. The most logical position would be within the size we are ~ small and our financial position ~ poor since the conservatives have claimed we are in a budget emergency.

Now they blowing a billion on this. Next month they will be slashing services and sacking people.

What is it, can we afford a PM to spend like a drunken sailor with no economic return for the economy or is our PM suppose to be tight fisted so to get us out of this half a trillion debt you guys have complained about endlessly.


The conservatives are all over the place and so have left themselves open to ridicule. (more so than usual)

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:58pm

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:39pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:12pm:
If it was your father or mother who was on that plane, would you be whingeing your bleating head off that Tony Abbott was wasting money then?




No one is whinging about being a part of the search. The discussion is what part in the search. The most logical position would be within the size we are ~ small and our financial position ~ poor since the conservatives have claimed we are in a budget emergency.

Now they blowing a billion on this. Next month they will be slashing services and sacking people.

What is it, can we afford a PM to spend like a drunken sailor with no economic return for the economy or is our PM suppose to be tight fisted so to get us out of this half a trillion debt you guys have complained about endlessly.


The conservatives are all over the place and so have left themselves open to ridicule. (more so than usual)


What do you have against Chinese people? Are you some kind racist?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 2:19pm

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:58pm:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:39pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:12pm:
If it was your father or mother who was on that plane, would you be whingeing your bleating head off that Tony Abbott was wasting money then?




No one is whinging about being a part of the search. The discussion is what part in the search. The most logical position would be within the size we are ~ small and our financial position ~ poor since the conservatives have claimed we are in a budget emergency.

Now they blowing a billion on this. Next month they will be slashing services and sacking people.

What is it, can we afford a PM to spend like a drunken sailor with no economic return for the economy or is our PM suppose to be tight fisted so to get us out of this half a trillion debt you guys have complained about endlessly.


The conservatives are all over the place and so have left themselves open to ridicule. (more so than usual)


What do you have against Chinese people? Are you some kind racist?



Is Tony Abbott chinese?
The only people I am criticising are the economic illiterate conservatives within the Australian government and posters here.


Take your red herring back to the ocean matie.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 2:50pm

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 12:21pm:

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 12:12pm:
there you go.. feeling sorry.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes for MANUS island.. yet as cold as charity regarding this plane...

do you have any IDEA AT ALL HOW MUCH MANUS ISLAND AND THE 6 YEARS PRIOR HAVE COST THIS COUNTRY??????

Howard all but close Manus YOUR LOT OPENED IT>>and its costing a damn sight more than this plane search will ever cost...

tell us the facts mantra
HOW MUCH HAS OPEN BORDERS COST US SINCE 2008?..
.



You don't have to shout Cods. I'm right here. I've made my point and I'm sorry you don't get it.

Why is one group of people more deserving than another and to basically quote you - "what has cost got to do with being humane and helping those who are desperate and in need of help"?



WHAT THE???..

its you thats complaining and bitching about cost...you even spelt it out claimed THERE ARE ONLY $ Australians and the 290 rest are chinese..

better go check your figures before you comment on that again..

it sounds like you are now trying to turn this round and its me that whingeing all about the cost and hard up this country is.. and why are we doing the LIONS SHARE...

I give up its like talking to a block of wood.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Quantum on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 2:58pm

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:39pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:12pm:
If it was your father or mother who was on that plane, would you be whingeing your bleating head off that Tony Abbott was wasting money then?




No one is whinging about being a part of the search. The discussion is what part in the search. The most logical position would be within the size we are ~ small and our financial position ~ poor since the conservatives have claimed we are in a budget emergency.

Now they blowing a billion on this. Next month they will be slashing services and sacking people.

What is it, can we afford a PM to spend like a drunken sailor with no economic return for the economy or is our PM suppose to be tight fisted so to get us out of this half a trillion debt you guys have complained about endlessly.


The conservatives are all over the place and so have left themselves open to ridicule. (more so than usual)


Stop making shlt up. The cost of this is small. The planes are owned and paid for. The wages get paid irrespective of if they are searching for this plane or sitting back at base. You are just a dick looking to cause controversy.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 3:11pm

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:39pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:12pm:
If it was your father or mother who was on that plane, would you be whingeing your bleating head off that Tony Abbott was wasting money then?




No one is whinging about being a part of the search. The discussion is what part in the search. The most logical position would be within the size we are ~ small and our financial position ~ poor since the conservatives have claimed we are in a budget emergency.

Now they blowing a billion on this. Next month they will be slashing services and sacking people.

What is it, can we afford a PM to spend like a drunken sailor with no economic return for the economy or is our PM suppose to be tight fisted so to get us out of this half a trillion debt you guys have complained about endlessly.


The conservatives are all over the place and so have left themselves open to ridicule. (more so than usual)


I may not know much about rescue costs, but I can tell you that it's not going to cost "billions". Labor cost more than a billion dollars after 12 months of having half a dozen patrol boats watching the waters between us and Indonesia. That took at least a year to run up that amount. We've been searching a few days and the scale of the search in all probability will only last a number of weeks at most. It may cost a few extra million in terms of fuel and maintenance, but certainly not billions!

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Soren on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 3:11pm

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 12:21pm:

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 12:12pm:
there you go.. feeling sorry.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes for MANUS island.. yet as cold as charity regarding this plane...

do you have any IDEA AT ALL HOW MUCH MANUS ISLAND AND THE 6 YEARS PRIOR HAVE COST THIS COUNTRY??????

Howard all but close Manus YOUR LOT OPENED IT>>and its costing a damn sight more than this plane search will ever cost...

tell us the facts mantra
HOW MUCH HAS OPEN BORDERS COST US SINCE 2008?..
.



You don't have to shout Cods. I'm right here. I've made my point and I'm sorry you don't get it.

Why is one group of people more deserving than another and to basically quote you - "what has cost got to do with being humane and helping those who are desperate and in need of help"?

The people on the missing plane are not cheats.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 3:17pm

Soren wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 3:11pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 12:21pm:

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 12:12pm:
there you go.. feeling sorry.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes for MANUS island.. yet as cold as charity regarding this plane...

do you have any IDEA AT ALL HOW MUCH MANUS ISLAND AND THE 6 YEARS PRIOR HAVE COST THIS COUNTRY??????

Howard all but close Manus YOUR LOT OPENED IT>>and its costing a damn sight more than this plane search will ever cost...

tell us the facts mantra
HOW MUCH HAS OPEN BORDERS COST US SINCE 2008?..
.



You don't have to shout Cods. I'm right here. I've made my point and I'm sorry you don't get it.

Why is one group of people more deserving than another and to basically quote you - "what has cost got to do with being humane and helping those who are desperate and in need of help"?

The people on the missing plane are not cheats.


Cheats?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 3:19pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 3:11pm:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:39pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:12pm:
If it was your father or mother who was on that plane, would you be whingeing your bleating head off that Tony Abbott was wasting money then?




No one is whinging about being a part of the search. The discussion is what part in the search. The most logical position would be within the size we are ~ small and our financial position ~ poor since the conservatives have claimed we are in a budget emergency.

Now they blowing a billion on this. Next month they will be slashing services and sacking people.

What is it, can we afford a PM to spend like a drunken sailor with no economic return for the economy or is our PM suppose to be tight fisted so to get us out of this half a trillion debt you guys have complained about endlessly.


The conservatives are all over the place and so have left themselves open to ridicule. (more so than usual)


I may not know much about rescue costs, but I can tell you that it's not going to cost "billions". Labor cost more than a billion dollars after 12 months of having half a dozen patrol boats watching the waters between us and Indonesia. That took at least a year to run up that amount. We've been searching a few days and the scale of the search in all probability will only last a number of weeks at most. It may cost a few extra million in terms of fuel and maintenance, but certainly not billions!


So, it's only fuel and maintenance to be taken into account in the search for the plane.....because????

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 3:25pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 3:11pm:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:39pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:12pm:
If it was your father or mother who was on that plane, would you be whingeing your bleating head off that Tony Abbott was wasting money then?




