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Title: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by imcrookonit on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:00am
One Nation co-founder suing Tony Abbott :)
Date April 16, 2013 Tony Abbott: Accused of acting unlawfully. A lawsuit by One Nation Party co-founder David Ettridge against federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott will head to court next month. :) Mr Ettridge is suing federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott for damages of more than $1.5 million. He has accused Mr Abbott of acting unlawfully in 1998 by assisting and encouraging litigation against One Nation in the Queensland courts. Mr Ettridge alleges the court action was false and malicious and the resulting damage affected him greatly. He also accuses Mr Abbott of attempting to pervert the course of justice by providing lawyers "to propel those false claims through the courts". Mr Ettridge's lawyers served legal papers on Mr Abbott for damages on the weekend. :) A spokesman for Mr Abbott said the papers had been received, but declined to comment further. A directions hearing is set for the Brisbane Supreme Court on May 9 and Mr Abbott has received a summons to attend. "Before Tony Abbott can become prime minister of Australia he needs to be judged on his suitability to hold the highest office in Australia," Mr Ettridge said in a statement. :) "For his role in this disgraceful period of Australian political history, Tony Abbott has never been brought to account." Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/one-nation-cofounder-suing-tony-abbott-20130416-2hytq.html#ixzz2Qf6O2yQ2 |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Armchair_Politician on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:04am
Gillard & Swan accused of lying to Australian people...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xOXhD6euwo |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Dnarever on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:05am
Mr Ettridge alleges the court action was false and malicious and the resulting damage affected him greatly.
He also accuses Mr Abbott of attempting to pervert the course of justice by providing lawyers "to propel those false claims through the courts". Looks about right. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Dnarever on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:18am
Tony clearly stepped over the line - I can't believe that he got away with it for this long.
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Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by imcrookonit on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:21am
"For his role in this disgraceful period of Australian political history, Tony Abbott has never been brought to account." :(
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Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:21am
One hopes howard goes down too since it was on his instruction
SOB |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:33am
Dnarever
No doubt Abbott did a hatchet job on One nation, but Abbott is not responsible for the distribution of justice. That is the implication, lawyers manipulate the law on a daily basis, what is dfferent about what Abbott might of done ? I have read the various articles on this and I understand they may be hiding their legal strategy or a "Smoking Gun" evidence ..... I can not see it succeeding based on what I have read about it. Its interesting that the timing is during an election year so I think its a dud and guy is rattling a tin for legal help so I can't see it going very far. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Dnarever on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:42am RightSadFred wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:33am:
No doubt Abbott did a hatchet job on One nation, I think that is the point, Abbott financed Legal action solely for political gain, people went to prison and their careers were destroyed by Mr Abbotts malicious game. You can't do that, I would think there is a reasonable chance that he will either settle or if not end up on the wrong end of a decision. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Armchair_Politician on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:43am Dnarever wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:42am:
In the end, this guys case was decided in court, not by Abbott. This court case against Abbott is a waste of time. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Dnarever on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:17am Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:43am:
It was later found that the case had been vexatious - the charges were about damaging one nation and nothing to do with any illegality. People were significantly damaged and there looks to be a significant case for compensation, given that it was Abbott on behalf of the Liberal party who had financed the sting I would think it reasonable to target Abbott. The biggest hurdle in my view is probably the time that has past. "There will be no oxygen price under a government I lead". Would that impact you??? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Peter Freedman on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:40am
There is no doubt Abbott's role in this entire business was dirty and disgraceful.
His behaviour raises issues about his character and suitability to lead the nation. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:42am
The righties will defend anything Abbott does ... no matter how low he goes or how dirty he gets, in their opinion it's justified .
