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Message started by the wise one on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:24am

Title: March in March
Post by the wise one on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:24am


No matter how it happened or who is to blame, the sad reality is that we as a nation have been inflicted with a self-serving excuse for a government. The country has completely unravelled under the Abbott Government and until now, we’ve felt utterly powerless against his will.

Based on their belief in unchallengeable power, Abbott led his campaign with lies and scare-tactics. Now that they hold the reins, they have broken promises and systematically torn apart long-standing and successful policies as quickly as they possibly could. This frenzied attack on our own country has done nothing to benefit anyone other than the rich – those who need assistance least of all.

Standing against human rights, they’ve instructed our Naval forces to turn back the desperate and down-trodden with force, they’ve denied marriage equality and they’ve cut the already minimal benefits to the needy in every possible sector.

Determined to allow big-business to profit at any environmental cost, they’ve cut the ‘green tape’ by removing heritage listings to allow dredging and logging of our most precious and previously protected environmental resources.

They’ve denied clear science by being stubborn climate sceptics with what will be devastating consequences, reversed pre-election promises to fight whaling practices and, by being ignorant to their responsibilities, have destroyed international relations with Indonesia.

…and this is just SOME of what has been done since September 2013.

Australia has become a shell of what it once was and we, for the most part, are truly ashamed. We have fought for individual causes with our petitions and a form of independent media that is free from the restraints of owners such as the repulsive and repugnant, Rupert Murdoch.

We have been left with what feels like an insurmountable battle, but this has not stopped us from trying everything that we can. Now it is time for us to stand united using our loudest possible, most well-informed collective voice and march as one against the Abbott government.

March in March 2014 is an independent, national protest being held in a variety of locations across Australia. It has been organised by members of the concerned public and is not associated with any political party.


Source: March In March Facebook page


We are marching in peaceful protest as a vote of no confidence in the Abbott Government on the weekend of March 15/16th (Canberra on March 17th). You can view the current list of locations, dates and times (where available) here. This list will be regularly updated as more information becomes available. Read more about why we are protesting here.

March in March 2014 has been organised by “a group of four people in an executive role with a broader team of specialist volunteers supporting them.” – March in March 2014 on Facebook

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Title: Re: March in March
Post by the wise one on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:26am
The confirmed locations thus far are as follows:



Stay up-to-date with future locations and details of the event by ‘liking’ the event Facebook page, following them on Twitter at @MarchinMarchAus and/or follow your local event’s page via the links above. This post will also be regularly updated with newly added locations and details as they become available.
Donations are very necessary to enable this march to happen. Please don’t assume that someone else will help; even if you can contribute $10, you’ll be helping to cover important materials for the promotion of the march and other necessaries as detailed below. The donation model has been checked by an accountant and any leftover funds will be donated to charity. Donation account is listed as a public document.



It’s time for us to prove that while the Abbott Government has refused to listen thus far, we do indeed have a voice.

I will be marching as a vote of no confidence in the Abbott Government in March 2014; will you?


http://leesalittle.com/2014/01/17/march-in-march-australia-2014-a-national-protest-as-a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-the-abbott-government/

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Innocent bystander on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:30am
Looks like the usual rent a mob of arse f*ckers, fake refugee supporters and looney climate change weirdos, lots of idiotic green triangles everywhere no doubt ... Suck it up losers  ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by adelcrow on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:33am
These sorts of things just play into the hands of the far right hard liners.
I will wait until midway through Abbotts term before I join the protesters because by then every Aussie will be much worse off than they were in 2013.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:33am
There's nothing in my area (safe Lib/Nat seat) so will
probably head to either Sydney or Can't-berra.

These grubs MUST be stopped.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by adelcrow on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:34am
Timing is the key and its way to early to be taking to the streets

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:36am

John S wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:26am:
It’s time for us to prove that while the Abbott Government has refused to listen thus far, we do indeed have a voice.

I will be marching as a vote of no confidence in the Abbott Government in March 2014; will you?



I will be.

Hopefully there will be one closer to home, otherwise I will travel down to the big smoke....YUK!...... a worthwhile protest is always exhilarating.

It's going to be a busy year, the no confidence in dunderhead, save the GBR, various shut the gate anti CSG protests and the G20 Leaders Summit in November.

I'll be worn out by the time Nazi Newman and Abbott get the boot.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by cods on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:50am

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:30am:
Looks like the usual rent a mob of arse f*ckers, fake refugee supporters and looney climate change weirdos, lots of idiotic green triangles everywhere no doubt ... Suck it up losers  ;D



hilarious pansi and kat and wisepone.. OMG..

I bet not one of them has opened their homes to asylum seekers.. nor serves at the soup kitchens every friday night for the poor.and underprivileged pansi claims we have hundreds of thousands of...

shame australia shame..

.why dont they get a job,.. if they are so unhappy.??

how about volunteering..doing it for luv of country... ;D ;D ;D


it wont happen...it just wont happen.. to busy being self righteous..and pompous..

Title: Re: March in March
Post by cods on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:52am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:36am:

John S wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:26am:
It’s time for us to prove that while the Abbott Government has refused to listen thus far, we do indeed have a voice.

I will be marching as a vote of no confidence in the Abbott Government in March 2014; will you?



I will be.

Hopefully there will be one closer to home, otherwise I will travel down to the big smoke....YUK!...... a worthwhile protest is always exhilarating.

It's going to be a busy year, the no confidence in dunderhead, save the GBR, various shut the gate anti CSG protests and the G20 Leaders Summit in November.

I'll be worn out by the time Nazi Newman and Abbott get the boot.



oooops here comes Jackboots pansi..waving the Hammer and Sickle.. ::) ::)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:52am
All the sterotypes trotted out in one post  :D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:59am
over they go....




bye bye cods.....

Title: Re: March in March
Post by adelcrow on Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:06am

cods wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:50am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:30am:
Looks like the usual rent a mob of arse f*ckers, fake refugee supporters and looney climate change weirdos, lots of idiotic green triangles everywhere no doubt ... Suck it up losers  ;D



hilarious pansi and kat and wisepone.. OMG..

I bet not one of them has opened their homes to asylum seekers.. nor serves at the soup kitchens every friday night for the poor.and underprivileged pansi claims we have hundreds of thousands of...

shame australia shame..

.why dont they get a job,.. if they are so unhappy.??

how about volunteering..doing it for luv of country... ;D ;D ;D


it wont happen...it just wont happen.. to busy being self righteous..and pompous..


Actually a month ago one of my daughters bridesmaids was a young Sri Lankan lass who came here as an orphaned refugee under Rudds watch..
So lets not assume that people here do not associate with those who came to this country as recent refugees

Title: Re: March in March
Post by salad in on Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:07am
We've had the Convoy of No Confidence and now we are about to see the March of Malcontents. Democracy is alive and well.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by adelcrow on Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:10am

salad in wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:07am:
We've had the Convoy of No Confidence and now we are about to see the March of Malcontents. Democracy is alive and well.


It wont be the same as Abbott's.... Parade of Pissed off Pensioners

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Sparky on Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:16am
These people obviously don't support a democratically elected government that doesn't do what they want. The more they carry on the more the Australian people will turn away from them.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:17am
Convoy of Incontinence—an astroturfed event that flopped.

Hopefully the one in March will have a much more solid presence. Plenty already have grievances:

1. Those to whom the NBN is important–business people, pensioners, rural producers

2. Employment—workers from SPC, Holden, Ford, component makers

3. Those to whom the ABC, a free press is important

4. Environmentalists protesting at the simian’s 4th grade science leading to destruction of GBR, destruction of Carbon Price (which won’t see any reduction in electricity prices) RET etc

Best to protest NOW than after the damage is irrevocably done. Show the Senate there is opposition to the shambles and the destructive path it is treading.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by crocodile on Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:24am
Sorry, can't make the 17th. I'll be far too busy with more important matters like the St Patricks Day parade and the serious parties afterwards.

Have fun though. With all the green in the crowd it may well be mistaken for a Paddy's day march anyway.

Certainly won't be wasting my time campaigning for the demise of one tosser only to have him replaced by another one.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:31am
Nah, can’t ask for the simian to be tossed yet, but can protest the more cretinous and destructive of his actions and flagged intentions. Might give a salutary warning to JoHo too.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:32am


cods wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:50am:
nor serves at the soup kitchens every friday night for the poor.and underprivileged pansi claims we have hundreds of thousands of...



You don't even know what's happening in your own city, yet you sit on this forum pointing the finger at good people who have put decades of hard work into helping the disadvantaged and underprivileged....shame on you!

You live in a vacuum or you choose to ignore this, then have the hide to judge others. This level  of poverty and desperation in your own city and you didn't know about it....shame on you!


The rate of homelessness in the ACT has jumped by 70 per cent in the past five years, a figure that community agencies are labelling a ''wake-up call'' for the government.

Latest census data revealed the rate of homelessness in the capital had increased from 29.3 persons per 10,000 in 2006 to 50 persons per 10,000 last year, giving the ACT the second-highest rate of homelessness behind the Northern Territory.

The number of homeless people in the ACT jumped from 949 in 2006 to 1785 last year, climbing much quicker than overall population growth.


Read more:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/wakeup-call-as-homelessness-rises-20121112-298w1.html#ixzz2s60Mlv4X

(sorry the wise one for hijacking your thread, it had to be said)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by LaQuinn on Feb 1st, 2014 at 3:23pm
What people think March in March will be.


Reality


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Spot of Borg on Feb 1st, 2014 at 3:38pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:32am:

cods wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:50am:
nor serves at the soup kitchens every friday night for the poor.and underprivileged pansi claims we have hundreds of thousands of...



You don't even know what's happening in your own city, yet you sit on this forum pointing the finger at good people who have put decades of hard work into helping the disadvantaged and underprivileged....shame on you!

You live in a vacuum or you choose to ignore this, then have the hide to judge others. This level  of poverty and desperation in your own city and you didn't know about it....shame on you!


The rate of homelessness in the ACT has jumped by 70 per cent in the past five years, a figure that community agencies are labelling a ''wake-up call'' for the government.

Latest census data revealed the rate of homelessness in the capital had increased from 29.3 persons per 10,000 in 2006 to 50 persons per 10,000 last year, giving the ACT the second-highest rate of homelessness behind the Northern Territory.

The number of homeless people in the ACT jumped from 949 in 2006 to 1785 last year, climbing much quicker than overall population growth.


Read more:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/wakeup-call-as-homelessness-rises-20121112-298w1.html#ixzz2s60Mlv4X

(sorry the wise one for hijacking your thread, it had to be said)


The thing with the ACT is that all those houses burned down several years ago and the councils wont give permits to rebuild or to build new places. There is a severe housing shortage in ACT. I read a study where it was found that most of the homeless in ACT are middle aged women too.

SOB

Title: Re: March in March
Post by cods on Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:12pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:32am:

cods wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:50am:
nor serves at the soup kitchens every friday night for the poor.and underprivileged pansi claims we have hundreds of thousands of...



You don't even know what's happening in your own city, yet you sit on this forum pointing the finger at good people who have put decades of hard work into helping the disadvantaged and underprivileged....shame on you!

You live in a vacuum or you choose to ignore this, then have the hide to judge others. This level  of poverty and desperation in your own city and you didn't know about it....shame on you!




[color=#ff0000]BTW PANSI... I DID MEALS ON WHEELS FOR MANY MANY YEARS.. I DID VOLUNTEER WORK FOR DISABLED CHILDREN.. I HAVE TAKEN MY KIDS FRIENDS INTO MY HOME AND BECAME MORE OF A MUM TO THEM THAN THEIR OWN BLOOD..I AM STILL VERY VERY MUCH A PART OF THEIR LIVES..IF YOU NEED VERIFICATION OF THAT i CAN PROVIDE IT FOR YOU ON PM....AND THIS YEAR I PLAN ON COOKING FOR THE HOMELESS SOUP KITCHEN IN ACT... IN CIVIC TO BE EXACT..

I DONT WANT TO BLOW MY OWN TRUMPET.. BUT WHEN YOU LABEL PEOPLE AND JUDGE PEOPLE..just the same as you accuse others... ::) ::)how many asylum seekers did you take in pansi?

The rate of homelessness in the ACT has jumped by 70 per cent in the past five years, a figure that community agencies are labelling a ''wake-up call'' for the government.

Latest census data revealed the rate of homelessness in the capital had increased from 29.3 persons per 10,000 in 2006 to 50 persons per 10,000 last year, giving the ACT the second-highest rate of homelessness behind the Northern Territory.

The number of homeless people in the ACT jumped from 949 in 2006 to 1785 last year, climbing much quicker than overall population growth.



HEY THAT WAS ON RUDD/GILLARDS WATCH   AND GUESS WHAT ITS A LABOR GOVT IN ACT....



AND HAS BEEN FOR A BLOODY LONG TIME..


Read more:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/wakeup-call-as-homelessness-rises-20121112-298w1.html#ixzz2s60Mlv4X

(sorry the wise one for hijacking your thread, it had to be said)



REALLY?

perhaps it you that needs to take a good look at themselves.. who are the ones complaining bitterly about a govt thats been in for 5 months..and planning on marching through the streets...

all of the mess was created by their predecessors.....



talk about brick bats. >:( >:(


ps.. I only read last week.. People in Canberra are the happiest people in Australia... dont ask me who they asked I would know.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by cods on Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:21pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 3:38pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:32am:

cods wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:50am:
nor serves at the soup kitchens every friday night for the poor.and underprivileged pansi claims we have hundreds of thousands of...



You don't even know what's happening in your own city, yet you sit on this forum pointing the finger at good people who have put decades of hard work into helping the disadvantaged and underprivileged....shame on you!

You live in a vacuum or you choose to ignore this, then have the hide to judge others. This level  of poverty and desperation in your own city and you didn't know about it....shame on you!


The rate of homelessness in the ACT has jumped by 70 per cent in the past five years, a figure that community agencies are labelling a ''wake-up call'' for the government.

Latest census data revealed the rate of homelessness in the capital had increased from 29.3 persons per 10,000 in 2006 to 50 persons per 10,000 last year, giving the ACT the second-highest rate of homelessness behind the Northern Territory.

The number of homeless people in the ACT jumped from 949 in 2006 to 1785 last year, climbing much quicker than overall population growth.


Read more:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/wakeup-call-as-homelessness-rises-20121112-298w1.html#ixzz2s60Mlv4X

(sorry the wise one for hijacking your thread, it had to be said)


The thing with the ACT is that all those houses burned down several years ago and the councils wont give permits to rebuild or to build new places. There is a severe housing shortage in ACT. I read a study where it was found that most of the homeless in ACT are middle aged women too.

SOB


\
CRAP..

whereever you got that in formation from.. you need to get them off your Xmas card list.. total codswallop my friend..

all those homes that burnt down [500] have been replaced... you have to by LOCAL LAW build within 12 months of owning a block of land...those they rebuilt were given extentions at the time... never heard such bullrushes..

as for age groups we do have a lot of aboriginals in ACT.. but aged women.. I doubt it very much..

I would put the age group as between 25/40 to be honest..I have yet to see anyone sleeping on a bench or at a bus stop.. maybe I lead a sheltered life I dont know.

but I suggest you change your information source.

its way off.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by cods on Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:22pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:59am:
over they go....




bye bye cods.....




thanks pansi...

Title: Re: March in March
Post by cods on Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:26pm

crocodile wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:24am:
Sorry, can't make the 17th. I'll be far too busy with more important matters like the St Patricks Day parade and the serious parties afterwards.

Have fun though. With all the green in the crowd it may well be mistaken for a Paddy's day march anyway.

Certainly won't be wasting my time campaigning for the demise of one tosser only to have him replaced by another one.




why is he a tosser.. didnt you want people to stop drowning???>..EITHER...I am surprised thought it was only the  hard left that enjoyed that spectacle ... ::) ::)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by aquascoot on Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:51pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:36am:

John S wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:26am:
It’s time for us to prove that while the Abbott Government has refused to listen thus far, we do indeed have a voice.

I will be marching as a vote of no confidence in the Abbott Government in March 2014; will you?



I will be.

Hopefully there will be one closer to home, otherwise I will travel down to the big smoke....YUK!...... a worthwhile protest is always exhilarating.

It's going to be a busy year, the no confidence in dunderhead, save the GBR, various shut the gate anti CSG protests and the G20 Leaders Summit in November.

I'll be worn out by the time Nazi Newman and Abbott get the boot.



running a successful small business enterprise i s exhilerating.  attending a protest march about the outcome of a recent democratic election is just f^^king bizarre ;) ;)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by FriYAY on Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:53pm
I hope you all at least have a shower before you turn up.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:58pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:51pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:36am:

John S wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:26am:
It’s time for us to prove that while the Abbott Government has refused to listen thus far, we do indeed have a voice.

I will be marching as a vote of no confidence in the Abbott Government in March 2014; will you?



I will be.

Hopefully there will be one closer to home, otherwise I will travel down to the big smoke....YUK!...... a worthwhile protest is always exhilarating.

It's going to be a busy year, the no confidence in dunderhead, save the GBR, various shut the gate anti CSG protests and the G20 Leaders Summit in November.

I'll be worn out by the time Nazi Newman and Abbott get the boot.



running a successful small business enterprise i s exhilerating.  attending a protest march about the outcome of a recent democratic election is just f^^king bizarre ;) ;)



Not when you end up with a bunch of unrepresentative fecksticks and polesmokers like the current lot, it isn't.

They are what's bizarre, not their opponents.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by aquascoot on Feb 1st, 2014 at 6:04pm

Kat wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:58pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:51pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:36am:

John S wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:26am:
It’s time for us to prove that while the Abbott Government has refused to listen thus far, we do indeed have a voice.

I will be marching as a vote of no confidence in the Abbott Government in March 2014; will you?



I will be.

Hopefully there will be one closer to home, otherwise I will travel down to the big smoke....YUK!...... a worthwhile protest is always exhilarating.

It's going to be a busy year, the no confidence in dunderhead, save the GBR, various shut the gate anti CSG protests and the G20 Leaders Summit in November.

I'll be worn out by the time Nazi Newman and Abbott get the boot.



running a successful small business enterprise i s exhilerating.  attending a protest march about the outcome of a recent democratic election is just f^^king bizarre ;) ;)



Not when you end up with a bunch of unrepresentative fecksticks and polesmokers like the current lot, it isn't.

They are what's bizarre, not their opponents.


but they are representative. Its called the house of representatives and we just had an election

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phallic Baldwin on Feb 1st, 2014 at 6:23pm
March in March - the comedy event of the year!

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Feb 1st, 2014 at 6:27pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 6:04pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:58pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:51pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:36am:

John S wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:26am:
It’s time for us to prove that while the Abbott Government has refused to listen thus far, we do indeed have a voice.

I will be marching as a vote of no confidence in the Abbott Government in March 2014; will you?



I will be.

Hopefully there will be one closer to home, otherwise I will travel down to the big smoke....YUK!...... a worthwhile protest is always exhilarating.

It's going to be a busy year, the no confidence in dunderhead, save the GBR, various shut the gate anti CSG protests and the G20 Leaders Summit in November.

I'll be worn out by the time Nazi Newman and Abbott get the boot.



running a successful small business enterprise i s exhilerating.  attending a protest march about the outcome of a recent democratic election is just f^^king bizarre ;) ;)



Not when you end up with a bunch of unrepresentative fecksticks and polesmokers like the current lot, it isn't.

They are what's bizarre, not their opponents.


but they are representative. Its called the house of representatives and we just had an election



Yes, they represent everything bad about far-right nationalism.

They do not represent the people, apart from a vocal but very stupid minority.

A very small minority, if you take the Nats vote away from them (as should happen ASAP).

Title: Re: March in March
Post by FriYAY on Feb 1st, 2014 at 7:10pm

Kat wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:33am:
There's nothing in my area (safe Lib/Nat seat) so will
probably head to either Sydney or Can't-berra.

These grubs MUST be stopped.


I see the ADL is protesting against the building of a mosque in Canberra in March.

I might see you there....

;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 14th, 2014 at 6:10am
MARCH IN MARCH

It's here, this weekend.  A growing band of unsatisfied customers.

Have a good day at your protest rally, everyone that is telling Abbott....

NOT IN MY NAME

* Off-shore processing of asylum seekers and human torture

* Plus at least twenty other draconian neo fascist policies

BOTR

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:42am
Wankers

ALL PROMISED at election time and now you sour grapes are calling it lies. No wonder you are not taken serious you astroturf pieces of shite

Title: Re: March in March
Post by woody2013 on Mar 14th, 2014 at 8:23am

Kat wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:33am:
There's nothing in my area (safe Lib/Nat seat) so will
probably head to either Sydney or Can't-berra.

These grubs MUST be stopped.



;D ;D ;D ;D  BEST Jump on a PUSS BIKE AND PEDAL   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 14th, 2014 at 8:45am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:42am:
Wankers

ALL PROMISED at election time and now you sour grapes are calling it lies. No wonder you are not taken serious you astroturf pieces of shite



He promised to injure and kill refugees whilst held in detention? That's just horrible!

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 14th, 2014 at 8:46am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 8:45am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 7:42am:
Wankers

ALL PROMISED at election time and now you sour grapes are calling it lies. No wonder you are not taken serious you astroturf pieces of shite



He promised to injure and kill refugees whilst held in detention? That's just horrible!

The first word for you lot holds true

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 14th, 2014 at 10:53am

woody2014 wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 8:23am:

Kat wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:33am:
There's nothing in my area (safe Lib/Nat seat) so will
probably head to either Sydney or Can't-berra.

These grubs MUST be stopped.



;D ;D ;D ;D  BEST Jump on a PUSS BIKE AND PEDAL   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Bite me!

Title: Re: March in March
Post by The Grappler 2014 on Mar 14th, 2014 at 11:19am

Sparky wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:16am:
These people obviously don't support a democratically elected government that doesn't do what they want. The more they carry on the more the Australian people will turn away from them.


You miss the issue trembling in your cellar and hoping for the Commissars to miss you when they seek out the politically unclean for the gulag or the wall.  Foreigners from certain areas always have that problem.

Her in democratic Australia we ONLY march when the issues are hard and real... and I remind you we've marched against Labor in the past as well.... and those who 'turn away' will end up just as far down the sewer as everyone else unless they do something and say NO for a change.

Australia - love it or leave it!  And love the inherited right of its people to protest peacefully.

We don't do this here - yet:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUzKh5bX0tg


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 14th, 2014 at 11:20am
Where in Brisbane is this march happening? I want to go and heckle.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 15th, 2014 at 7:14pm
Did anyone see any MSM coverage of this?

I haven't.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by The Grappler 2014 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 1:24am

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 14th, 2014 at 11:20am:
Where in Brisbane is this march happening? I want to go and heckle.


That would be fun:-

News headline - breaking on KRUD - YOUR News Network!...

"A Brisbane man has been ritually slaughtered and used as a sheild against riot police in Brisbane... it appears he heckled a peaceful demonstration and the result was that the peaceful demonstrators grabbed him and skinned him alive.... then used his body as a shield against rubber bullets"....

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Psycho analist on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:20am
A few rent-a-crowd crybabies from Getup! viz about 25 peoples who are in desperate need for my couch and reports on zee ABC about zee turn out of thousands and a single photo of Margo Kingston valking down zee street by herself vith no hint of embarrassment. Zat it zee stock operation of zee left.

It is like zay haz no shame about how embarrassing zey are to zemthelves. Zey zink zat ignoring zere patheticness it vill make zem more valid, but zey end up a laughing stock.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Winston Smith on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:56am

Psycho analist wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:20am:
A few rent-a-crowd crybabies from Getup! viz about 25 peoples who are in desperate need for my couch and reports on zee ABC about zee turn out of thousands and a single photo of Margo Kingston valking down zee street by herself vith no hint of embarrassment. Zat it zee stock operation of zee left.

It is like zay haz no shame about how embarrassing zey are to zemthelves. Zey zink zat ignoring zere patheticness it vill make zem more valid, but zey end up a laughing stock.


Interesting story, what happened next? :)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:44am

Kat wrote on Mar 15th, 2014 at 7:14pm:
Did anyone see any MSM coverage of this?

I haven't.


They value their funding too much. Abbott doesn't take kindly to truth in media, see ABC for example.

I'm going to a meeting today, expecting a huge turn out, but will wait and see.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:03am
Did anyone see anyone marching??? ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:32am

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:03am:
Did anyone see anyone marching??? ;D ;D ;D


Yes, although I was not in front of my keyboard at the time...

Get out more.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:35am

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:32am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:03am:
Did anyone see anyone marching??? ;D ;D ;D


Yes, although I was not in front of my keyboard at the time...

Get out more.

Not spent much time in front of it lately...  still no marches crossed my path and I am not dumb enough to actually march for such a moronic cause.  you?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by woody2013 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:46am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:44am:

Kat wrote on Mar 15th, 2014 at 7:14pm:
Did anyone see any MSM coverage of this?

I haven't.


They value their funding too much. Abbott doesn't take kindly to truth in media, see ABC for example.

I'm going to a meeting today, expecting a huge turn out, but will wait and see.


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  IDIOT  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:51am
sounds like it was a bit of a dud.  no reports of any marches anywhere nevermind the massed millions.

perhaps it was the generalist 'we hate abbott' that wasn't much of a cause.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by woody2013 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:05am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:51am:
sounds like it was a bit of a dud.  no reports of any marches anywhere nevermind the massed millions.

perhaps it was the generalist 'we hate abbott' that wasn't much of a cause.

:D :D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:09am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:51am:
sounds like it was a bit of a dud.  no reports of any marches anywhere nevermind the massed millions.

perhaps it was the generalist 'we hate abbott' that wasn't much of a cause.


Well, no.

The videos and pics posted on their Farce-book page suggest otherwise.

Videos that were sent to the MSM but were ignored.

The marchers weren't 'ferals' or 'rent-a-crowd' either.

And there have been reports that people who rang the MSM to ask why the
marches weren't being covered, were hung-up-on.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:48am
The reason no body saw anything is because the march is TODAY in the major cities, yesterday was just regional areas like Dawin and other regional towns. The major town
closest to where I live had thousands out. I must say I was  interested to see some of the banners though, it looked like everything that Abbott has pissed off the voters about was being protested about. CSG, gay marriage, workers rights, penalty rates, saw them all, not good news for Abbott. The protest I saw yesterday was the biggest I have seen since the illegal invasion of Iraq  and that was in a National party electorate, don't think he'll be around long.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by crocodile on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:59am
It was probably mistaken for the much larger and far more important St Patrick's Day parade. The green attire would have them confused.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by woody2013 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:08am

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:48am:
The reason no body saw anything is because the march is TODAY in the major cities, yesterday was just regional areas like Dawin and other regional towns. The major town
closest to where I live had thousands out. I must say I was  interested to see some of the banners though, it looked like everything that Abbott has pissed off the voters about was being protested about. CSG, gay marriage, workers rights, penalty rates, saw them all, not good news for Abbott. The protest I saw yesterday was the biggest I have seen since the illegal invasion of Iraq  and that was in a National party electorate, don't think he'll be around long.


What Town    or  City   was that  skippy ?   ;)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by cods on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:14am

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:03am:
Did anyone see anyone marching??? ;D ;D ;D




I would have thought Canberra would be the place to be...but its awful quiet..havent heard of any road blocks.  or megaphones...maybe its a silent protest.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by cods on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:15am

woody2014 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:08am:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:48am:
The reason no body saw anything is because the march is TODAY in the major cities, yesterday was just regional areas like Dawin and other regional towns. The major town
closest to where I live had thousands out. I must say I was  interested to see some of the banners though, it looked like everything that Abbott has pissed off the voters about was being protested about. CSG, gay marriage, workers rights, penalty rates, saw them all, not good news for Abbott. The protest I saw yesterday was the biggest I have seen since the illegal invasion of Iraq  and that was in a National party electorate, don't think he'll be around long.


What Town    or  City   was that  skippy ?   ;)




GAY MARRIAGE now theres a biggy on everyones lips.. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:15am

woody2014 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:08am:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:48am:
The reason no body saw anything is because the march is TODAY in the major cities, yesterday was just regional areas like Dawin and other regional towns. The major town
closest to where I live had thousands out. I must say I was  interested to see some of the banners though, it looked like everything that Abbott has pissed off the voters about was being protested about. CSG, gay marriage, workers rights, penalty rates, saw them all, not good news for Abbott. The protest I saw yesterday was the biggest I have seen since the illegal invasion of Iraq  and that was in a National party electorate, don't think he'll be around long.


What Town    or  City   was that  skippy ?   ;)

Lismore. :)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:20am

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:48am:
The reason no body saw anything is because the march is TODAY in the major cities, yesterday was just regional areas like Dawin and other regional towns. The major town
closest to where I live had thousands out. I must say I was  interested to see some of the banners though, it looked like everything that Abbott has pissed off the voters about was being protested about. CSG, gay marriage, workers rights, penalty rates, saw them all, not good news for Abbott. The protest I saw yesterday was the biggest I have seen since the illegal invasion of Iraq  and that was in a National party electorate, don't think he'll be around long.

As Aussie is fond of saying....POST A LINK :D ;D :D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:23am

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:20am:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:48am:
The reason no body saw anything is because the march is TODAY in the major cities, yesterday was just regional areas like Dawin and other regional towns. The major town
closest to where I live had thousands out. I must say I was  interested to see some of the banners though, it looked like everything that Abbott has pissed off the voters about was being protested about. CSG, gay marriage, workers rights, penalty rates, saw them all, not good news for Abbott. The protest I saw yesterday was the biggest I have seen since the illegal invasion of Iraq  and that was in a National party electorate, don't think he'll be around long.

As Aussie is fond of saying....POST A LINK :D ;D :D

It was in Lismore, fool, do you think they have news services over the weekend? Talk about dumb. ::)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:24am

cods wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:14am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:03am:
Did anyone see anyone marching??? ;D ;D ;D




I would have thought Canberra would be the place to be...but its awful quiet..havent heard of any road blocks.  or megaphones...maybe its a silent protest.



It's on Monday, but I dare say you would need to rip yourself away from the home office.....to see anything that's going on in the outside world, including Canberra's huge unemployment and homeless situation.

https://www.facebook.com/MarchinMarchCanberra?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:30am

Kat wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:09am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:51am:
sounds like it was a bit of a dud.  no reports of any marches anywhere nevermind the massed millions.

perhaps it was the generalist 'we hate abbott' that wasn't much of a cause.


Well, no.

The videos and pics posted on their Farce-book page suggest otherwise.

Videos that were sent to the MSM but were ignored.

The marchers weren't 'ferals' or 'rent-a-crowd' either.

And there have been reports that people who rang the MSM to ask why the
marches weren't being covered, were hung-up-on.



The march that I am involved in has notified all the local media, waiting to see if any have the guts to turn up AND film.

I'm sure there will plenty of film on independent media though, but neo fascists aren't about to look there, it might upset their sensibilities to see that so many people hate the Abbott government.

NOT IN MY NAME ABBOTT

                                EVERYTHING!

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:35am
It'll be good to get on record who the most politically ignorant, biased, screwed up wankers in Australia are.  Gotta be a very small minority.  ::)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:57am

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:35am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:32am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:03am:
Did anyone see anyone marching??? ;D ;D ;D


Yes, although I was not in front of my keyboard at the time...

Get out more.

Not spent much time in front of it lately...  still no marches crossed my path and I am not dumb enough to actually march for such a moronic cause.  you?


Which specific cause is that you speak of?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:59am

cods wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:15am:
GAY MARRIAGE now theres a biggy on everyones lips.. ;D ;D ;D


Dunno, something just looks wrong with how that is framed...

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:01am

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:57am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:35am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:32am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:03am:
Did anyone see anyone marching??? ;D ;D ;D


Yes, although I was not in front of my keyboard at the time...

Get out more.

Not spent much time in front of it lately...  still no marches crossed my path and I am not dumb enough to actually march for such a moronic cause.  you?


Which specific cause is that you speak of?

The anti-Abbott cause of course don't you know that's what it's all about....  anti-democratic rabble unhappy and revolting.... ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:06am

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:23am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:20am:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:48am:
The reason no body saw anything is because the march is TODAY in the major cities, yesterday was just regional areas like Dawin and other regional towns. The major town
closest to where I live had thousands out. I must say I was  interested to see some of the banners though, it looked like everything that Abbott has pissed off the voters about was being protested about. CSG, gay marriage, workers rights, penalty rates, saw them all, not good news for Abbott. The protest I saw yesterday was the biggest I have seen since the illegal invasion of Iraq  and that was in a National party electorate, don't think he'll be around long.

As Aussie is fond of saying....POST A LINK :D ;D :D

It was in Lismore, fool, do you think they have news services over the weekend? Talk about dumb. ::)



There are plenty of videos and pics on the 'March in March' Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/marchinmarch

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:09am
As usual....  Squippy got nothin' but abuse...  go Conga Boy.  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:13am

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:01am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:57am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:35am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:32am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:03am:
Did anyone see anyone marching??? ;D ;D ;D


Yes, although I was not in front of my keyboard at the time...

Get out more.

Not spent much time in front of it lately...  still no marches crossed my path and I am not dumb enough to actually march for such a moronic cause.  you?


Which specific cause is that you speak of?

The anti-Abbott cause of course don't you know that's what it's all about....  anti-democratic rabble unhappy and revolting.... ;D ;D ;D


Thanks for clarifying.

So in effect, by your own admission, you are not dumb enough to march for that cause, but too ignorant to have researched deeper than ideological one eyed diatribe to actually find out what it was about.

Awesome work.

The stand out best thing about yesterday, in my region at least, was the remarkable cross section of people that turned up. Yes there were some Abbott haters there, well der like there wouldn't be. Unlike the convoy of incompetence though there were myriad issues raised, many to do with the actual system that has been inflicted on us (The Australian population) by self interested politicians of all ilks and the imbeciles who genuinely believe that one team will look after us better than the other. Wake up, Australian politics directly or indirectly looks after big business (yep both sides do ultimately) and politicians. Any crumbs dropped to idiot voters is purely to keep them dumb and voting.

It was refreshing yesterday to be chatting with a Liberal voting local identity who had come to realise that our system is flawed. Yep a relatively staunch lib at the protest that you reckon was simply a Mr Abbott hate fest.

Good work confirming my view on rusted ons...Regardless of their chosen brand.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:22am

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:13am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:01am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:57am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:35am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:32am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:03am:
Did anyone see anyone marching??? ;D ;D ;D


Yes, although I was not in front of my keyboard at the time...

Get out more.

Not spent much time in front of it lately...  still no marches crossed my path and I am not dumb enough to actually march for such a moronic cause.  you?


Which specific cause is that you speak of?

The anti-Abbott cause of course don't you know that's what it's all about....  anti-democratic rabble unhappy and revolting.... ;D ;D ;D


Thanks for clarifying.

So in effect, by your own admission, you are not dumb enough to march for that cause, but too ignorant to have researched deeper than ideological one eyed diatribe to actually find out what it was about.

Awesome work.

The stand out best thing about yesterday, in my region at least, was the remarkable cross section of people that turned up. Yes there were some Abbott haters there, well der like there wouldn't be. Unlike the convoy of incompetence though there were myriad issues raised, many to do with the actual system that has been inflicted on us (The Australian population) by self interested politicians of all ilks and the imbeciles who genuinely believe that one team will look after us better than the other. Wake up, Australian politics directly or indirectly looks after big business (yep both sides do ultimately) and politicians. Any crumbs dropped to idiot voters is purely to keep them dumb and voting.

It was refreshing yesterday to be chatting with a Liberal voting local identity who had come to realise that our system is flawed. Yep a relatively staunch lib at the protest that you reckon was simply a Mr Abbott hate fest.

Good work confirming my view on rusted ons...Regardless of their chosen brand.

Well now you've had your erroneous rant, do you feel better?  justified?   :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D
Perhaps you'd like to link to the advertising that doesn't defame or concentrate on Abbott?  That'd be a change from all that has been presented here so far.  ;D ;D ;D
Ow...  that's gotta hurt....  not sure what the procedure is for gunshot wounds to the foot.  ::)
Oh and your hypocrisy about those older people who protested against a government who lied and betrayed them is mind blowing.  ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:26am

The stand out best thing about yesterday, in my region at least, was the remarkable cross section of people that turned up.

That's right, people from both sides of the fence and those in between.

It's a march to show a vote of "no confidence in the coalition government".

I think that many people will be going to voice their dislike of the political system in general. They want change, they can see the country is heading in the wrong direction, probably hoping that it creates some long term movement for change.

BOTR!!!


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:27am
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D ::)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:30am


Would be nice if the simian heeded the advice.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:42am

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:22am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:13am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:01am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:57am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:35am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:32am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:03am:
Did anyone see anyone marching??? ;D ;D ;D


Yes, although I was not in front of my keyboard at the time...

Get out more.

Not spent much time in front of it lately...  still no marches crossed my path and I am not dumb enough to actually march for such a moronic cause.  you?


Which specific cause is that you speak of?

The anti-Abbott cause of course don't you know that's what it's all about....  anti-democratic rabble unhappy and revolting.... ;D ;D ;D


Thanks for clarifying.

So in effect, by your own admission, you are not dumb enough to march for that cause, but too ignorant to have researched deeper than ideological one eyed diatribe to actually find out what it was about.

Awesome work.

The stand out best thing about yesterday, in my region at least, was the remarkable cross section of people that turned up. Yes there were some Abbott haters there, well der like there wouldn't be. Unlike the convoy of incompetence though there were myriad issues raised, many to do with the actual system that has been inflicted on us (The Australian population) by self interested politicians of all ilks and the imbeciles who genuinely believe that one team will look after us better than the other. Wake up, Australian politics directly or indirectly looks after big business (yep both sides do ultimately) and politicians. Any crumbs dropped to idiot voters is purely to keep them dumb and voting.

It was refreshing yesterday to be chatting with a Liberal voting local identity who had come to realise that our system is flawed. Yep a relatively staunch lib at the protest that you reckon was simply a Mr Abbott hate fest.

Good work confirming my view on rusted ons...Regardless of their chosen brand.

Well now you've had your erroneous rant, do you feel better?  justified?   :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D
Perhaps you'd like to link to the advertising that doesn't defame or concentrate on Abbott?  That'd be a change from all that has been presented here so far.  ;D ;D ;D
Ow...  that's gotta hurt....  not sure what the procedure is for gunshot wounds to the foot.  ::)
Oh and your hypocrisy about those older people who protested against a government who lied and betrayed them is mind blowing.  ::) ::) ::)



Nope, no errors pointed out there, try again.

You have clearly highlighted your myopic view, of itself, hypocritical yet point that to others. Yet another atypical one sided rusted on view. It must truly erk lieberal and lieber supporters when it is highlighted to you how you are so much alike....

Anyway, carry on. Got real life things to do that are far more meaningful than this circle jerk conversation.  :'( :'( :'(

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 16th, 2014 at 1:18pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:15am:

woody2014 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:08am:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:48am:
The reason no body saw anything is because the march is TODAY in the major cities, yesterday was just regional areas like Dawin and other regional towns. The major town
closest to where I live had thousands out. I must say I was  interested to see some of the banners though, it looked like everything that Abbott has pissed off the voters about was being protested about. CSG, gay marriage, workers rights, penalty rates, saw them all, not good news for Abbott. The protest I saw yesterday was the biggest I have seen since the illegal invasion of Iraq  and that was in a National party electorate, don't think he'll be around long.


What Town    or  City   was that  skippy ?   ;)

Lismore. :)


See if you can find yourself in the pics Skip, I found me. They certainly look like a rent a crowd, eh? ::) Estimated at 4-5,000 of 'em!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/March-in-March-Lismore-2014/278626692286751?sk=photos

edit: Here's the photos local photographer David Lowe took.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidlowe1970/sets/72157642378984294/

Title: Re: March in March
Post by LaQuinn on Mar 16th, 2014 at 1:18pm
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2153082/thousands-march-in-newcastle-to-protest-against-abbott-government-photos/?cs=12

So unfortunately my electorate happened to take part in the march. Why are people so damn stupid....

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 16th, 2014 at 1:55pm

LaQuinn wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 1:18pm:
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2153082/thousands-march-in-newcastle-to-protest-against-abbott-government-photos/?cs=12

So unfortunately my electorate happened to take part in the march. Why are people so damn stupid....


The stupid ones didn't take part.

Probably too busy on the net, bagging those who did care enough to take action.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:12pm
Did they get time and a half dole payment for marching on a Sat? ;)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:16pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:12pm:
Did they get time and a half dole payment for marching on a Sat? ;)



Have you ever made a post that doesn't contain an offensive slur against the unemployed?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Psycho analist on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:18pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:12pm:
Did they get time and a half dole payment for marching on a Sat? ;)


Zey should have haz it on Monday so zee dole bludgers didnt haz to interrupt zere weekend.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by woody2013 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:19pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:12pm:
Did they get time and a half dole payment for marching on a Sat? ;)



Swaggie I want you to stop offending these *&^%$&*

OK   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:44pm

Kat wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:12pm:
Did they get time and a half dole payment for marching on a Sat? ;)



Have you ever made a post that doesn't contain an offensive slur against the unemployed?


Well ........, I made a nice sign post once but some dole bludger knocked it off to fuel his barbie..... :(

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:58pm
Picture I took of part of the Adelaide MiM

http://tinyurl.com/mssss2k

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 16th, 2014 at 3:04pm
Thousands drawn to Australia-wide protests against government policies (ABC Online)

Quote:
Thousands of Australians have taken to the streets this weekend to protest against the Federal Government's policies.

The March in March protests are being held in the CBDs of capital cities as well as in smaller regional centres across the states and territories.

Protesters waving placards are voicing their anger on a wide range of policy issues, including climate change, the treatment of asylum seekers, marriage equality, the tax system and media ownership.

The March in March event started on Saturday and will continue until Monday, when protesters deliver a motion of no confidence to Parliament House in Canberra.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott was asked about the protests during a press conference with NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell, in which they announced a green light for Sydney's NorthConnex tunnel.

"My understanding is that the only big rally in Sydney is the St Patrick's Day parade," Mr Abbott said.

"That is the big event in Sydney today. I wish all of them well.

"If their parade is rained on, there is always some Guinness available around the city."

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten distanced himself from the rally, telling reporters the Labor Party is not formally involved.

"But I do get that people want to express their views. It's a free country," he said.


Protesters march in March across Australia (storify.com)

Quote:
Australians protest in March in March rallies across Australia. Protesters are angry with policies of conservative governments, including the treatment of asylum seekers, climate change and the tax system.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm

Bam wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 3:04pm:
Thousands drawn to Australia-wide protests against government policies (ABC Online)

Quote:
Thousands of Australians have taken to the streets this weekend to protest against the Federal Government's policies.

The March in March protests are being held in the CBDs of capital cities as well as in smaller regional centres across the states and territories.

Protesters waving placards are voicing their anger on a wide range of policy issues, including climate change, the treatment of asylum seekers, marriage equality, the tax system and media ownership.

The March in March event started on Saturday and will continue until Monday, when protesters deliver a motion of no confidence to Parliament House in Canberra.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott was asked about the protests during a press conference with NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell, in which they announced a green light for Sydney's NorthConnex tunnel.

"My understanding is that the only big rally in Sydney is the St Patrick's Day parade," Mr Abbott said.

"That is the big event in Sydney today. I wish all of them well.

"If their parade is rained on, there is always some Guinness available around the city."

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten distanced himself from the rally, telling reporters the Labor Party is not formally involved.

"But I do get that people want to express their views. It's a free country," he said.


Protesters march in March across Australia (storify.com)
[quote]Australians protest in March in March rallies across Australia. Protesters are angry with policies of conservative governments, including the treatment of asylum seekers, climate change and the tax system.

[/quote]

even labor were embarrassed at this stupid stunt which was so small, no one even reported it.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Psycho analist on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:44pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 2:58pm:
Picture I took of part of the Adelaide MiM


Zat is good yah, Mr Monkey face? Take big picture of one poster because zee crowd vos so small.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:
even labor were embarrassed at this stupid stunt which was so small, no one even reported it.

Why are you lying?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Psycho analist on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:56pm

Bam wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:
even labor were embarrassed at this stupid stunt which was so small, no one even reported it.

Why are you lying?

It vosnt even mentioned on Insiders zis morning by Mr Communist Scrotum Face.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:57pm

Bam wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:
even labor were embarrassed at this stupid stunt which was so small, no one even reported it.

Why are you lying?


didn't see it, didn't read about it and it is on precisely NO ONEs agenda. it was a pitifully small march with no agenda other than to hat Abbott and it was such an embarrassment even the labor party - which usually joins this type of rubbish - refused to be part.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:58pm

Bam wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:
even labor were embarrassed at this stupid stunt which was so small, no one even reported it.

Why are you lying?



longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:
Opposition Leader [Electricity] Bill Shorten distanced himself from the rally, telling reporters the Labor Party is not formally involved.


Y-R-U?   :D



Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:14pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:58pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:
even labor were embarrassed at this stupid stunt which was so small, no one even reported it.

Why are you lying?



longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:
Opposition Leader [Electricity] Bill Shorten distanced himself from the rally, telling reporters the Labor Party is not formally involved.


Y-R-U?   :D


Electricity Bill would show up at the opening of a letter but even he declined to be involved with this embarrassment.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:31pm
Marches - be they right or left - tend to attract an array of oddballs with nothing else significant in their life.

I'd sooner play a round of golf.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 3:04pm:
Thousands drawn to Australia-wide protests against government policies (ABC Online)

Quote:
Thousands of Australians have taken to the streets this weekend to protest against the Federal Government's policies.

The March in March protests are being held in the CBDs of capital cities as well as in smaller regional centres across the states and territories.

Protesters waving placards are voicing their anger on a wide range of policy issues, including climate change, the treatment of asylum seekers, marriage equality, the tax system and media ownership.

The March in March event started on Saturday and will continue until Monday, when protesters deliver a motion of no confidence to Parliament House in Canberra.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott was asked about the protests during a press conference with NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell, in which they announced a green light for Sydney's NorthConnex tunnel.

"My understanding is that the only big rally in Sydney is the St Patrick's Day parade," Mr Abbott said.

"That is the big event in Sydney today. I wish all of them well.

"If their parade is rained on, there is always some Guinness available around the city."

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten distanced himself from the rally, telling reporters the Labor Party is not formally involved.

"But I do get that people want to express their views. It's a free country," he said.


Protesters march in March across Australia (storify.com)
[quote]Australians protest in March in March rallies across Australia. Protesters are angry with policies of conservative governments, including the treatment of asylum seekers, climate change and the tax system.


even labor were embarrassed at this stupid stunt which was so small, no one even reported it.[/quote]
So small ten percent of the population took part in some cities. You must be smarting that Abbott is so hated he is stuck on 46/54 TPP for over five months now. Not long now my precious, and this piece of crap will be wiped from our radars as a blip of a hiccup.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:37pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 3:04pm:
Thousands drawn to Australia-wide protests against government policies (ABC Online)

Quote:
Thousands of Australians have taken to the streets this weekend to protest against the Federal Government's policies.

The March in March protests are being held in the CBDs of capital cities as well as in smaller regional centres across the states and territories.

Protesters waving placards are voicing their anger on a wide range of policy issues, including climate change, the treatment of asylum seekers, marriage equality, the tax system and media ownership.

The March in March event started on Saturday and will continue until Monday, when protesters deliver a motion of no confidence to Parliament House in Canberra.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott was asked about the protests during a press conference with NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell, in which they announced a green light for Sydney's NorthConnex tunnel.

"My understanding is that the only big rally in Sydney is the St Patrick's Day parade," Mr Abbott said.

"That is the big event in Sydney today. I wish all of them well.

"If their parade is rained on, there is always some Guinness available around the city."

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten distanced himself from the rally, telling reporters the Labor Party is not formally involved.

"But I do get that people want to express their views. It's a free country," he said.


Protesters march in March across Australia (storify.com)
[quote]Australians protest in March in March rallies across Australia. Protesters are angry with policies of conservative governments, including the treatment of asylum seekers, climate change and the tax system.


even labor were embarrassed at this stupid stunt which was so small, no one even reported it.

So small ten percent of the population took part in some cities. You must be smarting that Abbott is so hated he is stuck on 46/54 TPP for over five months now. Not long now my precious, and this piece of crap will be wiped from our radars as a blip of a hiccup.[/quote]

10%????  I must have missed the 150,000 marchers in my city.

as usual, you just make it up as you go along.  it was less that 0.01%

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 3:04pm:
Thousands drawn to Australia-wide protests against government policies (ABC Online)

Quote:
Thousands of Australians have taken to the streets this weekend to protest against the Federal Government's policies.

The March in March protests are being held in the CBDs of capital cities as well as in smaller regional centres across the states and territories.

Protesters waving placards are voicing their anger on a wide range of policy issues, including climate change, the treatment of asylum seekers, marriage equality, the tax system and media ownership.

The March in March event started on Saturday and will continue until Monday, when protesters deliver a motion of no confidence to Parliament House in Canberra.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott was asked about the protests during a press conference with NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell, in which they announced a green light for Sydney's NorthConnex tunnel.

"My understanding is that the only big rally in Sydney is the St Patrick's Day parade," Mr Abbott said.

"That is the big event in Sydney today. I wish all of them well.

"If their parade is rained on, there is always some Guinness available around the city."

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten distanced himself from the rally, telling reporters the Labor Party is not formally involved.

"But I do get that people want to express their views. It's a free country," he said.


Protesters march in March across Australia (storify.com)
[quote]Australians protest in March in March rallies across Australia. Protesters are angry with policies of conservative governments, including the treatment of asylum seekers, climate change and the tax system.


even labor were embarrassed at this stupid stunt which was so small, no one even reported it.

So small ten percent of the population took part in some cities. You must be smarting that Abbott is so hated he is stuck on 46/54 TPP for over five months now. Not long now my precious, and this piece of crap will be wiped from our radars as a blip of a hiccup.


10%????  I must have missed the 150,000 marchers in my city.

as usual, you just make it up as you go along.  it was less that 0.01%[/quote]
You're a failure in everything aren't you? Lismore population 45 thousand, at the march yesterday, 4 to 5 thousand, no wonder you support the women basher, both losers.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Karnal on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:43pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:31pm:
Marches - be they right or left - tend to attract an array of oddballs with nothing else significant in their life.

I'd sooner play a round of golf.


Yes, but you live in England and have nothing to do with Australia or Australian politics.

Why would you ever march, vote, fight, or even bother?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:45pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 3:04pm:
Thousands drawn to Australia-wide protests against government policies (ABC Online)

Quote:
Thousands of Australians have taken to the streets this weekend to protest against the Federal Government's policies.

The March in March protests are being held in the CBDs of capital cities as well as in smaller regional centres across the states and territories.

Protesters waving placards are voicing their anger on a wide range of policy issues, including climate change, the treatment of asylum seekers, marriage equality, the tax system and media ownership.