No one is whinging about being a part of the search. The discussion is what part in the search. The most logical position would be within the size we are ~ small and our financial position ~ poor since the conservatives have claimed we are in a budget emergency.

Now they blowing a billion on this. Next month they will be slashing services and sacking people.

What is it, can we afford a PM to spend like a drunken sailor with no economic return for the economy or is our PM suppose to be tight fisted so to get us out of this half a trillion debt you guys have complained about endlessly.


The conservatives are all over the place and so have left themselves open to ridicule. (more so than usual)


I may not know much about rescue costs, but I can tell you that it's not going to cost "billions". Labor cost more than a billion dollars after 12 months of having half a dozen patrol boats watching the waters between us and Indonesia. That took at least a year to run up that amount. We've been searching a few days and the scale of the search in all probability will only last a number of weeks at most. It may cost a few extra million in terms of fuel and maintenance, but certainly not billions!


So, it's only fuel and maintenance to be taken into account in the search for the plane.....because????


The pilots and aircrew get a steady wage. Duh!?!?!?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 3:26pm

Quote:
The pilots and aircrew get a steady wage. Duh!?!?!?


And the cost of using all those planes and ships?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:12pm

cods wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 2:50pm:
WHAT THE???..

its you thats complaining and bitching about cost...you even spelt it out claimed THERE ARE ONLY $ Australians and the 290 rest are chinese..

better go check your figures before you comment on that again..

it sounds like you are now trying to turn this round and its me that whingeing all about the cost and hard up this country is.. and why are we doing the LIONS SHARE...

I give up its like talking to a block of wood.



That's hilarious Cods. At the time I noticed your comment I was thinking the same thing - it's like talking to a block of wood. Great minds think alike.

I'll try to say it again more simply. Yes I was concerned about the cost of the asylum seekers. I'm still concerned because it's probably costing just as much to keep them out as let them in. The problem is Abbott just won't tell us.

You are not concerned about this government providing an open cheque to win a race to the finish - because that's just what it's become. Already there are grumblings about all these false "sightings" in an area nominated through guesswork which is extremely difficult to access because of the treacherous conditions.

That's OK isn't it Cods - because you say so. I know we have to do our bit for an international crisis, but we've gone beyond that and no doubt the media will be whinging about the same thing shortly. What are we supposed to be looking for now? A piece of crate or a blurred object spanning 20 or 30 feet?

If we are to spare no cost for the sake of being humane - let's be consistent.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:14pm

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:12pm:
I'll try to say it again more simply. Yes I was concerned about the cost of the asylum seekers. I'm still concerned because it's probably costing just as much to keep them out as let them in. The problem is Abbott just won't tell us.

You are not concerned about this government providing an open cheque to win a race - because that's just what it's become. Already there are grumblings about all these false "sightings" in an area nominated through guesswork which is extremely difficult to access because of the treacherous conditions.

That's OK isn't it Cods - because you say so. I know we have to do our bit for an international crisis, but we've gone beyond that and no doubt the media will be whinging about the same thing shortly. What are we supposed to be looking for now? A piece of crate or a blurred object spanning 20 or 30 feet?

If we are to spare no cost for the sake of being humane - let's at least be consistent





duhhhhhhhh whatever you say mantra...  :D :D :D

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:17pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 3:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 3:11pm:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:39pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 1:12pm:
If it was your father or mother who was on that plane, would you be whingeing your bleating head off that Tony Abbott was wasting money then?




No one is whinging about being a part of the search. The discussion is what part in the search. The most logical position would be within the size we are ~ small and our financial position ~ poor since the conservatives have claimed we are in a budget emergency.

Now they blowing a billion on this. Next month they will be slashing services and sacking people.

What is it, can we afford a PM to spend like a drunken sailor with no economic return for the economy or is our PM suppose to be tight fisted so to get us out of this half a trillion debt you guys have complained about endlessly.


The conservatives are all over the place and so have left themselves open to ridicule. (more so than usual)


I may not know much about rescue costs, but I can tell you that it's not going to cost "billions". Labor cost more than a billion dollars after 12 months of having half a dozen patrol boats watching the waters between us and Indonesia. That took at least a year to run up that amount. We've been searching a few days and the scale of the search in all probability will only last a number of weeks at most. It may cost a few extra million in terms of fuel and maintenance, but certainly not billions!


So, it's only fuel and maintenance to be taken into account in the search for the plane.....because????


The pilots and aircrew get a steady wage. Duh!?!?!?




you mean we didnt hire them just for this???????

and lets be honest here.. the RAAF guys shouldnt be flying planes should they?.. not for any length of time anyway... goodness me whatever next?

soldiers firing guns...

never cost too much. what a waste.

imagine if that plane was full of Australians and no bugger helped with the search.. >:( >:(


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:23pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 3:26pm:

Quote:
The pilots and aircrew get a steady wage. Duh!?!?!?


And the cost of using all those planes and ships?


Armchair..............??????

Your answer, please.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Grendel on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:37pm
I'm so glad you're not one of those lost Aussies Aussie...  then I would indeed consider it a waste of money  ::)

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Grendel on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:40pm

Quote:
If we are to spare no cost for the sake of being humane - let's at least be consistent


So you think they are still alive somewhere do you mantra?
Oh goody...  where?
We are endevouring to find the aircraft, then if they are alive we will rescue them, but that is a highly improbable likelyhood...  we are searching for the plane and answers mantra... there is global interest in this mystery.  We so far have no answers.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:45pm
Re the cost of being human to ASs—the simian is splashing out $1m on lifeboats (so far) and $3Bn on drones! $3Bn! Howard only spent $1Bn on his make–believe “Pacific Solution!”

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:55pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:37pm:
I'm so glad you're not one of those lost Aussies Aussie...  then I would indeed consider it a waste of money  ::)


Weren't you warned about personal abuse?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:59pm
If the plane crashed into the ocean then there are no survivors: 8 days IIRC with no food, no water, in a cold ocean. Do try and use the grey matter between your ears.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:00pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:40pm:

Quote:
If we are to spare no cost for the sake of being humane - let's at least be consistent


So you think they are still alive somewhere do you mantra?
Oh goody...  where?
We are endevouring to find the aircraft, then if they are alive we will rescue them, but that is a highly improbable likelyhood...  we are searching for the plane and answers mantra... there is global interest in this mystery.  We so far have no answers.


1.  What is this 'we' garbage, in the immediate, personal sense you have used the word?  Are you out there in your floaties?  If so, well done.  If not, please make it clear that you are not a functioning part of this mission.

2.  'We' not only have no answers, there are no credible leads, especially anything to make it plain that the plane went down in water.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:05pm
Did it rain on the plain in plane?

Sorry.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:17pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:40pm:

Quote:
If we are to spare no cost for the sake of being humane - let's at least be consistent


So you think they are still alive somewhere do you mantra?
Oh goody...  where?
We are endevouring to find the aircraft, then if they are alive we will rescue them, but that is a highly improbable likelyhood...  we are searching for the plane and answers mantra... there is global interest in this mystery.  We so far have no answers.



I dont know about them being alive... but not knowing is worse than anything...ask anyone with a missing relative and how they endure it?..

in this case its more than one relative just gone..

I would like answers and I honestly believe most people would..

this plane didnt just fly into oblivion.

or did it.. the Bermuda Triangle is an example of eerie unexplained happenings and we had a small plane disappear in the Bass Straight way back.

a part of a plane was washed up  years later...not sure if it was ever identified as the lost plane though.


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:42pm

Quote:
I dont know about them being alive... but not knowing is worse than anything...ask anyone with a missing relative and how they endure it?..


I'm a 'glass half full,' bloke.  No news is good news.


Quote:
in this case its more than one relative just gone..


Yer joshing with me!


Quote:
I would like answers and I honestly believe most people would..


You want answers!  Just you, cods.  Yep, you are alone. Really and truly ~ cross my heart and hope to die ~ no-one else on the entire Planet gives a stuff. 