I say sue him for all his worth, and then jail him. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by skippy. on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:49am John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:42am:
Yes, phony in prison green Lycra. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by progressiveslol on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:51am John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:42am:
To be fair, likewise with gillard as we have seen, but it remains to be seen for the so called righties. Left just hope the righties dont follow the lefts lead. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Dnarever on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:52am
If you line Abbott up with Thomson and Slipper you would have the Three
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Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:54am progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:51am:
Nothing alike ... you haven't been able to show one iota of evidence despite always proclaiming to 'next week I'll show the evidence' for well over 6 months. The evidence against Tony is much more convincing. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Makka on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:01am Quote:
You can now be taken to court for allegedly assisting and encouraging litigation I was not even aware this was illegal I wonder what law he broke Sounds like the same laws that Pyne and Brough was accused to have broken during the Slipper case Sounds like Tit 4 Tat |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by progressiveslol on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:02am John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:54am:
gillard is being investigated because of the evidence, not because of the lack of it. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Peter Freedman on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:05am
We are seeing the usual suspects' normal tactic. When on the defensive, ignore the topic and attack Gillard.
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Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:05am
Dnarever
"No doubt Abbott did a hatchet job on One nation, I think that is the point, Abbott financed Legal action solely for political gain, people went to prison and their careers were destroyed by Mr Abbotts malicious game. You can't do that, I would think there is a reasonable chance that he will either settle or if not end up on the wrong end of a decision." And what is the act that was illegal ? You should change your name to chicken little. The Unions spent 28 Million attacking the Libs ..... are you going to take them to task on that ? As far as I am concerned that looked perfectly legal to me and I don't have an issue with it. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by iceyone on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:06am
When's Abbott stepping down?
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Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by cods on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:06am
wasnt she found guilty...
Home > National News > Article Abbott set up slush fund to ruin Hanson By Mike Seccombe August 26, 2003 Print this article Email to a friend One of the Howard Government's most senior ministers last night revealed he raised nearly $100,000 to lay the groundwork for Pauline Hanson's prosecution for electoral fraud. The Minister for Workplace Relations, Tony Abbott, admitted setting up a trust, Australians for Honest Politics, from donations to pay for legal actions against Hanson and her party, One Nation. He had also organised a separate "donor" to support a One Nation dissident, Terry Sharples, in seeking an injunction to block One Nation from receiving public electoral funds. Mr Abbott said the money was promised to cover Mr Sharples if the case failed and costs were awarded against him. The minister organised a team of lawyers who would represent Mr Sharples without charge, and then a second team after Mr Sharples sacked the first. Mr Abbott also acknowledged that he had at one time instructed his lawyers to offer Mr Sharples $10,000 of his own money if he would stop pursuing him for money to cover his huge court costs. He said he had set up Australians for Honest Politics in 1998 because he believed One Nation was fraudulently registered. Last week, Hanson and her fellow One Nation founder, David Ettridge, were jailed after the party received nearly $500,000 in electoral funding to which it was not entitled because it had been falsely registered. The Prime Minister, John Howard, said the sentence was excessive, but Mr Abbott denied that Mr Howard or anyone else in the Government had been involved in the attempt to fund actions against One Nation. "There was myself and two other trustees. We raised . . . it may not have been $100,000 but it was certainly close to $100,000 and the job of Australians For Honest Politics was to fund court cases against One Nation." Mr Abbott did not say who contributed. He said most of the money had been spent trying to get another One Nation defector, Hanson's former private secretary Barbara Hazelton, to take legal action to stop the payment of $470,000 in public election funding, following the failure of similar action by Mr Sharples. Ms Hazelton had decided not to go ahead, Mr Abbott said. "By that stage we'd spent a lot of money and the balance . . . was distributed back to the donors in proportion to their original contribution." He said his $10,000 offer to Mr Sharples was made in light of a disputed agreement between them that Mr Sharples would be covered by an open-ended indemnity for the costs of action against Hanson and One Nation. Mr Abbott had given, in writing, "my personal guarantee to you that you will not be further out of pocket as a result of this action". The minister said he believed that promise covered only the $10,000 guarantee he had arranged, but Mr Sharples thought it applied to any legal action. "Yes, I did make a commitment to Sharples and yes the commitment was to back him to the tune of $10,000," he said last night, "that being the maximum downside that we could have expected." But after Mr Sharples went on with other action, incurring big bills, and the original guarantor dropped out, Mr Abbott was facing possible personal liability. "He claims that the letter that I gave to him at the time . . . constituted an open-ended indemnity to support any legal action Sharples wanted to implement anywhere involving One Nation." So Mr Abbott offered the $10,000 to call it quits. It was not accepted, and he had personally paid Mr Sharples nothing, although he had been prepared to carry the cost. "It couldn't come from Australians for Honest Politics because it had no money left in it. I mean, if Sharples had accepted that arrangement I suppose it would've come from me." Mr Sharples could not be contacted yesterday. yes it was overturned.... but what if it hadnt been????? what if they had just been allowed to get away with half a million because no one gave a sot. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by cods on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:08am
is there no time limit on these sort of cases????