The March in March event started on Saturday and will continue until Monday, when protesters deliver a motion of no confidence to Parliament House in Canberra.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott was asked about the protests during a press conference with NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell, in which they announced a green light for Sydney's NorthConnex tunnel.

"My understanding is that the only big rally in Sydney is the St Patrick's Day parade," Mr Abbott said.

"That is the big event in Sydney today. I wish all of them well.

"If their parade is rained on, there is always some Guinness available around the city."

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten distanced himself from the rally, telling reporters the Labor Party is not formally involved.

"But I do get that people want to express their views. It's a free country," he said.


Protesters march in March across Australia (storify.com)
[quote]Australians protest in March in March rallies across Australia. Protesters are angry with policies of conservative governments, including the treatment of asylum seekers, climate change and the tax system.


even labor were embarrassed at this stupid stunt which was so small, no one even reported it.

So small ten percent of the population took part in some cities. You must be smarting that Abbott is so hated he is stuck on 46/54 TPP for over five months now. Not long now my precious, and this piece of crap will be wiped from our radars as a blip of a hiccup.


10%????  I must have missed the 150,000 marchers in my city.

as usual, you just make it up as you go along.  it was less that 0.01%

You're a failure in everything aren't you? Lismore population 45 thousand, at the march yesterday, 4 to 5 thousand, no wonder you support the women basher, both losers.[/quote]

counted by whom?  the local loony abbot-hating group?  how often have we seen protest marches where the supposed numbers vary by as much as 300%???  all the time.

I would guess 400 people at most counted by the people who have a vested interest to claim more. 

But good to see you remain the same ugly bitter and twisted hater of just about everybody - even the party you support.

no wonder u r single.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Karnal on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:46pm
Matty went on the march, Skippy. He met Pauline. He said it was one of the best days of his life.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:49pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney pr Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


it was so 'important' that no pollies attended and about the same media.  and a handful of renatacrowd losers.  even our own georgeh blessed us with his photo of the Adelaide event - a single poster carried by a single person.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:53pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:45pm:
counted by whom?  the local loony abbot-hating group?  how often have we seen protest marches where the supposed numbers vary by as much as 300%???  all the time.

I would guess 400 people at most counted by the people who have a vested interest to claim more. 

But good to see you remain the same ugly bitter and twisted hater of just about everybody - even the party you support.

no wonder u r single.


In the post where I put links to pictures a couple of pages back, so you could actually look at the people and see they were by far normal everyday people, from grandparents to kids, I posted the 4-5,000 estimate. Some estimates were up to 7,000 but I thought I'd go with the lowest estimate to short circuit those sorts of claims and they are very likely to be correct, I was there.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:49pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney pr Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


it was so 'important' that no pollies attended and about the same media.  and a handful of renatacrowd losers.  even our own georgeh blessed us with his photo of the Adelaide event - a single poster carried by a single person.


GeorgeH attended?

Judging on his post history, that sounds about right.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:55pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:45pm:
counted by whom?  the local loony abbot-hating group?  how often have we seen protest marches where the supposed numbers vary by as much as 300%???  all the time.

I would guess 400 people at most counted by the people who have a vested interest to claim more. 

But good to see you remain the same ugly bitter and twisted hater of just about everybody - even the party you support.

no wonder u r single.


In the post where I put links to pictures a couple of pages back, so you could actually look at the people and see they were by far normal everyday people, from Grandparents to kids, I posted the 4-5,000 estimate. Some estimates were up to 7,000 but I thought I'd go with the lowest estimate to short circuit those sorts of claims and they are very likely to be correct, I was there.


those 'estimates' are probably the most unreliable estimate ever. no, I don't believe your figure is anywhere even close to accurate as they never are.  and lefties do have an amazing ability to add a zero onto the end of such things.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:45pm:
counted by whom?  the local loony abbot-hating group?  how often have we seen protest marches where the supposed numbers vary by as much as 300%???  all the time.

I would guess 400 people at most counted by the people who have a vested interest to claim more. 

But good to see you remain the same ugly bitter and twisted hater of just about everybody - even the party you support.

no wonder u r single.


In the post where I put links to pictures a couple of pages back, so you could actually look at the people and see they were by far normal everyday people, from grandparents to kids, I posted the 4-5,000 estimate. Some estimates were up to 7,000 but I thought I'd go with the lowest estimate to short circuit those sorts of claims and they are very likely to be correct, I was there.


Did you seriously have nothing else better to do?

I seriously can't fathom ever going along to a march.

I once got caught up in a Greens one in Melbourne about refugees. Ended up being yelled at by some oddball middle aged woman with dyed pink hair. Admittedly I was a tad rude myself about what a waste of time it all was and that they were holding up the traffic and I wanted a cab....

Seriously though, marches.

What a waste of everyone's time.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:59pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:45pm:
counted by whom?  the local loony abbot-hating group?  how often have we seen protest marches where the supposed numbers vary by as much as 300%???  all the time.

I would guess 400 people at most counted by the people who have a vested interest to claim more. 

But good to see you remain the same ugly bitter and twisted hater of just about everybody - even the party you support.

no wonder u r single.


In the post where I put links to pictures a couple of pages back, so you could actually look at the people and see they were by far normal everyday people, from grandparents to kids, I posted the 4-5,000 estimate. Some estimates were up to 7,000 but I thought I'd go with the lowest estimate to short circuit those sorts of claims and they are very likely to be correct, I was there.


Did you seriously have nothing else better to do?

I seriously can't fathom ever going along to a march.

I once got caught up in a Greens one in Melbourne about refugees. Ended up being yelled at by some oddball middle aged woman with dyed pink hair. Admittedly I was a tad rude myself about what a waste of time it all was and that they were holding up the traffic and I wanted a cab....

Seriously though, marches.

What a waste of everyone's time.


No...

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:00pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.



You like the energy it brings though eh?

Amazing what a bit of NIMBY does eh?

By the way the leakage rate of the data we have of the last 18 months is 20% lower than regular exploration.

it's a load of bollocks your complaints.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:03pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.



You like the energy it brings though eh?

Amazing what a bit of NIMBY does eh?

By the way the leakage rate of the data we have of the last 18 months is 20% lower than regular exploration.

it's a load of bollocks your complaints.


I don't use gas and I pay a premium to the electricity company for green generated electricity. ;)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:04pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.



You like the energy it brings though eh?

Amazing what a bit of NIMBY does eh?

By the way the leakage rate of the data we have of the last 18 months is 20% lower than regular exploration.

it's a load of bollocks your complaints.


I don't use gas and I pay a premium to the electricity company for green generated electricity. ;)


"Green Generated Premiums" - I am sure you really know how that revenue is allocated right within the company structure.

Much like the "Green offset" you pay to the airlines.....

;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:05pm
Then again down in Australia, you do love a bit of feel-good premium paying don't you??

In the regular world, we pay the cheapest we can.

May explain why the cost of living is so much lower elsewhere? Just a thought.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:09pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.



You like the energy it brings though eh?

Amazing what a bit of NIMBY does eh?

By the way the leakage rate of the data we have of the last 18 months is 20% lower than regular exploration.

it's a load of bollocks your complaints.


I don't use gas and I pay a premium to the electricity company for green generated electricity. ;)


"Green Generated Premiums" - I am sure you really know how that revenue is allocated right within the company structure.

Much like the "Green offset" you pay to the airlines.....

;D


If only sends a signal that people are happy to pay for renewables, I'm happy.
Anyway, who gives a toss about Lismore? Companies like yours, I wish they didn't but there you have it.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:10pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.


and CSG has what exactly to do with the 'hate abbott' march???  Abbott didn't start CSG nor has he changed anything.

the loony left complains about everything and does nothing themselves.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:13pm
just a point of order on my company, but I am pretty sure we aren't doing anything in that region.

If we are, it'd just be providing capital as part of a JV.

You got the wrong man, guvnor.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:13pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.



You like the energy it brings though eh?

Amazing what a bit of NIMBY does eh?

By the way the leakage rate of the data we have of the last 18 months is 20% lower than regular exploration.

it's a load of bollocks your complaints.


I don't use gas and I pay a premium to the electricity company for green generated electricity. ;)


what a mug... you think the power company sends you 'green energy'???  they sold that con to mugs just like you.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:15pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.



You like the energy it brings though eh?

Amazing what a bit of NIMBY does eh?

By the way the leakage rate of the data we have of the last 18 months is 20% lower than regular exploration.

it's a load of bollocks your complaints.


I don't use gas and I pay a premium to the electricity company for green generated electricity. ;)


"Green Generated Premiums" - I am sure you really know how that revenue is allocated right within the company structure.

Much like the "Green offset" you pay to the airlines.....

;D


If only sends a signal that people are happy to pay for renewables, I'm happy.
Anyway, who gives a toss about Lismore? Companies like yours, I wish they didn't but there you have it.


I would be surprised if your 'premium' even makes a metric in the revenue analyses.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Psycho analist on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:16pm
He pays zat little bit extra and zee rest who don't want it subsidize it for him.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:18pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:13pm:
just a point of order on my company, but I am pretty sure we aren't doing anything in that region.

If we are, it'd just be providing capital as part of a JV.

You got the wrong man, guvnor.


I said companies like yours, you know that means.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.


and CSG has what exactly to do with the 'hate abbott' march???  Abbott didn't start CSG nor has he changed anything.

the loony left complains about everything and does nothing themselves.


It was not just a hate Abbott march here. Most were anti CSG. Not everything is about Abbott.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:23pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.


and CSG has what exactly to do with the 'hate abbott' march???  Abbott didn't start CSG nor has he changed anything.

the loony left complains about everything and does nothing themselves.


It was not just a hate Abbott march here. Most were anti CSG. Not everything is about Abbott.


so it wasn't really a MiM march at all but rather a CSG one??  thanks for torpedoing your own argument.

you lefties are not all that bright then are you?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:27pm
Ohhhh there was one in Townsville.

i'll see if my father in law went, I know he just loves the sort of people who turn out for demos etc.

They may have got at least 1,000 people. Groundswell of opinion you know. Australia must have stopped operating today.

Was it a bit like Dr King's march on Washington?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.


and CSG has what exactly to do with the 'hate abbott' march???  Abbott didn't start CSG nor has he changed anything.

the loony left complains about everything and does nothing themselves.


It was not just a hate Abbott march here. Most were anti CSG. Not everything is about Abbott.


so it wasn't really a MiM march at all but rather a CSG one??  thanks for torpedoing your own argument.

you lefties are not all that bright then are you?


Well it was a MiM, it is March after all, now who is looking less than bright? It was a non-specific march for people to show their displeasure, whatever that may be. There were people against the Barrier Reef dredging, CSG and a range of other issues. Perhaps you could go look at the images and see if you can discern the range, see if it was a one issue march..


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:29pm
I would have gone if I could.

I wasn't happy that England weren't seeded in the world cup draw meaning we end up in the same group as Italy and Uruguay.

Seeing as we can all march about something different....

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:30pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.


and CSG has what exactly to do with the 'hate abbott' march???  Abbott didn't start CSG nor has he changed anything.

the loony left complains about everything and does nothing themselves.


It was not just a hate Abbott march here. Most were anti CSG. Not everything is about Abbott.


so it wasn't really a MiM march at all but rather a CSG one??  thanks for torpedoing your own argument.

you lefties are not all that bright then are you?


Well it was a MiM, it is March after all, now who is looking less than bright? It was a non-specific march for people to show their displeasure, whatever that may be. There were people against the Barrier Reef dredging, CSG and a range of other issues. Perhaps you could go look at the images and see if you can discern the range, see if it was a one issue march..



all you are doing is digging yourself a little deeper.  the 'I hate abbott' theme was pitiful at best and in the case of Lismore, nothing to do with it at all so why try and connect it?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:45pm:
counted by whom?  the local loony abbot-hating group?  how often have we seen protest marches where the supposed numbers vary by as much as 300%???  all the time.

I would guess 400 people at most counted by the people who have a vested interest to claim more. 

But good to see you remain the same ugly bitter and twisted hater of just about everybody - even the party you support.

no wonder u r single.


In the post where I put links to pictures a couple of pages back, so you could actually look at the people and see they were by far normal everyday people, from Grandparents to kids, I posted the 4-5,000 estimate. Some estimates were up to 7,000 but I thought I'd go with the lowest estimate to short circuit those sorts of claims and they are very likely to be correct, I was there.


those 'estimates' are probably the most unreliable estimate ever. no, I don't believe your figure is anywhere even close to accurate as they never are.  and lefties do have an amazing ability to add a zero onto the end of such things.

I love longliars denial, it will make it so much better when I rub his nose in the failure that is the women bashers government. 46/54 TPP for OVER five months,ROTFLMAO. ;D ;D
I can back Setanta too, I was there, plenty of mainstream people hate Abbott! I love it! keep away from the razor blades longliar.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:38pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
You're a failure in everything aren't you? Lismore population 45 thousand, at the march yesterday, 4 to 5 thousand, no wonder you support the women basher, both losers.



Lismore, hehe  :D

I would say that those 4-5,000 would be from the outlying areas; you know, where all the hippies and drugos are from. 

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:39pm
Longliar mistakes us for people that care about his loony opinion. :D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:39pm
In all honesty I don't understand this near on pathological obsession that some - not just on here - have about Tony Abbott.

I must be one of the only blokes that don't actually have that much of an opinion either way about the guy.

He seems to have traditional values - most of which I share - but he certainly doesn't come off as some kind of far right nutjob people would make out.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:40pm

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
You're a failure in everything aren't you? Lismore population 45 thousand, at the march yesterday, 4 to 5 thousand, no wonder you support the women basher, both losers.



Lismore, hehe  :D

I would say that those 4-5,000 would be from the outlying areas; you know, where all the hippies and drugos are from. 


I had to go to Google maps to see where it was.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:41pm

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
You're a failure in everything aren't you? Lismore population 45 thousand, at the march yesterday, 4 to 5 thousand, no wonder you support the women basher, both losers.



Lismore, hehe  :D

I would say that those 4-5,000 would be from the outlying areas; you know, where all the hippies and drugos are from. 


that would be right.

abbott is doing very well and will win in 2016 against a labor party with a Carbon Tax policy that they can not change even if they want to.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:41pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.


and CSG has what exactly to do with the 'hate abbott' march???  Abbott didn't start CSG nor has he changed anything.

the loony left complains about everything and does nothing themselves.


It was not just a hate Abbott march here. Most were anti CSG. Not everything is about Abbott.


And this is exactly what is wrong with this whole stupid day. People with all kinds of issues having a complaint when little of it is about anything Abbott or this government have done. Most of the people there probably don't even agree with most of the other nutters complaining. Yet, the whole thing is being sold as anti abbott events.

Protest work and make sense when they are about a single issue and are about a local issue. This mixed bag of crying over different things all over the nation is a joke. There are over 23 million people in Australia. When 12 million of them take to the streets over a single issue there may be something that needs to be done. A few thousand here and there complaining about separate issues means shlt all.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:42pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.


Afraid they might have to get a job and pay some tax instead of living off everyone else huh?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:47pm

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
You're a failure in everything aren't you? Lismore population 45 thousand, at the march yesterday, 4 to 5 thousand, no wonder you support the women basher, both losers.



Lismore, hehe  :D

I would say that those 4-5,000 would be from the outlying areas; you know, where all the hippies and drugos are from. 

. Druggies, you one are you? Or is it your  neighbour? .because one in five Aussies partake in da weed bro,and a much larger percentage have in the past. It must suck to be such a douche, but you probably don't even realise.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:48pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
You're a failure in everything aren't you? Lismore population 45 thousand, at the march yesterday, 4 to 5 thousand, no wonder you support the women basher, both losers.



Lismore, hehe  :D

I would say that those 4-5,000 would be from the outlying areas; you know, where all the hippies and drugos are from. 

. Druggies, you one are you? Or is it your  neighbour? .because one in five Aussies partake in da weed bro,and a much larger percentage have in the past. It must suck to be such a douche, but you probably don't even realise.


Judging on my observation of a weekend in Byron Bay, I reckon I know where all those 1 in 5 are.....

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
You're a failure in everything aren't you? Lismore population 45 thousand, at the march yesterday, 4 to 5 thousand, no wonder you support the women basher, both losers.



Lismore, hehe  :D

I would say that those 4-5,000 would be from the outlying areas; you know, where all the hippies and drugos are from. 


that would be right.

abbott is doing very well and will win in 2016 against a labor party with a Carbon Tax policy that they can not change even if they want to.

ROTFLMAO five months and growing of ups to 46/54 TPP and getting worse, love it, can't wait to rub your face in your sooky  snot. ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:51pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:48pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
You're a failure in everything aren't you? Lismore population 45 thousand, at the march yesterday, 4 to 5 thousand, no wonder you support the women basher, both losers.



Lismore, hehe  :D

I would say that those 4-5,000 would be from the outlying areas; you know, where all the hippies and drugos are from. 

. Druggies, you one are you? Or is it your  neighbour? .because one in five Aussies partake in da weed bro,and a much larger percentage have in the past. It must suck to be such a douche, but you probably don't even realise.


Judging on my observation of a weekend in Byron Bay, I reckon I know where all those 1 in 5 are.....

Weed is normal, pretending it's not is the lie.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:52pm
Funny you should say that skippy, I am going to Amsterdam this afternoon.

Now there's an entire city that would agree with you.....

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:57pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:52pm:
Funny you should say that skippy, I am going to Amsterdam this afternoon.

Now there's an entire city that would agree with you.....

Mmmm I am envious. ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:30pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
How many were at the march in Sydney or Melbourne?

Forget about Lismore - nobody gives a toss about there.


The CSG industry seems to give a toss about the area. That's what brought out so many people here.


and CSG has what exactly to do with the 'hate abbott' march???  Abbott didn't start CSG nor has he changed anything.

the loony left complains about everything and does nothing themselves.


It was not just a hate Abbott march here. Most were anti CSG. Not everything is about Abbott.


so it wasn't really a MiM march at all but rather a CSG one??  thanks for torpedoing your own argument.

you lefties are not all that bright then are you?


Well it was a MiM, it is March after all, now who is looking less than bright? It was a non-specific march for people to show their displeasure, whatever that may be. There were people against the Barrier Reef dredging, CSG and a range of other issues. Perhaps you could go look at the images and see if you can discern the range, see if it was a one issue march..


all you are doing is digging yourself a little deeper.  the 'I hate abbott' theme was pitiful at best and in the case of Lismore, nothing to do with it at all so why try and connect it?


Why continue that it was all about "I hate Abbott"? One track thought process.

http://www.news.com.au/national/thousands-turn-out-around-australia-for-march-in-march-against-federal-governments-policies/story-fncynjr2-1226856233099

Quote:
THOUSANDS of people have turned out in capital cities across Australia to protest against the Abbott Government’s policies on climate change, asylum seekers, marriage equality, education funding, indigenous rights and more.
The grassroots March in March movement, which claimed to be a nonpartisan peaceful protest, was organised largely through social media.
In Melbourne, parents, students, environmentalists, refugee supporters, cab drivers, teachers and children gathered in the heart of the city to tell the federal government they are not happy.
The Melbourne chapter of the nationwide March in March featured speeches on indigenous rights, education funding and university cuts.


You just can't handle people disagreeing with your hero Bigears, eh Noddy? See that, no csg mentioned there, local issues that affect the people is what it was about. Abbott is the leader of the govt that is making the decisions, of course he is going to be a focus. Anyway what's the problem with hating on Abbott? You guys did on KRudd and Gillard, is it only allowed to be one way?


Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:11pm
Hicksie is going window shopping. Wonder if Mrs Hicksie is coming along?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:36pm
She is not. This is a work trip. I'm only there until Tues.

I go there often, the window women lose their attraction after a while George.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:38pm
*SIGH!* The same tired old insults and slurs from the same wantonly uninformed
and wilfully ignorant suspects as usual.

I see the old 'ferals', 'druggos' and 'rent-a-crowd' comments from the Right making
their umpteenth pointless return, the point you seem to be deliberately ignoring (yes
Longie, looking at you) is that this is precisely what they weren't.

Nor were they, as Longie seems to believe, all fringe groups or loonies. Just normal
everyday people from all 'sides' of politics, and all walks of life. And having seen the
pics and videos on their Farce-book page and on You-tube, I have to say that the
claims that 'no-one turned up' are patently incorrect.

Maybe if the sheeple on the Right started listening to the message rather than
murdering the messenger, the need to march would probably never have arisen.

I have far more respect for those who got off their asses and marched than those
who now sit here behind their keyboards insulting and denigrating them. I never
expected anything else from you, and I see I wasn't disappointed.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:46pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
She is not. This is a work trip. I'm only there until Tues.

I go there often, the window women lose their attraction after a while George.


Oh, a work trip.
Yes, window women are so down market, Andrei, I'm sure one's taste will move beyond that when one can afford something a little more upmarket. ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:49pm
Yes, yes - the $10,000 a day escort days are around the corner.

No seriously, the RL District is an interesting attraction - if only to be able to pick which are men and which are women in some areas.

But after 2 or 3 trips to the city, its not that interesting anymore.

Awesome city though - if only for the Heineken factory.

Anyway - back to the topic - which was the march about errrrr Abbott, CSG, refugees, today's football results, price of eggs, water drainage etc

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:
even labor were embarrassed at this stupid stunt which was so small, no one even reported it.

Why are you lying?


didn't see it, didn't read about it and it is on precisely NO ONEs agenda. it was a pitifully small march with no agenda other than to hat Abbott and it was such an embarrassment even the labor party - which usually joins this type of rubbish - refused to be part.

You are lying. Again.

And, get this - Your previous post was in response to a reposted MSM article.  ;D  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:08pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:58pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:
even labor were embarrassed at this stupid stunt which was so small, no one even reported it.

Why are you lying?



longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:
Opposition Leader [Electricity] Bill Shorten distanced himself from the rally, telling reporters the Labor Party is not formally involved.


Y-R-U?   :D

Long liar 58 claimed this:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:21pm:
no one even reported it.

That is why he is lying.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:37pm:
as usual, you just make it up as you go along.  it was less that 0.01%

That's rather an audacious remark, coming from the biggest "make it up as he goes along" poster on this forum.

0.01%. Made up!

50,000 turned out in Melbourne. Melbourne doesn't have a population of 500 million people - twice that of Europe.  :D :D :D :D

LW58, caught out lying again.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:20pm

Kat wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 7:38pm:
Maybe if the sheeple on the Right started listening to the message rather than murdering the messenger, the need to march would probably never have arisen.


How many turned out in Hobart? :) ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:50pm
The march of no consequence 2014. Seems there was an offer of a free bag of dope if you walked down the street with a conspirynut placard.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:06pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:50pm:
The march of no consequence 2014. Seems there was an offer of a free bag of dope if you walked down the street with a conspirynut placard.

That doesn't sound very good, imagine how heavy it would be trying to carry you in a bag.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:11pm
Just the march in Gosford had more than the whole Convoy of Incontinence. I was at the Adelaide MiM, plain ordinary folks there, no ferals no rentacrowd.

Seems the rightarded are seriously worried by these marches. Well, I dare say there will be more and they will get bigger. The simian is not popular nor clever and will find things getting more and more difficult.

Nor was today organised by the ALP, good on Shorten not appearing.


Word of advice to the rightarded: get rid of the simian.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:12pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:50pm:
The march of no consequence 2014. Seems there was an offer of a free bag of dope if you walked down the street with a conspirynut placard.

That doesn't sound very good, imagine how heavy it would be trying to carry you in a bag.

It would be a change from carrying kids in bags I guess. An adult is much heavier, but that's not what stops you.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:15pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:11pm:
Just the march in Gosford had more than the whole Convoy of Incontinence. I was at the Adelaide MiM, plain ordinary folks there, no ferals no rentacrowd.

Seems the rightarded are seriously worried by these marches. Well, I dare say there will be more and they will get bigger. The simian is not popular nor clever and will find things getting more and more difficult.

Nor was today organised by the ALP, good on Shorten not appearing.


Word of advice to the rightarded: get rid of the simian.

I don't think anyone is worried about a march of no consequence, let alone it being a march of lefties/conspirynuts. Who gives a bugger what they want. They will get what they want when they have their candidate win an election. Until then they are merely a joke, an annoyance, a cry baby on steroids and a bunch of no consequence marxists.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:24pm
Well, you sure sound worried. Let us face it, the organisation was crap—3 days of marches instead of minor events building to the march, contact, marketing was entirely via social media and yet tens of thousands marched, marched with their own signs, marched quietly, no nuisance.

Contrast that with the Convoy of Incontinence, boosted by 2GB, by JoNova etc yet total numbers less than marched in say Gosford today.

Next march will be bigger, be better organised. Louder.

Voters punished Labor for disunity. Simian and shambles better just govern simply and sensibly and for the mainstream or after the next election the Libs and Nats between them won’t have 10 seats. Better do Gonski and NDIS like they promised and so on.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:31pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:24pm:
Well, you sure sound worried. Let us face it, the organisation was crap—3 days of marches instead of minor events building to the march, contact, marketing was entirely via social media and yet tens of thousands marched, marched with their own signs, marched quietly, no nuisance.

Contrast that with the Convoy of Incontinence, boosted by 2GB, by JoNova etc yet total numbers less than marched in say Gosford today.

Next march will be bigger, be better organised. Louder.

Voters punished Labor for disunity. Simian and shambles better just govern simply and sensibly and for the mainstream or after the next election the Libs and Nats between them won’t have 10 seats. Better do Gonski and NDIS like they promised and so on.

No doubt you wish I was worried or anyone else for that matter. You are sadly mistaken.

March of no consequence 2014, is of no consequence.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:35pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 8:50pm:
The march of no consequence 2014. Seems there was an offer of a free bag of dope if you walked down the street with a conspirynut placard.

That doesn't sound very good, imagine how heavy it would be trying to carry you in a bag.

It would be a change from carrying kids in bags I guess. An adult is much heavier, but that's not what stops you.

Why do you carry kids in a bag?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by miketrees on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:57pm
Now if we just had a sterilization ray gun to use on that marching crowd we could do something for Australia`s future.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:02pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:48pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
You're a failure in everything aren't you? Lismore population 45 thousand, at the march yesterday, 4 to 5 thousand, no wonder you support the women basher, both losers.



Lismore, hehe  :D

I would say that those 4-5,000 would be from the outlying areas; you know, where all the hippies and drugos are from. 

. Druggies, you one are you? Or is it your  neighbour? .because one in five Aussies partake in da weed bro,and a much larger percentage have in the past. It must suck to be such a douche, but you probably don't even realise.


Judging on my observation of a weekend in Byron Bay, I reckon I know where all those 1 in 5 are.....

Weed is normal, pretending it's not is the lie.


and that explains so much about you and your behaviour.  and why you are single.

greenie.

Druggie

same thing

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:03pm

miketrees wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:57pm:
Now if we just had a sterilization ray gun to use on that marching crowd we could do something for Australia`s future.


most valuable comment yet.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:48pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
You're a failure in everything aren't you? Lismore population 45 thousand, at the march yesterday, 4 to 5 thousand, no wonder you support the women basher, both losers.



Lismore, hehe  :D

I would say that those 4-5,000 would be from the outlying areas; you know, where all the hippies and drugos are from. 

. Druggies, you one are you? Or is it your  neighbour? .because one in five Aussies partake in da weed bro,and a much larger percentage have in the past. It must suck to be such a douche, but you probably don't even realise.


Judging on my observation of a weekend in Byron Bay, I reckon I know where all those 1 in 5 are.....

Weed is normal, pretending it's not is the lie.


and that explains so much about you and your behaviour.  and why you are single.

greenie.

Druggie

same thing

Who said I am single,longliar? That's twice you've said that now,you really need to stop projecting your gay fantasies. :-*

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:15pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:11pm:
Just the march in Gosford had more than the whole Convoy of Incontinence. I was at the Adelaide MiM, plain ordinary folks there, no ferals no rentacrowd.

Seems the rightarded are seriously worried by these marches. Well, I dare say there will be more and they will get bigger. The simian is not popular nor clever and will find things getting more and more difficult.

Nor was today organised by the ALP, good on Shorten not appearing.


Word of advice to the rightarded: get rid of the simian.


Notice how most of the comments from the right refuse to acknowledge that the marchers
may just have a point, and merely attempt to denigrate, ridicule and abuse both those who
marched and those who support them. The old 'feral, rent-a-crowd, dole-bludger' crap is so
old and tired if it was a dog it'd have been put-down years ago.

No valid criticism, just the ignorance and bigotry of which the right are masters.

Why they're called the 'right' when they're so often and so obviously wrong is worthy of a
study in and of itself.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:19pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:24pm:
Well, you sure sound worried. Let us face it, the organisation was crap—3 days of marches instead of minor events building to the march, contact, marketing was entirely via social media and yet tens of thousands marched, marched with their own signs, marched quietly, no nuisance.

Contrast that with the Convoy of Incontinence, boosted by 2GB, by JoNova etc yet total numbers less than marched in say Gosford today.

Next march will be bigger, be better organised. Louder.

Voters punished Labor for disunity. Simian and shambles better just govern simply and sensibly and for the mainstream or after the next election the Libs and Nats between them won’t have 10 seats. Better do Gonski and NDIS like they promised and so on.

No doubt you wish I was worried or anyone else for that matter. You are sadly mistaken.

March of no consequence 2014, is of no consequence.



And if you (and certain others here) truly believe that, then you are
every bit the fool most here perceive you to be, and more.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:44pm

Kat wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:11pm:
Just the march in Gosford had more than the whole Convoy of Incontinence. I was at the Adelaide MiM, plain ordinary folks there, no ferals no rentacrowd.

Seems the rightarded are seriously worried by these marches. Well, I dare say there will be more and they will get bigger. The simian is not popular nor clever and will find things getting more and more difficult.

Nor was today organised by the ALP, good on Shorten not appearing.


Word of advice to the rightarded: get rid of the simian.


Notice how most of the comments from the right refuse to acknowledge that the marchers
may just have a point, and merely attempt to denigrate, ridicule and abuse both those who
marched and those who support them. The old 'feral, rent-a-crowd, dole-bludger' crap is so
old and tired if it was a dog it'd have been put-down years ago.

No valid criticism, just the ignorance and bigotry of which the right are masters.

Why they're called the 'right' when they're so often and so obviously wrong is worthy of a
study in and of itself.

lol a point. What like F Tony and F democracy.

Yeh ok. There are plenty more placards to choose from.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:45pm

Kat wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:24pm:
Well, you sure sound worried. Let us face it, the organisation was crap—3 days of marches instead of minor events building to the march, contact, marketing was entirely via social media and yet tens of thousands marched, marched with their own signs, marched quietly, no nuisance.

Contrast that with the Convoy of Incontinence, boosted by 2GB, by JoNova etc yet total numbers less than marched in say Gosford today.

Next march will be bigger, be better organised. Louder.

Voters punished Labor for disunity. Simian and shambles better just govern simply and sensibly and for the mainstream or after the next election the Libs and Nats between them won’t have 10 seats. Better do Gonski and NDIS like they promised and so on.

No doubt you wish I was worried or anyone else for that matter. You are sadly mistaken.

March of no consequence 2014, is of no consequence.



And if you (and certain others here) truly believe that, then you are
every bit the fool most here perceive you to be, and more.

March of no consequence 2014.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:54pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:45pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:24pm:
Well, you sure sound worried. Let us face it, the organisation was crap—3 days of marches instead of minor events building to the march, contact, marketing was entirely via social media and yet tens of thousands marched, marched with their own signs, marched quietly, no nuisance.

Contrast that with the Convoy of Incontinence, boosted by 2GB, by JoNova etc yet total numbers less than marched in say Gosford today.

Next march will be bigger, be better organised. Louder.

Voters punished Labor for disunity. Simian and shambles better just govern simply and sensibly and for the mainstream or after the next election the Libs and Nats between them won’t have 10 seats. Better do Gonski and NDIS like they promised and so on.

No doubt you wish I was worried or anyone else for that matter. You are sadly mistaken.

March of no consequence 2014, is of no consequence.



And if you (and certain others here) truly believe that, then you are
every bit the fool most here perceive you to be, and more.

March of no consequence 2014.



Not bad.

Prove you're a goose in one post, then confirm it with the next.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:57pm

Kat wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:45pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:24pm:
Well, you sure sound worried. Let us face it, the organisation was crap—3 days of marches instead of minor events building to the march, contact, marketing was entirely via social media and yet tens of thousands marched, marched with their own signs, marched quietly, no nuisance.

Contrast that with the Convoy of Incontinence, boosted by 2GB, by JoNova etc yet total numbers less than marched in say Gosford today.

Next march will be bigger, be better organised. Louder.

Voters punished Labor for disunity. Simian and shambles better just govern simply and sensibly and for the mainstream or after the next election the Libs and Nats between them won’t have 10 seats. Better do Gonski and NDIS like they promised and so on.

No doubt you wish I was worried or anyone else for that matter. You are sadly mistaken.

March of no consequence 2014, is of no consequence.



And if you (and certain others here) truly believe that, then you are
every bit the fool most here perceive you to be, and more.

March of no consequence 2014.



Not bad.

Prove you're a goose in one post, then confirm it with the next.

You haven't proved it is of consequence goose. So it is the march of no consequence 2014 and will remain so. Good that the few hundred got a day out in the climate change though  ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:59pm

No consequence? Ferals? Unwashed unemployed? Rent-a-crowds? No-one bothered to turn up?

No. Normal people who, unlike you, actually give a rolling root about the future of this country.

See for yourself what the MSM aren't showing you... bet you won't.

I reiterate, if you think this was of no consequence, you're a fool.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jennaguillaume/march-in-march-photos-that-will-give-you-goosebumps

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 16th, 2014 at 11:00pm

Kat wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:59pm:
No consequence? Ferals? Unwashed unemployed? Rent-a-crowds? No-one bothered to turn up?

No. Normal people who, unlike you, actually give a rolling root about the future of this country.

See for yourself what the MSM aren't showing you... bet you won't.

I reiterate, if you think this was of no consequence, you're a fool.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jennaguillaume/march-in-march-photos-that-will-give-you-goosebumps

So it was of no consequence. Thanks for playing.

Geez that's sad for you. There was more in the ditch the lying witch photos.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by The Grappler 2014 on Mar 16th, 2014 at 11:02pm

Kat wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:59pm:
No consequence? Ferals? Unwashed unemployed? Rent-a-crowds? No-one bothered to turn up?

No. Normal people who, unlike you, actually give a rolling root about the future of this country.

See for yourself what the MSM aren't showing you... bet you won't.

I reiterate, if you think this was of no consequence, you're a fool.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jennaguillaume/march-in-march-photos-that-will-give-you-goosebumps



Freedom of the internet, Kat.... the news you get when the news won't publish it through fear and sycophancy and self-interest..... which last raises some intersting questions.

"Yeah, Colonel.. those sure look like German aircraft bombing your factory over there!  Must be winning this war!"

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 16th, 2014 at 11:55pm

Kat wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:59pm:
No consequence? Ferals? Unwashed unemployed? Rent-a-crowds? No-one bothered to turn up?

No. Normal people who, unlike you, actually give a rolling root about the future of this country.

See for yourself what the MSM aren't showing you... bet you won't.

I reiterate, if you think this was of no consequence, you're a fool.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jennaguillaume/march-in-march-photos-that-will-give-you-goosebumps


Damn Kat! They're all feral rent a crowds like they were here! How dare they dress up and behave like everyday Australians! The hide!

Shame feral leftards, shame! How dare you impersonate ordinary Australians!

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:07am
Point is though who is going to pay attention to a couple of thousand marching about all different things??

I know I wouldn't.

Waste of time. Still if it makes them feel happy let them carry on.

We had clowns chaining themselves to our trucks in Canada last year over far sands etc.
Load of nonsense.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:11am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:07am:
Point is though who is going to pay attention to a couple of thousand marching about all different things??

I know I wouldn't.

Waste of time. Still if it makes them feel happy let them carry on.

We had clowns chaining themselves to our trucks in Canada last year over far sands etc.
Load of nonsense.


That's not your call to make Andrei. They spent their time to make a statement and they spent it the way they wanted to. Who are you to belittle them for it? No-one had to go, they chose. That is what it comes down to. It doesn't matter what you feel it will accomplish. It's ordinary Australians making their wishes known.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by The Grappler 2014 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:15am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:07am:
Point is though who is going to pay attention to a couple of thousand marching about all different things??

I know I wouldn't.

Waste of time. Still if it makes them feel happy let them carry on.

We had clowns chaining themselves to our trucks in Canada last year over far sands etc.
Load of nonsense.


Until they realise that protesting is meaningless and they take it to the streets... or dark underground....

Then.. verily.. will you see the wrath of a people scorned....

They protest - they are rejected... they harbour the issue forever - and one day they will hold it against you.....

That is human nature.  You may oppress and you may seek to ignore - but every time you do so you create a new enemy.  One day - after endless creations of enemies - you will feel their wrath.

You're a Pom (sort of) - does not your own history tell you that?

You Keffir haters sought to geep the gost of Bleck labour to den ber cent off der Vhite man's labour gost in der gold mines - den der Rednek English vought you in der Boer War - und you vere beaden!

Nod zaying dey did dis vor 'umanidy - zey did zis vor zeir own brofit!  Bud you zee mein boint?

Vhen you zeek do oppress somevun - zey will vind a vay off gicking you orf!



Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:16am
Fine.
Like I said they can do what they like. I'm telling you from the other side of the fence on gas fracking and delivery, you walking up and down the road means nada.

What does matter is that we are improving delivery, making it safer and providing newer sources of energy to meet the huge demand!

Leave it to industry to fix problems. Not banners and placards.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:22am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:16am:
Fine.
Like I said they can do what they like. I'm telling you from the other side of the fence on gas fracking and delivery, you walking up and down the road means nada.

What does matter is that we are improving delivery, making it safer and providing newer sources of energy to meet the huge demand!

Leave it to industry to fix problems. Not banners and placards.


No thank you, unless the industry is renewable. The blockades start soon. We made it too much trouble last time and they pulled out. Shareholders were not pleased about the "social contract" abuse and the company paid dearly. They will again.
http://www.dailyexaminer.com.au/news/csg-miner-should-honour-social-contract-and-walk-a/1611158/

Quote:
Metgasco CEO and managing director Peter Henderson told ABC radio in May last year that the company needed a social licence to operate.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:23am
I'm going to have to adios you soon.
I'm sat on a plane waiting to leave for the 'Dam.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:23am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:23am:
I'm going to have to adios you soon.
I'm sat on a plane waiting to leave for the 'Dam.


Have fun. Look after y'self.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:25am

Setanta wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:22am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:16am:
Fine.
Like I said they can do what they like. I'm telling you from the other side of the fence on gas fracking and delivery, you walking up and down the road means nada.

What does matter is that we are improving delivery, making it safer and providing newer sources of energy to meet the huge demand!

Leave it to industry to fix problems. Not banners and placards.


No thank you, unless the industry is renewable. The blockades start soon. We made it too much trouble last time and they pulled out. Shareholders were not pleased about the "social contract" abuse and the company paid dearly. They will again.
http://www.dailyexaminer.com.au/news/csg-miner-should-honour-social-contract-and-walk-a/1611158/

Quote:
Metgasco CEO and managing director Peter Henderson told ABC radio in May last year that the company needed a social licence to operate.


When you start blockading then you start to become illegal.
That's a slippery slope I'd argue you should avoid.

In Canada we ended up having protestors arrested because they were blocking the transport lines from the plants to the consumer.

It's not nice and nobody wants to see that.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by The Grappler 2014 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:25am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:16am:
Fine.
Like I said they can do what they like. I'm telling you from the other side of the fence on gas fracking and delivery, you walking up and down the road means nada.

What does matter is that we are improving delivery, making it safer and providing newer sources of energy to meet the huge demand!

Leave it to industry to fix problems. Not banners and placards.



Yeah - but your new sources of energy are making life harder for Australians while you trade on the international market.

You are doing this at the expense of the Australian people - who perhaps should be receiving a premium for every litre fracked out of their ground.....

Every other country does this - they well up petroleum in Saudi Arabia and sell it themselves or they receive a mega premium from foreign investors who do it for them - they don't lose it all and see their cost of petroleum rising as we do with natural gas here.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark here... and it ain't just the smell of unburnt or burnt gas.....

That gas should be powering AUSTRALIA for its benefit and for its people - not every Hong, Dikander, and Ari....

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:26am

Setanta wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:23am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:23am:
I'm going to have to adios you soon.
I'm sat on a plane waiting to leave for the 'Dam.


Have fun. Look after y'self.


How can I not in this City.
I'll go and see the tulips....  :)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Setanta on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:27am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:26am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:23am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:23am:
I'm going to have to adios you soon.
I'm sat on a plane waiting to leave for the 'Dam.


Have fun. Look after y'self.


How can I not in this City.
I'll go and see the tulips....  :)


And the windmills! See how much free energy they produce!  ;)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:30am

Ye Grappler wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:25am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:16am:
Fine.
Like I said they can do what they like. I'm telling you from the other side of the fence on gas fracking and delivery, you walking up and down the road means nada.

What does matter is that we are improving delivery, making it safer and providing newer sources of energy to meet the huge demand!

Leave it to industry to fix problems. Not banners and placards.



Yeah - but your new sources of energy are making life harder for Australians while you trade on the international market.

You are doing this at the expense of the Australian people - who perhaps should be receiving a premium for every litre fracked out of their ground.....

Every other country does this - they well up petroleum in Saudi Arabia and sell it themselves or they receive a mega premium from foreign investors who do it for them - they don't lose it all and see their cost of petroleum rising as we do with natural gas here.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark here... and it ain't just the smell of unburnt or burnt gas.....

That gas should be powering AUSTRALIA for its benefit and for its people - not every Hong, Dikander, and Ari....


Just on your point there. I can't speak for others but our fracking is carried out by our Australian pty Ltd entity.
This has a local management structure, an Australian leadership team, pays corp taxes to the ATO and the exported gas is purchased under a Transfer Price Agreement by our Cayman Isles entity.
That way profits recorded under the TPA are reported and taxed in Australia at the point of internal sales - arms length transaction.

So taxes paid in the sales in Australia, taxes paid on the export, local people hired (I think less than 20% of management down there are expat).

I think we do our part grappler.

Fair dollar paid.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by The Grappler 2014 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:33am
When you sell our poo overseas for industry to value add - you deprive the Australian people of the opportunity to do the same - and the opportunity to add value for the nation and country rather than some amorphous international concept (concept as opposed to reality) of billionaire entrepreneurs who rose to the top on a sea of their own people's blood - either directly or indirectly through the devastation of their lung capacity and their reduction under the despotism of serfdom for a few rupees or whatever....

No Money To spend - Nothing Gets Bought...... Economy Stagnates..

*(**note - even the Muslim world is rising in opposition to 'Islamism' - the concept that the Islamic way knows no national boundaries etc - yet we of the West are engaging in an 'Islamism' of our own - at our own cost - every time we offshore something of our own and play the 'internationalist' or 'one world order' game...... this is the light...  WTF is WRONG with us?)...

Got it yet?  Your short term profit company will soon founder on the simple basis that the market will be glutted and will collapses from lack of markets for produce (as is happening all around the Asian pacific Basin right now - take a look) - and there will be nothing for it to fall back on since it has engaged in asset ripping rather than positive and consolidated revenue streams.

You should be building the GAIA and the steel works in the Pilbara instead of ripping gas out of the soil and poisoning your neighbours - but then - I suppose - unlike the Chinese (and me) you think short term and not generationally.....

Damn, Igor - WAS our great-grandmother Chinese?  they used to call me Ming at school.....

(Ming - fullback for the school rugby side - a depleted team that went down terribly every week - and who got Best and Fairest twice in a year in a badly beaten team - often 40-50 NIL!)...

Title: Re: March in March
Post by The Grappler 2014 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:37am
Andrei - WHEN you push the GAIA and the Pilbara Steel Project to your company - I fully expect a finder's fee..  I'm happy with.. say... $7-10 mil....

There are BILLIONS to be made from cunning investment NOW... so say $10 mil is nothing.

Let's make it ten - I can do a hell of a lot with that!

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Peter Freedman on Mar 17th, 2014 at 2:04am
Some things never change. People who want a better Australia take to the streets to express their opinions.

Those whose only view is "Our lot is in power suck on that" sit behind their computers and call them names.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:13am

Great rallies all around the country. I was amazed at the turnout , shame the local tv stations chickened out, but that's to be expected in the days of secret governments. 50,000 in Melbourne and dimwitted Abbott didn't know about it.

I wonder if he'll come out and nod his head in Canberra today when they march to parliament house.

Six months in power and already mass protests, it's not looking good for the future Tone's.

Thanks for the Lismore pics guys.

BOTR!!!

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:16am
(thanks kat)






THOUSAND TURN OUT TO TELL ABBOTT HE'S AN ARSEHOLE

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:18am
Melbourne


Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:19am

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 2:04am:
Some things never change. People who want a better Australia take to the streets to express their opinions.

Those whose only view is "Our lot is in power suck on that" sit behind their computers and call them names.

People who want a better Australia voted a party in. Get over yourselves.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:20am
Perth


Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:21am
Brisbane....a small lead up to the G20 in November



Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:24am
If every one of these people know five other people that feel the same, Tony's a goner.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:25am
Those photo's are proof we need to cut handouts, so many scabs

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:28am
A sad chapter of our history that we can never take back. That little girl and her peers will be left to apologise and pay them retribution.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by the wise one on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:29am
On Saturday 15th and Sunday 16th March, 2014 over 100,000 people marched against the Abbott Government. I have read a lot of comments on the Facebook pages of major news services and noted the comments of Liberal Government supporters.

Many Liberal supporters are saying this is a Labor/Union/GetUp/Rabid Left Wing nice person movement. March in March is a grass- roots campaign started by the people for the people.  End of story.

Many Liberal supporters are making comments in the vain to ‘Get over it, stop whinging, Abbott won, Labor lost” “Go have a cry Boo Hoo lefties”

This has nothing to do with the election. This has everything to do with the behaviour and decisions made after the election.  The fact that the majority of  Australians voted for a Government with no policies other than ‘Stop the Boats’ and ‘Axe the Tax’ leaves a lot to be desired for the seriousness of how voters do vote at election time. But, that is for another blog post.

As a Government, they needed to start actually implementing their policies and changes; as that is what Governments do.  When people voted, I do not believe the majority who voted Liberal or National (with the exclusion of the committed conservatives) understood exactly what they were voting for. They only knew what they ‘thought’ they were voting against. I will give the Liberal Government kudos for a very effective campaign, which was run effectively to deceive the disengaged voter.

Many see Governments as “Left” or “Right” I see Governments as “Pro-Community” or “Anti-Community” I think that to have a Grass-Roots movement march this weekend with so much success, in a country where there is a lot of political apathy, says a lot about the Abbott Government being Anti-Community.

I truly believe that regardless of Governments left or right affiliation; people march and become activists (some who are very engaged, but most of all the ones who are primarily disengaged from politics), because deep down somewhere in our Australian psyche is what is called “A Fair Go’.

It is a well known fact that most people do not like change. The fact that Tony Abbott and the MSM touted that there was very little between Labor and Liberal at election time, meant voters felt safe and confident to change Government. Many voters would not have believed it to be a big deal and most would get the same Fair Go or better that the previous Government had given us.

At times us Aussies lose sight of this Fair Go or we don’t truly believe that any Aussie, particularly a Government would go against this. We do stupid things like voting in anti-community Governments like Conservative Liberal Governments. Then the Government makes changes and their true colours come out.

Everyday compassionate Australians, see real fellow Aussies are severely affected. They lose their jobs, whole industries are gone, critical services are cut, they are left with nothing but despair, we see the silence on the inhumane treatment of other human beings seeking asylum, we see the lack of support and services given to our first people, we see the lack of vision for the future of our children with education, we hear the plight of the disabled facing cuts to a great national program, we hear the fear in the voices of the poor who can’t afford $6.00 every time they visit a doctor. We see and feel a real threat to our Fair Go culture for our fellow Australians.  We don’t have a huge rich and poor divide in this country like other countries and when people see our country heading that way, they stand up and say enough.

Go here for really comprehensive list of Abbott’s Broken Promises and the reason’s people feel like there is no more Fair Go.

With this type of depressing landscape ahead of us for three more years, the Aussie Fair Go Psyche rears it’s head and people start screaming for a Fair Go.  Everyday Aussies got together with their mates and their mates and mates of their mates and they Marched with pride and passion.

…and that is WHY Liberal supporters that the people marched this weekend, so you can put all of your conspiracy theories to rest. Comprende?



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Title: Re: March in March
Post by Rider on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:29am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:24am:
If every one of these people know five other people that feel the same, Tony's a goner.



Why?  They've never voted for a Liberal government ever.

Obnoxious tossers who haven't got over the fact their political parties of choice are irrelevant sideshows and they've just wasted a lovely Sunday with a bunch of feral unwashed long haired basket weaving bedwetting cry baby wankers.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:31am

John S wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:29am:
On Saturday 15th and Sunday 16th March, 2014 over 100,000 people marched against the Abbott Government. I have read a lot of comments on the Facebook pages of major news services and noted the comments of Liberal Government supporters.

Many Liberal supporters are saying this is a Labor/Union/GetUp/Rabid Left Wing nice person movement. March in March is a grass- roots campaign started by the people for the people.  End of story.

Many Liberal supporters are making comments in the vain to ‘Get over it, stop whinging, Abbott won, Labor lost” “Go have a cry Boo Hoo lefties”

This has nothing to do with the election. This has everything to do with the behaviour and decisions made after the election.  The fact that the majority of  Australians voted for a Government with no policies other than ‘Stop the Boats’ and ‘Axe the Tax’ leaves a lot to be desired for the seriousness of how voters do vote at election time. But, that is for another blog post.

As a Government, they needed to start actually implementing their policies and changes; as that is what Governments do.  When people voted, I do not believe the majority who voted Liberal or National (with the exclusion of the committed conservatives) understood exactly what they were voting for. They only knew what they ‘thought’ they were voting against. I will give the Liberal Government kudos for a very effective campaign, which was run effectively to deceive the disengaged voter.

Many see Governments as “Left” or “Right” I see Governments as “Pro-Community” or “Anti-Community” I think that to have a Grass-Roots movement march this weekend with so much success, in a country where there is a lot of political apathy, says a lot about the Abbott Government being Anti-Community.

I truly believe that regardless of Governments left or right affiliation; people march and become activists (some who are very engaged, but most of all the ones who are primarily disengaged from politics), because deep down somewhere in our Australian psyche is what is called “A Fair Go’.

It is a well known fact that most people do not like change. The fact that Tony Abbott and the MSM touted that there was very little between Labor and Liberal at election time, meant voters felt safe and confident to change Government. Many voters would not have believed it to be a big deal and most would get the same Fair Go or better that the previous Government had given us.

At times us Aussies lose sight of this Fair Go or we don’t truly believe that any Aussie, particularly a Government would go against this. We do stupid things like voting in anti-community Governments like Conservative Liberal Governments. Then the Government makes changes and their true colours come out.