::)


Quote:
this plane didnt just fly into oblivion.


No poo Sherlock!


Quote:
or did it.. the Bermuda Triangle is an example of eerie unexplained happenings and we had a small plane disappear in the Bass Straight way back.

a part of a plane was washed up  years later...not sure if it was ever identified as the lost plane though.


Aliens, cods.  Never forget those probing aliens!

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:44pm
Please do and try to keep your personal animosities from that other forum away from here.
Several of you still harbour personal vendettas and here isn't the place for them.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 5:46pm
Pity then you didn’t stop roach stalking trolling me in the NBN thread. He is the one carrying on vendettas nobody else.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:35pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:
If the plane crashed into the ocean then there are no survivors: 8 days IIRC with no food, no water, in a cold ocean. Do try and use the grey matter between your ears.


They aren't searching for survivors, only the aircraft/black boxes. How do we know there isn't some kind of defect that has brought the plane down that may exist on other aircraft under certain conditions? This aircraft was involved in a ground collision that damaged its wing tip some time ago. How do we know if the repairs failed? Perhaps new repair methods will need to be adopted if this is the case. We won't know until the aircraft and/or black boxes are located and retrieved. The only way to prevent another mishap is to find the black boxes (and also the aircraft, if possible) so that it can be investigated. This is why authorities spend two years searching for the Air France Airbus that crashed into the ocean. They'd possibly have never known about the faulty pitot tubes otherwise and there could've been other accidents. But since they found the wreck, they've been able to have other aircrafts' pitot tubes upgraded and further similar incidents averted.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:36pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:
If the plane crashed into the ocean then there are no survivors: 8 days IIRC with no food, no water, in a cold ocean. Do try and use the grey matter between your ears.



8 days?

It's been 15 days.



Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:43pm
Then why the hell are we still looking?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:44pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:35pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:
If the plane crashed into the ocean then there are no survivors: 8 days IIRC with no food, no water, in a cold ocean. Do try and use the grey matter between your ears.


They aren't searching for survivors, only the aircraft/black boxes. How do we know there isn't some kind of defect that has brought the plane down that may exist on other aircraft under certain conditions? This aircraft was involved in a ground collision that damaged its wing tip some time ago. How do we know if the repairs failed? Perhaps new repair methods will need to be adopted if this is the case. We won't know until the aircraft and/or black boxes are located and retrieved. The only way to prevent another mishap is to find the black boxes (and also the aircraft, if possible) so that it can be investigated. This is why authorities spend two years searching for the Air France Airbus that crashed into the ocean. They'd possibly have never known about the faulty pitot tubes otherwise and there could've been other accidents. But since they found the wreck, they've been able to have other aircrafts' pitot tubes upgraded and further similar incidents averted.

Yes I know about black boxes, they would be near the cockpit and at the bottom of the ocean.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:45pm
For the same reason we took 2 years to find the black boxes for AF 447.

We aren't looking for survivors.

Commercial airliners do not just drop out of the sky without a reason.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:47pm
The sooner you find wreckage, the sooner you begin to work back and find a crash site.

With a crash site you find a black box set, with a black box you start to work out what happened....

Or George you suggest it should be

"Ah well that plane just disappeared. Wonder what happened there. I hope all the other 777's are ok, never mind. There it is I suppose. Let's move on."


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:49pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:44pm:
Yes I know about black boxes, they would be near the cockpit and at the bottom of the ocean


They are actually in the tail of the plane.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:52pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:43pm:
Then why the hell are we still looking?



It distracts us from the real issues.

Plus, it gives the commercial TV stations something exciting to put to air, thus making lots of money from their advertisers.

Too cynical?    :-/

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:52pm

Quote:
They aren't searching for survivors, only the aircraft/black boxes.



Quote:
Commercial airliners do not just drop out of the sky without a reason.


Do either of you have anything tangible to support those comments ~ relevant to this matter?

There is nothing to suggest the search is not for survivors, and there is absolutely nothing to indicate anything fell out of the sky.

We know SFA.            

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:53pm
Not what I have been saying, hicksie.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:53pm
double post

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:55pm


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:56pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Quote:
Commercial airliners do not just drop out of the sky without a reason.


Do either of you have anything tangible to support those comments ~ relevant to this matter?

There is nothing to suggest the search is not for survivors, and there is absolutely nothing to indicate anything fell out of the sky.

We know SFA.            


Absolutely my point.
We do not know.

In aviation - in which I have grown up around all my life - we don't leave things hanging.

You don't just have things like missing 777's unresolved.

Did it fall out of the sky?
Did it crash in the ocean?
Was it deliberate (EgyptAir)? Did they lost control ability (ala JAL)?
Was it misreading of gauges (Air France)?

Who knows - but we need to know.

My dad estimates it may take 15-20 years to find the black boxes.

We took 2 years to find the Air France ones at a similar depth - but where we saw wreckage after 2 days and knew where the site was.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:52pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:43pm:
Then why the hell are we still looking?



It distracts us from the real issues.


Hate to tell you but its the lead off story on BBC and ITV and we've not been terribly interested in Australian domestic politics before that....
I am not sure it is distracting us from that.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Grendel on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 7:15pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:37pm:
I'm so glad you're not one of those lost Aussies Aussie...  then I would indeed consider it a waste of money  ::)


Weren't you warned about personal abuse?

Are you threatening me from behind someone else's skirts?  ;D ;D ;D
of course you are.

Much worse gets said here and they don't get threatened do they.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Soren on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 7:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:36pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:
If the plane crashed into the ocean then there are no survivors: 8 days IIRC with no food, no water, in a cold ocean. Do try and use the grey matter between your ears.



8 days?

It's been 15 days.



Imagine, you two thick bastards, that you had your family on that plane. Would you like to know what happened to them?

You are mouthing off like the tiresome far Ken bores you are. Get a grip on something other than your limp members.


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 7:27pm

Soren wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:36pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:
If the plane crashed into the ocean then there are no survivors: 8 days IIRC with no food, no water, in a cold ocean. Do try and use the grey matter between your ears.



8 days?

It's been 15 days.



Imagine, you two thick bastards, that you had your family on that plane. Would you like to know what happened to them?

You are mouthing off like the tiresome far Ken bores you are. Get a grip on something other than your limp members.



You need to settle down, sweetheart.

All I said was: "It's been 15 days."

I merely stated a fact.

I realise that you don't particularly like facts, however, that's no excuse for name-calling.

Your personal insults are not welcome here.


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Oracle on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:03pm
As a newcomer here, I have never read such blatant disregard for human life as I have in this thread. These poor people have families who need to grieve, and the only way they can do this and get on with their lives is by getting closure, so for the sake of common decency and until this search is over, you surely cannot continue to count the cost to this country. All countries need to know why this plane obviously came down either in the ocean or elsewhere. There are many more (24/25) countries, it's not only Australia, and some are sailing a hell of a lot further than we are.

Counting the cost is a sad reflection on you as human beings.


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:07pm
Excellent post.
Worth noting China has diverted warships to the region

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:10pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:37pm:
I'm so glad you're not one of those lost Aussies Aussie...  then I would indeed consider it a waste of money  ::)


Weren't you warned about personal abuse?

Are you threatening me from behind someone else's skirts?  ;D ;D ;D
of course you are.

Much worse gets said here and they don't get threatened do they.


Dunno about that.  But I did see Muso openly give you a warning about continued personal abuse.  Did you not see it?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:13pm

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:03pm:
As a newcomer here, I have never read such blatant disregard for human life as I have in this thread. These poor people have families who need to grieve, and the only way they can do this and get on with their lives is by getting closure, so for the sake of common decency and until this search is over, you surely cannot continue to count the cost to this country. All countries need to know why this plane obviously came down either in the ocean or elsewhere. There are many more (24/25) countries, it's not only Australia, and some are sailing a hell of a lot further than we are.

Counting the cost is a sad reflection on you as human beings.


