Today's Newspoll gives the nation's view on the ALP and its interminable leadership crisis and it is a massive thumbs down.

In a result which would eclipse Gough Whitlam's massive defeat in 1975, Julia Gillard is taking her fractured and demoralised party to an annihilation that would see 30 of Labors 72 seats go to the popular Coalition. It is a maxim in politics that 'disunity is death' but even labor strategists are shocked by the severity of the hit they have taken. The Coalition have reached 50% of the primary vote while Labor has plunged four points to just 30% and a two-party preferred figure of 58/42. But what Labor fears even more is that the worst is yet to come.

The labor vote is on a solid trajectory down hill and the indications are that nobody is listening to Gillard or indeed, anyone else from labor. Kevin Rudd has shown himself to be a coward and consequently, voters who had a hope that he would rise and 'save' Labor have had their hopes dashed. Gillards actions in sacking and forcing pro-Rudd front benchers out just underlines her divisive rule. Suddenly, there is not just one Rudd on the back bench sniping and leaking information. There are ten of them. And to underline all that misery comes the news that Tonny Abbott is preferred Prime Minister by his biggest margin yet.

If there was ever any hope of a miracle win, it evaporated with this poll. A PM with the strategic and oratorical skills of a Paul Keating couldnt save this turkey. Gillard's political strategy skills are appalling and apart from when she is embarrassing herself by playing the gender card, her oratorical skills match Kath and Kim and even with the accent.

But the ALP are stuck with her now. There is literally no one else left to take on the job and possibly salvage some warm bodies from the wreckage. Like any one of a hundred dictators before her, she has 'executed' her opponents.

By Sept 14 we could be looking at a 40+ seat loss and an ALP doomed to the opposition benches for a decade or more.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/election/a/-/article/16443287/labors-lousy-week-continues-with-newspoll/

The Newspoll, taken over the weekend and published in The Australian on Tuesday, shows Labor's primary vote has crashed five points to a disastrous 30 per cent while the coalition has jumped six points to 50 per cent.

The Australian says that after taking into account preference flows, the government's support is eight percentage points below its level at the 2010 election - at 42 per cent - compared to the coalition's 12-month high of 58 per cent - a six-point rise.

If that sort of swing was repeated at the election 30 Labor MPs, including at least five ministers, would lose their seats.

In the preferred prime minister stakes, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is streets ahead, 43 per cent (up five points) to 35 per cent (down seven) - the second time in three Newspoll surveys since February that he has been in front.

Labor just have this inate abillity to screw everything they try to do up, maybe its because the ppl in labor have little to no real world work experience and try and implement ideologies.

Look at the NBN, it will blow out to over 100B, I doubt it will ever be completed?

Labor are just incompetant

It is going to be a slaughtering of biblical proportions.
I am going to frame the picture of Swan's face when that pr*ck loses his seat.

You treat the people with contempt at your own peril.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

It is going to be a slaughtering of biblical proportions. I am going to frame the picture of Swan's face when that pr*ck loses his seat. You treat the people with contempt at your own peril.

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

It is going to be a slaughtering of biblical proportions. I am going to frame the picture of Swan's face when that pr*ck loses his seat. You treat the people with contempt at your own peril.

Well, Andrei, you should know all about THAT?

Biblical proportions? Will we see Abbott driving a chariot dressed in his budgie smugglers?

woof woof wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 9:02am:

Labor just have this inate abillity to screw everything they try to do up, maybe its because the ppl in labor have little to no real world work experience and try and implement ideologies.Look at the NBN, it will blow out to over 100B, I doubt it will ever be completed? Labor are just incompetant

that may be a big part of their problem.

The NBN wil be outdated well before it is completed.

and where are the laborites defending their cause???

buzz was in every day laughing abotu the libs when they were 16% behind and predicting that the Libs would cease to exist.

where is he now??  just where all labor supporters go when their team is flogged. off to the pub.