what was it now 15 years? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Peter Freedman on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:09am
Whether legal or not, Abbott's activity was vicious and immoral. He went way too far and showed a lack of judgement.
Is such a man a suitable PM? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:13am
Peter Freedman
So when the unions spend 28 Million attacking Howard that was moral ? The stench of hypocrisy is strong in you. Every political party plays these games, its just more a question to what extent. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by progressiveslol on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:15am Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:05am:
Another "to be fair" Johnny come lately attacked 'righties' and I am centre right, so gave him a counter, that the righties have not done what the left have done. So righties are in the clear thus far, the left are all over his accusation of the right. Got it mr usual suspect of ignoring all things bad from left. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by FriYAY on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:16am
No doubt all those squealing about this were staunch Hanson supporters.
Selective retardation..... ::) |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by cods on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:22am Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:09am:
so you dont think getting $500.000 of tax payers money illegally is immoral?? in fact its good on ya.... he says he thought they received the money fraudulently???? OK he was subsequently found to be wrong.. whats IMMORAL about that? as I said if he was right but did nothing about it... would that be OK with you? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by cods on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:24am FriYAY wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:16am:
the have selectively forgotten what they all said about her and still do.... isnt she the wicked witch from the east? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by cods on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:26am RightSadFred wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:13am:
hear hear hear hear.........how soon they forget.its the same with One Nation... ????? now they support them.. LOL |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by skippy. on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:29am
I see the immoral conga line are loyally defending their immoral woman bashing leader.
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Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by dsmithy70 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:34am Quote:
Did they get Howard thrown in goal? Were they personally attacking Howard or campaigning against a policy? Did they LIE to the AEC? Only you freaks could come up with that as a comparison. I don't know whether your stupid or just deceitful :( |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by john_g on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:34am John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:42am:
I agree, the same is true with lefties and the AWU, though. Gillard and Abbott are both dodgy, IMO. Both parties were scared of One Nation and Pauline Hanson, as they/she were taking votes from both sides, and so the two ganged up with each other to bring her down. Abbott went a step further and did this. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by imcrookonit on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:40am
Have a nice day Mr David Ettridge. :)
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Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Makka on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:47am
As I said - this is Tit 4 tat
The Australian Electoral Commission investigated 2 "Slush Funds" (1) Alleged LIB entity - Australians for Honest Politics (2) Alleged ALP entity - Fair Go Alliance Both have been cleared by the AEC |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Makka on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:48am skippy. wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:29am:
52% of women voters disagree with you - they love Abbott |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:49am progressiveslol wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:02am:
If that is the case then show the evidence ... ( I'll wait another 6 months if you like but I'm pretty sure it won't change anything) |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:53am FriYAY wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:16am:
The fact that I may not like Hanson doesn't mean I want too see her wrongly jailed .... there are lots of people I don't particularly agree with, shall we jail them all? In your case the retardation isn't selective but rather permanent |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:54am
cods
What every one is forgetting is the greens and the ALP at the time where blasting them with moral out rage ...... so Abbott collected some money and when after them ? As if the ALP did not do the same ....... Abbott got in first and did a job on them. It will be an interesting day that slush funds become illegal, how would the unions operate under the radar with out slush funds to help their employees buy houses and set up dance studios for them selves using the members money. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:56am Makka wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:48am:
there are many societies where the women will say there husbands are sometimes justified in hitting them if they do something wrong ... that still doesn't make it right. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by skippy. on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:57am Makka wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:48am:
Wow, so the other 48%, nearly half the female population, think he's a women bashing bastard. I'm not surprised. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:04am
John Smith
They were convicted by a justice system not by Abbott, I would like to see what they think the case is against Abbott other than pointless moral outrage ? Many people get convicted of things that later get over turned, I recall at the time they had issues around how they administered their party structure which did look dodgy ........ I felt it was more ineptitude and maybe they should have just been fined, but the justice system thought otherwise. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:06am John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:56am:
And you think that applies to 52% of Australian women ? Do you think Abbott is a wife beater ? Or are you just another chicken little ? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by FriYAY on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:10am John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:53am:
Bollocks Joan. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by dsmithy70 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:19am RightSadFred wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:06am:
No I don't. In fact I think its the Liberal Party that keeps this women thing going. Its a great distraction & keeps the media away from questions of policy. Its a straw man, unfortunately most are falling for it >:( >:( |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:27am RightSadFred wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:06am:
Have you seen his wife? I reckon she'd beat him up not the other way around. No I don't think he's a wife beater, but I do think he has anger management issues. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:27am
dsmithy70
So Gillard had nothing to do with it ? How long does it take to polish Gillards imaginary halo ? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:28am FriYAY wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:10am:
what was? the jailing or the retardation? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by john_g on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:29am Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:19am:
Abbott's not popular, but he has one huge advantage - he's not Gillard. Never have I seen a more hated figure in politics in all my life, and she deserves it, too. As the old saying goes lay down with dogs and wake up with fleas. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:29am
John Smith
So you are chicken little ? You seem to enjoy personal attacks, no wonder you think a lot of Gillard. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by FriYAY on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:30am John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:28am:
All you care about is the chance to trash Abbott. Gets you all wet in the knickers, hey? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:32am
john_g
This is a point lost on these rabid ALP supporters If the Libs had a better leader what would the ALP primary be ???? sub 20% ? If such a divisive guy like Abbott can attract 49% of the population to his party and keep the ALP around 30% or lower ....... I have no idea why they think a Lib leadership change would be a good idea for the ALP. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:32am FriYAY wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:30am:
wrong, the chance to trash Abbott is just an added benefit .... why are you so interested in my knickers? you want to see my skid marks? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by dsmithy70 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:36am RightSadFred wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:27am:
I never said that & frankly her speech is consistently taken out of context. "Gillard calls Abbott a Misogynist." Quote:
Can you see it?? No of course you cant because then this whole sexist bullsh!t falls apart. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by FriYAY on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:36am John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:32am:
I suggest you learn how to wipe your arse properly. :-[ :-[ |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:37am FriYAY wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:36am:
I suggest you learn how to wipe your arse properly. :-[ :-[/quote] why the interest in my arse? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:46am
dsmithy70
Its the ALP that seems to attack people personally on topics not related to governing, yes the libs attack the ALP on their ideology and incompetence. This goes all the way back to Latham, before that that they were not that bad. Keating did attack people in a humorous way but even he did not play gutter politics of the like we see from the ALP. The whole misogyny thing was a phoney war that Gillard created and is still carrying on with. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by FriYAY on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:10am John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:37am:
bugger some of you people are hard to deal with. You brought up your smelly skid marked arse Joan not me. Now go and have a wash you filthy thing, ewwwww. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:13am FriYAY wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:10am:
only after you bought up my knickers .... don't tell me now you want to wash my ar$e? .... sorry , not going to happen. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by FriYAY on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:19am John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:13am:
Nothing selective about your retardation, i stand corrected, you're full blown. ::) |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Karnal on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:20am
How can you be sued for the results of a court action? If Abbott's litigation was ruled on by a court, surely the court is to blame - not Abbott.