On the basis of what credible evidence that anything relevant will be found?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Soren on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 7:27pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:36pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:
If the plane crashed into the ocean then there are no survivors: 8 days IIRC with no food, no water, in a cold ocean. Do try and use the grey matter between your ears.



8 days?

It's been 15 days.



Imagine, you two thick bastards, that you had your family on that plane. Would you like to know what happened to them?

You are mouthing off like the tiresome far Ken bores you are. Get a grip on something other than your limp members.



You need to settle down, sweetheart.

All I said was: "It's been 15 days."

In a mutual fapping kinda way. As you do.



Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:17pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:03pm:
As a newcomer here, I have never read such blatant disregard for human life as I have in this thread. These poor people have families who need to grieve, and the only way they can do this and get on with their lives is by getting closure, so for the sake of common decency and until this search is over, you surely cannot continue to count the cost to this country. All countries need to know why this plane obviously came down either in the ocean or elsewhere. There are many more (24/25) countries, it's not only Australia, and some are sailing a hell of a lot further than we are.

Counting the cost is a sad reflection on you as human beings.


On the basis of what credible evidence that anything relevant will be found?


That a satellite pinged the plane identifying potential corridors where it could be.
Then based on fuel and possible trajectory, two satellite pictures show potential wreckage debris in the area where it may have run out of fuel.

On this basis Australia is rightly searching by air and Chinese warships are steaming for that area.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:18pm

Quote:
We took 2 years to find the Air France ones at a similar depth - but where we saw wreckage after 2 days and knew where the site was.


Well Abbott's just borrowed $200 billion - that might see the rescue out for a few years. Finding this little black box is obviously a priority over anything else. When the world is finally convinced that they've found where the plane went down - then we can start on the deep sea exploration.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:21pm

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:18pm:
[quote]When the world is finally convinced that they've found where the plane went down - then we can start on the deep sea exploration.


Rest assured we will too.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Oracle on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:27pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:03pm:
As a newcomer here, I have never read such blatant disregard for human life as I have in this thread. These poor people have families who need to grieve, and the only way they can do this and get on with their lives is by getting closure, so for the sake of common decency and until this search is over, you surely cannot continue to count the cost to this country. All countries need to know why this plane obviously came down either in the ocean or elsewhere. There are many more (24/25) countries, it's not only Australia, and some are sailing a hell of a lot further than we are.

Counting the cost is a sad reflection on you as human beings.


On the basis of what credible evidence that anything relevant will be found?


Well of course.

I am assuming that your post/response is a serious question.

Obviously they are searching for anything which may be
relevant to the missing aircraft, it's crew and passengers.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:32pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:21pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:18pm:
[quote]When the world is finally convinced that they've found where the plane went down - then we can start on the deep sea exploration.


Rest assured we will too.



The transponder's battery lasts for a month, 60 days at the most. Once that stops then it's a needle in a haystack search on the ocean floor.

Two weeks into those 60 days already.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:33pm
Oracle....this was my question:


Quote:
On the basis of what credible evidence that anything relevant will be found?


How about you answer that before you attempt being cute?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:38pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:21pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:18pm:
[quote]When the world is finally convinced that they've found where the plane went down - then we can start on the deep sea exploration.


Rest assured we will too.


There's the 'Grendel' we again!  Who is we, Andrei?  Malaysia being the Country of Origin.....the plane's manufacturer......who is this we?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Oracle on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:01pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:33pm:
Oracle....this was my question:


Quote:
On the basis of what credible evidence that anything relevant will be found?


How about you answer that before you attempt being cute?


I am rather confused now. Why would you say that I am attempting to be "cute"?  I am far too long in the tooth to be"cute" as you say, but  I must say that you seem determined to come across belligerent to a reply and answer to a question that you asked. Was there some difficulty in my answer; a lack of clarity, or did you misunderstand my answer?

Just to add to my original answer, I really don't imagine that all these countries including Australia would be utilising these resources for no reason, do you, whilst doggedly trying not to project my cuteness?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:11pm

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:32pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:21pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:18pm:
[quote]When the world is finally convinced that they've found where the plane went down - then we can start on the deep sea exploration.


Rest assured we will too.



The transponder's battery lasts for a month, 60 days at the most. Once that stops then it's a needle in a haystack search on the ocean floor.

Two weeks into those 60 days already.


Took 2 years to find the AF ones.
We'll have to have the same patience and more this time.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:12pm

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:01pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:33pm:
Oracle....this was my question:


Quote:
On the basis of what credible evidence that anything relevant will be found?


How about you answer that before you attempt being cute?


I am rather confused now. Why would you say that I am attempting to be "cute"?  I am far too long in the tooth to be"cute" as you say, but  I must say that you seem determined to come across belligerent to a reply and answer to a question that you asked. Was there some difficulty in my answer; a lack of clarity, or did you misunderstand my answer?

Just to add to my original answer, I really don't imagine that all these countries including Australia would be utilising these resources for no reason, do you, whilst doggedly trying not to project my cuteness?


You still have not answered my question.

And.....without this:


Quote:
I am assuming that your post/response is a serious question.


.....you would not have attracted due and intended aggression.  I don't make flippant posts or ask flippant questions...........even to someone who strolls in here and as part of their first post, questions the bona fides of the locals, as you did with:


Quote:
As a newcomer here, I have never read such blatant disregard for human life as I have in this thread.


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Oracle on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:22pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:12pm:

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:01pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:33pm:
Oracle....this was my question:


Quote:
On the basis of what credible evidence that anything relevant will be found?


How about you answer that before you attempt being cute?


I am rather confused now. Why would you say that I am attempting to be "cute"?  I am far too long in the tooth to be"cute" as you say, but  I must say that you seem determined to come across belligerent to a reply and answer to a question that you asked. Was there some difficulty in my answer; a lack of clarity, or did you misunderstand my answer?

Just to add to my original answer, I really don't imagine that all these countries including Australia would be utilising these resources for no reason, do you, whilst doggedly trying not to project my cuteness?


You still have not answered my question.

And.....without this:

[quote]I am assuming that your post/response is a serious question.


.....you would not have attracted due and intended aggression.  I don't make flippant posts or ask flippant questions...........even to someone who strolls in here and as part of their first post, questions the bona fides of the locals, as you did with:


Quote:
As a newcomer here, I have never read such blatant disregard for human life as I have in this thread.

[/quote]

I see, it's your forum is it, and I have to comply with your view on this event. If you are trying to incur my "aggression" I'm afraid you are just wasting your time. From your attitude and your latest over the top response I assume that you are one of the forum 'experts' who enjoys giving other members a hard time, especially the new ones like me.

Thank you for your welcome, I enjoy fencing with inflated egos, now carry on.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:27pm

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:18pm:

Quote:
We took 2 years to find the Air France ones at a similar depth - but where we saw wreckage after 2 days and knew where the site was.


Well Abbott's just borrowed $200 billion - that might see the rescue out for a few years. Finding this little black box is obviously a priority over anything else. When the world is finally convinced that they've found where the plane went down - then we can start on the deep sea exploration.



Mantra - I think the search will cost possibly  $500 billion.

$200 billion won't be enough.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:31pm

Soren wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 7:27pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:36pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:
If the plane crashed into the ocean then there are no survivors: 8 days IIRC with no food, no water, in a cold ocean. Do try and use the grey matter between your ears.



8 days?

It's been 15 days.



Imagine, you two thick bastards, that you had your family on that plane. Would you like to know what happened to them?

You are mouthing off like the tiresome far Ken bores you are. Get a grip on something other than your limp members.



You need to settle down, sweetheart.

All I said was: "It's been 15 days."

In a mutual fapping kinda way. As you do.



White flag accepted, sweetheart.



Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:46pm

Quote:
I see, it's your forum is it, and I have to comply with your view on this event.


Of course.  Just ask the owner Freediver and the Mods here.  I'm sure they'll back you up on that score.