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:27am: It is going to be a slaughtering of biblical proportions. I am going to frame the picture of Swan's face when that pr*ck loses his seat. You treat the people with contempt at your own peril. Well, Andrei, you should know all about THAT? Biblical proportions? Will we see Abbott driving a chariot dressed in his budgie smugglers?

Let's hope so. He will be good at wrestling in his undies like Ben Hur.

Honk if you're horny!

General Custer had more hope  ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

woof woof wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:02am: Labor just have this inate abillity to screw everything they try to do up, maybe its because the ppl in labor have little to no real world work experience and try and implement ideologies.Look at the NBN, it will blow out to over 100B, I doubt it will ever be completed? Labor are just incompetant that may be a big part of their problem. The NBN wil be outdated well before it is completed.

So the answer is to imnpliment something ten years further out of date with no chance of ever making the grade?

That is the other option on the table.

Longwhiners dream is that a right wing Atheist cabal in the Coalition can more fully implement Darwins heinous struggle, bloodshed and survival of the fittest ideology where left wing atheists in the Labor party failed him...  What he is missing is that history has marched by Darwins evil superstitious philosophy and its getting harder and harder for Government Atheists to uphold in the face of public anger......

Longwhiners dream is that a right wing Atheist cabal in the Coalition can more fully implement Darwins heinous struggle, bloodshed and survival of the fittest ideology where left wing atheists in the Labor party failed him...  What he is missing is that history has marched by Darwins evil superstitious philosophy and its getting harder and harder for Government Atheists to uphold in the face of public anger......

There can be absolutely no doubt about it anymore. Julia Gillard is officially Australia's worst-ever Prime Minister and her Deputy PM and Treasurer, Wayne Swan is the worst DPM and Treasurer this country has ever had!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

There can be absolutely no doubt about it anymore. Julia Gillard is officially Australia's worst-ever Prime Minister and her Deputy PM and Treasurer, Wayne Swan is the worst DPM and Treasurer this country has ever had!

Having been around in Whitlams time I never thought I'd see anyone top his arrogance or match his incompetence. But along comes Gillard wih LESS competence, MORE arrogance and that voice... UGH! Whitlam was an oratorical champion while Gillard is bogan central with the Kath and Kim voice.

Gough Whitlam... you may yet live to see your record lost beaten and by a significant margin.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 4:50pm: There can be absolutely no doubt about it anymore. Julia Gillard is officially Australia's worst-ever Prime Minister and her Deputy PM and Treasurer, Wayne Swan is the worst DPM and Treasurer this country has ever had! Having been around in Whitlams time I never thought I'd see anyone top his arrogance or match his incompetence. But along comes Gillard wih LESS competence, MORE arrogance and that voice... UGH! Whitlam was an oratorical champion while Gillard is bogan central with the Kath and Kim voice. Gough Whitlam... you may yet live to see your record lost beaten and by a significant margin.

Gillard claimed with confidence in QT recently that she'll win the next election. Seems highly unlikely, to say the least!

2 great points to come out of this poll are:

(1) Labor on 30% primary

(2) Greens on 10% primary

Maqqa wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

2 great points to come out of this poll are: (1) Labor on 30% primary (2) Greens on 10% primary

Gillard dissatisfaction at 65% is just as good...

I think the struggle, bloodshed and survival of the fittest tards of the right wing atheist persuasion are in for a shock if they think the coalition is going to be able to implement Darwins Nazi superstitions...

Maqqa wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

2 great points to come out of this poll are: (1) Labor on 30% primary (2) Greens on 10% primary

shhhh! dont tell FD. He still thinks the Greens are rising and headed towards becoming a major party!!! LOL

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 5:16pm: 2 great points to come out of this poll are: (1) Labor on 30% primary (2) Greens on 10% primary shhhh! dont tell FD. He still thinks the Greens are rising and headed towards becoming a major party!!! LOL

Hell, they aren't even a minor party. They're just a bunch of lunatic activists...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 6:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:46pm: Maqqa wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 5:16pm: 2 great points to come out of this poll are: (1) Labor on 30% primary (2) Greens on 10% primary shhhh! dont tell FD. He still thinks the Greens are rising and headed towards becoming a major party!!! LOL Hell, they aren't even a minor party. They're just a bunch of lunatic activists...

