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Its commonly believe that the belief in Dragon developed independent in Europe, India, China and Japan, but then later influenced each other to a certain extent, particularly with the cross-cultural contact of recent centuries.

However what are the chances of cultures unaware of each other developed such common and similar beliefs (the Dragon) with no contact.

Pantheon wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:39am:

I thought the Chinese legends were linked to dinosaur fossils.

Pantheon wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:39am:

Quite high, it's very common to find similarities in human civilizations spread widely through space and time. Usually they are based on some aspect of the natural world, like seeing whales at sea or discovering the remains of unidentifiable animals. Things like eclipses and natural disasters also influence this process. Pretty sure calendars were developed separately too. This isn't a mystery at all to me, it's obvious.

Pantheon wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:39am:

The whole of humanity is one unbroken diaspora, so there are no truly 'isolated' cultures. I'm sure there have been links shown between neolithic and modern words for the same things. I'd have to look into this further for sources, but I'm fairly certain I'm remembering that right.

Winston Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:49am:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:39am:

I thought the Chinese legends were linked to dinosaur fossils.

Britain has had its fair share of dragons, the Lambton Worm being one of the most famous.

Griffins were spotted flying over Brentford in west London, in the London Borough of Hounslow, in 1984. Funnily enough Brentford FC's stadium (which was once shared with the London Broncos rugby league club) has been called Griffin Park since it opened in 1904.

Game of thrones has good dragons.
The things on "Lord of the Rings" were ideal

They have to make the right screeching noise.

Cofgod wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 2:32pm:

All over Britain as evidenced by the number of places which incorporate 'Orm' and 'Worm' into their name and 'myths'

The writer, F.W. Holiday has devoted at least two books to the subject and they're fascinating, including as they do contemporary accounts of quite numerous 'water horses' in Irish lakes

Haliday's book, ' The Dragon and the Disc', includes a condensed listing of the innumerable British references to dragon-type entities within place-names, statues, coats of arms, gargoyles, illustrations, etc.. The ancients of Britain even incorporated and modified the natural landscape in order to create representations of dragons (as did the Chinese)

It's claimed by some that the dragon myths arose from veneration and fear of natural earth energies. Numerous standing stones, for example, bear engraved zig-zag motifs. Others however, such as those in Ireland who claim sightings of flesh and blood dragon-type creatures, are in no doubt they're real and exist within the lakes in our dimension

Winston Smith wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 2:03am:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:39am:

I'm sure you're right there. You just have to look at commonalities in language.

Do you know where the number "ten" came from? Originally it represented the fingers on two hands, and literally meant "two hands". from Proto-Germanic *te-khan (cf. Old Saxon tehan)

As far as dragons are concerned, in a way, they represent the instinctive fear of the unknown. They are serpent-like, and the name for dragon means serpent in many languages. They also have elements of big cats, crocodiles, and represent a mixture of elements that ancient man had an instinctive fear of.

"Here there be dragons", the ancient cartographers wrote on unexplored parts of the map.

I'm a "fire dragon"........................................... ;) ;)

http://www.famousbirthdays.com/zodiac/1976.html

Pantheon wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 1:39am:

Probably the same odds as there being pyramids in Egypt, India, China and N and S America, I would say....

:)

A lot of theories regarding the extra-terrestrials stems from these myths. Dragons, serpent-gods, etc.

David Icke says that a malevolent reptilian race has had its hand in guiding humanity to the state that it is today, from the beginning of human life, and even goes on to say that they tampered with our DNA.

PZ547 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

Cofgod wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 2:32pm:

And don't forget that the Welsh flag features a red dragon ("Y Ddraig Goch" - "The Red Dragon") and the white dragon was a symbol of the Anglo-Saxons.

Basically, the red dragon was the symbol of the ancient Britons and the white dragon was the symbol of the Anglo-Saxons.

Welsh flag - "Y Ddraig Goch" ("The Red Dragon")

Anglo-Saxon white dragon or wyrm

The ancient Anglo-Saxon kingdom of Wessex (what is now western and south western England) was also symbolised by a dragon, wyrm or wyvern.

Both Henry of Huntingdon and Matthew of Westminster talk of a golden dragon being raised at the Battle of Burford in AD 752 by the West Saxons (Wessex). The Bayeux Tapestry depicts a fallen golden dragon, as well as a red/golden/white dragon at the death of King Harold II, who was previously Earl of Wessex, at the Battle of Hastings in 1066. However, dragon standards were in fairly wide use in Europe at the time, being derived from the ensign of the Roman cohort, and there is no evidence that it identified Wessex.

A panel of 18th century stained glass at Exeter Cathedral indicates that an association with an image of a dragon in south west Britain pre-dated the Victorians. Nevertheless, the association with Wessex was only popularised in the 19th century, most notably through the writings of E A Freeman. By the time of the grant of armorial bearings by the College of Arms to Somerset County Council in 1911, a (red) dragon had become the accepted heraldic emblem of the former kingdom. This precedent was followed in 1937 when Wiltshire County Council was granted arms. Two gold Wessex dragons were later granted as supporters to the arms of Dorset County Council in 1950.

In the British Army the wyvern has been used to represent Wessex: The 43rd (Wessex) Infantry Division adopted a formation sign consisting of a gold wyvern on a black background, and both the Wessex Brigade and Wessex Regiments used a cap badge featuring the heraldic beast.

When Sophie, Countess of Wessex was granted arms, the sinister supporter assigned was a blue wyvern, described by the College of Arms as "an heraldic beast which has long been associated with Wessex".

Golden dragon: A modern version of the Wessex flag

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