I'm suprised this case made it to a listing, but here's the rub: ''Before Tony Abbott can become prime minister of Australia he needs to be judged on his suitability to hold the highest office in Australia,'' Mr Ettridge said in a statement. The motives for the case are purely political. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:20am FriYAY wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:19am:
come on .... give us a kiss!!!!! :-* |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Alinta on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:30am
"How can you be sued for the results of a court action?"
An alternative to seeking ex gratia compensation for wrongful conviction........ |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Karnal on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:36am Alinta wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:30am:
Sure, but to seek that, you'd need to overturn the conviction first - through the higher courts. Ettridge is suing for the impact of the court's ruling. Isn't a court ruling meant to have an impact? If I remember rightly, the court found the One Nation Party was set up as a private company, not a party, and this breached the Electoral Act. How can you sue Abbott for that? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Makka on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:39am John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:56am:
Good thing it's not Australia as a society that says it's right Facts still remain Abbott is more popular with women despite what skip says So IF he's a women basher then why is he so popular |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Alinta on Apr 17th, 2013 at 12:02pm Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:36am:
Yep, it was overturned in the Qld Court of Appeal..........from memory, I think it was Beattie who commented that there'd be no ex gratia payment made because of certain comments made by the Appeal Court relating to the original conviction. He has recourse to bring a civil suit against Abbott....and he has done this ..whether or not he will succeed in his damages claim? I do not think so. If this line of discussion |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by thelastnail on Apr 17th, 2013 at 12:14pm wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:00am:
It's about bloody time too !! I was wondering when he was going to get his day in court for this debacle !! |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Karnal on Apr 17th, 2013 at 12:17pm Alinta wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 12:02pm:
Fair enough then. If it was overturned, no problem. Pauline should be entitled to a claim as well. Did Ettridge do any jail time? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by thelastnail on Apr 17th, 2013 at 12:20pm Makka wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:39am:
he's a c.nt for what he did to Pauline Hanson by sending her to jail. He may as well beat her up :( http://www.news.com.au/national-news/one-nation-co-founder-suing-tony-abbott-for-15m/story-fncynjr2-1226622032265 Quote:
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Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Alinta on Apr 17th, 2013 at 12:37pm Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 12:17pm:
Both did 11 weeks... |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Doctor Jolly on Apr 17th, 2013 at 1:27pm Tony Abbott must stand down pending this investigation. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Dnarever on Apr 17th, 2013 at 2:30pm RightSadFred wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:32am:
Abbotts attack dog style works politically the problem and risk is that it can only produce a Tony Abbott PM, its a lose lose situation for Australia. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by woody2013 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 2:35pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 1:27pm:
What investigation ? ;) ;) |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by dsmithy70 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 2:35pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 1:27pm:
Very Good point Dr Why hasn't Albo called a presser to raise this very point? They were happy to call for everyone else to stand aside so now would be a good time to show its was a PRINCIPAL rather than a CYNICAL POLITICAL OPPORTUNITY. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by woody2013 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 2:37pm woody2014 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 2:35pm:
;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by dsmithy70 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 2:38pm woody2014 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 2:35pm:
There doesn't need to be one, all that is required is for the member to have to front court in the capacity of defendant. He must be guilty otherwise he wouldn't be before a judge, isn't that how the conservative mind works? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Alinta on Apr 17th, 2013 at 3:13pm woody2014 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 2:37pm:
Crime and Misconduct Commission report in Jan 2004 followed investigation....done and dusted.... |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Makka on Apr 17th, 2013 at 3:20pm Makka wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:47am:
. Bump In order for this to succeed - the AEC had to make adverse finds They did not |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by froggie on Apr 17th, 2013 at 3:23pm Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:05am:
Or bring up 'The Boats'. ;) |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by longweekend58 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 4:28pm Dnarever wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:05am:
oh poor diddums... the court case 'hurt'??? like they dont to anyone else? court is NEVER fun or cheap and reputations are destroyed all the time and that is the innocent! nothing to see hear. Just etteridge suffering from delusions that anyone cares. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Doctor Jolly on Apr 17th, 2013 at 4:40pm
BRONWYN BISHOP, LIBERAL MP, AUGUST 26, 2003: The decision of the Qld Government to prosecute Pauline Hanson under the crimes act and put her into jail and for three years makes her a political prisoner.