Milne tells us they are a credible alternative - but if it wasn't for Labor's power lust they wouldn't have a say at all

Maqqa wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:50pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:46pm: Maqqa wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 5:16pm: 2 great points to come out of this poll are: (1) Labor on 30% primary (2) Greens on 10% primary shhhh! dont tell FD. He still thinks the Greens are rising and headed towards becoming a major party!!! LOL Hell, they aren't even a minor party. They're just a bunch of lunatic activists... Milne tells us they are a credible alternative - but if it wasn't for Labor's power lust they wouldn't have a say at all

Milne says alot - I doubt much if any is the truth.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 8:49am:

Today's Newspoll gives the nation's view on the ALP and its interminable leadership crisis and it is a massive thumbs down. In a result which would eclipse Gough Whitlam's massive defeat in 1975, Julia Gillard is taking her fractured and demoralised party to an annihilation that would see 30 of Labors 72 seats go to the popular Coalition. It is a maxim in politics that 'disunity is death' but even labor strategists are shocked by the severity of the hit they have taken. The Coalition have reached 50% of the primary vote while Labor has plunged four points to just 30% and a two-party preferred figure of 58/42. But what Labor fears even more is that the worst is yet to come. The labor vote is on a solid trajectory down hill and the indications are that nobody is listening to Gillard or indeed, anyone else from labor. Kevin Rudd has shown himself to be a coward and consequently, voters who had a hope that he would rise and 'save' Labor have had their hopes dashed. Gillards actions in sacking and forcing pro-Rudd front benchers out just underlines her divisive rule. Suddenly, there is not just one Rudd on the back bench sniping and leaking information. There are ten of them. And to underline all that misery comes the news that Tonny Abbott is preferred Prime Minister by his biggest margin yet. If there was ever any hope of a miracle win, it evaporated with this poll. A PM with the strategic and oratorical skills of a Paul Keating couldnt save this turkey. Gillard's political strategy skills are appalling and apart from when she is embarrassing herself by playing the gender card, her oratorical skills match Kath and Kim and even with the accent. But the ALP are stuck with her now. There is literally no one else left to take on the job and possibly salvage some warm bodies from the wreckage. Like any one of a hundred dictators before her, she has 'executed' her opponents. By Sept 14 we could be looking at a 40+ seat loss and an ALP doomed to the opposition benches for a decade or more.

I agree, Labor will lose & lose badly, in the upcoming election, as the Public look for someone to blame!

That said, the Liberals will be a "one term" government, as the GFC returns & the Libs go for their standard DNA fix of AUS-terity, which will only exacerbate issues & rush the OZ Economy further into the downward spiral!

So, you can guess what's coming next, as the Public look for someone to blame, which this time will be the Liberals & yes, they will become a term government, as will Labor, who will in trun lose the following election, as a pattern sets in!