Quote:
If you are trying to incur my "aggression" I'm afraid you are just wasting your time. From your attitude and your latest over the top response I assume that you are one of the forum 'experts' who enjoys giving other members a hard time, especially the new ones like me.


No, you are my first, 'cause you are the first to rock up as a 'newbie' and then piss all all over the carpets with:


Quote:
As a newcomer here, I have never read such blatant disregard for human life as I have in this thread.



Quote:
Thank you for your welcome, I enjoy fencing with inflated egos, now carry on.


No worries and no need to thank me, 'newbie.'

I reckon I already have you tagged.

;)

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:58pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:38pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:21pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:18pm:
[quote]When the world is finally convinced that they've found where the plane went down - then we can start on the deep sea exploration.


Rest assured we will too.


There's the 'Grendel' we again!  Who is we, Andrei?  Malaysia being the Country of Origin.....the plane's manufacturer......who is this we?


AF447 was found by Brazil & France.

My thoughts are it will be combined efforts of Australia, China and Malaysia.

The search and retrieval is usually conducted by the investigating safety boards in aviation.

It will be
Malaysia - carrying liner
China - majority nation fatalities and receipting destination
Australia - Closest land mass

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Grendel on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:10pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:38pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:21pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:18pm:
[quote]When the world is finally convinced that they've found where the plane went down - then we can start on the deep sea exploration.


Rest assured we will too.


There's the 'Grendel' we again!  Who is we, Andrei?  Malaysia being the Country of Origin.....the plane's manufacturer......who is this we?

I'm sorry apart from being politically unaware are you also short of intel about this event?  I mean it has gone global you know.  China, Malaysia, Australia, US, NZ, Canada, Thailand, Vietnam, India, Uk... just to name a few  ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by The Grappler 2014 on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:01pm


Law of the sea, sky and land - lend aid and assistance for any in peril anywhere, any time.. how is that 'wasting taxpayer's money?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by DaS Energy on Mar 24th, 2014 at 3:26am
It odd thing about this whole search is the pretence that a defence radar would not have seen it plash or followed its flight path. However to say where its is would give other countries the knowledge of how good that radar, as If their defence forces don't already know! What a Laugh!

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 24th, 2014 at 5:53am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:11pm:

____ wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:32pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:21pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:18pm:
[quote]When the world is finally convinced that they've found where the plane went down - then we can start on the deep sea exploration.


Rest assured we will too.



The transponder's battery lasts for a month, 60 days at the most. Once that stops then it's a needle in a haystack search on the ocean floor.

Two weeks into those 60 days already.


Took 2 years to find the AF ones.
We'll have to have the same patience and more this time.



And plenty of access for the drunken sailor, whoops I mean Abbott,  to taxpayer cash to fund it.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 24th, 2014 at 7:35am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:49pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 6:44pm:
Yes I know about black boxes, they would be near the cockpit and at the bottom of the ocean


They are actually in the tail of the plane.


Andrei is right. They're also bright orange (not black), Monkey Boy!

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by FriYAY on Mar 24th, 2014 at 8:04am

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:48am:
Why.

Conservatives worship money over human life. So why are we wasting millions on a maybe piece of scrap that may be a piece from a plane that may have traveled south.

Would conservative committed an open cheque for a search for boat load of refugees?



The small band of Greens up here are disgusted with the direction the commentary around politics is taking.

They lament that the Greens are joining in on the base level of political crap dribbling.

You're an embarrassment to the Greens.

And obviously you're a lamentable character personally as well.

:( :( :(


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:37am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:27pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:18pm:

Quote:
We took 2 years to find the Air France ones at a similar depth - but where we saw wreckage after 2 days and knew where the site was.


Well Abbott's just borrowed $200 billion - that might see the rescue out for a few years. Finding this little black box is obviously a priority over anything else. When the world is finally convinced that they've found where the plane went down - then we can start on the deep sea exploration.



Mantra - I think the search will cost possibly  $500 billion.

$200 billion won't be enough.


If you're on meds, you need to stop taking them. If you're not on any, get some ASAP!

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:40am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:27pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:18pm:

Quote:
We took 2 years to find the Air France ones at a similar depth - but where we saw wreckage after 2 days and knew where the site was.


Well Abbott's just borrowed $200 billion - that might see the rescue out for a few years. Finding this little black box is obviously a priority over anything else. When the world is finally convinced that they've found where the plane went down - then we can start on the deep sea exploration.



Mantra - I think the search will cost possibly  $500 billion.

$200 billion won't be enough.


If you're on meds, you need to stop taking them. If you're not on any, get some ASAP!



You are forgiven for not following many previous pages.

namaste

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 24th, 2014 at 11:02am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:27pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:18pm:

Quote:
We took 2 years to find the Air France ones at a similar depth - but where we saw wreckage after 2 days and knew where the site was.


Well Abbott's just borrowed $200 billion - that might see the rescue out for a few years. Finding this little black box is obviously a priority over anything else. When the world is finally convinced that they've found where the plane went down - then we can start on the deep sea exploration.



Mantra - I think the search will cost possibly  $500 billion.

$200 billion won't be enough.


If you're on meds, you need to stop taking them. If you're not on any, get some ASAP!



You are forgiven for not following many previous pages.

namaste


You are forgiven for being ignorant and wrong.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 24th, 2014 at 11:05am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 11:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:27pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:18pm:

Quote:
We took 2 years to find the Air France ones at a similar depth - but where we saw wreckage after 2 days and knew where the site was.


Well Abbott's just borrowed $200 billion - that might see the rescue out for a few years. Finding this little black box is obviously a priority over anything else. When the world is finally convinced that they've found where the plane went down - then we can start on the deep sea exploration.



Mantra - I think the search will cost possibly  $500 billion.

$200 billion won't be enough.


If you're on meds, you need to stop taking them. If you're not on any, get some ASAP!



You are forgiven for not following many previous pages.

namaste


You are forgiven for being ignorant and wrong.


I suggest you read here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1395558949/0#0

forgiven'

namaste

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 24th, 2014 at 4:41pm
It really looks like the simian knew of the debris in the SIO 24 hours before he announced it:

http://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/malaysian-airlines-mh370-and-hmas-success/

So it sounds like it was more to do with a distraction to cover Arfur stepping down or aside. Nice responsible use of the Parliament and tax payers’ money!

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Grendel on Mar 24th, 2014 at 4:48pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 4:41pm:
It really looks like the simian knew of the debris in the SIO 24 hours before he announced it:

http://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/malaysian-airlines-mh370-and-hmas-success/

So it sounds like it was more to do with a distraction to cover Arfur stepping down or aside. Nice responsible use of the Parliament and tax payers’ money!


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 24th, 2014 at 4:54pm

Quote:
. . . . if nothing of use is discovered Tony Abbott could be asked to further justify his announcement of ‘new and credible’ information before it could be further tested. Mr Abbott had not alerted Opposition Leader Bill Shorten yesterday of the statement he was to make – just before the start of a Question Time in which stood-aside Assistant Treasurer Arthur Sinodinos was going to be the chief subject of discussion. There is no hard rule on notifying an Opposition Leader of a statement, but frequently Prime Ministers will share information on a nonpartisan matter before it is released.


http://www.news.com.au/national/mh370-announcement-from-pm-abbott-may-have-come-too-soon/story-fncynjr2-1226861053939

So bad luck roach—there do seem valid questions need to be asked.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 24th, 2014 at 5:07pm
More on the movements of HMAS Success
http://www.smh.com.au/national/missing-malaysia-plane-captain-says-navy-searching-for-survivors-the-oldfashioned-way-20140321-358s0.html

And a question – Why is an oiler/replenishment ship doing search and rescue duty? Is it because it’s the only ship we have that is big enough and in good enough condition for the job? It’s not the fastest of ships either.
https://www.navy.gov.au/hmas-success-ii

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Grendel on Mar 24th, 2014 at 6:17pm
Only a LW Prog of incredible bias would think it possible.  Even The Insiders Lefties dismissed it.