Everyday compassionate Australians, see real fellow Aussies are severely affected. They lose their jobs, whole industries are gone, critical services are cut, they are left with nothing but despair, we see the silence on the inhumane treatment of other human beings seeking asylum, we see the lack of support and services given to our first people, we see the lack of vision for the future of our children with education, we hear the plight of the disabled facing cuts to a great national program, we hear the fear in the voices of the poor who can’t afford $6.00 every time they visit a doctor. We see and feel a real threat to our Fair Go culture for our fellow Australians.  We don’t have a huge rich and poor divide in this country like other countries and when people see our country heading that way, they stand up and say enough.

Go here for really comprehensive list of Abbott’s Broken Promises and the reason’s people feel like there is no more Fair Go.

With this type of depressing landscape ahead of us for three more years, the Aussie Fair Go Psyche rears it’s head and people start screaming for a Fair Go.  Everyday Aussies got together with their mates and their mates and mates of their mates and they Marched with pride and passion.

…and that is WHY Liberal supporters that the people marched this weekend, so you can put all of your conspiracy theories to rest. Comprende?



http://polyfeministix.wordpress.com/

With those photos, you lost me at 100000 lol. More like 1000 at the march of no consequence 2014

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:31am

Creative!!!!


Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:39am

Six months and 'no confidence' marches around Australia, it's never happened before.

Are everyday Australians seeing the social, economic and environmental train wreck that is this current government?


Rider wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:29am:
Obnoxious tossers who haven't got over the fact their political parties of choice are irrelevant sideshows and they've just wasted a lovely Sunday with a bunch of feral unwashed long haired basket weaving bedwetting cry baby wankers.



That's the usual sheeple type response, well brainwashed Rider, don't forget, whatever silly names you call them, these people make up the majority of the Australian population, they vote too.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:41am
The desperation and pig ignorant stupidity of the usual suspects who lost the last election...  knows no bounds.

Hold onto whatever you can because denial of reality and lies is not a sane proposition.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by the wise one on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:42am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:31am:

John S wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:29am:
On Saturday 15th and Sunday 16th March, 2014 over 100,000 people marched against the Abbott Government. I have read a lot of comments on the Facebook pages of major news services and noted the comments of Liberal Government supporters.

Many Liberal supporters are saying this is a Labor/Union/GetUp/Rabid Left Wing nice person movement. March in March is a grass- roots campaign started by the people for the people.  End of story.

Many Liberal supporters are making comments in the vain to ‘Get over it, stop whinging, Abbott won, Labor lost” “Go have a cry Boo Hoo lefties”

This has nothing to do with the election. This has everything to do with the behaviour and decisions made after the election.  The fact that the majority of  Australians voted for a Government with no policies other than ‘Stop the Boats’ and ‘Axe the Tax’ leaves a lot to be desired for the seriousness of how voters do vote at election time. But, that is for another blog post.

As a Government, they needed to start actually implementing their policies and changes; as that is what Governments do.  When people voted, I do not believe the majority who voted Liberal or National (with the exclusion of the committed conservatives) understood exactly what they were voting for. They only knew what they ‘thought’ they were voting against. I will give the Liberal Government kudos for a very effective campaign, which was run effectively to deceive the disengaged voter.

Many see Governments as “Left” or “Right” I see Governments as “Pro-Community” or “Anti-Community” I think that to have a Grass-Roots movement march this weekend with so much success, in a country where there is a lot of political apathy, says a lot about the Abbott Government being Anti-Community.

I truly believe that regardless of Governments left or right affiliation; people march and become activists (some who are very engaged, but most of all the ones who are primarily disengaged from politics), because deep down somewhere in our Australian psyche is what is called “A Fair Go’.

It is a well known fact that most people do not like change. The fact that Tony Abbott and the MSM touted that there was very little between Labor and Liberal at election time, meant voters felt safe and confident to change Government. Many voters would not have believed it to be a big deal and most would get the same Fair Go or better that the previous Government had given us.

At times us Aussies lose sight of this Fair Go or we don’t truly believe that any Aussie, particularly a Government would go against this. We do stupid things like voting in anti-community Governments like Conservative Liberal Governments. Then the Government makes changes and their true colours come out.

Everyday compassionate Australians, see real fellow Aussies are severely affected. They lose their jobs, whole industries are gone, critical services are cut, they are left with nothing but despair, we see the silence on the inhumane treatment of other human beings seeking asylum, we see the lack of support and services given to our first people, we see the lack of vision for the future of our children with education, we hear the plight of the disabled facing cuts to a great national program, we hear the fear in the voices of the poor who can’t afford $6.00 every time they visit a doctor. We see and feel a real threat to our Fair Go culture for our fellow Australians.  We don’t have a huge rich and poor divide in this country like other countries and when people see our country heading that way, they stand up and say enough.

Go here for really comprehensive list of Abbott’s Broken Promises and the reason’s people feel like there is no more Fair Go.

With this type of depressing landscape ahead of us for three more years, the Aussie Fair Go Psyche rears it’s head and people start screaming for a Fair Go.  Everyday Aussies got together with their mates and their mates and mates of their mates and they Marched with pride and passion.

…and that is WHY Liberal supporters that the people marched this weekend, so you can put all of your conspiracy theories to rest. Comprende?



http://polyfeministix.wordpress.com/

With those photos, you lost me at 100000 lol. More like 1000 at the march of no consequence 2014



What photos goose, did I to link to in my post?

My old man used to say You don't need a long neck to be a goose

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:48am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:11pm:
Just the march in Gosford had more than the whole Convoy of Incontinence. I was at the Adelaide MiM, plain ordinary folks there, no ferals no rentacrowd.

Seems the rightarded are seriously worried by these marches. Well, I dare say there will be more and they will get bigger. The simian is not popular nor clever and will find things getting more and more difficult.

Nor was today organised by the ALP, good on Shorten not appearing.


Word of advice to the rightarded: get rid of the simian.

Really? Blacktown showground had about 5000 people there Monkey Boy...  that's pretty good considering most were mature aged conservative voters who wouldn't normally arc up like the fragile organised protesting progressives.  Get up/Unions/Students/Your Rights at work/alp members/green members etc...  Conservatives save their protesting for election day.  Only a single man was organising the protests you lot disdain... ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Rider on Mar 17th, 2014 at 7:18am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:39am:
Six months and 'no confidence' marches around Australia, it's never happened before.

Are everyday Australians seeing the social, economic and environmental train wreck that is this current government?


Rider wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:29am:
Obnoxious tossers who haven't got over the fact their political parties of choice are irrelevant sideshows and they've just wasted a lovely Sunday with a bunch of feral unwashed long haired basket weaving bedwetting cry baby wankers.



That's the usual sheeple type response, well brainwashed Rider, don't forget, whatever silly names you call them, these people make up the majority of the Australian population, they vote too.


Clearly they don't and you are wrong. Election DENIER.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 7:32am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:19am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 2:04am:
Some things never change. People who want a better Australia take to the streets to express their opinions.

Those whose only view is "Our lot is in power suck on that" sit behind their computers and call them names.

People who want a better Australia voted a party in. Get over yourselves.


If you really wanted a better Australia, you'd never even consider voting for the Liberals.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 7:36am

Rider wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:29am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:24am:
If every one of these people know five other people that feel the same, Tony's a goner.



Why?  They've never voted for a Liberal government ever.

Obnoxious tossers who haven't got over the fact their political parties of choice are irrelevant sideshows and they've just wasted a lovely Sunday with a bunch of feral unwashed long haired basket weaving bedwetting cry baby wankers.


Sell your mirror.

Use the proceeds as a down-payment on a brain.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 7:39am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:31am:
 


http://polyfeministix.wordpress.com/

With those photos, you lost me at 100000 lol. More like 1000 at the march of no consequence 2014[/quote]


So, even when the fact that you are (yet again) wrong is virtually pushed into your face, you still persist with your denialist BS.

The photographs PROVE you wrong.

Your stupidity knows no bounds, it would seem.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by the wise one on Mar 17th, 2014 at 7:45am

Grendel wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:41am:
The desperation and pig ignorant stupidity of the usual suspects who lost the last election...  knows no bounds.

Hold onto whatever you can because denial of reality and lies is not a sane proposition.




Grendel wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:48am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:11pm:
Just the march in Gosford had more than the whole Convoy of Incontinence. I was at the Adelaide MiM, plain ordinary folks there, no ferals no rentacrowd.

Seems the rightarded are seriously worried by these marches. Well, I dare say there will be more and they will get bigger. The simian is not popular nor clever and will find things getting more and more difficult.

Nor was today organised by the ALP, good on Shorten not appearing.


Word of advice to the rightarded: get rid of the simian.

Really? Blacktown showground had about 5000 people there Monkey Boy...  that's pretty good considering most were mature aged conservative voters who wouldn't normally arc up like the fragile organised protesting progressives.  Get up/Unions/Students/Your Rights at work/alp members/green members etc...  Conservatives save their protesting for election day.  Only a single man was organising the protests you lot disdain... ;D ;D ;D




Rider wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 7:18am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:39am:
Six months and 'no confidence' marches around Australia, it's never happened before.

Are everyday Australians seeing the social, economic and environmental train wreck that is this current government?


Rider wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:29am:
Obnoxious tossers who haven't got over the fact their political parties of choice are irrelevant sideshows and they've just wasted a lovely Sunday with a bunch of feral unwashed long haired basket weaving bedwetting cry baby wankers.



That's the usual sheeple type response, well brainwashed Rider, don't forget, whatever silly names you call them, these people make up the majority of the Australian population, they vote too.


Clearly they don't and you are wrong. Election DENIER.



If any of you read my post #193 you would see that MiM was not about Abbott winning the election but what he has done since he won the election.

Where is the Aussie Fair Go that use to be in the Aussies makeup. What we are heading for under Abbott is a dog eat dog society

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 17th, 2014 at 7:49am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:24am:
If every one of these people know five other people that feel the same, Tony's a goner.



Maths and reality are not your strong points are they?

The claim has been made by others that as many as 100,000 people around Australia showed up over the weekend. (Sounds like BS. I don't think people know how many 100,000 people looks like. If you want an idea, watch the F1). You reckon if they represent 1 in 6 who feel the same way (but not enough to get off their arse and make a show) that tony is a goner?

This is why people are laughing at these clowns. Because they are people like you who don't have a clue. 1.1 million people voted for the greens last election. Is Tony a goner because of that? After the last election I would expect there to be several million people who don't like tony. It means little in a country of 16 million voters.

Even if your numbers about Melbourne are correct, and even if they represent 1 in 6, so what? Who gives a shlt if around 6-7% of Melbourne people don't like Tony? It is the 90+% who think these protest are stupid that actually matter.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 17th, 2014 at 7:56am

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 7:32am:
If you really wanted a better Australia, you'd never even consider voting for the Liberals


Yep I agree,  the alternative mob of Comrade Truebeliever Pinkoheads are such a bunch of useless, brainless, lazy, good for nothing, thieving, lying, R-Soles that their is absolutely no need to consider anything but voting for the Libs..... ;D


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Rider on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:01am

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 7:36am:

Rider wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:29am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:24am:
If every one of these people know five other people that feel the same, Tony's a goner.



Why?  They've never voted for a Liberal government ever.

Obnoxious tossers who haven't got over the fact their political parties of choice are irrelevant sideshows and they've just wasted a lovely Sunday with a bunch of feral unwashed long haired basket weaving bedwetting cry baby wankers.


Sell your mirror.

Use the proceeds as a down-payment on a brain.


Diddums...what part of "Obnoxious tossers who haven't got over the fact their political parties of choice are irrelevant sideshows and they've just wasted a lovely Sunday with a bunch of feral unwashed long haired basket weaving bedwetting cry baby wankers" didn't you understand?????????


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:02am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:30am:
Just on your point there. I can't speak for others but our fracking is carried out by our Australian pty Ltd entity.

A donor to the Coalition if it's CSG Limited.


Quote:
This has a local management structure, an Australian leadership team, pays corp taxes to the ATO and the exported gas is purchased under a Transfer Price Agreement by our Cayman Isles entity. That way profits recorded under the TPA are reported and taxed in Australia at the point of internal sales - arms length transaction.

Why Cayman Islands? Obviously evading taxes hand over first. No person nor corporation does business with a tiny tax-haven country like the Cayman Islands unless they're up to no good with taxes.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Soren on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:04am
Elsewhere in the news...


85 days since last successful people smuggling venture
Friday, 14 March 2014

The latest weekly update for Operation Sovereign Borders reveals 85 days have now passed since the last successful people smuggling venture to Australia, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, the Hon Scott Morrison said today.

85 days, or more than 12 weeks, since the last successful people smuggling venture to Australia demonstrates the continued success of Operation Sovereign Borders, particularly maritime operations, in stopping the boats.

The last people smuggling venture that made it to Australia and had all passengers handed over to Australian immigration authorities was on December 19 last year.

From 20 December 2012 to 14 March 2013 there were 40 illegal boat arrivals with a total of 2121 people on board.

The personnel carrying out the government's policies under Operation Sovereign Borders, including the serving men and women of our armed forces and Australian Customs and Border Protection Service, our diplomats, police, immigration officers and other officials, are making remarkable progress.

However there will be no let-up under Operation Sovereign Borders. As the monsoon period ends it is imperative that tension remains in the cord on border protection. The message is clear - the policy of the government to intercept and safely remove boats that seek to illegally enter Australia remains.

Meanwhile the reduction in the detainee population on Christmas Island continues, lessening pressure on facilities. When Operation Sovereign Borders commenced there were over 2600 people accommodated on the island, now there are 1700.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Rider on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:05am

John S wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 7:45am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:41am:
The desperation and pig ignorant stupidity of the usual suspects who lost the last election...  knows no bounds.

Hold onto whatever you can because denial of reality and lies is not a sane proposition.




Grendel wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:48am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 16th, 2014 at 9:11pm:
Just the march in Gosford had more than the whole Convoy of Incontinence. I was at the Adelaide MiM, plain ordinary folks there, no ferals no rentacrowd.

Seems the rightarded are seriously worried by these marches. Well, I dare say there will be more and they will get bigger. The simian is not popular nor clever and will find things getting more and more difficult.

Nor was today organised by the ALP, good on Shorten not appearing.


Word of advice to the rightarded: get rid of the simian.

Really? Blacktown showground had about 5000 people there Monkey Boy...  that's pretty good considering most were mature aged conservative voters who wouldn't normally arc up like the fragile organised protesting progressives.  Get up/Unions/Students/Your Rights at work/alp members/green members etc...  Conservatives save their protesting for election day.  Only a single man was organising the protests you lot disdain... ;D ;D ;D




Rider wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 7:18am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:39am:
Six months and 'no confidence' marches around Australia, it's never happened before.

Are everyday Australians seeing the social, economic and environmental train wreck that is this current government?


Rider wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:29am:
Obnoxious tossers who haven't got over the fact their political parties of choice are irrelevant sideshows and they've just wasted a lovely Sunday with a bunch of feral unwashed long haired basket weaving bedwetting cry baby wankers.



That's the usual sheeple type response, well brainwashed Rider, don't forget, whatever silly names you call them, these people make up the majority of the Australian population, they vote too.


Clearly they don't and you are wrong. Election DENIER.



If any of you read my post #193 you would see that MiM was not about Abbott winning the election but what he has done since he won the election.

Where is the Aussie Fair Go that use to be in the Aussies makeup. What we are heading for under Abbott is a dog eat dog society


You didn't vote for Abbott so your faux outrage of what you perceive has occurred in the post election period is nothing more than the petulant tantrum of a small child being told 'NO' in the confectionery isle of a supermarket.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Rider on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:08am

Soren wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:04am:
Elsewhere in the news...


85 days since last successful people smuggling venture
Friday, 14 March 2014

The latest weekly update for Operation Sovereign Borders reveals 85 days have now passed since the last successful people smuggling venture to Australia, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, the Hon Scott Morrison said today.

85 days, or more than 12 weeks, since the last successful people smuggling venture to Australia demonstrates the continued success of Operation Sovereign Borders, particularly maritime operations, in stopping the boats.

The last people smuggling venture that made it to Australia and had all passengers handed over to Australian immigration authorities was on December 19 last year.

From 20 December 2012 to 14 March 2013 there were 40 illegal boat arrivals with a total of 2121 people on board.

The personnel carrying out the government's policies under Operation Sovereign Borders, including the serving men and women of our armed forces and Australian Customs and Border Protection Service, our diplomats, police, immigration officers and other officials, are making remarkable progress.

However there will be no let-up under Operation Sovereign Borders. As the monsoon period ends it is imperative that tension remains in the cord on border protection. The message is clear - the policy of the government to intercept and safely remove boats that seek to illegally enter Australia remains.

Meanwhile the reduction in the detainee population on Christmas Island continues, lessening pressure on facilities. When Operation Sovereign Borders commenced there were over 2600 people accommodated on the island, now there are 1700.


Clearly demonstrating the abject failure and utter incompetence of the previous Labor (can you call them??) Governments. 

So called Progressives....progressively turning Australia into sh1te.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by the wise one on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:12am

Soren wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:04am:
Elsewhere in the news...


85 days since last successful people smuggling venture
Friday, 14 March 2014

The latest weekly update for Operation Sovereign Borders reveals 85 days have now passed since the last successful people smuggling venture to Australia, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, the Hon Scott Morrison said today.

85 days, or more than 12 weeks, since the last successful people smuggling venture to Australia demonstrates the continued success of Operation Sovereign Borders, particularly maritime operations, in stopping the boats.

The last people smuggling venture that made it to Australia and had all passengers handed over to Australian immigration authorities was on December 19 last year.

From 20 December 2012 to 14 March 2013 there were 40 illegal boat arrivals with a total of 2121 people on board.

The personnel carrying out the government's policies under Operation Sovereign Borders, including the serving men and women of our armed forces and Australian Customs and Border Protection Service, our diplomats, police, immigration officers and other officials, are making remarkable progress.

However there will be no let-up under Operation Sovereign Borders. As the monsoon period ends it is imperative that tension remains in the cord on border protection. The message is clear - the policy of the government to intercept and safely remove boats that seek to illegally enter Australia remains.

Meanwhile the reduction in the detainee population on Christmas Island continues, lessening pressure on facilities. When Operation Sovereign Borders commenced there were over 2600 people accommodated on the island, now there are 1700.



Morrison hasn't stop the boats he has only turn them around.

If he want to claim that the boats have stop he would stop people boarding the boats in the first place.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by aquascoot on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:12am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:31am:
Creative!!!!




I find this attack on abbott totally amusing and  shows that the people attacking him as some sort of despot are just total loons.
I will go on the record as saying i dislike abbott for the reason that he is simply too far to the LEFT in his politics.
I have seen very little apart from the fine work done by Morrison to suggest that abbott is anything but a very big spending , big government populist.

Where are the mass sacking of the canberra regulators.
Where is the reform to the labor market.
Where is the money being ploughed into R and D and small business instead of wasted on NDIS, Direct Action, Gonski ,PPL

To suggest that abbott is anything other than a centre to centre left politician is lunacy.

I have my finger on  the pulse and i know how a true free market capitalist system works.
We are a welfare state and nothing has changed.
Time to get the losers off the teat and start helping those who want to build a prosperous country

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Soren on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:19am

John S wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:12am:
If he want to claim that the boats have stop he would stop people boarding the boats in the first place.



That's Indonesia's task, not ours.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:21am

John S wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 7:45am:
Where is the Aussie Fair Go that use to be in the Aussies makeup. 


Murdered by Political Correctness........


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am
Some food for thought for the terminally-ignorant who seem to think that these marches were of 'no consequence'...

in just about every protest, those who actually do protest are usually only a small subset of those who may support the reason for the protest, but do not actually participate themselves.

Now, to get at least 100,000 people onto the streets in this country is, to say the least, unusual. Especially such a diverse group as this, spread as it was across people of all political persuasions, and all walks and stations of life.

So far, the Right have been trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the news (MSM refuses to cover the marches), minimise the number of people who took part, trivialise their reasons for marching and have made unwarranted personal slurs against the participants.

OK, so given the numbers of those who actually marched, and extrapolating, they could well be looking at over a million people who supported the march and its reasons, but didn't march themselves. And the fact that the Libs didn't win by the huge margin that they claim to have done, and that less than 50,000 votes Australia-wide separated their win from the loss they deserved, the Right dismiss, minimise and ridicule these marchers at their peril.

These people are not 'leftards' or 'ferals'. They are Australians. They care. They are angry. And their numbers are growing. Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?

No consequence?

Only to a fool.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:41am
Good post Kat.

Some young people got up on the stage to speak. They said they knew nothing about politics, but they can see where their future was headed under this government and they are scared.

One fifteen year old girl was crying about the destruction of the Great Barrier Reef, she might only be one person in a sea of multi-national mining companies but she cares and that's what's on the record.

I don't expect these marches to have any impact on Abbott and Co, but it's on record for the future and the least they can say is somebody cared.

We had very good support and encouragement from the motorists who were passing by, so many on the side of good.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Soren on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:48am

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am:
Some food for thought for the terminally-ignorant who seem to think that these marches were of 'no consequence'...

in just about every protest, those who actually do protest are usually only a small subset of those who may support the reason for the protest, but do not actually participate themselves.

Now, to get at least 100,000 people onto the streets in this country is, to say the least, unusual. Especially such a diverse group as this, spread as it was across people of all political persuasions, and all walks and stations of life.

So far, the Right have been trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the news (MSM refuses to cover the marches), minimise the number of people who took part, trivialise their reasons for marching and have made unwarranted personal slurs against the participants.

OK, so given the numbers of those who actually marched, and extrapolating, they could well be looking at over a million people who supported the march and its reasons, but didn't march themselves. And the fact that the Libs didn't win by the huge margin that they claim to have done, and that less than 50,000 votes Australia-wide separated their win from the loss they deserved, the Right dismiss, minimise and ridicule these marchers at their peril.

These people are not 'leftards' or 'ferals'. They are Australians. They care. They are angry. And their numbers are growing. Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?

No consequence?

Only to a fool.



Did you hear about that other Protest in March? The one on Saturday in Tasmania?
Labor suffered its worst result in a Tasmanian election, as the Liberal Party was swept to power after 16 years in Opposition.

With about 80 per cent of the vote counted, Labor has polled 27 per cent and secured just six of the 25 Lower House seats.



And is SA?
South Australian voters would feel cheated if Labor was returned to power despite the Liberals getting a majority of the vote, Tony Abbott said in a blunt message to two key independents.
The prime minister praised Liberal leader Steven Marshall and the state party for garnering almost 53 per cent of the two-party preferred vote in Saturday’s election, saying in other states it would have given them a ‘‘thumping majority’’.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/abbott-praises-liberal-result-in-south-australian-election-but-outcome-still-too-close-to-call-20140316-34v0g.html#ixzz2wAVol6VA


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:50am

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am:
Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?


No I'm sure they will back to try to bully the voting public with their intimidation tactics again and again.  :-?

There was also No surprise that the march was scheduled for the same day as two state elections either.  A pathetic attempt at influencing the democratic process.  :-?

Do you really believe that the thuggish tactics of the rentacrowd will influence the silent majority?  They just damage the leftist cause no end...  ;D


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:53am

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am:
Some food for thought for the terminally-ignorant who seem to think that these marches were of 'no consequence'...

in just about every protest, those who actually do protest are usually only a small subset of those who may support the reason for the protest, but do not actually participate themselves.

Now, to get at least 100,000 people onto the streets in this country is, to say the least, unusual. Especially such a diverse group as this, spread as it was across people of all political persuasions, and all walks and stations of life.

So far, the Right have been trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the news (MSM refuses to cover the marches), minimise the number of people who took part, trivialise their reasons for marching and have made unwarranted personal slurs against the participants.

OK, so given the numbers of those who actually marched, and extrapolating, they could well be looking at over a million people who supported the march and its reasons, but didn't march themselves. And the fact that the Libs didn't win by the huge margin that they claim to have done, and that less than 50,000 votes Australia-wide separated their win from the loss they deserved, the Right dismiss, minimise and ridicule these marchers at their peril.

These people are not 'leftards' or 'ferals'. They are Australians. They care. They are angry. And their numbers are growing. Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?

No consequence?

Only to a fool.


The claims of how many people marched are by the protesters themselves. There is no proof there was 100,000 people. How many people each of them represents is just a wild guess. The idea that 1,000,000 are that angry about this government but as many as 900,000 can't be bothered to even walk down a street does not help the protesters claims. But even if a million people feel the same way, so what? As I said last page, 1.1 million voted for the greens. We already know that there are a lot of people who hate abbott. Why the f*ck should anyone care what a million people in a nation of 23 million want? What do you really think this is going to change? 

Title: Re: March in March
Post by aquascoot on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:58am
Undoubtedly , the party of "protest" are the Green Party.

the general population trying to be positive and keep the country going see this sort of "protest' as nothing more than a temper tantrum.

Possibly the 2 worst politicians in the history of australia , in terms of being always frowning, whining and spitting the dummy are milne and hanesn young.

the population have repsonded appropriately and it was a wise bill shorten who today blamed the green alliance for tasmanias woeful support for labor.

I am heartened to see that apart froma few looney tunes protesters , the vast majority of the population have outgrown the emotional maturity of a 3 yo.

Well done tasmania, you did us proud.

Bill,  it has taken your party 16 years to wake up to the fact that a mature party does not form an alliance with spolit brats

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:08am

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am:
Some food for thought for the terminally-ignorant who seem to think that these marches were of 'no consequence'...

in just about every protest, those who actually do protest are usually only a small subset of those who may support the reason for the protest, but do not actually participate themselves.

Now, to get at least 100,000 people onto the streets in this country is, to say the least, unusual. Especially such a diverse group as this, spread as it was across people of all political persuasions, and all walks and stations of life.

So far, the Right have been trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the news (MSM refuses to cover the marches), minimise the number of people who took part, trivialise their reasons for marching and have made unwarranted personal slurs against the participants.

OK, so given the numbers of those who actually marched, and extrapolating, they could well be looking at over a million people who supported the march and its reasons, but didn't march themselves. And the fact that the Libs didn't win by the huge margin that they claim to have done, and that less than 50,000 votes Australia-wide separated their win from the loss they deserved, the Right dismiss, minimise and ridicule these marchers at their peril.

These people are not 'leftards' or 'ferals'. They are Australians. They care. They are angry. And their numbers are growing. Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?

No consequence?

Only to a fool.

March of no consequence 2014. Dont forget the 2014.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:12am

John S wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:42am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:31am:

John S wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:29am:
On Saturday 15th and Sunday 16th March, 2014 over 100,000 people marched against the Abbott Government. I have read a lot of comments on the Facebook pages of major news services and noted the comments of Liberal Government supporters.

Many Liberal supporters are saying this is a Labor/Union/GetUp/Rabid Left Wing nice person movement. March in March is a grass- roots campaign started by the people for the people.  End of story.

Many Liberal supporters are making comments in the vain to ‘Get over it, stop whinging, Abbott won, Labor lost” “Go have a cry Boo Hoo lefties”

This has nothing to do with the election. This has everything to do with the behaviour and decisions made after the election.  The fact that the majority of  Australians voted for a Government with no policies other than ‘Stop the Boats’ and ‘Axe the Tax’ leaves a lot to be desired for the seriousness of how voters do vote at election time. But, that is for another blog post.

As a Government, they needed to start actually implementing their policies and changes; as that is what Governments do.  When people voted, I do not believe the majority who voted Liberal or National (with the exclusion of the committed conservatives) understood exactly what they were voting for. They only knew what they ‘thought’ they were voting against. I will give the Liberal Government kudos for a very effective campaign, which was run effectively to deceive the disengaged voter.

Many see Governments as “Left” or “Right” I see Governments as “Pro-Community” or “Anti-Community” I think that to have a Grass-Roots movement march this weekend with so much success, in a country where there is a lot of political apathy, says a lot about the Abbott Government being Anti-Community.

I truly believe that regardless of Governments left or right affiliation; people march and become activists (some who are very engaged, but most of all the ones who are primarily disengaged from politics), because deep down somewhere in our Australian psyche is what is called “A Fair Go’.

It is a well known fact that most people do not like change. The fact that Tony Abbott and the MSM touted that there was very little between Labor and Liberal at election time, meant voters felt safe and confident to change Government. Many voters would not have believed it to be a big deal and most would get the same Fair Go or better that the previous Government had given us.

At times us Aussies lose sight of this Fair Go or we don’t truly believe that any Aussie, particularly a Government would go against this. We do stupid things like voting in anti-community Governments like Conservative Liberal Governments. Then the Government makes changes and their true colours come out.

Everyday compassionate Australians, see real fellow Aussies are severely affected. They lose their jobs, whole industries are gone, critical services are cut, they are left with nothing but despair, we see the silence on the inhumane treatment of other human beings seeking asylum, we see the lack of support and services given to our first people, we see the lack of vision for the future of our children with education, we hear the plight of the disabled facing cuts to a great national program, we hear the fear in the voices of the poor who can’t afford $6.00 every time they visit a doctor. We see and feel a real threat to our Fair Go culture for our fellow Australians.  We don’t have a huge rich and poor divide in this country like other countries and when people see our country heading that way, they stand up and say enough.

Go here for really comprehensive list of Abbott’s Broken Promises and the reason’s people feel like there is no more Fair Go.

With this type of depressing landscape ahead of us for three more years, the Aussie Fair Go Psyche rears it’s head and people start screaming for a Fair Go.  Everyday Aussies got together with their mates and their mates and mates of their mates and they Marched with pride and passion.

…and that is WHY Liberal supporters that the people marched this weekend, so you can put all of your conspiracy theories to rest. Comprende?



http://polyfeministix.wordpress.com/

With those photos, you lost me at 100000 lol. More like 1000 at the march of no consequence 2014



What photos goose, did I to link to in my post?

My old man used to say You don't need a long neck to be a goose

;D ;D ;D im sure he did. That must have been a painful time in your life

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:27am

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am:
Some food for thought for the terminally-ignorant who seem to think that these marches were of 'no consequence'...

in just about every protest, those who actually do protest are usually only a small subset of those who may support the reason for the protest, but do not actually participate themselves.

Now, to get at least 100,000 people onto the streets in this country is, to say the least, unusual. Especially such a diverse group as this, spread as it was across people of all political persuasions, and all walks and stations of life.

So far, the Right have been trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the news (MSM refuses to cover the marches), minimise the number of people who took part, trivialise their reasons for marching and have made unwarranted personal slurs against the participants.

OK, so given the numbers of those who actually marched, and extrapolating, they could well be looking at over a million people who supported the march and its reasons, but didn't march themselves. And the fact that the Libs didn't win by the huge margin that they claim to have done, and that less than 50,000 votes Australia-wide separated their win from the loss they deserved, the Right dismiss, minimise and ridicule these marchers at their peril.

These people are not 'leftards' or 'ferals'. They are Australians. They care. They are angry. And their numbers are growing. Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?

No consequence?

Only to a fool.


The claims of how many people marched are by the protesters themselves. There is no proof there was 100,000 people. How many people each of them represents is just a wild guess. The idea that 1,000,000 are that angry about this government but as many as 900,000 can't be bothered to even walk down a street does not help the protesters claims. But even if a million people feel the same way, so what? As I said last page, 1.1 million voted for the greens. We already know that there are a lot of people who hate abbott. Why the f*ck should anyone care what a million people in a nation of 23 million want? What do you really think this is going to change? 



The government, eventually.

Then, hopefully, the system that lets a party that has NEVER governed in its
own right get into power by a shady 'coalition' deal.

We don't need a million people to get rid of these pole-smokers, we only need
around 50,000. That's less than half the number who turned out yesterday.

Stop minimalizing and deflecting, and start thinking.

And worrying.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:29am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:08am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am:
Some food for thought for the terminally-ignorant who seem to think that these marches were of 'no consequence'...

in just about every protest, those who actually do protest are usually only a small subset of those who may support the reason for the protest, but do not actually participate themselves.

Now, to get at least 100,000 people onto the streets in this country is, to say the least, unusual. Especially such a diverse group as this, spread as it was across people of all political persuasions, and all walks and stations of life.

So far, the Right have been trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the news (MSM refuses to cover the marches), minimise the number of people who took part, trivialise their reasons for marching and have made unwarranted personal slurs against the participants.

OK, so given the numbers of those who actually marched, and extrapolating, they could well be looking at over a million people who supported the march and its reasons, but didn't march themselves. And the fact that the Libs didn't win by the huge margin that they claim to have done, and that less than 50,000 votes Australia-wide separated their win from the loss they deserved, the Right dismiss, minimise and ridicule these marchers at their peril.

These people are not 'leftards' or 'ferals'. They are Australians. They care. They are angry. And their numbers are growing. Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?

No consequence?

Only to a fool.

March of no consequence 2014. Dont forget the 2014.



Dear me!!

And I thought Cods was dense...   >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:30am

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:27am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am:
Some food for thought for the terminally-ignorant who seem to think that these marches were of 'no consequence'...

in just about every protest, those who actually do protest are usually only a small subset of those who may support the reason for the protest, but do not actually participate themselves.

Now, to get at least 100,000 people onto the streets in this country is, to say the least, unusual. Especially such a diverse group as this, spread as it was across people of all political persuasions, and all walks and stations of life.

So far, the Right have been trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the news (MSM refuses to cover the marches), minimise the number of people who took part, trivialise their reasons for marching and have made unwarranted personal slurs against the participants.

OK, so given the numbers of those who actually marched, and extrapolating, they could well be looking at over a million people who supported the march and its reasons, but didn't march themselves. And the fact that the Libs didn't win by the huge margin that they claim to have done, and that less than 50,000 votes Australia-wide separated their win from the loss they deserved, the Right dismiss, minimise and ridicule these marchers at their peril.

These people are not 'leftards' or 'ferals'. They are Australians. They care. They are angry. And their numbers are growing. Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?

No consequence?

Only to a fool.


The claims of how many people marched are by the protesters themselves. There is no proof there was 100,000 people. How many people each of them represents is just a wild guess. The idea that 1,000,000 are that angry about this government but as many as 900,000 can't be bothered to even walk down a street does not help the protesters claims. But even if a million people feel the same way, so what? As I said last page, 1.1 million voted for the greens. We already know that there are a lot of people who hate abbott. Why the f*ck should anyone care what a million people in a nation of 23 million want? What do you really think this is going to change? 



The government, eventually.

Then, hopefully, the system that lets a party that has NEVER governed in its
own right get into power by a shady 'coalition' deal.

We don't need a million people to get rid of these pole-smokers, we only need
around 50,000. That's less than half the number who turned out yesterday.

Stop minimalizing and deflecting, and start thinking.

And worrying.


And how do you come to that conclusion?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by woody2013 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:33am

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:27am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am:
Some food for thought for the terminally-ignorant who seem to think that these marches were of 'no consequence'...

in just about every protest, those who actually do protest are usually only a small subset of those who may support the reason for the protest, but do not actually participate themselves.

Now, to get at least 100,000 people onto the streets in this country is, to say the least, unusual. Especially such a diverse group as this, spread as it was across people of all political persuasions, and all walks and stations of life.

So far, the Right have been trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the news (MSM refuses to cover the marches), minimise the number of people who took part, trivialise their reasons for marching and have made unwarranted personal slurs against the participants.

OK, so given the numbers of those who actually marched, and extrapolating, they could well be looking at over a million people who supported the march and its reasons, but didn't march themselves. And the fact that the Libs didn't win by the huge margin that they claim to have done, and that less than 50,000 votes Australia-wide separated their win from the loss they deserved, the Right dismiss, minimise and ridicule these marchers at their peril.

These people are not 'leftards' or 'ferals'. They are Australians. They care. They are angry. And their numbers are growing. Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?

No consequence?

Only to a fool.


The claims of how many people marched are by the protesters themselves. There is no proof there was 100,000 people. How many people each of them represents is just a wild guess. The idea that 1,000,000 are that angry about this government but as many as 900,000 can't be bothered to even walk down a street does not help the protesters claims. But even if a million people feel the same way, so what? As I said last page, 1.1 million voted for the greens. We already know that there are a lot of people who hate abbott. Why the f*ck should anyone care what a million people in a nation of 23 million want? What do you really think this is going to change? 



The government, eventually.

Then, hopefully, the system that lets a party that has NEVER governed in its
own right get into power by a shady 'coalition' deal.

We don't need a million people to get rid of these pole-smokers, we only need
around 50,000. That's less than half the number who turned out yesterday.

Stop minimalizing and deflecting, and start thinking.

And worrying.


During this dummy spit the GOOD PEOPLE OF TAS FECKED OF A POOR GOVT..    

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Like the ELECTION IN SEPT 2013   ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by cods on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:34am

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:29am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:08am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am:
Some food for thought for the terminally-ignorant who seem to think that these marches were of 'no consequence'...

in just about every protest, those who actually do protest are usually only a small subset of those who may support the reason for the protest, but do not actually participate themselves.

Now, to get at least 100,000 people onto the streets in this country is, to say the least, unusual. Especially such a diverse group as this, spread as it was across people of all political persuasions, and all walks and stations of life.

So far, the Right have been trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the news (MSM refuses to cover the marches), minimise the number of people who took part, trivialise their reasons for marching and have made unwarranted personal slurs against the participants.

OK, so given the numbers of those who actually marched, and extrapolating, they could well be looking at over a million people who supported the march and its reasons, but didn't march themselves. And the fact that the Libs didn't win by the huge margin that they claim to have done, and that less than 50,000 votes Australia-wide separated their win from the loss they deserved, the Right dismiss, minimise and ridicule these marchers at their peril.

These people are not 'leftards' or 'ferals'. They are Australians. They care. They are angry. And their numbers are growing. Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?

No consequence?

Only to a fool.

March of no consequence 2014. Dont forget the 2014.



Dear me!!

And I thought Cods was dense...   >:( >:( >:(




rather be dense than a sicko like you....at least I am not full of hatred and venom and bile like you...ugh...

thank god.

warped and bizarre thats the only thing I can call you..

I feel sorry for anyone that even lives near someone as morbidly screwed up as yourself...

you will notice if you can.. I rarely have any comments on you..... I avoid your filth as much as possible..I cannot be bothered with tripe and thats what you spout most of the time..


Title: Re: March in March
Post by cods on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:37am

woody2014 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:33am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:27am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am:
Some food for thought for the terminally-ignorant who seem to think that these marches were of 'no consequence'...

in just about every protest, those who actually do protest are usually only a small subset of those who may support the reason for the protest, but do not actually participate themselves.

Now, to get at least 100,000 people onto the streets in this country is, to say the least, unusual. Especially such a diverse group as this, spread as it was across people of all political persuasions, and all walks and stations of life.

So far, the Right have been trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the news (MSM refuses to cover the marches), minimise the number of people who took part, trivialise their reasons for marching and have made unwarranted personal slurs against the participants.

OK, so given the numbers of those who actually marched, and extrapolating, they could well be looking at over a million people who supported the march and its reasons, but didn't march themselves. And the fact that the Libs didn't win by the huge margin that they claim to have done, and that less than 50,000 votes Australia-wide separated their win from the loss they deserved, the Right dismiss, minimise and ridicule these marchers at their peril.

These people are not 'leftards' or 'ferals'. They are Australians. They care. They are angry. And their numbers are growing. Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?

No consequence?

Only to a fool.


The claims of how many people marched are by the protesters themselves. There is no proof there was 100,000 people. How many people each of them represents is just a wild guess. The idea that 1,000,000 are that angry about this government but as many as 900,000 can't be bothered to even walk down a street does not help the protesters claims. But even if a million people feel the same way, so what? As I said last page, 1.1 million voted for the greens. We already know that there are a lot of people who hate abbott. Why the f*ck should anyone care what a million people in a nation of 23 million want? What do you really think this is going to change? 



The government, eventually.

Then, hopefully, the system that lets a party that has NEVER governed in its
own right get into power by a shady 'coalition' deal.

We don't need a million people to get rid of these pole-smokers, we only need
around 50,000. That's less than half the number who turned out yesterday.

Stop minimalizing and deflecting, and start thinking.

And worrying.


During this dummy spit the GOOD PEOPLE OF TAS FECKED OF A POOR GOVT..    

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Like the ELECTION IN SEPT 2013   ;D ;D ;D




did he say... start thinking..


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


oooooooooh Mr Magoo you did it again...


dont argue with an idiot they bring you down to their level...and this guy really tries hard to bring people down to his level... dont do it.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:42am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:08am:
March of no consequence 2014. Dont forget the 2014.

Do you really think there won't be another one this year?  ;D

You can belittle it all you like but ignore it and the reasons for the protest at your peril.

2014 will also have the winter of discontent - wall to wall Coalition governments doing to the country much the same thing that sex maniacs do to cheap hookers. It won't last. Democratic governments that ignore the people never do.

Victoria are likely to be the first state to throw off the oppressive yoke of conservatism in November when they pass judgement on a bad Coalition government. If the Coalition lose government in Victoria - and the opinion polls suggest it is very likely - that government will be the first one-term government in Victoria since 1950.

If that happens, it will serve as a warning to all first term governments everywhere: you are not guaranteed a second term. Abbott's government is a first term government, and unless they lift their game they will not get another.

That is the message of the protests. The people are paying attention and the people are not happy.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by aquascoot on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:51am

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:42am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:08am:
March of no consequence 2014. Dont forget the 2014.

Do you really think there won't be another one this year?  ;D

You can belittle it all you like but ignore it and the reasons for the protest at your peril.

2014 will also have the winter of discontent - wall to wall Coalition governments doing to the country much the same thing that sex maniacs do to cheap hookers. It won't last. Democratic governments that ignore the people never do.

Victoria are likely to be the first state to throw off the oppressive yoke of conservatism in November when they pass judgement on a bad Coalition government. If the Coalition lose government in Victoria - and the opinion polls suggest it is very likely - that government will be the first one-term government in Victoria since 1950.

If that happens, it will serve as a warning to all first term governments everywhere: you are not guaranteed a second term. Abbott's government is a first term government, and unless they lift their game they will not get another.

That is the message of the protests. The people are paying attention and the people are not happy.



A protest is an echo chamber Bam. Its preaching to the choir.
It is counter productive. Swinging voters see it as immature.
You might even disturb their travel plans or your loud speakers might give them a headache.
really dumb

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:51am

cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:37am:

woody2014 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:33am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:27am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am:
Some food for thought for the terminally-ignorant who seem to think that these marches were of 'no consequence'...

in just about every protest, those who actually do protest are usually only a small subset of those who may support the reason for the protest, but do not actually participate themselves.

Now, to get at least 100,000 people onto the streets in this country is, to say the least, unusual. Especially such a diverse group as this, spread as it was across people of all political persuasions, and all walks and stations of life.

So far, the Right have been trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the news (MSM refuses to cover the marches), minimise the number of people who took part, trivialise their reasons for marching and have made unwarranted personal slurs against the participants.

OK, so given the numbers of those who actually marched, and extrapolating, they could well be looking at over a million people who supported the march and its reasons, but didn't march themselves. And the fact that the Libs didn't win by the huge margin that they claim to have done, and that less than 50,000 votes Australia-wide separated their win from the loss they deserved, the Right dismiss, minimise and ridicule these marchers at their peril.

These people are not 'leftards' or 'ferals'. They are Australians. They care. They are angry. And their numbers are growing. Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?

No consequence?

Only to a fool.


The claims of how many people marched are by the protesters themselves. There is no proof there was 100,000 people. How many people each of them represents is just a wild guess. The idea that 1,000,000 are that angry about this government but as many as 900,000 can't be bothered to even walk down a street does not help the protesters claims. But even if a million people feel the same way, so what? As I said last page, 1.1 million voted for the greens. We already know that there are a lot of people who hate abbott. Why the f*ck should anyone care what a million people in a nation of 23 million want? What do you really think this is going to change? 



The government, eventually.

Then, hopefully, the system that lets a party that has NEVER governed in its
own right get into power by a shady 'coalition' deal.

We don't need a million people to get rid of these pole-smokers, we only need
around 50,000. That's less than half the number who turned out yesterday.

Stop minimalizing and deflecting, and start thinking.

And worrying.


During this dummy spit the GOOD PEOPLE OF TAS FECKED OF A POOR GOVT..    

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Like the ELECTION IN SEPT 2013   ;D ;D ;D




did he say... start thinking..


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


oooooooooh Mr Magoo you did it again...


dont argue with an idiot they bring you down to their level...and this guy really tries hard to bring people down to his level... dont do it.



Precisely why I can't be bothered arguing with you.

You're as thick as a railway sleeper, and twice as dense.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:54am

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:30am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:27am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am:
Some food for thought for the terminally-ignorant who seem to think that these marches were of 'no consequence'...

in just about every protest, those who actually do protest are usually only a small subset of those who may support the reason for the protest, but do not actually participate themselves.

Now, to get at least 100,000 people onto the streets in this country is, to say the least, unusual. Especially such a diverse group as this, spread as it was across people of all political persuasions, and all walks and stations of life.

So far, the Right have been trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the news (MSM refuses to cover the marches), minimise the number of people who took part, trivialise their reasons for marching and have made unwarranted personal slurs against the participants.

OK, so given the numbers of those who actually marched, and extrapolating, they could well be looking at over a million people who supported the march and its reasons, but didn't march themselves. And the fact that the Libs didn't win by the huge margin that they claim to have done, and that less than 50,000 votes Australia-wide separated their win from the loss they deserved, the Right dismiss, minimise and ridicule these marchers at their peril.

These people are not 'leftards' or 'ferals'. They are Australians. They care. They are angry. And their numbers are growing. Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?

No consequence?

Only to a fool.


The claims of how many people marched are by the protesters themselves. There is no proof there was 100,000 people. How many people each of them represents is just a wild guess. The idea that 1,000,000 are that angry about this government but as many as 900,000 can't be bothered to even walk down a street does not help the protesters claims. But even if a million people feel the same way, so what? As I said last page, 1.1 million voted for the greens. We already know that there are a lot of people who hate abbott. Why the f*ck should anyone care what a million people in a nation of 23 million want? What do you really think this is going to change? 



The government, eventually.

Then, hopefully, the system that lets a party that has NEVER governed in its
own right get into power by a shady 'coalition' deal.

We don't need a million people to get rid of these pole-smokers, we only need
around 50,000. That's less than half the number who turned out yesterday.

Stop minimalizing and deflecting, and start thinking.

And worrying.


And how do you come to that conclusion?



I don't need to 'come to the conclusion'.

It's fac.... oh, sorry, I forgot.

You lot don't 'do' facts.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:54am

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:27am:
Then, hopefully, the system that lets a party that has NEVER governed in its
own right get into power by a shady 'coalition' deal.

In the interests of strict accuracy, that's not quite correct.

The Liberal party have won a majority of the seats a few times.

1975: 68/127 = 53.5%
1977: 67/124 = 54.0%
1996: 75/148 = 50.7%

The Liberals also got half the seats once:

2004: 75/150 = 50.0%


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:04am

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:42am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:08am:
March of no consequence 2014. Dont forget the 2014.

Do you really think there won't be another one this year?  ;D

You can belittle it all you like but ignore it and the reasons for the protest at your peril.

2014 will also have the winter of discontent - wall to wall Coalition governments doing to the country much the same thing that sex maniacs do to cheap hookers. It won't last. Democratic governments that ignore the people never do.

Victoria are likely to be the first state to throw off the oppressive yoke of conservatism in November when they pass judgement on a bad Coalition government. If the Coalition lose government in Victoria - and the opinion polls suggest it is very likely - that government will be the first one-term government in Victoria since 1950.

If that happens, it will serve as a warning to all first term governments everywhere: you are not guaranteed a second term. Abbott's government is a first term government, and unless they lift their game they will not get another.

That is the message of the protests. The people are paying attention and the people are not happy.


The people protesting are people who never voted for this government in the first place.

If 100,000 did come out on the weekend, and if those 100,000 were all registered voters, and if all those registered voters all voted for the coalition and had now changed their minds, then maybe you might just have a point. But... there is no actual head count to show that there was 100,000 people, only a claim by the protesters (and even if correct, as it was over two days, some people probably doubled up). Many of the people there were just kids of the people protesting and just following their parents lead. Probably almost none of them voted for the coalition anyway, so this in no way shows a change in the nations attitude towards the government.

The government listened to their people last September. That's why the coalition is in power. The fact that their are thousands (and actually millions) of people don't like that is not news. This march and any future marches won't change anything. Not unless about 12 million people take to the street at once to show that the majority of the country are pissed. A few thousand people in one city here and a few hundred in that town there proves nothing. Seriously do the maths. This was a non event in a nation of 23 million people.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:05am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:51am:
A protest is an echo chamber Bam. Its preaching to the choir.

Believe it all you want. That does not make it true.


Quote:
It is counter productive.

So why did the Liberals and their lackeys organise the Convoy of No Consequence in 2011? Why can we go to pictures of this 2011 protest and play "spot the Liberal"?


Quote:
Swinging voters see it as immature.

How do you know that? You don't. It is rather audacious for you to claim this. You have no idea of the political leanings of every one of those protesters. You have no possible way - no possible way whatsoever - of knowing whether some of those protesters may be swinging voters.

But know this: the swinging voters are paying attention to the Abbott government and they do not like what they see. Do you think a government goes from 53% support to 47% support in less than six months without swinging voters deserting them?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:07am

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:04am:
The people protesting are people who never voted for this government in the first place.

Have you asked every single one of the 100,000 or more protesters that attended if they voted for this government? No, you didn't. Stop making up crap.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:08am

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:04am:

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:42am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:08am:
March of no consequence 2014. Dont forget the 2014.

Do you really think there won't be another one this year?  ;D

You can belittle it all you like but ignore it and the reasons for the protest at your peril.

2014 will also have the winter of discontent - wall to wall Coalition governments doing to the country much the same thing that sex maniacs do to cheap hookers. It won't last. Democratic governments that ignore the people never do.

Victoria are likely to be the first state to throw off the oppressive yoke of conservatism in November when they pass judgement on a bad Coalition government. If the Coalition lose government in Victoria - and the opinion polls suggest it is very likely - that government will be the first one-term government in Victoria since 1950.

If that happens, it will serve as a warning to all first term governments everywhere: you are not guaranteed a second term. Abbott's government is a first term government, and unless they lift their game they will not get another.

That is the message of the protests. The people are paying attention and the people are not happy.


The people protesting are people who never voted for this government in the first place.

If 100,000 did come out on the weekend, and if those 100,000 were all registered voters, and if all those registered voters all voted for the coalition and had now changed their minds, then maybe you might just have a point. But... there is no actual head count to show that there was 100,000 people, only a claim by the protesters (and even if correct, as it was over two days, some people probably doubled up). Many of the people there were just kids of the people protesting and just following their parents lead. Probably almost none of them voted for the coalition anyway, so this in no way shows a change in the nations attitude towards the government.