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:49am: Today's Newspoll gives the nation's view on the ALP and its interminable leadership crisis and it is a massive thumbs down. In a result which would eclipse Gough Whitlam's massive defeat in 1975, Julia Gillard is taking her fractured and demoralised party to an annihilation that would see 30 of Labors 72 seats go to the popular Coalition. It is a maxim in politics that 'disunity is death' but even labor strategists are shocked by the severity of the hit they have taken. The Coalition have reached 50% of the primary vote while Labor has plunged four points to just 30% and a two-party preferred figure of 58/42. But what Labor fears even more is that the worst is yet to come. The labor vote is on a solid trajectory down hill and the indications are that nobody is listening to Gillard or indeed, anyone else from labor. Kevin Rudd has shown himself to be a coward and consequently, voters who had a hope that he would rise and 'save' Labor have had their hopes dashed. Gillards actions in sacking and forcing pro-Rudd front benchers out just underlines her divisive rule. Suddenly, there is not just one Rudd on the back bench sniping and leaking information. There are ten of them. And to underline all that misery comes the news that Tonny Abbott is preferred Prime Minister by his biggest margin yet. If there was ever any hope of a miracle win, it evaporated with this poll. A PM with the strategic and oratorical skills of a Paul Keating couldnt save this turkey. Gillard's political strategy skills are appalling and apart from when she is embarrassing herself by playing the gender card, her oratorical skills match Kath and Kim and even with the accent. But the ALP are stuck with her now. There is literally no one else left to take on the job and possibly salvage some warm bodies from the wreckage. Like any one of a hundred dictators before her, she has 'executed' her opponents. By Sept 14 we could be looking at a 40+ seat loss and an ALP doomed to the opposition benches for a decade or more. I agree, Labor will lose & lose badly, in the upcoming election, as the Public look for someone to blame! That said, the Liberals will be a "one term" government, as the GFC returns & the Libs go for their standard DNA fix of AUS-terity, which will only exacerbate issues & rush the OZ Economy further into the downward spiral! So, you can guess what's coming next, as the Public look for someone to blame, which this time will be the Liberals & yes, they will become a term government, as will Labor, who will in trun lose the following election, as a pattern sets in!

Its good to day dream. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise.

Oh gawd. Are you ppl gunna keep this up all the way to september? Negativity and slogans? Actually not a bad idea (for the other side) of you do.

SOB

theres only one thing that will prevent this being a bigger massacre than gough and thats abbott.

good grief, if the libs had howard/costello as their team instead of abbott /bishop who both are only marginally better than numptie material, well i think the the slaughter would be complete.

as ive said before, i mainly mix with bogans and they all liked gough. gough was worth listening to, the unions were strong at the time.

they universally HATE gillard. i almost feel sorry for her. like andrei i cannot wait to see swans face on election night. whilst julia is just an unfortunate woman with no leadership skills and ambition above her talent, swan is a truly evil class warfare arseh*le, and i have NO sympathy for him and his type. they truly would see australia a third world economy if it meant they could put the boot into the hard workers in the small business sector,  i mite frame his picture too andrei and see if i can get it laminated and fixed in  my toilet bowl ;)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 4:24am:

Oh gawd. Are you ppl gunna keep this up all the way to september? Negativity and slogans? Actually not a bad idea (for the other side) of you do. SOB

I'm not negative! I'm positive that Abbott is goping to be PM come September!!!  :)

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:49am: Today's Newspoll gives the nation's view on the ALP and its interminable leadership crisis and it is a massive thumbs down. In a result which would eclipse Gough Whitlam's massive defeat in 1975, Julia Gillard is taking her fractured and demoralised party to an annihilation that would see 30 of Labors 72 seats go to the popular Coalition. It is a maxim in politics that 'disunity is death' but even labor strategists are shocked by the severity of the hit they have taken. The Coalition have reached 50% of the primary vote while Labor has plunged four points to just 30% and a two-party preferred figure of 58/42. But what Labor fears even more is that the worst is yet to come. The labor vote is on a solid trajectory down hill and the indications are that nobody is listening to Gillard or indeed, anyone else from labor. Kevin Rudd has shown himself to be a coward and consequently, voters who had a hope that he would rise and 'save' Labor have had their hopes dashed. Gillards actions in sacking and forcing pro-Rudd front benchers out just underlines her divisive rule. Suddenly, there is not just one Rudd on the back bench sniping and leaking information. There are ten of them. And to underline all that misery comes the news that Tonny Abbott is preferred Prime Minister by his biggest margin yet. If there was ever any hope of a miracle win, it evaporated with this poll. A PM with the strategic and oratorical skills of a Paul Keating couldnt save this turkey. Gillard's political strategy skills are appalling and apart from when she is embarrassing herself by playing the gender card, her oratorical skills match Kath and Kim and even with the accent. But the ALP are stuck with her now. There is literally no one else left to take on the job and possibly salvage some warm bodies from the wreckage. Like any one of a hundred dictators before her, she has 'executed' her opponents. By Sept 14 we could be looking at a 40+ seat loss and an ALP doomed to the opposition benches for a decade or more. I agree, Labor will lose & lose badly, in the upcoming election, as the Public look for someone to blame! That said, the Liberals will be a "one term" government, as the GFC returns & the Libs go for their standard DNA fix of AUS-terity, which will only exacerbate issues & rush the OZ Economy further into the downward spiral! So, you can guess what's coming next, as the Public look for someone to blame, which this time will be the Liberals & yes, they will become a term government, as will Labor, who will in trun lose the following election, as a pattern sets in!