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Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by cods on Apr 17th, 2013 at 5:04pm
at least Pauline got on with her life.. I see she running again.. good on her..
the women picks up her things and moves on.. the man bleeds all over the place for 15 years.. then thinks its time he made a crust.. funny how he has come out of the woodwork all of a sudden?????????? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by philperth2010 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 5:42pm
I see no problem with a member of the public seeking justice if they think they have been wronged.....Abbott is not above the law and needs to explain his actions in regard to funding vexatious litigation against a political opponent.....Why Tony Abbott decided to raise funds to prosecute One Nation is obvious.....One Nation was taking votes from the Liberal Party!!!
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Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 17th, 2013 at 5:48pm
Dnarever
Dnarever wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 2:30pm:
And Gillard is such a winner ? Your ignorance is pretty astounding, Abbott has re-invented himself as a small target politician, its the ALP that have tried and failed to attack him. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 17th, 2013 at 5:53pm
philperth2010
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 5:42pm:
Absolute rubbish, its up to Etteriidge to prove Abbott broke the law. FYI your innocent until proven guilty, is that lost on you ? Abbott can raise funds to do anything that is legal, funding a case against a political opponent is perfectly legal regardless of motives. One nation was taking votes from the Libs/Nats and the ALP. You can hate Abbott as much as you like, but try to stick to reality. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 5:59pm longweekend58 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 4:28pm:
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Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by longweekend58 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:05pm Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:09am:
and you post picks out the most salient point. what he did was not illegal. You can agree or disagree with it all you like but illegal it was not. It wasnt abbott who took her to court. that was the AEC. it wasnt abbott who found her guilty and sent her to jail. that was the courts. It was a disgraceful prosecution but it was the AEC and courts who are to blame for that. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by philperth2010 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:06pm RightSadFred wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 5:53pm:
WTF are you talking about......Of course any member of the public can seek justice if they think they have been wronged....Abbott has a called for every other politician who has had allegations made against them to explain themselves and in some cases even step down.....Stick your innocent until proven guilty where it fits you hypocrite!!! ::) ::) ::) Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC), The Bacchae, circa 407 B.C. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by longweekend58 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:12pm philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 5:42pm:
since when is it illegal to raise money to fund legal action? is that not how the ALp and unions operate on a daily basis as do many companies and individuals? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by longweekend58 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:15pm John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 5:59pm:
garbage. you are suggesting that people are no longer permitted to take steps to launch legal action against another. that would pretty much end the entire civil side of law and any move by anyone to make a criminal complaint funded by a legal team for which you raised money from others. yeah... very good idea. let's dismantle the court system |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by longweekend58 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:16pm philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:06pm:
he isnt seeking justice. he is seeking limelight. What's the bet that Abbotts lawyers will argue for summary judgement and dismissal in the first 10 minutes and succeed. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Alinta on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:22pm philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 5:42pm:
While Ettridge has the right to pursue civil litigation, I question his wisdom.......following investigation, the Crime and Misconduct Commission report found Abbott had done nothing illegal or improper. Still can't for the life of me understand why Ettridge chose to represent himself at trial. Yes, he has the right to do so, but a wise move?????? in the Supreme Court????? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by adelcrow on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:22pm