I rest my case.  ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 24th, 2014 at 7:10pm
Big Tone leading the charge again this morning.

News headline at 6am this morning on LBC Radio in the car

"Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott says the additional wreckage potential spotted now by French satellites is evidence we may be getting closer to an answer...."

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:28am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 11:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 11:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 24th, 2014 at 10:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:27pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 8:18pm:

Quote:
We took 2 years to find the Air France ones at a similar depth - but where we saw wreckage after 2 days and knew where the site was.


Well Abbott's just borrowed $200 billion - that might see the rescue out for a few years. Finding this little black box is obviously a priority over anything else. When the world is finally convinced that they've found where the plane went down - then we can start on the deep sea exploration.



Mantra - I think the search will cost possibly  $500 billion.

$200 billion won't be enough.


If you're on meds, you need to stop taking them. If you're not on any, get some ASAP!



You are forgiven for not following many previous pages.

namaste


You are forgiven for being ignorant and wrong.


I suggest you read here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1395558949/0#0

forgiven'

namaste



The whole thread has been deleted:

All I get is



Quote:
The information you are trying to access is not available to you. ./Messages/1395558949.txt

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:29am
The thread was on the feedback board & was titled:


Policy on people posting lies on Ozpolitic.

Very strange?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:38am
Will Abbott continue this open ended drain on taxpayers now Malaysia has admitted the aircraft is gone.

Or will he admit he over committed during this budget emergency and is sinking us deeper into debt. Will he admit the cons are worse than Labor on economic management.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:39am
I'm glad Australia is playing it's part now with Great Britain, France, China, Japan, Malaysia to find wreckage now of this tragedy and to get to the bottom of what happened.

Well done Australia.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:41am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:39am:
I'm glad Australia is playing it's part now with Great Britain, France, China, Japan, Malaysia to find wreckage now of this tragedy and to get to the bottom of what happened.

Well done Australia.



Yes - it shows that Tony Abbott made the right call.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:43am
Yes abbott made the right call to reveal the finances are better than the conservatives have said. Abbott has revealed the conservatives have lied and there is no budget emergency.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:06am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:41am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:39am:
I'm glad Australia is playing it's part now with Great Britain, France, China, Japan, Malaysia to find wreckage now of this tragedy and to get to the bottom of what happened.

Well done Australia.



Yes - it shows that Tony Abbott made the right call.


Agree Bobby.
Australia's role in this international effort is to it's credit.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:47am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:29am:
The thread was on the feedback board & was titled:


Policy on people posting lies on Ozpolitic.

Very strange?



bobby stop whining...seems like you are looking for attention and not getting it.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:49am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:39am:
I'm glad Australia is playing it's part now with Great Britain, France, China, Japan, Malaysia to find wreckage now of this tragedy and to get to the bottom of what happened.

Well done Australia.



I have never had a problem with Australia doing its part... I trust other countries would help us in the same way..

I wouldnt care if 80% on board were Nth Koreans..

I dont care who you are... no one believes a plane of that magnitude just vanishes into fresh air..

we have to have answers.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:51am

cods wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:29am:
The thread was on the feedback board & was titled:


Policy on people posting lies on Ozpolitic.

Very strange?



bobby stop whining...seems like you are looking for attention and not getting it.



Not really - the thread went to 5 pages
& I never posted after the 2nd page.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:52am

____ wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:43am:
Yes abbott made the right call to reveal the finances are better than the conservatives have said. Abbott has revealed the conservatives have lied and there is no budget emergency.



beat it up why dont you...

so please dont pretend to give a fig in future about PEOPLE will you..we all know its phony as a twobob watch..

you would rather money borrowed poured down the drain. than spent on finding a missing plane that looks as if if could well have gone down in our waters....

oh well.. is anyone surprised ???? >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:07am
Check out the big fella beamed into homes across Britain delivering the news and updates tonight.

Big credit for Australia and its role in this. Well deserved,.
image__213_.jpeg (108 KB | 17 )

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:08am

cods wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:49am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:39am:
I'm glad Australia is playing it's part now with Great Britain, France, China, Japan, Malaysia to find wreckage now of this tragedy and to get to the bottom of what happened.

Well done Australia.



I have never had a problem with Australia doing its part... I trust other countries would help us in the same way..

I wouldnt care if 80% on board were Nth Koreans..

I dont care who you are... no one believes a plane of that magnitude just vanishes into fresh air..

we have to have answers.


Absolutely cods - imagine if it were people's families.
Its an international effort.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:09am
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Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:09am
....

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Grendel on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:24am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:29am:
The thread was on the feedback board & was titled:


Policy on people posting lies on Ozpolitic.

Very strange?

Well i'm betting I can name the gang of 3 it was aimed at.  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:29am
its sad not one lefty will give him any credit at all..

most have no idea... that overseas Australia is almost never mentioned...so for them to be seeing this is good.. shows the world we do do our share..

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:51am

cods wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:29am:
its sad not one lefty will give him any credit at all..

most have no idea... that overseas Australia is almost never mentioned...so for them to be seeing this is good.. shows the world we do do our share..



Rubbish - I am left wing & I gave Tony credit.

I am fair & not biased.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:56am

Grendel wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:24am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:29am:
The thread was on the feedback board & was titled:


Policy on people posting lies on Ozpolitic.

Very strange?

Well i'm betting I can name the gang of 3 it was aimed at.  ;D ;D ;D



I gave only one person as an example.
I was only trying to clarify the rules on telling lies
or making up stories & dollar values.

Seems that it's OK to write falsehoods & give no links.

That's OK - it makes it easier for me -
I won't have to always search Google for evidence.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Grendel on Mar 25th, 2014 at 2:41pm
Searching google is good for you Bobby....  having a well rounded knowledge of politics and current affairs etc is even better.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:19pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.



The ocean is full of human litter and abbott was way out of line for his empty claim.


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:31pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.


That is an extraordinary claim made first here and by you alone AP.  No-one has reported any confirmation that any wreckage is from that missing aircraft.

Where is bobbythebat when ya need him?

To paraphrase the words spoken within the last hour by a Senior Aussie Military bloke, Mark Binskin ~ in Perth......."To refer to this as a search for a needle in a haystack is appropriate.....and we still have not even located the haystack."

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:46pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.


That is an extraordinary claim made first here and by you alone AP.  No-one has reported any confirmation that any wreckage is from that missing aircraft.

Where is bobbythebat when ya need him?

To paraphrase the words spoken within the last hour by a Senior Aussie Military bloke, Mark Binskin ~ in Perth......."To refer to this as a search for a needle in a haystack is appropriate.....and we still have not even located the haystack."



It's not against the rules to make up stories Aussie.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bigvicfella on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:51pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.



"Defence Minister David Johnston says until debris is recovered and positively identified as being from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, any information about the search for the missing plane is speculation"

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/25/00/36/malaysian-pm-to-brief-press-on-plane

I can't find any information that states confirmed wteckage has been found.  All I can find so far is the info above and that Abbott is handing the situation back to Malaysia

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:54pm

Vic wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.



"Defence Minister David Johnston says until debris is recovered and positively identified as being from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, any information about the search for the missing plane is speculation"

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/25/00/36/malaysian-pm-to-brief-press-on-plane

I can't find any information that states confirmed wteckage has been found.  All I can find so far is the info above and that Abbott is handing the situation back to Malaysia


And you won't.  ArmchairP simply made that up!  Bloody amazing!

>:(

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:56pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.



WOW!!!!

Just WOW!!!

(I hope the relatives are not reading this site)

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:56pm
Armchair should withdraw his story & apologise to all the readers.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:56pm

____ wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.



The ocean is full of human litter and abbott was way out of line for his empty claim.


He didn't make up the claim - satellite imagery experts informed him that it was credible imagery that deserved further investigation. Turns out that it was the right call.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:14pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.




" ... since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 ..."

What?

When?

By whom?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:15pm

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:15pm

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:56pm:
Armchair should withdraw his story & apologise to all the readers.



bump

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by cods on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:24pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.