Gawd, you're almost as delusional as Gillard! Labor is gonna lose up to 35 seats. That's not something you recover from in one term. So like it or not, Tony is gonna be PM for at least two terms, possibly three.

no i think perceptions has a good point.

campbell is coming under pressure in qld trying to pay off labor debt, but campbell is a VERY self assured good communicator.

tony will face massive problems
trying to reverse the pension increases
stop the rediculous NBN blowout
stop the indonesian pipeline
and pay off 200 billion of swan debt.

i'm sorry but i dont think he's up to the job. he tends to clam up (witness some of his interviews) and the media will turn on him when they get a whiff of blood and because they like to make themselves the centre of every interview.
he needs to be very carefully media managed when in the lodge.
i would go the putin route and just be the hard man who doesnt be bothered talking to his underlings.
if not and if he is replaced mid term, it will be a TERRIBLE look considering the current labor fiasco.

oh how i bet the libs wish they could get howard costello back.  the golden years. ;)

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:49am: Today's Newspoll gives the nation's view on the ALP and its interminable leadership crisis and it is a massive thumbs down. In a result which would eclipse Gough Whitlam's massive defeat in 1975, Julia Gillard is taking her fractured and demoralised party to an annihilation that would see 30 of Labors 72 seats go to the popular Coalition. It is a maxim in politics that 'disunity is death' but even labor strategists are shocked by the severity of the hit they have taken. The Coalition have reached 50% of the primary vote while Labor has plunged four points to just 30% and a two-party preferred figure of 58/42. But what Labor fears even more is that the worst is yet to come. The labor vote is on a solid trajectory down hill and the indications are that nobody is listening to Gillard or indeed, anyone else from labor. Kevin Rudd has shown himself to be a coward and consequently, voters who had a hope that he would rise and 'save' Labor have had their hopes dashed. Gillards actions in sacking and forcing pro-Rudd front benchers out just underlines her divisive rule. Suddenly, there is not just one Rudd on the back bench sniping and leaking information. There are ten of them. And to underline all that misery comes the news that Tonny Abbott is preferred Prime Minister by his biggest margin yet. If there was ever any hope of a miracle win, it evaporated with this poll. A PM with the strategic and oratorical skills of a Paul Keating couldnt save this turkey. Gillard's political strategy skills are appalling and apart from when she is embarrassing herself by playing the gender card, her oratorical skills match Kath and Kim and even with the accent. But the ALP are stuck with her now. There is literally no one else left to take on the job and possibly salvage some warm bodies from the wreckage. Like any one of a hundred dictators before her, she has 'executed' her opponents. By Sept 14 we could be looking at a 40+ seat loss and an ALP doomed to the opposition benches for a decade or more. I agree, Labor will lose & lose badly, in the upcoming election, as the Public look for someone to blame! That said, the Liberals will be a "one term" government, as the GFC returns & the Libs go for their standard DNA fix of AUS-terity, which will only exacerbate issues & rush the OZ Economy further into the downward spiral! So, you can guess what's coming next, as the Public look for someone to blame, which this time will be the Liberals & yes, they will become a term government, as will Labor, who will in trun lose the following election, as a pattern sets in!

you aer an odd-bod to put it mildly. You oppose austerity and you oppose increasing debt. it seems you want to have it both ways. you cant reduce debt without spending less than you earn. you cannot spend less than you earn in a shrinking revenue environment without cutting spending.