The government listened to their people last September. That's why the coalition is in power. The fact that their are thousands (and actually millions) of people don't like that is not news. This march and any future marches won't change anything. Not unless about 12 million people take to the street at once to show that the majority of the country are pissed. A few thousand people in one city here and a few hundred in that town there proves nothing. Seriously do the maths. This was a non event in a nation of 23 million people.



Nice attempt at minimalizing and trivialising.

Shame it didn't work.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:14am

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:54am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:27am:
Then, hopefully, the system that lets a party that has NEVER governed in its
own right get into power by a shady 'coalition' deal.

In the interests of strict accuracy, that's not quite correct.

The Liberal party have won a majority of the seats a few times.

1975: 68/127 = 53.5%
1977: 67/124 = 54.0%
1996: 75/148 = 50.7%

The Liberals also got half the seats once:

2004: 75/150 = 50.0%


But how much was Lib, and how much Nats?

They are symbiotic... without each-other, neither would ever attain
power (except, possibly, as a player in a hung parliament).

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Sprintcyclist on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:15am

22.9 million people did not march

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:15am

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:54am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:30am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:27am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am:
Some food for thought for the terminally-ignorant who seem to think that these marches were of 'no consequence'...

in just about every protest, those who actually do protest are usually only a small subset of those who may support the reason for the protest, but do not actually participate themselves.

Now, to get at least 100,000 people onto the streets in this country is, to say the least, unusual. Especially such a diverse group as this, spread as it was across people of all political persuasions, and all walks and stations of life.

So far, the Right have been trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the news (MSM refuses to cover the marches), minimise the number of people who took part, trivialise their reasons for marching and have made unwarranted personal slurs against the participants.

OK, so given the numbers of those who actually marched, and extrapolating, they could well be looking at over a million people who supported the march and its reasons, but didn't march themselves. And the fact that the Libs didn't win by the huge margin that they claim to have done, and that less than 50,000 votes Australia-wide separated their win from the loss they deserved, the Right dismiss, minimise and ridicule these marchers at their peril.

These people are not 'leftards' or 'ferals'. They are Australians. They care. They are angry. And their numbers are growing. Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?

No consequence?

Only to a fool.


The claims of how many people marched are by the protesters themselves. There is no proof there was 100,000 people. How many people each of them represents is just a wild guess. The idea that 1,000,000 are that angry about this government but as many as 900,000 can't be bothered to even walk down a street does not help the protesters claims. But even if a million people feel the same way, so what? As I said last page, 1.1 million voted for the greens. We already know that there are a lot of people who hate abbott. Why the f*ck should anyone care what a million people in a nation of 23 million want? What do you really think this is going to change? 



The government, eventually.

Then, hopefully, the system that lets a party that has NEVER governed in its
own right get into power by a shady 'coalition' deal.

We don't need a million people to get rid of these pole-smokers, we only need
around 50,000. That's less than half the number who turned out yesterday.

Stop minimalizing and deflecting, and start thinking.

And worrying.


And how do you come to that conclusion?



I don't need to 'come to the conclusion'.

It's fac.... oh, sorry, I forgot.

You lot don't 'do' facts.


What "lot" do I fit into exactly? I'm not a liberal voter. I have this crazy system of voting for the local member whether they be labor, liberal, or some independent. Your whole 'you fkwit righties' routine won't work this time.

You can attack everyone who questions you, but the simply fact is that you don't like reality. You seem to live in a crazy delusion that somehow 50,000 people protesting against the government (who probably none of them voted for this government anyway) is enough to change government in a country of 23 million people. We know for a fact that over 7 million people did not vote for the coalition. Why exactly do you think that 50,000 (or even 500,000) protesting is going to change the current government?


Title: Re: March in March
Post by The Grappler 2014 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:26am

http://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/news/a-weekend-of-politics#blog


"Opinion: Has Australia found its voice?

Politics dominated the news this weekend and it looks as though Australians young and old have been only too happy to express their views on leadership and policies.

Often it is those who have the most to lose who shout the loudest. In Tasmania and South Australia the shouting was done at the polls. Over the remainder of the country, it was done on the streets of our cities, with tens of thousands of protestors, young and old, taking aim at the policies which have, or could, hurt them most.

But it was those quietly giving their view over the telephone which surprised me most. Not that they had backed Tony Abbott and his Coalition Government over Labor, but that most seem not to be too fussed about proposed changes to the Age Pension age, Medicare changes and bulk-billing charges for GPs.

The Age/Neilson Poll which was held over the same politically-charged weekend as the state elections and protests, found that 52 per cent of those polled would support a means test to limit Medicare bulk billing. A further 49 per cent backed the co-payment idea of charging those who wish to be bulk-billed. And half of those polled agreed that the Government should act to curb the cost of Medicare.

From these results, it can only be concluded that those who are contacted by pollsters are either pensioners who will not be affected by such changes or, sufficiently well-off so as not to be concerned about how much it costs to visit the GP. The reality of means-testing and the actual implementation of charging extra for bulk-bulling or not offering it at all are quite removed from one and other. Families with two or more children where both parents work may well, on paper, appear to earn enough, but when all the children become sick at once and GPs are charging $65 to see each one, that soon eats into a family’s budget. And a 63-year-old who has not yet qualified for a pension card has to visit a doctor frequently due to chronic illness, may find themselves having to choose between paying a utility bill or missing a doctor’s appointment. Are these the situations we want to create?

So I applaud those who have taken to the streets to voice their concerns about where our health care system is heading, how Medicare changes need to be carefully considered and how our manufacturing industry is being decimated. But to those who give their opinions to pollsters over the phone, perhaps you want to think before you speak.

What are the biggest issues in politics facing Australians at the moment? Do you back changes to Medicare and bulk-billing means testing? Do you think protesting makes a difference?"

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:31am

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:07am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:04am:
The people protesting are people who never voted for this government in the first place.

Have you asked every single one of the 100,000 or more protesters that attended if they voted for this government? No, you didn't. Stop making up crap.


And did you count every head to see if there were in fact 100,000 people marching throughout the country?

Did you check to see that the person protesting in the small town on a Saturday was not also protesting in the city on a Sunday?

Did you check to see if the "100,000" people there was because of a genuine issue with the government and not just some rebels looking for a need to make noise?

No. All you have done is claim that others are too blind to see what is happening here, yet you can't really show how it is actually significant. A claimed 100,000 people including their kids don't like abbott. Again, how exactly is this news when over 7,000,000 registered voters didn't vote for him. Why should even 1,000,000 people make anyone think a change in government is needed when there was over a million people who voted just for the greens? Should we assume that everyone in Australia loves Formula 1 because over 100,000 people were willing to spend 100's and even 1000's of dollars to go watch the race (ignoring all those who just watched it on TV)? 100,000 across Australia means f*ck all.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by dsmithy70 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:40am

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:31am:
No. All you have done is claim that others are too blind to see what is happening here, yet you can't really show how it is actually significant. A claimed 100,000 people including their kids don't like abbott. Again, how exactly is this news when over 7,000,000 registered voters didn't vote for him. Why should even 1,000,000 people make anyone think a change in government is needed when there was over a million people who voted just for the greens? Should we assume that everyone in Australia loves Formula 1 because over 100,000 people were willing to spend 100's and even 1000's of dollars to go watch the race (ignoring all those who just watched it on TV)? 100,000 across Australia means f*ck all.



But apparently 350 pensioners bused for free from Syd + maybe 50 truckies was a huge community protest against the last government. :o

Title: Re: March in March
Post by woody2013 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:44am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:31am:
No. All you have done is claim that others are too blind to see what is happening here, yet you can't really show how it is actually significant. A claimed 100,000 people including their kids don't like abbott. Again, how exactly is this news when over 7,000,000 registered voters didn't vote for him. Why should even 1,000,000 people make anyone think a change in government is needed when there was over a million people who voted just for the greens? Should we assume that everyone in Australia loves Formula 1 because over 100,000 people were willing to spend 100's and even 1000's of dollars to go watch the race (ignoring all those who just watched it on TV)? 100,000 across Australia means f*ck all.



But apparently 350 pensioners bused for free from Syd + maybe 50 truckies was a huge community protest against the last government. :o

Hundreds march on Parliament House against government policies
Updated 26 minutes ago

Protester Ellen Waters
PHOTO: Canberran Ellen Waters is one of hundreds of protesters taking part in the march. (ABC News: Kathleen Dyett)
MAP: ACT
Hundreds of people are marching through Canberra to protest against Federal Government policies and decisions.

It is the final planned gathering for the March in March protests which attracted thousands of Australians in Melbourne, Hobart and Sydney on Sunday.

Today protesters are making their way from Queen Victoria Terrace to Parliament House to deliver a motion of no confidence in the Abbott Government.

"It's a statement of dissatisfaction in the way this government is governing our country," organiser Loz Lawry said.

"We would like to start a national debate and raise awareness t

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Title: Re: March in March
Post by cods on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:54am

woody2014 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:44am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:31am:
No. All you have done is claim that others are too blind to see what is happening here, yet you can't really show how it is actually significant. A claimed 100,000 people including their kids don't like abbott. Again, how exactly is this news when over 7,000,000 registered voters didn't vote for him. Why should even 1,000,000 people make anyone think a change in government is needed when there was over a million people who voted just for the greens? Should we assume that everyone in Australia loves Formula 1 because over 100,000 people were willing to spend 100's and even 1000's of dollars to go watch the race (ignoring all those who just watched it on TV)? 100,000 across Australia means f*ck all.



But apparently 350 pensioners bused for free from Syd + maybe 50 truckies was a huge community protest against the last government. :o

Hundreds march on Parliament House against government policies
Updated 26 minutes ago

Protester Ellen Waters
PHOTO: Canberran Ellen Waters is one of hundreds of protesters taking part in the march. (ABC News: Kathleen Dyett)
MAP: ACT
Hundreds of people are marching through Canberra to protest against Federal Government policies and decisions.

It is the final planned gathering for the March in March protests which attracted thousands of Australians in Melbourne, Hobart and Sydney on Sunday.

Today protesters are making their way from Queen Victoria Terrace to Parliament House to deliver a motion of no confidence in the Abbott Government.

"It's a statement of dissatisfaction in the way this government is governing our country," organiser Loz Lawry said.

"We would like to start a national debate and raise awareness t

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DHUNDREDS ,,  HUNDREDS ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D




ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..

gawd and I missed it...HUNDREDS....thats a lot init?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 17th, 2014 at 11:09am

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:42am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:08am:
March of no consequence 2014. Dont forget the 2014.

Do you really think there won't be another one this year?  ;D

You can belittle it all you like but ignore it and the reasons for the protest at your peril.

2014 will also have the winter of discontent - wall to wall Coalition governments doing to the country much the same thing that sex maniacs do to cheap hookers. It won't last. Democratic governments that ignore the people never do.

Victoria are likely to be the first state to throw off the oppressive yoke of conservatism in November when they pass judgement on a bad Coalition government. If the Coalition lose government in Victoria - and the opinion polls suggest it is very likely - that government will be the first one-term government in Victoria since 1950.

If that happens, it will serve as a warning to all first term governments everywhere: you are not guaranteed a second term. Abbott's government is a first term government, and unless they lift their game they will not get another.

That is the message of the protests. The people are paying attention and the people are not happy.

A bit of math for you. 0=0. You can have a hundred march's of no consequence. They still = no consequense.

I look forwardcto you all getting out in this climate change ;)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 17th, 2014 at 11:18am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:31am:
No. All you have done is claim that others are too blind to see what is happening here, yet you can't really show how it is actually significant. A claimed 100,000 people including their kids don't like abbott. Again, how exactly is this news when over 7,000,000 registered voters didn't vote for him. Why should even 1,000,000 people make anyone think a change in government is needed when there was over a million people who voted just for the greens? Should we assume that everyone in Australia loves Formula 1 because over 100,000 people were willing to spend 100's and even 1000's of dollars to go watch the race (ignoring all those who just watched it on TV)? 100,000 across Australia means f*ck all.



But apparently 350 pensioners bused for free from Syd + maybe 50 truckies was a huge community protest against the last government. :o


Your comment would have relevance if I was a rusted on liberal voter who cheered for joy over that joke of a protest. Instead, I didn't vote for this government just like I didn't vote for the last one. I found the truck convoy to Canberra to be ridiculous and I didn't find last weekend anymore worthy. 

Title: Re: March in March
Post by dsmithy70 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 11:22am

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 11:18am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:31am:
No. All you have done is claim that others are too blind to see what is happening here, yet you can't really show how it is actually significant. A claimed 100,000 people including their kids don't like abbott. Again, how exactly is this news when over 7,000,000 registered voters didn't vote for him. Why should even 1,000,000 people make anyone think a change in government is needed when there was over a million people who voted just for the greens? Should we assume that everyone in Australia loves Formula 1 because over 100,000 people were willing to spend 100's and even 1000's of dollars to go watch the race (ignoring all those who just watched it on TV)? 100,000 across Australia means f*ck all.



But apparently 350 pensioners bused for free from Syd + maybe 50 truckies was a huge community protest against the last government. :o


Your comment would have relevance if I was a rusted on liberal voter who cheered for joy over that joke of a protest. Instead, I didn't vote for this government just like I didn't vote for the last one. I found the truck convoy to Canberra to be ridiculous and I didn't find last weekend anymore worthy. 


Fair enough.

I also happen to agree both marches will achieve the same outcome S.F.A

However my point was not entirely aimed at you, according to the media the 2GB protest was worthy of almost 2 weeks of headlines, I doubt whether we'll even see this tomorrow.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 11:38am

woody2014 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:44am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:31am:
No. All you have done is claim that others are too blind to see what is happening here, yet you can't really show how it is actually significant. A claimed 100,000 people including their kids don't like abbott. Again, how exactly is this news when over 7,000,000 registered voters didn't vote for him. Why should even 1,000,000 people make anyone think a change in government is needed when there was over a million people who voted just for the greens? Should we assume that everyone in Australia loves Formula 1 because over 100,000 people were willing to spend 100's and even 1000's of dollars to go watch the race (ignoring all those who just watched it on TV)? 100,000 across Australia means f*ck all.



But apparently 350 pensioners bused for free from Syd + maybe 50 truckies was a huge community protest against the last government. :o

Hundreds march on Parliament House against government policies
Updated 26 minutes ago

Protester Ellen Waters
PHOTO: Canberran Ellen Waters is one of hundreds of protesters taking part in the march. (ABC News: Kathleen Dyett)
MAP: ACT
Hundreds of people are marching through Canberra to protest against Federal Government policies and decisions.

It is the final planned gathering for the March in March protests which attracted thousands of Australians in Melbourne, Hobart and Sydney on Sunday.

Today protesters are making their way from Queen Victoria Terrace to Parliament House to deliver a motion of no confidence in the Abbott Government.

"It's a statement of dissatisfaction in the way this government is governing our country," organiser Loz Lawry said.

"We would like to start a national debate and raise awareness t

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DHUNDREDS ,,  HUNDREDS ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Quite a few 'hundreds' too, by the look of it.

And it's only just started.

Don't believe the MSM bullsh1t about small turnouts. it's a lie.

The more the right try to minimalise or trivialise this, the more foolish and ignorant they show themselves to be.
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Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 17th, 2014 at 11:51am

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 11:38am:

woody2014 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:44am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:31am:
No. All you have done is claim that others are too blind to see what is happening here, yet you can't really show how it is actually significant. A claimed 100,000 people including their kids don't like abbott. Again, how exactly is this news when over 7,000,000 registered voters didn't vote for him. Why should even 1,000,000 people make anyone think a change in government is needed when there was over a million people who voted just for the greens? Should we assume that everyone in Australia loves Formula 1 because over 100,000 people were willing to spend 100's and even 1000's of dollars to go watch the race (ignoring all those who just watched it on TV)? 100,000 across Australia means f*ck all.



But apparently 350 pensioners bused for free from Syd + maybe 50 truckies was a huge community protest against the last government. :o

Hundreds march on Parliament House against government policies
Updated 26 minutes ago

Protester Ellen Waters
PHOTO: Canberran Ellen Waters is one of hundreds of protesters taking part in the march. (ABC News: Kathleen Dyett)
MAP: ACT
Hundreds of people are marching through Canberra to protest against Federal Government policies and decisions.

It is the final planned gathering for the March in March protests which attracted thousands of Australians in Melbourne, Hobart and Sydney on Sunday.

Today protesters are making their way from Queen Victoria Terrace to Parliament House to deliver a motion of no confidence in the Abbott Government.

"It's a statement of dissatisfaction in the way this government is governing our country," organiser Loz Lawry said.

"We would like to start a national debate and raise awareness t

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DHUNDREDS ,,  HUNDREDS ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Quite a few 'hundreds' too, by the look of it.

And it's only just started.

Don't believe the MSM bullsh1t about small turnouts. it's a lie.

The more the right try to minimalise or trivialise this, the more foolish and ignorant they show themselves to be.


No, the more you try to make out that this means anything the more disconnected you show yourself to be.

Again, how do you think this will change anything?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 17th, 2014 at 11:59am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 11:22am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 11:18am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:31am:
No. All you have done is claim that others are too blind to see what is happening here, yet you can't really show how it is actually significant. A claimed 100,000 people including their kids don't like abbott. Again, how exactly is this news when over 7,000,000 registered voters didn't vote for him. Why should even 1,000,000 people make anyone think a change in government is needed when there was over a million people who voted just for the greens? Should we assume that everyone in Australia loves Formula 1 because over 100,000 people were willing to spend 100's and even 1000's of dollars to go watch the race (ignoring all those who just watched it on TV)? 100,000 across Australia means f*ck all.



But apparently 350 pensioners bused for free from Syd + maybe 50 truckies was a huge community protest against the last government. :o


Your comment would have relevance if I was a rusted on liberal voter who cheered for joy over that joke of a protest. Instead, I didn't vote for this government just like I didn't vote for the last one. I found the truck convoy to Canberra to be ridiculous and I didn't find last weekend anymore worthy. 


Fair enough.

I also happen to agree both marches will achieve the same outcome S.F.A

However my point was not entirely aimed at you, according to the media the 2GB protest was worthy of almost 2 weeks of headlines, I doubt whether we'll even see this tomorrow.


Yeah it has been quiet on the media front. But I think that is more because Labor have wisely keep them self well away from it, while Abbott (foolishly) addressing the crowds added fuel to the fire. The issue of the ditch the witch sign also made it a big issue. This was a fairly quiet political event (even if it is a political protest at its core) that is also being somewhat overshadowed by two state elections. 

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:00pm
Moratoriums, described by Snedden as “bikies packraping democracy” got us out of Viet Nam and ended conscription. It also ended 23 years of Liberal rule.

This one showed a lot of people are upset at the idiocy of the simian and shambles. If Hokey produces an austerity Budget the next March will number in hundreds of thousands. This was not a March to topple a govt, it was a March to protest already many broken promises, like Gonski.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:11pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:00pm:
Moratoriums, described by Snedden as “bikies packraping democracy” got us out of Viet Nam and ended conscription. It also ended 23 years of Liberal rule.

This one showed a lot of people are upset at the idiocy of the simian and shambles. If Hokey produces an austerity Budget the next March will number in hundreds of thousands. This was not a March to topple a govt, it was a March to protest already many broken promises, like Gonski.


This was not about a war or any one issue. It was a whole lot of complaining about many things neither unique to this government (no gay marriage) or anything to even do with this government (NSA spying). The only thing that all these complainers had in common was that they hate Abbott. We know that over 7,000,000 people did not vote for this government. Why do you think 100,000 of them marching to show their disapproval of him will change anything? There was that many people just at the F1 race. The opinions of 100,000 in a democracy of 23,000,000 means very little when it comes to making a change of government.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by The Grappler 2014 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 1:14pm
“Any man more right than his neighbors constitutes a majority of one already.”   - Henry David Thoreau.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 17th, 2014 at 2:26pm

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:54am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:27am:
Then, hopefully, the system that lets a party that has NEVER governed in its
own right get into power by a shady 'coalition' deal.

In the interests of strict accuracy, that's not quite correct.

The Liberal party have won a majority of the seats a few times.

1975: 68/127 = 53.5%
1977: 67/124 = 54.0%
1996: 75/148 = 50.7%

The Liberals also got half the seats once:

2004: 75/150 = 50.0%


But how much was Lib, and how much Nats?

The seat numbers quoted are the number that the Liberal Party won. Nationals won additional seats.


Quote:
They are symbiotic... without each-other, neither would ever attain
power (except, possibly, as a player in a hung parliament).

To be fair, the Coalition are four separate parties, not two:
* Liberal Party
* National Party
* Liberal National Party (Queensland)
* Country Liberal Party (Northern Territory)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:23pm

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:54am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:27am:
Then, hopefully, the system that lets a party that has NEVER governed in its
own right get into power by a shady 'coalition' deal.

In the interests of strict accuracy, that's not quite correct.

The Liberal party have won a majority of the seats a few times.

1975: 68/127 = 53.5%
1977: 67/124 = 54.0%
1996: 75/148 = 50.7%

The Liberals also got half the seats once:

2004: 75/150 = 50.0%


But how much was Lib, and how much Nats?

The seat numbers quoted are the number that the Liberal Party won. Nationals won additional seats.


Quote:
They are symbiotic... without each-other, neither would ever attain
power (except, possibly, as a player in a hung parliament).

To be fair, the Coalition are four separate parties, not two:
* Liberal Party
* National Party
* Liberal National Party (Queensland)
* Country Liberal Party (Northern Territory)


Not that any of that matters anyway. This is like if a rugby team loses by three points and their fans claim that had the referee not disallowed a try in the first half they would have won. Of course had he allowed the try, the game would have had a completely different play.

Politics is not that much different. Had the Liberals and Nationals separated in the past then we would have had a very different outcome last election. The Liberal party would have had candidates running for seats against the National party were at the moment they don't. People also know that a vote for the Nationals is essentially a vote to Abbott. If there was no coalition then a lot of National votes would have been swapped for Liberal ones by voters. As the Liberal party and National party do not form a minority government after an election, but instead are in a coalition before an election, it's impossible to look back at past elections and know for sure how people would have voted. Counting seats from previous selections doesn't prove anything.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:31pm

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:27am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:25am:
Some food for thought for the terminally-ignorant who seem to think that these marches were of 'no consequence'...

in just about every protest, those who actually do protest are usually only a small subset of those who may support the reason for the protest, but do not actually participate themselves.

Now, to get at least 100,000 people onto the streets in this country is, to say the least, unusual. Especially such a diverse group as this, spread as it was across people of all political persuasions, and all walks and stations of life.

So far, the Right have been trying, unsuccessfully, to hide the news (MSM refuses to cover the marches), minimise the number of people who took part, trivialise their reasons for marching and have made unwarranted personal slurs against the participants.

OK, so given the numbers of those who actually marched, and extrapolating, they could well be looking at over a million people who supported the march and its reasons, but didn't march themselves. And the fact that the Libs didn't win by the huge margin that they claim to have done, and that less than 50,000 votes Australia-wide separated their win from the loss they deserved, the Right dismiss, minimise and ridicule these marchers at their peril.

These people are not 'leftards' or 'ferals'. They are Australians. They care. They are angry. And their numbers are growing. Do you righties really think that, now they've 'had their dummy-spit', they're simply going to go away?

No consequence?

Only to a fool.


The claims of how many people marched are by the protesters themselves. There is no proof there was 100,000 people. How many people each of them represents is just a wild guess. The idea that 1,000,000 are that angry about this government but as many as 900,000 can't be bothered to even walk down a street does not help the protesters claims. But even if a million people feel the same way, so what? As I said last page, 1.1 million voted for the greens. We already know that there are a lot of people who hate abbott. Why the f*ck should anyone care what a million people in a nation of 23 million want? What do you really think this is going to change? 



The government, eventually.

Then, hopefully, the system that lets a party that has NEVER governed in its
own right get into power by a shady 'coalition' deal.

We don't need a million people to get rid of these pole-smokers, we only need
around 50,000. That's less than half the number who turned out yesterday.

Stop minimalizing and deflecting, and start thinking.

And worrying.


that would be easy to fix.  eliminate preferential voting and bring in first past the post.  the libs will win a majority in their own right and labor will probably never ever win govt again since they rely on green preferences for 1/3 of their seats.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:34pm

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:42am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:08am:
March of no consequence 2014. Dont forget the 2014.

Do you really think there won't be another one this year?  ;D

You can belittle it all you like but ignore it and the reasons for the protest at your peril.

2014 will also have the winter of discontent - wall to wall Coalition governments doing to the country much the same thing that sex maniacs do to cheap hookers. It won't last. Democratic governments that ignore the people never do.

Victoria are likely to be the first state to throw off the oppressive yoke of conservatism in November when they pass judgement on a bad Coalition government. If the Coalition lose government in Victoria - and the opinion polls suggest it is very likely - that government will be the first one-term government in Victoria since 1950.

If that happens, it will serve as a warning to all first term governments everywhere: you are not guaranteed a second term. Abbott's government is a first term government, and unless they lift their game they will not get another.

That is the message of the protests. The people are paying attention and the people are not happy.



its nothing more than a few professional whingers complaining that their right to control the govt has been usurped by voters.  people without the moral backbone to accept that they lost the election in a landslide.

the more it goes on the more people are mocking the likes of you.  You cannot even identify policies or actions that people are complaining ab out - just 'I hate abbott'

all you do is give people a clarion call to vote liberal and distance themselves from you lot of mean-spirited, small-minded losers.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:36pm

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:07am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:04am:
The people protesting are people who never voted for this government in the first place.

Have you asked every single one of the 100,000 or more protesters that attended if they voted for this government? No, you didn't. Stop making up crap.


and likewise back to you.  the evidence of history is on our side.  histrionics is the only thing on yours.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:37pm

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:54am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:27am:
Then, hopefully, the system that lets a party that has NEVER governed in its
own right get into power by a shady 'coalition' deal.

In the interests of strict accuracy, that's not quite correct.

The Liberal party have won a majority of the seats a few times.

1975: 68/127 = 53.5%
1977: 67/124 = 54.0%
1996: 75/148 = 50.7%

The Liberals also got half the seats once:

2004: 75/150 = 50.0%


But how much was Lib, and how much Nats?

They are symbiotic... without each-other, neither would ever attain
power (except, possibly, as a player in a hung parliament).


they were ALL libs you freaking dolt!  that was the point of the post.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:38pm

woody2014 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:44am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:40am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:31am:
No. All you have done is claim that others are too blind to see what is happening here, yet you can't really show how it is actually significant. A claimed 100,000 people including their kids don't like abbott. Again, how exactly is this news when over 7,000,000 registered voters didn't vote for him. Why should even 1,000,000 people make anyone think a change in government is needed when there was over a million people who voted just for the greens? Should we assume that everyone in Australia loves Formula 1 because over 100,000 people were willing to spend 100's and even 1000's of dollars to go watch the race (ignoring all those who just watched it on TV)? 100,000 across Australia means f*ck all.



But apparently 350 pensioners bused for free from Syd + maybe 50 truckies was a huge community protest against the last government. :o

Hundreds march on Parliament House against government policies
Updated 26 minutes ago

Protester Ellen Waters
PHOTO: Canberran Ellen Waters is one of hundreds of protesters taking part in the march. (ABC News: Kathleen Dyett)
MAP: ACT
Hundreds of people are marching through Canberra to protest against Federal Government policies and decisions.

It is the final planned gathering for the March in March protests which attracted thousands of Australians in Melbourne, Hobart and Sydney on Sunday.

Today protesters are making their way from Queen Victoria Terrace to Parliament House to deliver a motion of no confidence in the Abbott Government.

"It's a statement of dissatisfaction in the way this government is governing our country," organiser Loz Lawry said.

"We would like to start a national debate and raise awareness t

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DHUNDREDS ,,  HUNDREDS ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


hundreds.... half the churches in the country get that many or more. each of them.



Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:40pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:00pm:
Moratoriums, described by Snedden as “bikies packraping democracy” got us out of Viet Nam and ended conscription. It also ended 23 years of Liberal rule.

This one showed a lot of people are upset at the idiocy of the simian and shambles. If Hokey produces an austerity Budget the next March will number in hundreds of thousands. This was not a March to topple a govt, it was a March to protest already many broken promises, like Gonski.



the moratoriums had MILLLIONS at the marches -  out of a population of 12million.  it had substance.

this had zero substance.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by John Smith on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:41pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:38pm:
hundreds.... half the churches in the country get that many or more. each of them.


so your saying that their resentment of Abbott is akin to a religious experience?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:43pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:38pm:
hundreds.... half the churches in the country get that many or more. each of them.

Once again you can't help yourself - telling lies and not bothering to check the facts.

50,000 people in Melbourne - of course the lying Murdoch press will call that "hundreds" and so mislead.

If it really was hundreds, the Reich wouldn't need to get their knickers in a knot and posting in this thread so much to try to talk it down.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:44pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:54am:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:27am:
Then, hopefully, the system that lets a party that has NEVER governed in its
own right get into power by a shady 'coalition' deal.

In the interests of strict accuracy, that's not quite correct.

The Liberal party have won a majority of the seats a few times.

1975: 68/127 = 53.5%
1977: 67/124 = 54.0%
1996: 75/148 = 50.7%

The Liberals also got half the seats once:

2004: 75/150 = 50.0%


But how much was Lib, and how much Nats?

The seat numbers quoted are the number that the Liberal Party won. Nationals won additional seats.


Quote:
They are symbiotic... without each-other, neither would ever attain
power (except, possibly, as a player in a hung parliament).

To be fair, the Coalition are four separate parties, not two:
* Liberal Party
* National Party
* Liberal National Party (Queensland)
* Country Liberal Party (Northern Territory)


Not that any of that matters anyway. This is like if a rugby team loses by three points and their fans claim that had the referee not disallowed a try in the first half they would have won. Of course had he allowed the try, the game would have had a completely different play.

Politics is not that much different. Had the Liberals and Nationals separated in the past then we would have had a very different outcome last election. The Liberal party would have had candidates running for seats against the National party were at the moment they don't. People also know that a vote for the Nationals is essentially a vote to Abbott. If there was no coalition then a lot of National votes would have been swapped for Liberal ones by voters. As the Liberal party and National party do not form a minority government after an election, but instead are in a coalition before an election, it's impossible to look back at past elections and know for sure how people would have voted. Counting seats from previous selections doesn't prove anything.


exactly.  if we had FPTP voting the first thing the libs and nats would do is combine or formulate plans to definitely not compete against each other.  not that it matters since the ALP would be destroyed since that are far behind the coalition in primary votes.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:46pm

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:38pm:
hundreds.... half the churches in the country get that many or more. each of them.

Once again you can't help yourself - telling lies and not bothering to check the facts.

50,000 people in Melbourne - of course the lying Murdoch press will call that "hundreds" and so mislead.

If it really was hundreds, the Reich wouldn't need to get their knickers in a knot and posting in this thread so much to try to talk it down.


50,000... a curiously round number this meaning it was an estimate by people who are notorious at getting it wrong.  crowd numbers at events without tickets seem to vary by two orders of magnitude depending on whether you like the event or not.

and in any case.  we had a an election to solve these issues.  you and your kind are just the usual band of sore losers.  it never changes.  you complain when you lose... EVERY TIME.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:47pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:36pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:07am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:04am:
The people protesting are people who never voted for this government in the first place.

Have you asked every single one of the 100,000 or more protesters that attended if they voted for this government? No, you didn't. Stop making up crap.

and likewise back to you.

Ah, I see longy has posted with all the grace of a drive-by shooting in his usual style.


Quote:
the evidence of history is on our side.

More lies. What evidence? Your handwaving isn't evidence. You never back up your drive-by posting with evidence.


Quote:
histrionics is the only thing on yours.

You saying it does not make it true.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:38pm:
hundreds.... half the churches in the country get that many or more. each of them.

Once again you can't help yourself - telling lies and not bothering to check the facts.

50,000 people in Melbourne - of course the lying Murdoch press will call that "hundreds" and so mislead.

If it really was hundreds, the Reich wouldn't need to get their knickers in a knot and posting in this thread so much to try to talk it down.


50,000... a curiously round number

Yes. It's called an ESTIMATE. Go and look it up.


Quote:
this meaning it was an estimate by people who are notorious at getting it wrong.  crowd numbers at events without tickets seem to vary by two orders of magnitude depending on whether you like the event or not.

Today's bogus made-up rubbish from longy is the "two orders of magnitude" rubbish with no supporting evidence.

When are you going to stop making up lies, longy?


Quote:
and in any case.  we had a an election to solve these issues.  you and your kind are just the usual band of sore losers.  it never changes.  you complain when you lose... EVERY TIME.

And the Reich did not? Convoy of no consequence? Making up rabid bulldust about illegitimate governments? You can dish it out but you sure as hell cannot take it.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 5:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:40pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:00pm:
Moratoriums, described by Snedden as “bikies packraping democracy” got us out of Viet Nam and ended conscription. It also ended 23 years of Liberal rule.

This one showed a lot of people are upset at the idiocy of the simian and shambles. If Hokey produces an austerity Budget the next March will number in hundreds of thousands. This was not a March to topple a govt, it was a March to protest already many broken promises, like Gonski.



the moratoriums had MILLLIONS at the marches -  out of a population of 12million.  it had substance.

this had zero substance.



Garbage, and it's already been explained why. More than once.

Do you really think all these people will all go away now?

Do you really think their numbers won't grow?

The Libs are 'on the nose' and the stench is growing stronger by the day.

No, you ignore, minimalise and dismiss these marches at your peril, and the
more you try to denigrate the marchers and their supporters, the bigger fools
you look.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 17th, 2014 at 5:07pm
Longliar makes  it up as he goes along, no wonder he is single. ;D ;D ;D pass the duchy from da left hand side maaaan.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 17th, 2014 at 5:08pm

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:47pm:
Ah, I see longy has posted with all the grace of a drive-by shooting in his usual style.


Drive by shooting! That's what we needed. Apparently there were 50,000* targets just in Melbourne Alone.






* Disclaimer: Number are most likely just made up BS. Expect real number of targets to be considerably lower. No refund on excess ammunition purchased for the cleansing. 

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:04pm

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:07am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:04am:
The people protesting are people who never voted for this government in the first place.

Have you asked every single one of the 100,000 or more protesters that attended if they voted for this government? No, you didn't. Stop making up crap.

Honestly...  how many people that voted the Coalition in would after 6 months of government, stymied in the Senate by the losers who claim they have a mandate  ::) ::) ::) be protesting against it or in particular Abbott...   :D  that's just a crazy proposition.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:05pm

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:40pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 12:00pm:
Moratoriums, described by Snedden as “bikies packraping democracy” got us out of Viet Nam and ended conscription. It also ended 23 years of Liberal rule.

This one showed a lot of people are upset at the idiocy of the simian and shambles. If Hokey produces an austerity Budget the next March will number in hundreds of thousands. This was not a March to topple a govt, it was a March to protest already many broken promises, like Gonski.



the moratoriums had MILLLIONS at the marches -  out of a population of 12million.  it had substance.

this had zero substance.



Garbage, and it's already been explained why. More than once.

Do you really think all these people will all go away now?

Do you really think their numbers won't grow?

The Libs are 'on the nose' and the stench is growing stronger by the day.

No, you ignore, minimalise and dismiss these marches at your peril, and the
more you try to denigrate the marchers and their supporters, the bigger fools
you look.



as quantum has already pointed out 7million voted against tony at the election.  that 50000 (very generous estimate) choose to march because they cant handle the democratic concept of elections is pretty meaningless. actually, TOTALLY meaningless.  for example the Lismore march was actually about CGS and not Abbott anyhow.  it was a march of no consequence.  Every time the unions or lefties get their knickers in a knot it is out to march in the streets while the govts of both persuasions generally ignore them - as they should.

and Kat, you are just a hater of pretty much everything and everyone and it makes you look very, very bad.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:06pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 5:08pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 4:47pm:
Ah, I see longy has posted with all the grace of a drive-by shooting in his usual style.


Drive by shooting! That's what we needed. Apparently there were 50,000* targets just in Melbourne Alone.






* Disclaimer: Number are most likely just made up BS. Expect real number of targets to be considerably lower. No refund on excess ammunition purchased for the cleansing. 


you could nuke the march and not hit a coalition voter.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by aquascoot on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:30pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:07am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:04am:
The people protesting are people who never voted for this government in the first place.

Have you asked every single one of the 100,000 or more protesters that attended if they voted for this government? No, you didn't. Stop making up crap.

Honestly...  how many people that voted the Coalition in would after 6 months of government, stymied in the Senate by the losers who claim they have a mandate  ::) ::) ::) be protesting against it or in particular Abbott...   :D  that's just a crazy proposition.


indeed, preaching to the choir , mr bam.  its almost incestuous.
labor and the greens would do well to head to suburbia and go to a few back yard barbies and get more wired in to community sentiment. This , of course, will never happen.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:10pm
A 'couple of hundred ferals, extremists and ratbags', eh?

Sydney, yesterday.

Get worried, fools...
March_Sydney.jpg (50 KB | 27 )

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:12pm
http://www.news.com.au/national/too-young-for-an-fbomb-protest-schoolgirl-hope-jenkins-father-doesnt-think-so/story-fncynjr2-1226857397628

Like I've said elsewhere...  pig ignorant wankers.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:28pm
And in Melbourne...
March_Melbourne.jpg (162 KB | 26 )

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:31pm

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:28pm:
And in Melbourne...

MFM (March for Murder 2014)

Its good to see a few hundred people calling for murder in our glorious climate change.

March of no consequence, except for the person they are calling to have murdered.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by rabbitoh08 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:45pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:28pm:
And in Melbourne...

MFM (March for Murder 2014)

Its good to see a few hundred people calling for murder in our glorious climate change.

March of no consequence, except for the person they are calling to have murdered.

Who did they call to have murdered?

Did they want someone tied in a chaff bag and towed out to sea?

Who?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:46pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:45pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:28pm:
And in Melbourne...

MFM (March for Murder 2014)

Its good to see a few hundred people calling for murder in our glorious climate change.

March of no consequence, except for the person they are calling to have murdered.

Who did they call to have murdered?

Did they want someone tied in a chaff bag and towed out to sea?

Who?

Marxist marching for murder and the abolition of democracy


Title: Re: March in March
Post by rabbitoh08 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:52pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:45pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:28pm:
And in Melbourne...

MFM (March for Murder 2014)

Its good to see a few hundred people calling for murder in our glorious climate change.

March of no consequence, except for the person they are calling to have murdered.

Who did they call to have murdered?

Did they want someone tied in a chaff bag and towed out to sea?

Who?

Marxist marching for murder and the abolition of democracy


Who did they call to have murdered?

Did they want someone tied in a chaff bag and towed out to sea?

Who?

Don't you have an answer?

Or do you just want you show us Andrew Bolt's photos because you think he's hot?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 8:57pm
Another 'handful of ferals'... Adelaide, this time.
March_Adelaide.jpg (81 KB | 28 )

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:31pm
DHead alert. Try not to laugh at this idiot.

March in March organiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjaM3Iegw7M

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:55pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
DHead alert. Try not to laugh at this idiot.

March in March organiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjaM3Iegw7M



Saw that already. Laughed my ass off.

The only idiot there is the fool of an interviewer. What a goose!!

He hasn't a clue, and doesn't even listen to the guy's answers.

Tries constantly to pull the discussion off-topic, and drops denigratory comments constantly.

IMO the guy would have been perfectly justified if he'd waited till the camera was off, and clocked the ignorant fool.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:13pm

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:55pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
DHead alert. Try not to laugh at this idiot.

March in March organiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjaM3Iegw7M



Saw that already. Laughed my ass off.

The only idiot there is the fool of an interviewer. What a goose!!

He hasn't a clue, and doesn't even listen to the guy's answers.

Tries constantly to pull the discussion off-topic, and drops denigratory comments constantly.

IMO the guy would have been perfectly justified if he'd waited till the camera was off, and clocked the ignorant fool.

lol the guy, the so called organiser of the march, was an absolute goose. He couldn't answer one question straight and ber ber ber ummm on to some other conspirynut subject.

The march of no consequence or march for murder, whatever it was, was about nothing of central importance, except to murder someone maybe.

If you think a march on 1000 different subjects is the way to go. Your a tool.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by rabbitoh08 on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:44pm

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:55pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
DHead alert. Try not to laugh at this idiot.

March in March organiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjaM3Iegw7M



Saw that already. Laughed my ass off.

The only idiot there is the fool of an interviewer. What a goose!!

He hasn't a clue, and doesn't even listen to the guy's answers.

Tries constantly to pull the discussion off-topic, and drops denigratory comments constantly.

IMO the guy would have been perfectly justified if he'd waited till the camera was off, and clocked the ignorant fool.

I didn't recognise that interviewer without his dog

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 18th, 2014 at 12:10am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
DHead alert. Try not to laugh at this idiot.

March in March organiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjaM3Iegw7M


Holy bugger. Unbelievable. It is not just the stupidity of that guy that amazes me, but that I couldn't tell the difference between his words and the words of several members on this forum. "We are thinking people"... "Laying waste" and "wrecking crew"... Who does that sound like? Interesting that those who accuse others of being brainwashed and sheeple sound so much like this organiser for an anti Abbott march.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 18th, 2014 at 2:26am
Wow, that interviewer was amazingly stupid—Sky does seem to attract the dumb ones!

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 18th, 2014 at 5:58am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:55pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
DHead alert. Try not to laugh at this idiot.

March in March organiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjaM3Iegw7M



Saw that already. Laughed my ass off.

The only idiot there is the fool of an interviewer. What a goose!!

He hasn't a clue, and doesn't even listen to the guy's answers.

Tries constantly to pull the discussion off-topic, and drops denigratory comments constantly.

IMO the guy would have been perfectly justified if he'd waited till the camera was off, and clocked the ignorant fool.

lol the guy, the so called organiser of the march, was an absolute goose. He couldn't answer one question straight and ber ber ber ummm on to some other conspirynut subject.

The march of no consequence or march for murder, whatever it was, was about nothing of central importance, except to murder someone maybe.

If you think a march on 1000 different subjects is the way to go. Your a tool.



You must have listened to a different interview.

Or you're simply an idiot.

One or the other.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:03am

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 12:10am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
DHead alert. Try not to laugh at this idiot.

March in March organiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjaM3Iegw7M


Holy bugger. Unbelievable. It is not just the stupidity of that guy that amazes me, but that I couldn't tell the difference between his words and the words of several members on this forum. "We are thinking people"... "Laying waste" and "wrecking crew"... Who does that sound like? Interesting that those who accuse others of being brainwashed and sheeple sound so much like this organiser for an anti Abbott march.



It wasn't an 'anti-Abbott march', it was an anti-asshole, pro-democracy and rights march.

Learn the difference.

Actually, if you think this mob are NOT fascists, don't bother. You'll never learn.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:28am

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:03am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 12:10am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
DHead alert. Try not to laugh at this idiot.

March in March organiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjaM3Iegw7M


Holy bugger. Unbelievable. It is not just the stupidity of that guy that amazes me, but that I couldn't tell the difference between his words and the words of several members on this forum. "We are thinking people"... "Laying waste" and "wrecking crew"... Who does that sound like? Interesting that those who accuse others of being brainwashed and sheeple sound so much like this organiser for an anti Abbott march.



It wasn't an 'anti-Abbott march', it was an anti-asshole, pro-democracy and rights march.

Learn the difference.

Actually, if you think this mob are NOT fascists, don't bother. You'll never learn.

And you call me dumb..... dam you are the dumbest if you think you can do 2 posts in a row, 1 calling me dumb and the next saying this 'march for murder' is pro-democracy when it was full of dictator lovers and banners like below


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:40am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:28am:

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:03am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 12:10am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
DHead alert. Try not to laugh at this idiot.

March in March organiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjaM3Iegw7M


Holy bugger. Unbelievable. It is not just the stupidity of that guy that amazes me, but that I couldn't tell the difference between his words and the words of several members on this forum. "We are thinking people"... "Laying waste" and "wrecking crew"... Who does that sound like? Interesting that those who accuse others of being brainwashed and sheeple sound so much like this organiser for an anti Abbott march.



It wasn't an 'anti-Abbott march', it was an anti-asshole, pro-democracy and rights march.

Learn the difference.

Actually, if you think this mob are NOT fascists, don't bother. You'll never learn.

And you call me dumb..... dam you are the dumbest if you think you can do 2 posts in a row, 1 calling me dumb and the next saying this 'march for murder' is pro-democracy when it was full of dictator lovers and banners like below




If I was a global mod, you'd get a 'holiday' for that.

And as for two posts, I'm amazed you can even achieve two posts in a row.

You're an idiot, pure and (very) simple.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:45am

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:28am:

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:03am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 12:10am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
DHead alert. Try not to laugh at this idiot.

March in March organiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjaM3Iegw7M


Holy bugger. Unbelievable. It is not just the stupidity of that guy that amazes me, but that I couldn't tell the difference between his words and the words of several members on this forum. "We are thinking people"... "Laying waste" and "wrecking crew"... Who does that sound like? Interesting that those who accuse others of being brainwashed and sheeple sound so much like this organiser for an anti Abbott march.



It wasn't an 'anti-Abbott march', it was an anti-asshole, pro-democracy and rights march.

Learn the difference.

Actually, if you think this mob are NOT fascists, don't bother. You'll never learn.

And you call me dumb..... dam you are the dumbest if you think you can do 2 posts in a row, 1 calling me dumb and the next saying this 'march for murder' is pro-democracy when it was full of dictator lovers and banners like below




If I was a global mod, you'd get a 'holiday' for that.

And as for two posts, I'm amazed you can even achieve two posts in a row.

You're an idiot, pure and (very) simple.

So your pro-democracy is actually socialism/Marxism, sticking it up democracy and calling for its demise.

Yeh, your the idiot.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:47am
March in March is anti democracy, Calls for Murder of our PM which is treason. Promotes Hate. What a bunch of low lives, the police should of brought out the riot squad and arrested the lot of them

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:47am

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:47am:
March in March is anti democracy, Calls for Murder of our PM which is treason. Promotes Hate. What a bunch of low lives, the police should of brought out the riot squad and arrested the lot of them

Yes dear, when is Gloria Jones being tried for her chaf bag comments sweetness?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:58am
Or Graeme Morris the spiv publicly calling for Gillard to be kicked to death?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:39am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:06pm:
you could nuke the march and not hit a coalition voter.


Grendel wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:04pm:
Honestly...  how many people that voted the Coalition in would after 6 months of government, stymied in the Senate by the losers who claim they have a mandate  ::) ::) ::) be protesting against it or in particular Abbott...   :D  that's just a crazy proposition.


aquascoot wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:30pm:
indeed, preaching to the choir , mr bam.  its almost incestuous.
labor and the greens would do well to head to suburbia and go to a few back yard barbies and get more wired in to community sentiment. This , of course, will never happen.

You're just a few more in a conga line of Coalition supporters making the same argument without the slightest shred of supporting evidence. All of you are in denial. None of you can comprehend the concept that people could possibly vote for a party yet later be motivated enough to take part in a protest against the decisions or performance of that party.

Even if your argument actually turns out to be true, it is still fallacious because it does not address the merits of the protests but instead focuses on who is protesting.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:41am
I'm not a Coalition supporter...  so stop lying about me.
I'm in no Conga line, even if you seem to be.
I just won't lie about things.
You should try it sometime. ::)

We know who and why... ::)  Time to stop making excuses.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:50am

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:03am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 12:10am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
DHead alert. Try not to laugh at this idiot.

March in March organiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjaM3Iegw7M


Holy bugger. Unbelievable. It is not just the stupidity of that guy that amazes me, but that I couldn't tell the difference between his words and the words of several members on this forum. "We are thinking people"... "Laying waste" and "wrecking crew"... Who does that sound like? Interesting that those who accuse others of being brainwashed and sheeple sound so much like this organiser for an anti Abbott march.



It wasn't an 'anti-Abbott march', it was an anti-asshole, pro-democracy and rights march.

Learn the difference.

Actually, if you think this mob are NOT fascists, don't bother. You'll never learn.


And if you don't take a step back, take a deep breath, and then look at this objectively, you are going to have a break down.

You may think saying that it is not an anti Abbott march but an anti arsehole march is an intelligent response, but it really is just juvenile and shows that all this hate speech is really just a game. You have ignored every question about what exactly you think these marches will change, but instead have simply resorted to saying that everyone who doesn't agree is too stupid to understand.

6 monthst ago the coalition were voted in with a large majority. Now people who didn't get there way want to march around in streets calling to have this government removed while holding signs saying "fck democracy", and this in the name of democracy? This is nothing but a bad joke. 

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Redmond Neck on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:59am
I thought this was rather interesting!



Courtesy of

http://www.reddit.com/r/australia/

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 18th, 2014 at 11:05am

Bam wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:39am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:06pm:
you could nuke the march and not hit a coalition voter.


Grendel wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:04pm:
Honestly...  how many people that voted the Coalition in would after 6 months of government, stymied in the Senate by the losers who claim they have a mandate  ::) ::) ::) be protesting against it or in particular Abbott...   :D  that's just a crazy proposition.


aquascoot wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:30pm:
indeed, preaching to the choir , mr bam.  its almost incestuous.
labor and the greens would do well to head to suburbia and go to a few back yard barbies and get more wired in to community sentiment. This , of course, will never happen.

You're just a few more in a conga line of Coalition supporters making the same argument without the slightest shred of supporting evidence. All of you are in denial. None of you can comprehend the concept that people could possibly vote for a party yet later be motivated enough to take part in a protest against the decisions or performance of that party.

Even if your argument actually turns out to be true, it is still fallacious because it does not address the merits of the protests but instead focuses on who is protesting.


Not in 6 months... Well unless they voted for the liberals by accident, which would be fitting the IQ of most of these protesters.

How about you stop telling everyone else to back up their claims and do some of that yourself. You expect others to prove that there were no coalition voters there... Well if your so confident there were how about you give some proof. The Abbott government has done nothing that it didn't already promise to do. It said it would stop the boats, cut back on spending, not have a gold plated NBN. They are doing what people voted for. Why the hell would someone vote for that and then go on a "fck Abbott", "kill abbott", "fck democracy" march less than 6 months into term for doing what they promised to do?

You and these protesters don't get it. You are a minority. You don't represent what Australians want. The Australians voted for what we now have, and even the many who didn't vote for the coalition respect the workings of democracy.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by FriYAY on Mar 18th, 2014 at 11:12am

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:59am:
I thought this was rather interesting!



Courtesy of

http://www.reddit.com/r/australia/



Laura Jayes is hot... 8-)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 18th, 2014 at 3:34pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 11:05am:

Bam wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:39am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:06pm:
you could nuke the march and not hit a coalition voter.


Grendel wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:04pm:
Honestly...  how many people that voted the Coalition in would after 6 months of government, stymied in the Senate by the losers who claim they have a mandate  ::) ::) ::) be protesting against it or in particular Abbott...   :D  that's just a crazy proposition.


aquascoot wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:30pm:
indeed, preaching to the choir , mr bam.  its almost incestuous.
labor and the greens would do well to head to suburbia and go to a few back yard barbies and get more wired in to community sentiment. This , of course, will never happen.

