Imagine the rants we'd be hearing if they were Muslims wanting to do the same thing...

More indications Australia is a sold out Zionist lackey state.. as if any more were needed.

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Aussie Zionists training to fight for Israel
7.30 By Tom Tilley
Updated Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:11am AEDT

With the Middle East ceasefire less than a week old, young Jewish Australians are preparing to go to Israel so they can join the army and fight in any future conflict.

These young Australians say they are ready to risk everything to support Israel, and the recent violence has only increased their enthusiasm.

Australia's youth Zionist groups organise activities and Jewish education programs for teenagers in the hope they will actively support Israel.

For young Zionists, the state of Israel is central to Jewish life and there is a long tradition of them leaving home and moving to Israel.

It is called 'making Aliyah'.

In the past four years, more than 400 Australian Jews have made the move and most of them have done compulsory military service.

Reuben Bolaffi oversees Australia's young Zionist groups and he says the recent conflict has strengthened the resolve of young Australian Zionists to support the Jewish homeland.

"People who have the desire to be in Israel, it's not really going to change for them," he said.

"They have a vision of how they want to see Israel, and part of the vision [is] they want to go and build the state to how they want it to be and I think the recent Gaza conflict only increase that desire."

'Risk I have to take'

Ben Milston is one of many young Australian Jews who wants to be a combat soldier in the Israeli Defence Force.

He has started training around Bondi Beach to build up his fitness for what lies ahead.

"I imagine [you need to be] pretty fit. I'm trying to build up strength and core and everything, got to get prepared," he said.

It is an ambition which will put Mr Milston on the front line in an ongoing and bitter conflict.

"It's one of those things; what are you willing to give up and what are you willing to die for?" he said.

"If I saved lives doing what I'd be doing... that's the risk I have to take."

Mr Milston works in a Jewish cafe in Bondi and lives a comfortable life.

What are you willing to give up and what are you willing to die for? If I saved lives doing what I'd be doing... that's the risk I have to take.

Ben Milston
Leaving friends and family to take up arms for Israel was not part of his life plan, but a gap year in Israel changed that.

"I guess I realised how comfortable I am being with other Jewish people, other people that might have the same emotions or experiences, in terms of whether or not it's from the Holocaust or whether it's other anti-Semitic things that I've had throughout my life," he said.

"It's just I guess a really nice connection to be with your own people."

That sense of connection is what made Mr Milston decide he wanted to live in Israel permanently and he says that comes with responsibilities.

"If I wanted to live in that country, then I wanted to do my bit to try to defend it as well," he said.

Zionist youth camp

Mr Milston is not alone. There are other young Australian Jews - many of them members of youth Zionist groups - who are also preparing to fight for Israel.

Last weekend around 100 Zionist youth leaders met at a camp near Ballarat in Victoria.

For 20-year-old Sam Gosling, it was the last camp he would attend before leaving for Israel in less than three weeks.

He says he knows he is risking his life.

"I am putting my life on the line for Israel. I've made that decision that it is such an incredible place that I'll join the army for it," he said.

He says it has been a little unsettling watching the recent conflict on television, knowing he is going to be there soon.

"It was a little worrying but really it doesn't change anything. If anything, I want to go there more now that I see other people helping out," he said.

"I'm going because I love the country. My goal is not to change it. I'm going there to really enjoy the country."

Daniel Crook, 24, is another young Zionist about to emigrate to Israel.

Pacifism is central to his beliefs.

"I'm choosing to work towards a reality where violence is no longer an answer and where the IDF may not even need to exist," he said.

Source: Your ABC

Well at least its official so if the world does see common sense and obey the law eventually they can be charged for their terrorism and participation in war crimes.

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Imagine the rants we'd be hearing if they were Muslims wanting to do the same thing...

Loads of muslims went to Egypt, Syria and Libya...all to provide 'humanitarian aid' only of course. None of them would have picked up a gun, given that this is illegal.

Joining the army of a sovereign state, say Israel, is not illegal. If they went over there to be some sort of militia it would be. I knew and know a lot of Australian jews that have served in the IDF.  And being in the military is not 'terrorist training'.

Abu thinks Avram is a terrorist.

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 12:14pm:

Abu thinks Avram is a terrorist.

Only by the dictionary definition  ::)

If these Jews have duel citizenship then they can go off an fight for their other country. It's perfectly within the law for muslims with duel citizenship to do so also. I personally don't agree with duel citizenship. lebanese are payed australian pensions to sit under date trees in lebanon all day. It hardly seems right.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 12:29pm:

If these Jews have duel citizenship then they can go off an fight for their other country. It's perfectly within the law for muslims with duel citizenship to do so also. I personally don't agree with duel citizenship. lebanese are payed australian pensions to sit under date trees in lebanon all day. It hardly seems right.