WOW!!!!

Just WOW!!!

(I hope the relatives are not reading this site)



if you watch the news tonight pansi you will see they are in tooo much pain to wonder what people on a forum like this think..

did you see where they were finally told the plane went down by text message..

what is this world coming too..

its been one disaster after another..

theres been no respect shown to the families none at all..

its all about passing the buck..


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Neferti on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:31pm
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Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:37pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.



WOW!!!!

Just WOW!!!

(I hope the relatives are not reading this site)


It is all over the news! Enough with the fake shock/anger. You gave that up when you put yourself in with Greens_Whine starting this appalling thread...

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:38pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.



WOW!!!!

Just WOW!!!

(I hope the relatives are not reading this site)


It is all over the news!



Link?

You made the story up.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:38pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.



WOW!!!!

Just WOW!!!

(I hope the relatives are not reading this site)


It is all over the news!



Link?

You made the story up.


Go check any news site - it's been officially declared as lost.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:49pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:38pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.



WOW!!!!

Just WOW!!!

(I hope the relatives are not reading this site)


It is all over the news!



Link?

You made the story up.


Go check any news site - it's been officially declared as lost.



wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370


Absolute nonsense.

Armchair won't apologise.

What a loser.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:51pm

Quote:
Go check any news site - it's been officially declared as lost.


True.

And the wreckage?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 25th, 2014 at 5:07pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:38pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.



WOW!!!!

Just WOW!!!

(I hope the relatives are not reading this site)


It is all over the news!



Link?

You made the story up.


Go check any news site - it's been officially declared as lost.



Yes, it's lost.

However, you said " ... possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370".

Where are you getting news about confirmation of the wreckage belonging to the lost plane?

Can you provide a link?


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 25th, 2014 at 5:19pm

Quote:
Yes, it's lost.

However, you said " ... possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370".

Where are you getting news about confirmation of the wreckage belonging to the lost plane?

Can you provide a link


Of course not.  AP simply made that up.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 25th, 2014 at 5:26pm
The plane is lost.

That's pretty much certain unfortunately.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 25th, 2014 at 5:34pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

Quote:
Yes, it's lost.

However, you said " ... possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370".

Where are you getting news about confirmation of the wreckage belonging to the lost plane?

Can you provide a link


Of course not.  AP simply made that up.




Why would he do such a thing?

AP: why did you fabricate that story?



Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Yadda on Mar 25th, 2014 at 5:57pm

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:41am:
You're an a$$hole. >:(



And abbott is an economic illiterate.

6 aircrafts searching for a crashed plane where if any survived they would of drowned by now.

Let them go and stop wasting tax payers cash.




Greens_Win,

We all want to know;
1/ who diverted this aircraft [off course] [and if it was the crew - why did they do it?],
2/ if they flew it into the surface of the southern ocean, and,
3/ WHY?

And we all want to know this, even if it costs a lot of money.iSeriously....


Quote:
A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.



Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0



Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Yadda on Mar 25th, 2014 at 5:58pm
bump






Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Yadda on Mar 25th, 2014 at 5:59pm
bump #2








Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Yadda on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 7:02am:
Dear Greens,
the search is not just about those people -
what if the Boeing 777 has an intrinsic fault that
will cause other similar planes to crash?

The whole world must find out why it crashed &
the only way is to  find the black boxes.



It could be you flying on the next  777.



Or, a plane-load of moslems from Australia, doing Hajj to Mecca.



Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:07pm
So.....we waive visa fees for any relative of someone on board to come here.  Why would they bother coming here?  There's nothing to see here.

Is this just grandstanding by Abbott?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:28pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:07pm:
So.....we waive visa fees for any relative of someone on board to come here.  Why would they bother coming here?  There's nothing to see here.

Is this just grandstanding by Abbott?


Of course it is, it's international news, he had to have his name stamped on it somehow, look at me! look at me! and to draw attention from other sinister events that's going on behind our backs.

When Abbott says 'look over there' there's something he doesn't want us to see right here.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Grendel on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:29pm
is that your anti-Abbott bias I see raising its ugly head again Aussie?
of course it is.
he is probably just doing what he'd like to have done for him if he was in the same situation.
Like it or not, Perth is now the centre for the search and recover operation and Perth is in Australia.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Grendel on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:30pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:07pm:
So.....we waive visa fees for any relative of someone on board to come here.  Why would they bother coming here?  There's nothing to see here.

Is this just grandstanding by Abbott?


Of course it is, it's international news, he had to have his name stamped on it somehow, look at me! look at me! and to draw attention from other sinister events that's going on behind our backs.

When Abbott says 'look over there' there's something he doesn't want us to see right here.

Spoken like a true Labor flunky pansi... ::)


Quote:
During his student days he once "saved a child who was swept out to sea. Another time, he helped save children from a burning house next to a pub where he was drinking. On each occasion he disappeared before he could be properly thanked".

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:42pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:30pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:07pm:
So.....we waive visa fees for any relative of someone on board to come here.  Why would they bother coming here?  There's nothing to see here.

Is this just grandstanding by Abbott?


Of course it is, it's international news, he had to have his name stamped on it somehow, look at me! look at me! and to draw attention from other sinister events that's going on behind our backs.

When Abbott says 'look over there' there's something he doesn't want us to see right here.

Spoken like a true Labor flunky pansi... ::)


Quote:
During his student days he once "saved a child who was swept out to sea. Another time, he helped save children from a burning house next to a pub where he was drinking. On each occasion he disappeared before he could be properly thanked".


::)

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:43pm
Plenty of bigots and racists toward the Chinese here.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:51pm
It seems a UK satellite found the real debris?

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:55pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:51pm:
It seems a UK satellite found the real debris?


Really?  Link.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:55pm
Another stupid Greens_Lose thread consigned to landfill.
Total waste of space.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:57pm
Sorry Aussie, no link, something I half-saw on ABC1 early news.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:57pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:55pm:
Another stupid Greens_Lose thread consigned to landfill.
Total waste of space.


Yeas, you're quite correct.  Only 29 pages of landfill.

Pffffttt!

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Aussie on Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:00pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
Sorry Aussie, no link, something I half-saw on ABC1 early news.


There has been chatter about Doppler effect radar of European origin tracking down the 'pings' of engine management transmissions suggesting a crash into the Southern Ocean, but nothing anywhere at all of any relevant debris being located.

They are still trying to find the haystack ~ let alone the needle.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:11pm
That is what I half–saw.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:13pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
Sorry Aussie, no link, something I half-saw on ABC1 early news.



Forgiven

it shows why searching for a link from a reputable website is important.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:18pm
I don’t need or want your forgiveness, you homophobic bible basher!

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:23pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
I don’t need or want your forgiveness, you homophobic bible basher!



Dear George,

all are forgiven unconditionally,

and LOVED beyond measure,

it is better to conquer thyself than to win 1000 battles...

in LOVE and LIGHT

namaste

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:04pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 5:57pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:41am:
You're an a$$hole. >:(



And abbott is an economic illiterate.

6 aircrafts searching for a crashed plane where if any survived they would of drowned by now.

Let them go and stop wasting tax payers cash.




Greens_Win,

We all want to know;
1/ who diverted this aircraft [off course] [and if it was the crew - why did they do it?],
2/ if they flew it into the surface of the southern ocean, and,
3/ WHY?

And we all want to know this, even if it costs a lot of money.iSeriously....


Quote:
A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.



Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0


You're wasting your breath. Greens_Loser doesn't do common sense.

Title: Re: How Much Is Tony Spending On MH370 Search?
Post by Greens_Win on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:10pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 5:57pm:

____ wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 6:41am:
You're an a$$hole. >:(



And abbott is an economic illiterate.

6 aircrafts searching for a crashed plane where if any survived they would of drowned by now.

Let them go and stop wasting tax payers cash.




Greens_Win,

We all want to know;
1/ who diverted this aircraft [off course] [and if it was the crew - why did they do it?],
2/ if they flew it into the surface of the southern ocean, and,
3/ WHY?