You're just a few more in a conga line of Coalition supporters making the same argument without the slightest shred of supporting evidence. All of you are in denial. None of you can comprehend the concept that people could possibly vote for a party yet later be motivated enough to take part in a protest against the decisions or performance of that party.

Even if your argument actually turns out to be true, it is still fallacious because it does not address the merits of the protests but instead focuses on who is protesting.


Not in 6 months... Well unless they voted for the liberals by accident, which would be fitting the IQ of most of these protesters.

How about you stop telling everyone else to back up their claims and do some of that yourself. You expect others to prove that there were no coalition voters there... Well if your so confident there were how about you give some proof. The Abbott government has done nothing that it didn't already promise to do. It said it would stop the boats, cut back on spending, not have a gold plated NBN. They are doing what people voted for. Why the hell would someone vote for that and then go on a "fck Abbott", "kill abbott", "fck democracy" march less than 6 months into term for doing what they promised to do?

You and these protesters don't get it. You are a minority. You don't represent what Australians want. The Australians voted for what we now have, and even the many who didn't vote for the coalition respect the workings of democracy.



We represent what DECENT Australians want.

The rest can catch fire, for all I care.

Decent Australians, they are NOT!

BTW, all the proof anyone would need is here... straight from the
mouths (OK, keyboards) of the participants. MANY of whom admit
to having voted for the Con-alition in September.

Not that I'd expect the Right to bother. It's not a fact-free zone.


https://www.facebook.com/marchinmarch

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 18th, 2014 at 3:36pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:50am:

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:03am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 12:10am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
DHead alert. Try not to laugh at this idiot.

March in March organiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjaM3Iegw7M


Holy bugger. Unbelievable. It is not just the stupidity of that guy that amazes me, but that I couldn't tell the difference between his words and the words of several members on this forum. "We are thinking people"... "Laying waste" and "wrecking crew"... Who does that sound like? Interesting that those who accuse others of being brainwashed and sheeple sound so much like this organiser for an anti Abbott march.



It wasn't an 'anti-Abbott march', it was an anti-asshole, pro-democracy and rights march.

Learn the difference.

Actually, if you think this mob are NOT fascists, don't bother. You'll never learn.


And if you don't take a step back, take a deep breath, and then look at this objectively, you are going to have a break down.

You may think saying that it is not an anti Abbott march but an anti arsehole march is an intelligent response, but it really is just juvenile and shows that all this hate speech is really just a game. You have ignored every question about what exactly you think these marches will change, but instead have simply resorted to saying that everyone who doesn't agree is too stupid to understand.

6 monthst ago the coalition were voted in with a large majority. Now people who didn't get there way want to march around in streets calling to have this government removed while holding signs saying "fck democracy", and this in the name of democracy? This is nothing but a bad joke. 



1/ I haven't. Read back.

2/ They are. Ditto.

3/ This 'government' is a bad joke. Its supporters are either fools, traitors or both.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 18th, 2014 at 3:42pm

Quote:
We represent what DECENT Australians want.

The rest can catch fire, for all I care.

Decent Australians, they are NOT!

BTW, all the proof anyone would need is here... straight from the
mouths (OK, keyboards) of the participants. MANY of whom admit
to having voted for the Con-alition in September.

Not that I'd expect the Right to bother. It's not a fact-free zone.


We?  Really?
You don't represent me and I'm a very decent Australian.
You're just being stupid.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by aquascoot on Mar 18th, 2014 at 3:45pm
thats a hell of a lot of australians you dont think are decent Kat.
Maybe around 14 million of them :D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 18th, 2014 at 5:18pm

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 3:34pm:
We represent what DECENT Australians want.

The rest can catch fire, for all I care.

Decent Australians, they are NOT!


Is this what you call decent Australians?



Your entire position is to make bogus accusations against the Coalition and then accuse everyone of being fckwits and non decent Australians if they don't agree. You claim to stand for the wants of Australians, but when challenged on just how many Australians agree with your position you turn it into "decent Australians", making it clear that all you represent are people who think the same way you do. Lets also make it clear that those who agree with you in your outrage are not that many. Even if the questionable numbers for the weekend are to be believed, all you have is 100,000 in agreement. How many millions do want to burn to death O Mr voice of reason and objectivity? According to the ABS it must be about 23.3 million, because that is how many couldn't be bothered to take part in this farce last weekend.


Quote:
BTW, all the proof anyone would need is here... straight from the
mouths (OK, keyboards) of the participants. MANY of whom admit
to having voted for the Con-alition in September.

Not that I'd expect the Right to bother. It's not a fact-free zone.


https://www.facebook.com/marchinmarch


You want to talk facts... well facebook is not a good start.

I wonder how many of those people really voted coalition? Claims of having a waking up moment causing one to change sides are a common trick to give oneself legitimacy. I suppose I could claim to have voted for the greens 6 months ago, but now that I have seen how awesome and wonderful Abbott is I have been converted and now not only do I believe in Tony, but hate everything that the greens stand for. Complete BS, but making false claims on the net are an easy thing to do when you have an agenda.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 18th, 2014 at 5:41pm
What a classy banner.

My issue with marches against Governments - no matter the cause or issue - is that they often attract the utter dregs of society.

The sort of people who if you are walking down the street with your daughter, you cross the street to avoid.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by aquascoot on Mar 18th, 2014 at 5:45pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 5:41pm:
What a classy banner.

My issue with marches against Governments - no matter the cause or issue - is that they often attract the utter dregs of society.

The sort of people who if you are walking down the street with your daughter, you cross the street to avoid.



Those not marching should be given tasers to personally express their displeasure

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:31pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:41am:
I'm not a Coalition supporter...  so stop lying about me.

This would be more believable if you didn't follow the Coalition's line in almost all of your posts. At least you could have shown some independent thought and spotted the fallacious reasoning before blundering into it.


Quote:
I'm in no Conga line, even if you seem to be.
I just won't lie about things.
You should try it sometime. ::)

We know who and why... ::)  Time to stop making excuses.

You haven't actually defended your remarks with this personal attack. That is a tacit admission that they have been refuted.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:45pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 11:05am:

Bam wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:39am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:06pm:
you could nuke the march and not hit a coalition voter.


Grendel wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:04pm:
Honestly...  how many people that voted the Coalition in would after 6 months of government, stymied in the Senate by the losers who claim they have a mandate  ::) ::) ::) be protesting against it or in particular Abbott...   :D  that's just a crazy proposition.


aquascoot wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:30pm:
indeed, preaching to the choir , mr bam.  its almost incestuous.
labor and the greens would do well to head to suburbia and go to a few back yard barbies and get more wired in to community sentiment. This , of course, will never happen.

You're just a few more in a conga line of Coalition supporters making the same argument without the slightest shred of supporting evidence. All of you are in denial. None of you can comprehend the concept that people could possibly vote for a party yet later be motivated enough to take part in a protest against the decisions or performance of that party.

Even if your argument actually turns out to be true, it is still fallacious because it does not address the merits of the protests but instead focuses on who is protesting.


Not in 6 months... Well unless they voted for the liberals by accident, which would be fitting the IQ of most of these protesters.

Your logical fallacy is ad hominem

Quote:
You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.



Quote:
How about you stop telling everyone else to back up their claims and do some of that yourself. You expect others to prove that there were no coalition voters there... Well if your so confident there were how about you give some proof. The Abbott government has done nothing that it didn't already promise to do. It said it would stop the boats, cut back on spending, not have a gold plated NBN. They are doing what people voted for. Why the hell would someone vote for that and then go on a "fck Abbott", "kill abbott", "fck democracy" march less than 6 months into term for doing what they promised to do?

Whether the protesters voted for the Coalition or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is whether they have a point. That IMO is far more worthy of discussion than irrelevancies like who they voted for or exactly how many people turned up.


Quote:
You and these protesters don't get it. You are a minority. You don't represent what Australians want. The Australians voted for what we now have, and even the many who didn't vote for the coalition respect the workings of democracy.

Your logical fallacy is bandwagon

Quote:
You appealed to popularity or the fact that many people do something as an attempted form of validation.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by life_goes_on on Mar 18th, 2014 at 7:19pm
It was a complete and utter badly organised mess. Reminded me of the Wall Street protests of a couple of years ago - no f-cking focus, no f-cking real demands, no f-cking idea.

A bunch of people with no major issue other than they were pissed off about "something or other". Just appearing to be pissed at "Abbott" is going to be about effectual as those sad old geriatrics who went by coach to Canberra to mumble about Gillard.

Focus people, focus. If you have 5 different issues you want to protest about then have 5 different protests. If you don't think you'll have the numbers to sustain 5 separate protests then pick the major issue and just pursue that... achieve something then move on further down the list. Organise and agitate to generate support. None of this "Hey, we're pissed about stuff".

Hippies might have sucked dogs balls, but for all their faults, at least they knew how to protest.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 18th, 2014 at 7:57pm
Next one will be bigger and better. I agree about the focus tho, wasn’t any.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:02pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 7:57pm:
Next one will be bigger and better. I agree about the focus tho, wasn’t any.


May day huh.  Celebration of the socialists.

What will that one be called?

Mayhem in May.......?  :D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm
Maybe this is why the rightards are a bit p1ssy???


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Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:22pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 7:19pm:
Focus people, focus. If you have 5 different issues you want to protest about then have 5 different protests.

The Abbott government's made so many mistakes, if there was one protest a week, that's all people would be doing on weekends for the next thirty months.

If Abbott can have a "repeal day", let the protesters have a "protest day".

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:32pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 7:57pm:
Next one will be bigger and better. I agree about the focus tho, wasn’t any.

Yeh it will be bigger and better and named MFMM 2015

Title: Re: March in March
Post by cods on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:44pm

Bam wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 7:19pm:
Focus people, focus. If you have 5 different issues you want to protest about then have 5 different protests.

The Abbott government's made so many mistakes, if there was one protest a week, that's all people would be doing on weekends for the next thirty months.

If Abbott can have a "repeal day", let the protesters have a "protest day".



hilarious.. they had a bus stop at Parliament house today.. something about Gonski..shorty was there in all his splendor  and about a dozen others... the crowd was so small.. a phone booth would have done..lucky for Canberra and shorty the weather has been good.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by alevine on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:45pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 7:57pm:
Next one will be bigger and better. I agree about the focus tho, wasn’t any.

Yeh it will be bigger and better and named MFMM 2015

GIna is a feral animal, for her opinions.

As for the Alan Joyce comment, this one person who went too far, and the crowd didn't applaud it.
nexttttt.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:56pm

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
Maybe this is why the rightards are a bit p1ssy???


Intimidation by mob is against the grain for mine

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 18th, 2014 at 9:18pm

Bam wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 6:45pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 11:05am:

Bam wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:39am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:06pm:
you could nuke the march and not hit a coalition voter.


Grendel wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:04pm:
Honestly...  how many people that voted the Coalition in would after 6 months of government, stymied in the Senate by the losers who claim they have a mandate  ::) ::) ::) be protesting against it or in particular Abbott...   :D  that's just a crazy proposition.


aquascoot wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:30pm:
indeed, preaching to the choir , mr bam.  its almost incestuous.
labor and the greens would do well to head to suburbia and go to a few back yard barbies and get more wired in to community sentiment. This , of course, will never happen.

You're just a few more in a conga line of Coalition supporters making the same argument without the slightest shred of supporting evidence. All of you are in denial. None of you can comprehend the concept that people could possibly vote for a party yet later be motivated enough to take part in a protest against the decisions or performance of that party.

Even if your argument actually turns out to be true, it is still fallacious because it does not address the merits of the protests but instead focuses on who is protesting.


Not in 6 months... Well unless they voted for the liberals by accident, which would be fitting the IQ of most of these protesters.

Your logical fallacy is ad hominem

Quote:
You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.


[quote]How about you stop telling everyone else to back up their claims and do some of that yourself. You expect others to prove that there were no coalition voters there... Well if your so confident there were how about you give some proof. The Abbott government has done nothing that it didn't already promise to do. It said it would stop the boats, cut back on spending, not have a gold plated NBN. They are doing what people voted for. Why the hell would someone vote for that and then go on a "fck Abbott", "kill abbott", "fck democracy" march less than 6 months into term for doing what they promised to do?

Whether the protesters voted for the Coalition or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is whether they have a point. That IMO is far more worthy of discussion than irrelevancies like who they voted for or exactly how many people turned up.


Quote:
You and these protesters don't get it. You are a minority. You don't represent what Australians want. The Australians voted for what we now have, and even the many who didn't vote for the coalition respect the workings of democracy.

Your logical fallacy is bandwagon

Quote:
You appealed to popularity or the fact that many people do something as an attempted form of validation.

[/quote]

Ad hominem? Bandwagon? You support these protests last weekend and dare accuse anyone of these?

"You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument"

Funny, are you the same person who said this...


Quote:
You're just a few more in a conga line of Coalition supporters


Yes, you are. Playing the player while calling on people to play the ball. No shock there. Fits your attitude that everyone needs to support their claims while you can go around speaking shlt and no one should challenge you on it.

How about this one,

"You appealed to popularity or the fact that many people do something as an attempted form of validation"

You mean like claiming 100,000 people turned out in protest. Numbers mean something now ay?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 18th, 2014 at 9:24pm

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
Maybe this is why the rightards are a bit p1ssy???


Why would they be? Only 200 "rightards" made idiots of themselves that day while 50,000 leftys made themselves look like spoilt illogical tools last weekend. Why would the "rightards" be "p1ssy"?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:29pm

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
Maybe this is why the rightards are a bit p1ssy???

Obviously your point is Conservatives are vastly more sensible and numerous.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:30pm

Bam wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 7:19pm:
Focus people, focus. If you have 5 different issues you want to protest about then have 5 different protests.

The Abbott government's made so many mistakes, if there was one protest a week, that's all people would be doing on weekends for the next thirty months.

If Abbott can have a "repeal day", let the protesters have a "protest day".

Oh I'm really looking forward to this list  ::)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:51pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
DHead alert. Try not to laugh at this idiot.

March in March organiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjaM3Iegw7M


Slogan central.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by alevine on Mar 19th, 2014 at 12:37am

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 17th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
DHead alert. Try not to laugh at this idiot.

March in March organiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjaM3Iegw7M


Slogan central.

The dog lover ought to stop trying to be a spokesman for the government.

At the election we were told there was a budget emergency, but there would be no cuts to pensions, no cuts to health, no cuts to education, in fact only cuts to foreign aid, as their bandaid solution.

After the election of course, we get the poodle try to renege on gonski, then we get the rhetoric against disability pensions, we get the rhetoric against the health system, and we forget a budget emergency exists by going ahead with the PPL, buying drones for some reason, reinstating private health rebate for all, reinstating super contribution tax deductions for the rich, etc.  Should we also talk about penalty rates?

So, government isn't really being methodical and instead rather chaotic in its attempts to go back on its promises not to touch safety nets and public services.  If anyone thinks the budget won't contain cuts to these things, they need to consult a shrink.  Kenny included, of course.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:42am

Swagman wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
Maybe this is why the rightards are a bit p1ssy???


Intimidation by mob is against the grain for mine


Your what?

And I see neither a mob, nor any intimidation.

That is, quite simply, a blatant lie.

But hey, 'Spread The Lies', eh?

It's about the only thing you lot are any good at, apart
from abusing and denigrating your betters.



Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:49am

cods wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 7:19pm:
Focus people, focus. If you have 5 different issues you want to protest about then have 5 different protests.

The Abbott government's made so many mistakes, if there was one protest a week, that's all people would be doing on weekends for the next thirty months.

If Abbott can have a "repeal day", let the protesters have a "protest day".



hilarious.. they had a bus stop at Parliament house today.. something about Gonski..shorty was there in all his splendor  and about a dozen others... the crowd was so small.. a phone booth would have done..lucky for Canberra and shorty the weather has been good.


Stupid, and irrelevant.

Like most of your posts.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:54am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
thats a hell of a lot of australians you dont think are decent Kat.
Maybe around 14 million of them :D



Probably closer to 10, if truth be told (another anathema to the Right).0

And no, they're not.

There is no such thing as a 'decent' fascist (Oscar Schindler excepted).

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:58am

Grendel wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
Maybe this is why the rightards are a bit p1ssy???

Obviously your point is Conservatives are vastly more sensible and numerous.



Actually, my point is that they are exactly the opposite.

As most of their replies on this topic demonstrate more than adequately.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 19th, 2014 at 6:44am

Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:58am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
Maybe this is why the rightards are a bit p1ssy???

Obviously your point is Conservatives are vastly more sensible and numerous.



Actually, my point is that they are exactly the opposite.

As most of their replies on this topic demonstrate more than adequately.

Just like the march for murder 2014, you have no point.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 19th, 2014 at 7:34am
I think the ones with signs calling for Abbott & Joyce to be killed—were Young Libs trying to sabotage the marches. That sign re flipping Abbott & flipping democracy was about the only non–home made sign I saw. I took part in the Adelaide march and moved around through the crowd to find places to take photos from—all was friendly, good humored, no mob, no threats. Criticism not threats.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:29am

Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:42am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
Maybe this is why the rightards are a bit p1ssy???


Intimidation by mob is against the grain for mine


Your what?

And I see neither a mob, nor any intimidation.

That is, quite simply, a blatant lie.

But hey, 'Spread The Lies', eh?

It's about the only thing you lot are any good at, apart
from abusing and denigrating your betters.


I'm curious what your definition of a 'mob' is Kat?

"Joyce should be taken out and shot in the back of the head" huh? :-?

That's Stalinism if ever I heard it?  Tyranny by mob.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:36am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 7:34am:
I think the ones with signs calling for Abbott & Joyce to be killed—were Young Libs trying to sabotage the marches. That sign re flipping Abbott & flipping democracy was about the only non–home made sign I saw. I took part in the Adelaide march and moved around through the crowd to find places to take photos from—all was friendly, good humored, no mob, no threats. Criticism not threats.

Where's the CUCKOO EMOTICON>>>>

:D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 19th, 2014 at 9:21am
Well, they were the only ones with what was not a homemade sign. None of the protestors in Adelaide expressed similar sentiments

I will have more info on this tomorrow.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 19th, 2014 at 12:39pm

Title: Re: March in March
Post by alevine on Mar 19th, 2014 at 12:40pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 6:44am:

Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:58am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
Maybe this is why the rightards are a bit p1ssy???

Obviously your point is Conservatives are vastly more sensible and numerous.



Actually, my point is that they are exactly the opposite.

As most of their replies on this topic demonstrate more than adequately.

Just like the march for murder 2014, you have no point.

Pickering or bolt? ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 19th, 2014 at 12:56pm
Tribal warfare, the hatefest runs. Bully barbarians at their intellectual “best”


Quote:
Here in Australia the intellectual depth and moral caliber of the fans of big-government handouts is on display. This is a world where your intellect and popularity is measured in how much you hate Tony Abbott and Andrew Bolt.

The witless debate ensues, aka the March-in-March protest this weekend: “How much money should we take; you’re a racist, homophobic, corporate a**  _______.”  Last week a thrash band mock-beheaded Tony Abbott with jets of squirting blood for entertainment. It’s base, it’s barbarian, it’s childish and extreme. Enough.

Last week the ABC wallowed in rants, namcalling and false claims about Andrew Bolt. He who argues we should not judge people by their race, gets called a racist. Tonight the ABC finally agree to “clarify” the claims. (Why not just apologize?) Today, surprise, the ABC finds space for 43 protest photos, but omits the ones that show the depraved nature of some of the protestors.  It’s not reporting, it’s propaganda. Privatize it.


just check out the images...

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/03/tribal-warfare-the-hatefest-runs-bully-barbarians-at-their-intellectual-best/

Seems to validate everything I've been saying.  ::)


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:33pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:29am:

Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:42am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
Maybe this is why the rightards are a bit p1ssy???


Intimidation by mob is against the grain for mine


Your what?

And I see neither a mob, nor any intimidation.

That is, quite simply, a blatant lie.

But hey, 'Spread The Lies', eh?

It's about the only thing you lot are any good at, apart
from abusing and denigrating your betters.


I'm curious what your definition of a 'mob' is Kat?

"Joyce should be taken out and shot in the back of the head" huh? :-?

That's Stalinism if ever I heard it?  Tyranny by mob.



That was loudly denounced AT THE TIME, and BY THE MARCHERS.

Try again...

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:35pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 12:56pm:
Tribal warfare, the hatefest runs. Bully barbarians at their intellectual “best”


Quote:
Here in Australia the intellectual depth and moral caliber of the fans of big-government handouts is on display. This is a world where your intellect and popularity is measured in how much you hate Tony Abbott and Andrew Bolt.

The witless debate ensues, aka the March-in-March protest this weekend: “How much money should we take; you’re a racist, homophobic, corporate a**  _______.”  Last week a thrash band mock-beheaded Tony Abbott with jets of squirting blood for entertainment. It’s base, it’s barbarian, it’s childish and extreme. Enough.

Last week the ABC wallowed in rants, namcalling and false claims about Andrew Bolt. He who argues we should not judge people by their race, gets called a racist. Tonight the ABC finally agree to “clarify” the claims. (Why not just apologize?) Today, surprise, the ABC finds space for 43 protest photos, but omits the ones that show the depraved nature of some of the protestors.  It’s not reporting, it’s propaganda. Privatize it.


just check out the images...

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/03/tribal-warfare-the-hatefest-runs-bully-barbarians-at-their-intellectual-best/

Seems to validate everything I've been saying.  ::)


NOTHING validates ANYTHING the right have been saying on this topic.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by dsmithy70 on Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:47pm
Seems as we are up to point 3
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Title: Re: March in March
Post by FriYAY on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:02pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:47pm:
Seems as we are up to point 3



But there is still so much 1 and 2 to do!!!

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:09pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:47pm:
Seems as we are up to point 3

I thought it was more like....
First they march about a thousands things In order to make no sense.

Then they pull out the kill the pm banners

Then they order a hit on someone
We are at number 3... all within a day

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:14pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:47pm:
Seems as we are up to point 3

I thought it was more like....



Then they pull out the kill the pm banners

I must have missed the throw him in a chaf bag and dump at sea signs sweet thing.Was Gloria marching sweety?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:15pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 12:56pm:
Tribal warfare, the hatefest runs. Bully barbarians at their intellectual “best”


Quote:
Here in Australia the intellectual depth and moral caliber of the fans of big-government handouts is on display. This is a world where your intellect and popularity is measured in how much you hate Tony Abbott and Andrew Bolt.

The witless debate ensues, aka the March-in-March protest this weekend: “How much money should we take; you’re a racist, homophobic, corporate a**  _______.”  Last week a thrash band mock-beheaded Tony Abbott with jets of squirting blood for entertainment. It’s base, it’s barbarian, it’s childish and extreme. Enough.

Last week the ABC wallowed in rants, namcalling and false claims about Andrew Bolt. He who argues we should not judge people by their race, gets called a racist. Tonight the ABC finally agree to “clarify” the claims. (Why not just apologize?) Today, surprise, the ABC finds space for 43 protest photos, but omits the ones that show the depraved nature of some of the protestors.  It’s not reporting, it’s propaganda. Privatize it.


just check out the images...

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/03/tribal-warfare-the-hatefest-runs-bully-barbarians-at-their-intellectual-best/

Seems to validate everything I've been saying.  ::)

Can only be said that this march was a march for murder. These people are simply pigs

Title: Re: March in March
Post by woody2013 on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:18pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:47pm:
Seems as we are up to point 3

I thought it was more like....



Then they pull out the kill the pm banners

I must have missed the throw him in a chaf bag and dump at sea signs sweet thing.Was Gloria marching sweety?

I thought it was more like....
First they march about a thousands things In order to make no sense.

Then they pull out the kill the pm banners

Then they order a hit on someone
We are at number 3... all within a day

here's the bits you edited out  FKNHILLBILLY    ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:21pm

woody2014 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:18pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:47pm:
Seems as we are up to point 3

I thought it was more like....



Then they pull out the kill the pm banners

I must have missed the throw him in a chaf bag and dump at sea signs sweet thing.Was Gloria marching sweety?

I thought it was more like....
First they march about a thousands things In order to make no sense.

Then they pull out the kill the pm banners

Then they order a hit on someone
We are at number 3... all within a day

here's the bits you edited out  FKNHILLBILLY    ;D ;D ;D

What's up princess? Someone steal your dress? What's the problem with editing out the useless bits? The bit I quoted was what I was addressing! now back to your dress ups! Moana.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by woody2013 on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:23pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:21pm:

woody2014 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:18pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:47pm:
Seems as we are up to point 3

I thought it was more like....



Then they pull out the kill the pm banners

I must have missed the throw him in a chaf bag and dump at sea signs sweet thing.Was Gloria marching sweety?

I thought it was more like....
First they march about a thousands things In order to make no sense.

Then they pull out the kill the pm banners

Then they order a hit on someone
We are at number 3... all within a day

here's the bits you edited out  FKNHILLBILLY    ;D ;D ;D

What's up princess? Someone steal your dress? What's the problem with editing out the useless bits? The bit I quoted was what I was addressing! now back to your dress ups! Moana.


No points there  FKNHILLBILLY  WANKER  ;) ;)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by dsmithy70 on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:29pm

FriYAY wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:02pm:
But there is still so much 1 and 2 to do!!!




progressiveslol wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:09pm:
I thought it was more like....
First they march about a thousands things In order to make no sense.

Then they pull out the kill the pm banners

Then they order a hit on someone
We are at number 3... all within a day




Title: Re: March in March
Post by dsmithy70 on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:33pm

woody2014 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:23pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:21pm:

woody2014 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:18pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:47pm:
Seems as we are up to point 3

I thought it was more like....



Then they pull out the kill the pm banners

I must have missed the throw him in a chaf bag and dump at sea signs sweet thing.Was Gloria marching sweety?

I thought it was more like....
First they march about a thousands things In order to make no sense.

Then they pull out the kill the pm banners

Then they order a hit on someone
We are at number 3... all within a day

here's the bits you edited out  FKNHILLBILLY    ;D ;D ;D

What's up princess? Someone steal your dress? What's the problem with editing out the useless bits? The bit I quoted was what I was addressing! now back to your dress ups! Moana.


No points there  FKNHILLBILLY  WANKER  ;) ;)


Lifeline Australia home 13 11 14



Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 19th, 2014 at 3:24pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 2:15pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 12:56pm:
Tribal warfare, the hatefest runs. Bully barbarians at their intellectual “best”


Quote:
Here in Australia the intellectual depth and moral caliber of the fans of big-government handouts is on display. This is a world where your intellect and popularity is measured in how much you hate Tony Abbott and Andrew Bolt.

The witless debate ensues, aka the March-in-March protest this weekend: “How much money should we take; you’re a racist, homophobic, corporate a**  _______.”  Last week a thrash band mock-beheaded Tony Abbott with jets of squirting blood for entertainment. It’s base, it’s barbarian, it’s childish and extreme. Enough.

Last week the ABC wallowed in rants, namcalling and false claims about Andrew Bolt. He who argues we should not judge people by their race, gets called a racist. Tonight the ABC finally agree to “clarify” the claims. (Why not just apologize?) Today, surprise, the ABC finds space for 43 protest photos, but omits the ones that show the depraved nature of some of the protestors.  It’s not reporting, it’s propaganda. Privatize it.


just check out the images...

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/03/tribal-warfare-the-hatefest-runs-bully-barbarians-at-their-intellectual-best/

Seems to validate everything I've been saying.  ::)

Can only be said that this march was a march for murder. These people are simply pigs


Can only be said that you are a liar and a fool.

I wouldn't dishonour a pig by comparing one to a right-wing fascist.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by dsmithy70 on Mar 19th, 2014 at 3:28pm
This
1922277_1457769694456016_1414071_n.jpg (91 KB | 19 )

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 19th, 2014 at 3:44pm

What did Tony say about 100,000 people marching to declare that they have no confidence in his government?

Is he going to take their issues on board?

Has anyone heard Tony acknowledge the March in March protesters?

It would be pure folly to ignore them, surely.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 19th, 2014 at 3:50pm
bwahahahahaha sounds like JoNova is wildly jealous a true grassroots movement got like 100x times the number of her astroturfed Convoy of Incontinence.

That band doing a symbolic beheading of Abbott has what connection to the MiM?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 19th, 2014 at 3:56pm
The more I read and see, especially the hate filled images the more I'm proven correct.

it's the usual suspects still unhappy with the election results.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 19th, 2014 at 3:57pm

Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 1:35pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 12:56pm:
Tribal warfare, the hatefest runs. Bully barbarians at their intellectual “best”


Quote:
Here in Australia the intellectual depth and moral caliber of the fans of big-government handouts is on display. This is a world where your intellect and popularity is measured in how much you hate Tony Abbott and Andrew Bolt.

The witless debate ensues, aka the March-in-March protest this weekend: “How much money should we take; you’re a racist, homophobic, corporate a**  _______.”  Last week a thrash band mock-beheaded Tony Abbott with jets of squirting blood for entertainment. It’s base, it’s barbarian, it’s childish and extreme. Enough.

Last week the ABC wallowed in rants, namcalling and false claims about Andrew Bolt. He who argues we should not judge people by their race, gets called a racist. Tonight the ABC finally agree to “clarify” the claims. (Why not just apologize?) Today, surprise, the ABC finds space for 43 protest photos, but omits the ones that show the depraved nature of some of the protestors.  It’s not reporting, it’s propaganda. Privatize it.


just check out the images...

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/03/tribal-warfare-the-hatefest-runs-bully-barbarians-at-their-intellectual-best/

Seems to validate everything I've been saying.  ::)


NOTHING validates ANYTHING the right have been saying on this topic.

Well I'm of the LEFT... I guess that validates me too then right?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:01pm

March in March could be Victoria’s last protest after new ‘anti-protest’ law was passed last week

Not in force until September.

I imagine Nazi Newman will be following suit here, before the November G20 leaders meeting.

What happened to democracy?

Welcome to communist Australia fascists. You'll be begging for socialists in a few years time when all your freedoms are gone.

It is unfortunate that they don't have the actual man power to arrest 100,000 people so I guess the free speech brigade will win in the end. Has anyone seen the police trying to arrest the protestors in Egypt or Libya? They get a few but not enough to make a difference.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:11pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:01pm:
March in March could be Victoria’s last protest after new ‘anti-protest’ law was passed last week

Not in force until September.

I imagine Nazi Newman will be following suit here, before the November G20 leaders meeting.

What happened to democracy?

Welcome to communist Australia fascists. You'll be begging for socialists in a few years time when all your freedoms are gone.

It is unfortunate that they don't have the actual man power to arrest 100,000 people so I guess the free speech brigade will win in the end. Has anyone seen the police trying to arrest the protestors in Egypt or Libya? They get a few but not enough to make a difference.



They'll continue to deny there's a problem, until they themselves become victims.

Then it'll be 'But why didn't anyone warn us, why weren't there protests'?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:15pm
Don't make me laugh kat....  did you protest the last government when they betrayed a promise to all Australians?

As for this latest mockery of marches...

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abc_markets_march_in_march_presenting_only_its_good_side/

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:24pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:01pm:
March in March could be Victoria’s last protest after new ‘anti-protest’ law was passed last week

Not in force until September.

I imagine Nazi Newman will be following suit here, before the November G20 leaders meeting.

What happened to democracy?

Welcome to communist Australia fascists. You'll be begging for socialists in a few years time when all your freedoms are gone.

It is unfortunate that they don't have the actual man power to arrest 100,000 people so I guess the free speech brigade will win in the end. Has anyone seen the police trying to arrest the protestors in Egypt or Libya? They get a few but not enough to make a difference.


Democracy put the Coalition in power. That's why these protests are disgusting. People didn't get their way so now they are having a cry. They don't seem to get the fact that in a nation of 23 million people that 100,000 marching means little. If these people actually cared about democracy they wouldn't be walking the streets like a bunch of bad losers. The majority have spoken, they now need to respect that.

Oh, and did we forget about this so soon...



When Abbott has been in power for ten years and has changed the election system so he can never be removed, then go marching screaming for democracy. Complaining after just 6 months in office having been elected by the majority of voters is a joke.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:26pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:15pm:
Don't make me laugh kat....  did you protest the last government when they betrayed a promise to all Australians?

As for this latest mockery of marches...

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abc_markets_march_in_march_presenting_only_its_good_side/

Liar, the last government said the night before they were elected they would price carbon and they did, you're a liar, you're even a failure at that.
As for your link.
bolt, ROTFLMAO. ;D ;D :D
image_224.jpg (13 KB | 19 )

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:30pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:01pm:
March in March could be Victoria’s last protest after new ‘anti-protest’ law was passed last week

Not in force until September.

I imagine Nazi Newman will be following suit here, before the November G20 leaders meeting.

What happened to democracy?

Welcome to communist Australia fascists. You'll be begging for socialists in a few years time when all your freedoms are gone.

It is unfortunate that they don't have the actual man power to arrest 100,000 people so I guess the free speech brigade will win in the end. Has anyone seen the police trying to arrest the protestors in Egypt or Libya? They get a few but not enough to make a difference.


Democracy put the Coalition in power. That's why these protests are disgusting. People didn't get their way so now they are having a cry. They don't seem to get the fact that in a nation of 23 million people that 100,000 marching means little. If these people actually cared about democracy they wouldn't be walking the streets like a bunch of bad losers. The majority have spoken, they now need to respect that.

Oh, and did we forget about this so soon...



When Abbott has been in power for ten years and has changed the election system so he can never be removed, then go marching screaming for democracy. Complaining after just 6 months in office having been elected by the majority of voters is a joke.

Yes dear, just like the ditch the witch rallies. ::) what is it with the conga line sooks? Whiny little bitches when in opposition and all indignant when their team is in government.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:41pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:01pm:
March in March could be Victoria’s last protest after new ‘anti-protest’ law was passed last week

Not in force until September.

I imagine Nazi Newman will be following suit here, before the November G20 leaders meeting.

What happened to democracy?

Welcome to communist Australia fascists. You'll be begging for socialists in a few years time when all your freedoms are gone.

It is unfortunate that they don't have the actual man power to arrest 100,000 people so I guess the free speech brigade will win in the end. Has anyone seen the police trying to arrest the protestors in Egypt or Libya? They get a few but not enough to make a difference.


Democracy put the Coalition in power. That's why these protests are disgusting. People didn't get their way so now they are having a cry. They don't seem to get the fact that in a nation of 23 million people that 100,000 marching means little. If these people actually cared about democracy they wouldn't be walking the streets like a bunch of bad losers. The majority have spoken, they now need to respect that.

Oh, and did we forget about this so soon...



When Abbott has been in power for ten years and has changed the election system so he can never be removed, then go marching screaming for democracy. Complaining after just 6 months in office having been elected by the majority of voters is a joke.

Yes dear, just like the ditch the witch rallies. ::) what is it with the conga line sooks? Whiny little bitches when in opposition and all indignant when their team is in government.


And what is it with the left and right divide which is continually pushed by people like you?

*I did not vote for the current Government
*I said the Canberra protests where ridiculous and Abbott was an idiot for getting involved. 

Of course, had you read this thread you would know that.
 

Title: Re: March in March
Post by wiradjuri on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:42pm
Fortunately the media in general ignored the antics of the hate filled vile un Australian individuals who have shown nothing but contempt for democracy. The PMs response has been dignified. I find it hard to believe that there is much support at all for this type of behaviour in this country but 100,000 ,if it was really that many certainly is not representative of the wider population. I think in the long run this display will only increase support for the coalition now people have seen a such a magnificent display of supporters for the alternative.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:44pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 3:28pm:
This

Thanks and all it took was a letter.  ;D ;D ;D ;D to explain the loons on march for murder day

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:44pm

wiradjuri wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:42pm:
Fortunately the media in general ignored the antics of the hate filled vile un Australian individuals who have shown nothing but contempt for democracy. The PMs response has been dignified. I find it hard to believe that there is much support at all for this type of behaviour in this country but 100,000 ,if it was really that many certainly is not representative of the wider population. I think in the long run this display will only increase support for the coalition now people have seen a such a magnificent display of supporters for the alternative.


Don’t worry chum, the next march will be much bigger.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:46pm
:-/
St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

wiradjuri wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:42pm:
Fortunately the media in general ignored the antics of the hate filled vile un Australian individuals who have shown nothing but contempt for democracy. The PMs response has been dignified. I find it hard to believe that there is much support at all for this type of behaviour in this country but 100,000 ,if it was really that many certainly is not representative of the wider population. I think in the long run this display will only increase support for the coalition now people have seen a such a magnificent display of supporters for the alternative.


Don’t worry chum, the next march will be much bigger.

MFMM

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:49pm
Nah, was Young Libs pretending to be Marchers tried to smear the 100K who took part.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:03pm

wiradjuri wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:42pm:
Fortunately the media in general ignored the antics of the hate filled vile un Australian individuals who have shown nothing but contempt for democracy. The PMs response has been dignified. I find it hard to believe that there is much support at all for this type of behaviour in this country but 100,000 ,if it was really that many certainly is not representative of the wider population. I think in the long run this display will only increase support for the coalition now people have seen a such a magnificent display of supporters for the alternative.

Well they need all the support they can get, banned troll, as Abbott has been sitting on a TPP of 46/54 in most polls for over five months now.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by wiradjuri on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:05pm
The size of the march is irrellevent GeorgeH. Good on them for having the conviction to get out and do it and exercising their democratic right. The absolute flith portrayed on some of the banners and anti Australian and anti democratic rhetoric I find disturbing. Did you have to explain to any children what "F^@k Abbot or F%^c democracy means. At the end of the day they have done more harm than good to their cause. I find it hard to comprehend anyone supporting this display.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:08pm
Don’t confuse a few Young Libs with the 100K who marched.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:08pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:41pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:01pm:
March in March could be Victoria’s last protest after new ‘anti-protest’ law was passed last week

Not in force until September.

I imagine Nazi Newman will be following suit here, before the November G20 leaders meeting.

What happened to democracy?

Welcome to communist Australia fascists. You'll be begging for socialists in a few years time when all your freedoms are gone.

It is unfortunate that they don't have the actual man power to arrest 100,000 people so I guess the free speech brigade will win in the end. Has anyone seen the police trying to arrest the protestors in Egypt or Libya? They get a few but not enough to make a difference.


Democracy put the Coalition in power. That's why these protests are disgusting. People didn't get their way so now they are having a cry. They don't seem to get the fact that in a nation of 23 million people that 100,000 marching means little. If these people actually cared about democracy they wouldn't be walking the streets like a bunch of bad losers. The majority have spoken, they now need to respect that.

Oh, and did we forget about this so soon...



When Abbott has been in power for ten years and has changed the election system so he can never be removed, then go marching screaming for democracy. Complaining after just 6 months in office having been elected by the majority of voters is a joke.

Yes dear, just like the ditch the witch rallies. ::) what is it with the conga line sooks? Whiny little bitches when in opposition and all indignant when their team is in government.


And what is it with the left and right divide which is continually pushed by people like you?

*I did not vote for the current Government
*I said the Canberra protests where ridiculous and Abbott was an idiot for getting involved. 

Of course, had you read this thread you would know that.
 

Had you read my post you would have noted you were not mentioned. Abbott is a dog, I'm pointing out your support for him by whining he needs time.Dont give me your crap about ...Doh I didn't vote for him, I didn't vote for Labor either, but I'm smart enough to see they were better than this abortion, obviously you're not. ::)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by wiradjuri on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:15pm
GeorgeH.. They look quite comfortable in that environment ,in fact they appear proud of their work. You are not seriously proposing some sort of hijacking conspiracy are you.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:55pm

wiradjuri wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:15pm:
GeorgeH.. They look quite comfortable in that environment ,in fact they appear proud of their work. You are not seriously proposing some sort of hijacking conspiracy are you.

Bit hard to unless he is suggesting everyone behind it was a lib conspirator

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:44pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:15pm:
Don't make me laugh kat....  did you protest the last government when they betrayed a promise to all Australians?

As for this latest mockery of marches...

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abc_markets_march_in_march_presenting_only_its_good_side/

Liar, the last government said the night before they were elected they would price carbon and they did, you're a liar, you're even a failure at that.
As for your link.
bolt, ROTFLMAO. ;D ;D :D

You are an idiot Skippy, I'm sorry but it's true...
Gillard broke her promise to the Australian people.
She said several times there would be no Carbon tax.  wayne said it was ridiculous to suggest such a thing the party banked on conning the Australian people that there was going to be no carbon tax or price just like the Libs...  even steven...  Gillard even said she would not do anything until there was a concensus on it.
Now do go away...
Your denial and idiocy re not having the guts to even read bolt yet alone admit he is quite often right marks you as a twit of the highest order. ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:55pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:15pm:
Don't make me laugh kat....  did you protest the last government when they betrayed a promise to all Australians?

As for this latest mockery of marches...

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abc_markets_march_in_march_presenting_only_its_good_side/

Liar, the last government said the night before they were elected they would price carbon and they did, you're a liar, you're even a failure at that.
As for your link.
bolt, ROTFLMAO. ;D ;D :D

You are an idiot Skippy, I'm sorry but it's true...
Gillard broke her promise to the Australian people.
She said several times there would be no Carbon tax.  wayne said it was ridiculous to suggest such a thing the party banked on conning the Australian people that there was going to be no carbon tax or price just like the Libs...  even steven...  Gillard even said she would not do anything until there was a concensus on it.
Now do go away...
Your denial and idiocy re not having the guts to even read bolt yet alone admit he is quite often right marks you as a twit of the highest order. ::) ::) ::)

Gillard said the night before the election she would price carbon, which is what she did, you're a liar, but we already knew that.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:34pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:15pm:
Don't make me laugh kat....  did you protest the last government when they betrayed a promise to all Australians?

As for this latest mockery of marches...

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abc_markets_march_in_march_presenting_only_its_good_side/

Liar, the last government said the night before they were elected they would price carbon and they did, you're a liar, you're even a failure at that.
As for your link.
bolt, ROTFLMAO. ;D ;D :D

You are an idiot Skippy, I'm sorry but it's true...
Gillard broke her promise to the Australian people.
She said several times there would be no Carbon tax.  wayne said it was ridiculous to suggest such a thing the party banked on conning the Australian people that there was going to be no carbon tax or price just like the Libs...  even steven...  Gillard even said she would not do anything until there was a concensus on it.
Now do go away...
Your denial and idiocy re not having the guts to even read bolt yet alone admit he is quite often right marks you as a twit of the highest order. ::) ::) ::)


She also saidseveral times that she was going to price carbon.

Do use the whole quote if you are going to use it at all.

And the carbon 'tax' isn't actually a tax. Yet another Con-alition lie, that one.

At WORST, she was 'economical with the truth'.

It was NEVER the 'lie' the clowns on the right claim it was.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:46pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 9:18pm:
Ad hominem? Bandwagon? You support these protests last weekend and dare accuse anyone of these?

Yes, I dare - you used an ad hominem attack, quite wilfully, as did several other Coalition supporters. You have no right whatsoever to be accusing others, when you did it first.


Quote:
"You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument"

Funny, are you the same person who said this...

[quote]You're just a few more in a conga line of Coalition supporters
[/quote]
Quotation out of context. FAIL.


Quote:
Yes, you are. Playing the player while calling on people to play the ball. No shock there. Fits your attitude that everyone needs to support their claims while you can go around speaking shlt and no one should challenge you on it.

Gee, you're really beating up a quotation deliberately taken out of context. Maybe if you are getting so hoity-toity at what you falsely claim is an ad hominem attack, why are you making them yourself? If you find them so offensive, does that mean you will forever more refrain from this method of argument?

Why don't you go back and have a look at the filthy arguments that some of the right-wing commentariat posted, and preach at them too?

And tell me - what's so bad about a "conga line" anyway that you had to pretend this was an ad hominem attack? How is this an attack on personal traits or character?


Quote:
How about this one,

"You appealed to popularity or the fact that many people do something as an attempted form of validation"

You mean like claiming 100,000 people turned out in protest. Numbers mean something now ay?

You missed the point, really you did. Somehow you've transmogrified a refutation of the Murdoch press's "hundreds" (which is too small by two orders of magnitude) into a bandwagon fallacy. Not really. Exposing the possibility of deception by the mainstream press does not make it a bandwagon fallacy.

While the examples posted are not germane to the points I made, your arguments were wholly built on ad hominem and bandwagon fallacies, and fall to pieces if these are struck out. And, as I have already pointed out, you played the ad hominem card first, as did several others.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:05am

skippy. wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:15pm:
Don't make me laugh kat....  did you protest the last government when they betrayed a promise to all Australians?

As for this latest mockery of marches...

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abc_markets_march_in_march_presenting_only_its_good_side/

Liar, the last government said the night before they were elected they would price carbon and they did, you're a liar, you're even a failure at that.
As for your link.
bolt, ROTFLMAO. ;D ;D :D

You are an idiot Skippy, I'm sorry but it's true...
Gillard broke her promise to the Australian people.
She said several times there would be no Carbon tax.  wayne said it was ridiculous to suggest such a thing the party banked on conning the Australian people that there was going to be no carbon tax or price just like the Libs...  even steven...  Gillard even said she would not do anything until there was a concensus on it.
Now do go away...
Your denial and idiocy re not having the guts to even read bolt yet alone admit he is quite often right marks you as a twit of the highest order. ::) ::) ::)

Gillard said the night before the election she would price carbon, which is what she did, you're a liar, but we already knew that.

Once again you show what a complete idiot you are...

Title: Re: March in March
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:07am

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:05am:
Once again you show what a complete idiot you are...



Are you getting paid by the Labor Party to make the Liberals look really dumb?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:08am

Kat wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:34pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 4:15pm:
Don't make me laugh kat....  did you protest the last government when they betrayed a promise to all Australians?

As for this latest mockery of marches...

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abc_markets_march_in_march_presenting_only_its_good_side/

Liar, the last government said the night before they were elected they would price carbon and they did, you're a liar, you're even a failure at that.
As for your link.
bolt, ROTFLMAO. ;D ;D :D

You are an idiot Skippy, I'm sorry but it's true...
Gillard broke her promise to the Australian people.
She said several times there would be no Carbon tax.  wayne said it was ridiculous to suggest such a thing the party banked on conning the Australian people that there was going to be no carbon tax or price just like the Libs...  even steven...  Gillard even said she would not do anything until there was a concensus on it.
Now do go away...
Your denial and idiocy re not having the guts to even read bolt yet alone admit he is quite often right marks you as a twit of the highest order. ::) ::) ::)


She also saidseveral times that she was going to price carbon.

Do use the whole quote if you are going to use it at all.

And the carbon 'tax' isn't actually a tax. Yet another Con-alition lie, that one.

At WORST, she was 'economical with the truth'.

It was NEVER the 'lie' the clowns on the right claim it was.

Are you a fool like skippy who wants to rewrite history to fit your bias?
I know exactly what went on.
She said there would be no carbon tax.
Wayne said it was ridiculous to suggest there would be one.
She said she would get a national concensus before putting a price on carbon.
No matter how you try to twist it she betrayed us to the greens.
You both need to get a life.  :D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:10am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:07am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:05am:
Once again you show what a complete idiot you are...


Are you getting paid by the Labor Party to make the Liberals look really dumb?

Are you yet another denier of reality pansi?
Of course you are.
Don't you feel bad lying to yourself?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:26am

Bam wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:46pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 9:18pm:
Ad hominem? Bandwagon? You support these protests last weekend and dare accuse anyone of these?

Yes, I dare - you used an ad hominem attack, quite wilfully, as did several other Coalition supporters. You have no right whatsoever to be accusing others, when you did it first.


Quote:
"You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument"

Funny, are you the same person who said this...

[quote]You're just a few more in a conga line of Coalition supporters

Quotation out of context. FAIL.


Quote:
Yes, you are. Playing the player while calling on people to play the ball. No shock there. Fits your attitude that everyone needs to support their claims while you can go around speaking shlt and no one should challenge you on it.

Gee, you're really beating up a quotation deliberately taken out of context. Maybe if you are getting so hoity-toity at what you falsely claim is an ad hominem attack, why are you making them yourself? If you find them so offensive, does that mean you will forever more refrain from this method of argument?

Why don't you go back and have a look at the filthy arguments that some of the right-wing commentariat posted, and preach at them too?

And tell me - what's so bad about a "conga line" anyway that you had to pretend this was an ad hominem attack? How is this an attack on personal traits or character?


Quote:
How about this one,

"You appealed to popularity or the fact that many people do something as an attempted form of validation"

You mean like claiming 100,000 people turned out in protest. Numbers mean something now ay?

You missed the point, really you did. Somehow you've transmogrified a refutation of the Murdoch press's "hundreds" (which is too small by two orders of magnitude) into a bandwagon fallacy. Not really. Exposing the possibility of deception by the mainstream press does not make it a bandwagon fallacy.

While the examples posted are not germane to the points I made, your arguments were wholly built on ad hominem and bandwagon fallacies, and fall to pieces if these are struck out. And, as I have already pointed out, you played the ad hominem card first, as did several others.
[/quote]

Another idiot who thinks he is more educated than he really is. What are you? Another no nothing first years arts student putting your new writing skills to work?

The whole "that's a logical fallacy" is the weakest form of argument on a forum. Is a way of saying "I have no reply, but if I can deconstruct your comment by trying to find something I can call a fallacy then I can pretend to have already won the argument". This seems to be your only form of reply on this forum. I don't think I have ever seen you actually engage in a conversation, but only ever try to avoid dealing with the issue by this "that's a fallacy" or "your resorting to insults" type responses. Funnily enough, you're one of the worse offenders of the very thing you complain about others doing.

Like all people on this forum who think they are too smart to just deal with the issue, you're only impressing yourself.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:50am
For those of you who keep harking back to this one speech of Julia's and ignoring everything else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EyW7oFk6n8

there ya go...

When asked specifically about ruling in or out the Carbon Tax she clearly states on this occasion that...

AH THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER THE GOVERNMENT I LEAD.

She goes on to state what they will do.

There is NO CARBON TAX in her agenda.

NO CARBON PRICE mentioned either.

AND LEADING OUR NATIONAL DEBATE TO REACH A CONCENSUS ABOUT PUTTING A CAP ON CARBON POLLUTION.

So as you can see...  you are all wrong and I've been bloody well right.

Please post all humble apologies below.  ::)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by woody2013 on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:59am

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:50am:
For those of you who keep harking back to this one speech of Julia's and ignoring everything else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EyW7oFk6n8

there ya go...

When asked specifically about ruling in or out the Carbon Tax she clearly states on this occasion that...

AH THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER THE GOVERNMENT I LEAD.

She goes on to state what they will do.

There is NO CARBON TAX in her agenda.

NO CARBON PRICE mentioned either.

AND LEADING OUR NATIONAL DEBATE TO REACH A CONCENSUS ABOUT PUTTING A CAP ON CARBON POLLUTION.

So as you can see...  you are all wrong and I've been bloody well right.