Its not legal to commit acts of terrorism and participate in war crimes tho.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 12:32pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 12:29pm: If these Jews have duel citizenship then they can go off an fight for their other country. It's perfectly within the law for muslims with duel citizenship to do so also. I personally don't agree with duel citizenship. lebanese are payed australian pensions to sit under date trees in lebanon all day. It hardly seems right. Its not legal to commit acts of terrorism and participate in war crimes tho.

Is it terrorism to fight for your  country when your neighbours want you wiped off the face of the earth? That is of course if you think Isreal should just bend over and take it up the bum.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:12pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 12:32pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 12:29pm: If these Jews have duel citizenship then they can go off an fight for their other country. It's perfectly within the law for muslims with duel citizenship to do so also. I personally don't agree with duel citizenship. lebanese are payed australian pensions to sit under date trees in lebanon all day. It hardly seems right. Its not legal to commit acts of terrorism and participate in war crimes tho. Is it terrorism to fight for your  country when your neighbours want you wiped off the face of the earth? That is of course if you think Isreal should just bend over and take it up the bum.

It is if your country is illegally occupying another country, see Nuremberg trials.
At least you understand the general logic, now just apply it to the peoples who are actually defending themselves.

What's it got to do with Syria ,Turkey, Lebanon, Jordon and Egypt etc. That's why Israel is calling up people. It's because Egypt and Syria want to attack them. It's not all about stealing land and occupying somebody else's land. It's very much to do with the fact muslims traditionally hate jews and they want they out of the middle east. This same stuff was going on before the Palestinian occupation. I don't believe in taking over peoples houses but I certainly don't agree with pushing millions of Jews forcefully out of the middle east.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:23pm:

What's it got to do with Syria ,Turkey, Lebanon, Jordon and Egypt etc. That's why Israel is calling up people. It's because Egypt and Syria want to attack them. It's not all about stealing land and occupying somebody else's land. It's very much to do with the fact muslims traditionally hate jews and they want they out of the middle east. This same stuff was going on before the Palestinian occupation. I don't believe in taking over peoples houses but I certainly don't agree with pushing millions of Jews forcefully out of the middle east.

This is like saying it was ok for the Nazis to attack Britian when they defended Poland and France.

What do you want to happen there? The fact of the matter is that it isn't one side is bad (Jews) and the others are victims (arabs). There's prejudice and hatred aimed at each other and alot of it has nothing to do with bulldozed houses.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:23pm:

What's it got to do with Syria ,Turkey, Lebanon, Jordon and Egypt etc. That's why Israel is calling up people. It's because Egypt and Syria want to attack them. It's not all about stealing land and occupying somebody else's land. It's very much to do with the fact muslims traditionally hate jews and they want they out of the middle east. This same stuff was going on before the Palestinian occupation. I don't believe in taking over peoples houses but I certainly don't agree with pushing millions of Jews forcefully out of the middle east.

Ironically, it was Muslim Arab countries that pushed a lot of the Jews into Israel - nearly a million of them. It was one of the biggest forced migrations in modern history. This dwarfed the number of Jews that migrated to Israel to escape the holocaust (which Abu constantly complains was illegal). These are the same countries that refuse to take Muslim Arab refugees from the area.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:31pm:

What do you want to happen there? The fact of the matter is that it isn't one side is bad (Jews) and the others are victims (arabs). There's prejudice and hatred aimed at each other and alot of it has nothing to do with bulldozed houses.

You could start by treating the Israeli terrorist regime like you would any other non-Jew/Anglo regime that does the same things.
It has everything to do with bulldozed houses and even if it did it would make no difference, it certainly does not change international law.

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:40pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:23pm: What's it got to do with Syria ,Turkey, Lebanon, Jordon and Egypt etc. That's why Israel is calling up people. It's because Egypt and Syria want to attack them. It's not all about stealing land and occupying somebody else's land. It's very much to do with the fact muslims traditionally hate jews and they want they out of the middle east. This same stuff was going on before the Palestinian occupation. I don't believe in taking over peoples houses but I certainly don't agree with pushing millions of Jews forcefully out of the middle east. Ironically, it was Muslim Arab countries that pushed a lot of the Jews into Israel - nearly a million of them. It was one of the biggest forced migrations in modern history. This dwarfed the number of Jews that migrated to Israel to escape the holocaust (which Abu constantly complains was illegal). These are the same countries that refuse to take Muslim Arab refugees from the area.

And?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:40pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:23pm: What's it got to do with Syria ,Turkey, Lebanon, Jordon and Egypt etc. That's why Israel is calling up people. It's because Egypt and Syria want to attack them. It's not all about stealing land and occupying somebody else's land. It's very much to do with the fact muslims traditionally hate jews and they want they out of the middle east. This same stuff was going on before the Palestinian occupation. I don't believe in taking over peoples houses but I certainly don't agree with pushing millions of Jews forcefully out of the middle east. Ironically, it was Muslim Arab countries that pushed a lot of the Jews into Israel - nearly a million of them. It was one of the biggest forced migrations in modern history. This dwarfed the number of Jews that migrated to Israel to escape the holocaust (which Abu constantly complains was illegal). These are the same countries that refuse to take Muslim Arab refugees from the area. And?