And we all want to know this, even if it costs a lot of money.iSeriously....


Quote:
A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.



Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0


You're wasting your breath. Greens_Loser doesn't do common sense.



So where did you find MH370 ... and why isn't your claim of finding headline news

Does you looney status precede you?



Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

Quote:
Yes, it's lost.

However, you said " ... possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370".

Where are you getting news about confirmation of the wreckage belonging to the lost plane?

Can you provide a link


Of course not.  AP simply made that up.




Why would he do such a thing?

AP: why did you fabricate that story?




AP: why did you tell a lie?

" ... possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370"

Hmmm?    :-/


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:20pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Time for you leftards who attacked Abbott over his announcements of sightings of possible wreckage that has since been confirmed as belonging to MH370 to apologise for those cowardly comments.



Liar.

"Planes from several nations have been scouring waters far off Perth for signs of the missing plane, in a search co-ordinated by Australia.

"There have been several sightings of debris, but none have yet been confirmed as linked to the plane."


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26728045

For those who missed it: "none have yet been confirmed as linked to the plane".

One more time: "none have yet been confirmed as linked to the plane".

AP: you are a liar, and not a very good one.

Apologise to this forum for telling lies, liar.



Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 25th, 2014 at 11:24pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 25th, 2014 at 6:51pm:
It seems a UK satellite found the real debris?


No not at all.

Inmarsat, which is a company based here which tracks all airplanes and ships across the world was able to identify from the hourly pings the possible last point of contact of the aircraft based upon the time taken to ping and the location at that point of the satellite.

Since that announcement, they then worked back and calculated by way of the hourly pings, the time taken to reach them, the position during each ping of the satellite and the trajectory of all other known aircraft accounted for in the area.

By painstaking process of elimination, which has taken them 2 weeks. They have been able to confirm that the northern route was not taken by MH0370.

The only route it could have taken to fit in line with the data received was the southerly one.
Given that, the last ping was received 7 hours after it lost radar contact and therefore it is confirmed that the reason that there were no further contact was because it had ditched somewhere.

The position it was last known was the middle of the southern Indian Ocean - the closest land mass being Antarctica to the south and Perth to the far west.
Well beyond reach of the plane by that time.

There has been no confirmed wreckage.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 31st, 2014 at 8:42am
Abbott is continuing to give unlimited funding to continue this futile search. He will be sharing the cost with Malaysia. The hundreds of relatives arriving in Australia will also have their visa fees waived.

This is on top of 5 planes and one ship and who knows what else.


Quote:
It comes as Prime Minister Tony Abbott announced on Sunday that Air Chief Marshal Houston would lead a new joint agency coordination centre based in Perth to commandeer the Australian government's search for MH370.

"Australia is providing extensive logistical and other support to the government of Malaysia in the investigation," Mr Abbott said in a statement.

''We should not underestimate the difficulty of this work,'' Prime Minister Tony Abbott said on Saturday. ''It is an extraordinarily remote location. These are inhospitable seas. It's an inaccessible place. We are trying to find small bits of wreckage in a vast ocean and while we are throwing everything we have at it, the task goes on.''


The frigate HMAS Toowoomba has been diverted from its task of scouring Australia's northern reaches for asylum seeker boats and will join soon. It arrived at Garden Island naval base near Perth on Saturday and will take on a new crew that will include a contingent of navy divers who will be required to secure any found items.

HMAS Toowoomba will also carry a Seahawk helicopter.

On Sunday, the Australian navy vessel Ocean Shield is also expected to arrive near Perth and will take on board a towed pinger locator and a team of US military personnel who will operate the machine. It is designed to pick up any signal from the beacon of MH370's flight recorder, known as the black box.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-new-hope-for-clues-to-mh370s-fate-as-ships-scour-more-hospitable-search-area-20140329-35q99.html

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Mar 31st, 2014 at 9:00am
What struck me is that no passing recon sat at low altitude doing a pass over the Indian Ocean has owned up to seeing infrared signature of engines of a jet in an odd place....

I know they play it close to the chest, but hey... look around any early morning and count the low flights of sats going East West and West East and North South....... them fast moving ones are recon sats....

'up' range is West East - 'down' range is East West..... just saying...

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Grendel on Mar 31st, 2014 at 9:01am

mantra wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 8:42am:
Abbott is continuing to give unlimited funding to continue this futile search. He will be sharing the cost with Malaysia. The hundreds of relatives arriving in Australia will also have their visa fees waived.

This is on top of 5 planes and one ship and who knows what else.


Quote:
It comes as Prime Minister Tony Abbott announced on Sunday that Air Chief Marshal Houston would lead a new joint agency coordination centre based in Perth to commandeer the Australian government's search for MH370.

"Australia is providing extensive logistical and other support to the government of Malaysia in the investigation," Mr Abbott said in a statement.

''We should not underestimate the difficulty of this work,'' Prime Minister Tony Abbott said on Saturday. ''It is an extraordinarily remote location. These are inhospitable seas. It's an inaccessible place. We are trying to find small bits of wreckage in a vast ocean and while we are throwing everything we have at it, the task goes on.''


The frigate HMAS Toowoomba has been diverted from its task of scouring Australia's northern reaches for asylum seeker boats and will join soon. It arrived at Garden Island naval base near Perth on Saturday and will take on a new crew that will include a contingent of navy divers who will be required to secure any found items.

HMAS Toowoomba will also carry a Seahawk helicopter.

On Sunday, the Australian navy vessel Ocean Shield is also expected to arrive near Perth and will take on board a towed pinger locator and a team of US military personnel who will operate the machine. It is designed to pick up any signal from the beacon of MH370's flight recorder, known as the black box.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-new-hope-for-clues-to-mh370s-fate-as-ships-scour-more-hospitable-search-area-20140329-35q99.html

The minute I forget you're a hater and Abbott is to blame for everything you pop right up and remind me.

The Australian Government as part of a global effort is doing it's part.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Mar 31st, 2014 at 9:11am
As before - Law of the Sea etc - come to the aid of any in distress.... assist in any assistance required.

I recall that one flight - I think it was the Indian one bombed over the Irish Sea - was very deep and huge efforts were made to recover the Black Boxes..

All that is needed is to find the crash site or some distinctive debris and work back on currents etc.  The longer the gap though the harder that is, and the area is just too huge at the moment.

Deep recoveries:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Airways_Flight_295

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by mantra on Mar 31st, 2014 at 9:23am

Grendel wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 9:01am:
The minute I forget you're a hater and Abbott is to blame for everything you pop right up and remind me.


Grendel you need to stop with the personal attacks. The rules are clear now and maybe you need to read them. I've tolerated this hate nonsense from you for too long.


Quote:
The Australian Government as part of a global effort is doing it's part.


Yes of course - that's why we're doing the lion's share.





Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Grendel on Mar 31st, 2014 at 5:11pm

mantra wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 9:23am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 9:01am:
The minute I forget you're a hater and Abbott is to blame for everything you pop right up and remind me.


Grendel you need to stop with the personal attacks. The rules are clear now and maybe you need to read them. I've tolerated this hate nonsense from you for too long.   Just posting facts mantra.... you have quite a reputation for it.


Quote:
The Australian Government as part of a global effort is doing it's part.


Yes of course - that's why we're doing the lion's share.
Are we?  Or are we doing OUR share after all we are the largest democracy down here.  many countries are flying out of Australia.  australia is the "control" centre for this search for very good logistical reasons.


Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by gizmo_2655 on Mar 31st, 2014 at 6:48pm
It's not a 'waste', it's a search and recovery operation. That's not something you can put a price on.

If members of my family were on a missing plane, I wouldn't want the search to end until it was found.

Title: Re: How Much Of Your Cash Is Tony Wasting On MH370?
Post by Sir Bobby on Mar 31st, 2014 at 6:54pm
Why is this thread still going?

Haven't we all agreed that the world needs to know
if there is a fault in the Boeing 777 that could cause another accident?

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