Please post all humble apologies below.  ::)



Not going to happen ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:03am

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:50am:
For those of you who keep harking back to this one speech of Julia's and ignoring everything else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EyW7oFk6n8

there ya go...

When asked specifically about ruling in or out the Carbon Tax she clearly states on this occasion that...

AH THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER THE GOVERNMENT I LEAD.

She goes on to state what they will do.

There is NO CARBON TAX in her agenda.

NO CARBON PRICE mentioned either.

AND LEADING OUR NATIONAL DEBATE TO REACH A CONCENSUS ABOUT PUTTING A CAP ON CARBON POLLUTION.

So as you can see...  you are all wrong and I've been bloody well right.

Please post all humble apologies below.  ::)

End of story, except the loons have been told before and still try to say black is white.

I cant remember coming to a concensus on capping carbon pollution, can you. I can remember this biatch lying and thanks for showing it all in one video

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:59pm
Skippy?  Kat? Pansi? and the rest of you progressive ignorant Leftards...  where's my apology?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by mantra on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:06pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Skippy?  Kat? Pansi? and the rest of you progressive ignorant Leftards...  where's my apology?


Why would anyone bother apologising to someone as insulting as you? Some of us here are owed thousands of apologies from you due to the numerous political errors you've made over the years where you've got your facts and fiction mixed up.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:11pm

mantra wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Skippy?  Kat? Pansi? and the rest of you progressive ignorant Leftards...  where's my apology?


Why would anyone bother apologising to someone as insulting as you? Some of us here are owed thousands of apologies from you due to the numerous political errors you've made over the years where you've got your facts and fiction mixed up.

Now that's not true mantra.
Are you suggesting I'm wrong?
If so, I suggest a very long holiday for you... because I am as usual... completely correct.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:19pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:11pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Skippy?  Kat? Pansi? and the rest of you progressive ignorant Leftards...  where's my apology?


Why would anyone bother apologising to someone as insulting as you? Some of us here are owed thousands of apologies from you due to the numerous political errors you've made over the years where you've got your facts and fiction mixed up.

Now that's not true mantra.
Are you suggesting I'm wrong?
If so, I suggest a very long holiday for you... because I am as usual... completely correct.

BAM where is your post from last week in which Gillard clearly stated the night before the election she would introduce a price on carbon if elected.  Boofy completely ignores her statement where she clearly says SHE WILL PRICE CARBON, does boofy  have a disability? No, people with a disability are much smarter than him.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:58pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:19pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:11pm:

mantra wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Skippy?  Kat? Pansi? and the rest of you progressive ignorant Leftards...  where's my apology?


Why would anyone bother apologising to someone as insulting as you? Some of us here are owed thousands of apologies from you due to the numerous political errors you've made over the years where you've got your facts and fiction mixed up.

Now that's not true mantra.
Are you suggesting I'm wrong?
If so, I suggest a very long holiday for you... because I am as usual... completely correct.

BAM where is your post from last week in which Gillard clearly stated the night before the election she would introduce a price on carbon if elected.  Boofy completely ignores her statement where she clearly says SHE WILL PRICE CARBON, does boofy  have a disability? No, people with a disability are much smarter than him.

I used the piece you are all referring to
I told you she made several statements about it and not all were the same...  Kat agrees.
Now that piece you all think backs you up...  doesn't so apologise.
I told you what was said in the election and why.
She betrayed us pure and simple...  she said she wouldn't and she did...  she didn't have to, but she chose to break her word.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by dsmithy70 on Mar 20th, 2014 at 2:03pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:58pm:
She betrayed us pure and simple...  she said she wouldn't and she did...  she didn't have to, but she chose to break her word.



And "she" has been voted out.

What more do you want???

Oh that's right as much time as possible talking about crap that no longer matters so as to avoid having to answer why you accept the same crap from Tony Abbott.

Tony's lied to you over several issues

Why no Convoy of no confidence for him?


Title: Re: March in March
Post by mozzaok on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:26pm
As usual the conalition divert the attention of their loyal minions, while they subvert the truth for the rest of us.

Using tactics that would make a STASI commandant proud, a gunship grey curtain is dropped around the asylum seekers issues, by a Minister obsessed with secrecy, keeping the Australian public, and the world, in contemptuous ignorance.

The March in March is a statement by ordinary Aussies that they do not stand with this government, on many issues, but especiall it's policies of cruelly inhumane treatment of asylum seekers.                                                                                                               

Title: Re: March in March
Post by wiradjuri on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:40pm
There was nothing ordinary about the MIM protesters, in fact I would class many of them as "very ordinary Australians" . Certainly a representation of the small minority of very ordinary Australians. They need to have a look at some of the rubbish on their placards and T shirts etc..even David Shoebridge was embarressed and he is a unit. Apparantly he is advocating some sort of "protest schooling". Why not just try common decencey.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:44pm
Nah, I was in Adelaide MiM, was ordinary Aussies of all ages. Quite a few Lib voters there too, already disillusioned by a worse than very ordinary govt.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:46pm

mozzaok wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:26pm:
The March in March is a statement by ordinary Aussies that they do not stand with this government, on many issues


Yep I'd agree with that.  Very ordinary Aussies indeed.  [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

Title: Re: March in March
Post by wiradjuri on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:50pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:44pm:
Nah, I was in Adelaide, was ordinary Aussies of all ages. Quite a few Lib voters there too, already disillusioned by a worse than very ordinary govt.


Keep telling yourself that GeorgeH, say it loud and often and you will believe it.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:53pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:46pm:

mozzaok wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:26pm:
The March in March is a statement by ordinary Aussies that they do not stand with this government, on many issues


Yep I'd agree with that.  Very ordinary Aussies indeed.  [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

Except you weren’t at any of the MiM events, have no real knowledge. Just hyperdefensive about the mess the simian and shambles are making.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by dsmithy70 on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:56pm

wiradjuri wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:44pm:
Nah, I was in Adelaide, was ordinary Aussies of all ages. Quite a few Lib voters there too, already disillusioned by a worse than very ordinary govt.


Keep telling yourself that GeorgeH, say it loud and often and you will believe it.


Can you link me to these signs?

So far I've seen 1 t-shirt & 1 sign so out of 100K plus of protestor I've seen 1 sign on poor taste.

Heard alot about these offensive slogans but am yet to see any, Sky was even trolling for them but seemed to have come up with zilch.

Look forward to your link, yes your new so do this www. offensivesigns . com. au, I'll remove spaces

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Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:00pm

wiradjuri wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:44pm:
Nah, I was in Adelaide, was ordinary Aussies of all ages. Quite a few Lib voters there too, already disillusioned by a worse than very ordinary govt.


Keep telling yourself that GeorgeH, say it loud and often and you will believe it.

I am quite happy to load the dozens of photos I took and you can make your own mind up.

I was there. I saw no ferals, I saw young and old, male and female, no ferals, some dressed very classily. You idiots really are worried.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by wiradjuri on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:05pm
Like I said keep telling yourself that mate. I think even the dyed in the wool leftist zealots have come to the conclusion that it was a complete and utter farce and are trying to distance themselves from it , nothing on the news today...all finished ,nothing to see, move on .

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:08pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:46pm:

mozzaok wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:26pm:
The March in March is a statement by ordinary Aussies that they do not stand with this government, on many issues


Yep I'd agree with that.  Very ordinary Aussies indeed.  [smiley=thumbdown.gif]



You would .

But then, you seem to have major issues with anyone who doesn't agree 100% with your attitudes, mores and beliefs.

These people are the real Australians... the ones the Right still refuse to acknowledge exist, and/or attempt
to disenfranchise at every opportunity.

The more you 'people' try to ridicule, denigrate, belittle and minimalise the march and the marchers , and the more you
try to make it personal against them, the more ignorant and stupid you appear.

Must really cut you mob up that none of the marchers played into your hands with a bit of push-and-shove, or vandalism
as I'm sure many of the low-lifes on the right were eagerly awaiting just such an occurrence, to use in discrediting the
Marches.

The marchers have nothing to be ashamed of, but their detractors most certainly do.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:14pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Skippy?  Kat? Pansi? and the rest of you progressive ignorant Leftards...  where's my apology?

How about apologising to me for spending days trying to get me to say I said something I never said?

You are just a troll and are beginning to piss off even your fellow rightists like codswallop.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:20pm

Kat wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:08pm:
These people are the real Australians...


Real Australians don't carry on like pork chops the way those mobs did.

Real Australians were at the footy,  out fishing, or taking their kids to sport, or having BBQs, or at the beach.  They certainly weren't out whinging and whining in bully boy mobs demanding hand outs and the shooting of working people in the back of the head... :(

Title: Re: March in March
Post by wiradjuri on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:20pm

Kat wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:08pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:46pm:

mozzaok wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:26pm:
The March in March is a statement by ordinary Aussies that they do not stand with this government, on many issues


Yep I'd agree with that.  Very ordinary Aussies indeed.  [smiley=thumbdown.gif]



You would .

But then, you seem to have major issues with anyone who doesn't agree 100% with your attitudes, mores and beliefs.

These people are the real Australians... the ones the Right still refuse to acknowledge exist, and/or attempt
to disenfranchise at every opportunity.

The more you 'people' try to ridicule, denigrate, belittle and minimalise the march and the marchers , and the more you
try to make it personal against them, the more ignorant and stupid you appear.

Must really cut you mob up that none of the marchers played into your hands with a bit of push-and-shove, or vandalism
as I'm sure many of the low-lifes on the right were eagerly awaiting just such an occurrence, to use in discrediting the
Marches.

The marchers have nothing to be ashamed of, but their detractors most certainly do.

FAIL of the epic type ;D .At least they had the decency to only waste their own time. If they are silly enough to have another one misbehaviour will be the order of the day because they were pretty well ignored this time. Watch and see ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:25pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:20pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:08pm:
These people are the real Australians...


Real Australians don't carry on like pork chops the way those mobs did.

Real Australians were at the footy,  out fishing, or taking their kids to sport, or having BBQs, or at the beach.  They certainly weren't out whinging and whining in bully boy mobs demanding hand outs and the shooting of working people in the back of the head... :(

Didn’t see any whining or bullying.

Give it up. Many people are upset at the mess the simian is making of the country. People from all walks of life.






Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:58pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:26am:

Bam wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:46pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 9:18pm:
Ad hominem? Bandwagon? You support these protests last weekend and dare accuse anyone of these?

Yes, I dare - you used an ad hominem attack, quite wilfully, as did several other Coalition supporters. You have no right whatsoever to be accusing others, when you did it first.


Quote:
"You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument"

Funny, are you the same person who said this...

[quote]You're just a few more in a conga line of Coalition supporters

Quotation out of context. FAIL.

[quote]Yes, you are. Playing the player while calling on people to play the ball. No shock there. Fits your attitude that everyone needs to support their claims while you can go around speaking shlt and no one should challenge you on it.

Gee, you're really beating up a quotation deliberately taken out of context. Maybe if you are getting so hoity-toity at what you falsely claim is an ad hominem attack, why are you making them yourself? If you find them so offensive, does that mean you will forever more refrain from this method of argument?

Why don't you go back and have a look at the filthy arguments that some of the right-wing commentariat posted, and preach at them too?

And tell me - what's so bad about a "conga line" anyway that you had to pretend this was an ad hominem attack? How is this an attack on personal traits or character?


Quote:
How about this one,

"You appealed to popularity or the fact that many people do something as an attempted form of validation"

You mean like claiming 100,000 people turned out in protest. Numbers mean something now ay?

You missed the point, really you did. Somehow you've transmogrified a refutation of the Murdoch press's "hundreds" (which is too small by two orders of magnitude) into a bandwagon fallacy. Not really. Exposing the possibility of deception by the mainstream press does not make it a bandwagon fallacy.

While the examples posted are not germane to the points I made, your arguments were wholly built on ad hominem and bandwagon fallacies, and fall to pieces if these are struck out. And, as I have already pointed out, you played the ad hominem card first, as did several others.
[/quote]

Another idiot who thinks he is more educated than he really is. What are you? Another no knownothing first years arts student putting your new writing skills to work?

The whole "that's a logical fallacy" is the weakest form of argument on a forum. Is a way of saying "I have no reply, but if I can deconstruct your comment by trying to find something I can call a fallacy then I can pretend to have already won the argument". This seems to be your only form of reply on this forum. I don't think I have ever seen you actually engage in a conversation, but only ever try to avoid dealing with the issue by this "that's a fallacy" or "your resorting to insults" type responses. Funnily enough, you're one of the worse offenders of the very thing you complain about others doing.

Like all people on this forum who think they are too smart to just deal with the issue, you're only impressing yourself. [/quote]

Look, simply put, if you are going to attack another person's intelligence, at least proof read. You're clearly capable of getting it right... As such it just looks dumb.

Now, as to logical fallacy... It is concept that is attached to critical thinking, as such, and on this forum I can understand why that is not crucial to "dealing with the issue", clearly, it might get a tad too complex

I took the liberty of copying this information for you (and many others);

"An Encyclopedia of Errors of Reasoning

The ability to identify logical fallacies in the arguments of others, and to avoid them in one’s own arguments, is both valuable and increasingly rare. Fallacious reasoning keeps us from knowing the truth, and the inability to think critically makes us vulnerable to manipulation by those skilled in the art of rhetoric.

What is a Logical Fallacy?

A logical fallacy is, roughly speaking, an error of reasoning. When someone adopts a position, or tries to persuade someone else to adopt a position, based on a bad piece of reasoning, they commit a fallacy. I say “roughly speaking” because this definition has a few problems, the most important of which are outlined below. Some logical fallacies are more common than others, and so have been named and defined. When people speak of logical fallacies they often mean to refer to this collection of well-known errors of reasoning, rather than to fallacies in the broader, more technical sense given above."

It came from;
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

Feel free to read further to get some learnin' under your belt regarding thinking no, that's not fair, regarding the facts about Logical Fallacy and Fallacious thinking - it seems that it might be important to honest debating.

Hmmm, honest debating.... I apologies in advance for the potential irrelevancy of this concept.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:30pm
No consequence....?

28 pages here and still going... Yeah, no real consequence I suppose.

It seems a long winded and convoluted journey this thread. It covers so much ground, a walk down memory road with historical reminders, philosophy, and a whole lot of stuff no where near relevant to the March...

I note a couple of things that stand out to me, my opinion in other words, specifically regarding this thread and the wider commentary about the March in March.

It seems that those opposed to the March in March (for whatever reason), did not see a clear point to it. Fare enough I say, there was no single clear point, that is the point though, there are many and varied "points" of concern for many and varied people. The fact that some do not see the complexity of this is actually their problem, not mine or those who protested.

The appallingly narrow focussed media propaganda coverage of a few cherry picked slogans, t shirts or banners actually detracts from those who oppose the march more than those present. Let's face it, if the propaganda machine actually provided news coverage and wide news coverage, then there would be quite clearly a diverse array of "slogans" from the protest, then, there would be an opportunity for a reasonable and logical debate. By not presenting the broader ideas/concerns of some more thoughtful protesters (and by extension not even acknowledging some thoughtful people being present) those opposed to this protest have done democracy a disservice. You might not like the message, but, in a genuine democracy, you would support the person's right to air it.

It has been more than clearly articulated that the original organisers of the March asked for people to be thoughtful with signs/banners etc and to try to make the day a family day. Nice request. Clearly though, some people's grasp of their personal right to freedom of expression (you know, one of those pesky basic tenants of a genuine democracy) overrode their sense of decency and propriety. I may not like it, but so be it, it is the price we pay apparently for freedom of expression.

Would anyone here seriously want to loose that freedom, that right?

To my mind, one of the main reasons the "message" may have been a wee bit too confusing for some is the inherent and (to my mind) deliberately dumbing down (in political education context) of the wider Australian public. This March attended by a broad range of Australian's (not just the pigeon holed few that the scared and nasty amoeba's angrily deride) was a shout out about being disinherited by the Political System we have bridled ourselves to. The non Representative, Representative Democracy. I mean, be honest, many here clearly are of the opinion that six years of a Labor Government has brought us all to the brink of ruin. I am not going to argue about that, hell, it could be right. However, there are many (not necessarily here) who, whilst not arguing with that, have realised that in six months under the Liberal party Government we may, in fact, actually be even closer to ruin. Inconceivable you say...

Some have made the point that the March was somehow meaningless because it did not have any backing/support from any major political parties. I laugh at this idea, openly, and if that seems derisive, well I apologise. I laugh, because I am a sixth generation Australian, as such, I don't feel the need to have some suit who does not represent me give me permission to this my thoughts. Further, I don't need support when I protest a problem from someone who is part of the problem. I realise this may confront some thinkers (thinkers used in it's broadest possible meaning) here.

I hope that the March in March was/is both a warning bell and a beacon - it is appropriate that we move (as a country) toward genuine political change, not a change of Government, a complete change of how we do "Government" from the grassroots up.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:36pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:25pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:20pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:08pm:
These people are the real Australians...


Real Australians don't carry on like pork chops the way those mobs did.

Real Australians were at the footy,  out fishing, or taking their kids to sport, or having BBQs, or at the beach.  They certainly weren't out whinging and whining in bully boy mobs demanding hand outs and the shooting of working people in the back of the head... :(

Didn’t see any whining or bullying.

Give it up. Many people are upset at the mess the simian is making of the country. People from all walks of life.






Is that a sign calling Abbott someones bitch. Ummaaa


Title: Re: March in March
Post by dsmithy70 on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:37pm
Thank you Phemanderac

Pity we don't get more like it

Great post :)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:42pm

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
No consequence....?

28 pages here and still going... Yeah, no real consequence I suppose.

It seems a long winded and convoluted journey this thread. It covers so much ground, a walk down memory road with historical reminders, philosophy, and a whole lot of stuff no where near relevant to the March...

I note a couple of things that stand out to me, my opinion in other words, specifically regarding this thread and the wider commentary about the March in March.

It seems that those opposed to the March in March (for whatever reason), did not see a clear point to it. Fare enough I say, there was no single clear point, that is the point though, there are many and varied "points" of concern for many and varied people. The fact that some do not see the complexity of this is actually their problem, not mine or those who protested.

The appallingly narrow focussed media propaganda coverage of a few cherry picked slogans, t shirts or banners actually detracts from those who oppose the march more than those present. Let's face it, if the propaganda machine actually provided news coverage and wide news coverage, then there would be quite clearly a diverse array of "slogans" from the protest, then, there would be an opportunity for a reasonable and logical debate. By not presenting the broader ideas/concerns of some more thoughtful protesters (and by extension not even acknowledging some thoughtful people being present) those opposed to this protest have done democracy a disservice. You might not like the message, but, in a genuine democracy, you would support the person's right to air it.

It has been more than clearly articulated that the original organisers of the March asked for people to be thoughtful with signs/banners etc and to try to make the day a family day. Nice request. Clearly though, some people's grasp of their personal right to freedom of expression (you know, one of those pesky basic tenants of a genuine democracy) overrode their sense of decency and propriety. I may not like it, but so be it, it is the price we pay apparently for freedom of expression.

Would anyone here seriously want to loose that freedom, that right?

To my mind, one of the main reasons the "message" may have been a wee bit too confusing for some is the inherent and (to my mind) deliberately dumbing down (in political education context) of the wider Australian public. This March attended by a broad range of Australian's (not just the pigeon holed few that the scared and nasty amoeba's angrily deride) was a shout out about being disinherited by the Political System we have bridled ourselves to. The non Representative, Representative Democracy. I mean, be honest, many here clearly are of the opinion that six years of a Labor Government has brought us all to the brink of ruin. I am not going to argue about that, hell, it could be right. However, there are many (not necessarily here) who, whilst not arguing with that, have realised that in six months under the Liberal party Government we may, in fact, actually be even closer to ruin. Inconceivable you say...

Some have made the point that the March was somehow meaningless because it did not have any backing/support from any major political parties. I laugh at this idea, openly, and if that seems derisive, well I apologise. I laugh, because I am a sixth generation Australian, as such, I don't feel the need to have some suit who does not represent me give me permission to this my thoughts. Further, I don't need support when I protest a problem from someone who is part of the problem. I realise this may confront some thinkers (thinkers used in it's broadest possible meaning) here.

I hope that the March in March was/is both a warning bell and a beacon - it is appropriate that we move (as a country) toward genuine political change, not a change of Government, a complete change of how we do "Government" from the grassroots up.

Not at all. A bunch of sour grape losers, does nothing except highlight their soured grapes.

Better luck next time at getting your party voted in, but not really.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:54pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 1:58pm:
She betrayed us pure and simple...  she said she wouldn't and she did...  she didn't have to, but she chose to break her word.



And "she" has been voted out.

What more do you want???

Oh that's right as much time as possible talking about crap that no longer matters so as to avoid having to answer why you accept the same crap from Tony Abbott.

Tony's lied to you over several issues

Why no Convoy of no confidence for him?

Listen buddy if you want to comment keep up with the conversation... 
I never brought it up in the first place but I'm not about to let the ignorant insult me lie and get away with it.
They keep denying what actually happened... take it up with them.
I'm just telling the truth and posting the facts.  ::)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:54pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:37pm:
Thank you Phemanderac

Pity we don't get more like it

Great post :)


I'll second that.

Well said, Phem...  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:54pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
No consequence....?

28 pages here and still going... Yeah, no real consequence I suppose.

It seems a long winded and convoluted journey this thread. It covers so much ground, a walk down memory road with historical reminders, philosophy, and a whole lot of stuff no where near relevant to the March...

I note a couple of things that stand out to me, my opinion in other words, specifically regarding this thread and the wider commentary about the March in March.

It seems that those opposed to the March in March (for whatever reason), did not see a clear point to it. Fare enough I say, there was no single clear point, that is the point though, there are many and varied "points" of concern for many and varied people. The fact that some do not see the complexity of this is actually their problem, not mine or those who protested.

The appallingly narrow focussed media propaganda coverage of a few cherry picked slogans, t shirts or banners actually detracts from those who oppose the march more than those present. Let's face it, if the propaganda machine actually provided news coverage and wide news coverage, then there would be quite clearly a diverse array of "slogans" from the protest, then, there would be an opportunity for a reasonable and logical debate. By not presenting the broader ideas/concerns of some more thoughtful protesters (and by extension not even acknowledging some thoughtful people being present) those opposed to this protest have done democracy a disservice. You might not like the message, but, in a genuine democracy, you would support the person's right to air it.

It has been more than clearly articulated that the original organisers of the March asked for people to be thoughtful with signs/banners etc and to try to make the day a family day. Nice request. Clearly though, some people's grasp of their personal right to freedom of expression (you know, one of those pesky basic tenants of a genuine democracy) overrode their sense of decency and propriety. I may not like it, but so be it, it is the price we pay apparently for freedom of expression.

Would anyone here seriously want to loose that freedom, that right?

To my mind, one of the main reasons the "message" may have been a wee bit too confusing for some is the inherent and (to my mind) deliberately dumbing down (in political education context) of the wider Australian public. This March attended by a broad range of Australian's (not just the pigeon holed few that the scared and nasty amoeba's angrily deride) was a shout out about being disinherited by the Political System we have bridled ourselves to. The non Representative, Representative Democracy. I mean, be honest, many here clearly are of the opinion that six years of a Labor Government has brought us all to the brink of ruin. I am not going to argue about that, hell, it could be right. However, there are many (not necessarily here) who, whilst not arguing with that, have realised that in six months under the Liberal party Government we may, in fact, actually be even closer to ruin. Inconceivable you say...

Some have made the point that the March was somehow meaningless because it did not have any backing/support from any major political parties. I laugh at this idea, openly, and if that seems derisive, well I apologise. I laugh, because I am a sixth generation Australian, as such, I don't feel the need to have some suit who does not represent me give me permission to this my thoughts. Further, I don't need support when I protest a problem from someone who is part of the problem. I realise this may confront some thinkers (thinkers used in it's broadest possible meaning) here.

I hope that the March in March was/is both a warning bell and a beacon - it is appropriate that we move (as a country) toward genuine political change, not a change of Government, a complete change of how we do "Government" from the grassroots up.

Not at all. A bunch of sour grape losers, does nothing except highlight their soured grapes.

Better luck next time at getting your party voted in, but not really.


LOL, seriously no, thanks for your input. What I hope for is my responsibility and not yours to dictate or, for that matter, get entirely wrong. But it's ok, I know you gave it your best, it was just sadly lacking.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:54pm
Thanks for the positive feedback you two.

;)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:56pm

mozzaok wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 3:26pm:
As usual the conalition divert the attention of their loyal minions, while they subvert the truth for the rest of us.

Using tactics that would make a STASI commandant proud, a gunship grey curtain is dropped around the asylum seekers issues, by a Minister obsessed with secrecy, keeping the Australian public, and the world, in contemptuous ignorance.

The March in March is a statement by ordinary Aussies that they do not stand with this government, on many issues, but especiall it's policies of cruelly inhumane treatment of asylum seekers.                              

We know Labor and The Greens don't stand with the Coalition...  isn't it about time they grew up and accepted they lost the election.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:59pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 8:36am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 7:34am:
I think the ones with signs calling for Abbott & Joyce to be killed—were Young Libs trying to sabotage the marches. That sign re flipping Abbott & flipping democracy was about the only non–home made sign I saw. I took part in the Adelaide march and moved around through the crowd to find places to take photos from—all was friendly, good humored, no mob, no threats. Criticism not threats.

Where's the CUCKOO EMOTICON>>>>

:D ;D :D ;D :D


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:00pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 12:56pm:
Tribal warfare, the hatefest runs. Bully barbarians at their intellectual “best”


Quote:
Here in Australia the intellectual depth and moral caliber of the fans of big-government handouts is on display. This is a world where your intellect and popularity is measured in how much you hate Tony Abbott and Andrew Bolt.

The witless debate ensues, aka the March-in-March protest this weekend: “How much money should we take; you’re a racist, homophobic, corporate a**  _______.”  Last week a thrash band mock-beheaded Tony Abbott with jets of squirting blood for entertainment. It’s base, it’s barbarian, it’s childish and extreme. Enough.

Last week the ABC wallowed in rants, namcalling and false claims about Andrew Bolt. He who argues we should not judge people by their race, gets called a racist. Tonight the ABC finally agree to “clarify” the claims. (Why not just apologize?) Today, surprise, the ABC finds space for 43 protest photos, but omits the ones that show the depraved nature of some of the protestors.  It’s not reporting, it’s propaganda. Privatize it.


just check out the images...

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/03/tribal-warfare-the-hatefest-runs-bully-barbarians-at-their-intellectual-best/

Seems to validate everything I've been saying.  ::)

Of course as you would have noticed Monkey Boy Geooooorge thinks its all the work of young Liberals  :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:01pm
Oh and BTW I'm still waiting for that apology from the prog Leftards....

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:04pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:20pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 4:08pm:
These people are the real Australians...


Real Australians don't carry on like pork chops the way those mobs did.

Real Australians were at the footy,  out fishing, or taking their kids to sport, or having BBQs, or at the beach.  They certainly weren't out whinging and whining in bully boy mobs demanding hand outs and the shooting of working people in the back of the head... :(


Now, THAT is an out-and-out lie, and you know it.

Where are the arrests, the charges, the queues of protestors fronting court this week
proclaiming innocence and assaulting camera crews, as you so wished HAD occurred?

Quite simply, because there WAS NO pork-chop-like behaviour. Probably because they
knew that was what the neo-cons hoped would happen, and wouldn't give them the
satisfaction of having been proven correct.

If your bogus cheap shot were factual, you'd surely see them AND hear about them?

So, where are they?


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Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:08pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
No consequence....?

28 pages here and still going... Yeah, no real consequence I suppose.

It seems a long winded and convoluted journey this thread. It covers so much ground, a walk down memory road with historical reminders, philosophy, and a whole lot of stuff no where near relevant to the March...

I note a couple of things that stand out to me, my opinion in other words, specifically regarding this thread and the wider commentary about the March in March.

It seems that those opposed to the March in March (for whatever reason), did not see a clear point to it. Fare enough I say, there was no single clear point, that is the point though, there are many and varied "points" of concern for many and varied people. The fact that some do not see the complexity of this is actually their problem, not mine or those who protested.

The appallingly narrow focussed media propaganda coverage of a few cherry picked slogans, t shirts or banners actually detracts from those who oppose the march more than those present. Let's face it, if the propaganda machine actually provided news coverage and wide news coverage, then there would be quite clearly a diverse array of "slogans" from the protest, then, there would be an opportunity for a reasonable and logical debate. By not presenting the broader ideas/concerns of some more thoughtful protesters (and by extension not even acknowledging some thoughtful people being present) those opposed to this protest have done democracy a disservice. You might not like the message, but, in a genuine democracy, you would support the person's right to air it.

It has been more than clearly articulated that the original organisers of the March asked for people to be thoughtful with signs/banners etc and to try to make the day a family day. Nice request. Clearly though, some people's grasp of their personal right to freedom of expression (you know, one of those pesky basic tenants of a genuine democracy) overrode their sense of decency and propriety. I may not like it, but so be it, it is the price we pay apparently for freedom of expression.

Would anyone here seriously want to loose that freedom, that right?

To my mind, one of the main reasons the "message" may have been a wee bit too confusing for some is the inherent and (to my mind) deliberately dumbing down (in political education context) of the wider Australian public. This March attended by a broad range of Australian's (not just the pigeon holed few that the scared and nasty amoeba's angrily deride) was a shout out about being disinherited by the Political System we have bridled ourselves to. The non Representative, Representative Democracy. I mean, be honest, many here clearly are of the opinion that six years of a Labor Government has brought us all to the brink of ruin. I am not going to argue about that, hell, it could be right. However, there are many (not necessarily here) who, whilst not arguing with that, have realised that in six months under the Liberal party Government we may, in fact, actually be even closer to ruin. Inconceivable you say...

Some have made the point that the March was somehow meaningless because it did not have any backing/support from any major political parties. I laugh at this idea, openly, and if that seems derisive, well I apologise. I laugh, because I am a sixth generation Australian, as such, I don't feel the need to have some suit who does not represent me give me permission to this my thoughts. Further, I don't need support when I protest a problem from someone who is part of the problem. I realise this may confront some thinkers (thinkers used in it's broadest possible meaning) here.

I hope that the March in March was/is both a warning bell and a beacon - it is appropriate that we move (as a country) toward genuine political change, not a change of Government, a complete change of how we do "Government" from the grassroots up.

Not at all. A bunch of sour grape losers, does nothing except highlight their soured grapes.

Better luck next time at getting your party voted in, but not really.



"There are none so blind, than those who will not see."

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:13pm
No need to comment on yourself Kat...  happy for you to apologise NOW BTW.  :) :) :)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:18pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:26am:

Bam wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:46pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 9:18pm:
Ad hominem? Bandwagon? You support these protests last weekend and dare accuse anyone of these?

Yes, I dare - you used an ad hominem attack, quite wilfully, as did several other Coalition supporters. You have no right whatsoever to be accusing others, when you did it first.


Quote:
"You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument"

Funny, are you the same person who said this...

[quote]You're just a few more in a conga line of Coalition supporters

Quotation out of context. FAIL.

[quote]Yes, you are. Playing the player while calling on people to play the ball. No shock there. Fits your attitude that everyone needs to support their claims while you can go around speaking shlt and no one should challenge you on it.

Gee, you're really beating up a quotation deliberately taken out of context. Maybe if you are getting so hoity-toity at what you falsely claim is an ad hominem attack, why are you making them yourself? If you find them so offensive, does that mean you will forever more refrain from this method of argument?

Why don't you go back and have a look at the filthy arguments that some of the right-wing commentariat posted, and preach at them too?

And tell me - what's so bad about a "conga line" anyway that you had to pretend this was an ad hominem attack? How is this an attack on personal traits or character?


Quote:
How about this one,

"You appealed to popularity or the fact that many people do something as an attempted form of validation"

You mean like claiming 100,000 people turned out in protest. Numbers mean something now ay?

You missed the point, really you did. Somehow you've transmogrified a refutation of the Murdoch press's "hundreds" (which is too small by two orders of magnitude) into a bandwagon fallacy. Not really. Exposing the possibility of deception by the mainstream press does not make it a bandwagon fallacy.

While the examples posted are not germane to the points I made, your arguments were wholly built on ad hominem and bandwagon fallacies, and fall to pieces if these are struck out. And, as I have already pointed out, you played the ad hominem card first, as did several others.
[/quote]

Another idiot who thinks he is more educated than he really is. What are you? Another no nothing first years arts student putting your new writing skills to work?[/quote]
More ad hominem. How disappointing. Why do you go around making ad hominem attacks and other fallacious rubbish, and then pretend to be aggrieved when it's called out for the nonsense it is?


Quote:
The whole "that's a logical fallacy" is the weakest form of argument on a forum. Is a way of saying "I have no reply, but if I can deconstruct your comment by trying to find something I can call a fallacy then I can pretend to have already won the argument".

Rubbish. You don't even know what you're talking about. Fallacious arguments are demonstrably flawed. Demonstrating the flaw is a valid way of refuting an argument.

If you can't understand what a fallacy is, why do you bother?


Quote:
This seems to be your only form of reply on this forum.

You don't read much.


Quote:
I don't think I have ever seen you actually engage in a conversation, but only ever try to avoid dealing with the issue by this "that's a fallacy" or "your resorting to insults" type responses.

Showing why an argument is a load of crap is a valid method of refuting an argument.

Attacking posters on a personal level is not.


Quote:
Funnily enough, you're one of the worse offenders of the very thing you complain about others doing.

That is a lie. There are numerous posters on the forums that engage in personal attacks as a standard tactic. I do not, though I will defend myself.


Quote:
Like all people on this forum who think they are too smart to just deal with the issue, you're only impressing yourself.

More ad hominem from you. You cannot refute the assertion that you have made a few fallacious arguments, so like many you go straight for the personal attack. How predictable.

I note that you've not been able to refute a single argument.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:58pm
Great post, and on topic. For reasons of space I'll only comment on a couple of points.

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
It seems that those opposed to the March in March (for whatever reason), did not see a clear point to it. Fare enough I say, there was no single clear point, that is the point though, there are many and varied "points" of concern for many and varied people. The fact that some do not see the complexity of this is actually their problem, not mine or those who protested.

Indeed - people had a few issues to complain about, so it is not surprising that the protests may appear to have lacked focus. Actually though the protests did have focus - all were protesting against the Abbott government.

It's a bit different to protest marches that I've participated in - three in total, and all against policy decisions of Labor governments. In those protests, there was a single issue.


Quote:
It has been more than clearly articulated that the original organisers of the March asked for people to be thoughtful with signs/banners etc and to try to make the day a family day. Nice request. Clearly though, some people's grasp of their personal right to freedom of expression (you know, one of those pesky basic tenants of a genuine democracy) overrode their sense of decency and propriety. I may not like it, but so be it, it is the price we pay apparently for freedom of expression.

Would anyone here seriously want to loose that freedom, that right?

I like living in a country where people can freely and peacefully express in public dissatisfaction with the government, without the government calling out riot squads to fire water cannons, tear gas, rubber bullets, real bullets or tank rounds. We take too much for granted.


Quote:
I hope that the March in March was/is both a warning bell and a beacon - it is appropriate that we move (as a country) toward genuine political change, not a change of Government, a complete change of how we do "Government" from the grassroots up.

Politics in this country are too many personal attacks and too few debates on policy.

Our current Prime Minister is particularly prone to this. He has never really attempted to engage Australians in an honest discussion on policies to find consensus but rather has attempted to impose his view on the country without discussion and without compromise. This dictatorial approach is not one that makes for a long stay for him in the Lodge or for his government on the Treasury benches.

However, other parties are not immune to this failing of getting too personal.

Our political leaders should read the entrails. The public are fed up with the current political approach from the major parties, and a fundamental change of approach is needed from both sides of politics.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:06pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 12:56pm:
Tribal warfare, the hatefest runs. Bully barbarians at their intellectual “best”


Quote:
Here in Australia the intellectual depth and moral caliber of the fans of big-government handouts is on display. This is a world where your intellect and popularity is measured in how much you hate Tony Abbott and Andrew Bolt.

The witless debate ensues, aka the March-in-March protest this weekend: “How much money should we take; you’re a racist, homophobic, corporate a**  _______.”  Last week a thrash band mock-beheaded Tony Abbott with jets of squirting blood for entertainment. It’s base, it’s barbarian, it’s childish and extreme. Enough.

Last week the ABC wallowed in rants, namcalling and false claims about Andrew Bolt. He who argues we should not judge people by their race, gets called a racist. Tonight the ABC finally agree to “clarify” the claims. (Why not just apologize?) Today, surprise, the ABC finds space for 43 protest photos, but omits the ones that show the depraved nature of some of the protestors.  It’s not reporting, it’s propaganda. Privatize it.


just check out the images...

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/03/tribal-warfare-the-hatefest-runs-bully-barbarians-at-their-intellectual-best/

Seems to validate everything I've been saying.  ::)

Of course as you would have noticed Monkey Boy Geooooorge thinks its all the work of young Liberals  :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D


JoNova, spokesperson for fossil fuel interests, astroturfer for the Convoy of Incontinence. Sure, she isn’t biased  ::)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:06pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:13pm:
No need to comment on yourself Kat...  happy for you to apologise NOW BTW.  :) :) :)


Why?

I have nothing to apologise for.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:16pm
"Ditch the Witch' caused massive leftie outrage.  and yet they come out with "F*ck Tony, F*ck Democracy"  Banners promoting KILLING Abbott and where is the outrage? none of course.  Lefties are nothing if not utterly hypocritical.

If there had been banners say 'F*ck" Gillard' would there have been  anything less that legal threats, violence and arrest over it?  Apart from the rathe vomitous imagery, is that unaacceptable to lefties when attacking their own but ok when attacking Abbott?

Has anyone noticed the complete failre of our resident lefty clowns to disassociate with such behaviour?

of course not.  Integrity and principles are not attributes one associates with lefties.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:26pm

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:18pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:26am:

Bam wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 10:46pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 18th, 2014 at 9:18pm:
Ad hominem? Bandwagon? You support these protests last weekend and dare accuse anyone of these?

Yes, I dare - you used an ad hominem attack, quite wilfully, as did several other Coalition supporters. You have no right whatsoever to be accusing others, when you did it first.


Quote:
"You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument"

Funny, are you the same person who said this...

[quote]You're just a few more in a conga line of Coalition supporters

Quotation out of context. FAIL.

[quote]Yes, you are. Playing the player while calling on people to play the ball. No shock there. Fits your attitude that everyone needs to support their claims while you can go around speaking shlt and no one should challenge you on it.

Gee, you're really beating up a quotation deliberately taken out of context. Maybe if you are getting so hoity-toity at what you falsely claim is an ad hominem attack, why are you making them yourself? If you find them so offensive, does that mean you will forever more refrain from this method of argument?

Why don't you go back and have a look at the filthy arguments that some of the right-wing commentariat posted, and preach at them too?

And tell me - what's so bad about a "conga line" anyway that you had to pretend this was an ad hominem attack? How is this an attack on personal traits or character?

[quote]How about this one,

"You appealed to popularity or the fact that many people do something as an attempted form of validation"

You mean like claiming 100,000 people turned out in protest. Numbers mean something now ay?

You missed the point, really you did. Somehow you've transmogrified a refutation of the Murdoch press's "hundreds" (which is too small by two orders of magnitude) into a bandwagon fallacy. Not really. Exposing the possibility of deception by the mainstream press does not make it a bandwagon fallacy.

While the examples posted are not germane to the points I made, your arguments were wholly built on ad hominem and bandwagon fallacies, and fall to pieces if these are struck out. And, as I have already pointed out, you played the ad hominem card first, as did several others.
[/quote]

Another idiot who thinks he is more educated than he really is. What are you? Another no nothing first years arts student putting your new writing skills to work?[/quote]
More ad hominem. How disappointing. Why do you go around making ad hominem attacks and other fallacious rubbish, and then pretend to be aggrieved when it's called out for the nonsense it is?


Quote:
The whole "that's a logical fallacy" is the weakest form of argument on a forum. Is a way of saying "I have no reply, but if I can deconstruct your comment by trying to find something I can call a fallacy then I can pretend to have already won the argument".

Rubbish. You don't even know what you're talking about. Fallacious arguments are demonstrably flawed. Demonstrating the flaw is a valid way of refuting an argument.

If you can't understand what a fallacy is, why do you bother?


Quote:
This seems to be your only form of reply on this forum.

You don't read much.


Quote:
I don't think I have ever seen you actually engage in a conversation, but only ever try to avoid dealing with the issue by this "that's a fallacy" or "your resorting to insults" type responses.

Showing why an argument is a load of crap is a valid method of refuting an argument.

Attacking posters on a personal level is not.


Quote:
Funnily enough, you're one of the worse offenders of the very thing you complain about others doing.

That is a lie. There are numerous posters on the forums that engage in personal attacks as a standard tactic. I do not, though I will defend myself.


Quote:
Like all people on this forum who think they are too smart to just deal with the issue, you're only impressing yourself.

More ad hominem from you. You cannot refute the assertion that you have made a few fallacious arguments, so like many you go straight for the personal attack. How predictable.

I note that you've not been able to refute a single argument.
[/quote]

You don't make any arguments. All you do is avoid the discussion with all of your fallacy crap.

I have read enough of your posts to know you're a waste of time. I'm not the first person you have tried this shlt on. You seem to think you're good at it, whilst you are actually very transparent.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:57pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2014 at 12:56pm:
Tribal warfare, the hatefest runs. Bully barbarians at their intellectual “best”


Quote:
Here in Australia the intellectual depth and moral caliber of the fans of big-government handouts is on display. This is a world where your intellect and popularity is measured in how much you hate Tony Abbott and Andrew Bolt.

The witless debate ensues, aka the March-in-March protest this weekend: “How much money should we take; you’re a racist, homophobic, corporate a**  _______.”  Last week a thrash band mock-beheaded Tony Abbott with jets of squirting blood for entertainment. It’s base, it’s barbarian, it’s childish and extreme. Enough.

Last week the ABC wallowed in rants, namcalling and false claims about Andrew Bolt. He who argues we should not judge people by their race, gets called a racist. Tonight the ABC finally agree to “clarify” the claims. (Why not just apologize?) Today, surprise, the ABC finds space for 43 protest photos, but omits the ones that show the depraved nature of some of the protestors.  It’s not reporting, it’s propaganda. Privatize it.


just check out the images...

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/03/tribal-warfare-the-hatefest-runs-bully-barbarians-at-their-intellectual-best/

Seems to validate everything I've been saying.  ::)

Of course as you would have noticed Monkey Boy Geooooorge thinks its all the work of young Liberals  :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D


JoNova, spokesperson for fossil fuel interests, astroturfer for the Convoy of Incontinence. Sure, she isn’t biased  ::)

Monkey Boy ALP propagandist and "hater" playing the man and lying yet again...  How unusual  :D ;D :D ;D :D
I'm sure your simian brain is correct she just whipped those images up using PAINT or some other software :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:58pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
"Ditch the Witch' caused massive leftie outrage.  and yet they come out with "F*ck Tony, F*ck Democracy"  Banners promoting KILLING Abbott and where is the outrage? none of course.  Lefties are nothing if not utterly hypocritical.

If there had been banners say 'F*ck" Gillard' would there have been  anything less that legal threats, violence and arrest over it?  Apart from the rathe vomitous imagery, is that unaacceptable to lefties when attacking their own but ok when attacking Abbott?

Has anyone noticed the complete failre of our resident lefty clowns to disassociate with such behaviour?

of course not.  Integrity and principles are not attributes one associates with lefties.



I would count being thorough as well as part of having integrity, like for example, thoroughly review the wide range of slogans. Not sure if the Convoy or the March had more variety, and quite frankly I don't really care.

Don't you think it is good that people have the safety to express their displeasure?

As to the tawdry attempts at moral equivalence. Find an example anywhere that is as base and disgusting as the deliberate, cowardly and bullying Allan Jones attack on the then grieving Julia Gillard about her father dying of shame.

There is your baseline benchmark if you really need one, if you really want to persist in this primary school yard squabbling you possibly consider highly intellectual rhetoric.

The Ditch the Witch or Bob Brown's Bitch or bugger Abbott etc are mere child's play by comparison. That would be my position, having experienced the loss of both parents, no matter who was the target of the disgrace to humanity that would stoop that low.

That said, I still don't support culling...

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:03pm

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:58pm:
Great post, and on topic. For reasons of space I'll only comment on a couple of points.

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
It seems that those opposed to the March in March (for whatever reason), did not see a clear point to it. Fare enough I say, there was no single clear point, that is the point though, there are many and varied "points" of concern for many and varied people. The fact that some do not see the complexity of this is actually their problem, not mine or those who protested.

Indeed - people had a few issues to complain about, so it is not surprising that the protests may appear to have lacked focus. Actually though the protests did have focus - all were protesting against the Abbott government.

Which is exactly the point and the prog Left in their inimitable fashion hate and always play the man.  To most of them it is about Abbott and hatred and having lost government and being so small minded and clueless they've forgotten how a democracy works.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:22pm

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:58pm:
Great post, and on topic. For reasons of space I'll only comment on a couple of points.

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
It seems that those opposed to the March in March (for whatever reason), did not see a clear point to it. Fare enough I say, there was no single clear point, that is the point though, there are many and varied "points" of concern for many and varied people. The fact that some do not see the complexity of this is actually their problem, not mine or those who protested.

Indeed - people had a few issues to complain about, so it is not surprising that the protests may appear to have lacked focus. Actually though the protests did have focus - all were protesting against the Abbott government.

It's a bit different to protest marches that I've participated in - three in total, and all against policy decisions of Labor governments. In those protests, there was a single issue.


Quote:
It has been more than clearly articulated that the original organisers of the March asked for people to be thoughtful with signs/banners etc and to try to make the day a family day. Nice request. Clearly though, some people's grasp of their personal right to freedom of expression (you know, one of those pesky basic tenants of a genuine democracy) overrode their sense of decency and propriety. I may not like it, but so be it, it is the price we pay apparently for freedom of expression.

Would anyone here seriously want to loose that freedom, that right?

I like living in a country where people can freely and peacefully express in public dissatisfaction with the government, without the government calling out riot squads to fire water cannons, tear gas, rubber bullets, real bullets or tank rounds. We take too much for granted.

[quote]I hope that the March in March was/is both a warning bell and a beacon - it is appropriate that we move (as a country) toward genuine political change, not a change of Government, a complete change of how we do "Government" from the grassroots up.

Politics in this country are too many personal attacks and too few debates on policy.

Our current Prime Minister is particularly prone to this. He has never really attempted to engage Australians in an honest discussion on policies to find consensus but rather has attempted to impose his view on the country without discussion and without compromise. This dictatorial approach is not one that makes for a long stay for him in the Lodge or for his government on the Treasury benches.

However, other parties are not immune to this failing of getting too personal.

Our political leaders should read the entrails. The public are fed up with the current political approach from the major parties, and a fundamental change of approach is needed from both sides of politics.

[/quote]

Thanks for your reply, but, I would clarify with you that my point was, I don't agree that the March was predominantly about The Liberal Government per se.

That was my point.

It is the Political system that is on the nose in this country, it is the Political machine that is disconnected from mainstream fair dinkum Australians. That political machine comprises both parties (and the smaller parties and independents), and is the problem.

Many make a bid deal about this idea that after six years under a Labor Government the entire country is on the brink of ruin - so, time for a new Government. I am not going to argue against that, hell, it may be right. However, after six months some of the population are of the opinion that we have moved substantially closer to ruin, phew, clearly we were not quite at the brink then thankfully...

Both sides have some validity and I am firmly of the opinion that, for the main part, Australian's are spirited, good hearted and, to a large extent quite conservative in many ways. However, that character trait has been taken advantage of to our disservice and overall we are somewhat politically naïve. As such, movements like the Convoy and the March may well be doomed to failure in the long term until we learn to stand up for ourselves. The system is broken and it needs fixing. Whether we have the will and capacity as a people remains to be seen.

I am concerned at the rampant attacks on freedom of speech and expression that the very media that has howled long and loud when it has felt as though it's own toes are stopped on is perpetrating. I am deeply troubled too that there is no effective body for addressing said concerns too, as challenging as that idea might be.

So, for my part and, from what I witnessed on the day, certainly there were some who were there to "get rid of Abbott" but it is absolute foolishness to think that was the single main underpinning feature of protests. I leave that kind of stupidity to the knuckle draggers who believe three word slogans and politicians (any of them...).


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
"Ditch the Witch' caused massive leftie outrage.  and yet they come out with "F*ck Tony, F*ck Democracy"  Banners promoting KILLING Abbott and where is the outrage? none of course.  Lefties are nothing if not utterly hypocritical.

If there had been banners say 'F*ck" Gillard' would there have been  anything less that legal threats, violence and arrest over it?  Apart from the rathe vomitous imagery, is that unaacceptable to lefties when attacking their own but ok when attacking Abbott?

Has anyone noticed the complete failre of our resident lefty clowns to disassociate with such behaviour?

of course not.  Integrity and principles are not attributes one associates with lefties.


No one, I repeat no one, does hypocrisy like a "progressive". The section of their brain that deals with self-reflection and analysis for consistency is missing.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:19pm
Hardly any banners like that, but keep going on and on about it, makes me feel all happy the rightarded are all worried about the march and how the cretin never polled well since the election.

Your boy is not doing well, is he?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by wiradjuri on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:22pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:19pm:
Hardly any banners like that, but keep going on and on about it, makes me feel all happy the rightarded are all worried about the march and how the cretin never polled well since the election.

Your boy is not doing well, is he?

More porkies from the resident liar, even deceives himself.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:28pm

wiradjuri wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:19pm:
Hardly any banners like that, but keep going on and on about it, makes me feel all happy the rightarded are all worried about the march and how the cretin never polled well since the election.

Your boy is not doing well, is he?

More porkies from the resident liar, even deceives himself.

Unlike you I was at one of the marches, so I speak truth about that. For the rest, the polls bear me out.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:30pm

Kat wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:04pm:
Quite simply, because there WAS NO pork-chop-like behaviour


Ha you're kidding, it was carrying on like a pork chop only on an epic scale ;D

The Mother of all whinges..... ;D


Chucking a cosmic spack attack ;D

Just like the temper tantrum of 100,000 spoilt brats at the supermarket with mummy ignoring them.....the more mummy ignores........... the loader they get



Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:32pm
Reeeeeeaaaaaaaaalllllllyyyyyyyy worried, eh swaggie?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:41pm
Screaming spoiled kids don't worry me George.  They're just a pain in the neck.

They grow up and become union officials and Labor politicians evidently.... ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:46pm
30 pages says the rightarded are so worried it is leaking out all the way to their boots.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:53pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:46pm:
30 pages says the rightarded are so worried it is leaking out all the way to their boots.


I be more worried if you pinkos stopped whinging.....now that would be scary.

Whinging is predictable.  And lefties are nothing but predictable given their collectivist ways... ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:58pm
Mate, every post you and your rightarded mates make here makes me feel great—the rightarded are worried, worried sick! And so you should be! 6+ months since the election and NO, ZERO positive legislation has been presented by the shambles. Half a flipping year—no sign of a positive agenda.