So I know I have asked you before but tell us (for the first time) how you as PM would reduce debt
withing cutting spending or increasing taxes?  A breathless world awaits this new economic  paradigm.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 7:29am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 10:51pm: I agree, Labor will lose & lose badly, in the upcoming election, as the Public look for someone to blame! That said, the Liberals will be a "one term" government, as the GFC returns & the Libs go for their standard DNA fix of AUS-terity, which will only exacerbate issues & rush the OZ Economy further into the downward spiral! So, you can guess what's coming next, as the Public look for someone to blame, which this time will be the Liberals & yes, they will become a term government, as will Labor, who will in trun lose the following election, as a pattern sets in! you aer an odd-bod to put it mildly. You oppose austerity and you oppose increasing debt. it seems you want to have it both ways. you cant reduce debt without spending less than you earn. you cannot spend less than you earn in a shrinking revenue environment without cutting spending. So I know I have asked you before but tell us (for the first time) how you as PM would reduce debt withing cutting spending or increasing taxes?  A breathless world awaits this new economic  paradigm.

I'll give you a few hints!

It's mainly about Demand, Supply & Scarcity!


At this point, I should also say again, that I am not anti AUS-terity, as it has consistently worked fine over several hundred years.

And, I am not anti Debt, with Debt being a standard part of Global Economics.

That said, Debt must be held within reasonable limits & I would say a gross government Debt to GDP ratio of up to 35%, at the highest point, would be acceptable, but anything North of 70-80 is inviting trouble & anything North of 100% is stating loudly that the Economy is stuffed!

In any discussion, about past, current & future Economics/Politics, we must Bear in mind what have been, what are & what will be, the major Economic drivers of Supply & Demand!

THE absolute monarch of Demand has been Demographics, which rose enormously, over the 200 from around 1800-2000 and that resulted in an abundant Demand for a vast array of Goods & Services, which flowed thru to a continued Growth in the Supply of many Goods & Services.

That Demographic Demand Growth has constantly refilled the Economic Activity cup!

So, when Governments (of various persuasions) stuffed up or the Economic cycle simply overheated & Debt rose too high, AUS-terity could be introduced, pretty much across the board, too reduce the Debt back to manageable levels. This would flow on, into reducing the Economic Activity cup, but before too long, the Demographic Demand would surge again, as would Economic Activity & Economic Growth would again take off!

However, several major, once in history changes are now taking place, which means that the old Economic rules are now changing & at some point, the Politicians & TPTB will have to follow!

1) Global Demographics are now set (in concrete) on a slowing Growth trajectory.
The rate of Growth Peaked around 1956, which was the Baby Boomer Peak) and it has slowed ever since.
This resulted in the Global Boom from 1996-2006 (Peak Boomer Earning & Spending years) and the subsequent GFC Bust, which started around 2007.

2) Peak Energy, which is mainly known via Peak Oil, but is equally relevant in Coal.
These two are the major Global Energy sources and commencing around 2000 their Prices have risen enormously, as the Supply of these Basic Energy sources has been seen to significantly lag behind a Growing Demand, except for a short time at the Peak of the GFC, when Economic Activity & Demand dropped way.   

So, we are now caught on the duel horns of a once in history dilemma!

We can not rejuvenate Economic Activity, via the usual Demographic means of Demographic Growth, because that Growth is slowing, prior to stopping altogether by around 2025-2030 & prior to thereafter going into a long term Decline. Which means we can not use the standard across the board AUS-terity programs, because that will simply cause the downward Economic spiral to deepen & to do so more quickly, as can be evidenced by what is already happening in Europe.

In addition, the Cost of Energy will continue to spike Northward, as it becomes more apparent that Supply is not keeping up with Demand & that will cause an ever increasing Decline in the Disposable income of individuals, Businesses & Governments, thus reducing Demand even further.   

So, they are the major Global issues, which are working their way thru and WE (OZ) are directly & indirectly affected!

Unlike the USA, Europe & many other countries, which are already massively affected, we have come thus far, without too much adversity, somewhat because of our connections with China, but we are now starting to be affected & that will pick up pace, over the next 3-5 years.