Its about time Abbott was bought to account for his bad habit of having political rivals banged up in prison like some tin pot dictator
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Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by longweekend58 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:30pm Alinta wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:22pm:
he is representing himself???? oh that is even better. it will take 5 minutes for the suit to be dismissed and I doubt abbott will even attend the directions hearing |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:31pm
philperth2010
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:06pm:
One more time....... Ettridge is claiming Abbot broke the law ..... he has to prove this. You may hate Abbott and think he broke some yet to be defined moral code which in reality does not exist, that is your problem. Try separating fact from fiction. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by philperth2010 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:32pm longweekend58 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:16pm:
Neither of them has painted themselves in glory over there petty actions.....However as someone went to jail and was found to be innocent is pretty poor form.....Abbott is involved whether you like to admit it or not and he will be asked about his actions.....Abbott has called for everyone else to explain themselves so I fail to see why he would not lead by example.....agreed??? :-? :-? :-? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Alinta on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:37pm longweekend58 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:30pm:
He represented himself at the trial where he and Hanson were convicted........ He surely would have learned something from that about the wisdom of engaging Counsel for his civil suit. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by philperth2010 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:39pm RightSadFred wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:31pm:
What you fail to grasp is that I have not claimed Abbott was guilty of anything.....I have advocated the right for every citizen to seek justice if they think they have been wronged.....How about you try to comprehend before making a complete idiot of yourself.....Abbott set himself up for a fall when he called for everyone else to explain themselves or step down over allegations so he defined his own moral code.....I fail to see any substance to your rant mate......Of course Abbott will have to explain himself when he faces court.....Do you think he should not have to??? :-? :-? :-? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by longweekend58 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:45pm philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:32pm:
the AEC launched the prosecution and was heavy-handed. however, comments by teh judge at the time they were set free indicated that there was a good amount of incompetence and inadequacy in the management and finances of One Nation. he found the conviction 'unsafe', not unproven. that is why there was no compensation paid for wrongful conviction. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by froggie on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:53pm RightSadFred wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 5:53pm:
I presume this also applies to Peter Slipper and Craig Thompson..... ;) |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Dnarever on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:54pm longweekend58 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
He raised the money to advantage the Liberal party politically by financing a vexatious case against One Nation representatives. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by longweekend58 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:17pm Dnarever wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:54pm:
you cant 'finance' a criminal prosecution. try again, |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Peter Freedman on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:24pm cods wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 5:04pm:
I detest her politics, but admire her courage. Could never vote for her but would rather shake her hand than either Gillard or Abbott. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by longweekend58 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:31pm Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:24pm:
there is a type of person worse than a politician and that is a STUPID person. Hanson is a very stupid, naive and silly person. She has no business in parliament. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by adelcrow on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:35pm
We should encourage our politicians to set up secret funds to have their rivals banged up in prison on false charges and then steal their policies.