And the polls, ooohhhh no comfort to a poor Lib apologist, is there?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
"Ditch the Witch' caused massive leftie outrage.  and yet they come out with "F*ck Tony, F*ck Democracy"  Banners promoting KILLING Abbott and where is the outrage? none of course.  Lefties are nothing if not utterly hypocritical.

If there had been banners say 'F*ck" Gillard' would there have been  anything less that legal threats, violence and arrest over it?  Apart from the rathe vomitous imagery, is that unaacceptable to lefties when attacking their own but ok when attacking Abbott?

Has anyone noticed the complete failre of our resident lefty clowns to disassociate with such behaviour?

of course not.  Integrity and principles are not attributes one associates with lefties.


No one, I repeat no one, does hypocrisy like a "progressive". The section of their brain that deals with self-reflection and analysis for consistency is missing.


"The old man recently died a few weeks ago of shame. To think that he had a daughter who told lies every time she stood for parliament".
23 September 2012, Sydney University Liberal Club hosted its annual president's dinner with a keynote address by Sydney radio presenter Alan Jones.

Let's talk hypocrisy then.

That is without doubt the lowest most rank comment any person from any walk of life or political position could make.

Make no mistake, I am not defending the inappropriate (to my mind) comments made on SOME placards, t-shirts etc. but it is galling to see the blatantly dishonest, wormy and cowardly misrepresentation of the majority of marchers, yes majority carry on in an absence of objectivity, reason or facts. Whilst I do not agree with bugger Abbott I do recognise that is perhaps the best some might come up with, it is no more or less repulsive than Ditch the Witch, Bob Brown's bitch or any other of your teams tawdry quotes. Suggestions to cause harm or death to Tony Abbott likewise are unpalatable to me personally, however, clearly on a par with putting Julia Gillard in a chaff bag and throwing her in the Tasman. Ironically, it is the same commercial media (broadly speaking) that gave both opinions a platform for dissemination. And you still do not even grasp the threat to our democracy that misguided media represents, you stupidly maintain the ABC is the only problem...

As to Mr Jones, well, he went well and truly beyond the mark of indecency. So, team right, to be fair and honest have set a pretty low bench mark there. To my mind that is not even arguable, however, I am well aware some will just have to try. Truth does indeed hurt though.

Now, tell us all again about the capacity for self reflection and let's be really daring, share with us the benefits in hindsight of genuine and deep self reflection.... If you dare or are capable.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:20pm
The unrepresentative swill will have a guard change soon.  The last putrid aftertaste of the last 2 failed govts will be gone and Aust will back in business.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:26pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
The unrepresentative swill will have a guard change soon.  The last putrid aftertaste of the last 2 failed govts will be gone and Aust will back in business.


But the simian doesn’t look like the ape to bring that about, does it?

Over 6 months, not a hint of a positive agenda!

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:28pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
The unrepresentative swill will have a guard change soon.  The last putrid aftertaste of the last 2 failed govts will be gone and Aust will back in business.


But the simian doesn’t look like the ape to bring that about, does it?

Over 6 months, not a hint of a positive agenda!

Plenty of positives to take from the six months.

No boats
No govern by media
No policy on the run

That is music to my senses. Thank F labor and their dumb azz bedfellow the greens are irrelevant.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:41pm
No policy—by George I think you got it!

6+ months—not a sign of a policy!

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:43pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:41pm:
No policy—by George I think you got it!

6+ months—not a sign of a policy!

Are you trying to say that no policy has been put through parliament. Come on, tell us that. Is that what you are saying?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:44pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:43pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:41pm:
No policy—by George I think you got it!

6+ months—not a sign of a policy!

Are you trying to say that no policy has been put through parliament. Come on, tell us that. Is that what you are saying?

So—what positive policy has the simian put forward?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:44pm
No boats reported in by the media
No Govern
No Policy
On the run...

Fixed

:D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:50pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:43pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:41pm:
No policy—by George I think you got it!

6+ months—not a sign of a policy!

Are you trying to say that no policy has been put through parliament. Come on, tell us that. Is that what you are saying?

So—what positive policy has the simian put forward?

Oh so now its "positive" lol. Well you and your ilk of commies would never be satisfied unless it was a policy on the run, through media, promised 300 times and not delivered, a lie in order to gain power yadda yadda yadda, all done by labor or the greens, but never liberals.

Yep, you want positive, your kind of positive. You can wait till your commie Australian wrecking party gets back in power.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:54pm
So. . .NO, ZERO positive policy? Thanks for playing but you are too easy.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:06pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:03pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:58pm:
Great post, and on topic. For reasons of space I'll only comment on a couple of points.

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
It seems that those opposed to the March in March (for whatever reason), did not see a clear point to it. Fare enough I say, there was no single clear point, that is the point though, there are many and varied "points" of concern for many and varied people. The fact that some do not see the complexity of this is actually their problem, not mine or those who protested.

Indeed - people had a few issues to complain about, so it is not surprising that the protests may appear to have lacked focus. Actually though the protests did have focus - all were protesting against the Abbott government.

Which is exactly the point and the prog Left in their inimitable fashion hate and always play the man.  To most of them it is about Abbott and hatred and having lost government and being so small minded and clueless they've forgotten how a democracy works.

And the conservatives never got personal when Gillard was PM?  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Ditch the witch.
Chaff bags dumped at sea.
Saying her father died of shame.

Do you want more examples of the foul personal attacks that conservatives came out with when Gillard was PM?

The conservatives have no moral high ground here. Obviously, they can dish it out but cannot take it.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:12pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:26pm:
You don't make any arguments. All you do is avoid the discussion with all of your fallacy crap.

I have read enough of your posts to know you're a waste of time. I'm not the first person you have tried this shlt on. You seem to think you're good at it, whilst you are actually very transparent.

All you seem to do is handwaving, puerile personal attacks and even telling baseless lies because you lack the ability to refute arguments.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Bam on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:21pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
The unrepresentative swill will have a guard change soon.  The last putrid aftertaste of the last 2 failed govts will be gone and Aust will back in business.


But the simian doesn’t look like the ape to bring that about, does it?

Over 6 months, not a hint of a positive agenda!

Plenty of positives to take from the six months.

No boats
No govern by media
No policy on the run

That is music to my senses. Thank F labor and their dumb azz bedfellow the greens are irrelevant.

Your alleged positives are all sentences that start with negations.
;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:41pm

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:12pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:26pm:
You don't make any arguments. All you do is avoid the discussion with all of your fallacy crap.

I have read enough of your posts to know you're a waste of time. I'm not the first person you have tried this shlt on. You seem to think you're good at it, whilst you are actually very transparent.

All you seem to do is handwaving, puerile personal attacks and even telling baseless lies because you lack the ability to refute arguments.


You really need to look in the mirror from time to time. You seem to have a habit of doing the very thing you complain about. Your self justification in your own actions, plus your attitude of looking down at the conversation from above as you analyse the people engaged in it, does not in anyway support your supposed interest in actually discussing anything. You have obviously come to the conclusion long ago that any one who doesn't agree with your opinion, or worse still has the nerve to question it, must obviously be too dumb to understand and argue logically for anything. Anyone coming at anything from a different angle is committing a fallacy in your eyes, usually because you measure everything by your own unsupported conclusions. Like another member of this forum who drags conversations on with a continuous 'I'm right your wrong, please try harder, this is too easy' type attitude, you are only impressing yourself.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Quantum on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:50pm

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:21pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
The unrepresentative swill will have a guard change soon.  The last putrid aftertaste of the last 2 failed govts will be gone and Aust will back in business.


But the simian doesn’t look like the ape to bring that about, does it?

Over 6 months, not a hint of a positive agenda!

Plenty of positives to take from the six months.

No boats
No govern by media
No policy on the run

That is music to my senses. Thank F labor and their dumb azz bedfellow the greens are irrelevant.

Your alleged positives are all sentences that start with negations.
;D ;D ;D


Another example of Bam's superior logic. I guess if it was said about a government that after their time in office there was now;

No poverty
No war
No corruption
No racism
No sexism
No pollution
No any other issue, ty, tion, or ism, that people consider bad,

Then they just weren't good enough. All their positives have the word "no" in front of them. Really, what you want in a government is for there to be;


poverty
war
corruption
racism
sexism
pollution
any other issue, ty, tion, or ism, that people consider bad,

Because "no" is such a negative word...

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:57pm

Quantum wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:50pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:21pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
The unrepresentative swill will have a guard change soon.  The last putrid aftertaste of the last 2 failed govts will be gone and Aust will back in business.


But the simian doesn’t look like the ape to bring that about, does it?

Over 6 months, not a hint of a positive agenda!

Plenty of positives to take from the six months.

No boats
No govern by media
No policy on the run

That is music to my senses. Thank F labor and their dumb azz bedfellow the greens are irrelevant.

Your alleged positives are all sentences that start with negations.
;D ;D ;D


Another example of Bam's superior logic. I guess if it was said about a government that after their time in office there was now;

No poverty
No war
No corruption
No racism
No sexism
No pollution
No any other issue, ty, tion, or ism, that people consider bad,

Then they just weren't good enough. All their positives have the word "no" in front of them. Really, what you want in a government is for there to be;


poverty
war
corruption
racism
sexism
pollution
any other issue, ty, tion, or ism, that people consider bad,

Because "no" is such a negative word...


That's one way to frame it.

Of course, I think a better looking Government legacy might be;

Enrichment
Equality
Social Equity
Social Justice
Justice
Respect
A healthy sustainable environment with minimal toxic impact.

But then I am not grinding an axe...

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 12:00am

Quantum wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:41pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:12pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:26pm:
You don't make any arguments. All you do is avoid the discussion with all of your fallacy crap.

I have read enough of your posts to know you're a waste of time. I'm not the first person you have tried this shlt on. You seem to think you're good at it, whilst you are actually very transparent.

All you seem to do is handwaving, puerile personal attacks and even telling baseless lies because you lack the ability to refute arguments.


You really need to look in the mirror from time to time. You seem to have a habit of doing the very thing you complain about. Your self justification in your own actions, plus your attitude of looking down at the conversation from above as you analyse the people engaged in it, does not in anyway support your supposed interest in actually discussing anything. You have obviously come to the conclusion long ago that any one who doesn't agree with your opinion, or worse still has the nerve to question it, must obviously be too dumb to understand and argue logically for anything. Anyone coming at anything from a different angle is committing a fallacy in your eyes, usually because you measure everything by your own unsupported conclusions. Like another member of this forum who drags conversations on with a continuous 'I'm right your wrong, please try harder, this is too easy' type attitude, you are only impressing yourself.


I think you do both yourself and your adversary an injustice here.

That comment could quite effectively be levelled quite accurately at the majority posting here consistently. In point of fact, I would respectfully suggest, it could easily, at one point or another, be levelled at all of us.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 21st, 2014 at 6:54am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:41pm:
No policy—by George I think you got it!

6+ months—not a sign of a policy!

Another lie...  another idiotic statement by george... just yesterday another piece of mandated legislation stopped bt the greens and labor in the senate...  roll on july. ;)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 21st, 2014 at 6:57am

Kat wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:13pm:
No need to comment on yourself Kat...  happy for you to apologise NOW BTW.  :) :) :)


Why?

I have nothing to apologise for.

Really?  how soon you forget...  you pansi and skippy said what recently?
man up kat...  apologise and admit you were wrong.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:20am

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:57pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:50pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:21pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
The unrepresentative swill will have a guard change soon.  The last putrid aftertaste of the last 2 failed govts will be gone and Aust will back in business.


But the simian doesn’t look like the ape to bring that about, does it?

Over 6 months, not a hint of a positive agenda!

Plenty of positives to take from the six months.

No boats
No govern by media
No policy on the run

That is music to my senses. Thank F labor and their dumb azz bedfellow the greens are irrelevant.

Your alleged positives are all sentences that start with negations.
;D ;D ;D


Another example of Bam's superior logic. I guess if it was said about a government that after their time in office there was now;

No poverty
No war
No corruption
No racism
No sexism
No pollution
No any other issue, ty, tion, or ism, that people consider bad,

Then they just weren't good enough. All their positives have the word "no" in front of them. Really, what you want in a government is for there to be;


poverty
war
corruption
racism
sexism
pollution
any other issue, ty, tion, or ism, that people consider bad,

Because "no" is such a negative word...


That's one way to frame it.

Of course, I think a better looking Government legacy might be;

Enrichment
Equality
Social Equity
Social Justice
Justice
Respect
A healthy sustainable environment with minimal toxic impact.

But then I am not grinding an axe...

I am pretty sure you loved Gillard. She was also the one for platitudes.

Myself, I like the previous list

No poverty
No war
No corruption
No racism
No sexism
No pollution
No any other issue, ty, tion, or ism, that people consider bad,


as it has verifiable outcomes. Using the word 'No' in front of an actionable outcome, is verifiable. That is why you and Gillard love the platitudes of 'social justice', 'Respect', blah di blah blah..... because it is not an outcome that you can quantify, therefore BS your way through life, as in labor's case, through politics.




Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:28am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:20am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:57pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:50pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:21pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
The unrepresentative swill will have a guard change soon.  The last putrid aftertaste of the last 2 failed govts will be gone and Aust will back in business.


But the simian doesn’t look like the ape to bring that about, does it?

Over 6 months, not a hint of a positive agenda!

Plenty of positives to take from the six months.

No boats
No govern by media
No policy on the run

That is music to my senses. Thank F labor and their dumb azz bedfellow the greens are irrelevant.

Your alleged positives are all sentences that start with negations.
;D ;D ;D


Another example of Bam's superior logic. I guess if it was said about a government that after their time in office there was now;

No poverty
No war
No corruption
No racism
No sexism
No pollution
No any other issue, ty, tion, or ism, that people consider bad,

Then they just weren't good enough. All their positives have the word "no" in front of them. Really, what you want in a government is for there to be;


poverty
war
corruption
racism
sexism
pollution
any other issue, ty, tion, or ism, that people consider bad,

Because "no" is such a negative word...


That's one way to frame it.

Of course, I think a better looking Government legacy might be;

Enrichment
Equality
Social Equity
Social Justice
Justice
Respect
A healthy sustainable environment with minimal toxic impact.

But then I am not grinding an axe...

I am pretty sure you loved Gillard. She was also the one for platitudes.

Myself, I like the previous list

No poverty
No war
No corruption
No racism
No sexism
No pollution
No any other issue, ty, tion, or ism, that people consider bad,


as it has verifiable outcomes. Using the word 'No' in front of an actionable outcome, is verifiable. That is why you and Gillard love the platitudes of 'social justice', 'Respect', blah di blah blah..... because it is not an outcome that you can quantify, therefore BS your way through life, as in labor's case, through politics.


I am pretty sure you are an ill informed dickhead too, but here is the rub, what you and I think about each other is entirely irrelevant.

Verifiable? Hmm, one can measure positive outcomes quite easily. Whether they have a NO in front of them or not, what a strange statement you make.

I am not opposed to your little list just because of the word NO in it. Quite the opposite in fact, I much prefer a legacy of No War as opposed to one of War...For example. The problem with your little list though is that it has been demonstrably NOT achieved by any team. Nice things to aim for mind you.

That said, I am curious are you saying you do not support these ideas from my little list?
Enrichment
Equality
Social Equity
Social Justice
Justice
Respect
A healthy sustainable environment with minimal toxic impact.

Are you seriously suggesting that these potential legacies (also not achieved by any of our esteemed politicians) are not measurable. Given I can confidently say they have not been achieved, does that not indicate a capacity to measure the outcomes?

Thanks for coming yet again...

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:30am
No poverty? See the Poverty in Aus thread.

No corruption? See the Sinodinos thread.

Nothing has been done, not even the boats stopped as the moral vacuum will soon find out. I think PNG will tell the govt soon to close the Manus Isl camp then what?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:34am
Here's some food for thought for the neo-cons...
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Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
"Ditch the Witch' caused massive leftie outrage.  and yet they come out with "F*ck Tony, F*ck Democracy"  Banners promoting KILLING Abbott and where is the outrage? none of course.  Lefties are nothing if not utterly hypocritical.

If there had been banners say 'F*ck" Gillard' would there have been  anything less that legal threats, violence and arrest over it?  Apart from the rathe vomitous imagery, is that unaacceptable to lefties when attacking their own but ok when attacking Abbott?

Has anyone noticed the complete failre of our resident lefty clowns to disassociate with such behaviour?

of course not.  Integrity and principles are not attributes one associates with lefties.



I would count being thorough as well as part of having integrity, like for example, thoroughly review the wide range of slogans. Not sure if the Convoy or the March had more variety, and quite frankly I don't really care.

Don't you think it is good that people have the safety to express their displeasure?

As to the tawdry attempts at moral equivalence. Find an example anywhere that is as base and disgusting as the deliberate, cowardly and bullying Allan Jones attack on the then grieving Julia Gillard about her father dying of shame.

There is your baseline benchmark if you really need one, if you really want to persist in this primary school yard squabbling you possibly consider highly intellectual rhetoric.

The Ditch the Witch or Bob Brown's Bitch or bugger Abbott etc are mere child's play by comparison. That would be my position, having experienced the loss of both parents, no matter who was the target of the disgrace to humanity that would stoop that low.

That said, I still don't support culling...


since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman? 

the left when APE over te Gillard posters which are lame compared to the abbot ones.  What is more disgusting over the posters is the blatant hypocrisy of the left. Not even a mild criticism of thos posters.

And notably when the posters say f*ck DEMOCRACY... not a word.  Surely that should concern even the left, correct?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:45am

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:58pm:
Great post, and on topic. For reasons of space I'll only comment on a couple of points.

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
It seems that those opposed to the March in March (for whatever reason), did not see a clear point to it. Fare enough I say, there was no single clear point, that is the point though, there are many and varied "points" of concern for many and varied people. The fact that some do not see the complexity of this is actually their problem, not mine or those who protested.

Indeed - people had a few issues to complain about, so it is not surprising that the protests may appear to have lacked focus. Actually though the protests did have focus - all were protesting against the Abbott government.

It's a bit different to protest marches that I've participated in - three in total, and all against policy decisions of Labor governments. In those protests, there was a single issue.


Quote:
It has been more than clearly articulated that the original organisers of the March asked for people to be thoughtful with signs/banners etc and to try to make the day a family day. Nice request. Clearly though, some people's grasp of their personal right to freedom of expression (you know, one of those pesky basic tenants of a genuine democracy) overrode their sense of decency and propriety. I may not like it, but so be it, it is the price we pay apparently for freedom of expression.

Would anyone here seriously want to loose that freedom, that right?

I like living in a country where people can freely and peacefully express in public dissatisfaction with the government, without the government calling out riot squads to fire water cannons, tear gas, rubber bullets, real bullets or tank rounds. We take too much for granted.

[quote]I hope that the March in March was/is both a warning bell and a beacon - it is appropriate that we move (as a country) toward genuine political change, not a change of Government, a complete change of how we do "Government" from the grassroots up.

Politics in this country are too many personal attacks and too few debates on policy.

Our current Prime Minister is particularly prone to this. He has never really attempted to engage Australians in an honest discussion on policies to find consensus but rather has attempted to impose his view on the country without discussion and without compromise. This dictatorial approach is not one that makes for a long stay for him in the Lodge or for his government on the Treasury benches.

However, other parties are not immune to this failing of getting too personal.

Our political leaders should read the entrails. The public are fed up with the current political approach from the major parties, and a fundamental change of approach is needed from both sides of politics.


Thanks for your reply, but, I would clarify with you that my point was, I don't agree that the March was predominantly about The Liberal Government per se.

That was my point.

It is the Political system that is on the nose in this country, it is the Political machine that is disconnected from mainstream fair dinkum Australians. That political machine comprises both parties (and the smaller parties and independents), and is the problem.

Many make a bid deal about this idea that after six years under a Labor Government the entire country is on the brink of ruin - so, time for a new Government. I am not going to argue against that, hell, it may be right. However, after six months some of the population are of the opinion that we have moved substantially closer to ruin, phew, clearly we were not quite at the brink then thankfully...

Both sides have some validity and I am firmly of the opinion that, for the main part, Australian's are spirited, good hearted and, to a large extent quite conservative in many ways. However, that character trait has been taken advantage of to our disservice and overall we are somewhat politically naïve. As such, movements like the Convoy and the March may well be doomed to failure in the long term until we learn to stand up for ourselves. The system is broken and it needs fixing. Whether we have the will and capacity as a people remains to be seen.

I am concerned at the rampant attacks on freedom of speech and expression that the very media that has howled long and loud when it has felt as though it's own toes are stopped on is perpetrating. I am deeply troubled too that there is no effective body for addressing said concerns too, as challenging as that idea might be.

So, for my part and, from what I witnessed on the day, certainly there were some who were there to "get rid of Abbott" but it is absolute foolishness to think that was the single main underpinning feature of protests. I leave that kind of stupidity to the knuckle draggers who believe three word slogans and politicians (any of them...).

[/quote]

that might make sense if the protests were apolitical or against both parties.  But they weren't.  They were simply mindlessly anti-abbott and thus can be ignored.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:47am
Not mindlessly anti–Abbott—all the signs raised issues to do with the simian’s actions.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:47am

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
"Ditch the Witch' caused massive leftie outrage.  and yet they come out with "F*ck Tony, F*ck Democracy"  Banners promoting KILLING Abbott and where is the outrage? none of course.  Lefties are nothing if not utterly hypocritical.

If there had been banners say 'F*ck" Gillard' would there have been  anything less that legal threats, violence and arrest over it?  Apart from the rathe vomitous imagery, is that unaacceptable to lefties when attacking their own but ok when attacking Abbott?

Has anyone noticed the complete failre of our resident lefty clowns to disassociate with such behaviour?

of course not.  Integrity and principles are not attributes one associates with lefties.


No one, I repeat no one, does hypocrisy like a "progressive". The section of their brain that deals with self-reflection and analysis for consistency is missing.


"The old man recently died a few weeks ago of shame. To think that he had a daughter who told lies every time she stood for parliament".
23 September 2012, Sydney University Liberal Club hosted its annual president's dinner with a keynote address by Sydney radio presenter Alan Jones.

Let's talk hypocrisy then.

That is without doubt the lowest most rank comment any person from any walk of life or political position could make.

Make no mistake, I am not defending the inappropriate (to my mind) comments made on SOME placards, t-shirts etc. but it is galling to see the blatantly dishonest, wormy and cowardly misrepresentation of the majority of marchers, yes majority carry on in an absence of objectivity, reason or facts. Whilst I do not agree with bugger Abbott I do recognise that is perhaps the best some might come up with, it is no more or less repulsive than Ditch the Witch, Bob Brown's bitch or any other of your teams tawdry quotes. Suggestions to cause harm or death to Tony Abbott likewise are unpalatable to me personally, however, clearly on a par with putting Julia Gillard in a chaff bag and throwing her in the Tasman. Ironically, it is the same commercial media (broadly speaking) that gave both opinions a platform for dissemination. And you still do not even grasp the threat to our democracy that misguided media represents, you stupidly maintain the ABC is the only problem...

As to Mr Jones, well, he went well and truly beyond the mark of indecency. So, team right, to be fair and honest have set a pretty low bench mark there. To my mind that is not even arguable, however, I am well aware some will just have to try. Truth does indeed hurt though.

Now, tell us all again about the capacity for self reflection and let's be really daring, share with us the benefits in hindsight of genuine and deep self reflection.... If you dare or are capable.


sigh.... once again.  Who is Alan Jones and what does he have to do with e parliamentary liberal party?

this week we had a union leader promoting KILLING the Qantas CEO with similar comments made about Abbott.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:50am

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:06pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:03pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:58pm:
Great post, and on topic. For reasons of space I'll only comment on a couple of points.

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
It seems that those opposed to the March in March (for whatever reason), did not see a clear point to it. Fare enough I say, there was no single clear point, that is the point though, there are many and varied "points" of concern for many and varied people. The fact that some do not see the complexity of this is actually their problem, not mine or those who protested.

Indeed - people had a few issues to complain about, so it is not surprising that the protests may appear to have lacked focus. Actually though the protests did have focus - all were protesting against the Abbott government.

Which is exactly the point and the prog Left in their inimitable fashion hate and always play the man.  To most of them it is about Abbott and hatred and having lost government and being so small minded and clueless they've forgotten how a democracy works.

And the conservatives never got personal when Gillard was PM?  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Ditch the witch.
Chaff bags dumped at sea.
Saying her father died of shame.

Do you want more examples of the foul personal attacks that conservatives came out with when Gillard was PM?

The conservatives have no moral high ground here. Obviously, they can dish it out but cannot take it.


there were no banners saying f*ck Gillard or public speeches suggesting she be killed as has occurred to Abbott

The way you behave you would think that PMs had never before been personally attacked.  Gillard received LESS abuse than average but was far too thin-skinned to handle it.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:52am

Quantum wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:41pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:12pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:26pm:
You don't make any arguments. All you do is avoid the discussion with all of your fallacy crap.

I have read enough of your posts to know you're a waste of time. I'm not the first person you have tried this shlt on. You seem to think you're good at it, whilst you are actually very transparent.

All you seem to do is handwaving, puerile personal attacks and even telling baseless lies because you lack the ability to refute arguments.


You really need to look in the mirror from time to time. You seem to have a habit of doing the very thing you complain about. Your self justification in your own actions, plus your attitude of looking down at the conversation from above as you analyse the people engaged in it, does not in anyway support your supposed interest in actually discussing anything. You have obviously come to the conclusion long ago that any one who doesn't agree with your opinion, or worse still has the nerve to question it, must obviously be too dumb to understand and argue logically for anything. Anyone coming at anything from a different angle is committing a fallacy in your eyes, usually because you measure everything by your own unsupported conclusions. Like another member of this forum who drags conversations on with a continuous 'I'm right your wrong, please try harder, this is too easy' type attitude, you are only impressing yourself.



you are spot on and is why his former forum where he was moderator/judge/executioner was destroyed.  He banned everyone who disagreed with him and so at the end only had 5 people still there all happily hating abbott and loving climate change while other people had better discussion and more participants at a weekend BBQ

Like a tru leftie he not only doesn't believe in free speech but actively seeks to deny it.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:53am

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:57pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:50pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:21pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
The unrepresentative swill will have a guard change soon.  The last putrid aftertaste of the last 2 failed govts will be gone and Aust will back in business.


But the simian doesn’t look like the ape to bring that about, does it?

Over 6 months, not a hint of a positive agenda!

Plenty of positives to take from the six months.

No boats
No govern by media
No policy on the run

That is music to my senses. Thank F labor and their dumb azz bedfellow the greens are irrelevant.

Your alleged positives are all sentences that start with negations.
;D ;D ;D


Another example of Bam's superior logic. I guess if it was said about a government that after their time in office there was now;

No poverty
No war
No corruption
No racism
No sexism
No pollution
No any other issue, ty, tion, or ism, that people consider bad,

Then they just weren't good enough. All their positives have the word "no" in front of them. Really, what you want in a government is for there to be;


poverty
war
corruption
racism
sexism
pollution
any other issue, ty, tion, or ism, that people consider bad,

Because "no" is such a negative word...


That's one way to frame it.

Of course, I think a better looking Government legacy might be;

Enrichment
Equality
Social Equity
Social Justice
Justice
Respect
A healthy sustainable environment with minimal toxic impact.

But then I am not grinding an axe...



and not a single solitary one of those is self-funded.  every single one is funded by a vibrant a profitable economy which naturally you don't care about.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:55am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:47am:
Not mindlessly anti–Abbott—all the signs raised issues to do with the simian’s actions.


"F*ck Abbott"  is addressing an issue or action????

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:58am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:45am:
 
that might make sense if the protests were apolitical or against both parties.  But they weren't.  They were simply mindlessly anti-abbott and thus can be ignored.



But, they WERE, and it's been documented just about everywhere BUT the MSM.

And, FYI, both the organisers and the participants are all over the ones with the offensive signs and shirts.

That's all over the 'net, too, but not in the MSM.

Cut the bullsh1t, for once in your life.

If you can...  >:(

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:58am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:55am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:47am:
Not mindlessly anti–Abbott—all the signs raised issues to do with the simian’s actions.


"F*ck Abbott"  is addressing an issue or action????


HM signs were like that? None I saw in Adelaide. But focus on 1/100,000 if you like, but be prepared to lose govt in 2016.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:59am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:55am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:47am:
Not mindlessly anti–Abbott—all the signs raised issues to do with the simian’s actions.


"F*ck Abbott"  is addressing an issue or action????


Action, I reckon.

And, since that's what he's doing to the country, I can see why it was said.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by dsmithy70 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:01am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:
since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman?

the left when APE over te Gillard posters which are lame compared to the abbot ones.  What is more disgusting over the posters is the blatant hypocrisy of the left. Not even a mild criticism of thos posters.

And notably when the posters say f*ck DEMOCRACY... not a word.  Surely that should concern even the left, correct?



You know you all sound the same.

From Ray Hadley crying his wife & kids are off limits although he calls wives pathetic grubs when they stand by their husbands.

From Andrew Bolt crying & saying he needed stress leave for being vilified yet he vilifies people from Tim Flannery to abo's he thinks are the wrong shade daily.

To longweekend here sprouting about principles, mate you guys went there & went in hard, your gathering in Canberra had a very aggressive attitude.

But now of course we should condemn those signs(never mind they have been over & over) ignore those freaks who turned up & just S.T.F.U & love Abbott & everything he does.

I might have sympathized with you P.O.V had YOU condemned Abbotts & Jones little soiree in Canberra but no that was democracy in action & those upstanding citizens shouldn't be tarred because of the actions of a few.
And of course the leader of the Opposition or his 20 minders never saw the banner they were standing in front of.

Your a hypocrite & a bully just like those you support.


longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:
since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman? 



Again with the denial, jones has tried to be preselected for the liberal party several times, it was at a liberal party fund raiser & Jones is about the only person Tony gives interviews(if you can call them that) other than Hadley.

Jones is a dyed in the wool Liberal & the party loves how he sprouts for them on his show in fact feeds him, but when his caught out it
Allan who?

Own it! >:(

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:06am

Kat wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:58am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:45am:
 
that might make sense if the protests were apolitical or against both parties.  But they weren't.  They were simply mindlessly anti-abbott and thus can be ignored.



But, they WERE, and it's been documented just about everywhere BUT the MSM.

And, FYI, both the organisers and the participants are all over the ones with the offensive signs and shirts.

That's all over the 'net, too, but not in the MSM.

Cut the bullsh1t, for once in your life.

If you can...  >:(

please post images where they were against say The Greens or Shorten or Mine or the ALP...

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:14am

Kat wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:55am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:47am:
Not mindlessly anti–Abbott—all the signs raised issues to do with the simian’s actions.


"F*ck Abbott"  is addressing an issue or action????


Action, I reckon.

And, since that's what he's doing to the country, I can see why it was said.



and that is why you have NO CREDIBILITY.  you are a real maggot.  get a job for once.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:15am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
"Ditch the Witch' caused massive leftie outrage.  and yet they come out with "F*ck Tony, F*ck Democracy"  Banners promoting KILLING Abbott and where is the outrage? none of course.  Lefties are nothing if not utterly hypocritical.

If there had been banners say 'F*ck" Gillard' would there have been  anything less that legal threats, violence and arrest over it?  Apart from the rathe vomitous imagery, is that unaacceptable to lefties when attacking their own but ok when attacking Abbott?

Has anyone noticed the complete failre of our resident lefty clowns to disassociate with such behaviour?

of course not.  Integrity and principles are not attributes one associates with lefties.



I would count being thorough as well as part of having integrity, like for example, thoroughly review the wide range of slogans. Not sure if the Convoy or the March had more variety, and quite frankly I don't really care.

Don't you think it is good that people have the safety to express their displeasure?

As to the tawdry attempts at moral equivalence. Find an example anywhere that is as base and disgusting as the deliberate, cowardly and bullying Allan Jones attack on the then grieving Julia Gillard about her father dying of shame.

There is your baseline benchmark if you really need one, if you really want to persist in this primary school yard squabbling you possibly consider highly intellectual rhetoric.

The Ditch the Witch or Bob Brown's Bitch or bugger Abbott etc are mere child's play by comparison. That would be my position, having experienced the loss of both parents, no matter who was the target of the disgrace to humanity that would stoop that low.

That said, I still don't support culling...


since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman? 

the left when APE over te Gillard posters which are lame compared to the abbot ones.  What is more disgusting over the posters is the blatant hypocrisy of the left. Not even a mild criticism of thos posters.

And notably when the posters say f*ck DEMOCRACY... not a word.  Surely that should concern even the left, correct?


Seriously? I will explain this to you in the simplest terms that I can and can only hope that when you finish school you come back and debate sensibly.

It does not matter whether Allan Jones is a Liberal MP or spokesman, although arguably he made himself a self appointed spokesmen, just like a litany of other sub-humans on the airwaves and in print media.

Why?

Well the protesters holding those few banners you and your lot are making high profile with your fuss and nonsense are not Labor MPs or spokespeople. So, as sub human as Jones et al are, they are intrinsically no differently placed than the March in March protesters.

Idiot much?

The negative and appalling (disgusting even) comments like, F#ck Abbott, Ditch the Witch etc are comparable. I have been fairly consistent in pointing this out I think. Further, I have been consistent that, whilst I don't agree with either sentiment, I recognise this as some of the baggage we have to accept if we truly want democracy and the freedoms that entails. As to Kill Abbott, well that too has it's equivalent with the Chaff Bag comments - Both comments effectively made by members of broader society. I know that's a tough one for you to grasp, given you post, but it is how it is.

That is what brought me to the die of shame comment, which I note, you simply dismissed rather than make comment. That of itself is stunningly hypocritical, considering you have the temerity to point the finger at others.

So, I have addressed this stuff more than once, I have demonstrated clear disagreement with sentiments expressed on some placards, however,  unlike yourself and your ilk, I have also highlighted that;

a) The comments are very clearly comparable to comments made during the Convoy of No Competence.

b) That saying stuff others do not like is a basic tenant of free speech.

What is being clearly demonstrated by your school yard type of response (don't worry though, you are not alone you are simply one member of a dangerous mob) is a total disregard for the basics of democracy and a blatant disregard for true freedom of speech.

Nice to see where you truly stand.

Further, there have been plenty of words about the F*ck Abbott signs, so you are either incredibly ignorant of what has been said or deliberately misleading. What is concerning has been the dearth of comment about the more thoughtful posters, signs etc - I get it though, you don't even know they exist so why would you comment.... That is being ill informed though, which hardly arms you well for the battle of wits you have careened into with carefree abandon - naked and unarmed.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:17am

Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:06am:

Kat wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:58am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:45am:
 
that might make sense if the protests were apolitical or against both parties.  But they weren't.  They were simply mindlessly anti-abbott and thus can be ignored.



But, they WERE, and it's been documented just about everywhere BUT the MSM.

And, FYI, both the organisers and the participants are all over the ones with the offensive signs and shirts.

That's all over the 'net, too, but not in the MSM.

Cut the bullsh1t, for once in your life.

If you can...  >:(

please post images where they were against say The Greens or Shorten or Mine or the ALP...


But by god, please don't post any images that talk about genuine concerns for the well being of the country... Images have to be about political parties or politicians otherwise it is simply not a protest...

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:19am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:14am:

Kat wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:55am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:47am:
Not mindlessly anti–Abbott—all the signs raised issues to do with the simian’s actions.


"F*ck Abbott"  is addressing an issue or action????


Action, I reckon.

And, since that's what he's doing to the country, I can see why it was said.



and that is why you have NO CREDIBILITY.  you are a real maggot.  get a job for once.


LOL, no seriously LOL....

Given your attempts here, credibility is not something you are a good judge of, demonstrably so in fact.



Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:20am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:01am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:
since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman?

the left when APE over te Gillard posters which are lame compared to the abbot ones.  What is more disgusting over the posters is the blatant hypocrisy of the left. Not even a mild criticism of thos posters.

And notably when the posters say f*ck DEMOCRACY... not a word.  Surely that should concern even the left, correct?



You know you all sound the same.

From Ray Hadley crying his wife & kids are off limits although he calls wives pathetic grubs when they stand by their husbands.

From Andrew Bolt crying & saying he needed stress leave for being vilified yet he vilifies people from Tim Flannery to abo's he thinks are the wrong shade daily.

To longweekend here sprouting about principles, mate you guys went there & went in hard, your gathering in Canberra had a very aggressive attitude.

But now of course we should condemn those signs(never mind they have been over & over) ignore those freaks who turned up & just S.T.F.U & love Abbott & everything he does.

I might have sympathized with you P.O.V had YOU condemned Abbotts & Jones little soiree in Canberra but no that was democracy in action & those upstanding citizens shouldn't be tarred because of the actions of a few.
And of course the leader of the Opposition or his 20 minders never saw the banner they were standing in front of.

Your a hypocrite & a bully just like those you support.


longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:
since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman? 



Again with the denial, jones has tried to be preselected for the liberal party several times, it was at a liberal party fund raiser & Jones is about the only person Tony gives interviews(if you can call them that) other than Hadley.

Jones is a dyed in the wool Liberal & the party loves how he sprouts for them on his show in fact feeds him, but when his caught out it
Allan who?

Own it! >:(



I'll own it when you own the labor union leader calling for the EXECUTION of the Qantas CEO.

do you have any standards at all??  Alan Jones is a compete embarrassment to the liberal party in case you haven't heard.  or those 'pre selection attempts' would have been successful.

and I DID criticise some of the actions in the Canberra rally but naturally you would not remember that.  But you have utterly and completely failed to level one iota of criticism at the anti abbott and anti democracy banners, at the calls for MURDER and more.

'ditch the witch' sounds pretty bloody lame compared to that.

lefties... the absolute home ground or moral-free, principle-challenged hypocrisy.

'F*ck Gillard' banners clearly were missing at anti govt rallies then.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:20am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:45am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:58pm:
Great post, and on topic. For reasons of space I'll only comment on a couple of points.

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
It seems that those opposed to the March in March (for whatever reason), did not see a clear point to it. Fare enough I say, there was no single clear point, that is the point though, there are many and varied "points" of concern for many and varied people. The fact that some do not see the complexity of this is actually their problem, not mine or those who protested.

Indeed - people had a few issues to complain about, so it is not surprising that the protests may appear to have lacked focus. Actually though the protests did have focus - all were protesting against the Abbott government.

It's a bit different to protest marches that I've participated in - three in total, and all against policy decisions of Labor governments. In those protests, there was a single issue.


Quote:
It has been more than clearly articulated that the original organisers of the March asked for people to be thoughtful with signs/banners etc and to try to make the day a family day. Nice request. Clearly though, some people's grasp of their personal right to freedom of expression (you know, one of those pesky basic tenants of a genuine democracy) overrode their sense of decency and propriety. I may not like it, but so be it, it is the price we pay apparently for freedom of expression.

Would anyone here seriously want to loose that freedom, that right?

I like living in a country where people can freely and peacefully express in public dissatisfaction with the government, without the government calling out riot squads to fire water cannons, tear gas, rubber bullets, real bullets or tank rounds. We take too much for granted.

[quote]I hope that the March in March was/is both a warning bell and a beacon - it is appropriate that we move (as a country) toward genuine political change, not a change of Government, a complete change of how we do "Government" from the grassroots up.

Politics in this country are too many personal attacks and too few debates on policy.

Our current Prime Minister is particularly prone to this. He has never really attempted to engage Australians in an honest discussion on policies to find consensus but rather has attempted to impose his view on the country without discussion and without compromise. This dictatorial approach is not one that makes for a long stay for him in the Lodge or for his government on the Treasury benches.

However, other parties are not immune to this failing of getting too personal.

Our political leaders should read the entrails. The public are fed up with the current political approach from the major parties, and a fundamental change of approach is needed from both sides of politics.


Thanks for your reply, but, I would clarify with you that my point was, I don't agree that the March was predominantly about The Liberal Government per se.

That was my point.

It is the Political system that is on the nose in this country, it is the Political machine that is disconnected from mainstream fair dinkum Australians. That political machine comprises both parties (and the smaller parties and independents), and is the problem.

Many make a bid deal about this idea that after six years under a Labor Government the entire country is on the brink of ruin - so, time for a new Government. I am not going to argue against that, hell, it may be right. However, after six months some of the population are of the opinion that we have moved substantially closer to ruin, phew, clearly we were not quite at the brink then thankfully...

Both sides have some validity and I am firmly of the opinion that, for the main part, Australian's are spirited, good hearted and, to a large extent quite conservative in many ways. However, that character trait has been taken advantage of to our disservice and overall we are somewhat politically naïve. As such, movements like the Convoy and the March may well be doomed to failure in the long term until we learn to stand up for ourselves. The system is broken and it needs fixing. Whether we have the will and capacity as a people remains to be seen.

I am concerned at the rampant attacks on freedom of speech and expression that the very media that has howled long and loud when it has felt as though it's own toes are stopped on is perpetrating. I am deeply troubled too that there is no effective body for addressing said concerns too, as challenging as that idea might be.

So, for my part and, from what I witnessed on the day, certainly there were some who were there to "get rid of Abbott" but it is absolute foolishness to think that was the single main underpinning feature of protests. I leave that kind of stupidity to the knuckle draggers who believe three word slogans and politicians (any of them...).


that might make sense if the protests were apolitical or against both parties.  But they weren't.  They were simply mindlessly anti-abbott and thus can be ignored.[/quote]

Thanks for coming, don't let the door hit you on the way out...

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:24am
Sorry comrades I see that mob rule, intimidation politics crap and it just steels my resolve to oppose it .....and I'm pretty damned sure the same thought resonates throughout the electorate.

The MIM was really just collectivist intimidation in the vein of the Nazis and the Stalinists.  Peas in a pod.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:27am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:20am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:01am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:
since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman?

the left when APE over te Gillard posters which are lame compared to the abbot ones.  What is more disgusting over the posters is the blatant hypocrisy of the left. Not even a mild criticism of thos posters.

And notably when the posters say f*ck DEMOCRACY... not a word.  Surely that should concern even the left, correct?



You know you all sound the same.

From Ray Hadley crying his wife & kids are off limits although he calls wives pathetic grubs when they stand by their husbands.

From Andrew Bolt crying & saying he needed stress leave for being vilified yet he vilifies people from Tim Flannery to abo's he thinks are the wrong shade daily.

To longweekend here sprouting about principles, mate you guys went there & went in hard, your gathering in Canberra had a very aggressive attitude.

But now of course we should condemn those signs(never mind they have been over & over) ignore those freaks who turned up & just S.T.F.U & love Abbott & everything he does.

I might have sympathized with you P.O.V had YOU condemned Abbotts & Jones little soiree in Canberra but no that was democracy in action & those upstanding citizens shouldn't be tarred because of the actions of a few.
And of course the leader of the Opposition or his 20 minders never saw the banner they were standing in front of.

Your a hypocrite & a bully just like those you support.


longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:
since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman? 



Again with the denial, jones has tried to be preselected for the liberal party several times, it was at a liberal party fund raiser & Jones is about the only person Tony gives interviews(if you can call them that) other than Hadley.

Jones is a dyed in the wool Liberal & the party loves how he sprouts for them on his show in fact feeds him, but when his caught out it
Allan who?

Own it! >:(



I'll own it when you own the labor union leader calling for the EXECUTION of the Qantas CEO.

do you have any standards at all??  Alan Jones is a compete embarrassment to the liberal party in case you haven't heard.  or those 'pre selection attempts' would have been successful.

and I DID criticise some of the actions in the Canberra rally but naturally you would not remember that.  But you have utterly and completely failed to level one iota of criticism at the anti abbott and anti democracy banners, at the calls for MURDER and more.

'ditch the witch' sounds pretty bloody lame compared to that.

lefties... the absolute home ground or moral-free, principle-challenged hypocrisy.

'F*ck Gillard' banners clearly were missing at anti govt rallies then.


Sorry for my brutal honesty here but I have no cause to believe you spoke out against anything to do with the Convoy protest.

Given your comments regarding Allan Jones not being a Liberal MP or spokesperson I am curious how in a few short posts he is now an embarrassment for the Lieberal party...

Ditch the Witch is lame compared to calls to Kill Abbott, absolutely. Of course, calls to put the incumbent PM in a chaff bag and throwing her in the Tasman are on a par. How quickly we forget it seems.

You see that is comparing apples with apples. Being fair when making comparisons.

Further, I have made comments about the inappropriate banners, you simply either failed to read them or to comprehend what was said. So that clearly and decisively refutes your assertion that "not one iota of criticism has occurred", however, unlike you, I acknowledge that it is still a tenant of free speech that we don't always like what we see or hear.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:27am

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:15am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:58pm:
[quote author=longweekend58 link=1391210694/430#430 date=1395307014]"Ditch the Witch' caused massive leftie outrage.  and yet they come out with "F*ck Tony, F*ck Democracy"  Banners promoting KILLING Abbott and where is the outrage? none of course.  Lefties are nothing if not utterly hypocritical.

If there had been banners say 'F*ck" Gillard' would there have been  anything less that legal threats, violence and arrest over it?  Apart from the rathe vomitous imagery, is that unaacceptable to lefties when attacking their own but ok when attacking Abbott?

Has anyone noticed the complete failre of our resident lefty clowns to disassociate with such behaviour?

of course not.  Integrity and principles are not attributes one associates with lefties.



I would count being thorough as well as part of having integrity, like for example, thoroughly review the wide range of slogans. Not sure if the Convoy or the March had more variety, and quite frankly I don't really care.

Don't you think it is good that people have the safety to express their displeasure?

As to the tawdry attempts at moral equivalence. Find an example anywhere that is as base and disgusting as the deliberate, cowardly and bullying Allan Jones attack on the then grieving Julia Gillard about her father dying of shame.


the left when APE over te Gillard posters which are lame compared to the abbot ones.  What is more disgusting over the posters is the blatant hypocrisy of the left. Not even a mild criticism of thos posters.

And notably when the posters say f*ck DEMOCRACY... not a word.  Surely that should concern even the left, correct?



Why?

Well the protesters holding those few banners you and your lot are making high profile with your fuss and nonsense are not Labor MPs or spokespeople. So, as sub human as Jones et al are, they are intrinsically no differently placed than the March in March protesters.

Idiot much?

The negative and appalling (disgusting even) comments like, F#ck Abbott, Ditch the Witch etc are comparable. I have been fairly consistent in pointing this out I think. Further, I have been consistent that, whilst I don't agree with either sentiment, I recognise this as some of the baggage we have to accept if we truly want democracy and the freedoms that entails. As to Kill Abbott, well that too has it's equivalent with the Chaff Bag comments - Both comments effectively made by members of broader society. I know that's a tough one for you to grasp, given you post, but it is how it is.

That is what brought me to the die of shame comment, which I note, you simply dismissed rather than make comment. That of itself is stunningly hypocritical, considering you have the temerity to point the finger at others.

So, I have addressed this stuff more than once, I have demonstrated clear disagreement with sentiments expressed on some placards, however,  unlike yourself and your ilk, I have also highlighted that;

a) The comments are very clearly comparable to comments made during the Convoy of No Competence.

b) That saying stuff others do not like is a basic tenant of free speech.

What is being clearly demonstrated by your school yard type of response (don't worry though, you are not alone you are simply one member of a dangerous mob) is a total disregard for the basics of democracy and a blatant disregard for true freedom of speech.

Nice to see where you truly stand.

Further, there have been plenty of words about the F*ck Abbott signs, so you are either incredibly ignorant of what has been said or deliberately misleading. What is concerning has been the dearth of comment about the more thoughtful posters, signs etc - I get it though, you don't even know they exist so why would you comment.... That is being ill informed though, which hardly arms you well for the battle of wits you have careened into with carefree abandon - naked and unarmed.


credibility is gained by consistency and the kind of stuff rarely seen on here.  You can be partisan yet credible.  what is not credible is the SUPPORT given to these kinds of signs byt those of the left while having fits of anger and anything from the right.  If you recall, virtually EVERY rightie on here and in the media criticised Alan Jones' comment about dying of shame.  Nont only did they reject it and criticise it, no one was even surprised that they did.  It was offensive and over the line.  But let it come from the left and what do we have?  SUPPORT for the comments, zero apologies and an acceptance that it is all justified.

THAT is the nature of the complaint.  One side has a m o r o n like Alan Jones and apologies for it while the other side behaves in appaling disgusting ways and the left not only doesn't apologies but exuses and supports it.

If Alan Jones called for the execution of a union leader there would be outrage but when that same union leader calls for the murder of a CEO there is.... nothing.

and no one is even surprised.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:31am

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:27am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:20am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:01am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:
since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman?

the left when APE over te Gillard posters which are lame compared to the abbot ones.  What is more disgusting over the posters is the blatant hypocrisy of the left. Not even a mild criticism of thos posters.

And notably when the posters say f*ck DEMOCRACY... not a word.  Surely that should concern even the left, correct?



You know you all sound the same.

From Ray Hadley crying his wife & kids are off limits although he calls wives pathetic grubs when they stand by their husbands.

From Andrew Bolt crying & saying he needed stress leave for being vilified yet he vilifies people from Tim Flannery to abo's he thinks are the wrong shade daily.

To longweekend here sprouting about principles, mate you guys went there & went in hard, your gathering in Canberra had a very aggressive attitude.

But now of course we should condemn those signs(never mind they have been over & over) ignore those freaks who turned up & just S.T.F.U & love Abbott & everything he does.

I might have sympathized with you P.O.V had YOU condemned Abbotts & Jones little soiree in Canberra but no that was democracy in action & those upstanding citizens shouldn't be tarred because of the actions of a few.
And of course the leader of the Opposition or his 20 minders never saw the banner they were standing in front of.

Your a hypocrite & a bully just like those you support.


longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:
since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman? 



Again with the denial, jones has tried to be preselected for the liberal party several times, it was at a liberal party fund raiser & Jones is about the only person Tony gives interviews(if you can call them that) other than Hadley.

Jones is a dyed in the wool Liberal & the party loves how he sprouts for them on his show in fact feeds him, but when his caught out it
Allan who?

Own it! >:(



I'll own it when you own the labor union leader calling for the EXECUTION of the Qantas CEO.

do you have any standards at all??  Alan Jones is a compete embarrassment to the liberal party in case you haven't heard.  or those 'pre selection attempts' would have been successful.

and I DID criticise some of the actions in the Canberra rally but naturally you would not remember that.  But you have utterly and completely failed to level one iota of criticism at the anti abbott and anti democracy banners, at the calls for MURDER and more.

'ditch the witch' sounds pretty bloody lame compared to that.

lefties... the absolute home ground or moral-free, principle-challenged hypocrisy.

'F*ck Gillard' banners clearly were missing at anti govt rallies then.


Sorry for my brutal honesty here but I have no cause to believe you spoke out against anything to do with the Convoy protest.

Given your comments regarding Allan Jones not being a Liberal MP or spokesperson I am curious how in a few short posts he is now an embarrassment for the Lieberal party...