So, we will have to make changes, BUT those changes should spread the burden fairly, with both Expenditure cuts (such as the Baby Bonus) & Revenue hikes (such as personal & Business taxes).

But, the changes must be selective, not across the board & they must concentrate on increasing Productivity, in both the Private & Government sectors!

Now, what is happening, is that Labor have assumed the old stimulus method would rejuvenate the Economy, they were wrong & the Public will punish them.

The Liberals will assume their old AUS-terity method will fix the problem & they will also be wrong!

so for the 4,681,903rd time you have restated the problem in a lengthy discourse but when asked to provide a solution (since both debt and spending cuts are off the table according to you) you have your usual response,

NOTHING.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

so for the 4,681,903rd time you have restated the problem in a lengthy discourse but when asked to provide a solution (since both debt and spending cuts are off the table according to you) you have your usual response, NOTHING.

As usual, you have problems, with your 4 R's!

1) I don't have problems with debt, as I have said, many times, providing the Debt is within proper limits!
2) I don't have problems with Expenditure cuts, providing they are done fairly, in concert with increased Revenue measures and that both Increased taxes & expenditure cuts are selective and concentrate on increasing Productivity. 

A good place to start from would be to get rid of the Baby Bonus, get rid of Local Councils and implement the Henry review recommendations, BUT those would only be starting points and a lot more would be needed!

That said, the reason for the lengthy write up, is that you & everyone else, need to understand why the Libs can not simply implement across the AUS-terity and wait for it to work, like it has previously.

Those long dissertations, are to highlight that things have changed & old fixes won't work now!

In other words, big/across the board spending cuts will make things worse, not better!

And, there is no solution, according to the old context, we have an entirely new road to start going down, IF we hope to have any sort of reasonable future, for ourselves , But particularly for those generations who are to follow us!

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 6:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 4:07pm: so for the 4,681,903rd time you have restated the problem in a lengthy discourse but when asked to provide a solution (since both debt and spending cuts are off the table according to you) you have your usual response, NOTHING. As usual, you have problems, with your 4 R's! 1) I don't have problems with debt, as I have said, many times, providing the Debt is within proper limits! 2) I don't have problems with Expenditure cuts, providing they are done fairly, in concert with increased Revenue measures and that both Increased taxes & expenditure cuts are selective and concentrate on increasing Productivity.  A good place to start from would be to get rid of the Baby Bonus, get rid of Local Councils and implement the Henry review recommendations, BUT those would only be starting points and a lot more would be needed! That said, the reason for the lengthy write up, is that you & everyone else, need to understand why the Libs can not simply implement across the AUS-terity and wait for it to work, like it has previously. Those long dissertations, are to highlight that things have changed & old fixes won't work now! In other words, big/across the board spending cuts will make things worse, not better! And, there is no solution, according to the old context, we have an entirely new road to start going down, IF we hope to have any sort of reasonable future, for ourselves , But particularly for those generations who are to follow us!

well thats all very nice and lovely but it makes a motherhood statement look like a detailed policy. it has nice concepts but really no detail worthy of the name. The libds will do just fine, just as they have in the past.

Labor can't manage money -
name one Labor party in history that ever managed money properly?

Labor = debt.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 6:23pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 4:07pm: so for the 4,681,903rd time you have restated the problem in a lengthy discourse but when asked to provide a solution (since both debt and spending cuts are off the table according to you) you have your usual response, NOTHING. As usual, you have problems, with your 4 R's! 1) I don't have problems with debt, as I have said, many times, providing the Debt is within proper limits! 2) I don't have problems with Expenditure cuts, providing they are done fairly, in concert with increased Revenue measures and that both Increased taxes & expenditure cuts are selective and concentrate on increasing Productivity.  A good place to start from would be to get rid of the Baby Bonus, get rid of Local Councils and implement the Henry review recommendations, BUT those would only be starting points and a lot more would be needed! That said, the reason for the lengthy write up, is that you & everyone else, need to understand why the Libs can not simply implement across the AUS-terity and wait for it to work, like it has previously. Those long dissertations, are to highlight that things have changed & old fixes won't work now! In other words, big/across the board spending cuts will make things worse, not better! And, there is no solution, according to the old context, we have an entirely new road to start going down, IF we hope to have any sort of reasonable future, for ourselves , But particularly for those generations who are to follow us! well thats all very nice and lovely but it makes a motherhood statement look like a detailed policy. it has nice concepts but really no detail worthy of the name. The libds will do just fine, just as they have in the past.