It brings us closer to tin pot dictatorships and the brave new world of Tony Abbott ;D |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by longweekend58 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:40pm adelcrow wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:35pm:
and speaking of stupid people, in comes adelcrow. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:46pm longweekend58 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:31pm:
so that makes it OK to jail her ??? Why don't we jail all the stupid people? Based on some of your previous posts you'd be locked up before you could even log off if they did that. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Dnarever on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:18pm longweekend58 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:17pm:
Nobody said thay did but the end result of Abbotts action were that Hanson and Edridge ended up in prison. Quote:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/one-nation-co-founder-suing-tony-abbott-for-15m/story-e6frg6n6-1226622032265 |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by longweekend58 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:24pm John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:46pm:
I'm, on record as opposing her imprisonment. That does not change the fact that she is STUPID. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by longweekend58 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:25pm Dnarever wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:18pm:
not even close. they went to prison after the AEC laid criminal charges and a judge found them guilty. Thats sorta how criminal justice operates in this country. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by dsmithy70 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:07pm philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 6:39pm:
And yet all I can hear is "I cannot recall" Of course the length of time passed has to be taken into account...........oh hang on, don't memebrs of the HOR have to recall in detail every conversation with every aquiantence they come in contact with going back at least 25 years? I'm sure this standard is expected of at least one member ;) |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Luke Fowler on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:16pm FriYAY wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:16am:
You see the thing about the rule of law is that it should apply to everyone equally, whether you love them or hate them. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by cods on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:32pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:07pm:
NO all they have to do is say they were young and naive...simple really :P :P I mean if you believe that then you willbelieve anything wont your? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by cods on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:35pm Luke Fowler wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:16pm:
the law in fact does...its the justice that is manipulated. as for impartiality dont expect to find that on here. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Dnarever on Apr 18th, 2013 at 1:46am cods wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:32pm:
Tony is the guy insisting that everyone stand down, do you think that he should apply his own standards to himself? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 18th, 2013 at 4:37am longweekend58 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:24pm:
You and john both think that anyone that disagrees with you is stupid. If she was so stupid why did Howard steal her ideas? SOB |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 18th, 2013 at 6:27am
froggie
The ALP can and have funded Craig Thomsons legal defence, other than being a very very dumb idea, its legal as long as its all above board. No doubt there may have been some unofficial support for him that most certainly would fall in the grey area as he is an MP and needs to declare such. Anyone who wants to provide legal support to a well known grub like slipper is even far more moronic, the guy has no role in public life, in fact I would not trust him with anything. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by longweekend58 on Apr 18th, 2013 at 9:02am Dnarever wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 1:46am:
so are you telling me that all anyone needs to do to bring down a PM etc is to launch a civil suit with no credibility and they have to stand down? |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by longweekend58 on Apr 18th, 2013 at 9:02am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 4:37am:
tell me one idea of hers that he 'stole'. its a convenient statement. pity it is bogus. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by froggie on Apr 18th, 2013 at 8:07pm RightSadFred wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 6:27am:
Did I mention funding?? To bring you back up to speed this is what I was referring to. I even highlighted it...... "FYI your innocent until proven guilty, is that lost on you ?" (RightSadFred) Now go back and read my question.... :) |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by skippy. on Apr 18th, 2013 at 8:14pm longweekend58 wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 9:02am:
Longlyingfool and the conga line are very confused. Phony tony is the one that ran around demanding people stand down if the possibility of charges may happen, not Gillard, Slipper or Thomson. You lot just prove what a deceitful piece of sh it he is by defending his hypocrisy. If the cock had not demanded it of others no one would be asking it of him. So far Gillard has not lowered her standards to that of Abbott and the conga line by demanding he stands down, lets hope she doesn't. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by RightSadFred on Apr 18th, 2013 at 8:22pm
froggie
These people have nothing to do with what is going on with Abbott. Of course these guys are also innocent until proven otherwise are you that thick ? Your lack of knowledge of the law is astoundingly primitive if you think union fraud or commonwealth fraud has anything to do with what Ettridge is claiming, then I guess you also don't know what a strawman is, nor do you understand relevance. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by froggie on Apr 18th, 2013 at 8:35pm RightSadFred wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 8:22pm:
* Didn't say they did. ** You were so quick to jump to Abbott's defence I just thought I'd ask if YOU thought the same rules applied. *** Show me where I claimed Ettridge's case and Thompson's case had anything to do with each other??? :) |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Dnarever on Apr 18th, 2013 at 9:07pm longweekend58 wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 9:02am:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Hanson Quote:
When he seen how popular policy against minority eithnic groups were we got the Tampa, children overboard and an off shore solution. |
Title: Re: Tony Abbott Accused Of Acting Unlawfully. Post by Dnarever on Apr 18th, 2013 at 9:09pm longweekend58 wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 9:02am:
Nobody really believes this , it is just that this is the position that your idiot has set himself up for and the goose wants to be PM. |
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