Ditch the Witch is lame compared to calls to Kill Abbott, absolutely. Of course, calls to put the incumbent PM in a chaff bag and throwing her in the Tasman are on a par. How quickly we forget it seems.

You see that is comparing apples with apples. Being fair when making comparisons.

Further, I have made comments about the inappropriate banners, you simply either failed to read them or to comprehend what was said. So that clearly and decisively refutes your assertion that "not one iota of criticism has occurred", however, unlike you, I acknowledge that it is still a tenant of free speech that we don't always like what we see or hear.



If I had super-powers and removed Alan Jones from history, would you be able to frame an anti-liberal post?  It would appear not.  Alan Jones is a renegade and embarrassment to the liberal party which is why he is not an MP. 

try just once and see if you can make an anti-liberal post using actual Liberal MPs and not the fringies who are an embarrassment to all parties.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:31am

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:06am:

Kat wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:58am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:45am:
 
that might make sense if the protests were apolitical or against both parties.  But they weren't.  They were simply mindlessly anti-abbott and thus can be ignored.



But, they WERE, and it's been documented just about everywhere BUT the MSM.

And, FYI, both the organisers and the participants are all over the ones with the offensive signs and shirts.

That's all over the 'net, too, but not in the MSM.

Cut the bullsh1t, for once in your life.

If you can...  >:(

please post images where they were against say The Greens or Shorten or Mine or the ALP...


But by god, please don't post any images that talk about genuine concerns for the well being of the country... Images have to be about political parties or politicians otherwise it is simply not a protest...

If only you were really the legend in your own mind.
I specified that because Kat said there was no bias or prejudice against Abbott or just one side of politics...  logically then to prove such... images of the other would suffice to back kat up.  ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:32am
No one here has defended the Kill Abbott signs. The MiM was a true grassroots effort so stupid and offensive signs could not be excluded. 99.99% of signs contained specific criticisms of the simian and shambles.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:32am

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:27am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:20am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:01am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:
since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman?

the left when APE over te Gillard posters which are lame compared to the abbot ones.  What is more disgusting over the posters is the blatant hypocrisy of the left. Not even a mild criticism of thos posters.

And notably when the posters say f*ck DEMOCRACY... not a word.  Surely that should concern even the left, correct?



You know you all sound the same.

From Ray Hadley crying his wife & kids are off limits although he calls wives pathetic grubs when they stand by their husbands.

From Andrew Bolt crying & saying he needed stress leave for being vilified yet he vilifies people from Tim Flannery to abo's he thinks are the wrong shade daily.

To longweekend here sprouting about principles, mate you guys went there & went in hard, your gathering in Canberra had a very aggressive attitude.

But now of course we should condemn those signs(never mind they have been over & over) ignore those freaks who turned up & just S.T.F.U & love Abbott & everything he does.

I might have sympathized with you P.O.V had YOU condemned Abbotts & Jones little soiree in Canberra but no that was democracy in action & those upstanding citizens shouldn't be tarred because of the actions of a few.
And of course the leader of the Opposition or his 20 minders never saw the banner they were standing in front of.

Your a hypocrite & a bully just like those you support.


longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:
since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman? 



Again with the denial, jones has tried to be preselected for the liberal party several times, it was at a liberal party fund raiser & Jones is about the only person Tony gives interviews(if you can call them that) other than Hadley.

Jones is a dyed in the wool Liberal & the party loves how he sprouts for them on his show in fact feeds him, but when his caught out it
Allan who?

Own it! >:(



I'll own it when you own the labor union leader calling for the EXECUTION of the Qantas CEO.

do you have any standards at all??  Alan Jones is a compete embarrassment to the liberal party in case you haven't heard.  or those 'pre selection attempts' would have been successful.

and I DID criticise some of the actions in the Canberra rally but naturally you would not remember that.  But you have utterly and completely failed to level one iota of criticism at the anti abbott and anti democracy banners, at the calls for MURDER and more.

'ditch the witch' sounds pretty bloody lame compared to that.

lefties... the absolute home ground or moral-free, principle-challenged hypocrisy.

'F*ck Gillard' banners clearly were missing at anti govt rallies then.


Sorry for my brutal honesty here but I have no cause to believe you spoke out against anything to do with the Convoy protest.

Given your comments regarding Allan Jones not being a Liberal MP or spokesperson I am curious how in a few short posts he is now an embarrassment for the Lieberal party...

Ditch the Witch is lame compared to calls to Kill Abbott, absolutely. Of course, calls to put the incumbent PM in a chaff bag and throwing her in the Tasman are on a par. How quickly we forget it seems.

You see that is comparing apples with apples. Being fair when making comparisons.

Further, I have made comments about the inappropriate banners, you simply either failed to read them or to comprehend what was said. So that clearly and decisively refutes your assertion that "not one iota of criticism has occurred", however, unlike you, I acknowledge that it is still a tenant of free speech that we don't always like what we see or hear.



so Alan Jones is okay in your book then?  or do we have to have a post on what Free Speech ACTUALLY means?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:34am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:32am:
No one here has defended the Kill Abbott signs. The MiM was a true grassroots LW Progressive effort so stupid and offensive signs could not be excluded. 99.99% of signs contained specific criticisms of the simian and shambles.


Let's not forget those words Geoooorge.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Grendel on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:36am
Your constant referral to Abbott in derogatory terms and your avatar prove how biased ignorant and childish you are and you hold yourself as an example of the group.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You shoot yourself in the foot with every post. :D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:37am

Swagman wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:24am:
Sorry comrades I see that mob rule, intimidation politics crap and it just steels my resolve to oppose it .....and I'm pretty damned sure the same thought resonates throughout the electorate.

The MIM was really just collectivist intimidation in the vein of the Nazis and the Stalinists.  Peas in a pod.

You have no idea at all, do you? You weren’t there.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:45am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:32am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:27am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:20am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:01am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:
since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman?
the left when APE over te Gillard posters which are lame compared to the abbot ones.  What is more disgusting over the posters is the blatant hypocrisy of the left. Not even a mild criticism of thos posters.
And notably when the posters say f*ck DEMOCRACY... not a word.  Surely that should concern even the left, correct?

You know you all sound the same.
From Ray Hadley crying his wife & kids are off limits although he calls wives pathetic grubs when they stand by their husbands.
From Andrew Bolt crying & saying he needed stress leave for being vilified yet he vilifies people from Tim Flannery to abo's he thinks are the wrong shade daily.
To longweekend here sprouting about principles, mate you guys went there & went in hard, your gathering in Canberra had a very aggressive attitude.
But now of course we should condemn those signs(never mind they have been over & over) ignore those freaks who turned up & just S.T.F.U & love Abbott & everything he does.
I might have sympathized with you P.O.V had YOU condemned Abbotts & Jones little soiree in Canberra but no that was democracy in action & those upstanding citizens shouldn't be tarred because of the actions of a few.
And of course the leader of the Opposition or his 20 minders never saw the banner they were standing in front of.
Your a hypocrite & a bully just like those you support.


longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:
since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman? 


Again with the denial, jones has tried to be preselected for the liberal party several times, it was at a liberal party fund raiser & Jones is about the only person Tony gives interviews(if you can call them that) other than Hadley.
Jones is a dyed in the wool Liberal & the party loves how he sprouts for them on his show in fact feeds him, but when his caught out it
Allan who?
Own it! >:(


I'll own it when you own the labor union leader calling for the EXECUTION of the Qantas CEO.

do you have any standards at all??  Alan Jones is a compete embarrassment to the liberal party in case you haven't heard.  or those 'pre selection attempts' would have been successful.

and I DID criticise some of the actions in the Canberra rally but naturally you would not remember that.  But you have utterly and completely failed to level one iota of criticism at the anti abbott and anti democracy banners, at the calls for MURDER and more.

'ditch the witch' sounds pretty bloody lame compared to that.

lefties... the absolute home ground or moral-free, principle-challenged hypocrisy.

'F*ck Gillard' banners clearly were missing at anti govt rallies then.


Sorry for my brutal honesty here but I have no cause to believe you spoke out against anything to do with the Convoy protest.

Given your comments regarding Allan Jones not being a Liberal MP or spokesperson I am curious how in a few short posts he is now an embarrassment for the Lieberal party...

Ditch the Witch is lame compared to calls to Kill Abbott, absolutely. Of course, calls to put the incumbent PM in a chaff bag and throwing her in the Tasman are on a par. How quickly we forget it seems.

You see that is comparing apples with apples. Being fair when making comparisons.

Further, I have made comments about the inappropriate banners, you simply either failed to read them or to comprehend what was said. So that clearly and decisively refutes your assertion that "not one iota of criticism has occurred", however, unlike you, I acknowledge that it is still a tenant of free speech that we don't always like what we see or hear.



so Alan Jones is okay in your book then?  or do we have to have a post on what Free Speech ACTUALLY means?


No. He is a subhuman who does not deserve the time of day.
Sure, he is entitled (obviously) to speak his piece and, as is my right, I will call him a subspecies, which in turn he might not like.
That is how it works. Of course, if it were my father he spoke of, well, I am not entirely sure I would have the self control even with the support of family, not to pop in for a visit and arrange the meeting with my father without compunction. That's just how it is. There is genuine honesty for you, I don't like that aspect, but it is what it is.
Cleary though, despite your weasel words, he is alright by you.
Bottom line here son is this. Nothing in either of the protests outdoes the other, both protests occurred because people felt they had "issues" to address. These people acted on their views and acted on their democratic right to protest and the freedom to express themselves. You can squirm, manipulate fact and well, lie all you like to try to claim some moral high ground, BUT, the distinct difference between you position (Shared with others of course) is that your position, whether you like it or not, is a blatant attack on democracy and free speech, whereas, my position is to agree with you that some "messages" were inappropriate and, to some extent uncalled for and unhelpful on many levels, people are free to protest in a democracy.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by dsmithy70 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:45am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:31am:
and not the fringies who are an embarrassment to all parties.



Why?

That's what your whole argument against this march is based on, a few signs by the lunatic fringe.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:47am

Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:34am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:32am:
No one here has defended the Kill Abbott signs. The MiM was a true grassroots LW Progressive effort so stupid and offensive signs could not be excluded. 99.99% of signs contained specific criticisms of the simian and shambles.


Let's not forget those words Geoooorge.

Don’t change my words when quoting them. That is just one reason why I call you a troll.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Swagman on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:47am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:37am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:24am:
Sorry comrades I see that mob rule, intimidation politics crap and it just steels my resolve to oppose it .....and I'm pretty damned sure the same thought resonates throughout the electorate.

The MIM was really just collectivist intimidation in the vein of the Nazis and the Stalinists.  Peas in a pod.

You have no idea at all, do you? You weren’t there.


I wasn't at Nuremberg either George.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:48am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:31am:
and not the fringies who are an embarrassment to all parties.



Why?

That's what your whole argument against this march is based on, a few signs by the lunatic fringe.

Lunatic fringe and some Young Libs trying to sabotage the MiM.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:49am

Swagman wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:47am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:37am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:24am:
Sorry comrades I see that mob rule, intimidation politics crap and it just steels my resolve to oppose it .....and I'm pretty damned sure the same thought resonates throughout the electorate.

The MIM was really just collectivist intimidation in the vein of the Nazis and the Stalinists.  Peas in a pod.

You have no idea at all, do you? You weren’t there.


I wasn't at Nuremberg either George.


Here is a radical idea. I am sure there will be more Marches—go and mingle with the crowd, you will see it is good humored, friendly, focussed on issues.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:51am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:27am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:15am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:58pm:
[quote author=longweekend58 link=1391210694/430#430 date=1395307014]"Ditch the Witch' caused massive leftie outrage.  and yet they come out with "F*ck Tony, F*ck Democracy"  Banners promoting KILLING Abbott and where is the outrage? none of course.  Lefties are nothing if not utterly hypocritical.

If there had been banners say 'F*ck" Gillard' would there have been  anything less that legal threats, violence and arrest over it?  Apart from the rathe vomitous imagery, is that unaacceptable to lefties when attacking their own but ok when attacking Abbott?

Has anyone noticed the complete failre of our resident lefty clowns to disassociate with such behaviour?

of course not.  Integrity and principles are not attributes one associates with lefties.



I would count being thorough as well as part of having integrity, like for example, thoroughly review the wide range of slogans. Not sure if the Convoy or the March had more variety, and quite frankly I don't really care.

Don't you think it is good that people have the safety to express their displeasure?

As to the tawdry attempts at moral equivalence. Find an example anywhere that is as base and disgusting as the deliberate, cowardly and bullying Allan Jones attack on the then grieving Julia Gillard about her father dying of shame.


the left when APE over te Gillard posters which are lame compared to the abbot ones.  What is more disgusting over the posters is the blatant hypocrisy of the left. Not even a mild criticism of thos posters.

And notably when the posters say f*ck DEMOCRACY... not a word.  Surely that should concern even the left, correct?



Why?

Well the protesters holding those few banners you and your lot are making high profile with your fuss and nonsense are not Labor MPs or spokespeople. So, as sub human as Jones et al are, they are intrinsically no differently placed than the March in March protesters.

Idiot much?

The negative and appalling (disgusting even) comments like, F#ck Abbott, Ditch the Witch etc are comparable. I have been fairly consistent in pointing this out I think. Further, I have been consistent that, whilst I don't agree with either sentiment, I recognise this as some of the baggage we have to accept if we truly want democracy and the freedoms that entails. As to Kill Abbott, well that too has it's equivalent with the Chaff Bag comments - Both comments effectively made by members of broader society. I know that's a tough one for you to grasp, given you post, but it is how it is.

That is what brought me to the die of shame comment, which I note, you simply dismissed rather than make comment. That of itself is stunningly hypocritical, considering you have the temerity to point the finger at others.

So, I have addressed this stuff more than once, I have demonstrated clear disagreement with sentiments expressed on some placards, however,  unlike yourself and your ilk, I have also highlighted that;

a) The comments are very clearly comparable to comments made during the Convoy of No Competence.

b) That saying stuff others do not like is a basic tenant of free speech.

What is being clearly demonstrated by your school yard type of response (don't worry though, you are not alone you are simply one member of a dangerous mob) is a total disregard for the basics of democracy and a blatant disregard for true freedom of speech.

Nice to see where you truly stand.

Further, there have been plenty of words about the F*ck Abbott signs, so you are either incredibly ignorant of what has been said or deliberately misleading. What is concerning has been the dearth of comment about the more thoughtful posters, signs etc - I get it though, you don't even know they exist so why would you comment.... That is being ill informed though, which hardly arms you well for the battle of wits you have careened into with carefree abandon - naked and unarmed.


credibility is gained by consistency and the kind of stuff rarely seen on here.  You can be partisan yet credible.  what is not credible is the SUPPORT given to these kinds of signs byt those of the left while having fits of anger and anything from the right.  If you recall, virtually EVERY rightie on here and in the media criticised Alan Jones' comment about dying of shame.  Nont only did they reject it and criticise it, no one was even surprised that they did.  It was offensive and over the line.  But let it come from the left and what do we have?  SUPPORT for the comments, zero apologies and an acceptance that it is all justified.

THAT is the nature of the complaint.  One side has a m o r o n like Alan Jones and apologies for it while the other side behaves in appaling disgusting ways and the left not only doesn't apologies but exuses and supports it.

If Alan Jones called for the execution of a union leader there would be outrage but when that same union leader calls for the murder of a CEO there is.... nothing.

and no one is even surprised.


Well you can be consistent and not credible too in point of fact.

If's do not count as valid argument by the way and, that said, plenty was said about the "shooting' threat, you just did not read it, hear it or get it...Your problem.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by GeorgeH on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:56am

Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:36am:
Your constant referral to Abbott in derogatory terms and your avatar prove how biased ignorant and childish you are and you hold yourself as an example of the group.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You shoot yourself in the foot with every post. :D

Do I?

Abbott has come to power on 3 word slogans. After six months there is still not a skerrick of positive legislation before Parliament. And he walks like an ape and can’t even put a tie on properly.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:03am

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
"Ditch the Witch' caused massive leftie outrage.  and yet they come out with "F*ck Tony, F*ck Democracy"  Banners promoting KILLING Abbott and where is the outrage? none of course.  Lefties are nothing if not utterly hypocritical.

If there had been banners say 'F*ck" Gillard' would there have been  anything less that legal threats, violence and arrest over it?  Apart from the rathe vomitous imagery, is that unaacceptable to lefties when attacking their own but ok when attacking Abbott?

Has anyone noticed the complete failre of our resident lefty clowns to disassociate with such behaviour?

of course not.  Integrity and principles are not attributes one associates with lefties.


No one, I repeat no one, does hypocrisy like a "progressive". The section of their brain that deals with self-reflection and analysis for consistency is missing.


"The old man recently died a few weeks ago of shame. To think that he had a daughter who told lies every time she stood for parliament".
23 September 2012, Sydney University Liberal Club hosted its annual president's dinner with a keynote address by Sydney radio presenter Alan Jones.

Let's talk hypocrisy then.

That is without doubt the lowest most rank comment any person from any walk of life or political position could make.

Make no mistake, I am not defending the inappropriate (to my mind) comments made on SOME placards, t-shirts etc. but it is galling to see the blatantly dishonest, wormy and cowardly misrepresentation of the majority of marchers, yes majority carry on in an absence of objectivity, reason or facts. Whilst I do not agree with bugger Abbott I do recognise that is perhaps the best some might come up with, it is no more or less repulsive than Ditch the Witch, Bob Brown's bitch or any other of your teams tawdry quotes. Suggestions to cause harm or death to Tony Abbott likewise are unpalatable to me personally, however, clearly on a par with putting Julia Gillard in a chaff bag and throwing her in the Tasman. Ironically, it is the same commercial media (broadly speaking) that gave both opinions a platform for dissemination. And you still do not even grasp the threat to our democracy that misguided media represents, you stupidly maintain the ABC is the only problem...

As to Mr Jones, well, he went well and truly beyond the mark of indecency. So, team right, to be fair and honest have set a pretty low bench mark there. To my mind that is not even arguable, however, I am well aware some will just have to try. Truth does indeed hurt though.

Now, tell us all again about the capacity for self reflection and let's be really daring, share with us the benefits in hindsight of genuine and deep self reflection.... If you dare or are capable.


The core reason why "progressives" are highly hypocritical is their preaching of tolerance, equality, and diversity, then in the next breath breaking these very rules they set out for themselves and others. Conservatives do not preach such things. They're honest in this regard. They tell us straight up who they don't like and why. With a "progressive", it's 'tolerance day' one day, then 'hate and castigation day' the next. They need to drop these feelgood slogans and just argue their points. Everyone has enemies and opponents and relies on these enemies and opponents to clarify their position. All arguments are made in contradistinction to other arguments/positions. Stepping outside this framework is an impossibility. My advice to the "progressives" is, as stated, drop the feelgood slogans and just argue the point.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:07am
[quote author=Phemanderac link=1391210694/498#498 date=1395355503][quote author=longweekend58 link=1391210694/494#494 date=1395354771][quote author=Phemanderac link=1391210694/489#489 date=1395354454][quote author=longweekend58 link=1391210694/486#486 date=1395354005][quote author=dsmithy70 link=1391210694/480#480 date=1395352885][quote author=longweekend58 link=1391210694/469#469 date=1395351829]since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman?
theother, both protests occurred because people felt they had "issues" to address. These people acted on their views and acted on their democratic right to protest and the freedom to express themselves. You can squirm, manipulate fact and well, lie all you like to try to claim some moral high ground, BUT, the distinct difference between you position (Shared with others of course) is that your position, whether you like it or not, is a blatant attack on democracy and free speech, whereas, my position is to agree with you that some "messages" were inappropriate and, to some extent uncalled for and unh


If you were criticising and appalled by the calls to murder and so on then you might be okay.  but you seem a little lacking in the criticism of such.


Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:09am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:31am:
and not the fringies who are an embarrassment to all parties.



Why?

That's what your whole argument against this march is based on, a few signs by the lunatic fringe.



well your outrage at 'ditch the witch' was based on a couple signs at a protest and you and your lot went on and on and on about it for a YEAR.  so yeah... how about some balance???

as u know I criticised such posters. I have little tolerance for disrespect of the PM in such a manner.  But it would appear most other people only oppose rude criticism of 'their' favourite.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:09am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
"Ditch the Witch' caused massive leftie outrage.  and yet they come out with "F*ck Tony, F*ck Democracy"  Banners promoting KILLING Abbott and where is the outrage? none of course.  Lefties are nothing if not utterly hypocritical.

If there had been banners say 'F*ck" Gillard' would there have been  anything less that legal threats, violence and arrest over it?  Apart from the rathe vomitous imagery, is that unaacceptable to lefties when attacking their own but ok when attacking Abbott?

Has anyone noticed the complete failre of our resident lefty clowns to disassociate with such behaviour?

of course not.  Integrity and principles are not attributes one associates with lefties.



I would count being thorough as well as part of having integrity, like for example, thoroughly review the wide range of slogans. Not sure if the Convoy or the March had more variety, and quite frankly I don't really care.

Don't you think it is good that people have the safety to express their displeasure?

As to the tawdry attempts at moral equivalence. Find an example anywhere that is as base and disgusting as the deliberate, cowardly and bullying Allan Jones attack on the then grieving Julia Gillard about her father dying of shame.

There is your baseline benchmark if you really need one, if you really want to persist in this primary school yard squabbling you possibly consider highly intellectual rhetoric.

The Ditch the Witch or Bob Brown's Bitch or bugger Abbott etc are mere child's play by comparison. That would be my position, having experienced the loss of both parents, no matter who was the target of the disgrace to humanity that would stoop that low.

That said, I still don't support culling...


since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman? 

the left when APE over te Gillard posters which are lame compared to the abbot ones.  What is more disgusting over the posters is the blatant hypocrisy of the left. Not even a mild criticism of thos posters.

And notably when the posters say f*ck DEMOCRACY... not a word.  Surely that should concern even the left, correct?

Since when were people in the March in March protest labor MPs dear? Ahh hypocrisy reigns supreme in longwhines mind.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:11am

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:56am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:36am:
Your constant referral to Abbott in derogatory terms and your avatar prove how biased ignorant and childish you are and you hold yourself as an example of the group.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You shoot yourself in the foot with every post. :D

Do I?

Abbott has come to power on 3 word slogans. After six months there is still not a skerrick of positive legislation before Parliament. And he walks like an ape and can’t even put a tie on properly.



Positive... as defined by you.  couldn't be a more biased definition if you tried.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:29am

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:03am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
"Ditch the Witch' caused massive leftie outrage.  and yet they come out with "F*ck Tony, F*ck Democracy"  Banners promoting KILLING Abbott and where is the outrage? none of course.  Lefties are nothing if not utterly hypocritical.

If there had been banners say 'F*ck" Gillard' would there have been  anything less that legal threats, violence and arrest over it?  Apart from the rathe vomitous imagery, is that unaacceptable to lefties when attacking their own but ok when attacking Abbott?

Has anyone noticed the complete failre of our resident lefty clowns to disassociate with such behaviour?

of course not.  Integrity and principles are not attributes one associates with lefties.


No one, I repeat no one, does hypocrisy like a "progressive". The section of their brain that deals with self-reflection and analysis for consistency is missing.


"The old man recently died a few weeks ago of shame. To think that he had a daughter who told lies every time she stood for parliament".
23 September 2012, Sydney University Liberal Club hosted its annual president's dinner with a keynote address by Sydney radio presenter Alan Jones.

Let's talk hypocrisy then.

That is without doubt the lowest most rank comment any person from any walk of life or political position could make.

Make no mistake, I am not defending the inappropriate (to my mind) comments made on SOME placards, t-shirts etc. but it is galling to see the blatantly dishonest, wormy and cowardly misrepresentation of the majority of marchers, yes majority carry on in an absence of objectivity, reason or facts. Whilst I do not agree with bugger Abbott I do recognise that is perhaps the best some might come up with, it is no more or less repulsive than Ditch the Witch, Bob Brown's bitch or any other of your teams tawdry quotes. Suggestions to cause harm or death to Tony Abbott likewise are unpalatable to me personally, however, clearly on a par with putting Julia Gillard in a chaff bag and throwing her in the Tasman. Ironically, it is the same commercial media (broadly speaking) that gave both opinions a platform for dissemination. And you still do not even grasp the threat to our democracy that misguided media represents, you stupidly maintain the ABC is the only problem...

As to Mr Jones, well, he went well and truly beyond the mark of indecency. So, team right, to be fair and honest have set a pretty low bench mark there. To my mind that is not even arguable, however, I am well aware some will just have to try. Truth does indeed hurt though.

Now, tell us all again about the capacity for self reflection and let's be really daring, share with us the benefits in hindsight of genuine and deep self reflection.... If you dare or are capable.


The core reason why "progressives" are highly hypocritical is their preaching of tolerance, equality, and diversity, then in the next breath breaking these very rules they set out for themselves and others. Conservatives do not preach such things. They're honest in this regard. They tell us straight up who they don't like and why. With a "progressive", it's 'tolerance day' one day, then 'hate and castigation day' the next. They need to drop these feelgood slogans and just argue their points. Everyone has enemies and opponents and relies on these enemies and opponents to clarify their position. All arguments are made in contradistinction to other arguments/positions. Stepping outside this framework is an impossibility. My advice to the "progressives" is, as stated, drop the feelgood slogans and just argue the point.

Actually, conservatives demonstrate hypocrisy as well, you are correct though, the do tell us who they do not like, vociferously, except they get all hypocritical when that gets a response they do not like or wish to accept.

You also build up a false framework there, it is possible for people to demonstrably hold two (or more) conflicting opinions at one time. So, whilst I see how you could view the "progressives" as you love to label them, as holding contradictory views, I say that is fairly normal human behaviour. We are a complex beast - well after experiencing this forum I will change that to have the capacity to be complex but obviously some shy away from that.
The feel good slogans as you put them (I love the fact that you seem to be suggesting slogans are a bad idea, after our recent three word slogan election, totally high brow critical thinking right there...) have been pretty basic tenants of philosophical debate about the "human condition" since Plato began thinking...

Of course, even primitives like Plato worked out that we people are a flawed bunch, others like Buddha, for example, pointed out that perfection is what we strive for but never attain. Perfection would be stagnation.

So I see what you are saying, progressives like some lofty ideals, but they are human and fail to demonstrate them, whereas, conservatives just tell us what/who they hate.

Very clear I get it, thanks.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:29am

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:03am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
"Ditch the Witch' caused massive leftie outrage.  and yet they come out with "F*ck Tony, F*ck Democracy"  Banners promoting KILLING Abbott and where is the outrage? none of course.  Lefties are nothing if not utterly hypocritical.

If there had been banners say 'F*ck" Gillard' would there have been  anything less that legal threats, violence and arrest over it?  Apart from the rathe vomitous imagery, is that unaacceptable to lefties when attacking their own but ok when attacking Abbott?

Has anyone noticed the complete failre of our resident lefty clowns to disassociate with such behaviour?

of course not.  Integrity and principles are not attributes one associates with lefties.


No one, I repeat no one, does hypocrisy like a "progressive". The section of their brain that deals with self-reflection and analysis for consistency is missing.


"The old man recently died a few weeks ago of shame. To think that he had a daughter who told lies every time she stood for parliament".
23 September 2012, Sydney University Liberal Club hosted its annual president's dinner with a keynote address by Sydney radio presenter Alan Jones.

Let's talk hypocrisy then.

That is without doubt the lowest most rank comment any person from any walk of life or political position could make.

Make no mistake, I am not defending the inappropriate (to my mind) comments made on SOME placards, t-shirts etc. but it is galling to see the blatantly dishonest, wormy and cowardly misrepresentation of the majority of marchers, yes majority carry on in an absence of objectivity, reason or facts. Whilst I do not agree with bugger Abbott I do recognise that is perhaps the best some might come up with, it is no more or less repulsive than Ditch the Witch, Bob Brown's bitch or any other of your teams tawdry quotes. Suggestions to cause harm or death to Tony Abbott likewise are unpalatable to me personally, however, clearly on a par with putting Julia Gillard in a chaff bag and throwing her in the Tasman. Ironically, it is the same commercial media (broadly speaking) that gave both opinions a platform for dissemination. And you still do not even grasp the threat to our democracy that misguided media represents, you stupidly maintain the ABC is the only problem...

As to Mr Jones, well, he went well and truly beyond the mark of indecency. So, team right, to be fair and honest have set a pretty low bench mark there. To my mind that is not even arguable, however, I am well aware some will just have to try. Truth does indeed hurt though.

Now, tell us all again about the capacity for self reflection and let's be really daring, share with us the benefits in hindsight of genuine and deep self reflection.... If you dare or are capable.


The core reason why "progressives" are highly hypocritical is their preaching of tolerance, equality, and diversity, then in the next breath breaking these very rules they set out for themselves and others. Conservatives do not preach such things. They're honest in this regard. They tell us straight up who they don't like and why. With a "progressive", it's 'tolerance day' one day, then 'hate and castigation day' the next. They need to drop these feelgood slogans and just argue their points. Everyone has enemies and opponents and relies on these enemies and opponents to clarify their position. All arguments are made in contradistinction to other arguments/positions. Stepping outside this framework is an impossibility. My advice to the "progressives" is, as stated, drop the feelgood slogans and just argue the point.

Actually, conservatives demonstrate hypocrisy as well, you are correct though, the do tell us who they do not like, vociferously, except they get all hypocritical when that gets a response they do not like or wish to accept.

You also build up a false framework there, it is possible for people to demonstrably hold two (or more) conflicting opinions at one time. So, whilst I see how you could view the "progressives" as you love to label them, as holding contradictory views, I say that is fairly normal human behaviour. We are a complex beast - well after experiencing this forum I will change that to have the capacity to be complex but obviously some shy away from that.
The feel good slogans as you put them (I love the fact that you seem to be suggesting slogans are a bad idea, after our recent three word slogan election, totally high brow critical thinking right there...) have been pretty basic tenants of philosophical debate about the "human condition" since Plato began thinking...

Of course, even primitives like Plato worked out that we people are a flawed bunch, others like Buddha, for example, pointed out that perfection is what we strive for but never attain. Perfection would be stagnation.

So I see what you are saying, progressives like some lofty ideals, but they are human and fail to demonstrate them, whereas, conservatives just tell us what/who they hate.

Very clear I get it, thanks.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by skippy. on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:31am

Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 6:57am:

Kat wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:13pm:
No need to comment on yourself Kat...  happy for you to apologise NOW BTW.  :) :) :)


Why?

I have nothing to apologise for.

Really?  how soon you forget...  you pansi and skippy said what recently?
man up kat...  apologise and admit you were wrong.

Hey boofy the liar, it seems you owe Kat pansi and I an apology, any time soon would be good old chump. Gillard said THIS THE NIGHT BEFORE THE 2010 so it guzumps  any other C@ P you or the other lying bogans want to roll out. Game set match chump, see ya. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Quote:
JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term. In an election- interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a MANDATE for a carbon price, provided the community was ready for this step.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:38am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:07am:
[quote author=Phemanderac link=1391210694/498#498 date=1395355503][quote author=longweekend58 link=1391210694/494#494 date=1395354771][quote author=Phemanderac link=1391210694/489#489 date=1395354454][quote author=longweekend58 link=1391210694/486#486 date=1395354005][quote author=dsmithy70 link=1391210694/480#480 date=1395352885][quote author=longweekend58 link=1391210694/469#469 date=1395351829]since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman?
theother, both protests occurred because people felt they had "issues" to address. These people acted on their views and acted on their democratic right to protest and the freedom to express themselves. You can squirm, manipulate fact and well, lie all you like to try to claim some moral high ground, BUT, the distinct difference between you position (Shared with others of course) is that your position, whether you like it or not, is a blatant attack on democracy and free speech, whereas, my position is to agree with you that some "messages" were inappropriate and, to some extent uncalled for and unh


If you were criticising and appalled by the calls to murder and so on then you might be okay.  but you seem a little lacking in the criticism of such.


I think I used the word appalling somewhere (although not in the quote you have now botched up), pretty sure I did in fact. One would suspect one cannot be any clearer than that.

I also think I pointed out that BOTH examples were appalling too. Is this another reading and comprehension 101 issue?

On the note you make though, if you were a little more critical and appalled by Jones' comments rather than foolishly suggesting that he is not a party representative or MP you might have more credibility.

I made it perfectly clear (well clear to any with a skerrick of insight) that I neither agree or support those stated positions. Unlike you though, I also point out that these inappropriate and "appalling" comments are one of the burdens attached to free speech. You seem to be opposed to free speech though, is that it?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by dsmithy70 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:39am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:09am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:31am:
and not the fringies who are an embarrassment to all parties.



Why?

That's what your whole argument against this march is based on, a few signs by the lunatic fringe.



well your outrage at 'ditch the witch' was based on a couple signs at a protest and you and your lot went on and on and on about it for a YEAR.  so yeah... how about some balance???

as u know I criticised such posters. I have little tolerance for disrespect of the PM in such a manner.  But it would appear most other people only oppose rude criticism of 'their' favourite.


My problem was that Tony Abbott & Co stood in front of these signs & encouraged the outrage.

Don't insult my intelligence by trying to run the line he did not know, it's crap & you know it.
There would have had to be close to 30 or 40 party members in that crowd from media advisers/office staff/security, the sign didn't appear as he was talking it was loud & proud as he took the stage.

I believe that you did have a mild swipe at the banners about the same level as mine against these current ones,

lunatic fringe best ignored by everyone.

I don't speak for other people only myself, & if Mike Carlton ever says Tony's parent died of shame in the same week they passed at a Labor fundraising I'll be just as disgusted.
What I won't do is try & excuse it because they are not a "Member" of the party.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by mozzaok on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:48am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:50am:

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 11:06pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 8:03pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:58pm:
Great post, and on topic. For reasons of space I'll only comment on a couple of points.

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
It seems that those opposed to the March in March (for whatever reason), did not see a clear point to it. Fare enough I say, there was no single clear point, that is the point though, there are many and varied "points" of concern for many and varied people. The fact that some do not see the complexity of this is actually their problem, not mine or those who protested.

Indeed - people had a few issues to complain about, so it is not surprising that the protests may appear to have lacked focus. Actually though the protests did have focus - all were protesting against the Abbott government.

Which is exactly the point and the prog Left in their inimitable fashion hate and always play the man.  To most of them it is about Abbott and hatred and having lost government and being so small minded and clueless they've forgotten how a democracy works.

And the conservatives never got personal when Gillard was PM?  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Ditch the witch.
Chaff bags dumped at sea.
Saying her father died of shame.

Do you want more examples of the foul personal attacks that conservatives came out with when Gillard was PM?

The conservatives have no moral high ground here. Obviously, they can dish it out but cannot take it.


there were no banners saying f*ck Gillard or public speeches suggesting she be killed as has occurred to Abbott

The way you behave you would think that PMs had never before been personally attacked.  Gillard received LESS abuse than average but was far too thin-skinned to handle it.


Is this the BIGGEST LIE ever posted on these forums, or simply a sign of the degree of self delusion that certain extreme right supporters are capable of?

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 21st, 2014 at 10:11am

skippy. wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:31am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 6:57am:

Kat wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 6:13pm:
No need to comment on yourself Kat...  happy for you to apologise NOW BTW.  :) :) :)


Why?

I have nothing to apologise for.

Really?  how soon you forget...  you pansi and skippy said what recently?
man up kat...  apologise and admit you were wrong.

Hey boofy the liar, it seems you owe Kat pansi and I an apology, any time soon would be good old chump. Gillard said THIS THE NIGHT BEFORE THE 2010 so it guzumps  any other C@ P you or the other lying bogans want to roll out. Game set match chump, see ya. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Quote:
JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term. In an election- interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a MANDATE for a carbon price, provided the community was ready for this step.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story

Geez lueeeez, that biatch is even worse than thought. One day, on TV no less, she tells everyone she wants community consensus in order for a cap on carbon pollution, then hidden on paper she says she will take victory as a mandate to cap carbon pollution.

What a complete and utter dog, a complete and utter lying, deceiving political party the labor party are.

No wonder the dopes on the left are trying to say black is white. The biatch Gillard gave them an out. The endz justifiez the meanz hey comradz.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by mantra on Mar 21st, 2014 at 10:54am

mozzaok wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:48am:



Quote:
Gillard received LESS abuse than average but was far too thin-skinned to handle it.


Is this the BIGGEST LIE ever posted on these forums, or simply a sign of the degree of self delusion that certain extreme right supporters are capable of?


Yes it is and the worst public hate fest endorsed by an opposition that we've seen in Australia for the past 30 years. Abbott won because of his ability to bully, slander and ridicule his opponent and he attracted his supporters because of this thuggery. Abuse is a base instinct for a lot of people. They love Abbott because he is a pugilist through and through.

Still he's been voted in and will stay in until the opposition finds a more formidable opponent - and that might take a while. 


Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 11:14am

Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:31am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:06am:

Kat wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:58am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:45am:
 
that might make sense if the protests were apolitical or against both parties.  But they weren't.  They were simply mindlessly anti-abbott and thus can be ignored.



But, they WERE, and it's been documented just about everywhere BUT the MSM.

And, FYI, both the organisers and the participants are all over the ones with the offensive signs and shirts.

That's all over the 'net, too, but not in the MSM.

Cut the bullsh1t, for once in your life.

If you can...  >:(

please post images where they were against say The Greens or Shorten or Mine or the ALP...


But by god, please don't post any images that talk about genuine concerns for the well being of the country... Images have to be about political parties or politicians otherwise it is simply not a protest...


Grendel wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:31am:
If only you were really the legend in your own mind.


I am sure there is a name for that kind of debating style. Since you bring it up though, what exactly do you base it on? Is it all of those posts I do where I say "I am right"? Is it all of those posts demanding apology for some perceived slight? Is it the way that I only argue myopically without exploring issues more fully?

In short, you present as a significantly arrogant poster who cannot refrain from demeaning others simply on the basis that they do not agree with you. That would fit the descriptor of "legend in your own mind" one would think. It is therefore ironic that you label me that way.

[quote author=grendel link=1391210694/492#492 date=1395354693]I specified that because Kat said there was no bias or prejudice against Abbott or just one side of politics...  logically then to prove such... images of the other would suffice to back kat up.  ::) ::) ::)


I know what you did and are doing, I do reading and comprehension at a reasonable level. My point is, your dire need to be proven correct, if at least in your own mind, is irrelevant. Further, despite your protestations to the contrary, your continually and consistently articulated position is anti freedom of speech and anti democracy for the very simple fact you would happily see protesters, particularly the recent ones, some of whom said nasty things about your demonstrably preferred leader, shut down and stopped.

What I did was point out, as I have consistently done, that, the actual messages in the protest were many and varied. I also point out and have done elsewhere that it is people arguing this from the position that you do, namely that the ENTIRE protest was a "hate Abbott" demonstration and dismiss it as such are part of the problem. If you were even interested in being a tad honest, you would freely without equivocation acknowledge that the protesters presented a diverse range of opinions. That is not to defend, justify or excuse offensive, inappropriate and appalling messages, which, has never been my part, that is not to say either that there weren't protesters present who simply hate a Liberal Government either, but, at least have the integrity and decency to acknowledge that neither were all of the people present being rude, offensive, misguided, or full of hate.

The more those opposed to the March demonstrate only a narrow view of the actual messages, the more they highlight negative politics as their chosen method of operating. Surely people opposed to the March can be more critical (of their own positions), and, have more integrity than this...

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 21st, 2014 at 11:52am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:14am:

Kat wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:55am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:47am:
Not mindlessly anti–Abbott—all the signs raised issues to do with the simian’s actions.


"F*ck Abbott"  is addressing an issue or action????


Action, I reckon.

And, since that's what he's doing to the country, I can see why it was said.



and that is why you have NO CREDIBILITY.  you are a real maggot.  get a job for once.



Go and fornicate with yourself, and stop trolling my every post with abuse.

You have a hell of a lot of gall to post the abusive rubbish you have on this
topic, then claim that I have no credibility.

That's plain laughable.

Reported.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 21st, 2014 at 11:58am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:20am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:01am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:
since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman?

the left when APE over te Gillard posters which are lame compared to the abbot ones.  What is more disgusting over the posters is the blatant hypocrisy of the left. Not even a mild criticism of thos posters.

And notably when the posters say f*ck DEMOCRACY... not a word.  Surely that should concern even the left, correct?



You know you all sound the same.

From Ray Hadley crying his wife & kids are off limits although he calls wives pathetic grubs when they stand by their husbands.

From Andrew Bolt crying & saying he needed stress leave for being vilified yet he vilifies people from Tim Flannery to abo's he thinks are the wrong shade daily.

To longweekend here sprouting about principles, mate you guys went there & went in hard, your gathering in Canberra had a very aggressive attitude.

But now of course we should condemn those signs(never mind they have been over & over) ignore those freaks who turned up & just S.T.F.U & love Abbott & everything he does.

I might have sympathized with you P.O.V had YOU condemned Abbotts & Jones little soiree in Canberra but no that was democracy in action & those upstanding citizens shouldn't be tarred because of the actions of a few.
And of course the leader of the Opposition or his 20 minders never saw the banner they were standing in front of.

Your a hypocrite & a bully just like those you support.


longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 7:43am:
since when was Alan Jones a Liberal MP or spokesman? 



Again with the denial, jones has tried to be preselected for the liberal party several times, it was at a liberal party fund raiser & Jones is about the only person Tony gives interviews(if you can call them that) other than Hadley.

Jones is a dyed in the wool Liberal & the party loves how he sprouts for them on his show in fact feeds him, but when his caught out it
Allan who?

Own it! >:(



I'll own it when you own the labor union leader calling for the EXECUTION of the Qantas CEO.

do you have any standards at all??  Alan Jones is a compete embarrassment to the liberal party in case you haven't heard.  or those 'pre selection attempts' would have been successful.

and I DID criticise some of the actions in the Canberra rally but naturally you would not remember that.  But you have utterly and completely failed to level one iota of criticism at the anti abbott and anti democracy banners, at the calls for MURDER and more.

'ditch the witch' sounds pretty bloody lame compared to that.

lefties... the absolute home ground or moral-free, principle-challenged hypocrisy.

'F*ck Gillard' banners clearly were missing at anti govt rallies then.



Give it up, that isn't going to happen.

It is WELL DOCUMENTED online that both the organisers AND the Marchers derided
and condemned the guy's statement. As is the FACT that the organisers took great
pains to SPECIFICALLY DISCOURAGE  offensive signs and T-shirts.

Go get facted-up, then come back and make some sensible comments instead of
simply abusing people.  and parroting rhetoric and MSM lies.

You could start HERE:  https://www.facebook.com/marchinmarch

But, of course, we know you won't.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 21st, 2014 at 12:01pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:24am:
Sorry comrades I see that mob rule, intimidation politics crap and it just steels my resolve to oppose it .....and I'm pretty damned sure the same thought resonates throughout the electorate.

The MIM was really just collectivist intimidation in the vein of the Nazis and the Stalinists.  Peas in a pod.



It does.

Hence, the Marches.

Personally, I'd oppose the far right to the last cartridge, if that's what it comes to.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Kat on Mar 21st, 2014 at 12:04pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:47am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:37am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:24am:
Sorry comrades I see that mob rule, intimidation politics crap and it just steels my resolve to oppose it .....and I'm pretty damned sure the same thought resonates throughout the electorate.

The MIM was really just collectivist intimidation in the vein of the Nazis and the Stalinists.  Peas in a pod.

You have no idea at all, do you? You weren’t there.


I wasn't at Nuremberg either George.


That's a shame.

You and your ilk would have fitted in so well.

As defendants.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 12:44pm
Thirty five pages and counting.

The no consequence of the March becomes clearer with every page...



;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 21st, 2014 at 12:58pm

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 12:44pm:
Thirty five pages and counting.

The no consequence of the March becomes clearer with every page...



;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

What, that on this one page, there are 95% leftard posts trying to beef up a macrch for muder as something of consequence.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 21st, 2014 at 12:58pm
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Title: Re: March in March
Post by froggie on Mar 21st, 2014 at 1:10pm

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 12:44pm:
Thirty five pages and counting.

The no consequence of the March becomes clearer with every page...



;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


I have to ask....

If the MiM was such a 'non-event', how come the Murdoch rags spent so much time and effort in putting crap on it?

How has this thread gone to 35 pages, even allowing for deflections?

If it was such a miserable failure, why bother commenting?
Why not just let it fade away?

Maybe some people are more worried about its effects than they care to admit.......

;)

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Phemanderac on Mar 21st, 2014 at 1:11pm

Team Froggie wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 1:10pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 12:44pm:
Thirty five pages and counting.

The no consequence of the March becomes clearer with every page...



;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


I have to ask....

If the MiM was such a 'non-event', how come the Murdoch rags spent so much time and effort in putting crap on it?

How has this thread gone to 35 pages, even allowing for deflections?

If it was such a miserable failure, why bother commenting?
Why not just let it fade away?

Maybe some people are more worried about its effects than they care to admit.......

;)


Perzackerly...

I think the entire "anti March" campaign absolutely reeks of fear, hence the inherent disingenuous nature of the opposes arguments.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 1:12pm

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:29am:

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:03am:

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

Culture Warrior wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
"Ditch the Witch' caused massive leftie outrage.  and yet they come out with "F*ck Tony, F*ck Democracy"  Banners promoting KILLING Abbott and where is the outrage? none of course.  Lefties are nothing if not utterly hypocritical.

If there had been banners say 'F*ck" Gillard' would there have been  anything less that legal threats, violence and arrest over it?  Apart from the rathe vomitous imagery, is that unaacceptable to lefties when attacking their own but ok when attacking Abbott?

Has anyone noticed the complete failre of our resident lefty clowns to disassociate with such behaviour?

of course not.  Integrity and principles are not attributes one associates with lefties.


No one, I repeat no one, does hypocrisy like a "progressive". The section of their brain that deals with self-reflection and analysis for consistency is missing.


Let's talk hypocrisy then.

That is without doubt the lowest most rank comment any person from any walk of life or political position could make.

Make no mistake, I am not defending the inappropriate (to my mind) comments made on SOME placards, t-shirts etc. but it is galling to see the blatantly dishonest, wormy and cowardly misrepresentation of the majority of marchers, yes majority carry on in an absence of objectivity, reason or facts. Whilst I do not agree with bugger Abbott I do recognise that is perhaps the best some might come up with, it is no more or less repulsive than Ditch the Witch, Bob Brown's bitch or any other of your teams tawdry quotes. Suggestions to cause harm or death to Tony Abbott likewise are unpalatable to me personally, however, clearly on a par with putting Julia Gillard in a chaff bag and throwing her in the Tasman. Ironically, it is the same commercial media (broadly speaking) that gave both opinions a platform for dissemination. And you still do not even grasp the threat to our democracy that misguided media represents, you stupidly maintain the ABC is the only problem...

As to Mr Jones, well, he went well and truly beyond the mark of indecency. So, team right, to be fair and honest have set a pretty low bench mark there. To my mind that is not even arguable, however, I am well aware some will just have to try. Truth does indeed hurt though.

Now, tell us all again about the capacity for self reflection and let's be really daring, share with us the benefits in hindsight of genuine and deep self reflection.... If you dare or are capable.


The core reason why "progressives" are highly hypocritical is their preaching of tolerance, equality, and diversity, then in the next breath breaking these very rules they set out for themselves and others. Conservatives do not preach such things. They're honest in this regard. They tell us straight up who they don't like and why. With a "progressive", it's 'tolerance day' one day, then 'hate and castigation day' the next. They need to drop these feelgood slogans and just argue their points. Everyone has enemies and opponents and relies on these enemies and opponents to clarify their position. All arguments are made in contradistinction to other arguments/positions. Stepping outside this framework is an impossibility. My advice to the "progressives" is, as stated, drop the feelgood slogans and just argue the point.

Actually, conservatives demonstrate hypocrisy as well, you are correct though, the do tell us who they do not like, vociferously, except they get all hypocritical when that gets a response they do not like or wish to accept.

You also build up a false framework there, it is possible for people to demonstrably hold two (or more) conflicting opinions at one time. So, whilst I see how you could view the "progressives" as you love to label them, as holding contradictory views, I say that is fairly normal human behaviour. We are a complex beast - well after experiencing this forum I will change that to have the capacity to be complex but obviously some shy away from that.
The feel good slogans as you put them (I love the fact that you seem to be suggesting slogans are a bad idea, after our recent three word slogan election, totally high brow critical thinking right there...) have been pretty basic tenants of philosophical debate about the "human condition" since Plato began thinking...

Of course, even primitives like Plato worked out that we people are a flawed bunch, others like Buddha, for example, pointed out that perfection is what we strive for but never attain. Perfection would be stagnation.

So I see what you are saying, progressives like some lofty ideals, but they are human and fail to demonstrate them, whereas, conservatives just tell us what/who they hate.

Very clear I get it, thanks.


try fewer words and clearer messages.  Hypocrisy is a behaviour of both sides but only one is able to admit it or recognise it.  and BTW I have to my memory NEVER used the term 'progressive'.  So at least try and be accurate.

Title: Re: March in March
Post by Culture Warrior on Mar 21st, 2014 at 1:13pm

Phemanderac wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:29am:


You also build up a false framework there, it is possible for people to demonstrably hold two (or more) conflicting opinions at one time. So, whilst I see how you could view the "progressives" as you love to label them, as holding contradictory views, I say that is fairly normal human behaviour. We are a complex beast


It shows a lack of clarity and examination of one's thoughts.




Title: Re: March in March
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 21st, 2014 at 1:15pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:39am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 9:09am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2014 at 8:31am:
and not the fringies who are an embarrassment to all parties.



Why?

That's what your whole argument against this march is based on, a few signs by the lunatic fringe.



well your outrage at 'ditch the witch' was based on a couple signs at a protest and you and your lot went on and on and on about it for a YEAR.  so yeah... how about some balance???

as u know I criticised such posters. I have little tolerance for disrespect of the PM in such a manner.  But it would appear most other people only oppose rude criticism of 'their' favourite.


My problem was that Tony Abbott & Co stood in front of these signs & encouraged the outrage.

Don't insult my intelligence by trying to run the line he did not know, it's crap & you know it.
There would have had to be close to 30 or 40 party members in that crowd from media advisers/office staff/security, the sign didn't appear as he was talking it was loud & proud as he took the stage.

I believe that you did have a mild swipe at the banners about the same level as mine against these current ones,

lunatic fringe best ignored by everyone.

I don't speak for other people only myself, & if Mike Carlton ever says Tony's parent died of shame in the same week they passed at a Labor fundraising I'll be just as disgusted.
What I won't do is try & excuse it because they are not a "Member" of the party.


well if you actually saw what happened you would see that Abbott DIDNT stand in front of that particular sign but rather that sign moved BEHIND him and he was unaware of it until afterwards.

But once again here we are with you yet again wanking on about a sing which was at worst rude while having xero to say about f*ck abbot Kill Abbott etc signs.