No, it's simply about our changing realities!

Well, I agree, they (the Libs) will do what is in their DNA & they will do what they have done in the past, which is what I have been saying, BUT it won't be fine, as this time is different & they will make things worse, much worse!

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..........1) Global Demographics are now set (in concrete) on a slowing Growth trajectory. The rate of Growth Peaked around 1956, which was the Baby Boomer Peak) and it has slowed ever since. This resulted in the Global Boom from 1996-2006 (Peak Boomer Earning & Spending years) and the subsequent GFC Bust, which started around 2007. 2) Peak Energy, which is mainly known via Peak Oil, but is equally relevant in Coal. These two are the major Global Energy sources and commencing around 2000 their Prices have risen enormously, as the Supply of these Basic Energy sources has been seen to significantly lag behind a Growing Demand, except for a short time at the Peak of the GFC, when Economic Activity & Demand dropped way.    So, we are now caught on the duel horns of a once in history dilemma! We can not rejuvenate Economic Activity, via the usual Demographic means of Demographic Growth, because that Growth is slowing, prior to stopping altogether by around 2025-2030 & prior to thereafter going into a long term Decline. Which means we can not use the standard across the board AUS-terity programs, because that will simply cause the downward Economic spiral to deepen & to do so more quickly, as can be evidenced by what is already happening in Europe. In addition, the Cost of Energy will continue to spike Northward, as it becomes more apparent that Supply is not keeping up with Demand & that will cause an ever increasing Decline in the Disposable income of individuals, Businesses & Governments, thus reducing Demand even further.    So, they are the major Global issues, which are working their way thru and WE (OZ) are directly & indirectly affected! Unlike the USA, Europe & many other countries, which are already massively affected, we have come thus far, without too much adversity, somewhat because of our connections with China, but we are now starting to be affected & that will pick up pace, over the next 3-5 years..

I agree

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 11:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 10:07pm: perceptions_now wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 6:23pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 4:07pm: so for the 4,681,903rd time you have restated the problem in a lengthy discourse but when asked to provide a solution (since both debt and spending cuts are off the table according to you) you have your usual response, NOTHING. As usual, you have problems, with your 4 R's! 1) I don't have problems with debt, as I have said, many times, providing the Debt is within proper limits! 2) I don't have problems with Expenditure cuts, providing they are done fairly, in concert with increased Revenue measures and that both Increased taxes & expenditure cuts are selective and concentrate on increasing Productivity.  A good place to start from would be to get rid of the Baby Bonus, get rid of Local Councils and implement the Henry review recommendations, BUT those would only be starting points and a lot more would be needed! That said, the reason for the lengthy write up, is that you & everyone else, need to understand why the Libs can not simply implement across the AUS-terity and wait for it to work, like it has previously. Those long dissertations, are to highlight that things have changed & old fixes won't work now! In other words, big/across the board spending cuts will make things worse, not better! And, there is no solution, according to the old context, we have an entirely new road to start going down, IF we hope to have any sort of reasonable future, for ourselves , But particularly for those generations who are to follow us! well thats all very nice and lovely but it makes a motherhood statement look like a detailed policy. it has nice concepts but really no detail worthy of the name. The libds will do just fine, just as they have in the past. No, it's simply about our changing realities! Well, I agree, they (the Libs) will do what is in their DNA & they will do what they have done in the past, which is what I have been saying, BUT it won't be fine, as this time is different & they will make things worse, much worse!

er... you dont change REALITIES. thats why they are called REALITIES