And now they want to finish the Job by driving the Jews into the sea. Nice, aren't they, these people you constantly defend?

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:46pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:40pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:23pm: What's it got to do with Syria ,Turkey, Lebanon, Jordon and Egypt etc. That's why Israel is calling up people. It's because Egypt and Syria want to attack them. It's not all about stealing land and occupying somebody else's land. It's very much to do with the fact muslims traditionally hate jews and they want they out of the middle east. This same stuff was going on before the Palestinian occupation. I don't believe in taking over peoples houses but I certainly don't agree with pushing millions of Jews forcefully out of the middle east. Ironically, it was Muslim Arab countries that pushed a lot of the Jews into Israel - nearly a million of them. It was one of the biggest forced migrations in modern history. This dwarfed the number of Jews that migrated to Israel to escape the holocaust (which Abu constantly complains was illegal). These are the same countries that refuse to take Muslim Arab refugees from the area. And? And now they want to finish the Job by driving the Jews into the sea. Nice, aren't they, these people you constantly defend?

You mean they want to stop a terrorist Zionist regime from illegally occupying millions of innocent people?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:43pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:31pm: What do you want to happen there? The fact of the matter is that it isn't one side is bad (Jews) and the others are victims (arabs). There's prejudice and hatred aimed at each other and alot of it has nothing to do with bulldozed houses. You could start by treating the Israeli terrorist regime like you would any other non-Jew/Anglo regime that does the same things. It has everything to do with bulldozed houses and even if it did it would make no difference, it certainly does not change international law.

If you had rockets hitting you neighbourhoods and coming from people with  connections to radical islamic groups then what would you do? Who says those rockets couldn't contain gas or chemicals. The arabs have used chemicals before. Any country that was getting hit by rockets (especislly from islamic nutjobs) would do the same.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:48pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:46pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:40pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:23pm: What's it got to do with Syria ,Turkey, Lebanon, Jordon and Egypt etc. That's why Israel is calling up people. It's because Egypt and Syria want to attack them. It's not all about stealing land and occupying somebody else's land. It's very much to do with the fact muslims traditionally hate jews and they want they out of the middle east. This same stuff was going on before the Palestinian occupation. I don't believe in taking over peoples houses but I certainly don't agree with pushing millions of Jews forcefully out of the middle east. Ironically, it was Muslim Arab countries that pushed a lot of the Jews into Israel - nearly a million of them. It was one of the biggest forced migrations in modern history. This dwarfed the number of Jews that migrated to Israel to escape the holocaust (which Abu constantly complains was illegal). These are the same countries that refuse to take Muslim Arab refugees from the area. And? And now they want to finish the Job by driving the Jews into the sea. Nice, aren't they, these people you constantly defend? You mean they want to stop a terrorist Zionist regime from illegally occupying millions of innocent people?

Yes. They call it the 'final solution'. When they booted the Jews out they were supposed to become quiet victims somewhere, not set up camp in Islamic land. By the way, how do you occupy people? Is this a reference to Islam's endorsement of rape and pillage?

Big Dave wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:49pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:43pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:31pm: What do you want to happen there? The fact of the matter is that it isn't one side is bad (Jews) and the others are victims (arabs). There's prejudice and hatred aimed at each other and alot of it has nothing to do with bulldozed houses. You could start by treating the Israeli terrorist regime like you would any other non-Jew/Anglo regime that does the same things. It has everything to do with bulldozed houses and even if it did it would make no difference, it certainly does not change international law. If you had rockets hitting you neighbourhoods and coming from people with  connections to radical islamic groups then what would you do? Who says those rockets couldn't contain gas or chemicals. The arabs have used chemicals before. Any country that was getting hit by rockets (especislly from islamic nutjobs) would do the same.

I probably wouldn't live in illegally occupied lands for a start.
Why is it ok for Israel to use chemicals but not the Arabs?

What do you have against people defending themselves?

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:51pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:48pm: freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:46pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:44pm: freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:40pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:23pm: What's it got to do with Syria ,Turkey, Lebanon, Jordon and Egypt etc. That's why Israel is calling up people. It's because Egypt and Syria want to attack them. It's not all about stealing land and occupying somebody else's land. It's very much to do with the fact muslims traditionally hate jews and they want they out of the middle east. This same stuff was going on before the Palestinian occupation. I don't believe in taking over peoples houses but I certainly don't agree with pushing millions of Jews forcefully out of the middle east. Ironically, it was Muslim Arab countries that pushed a lot of the Jews into Israel - nearly a million of them. It was one of the biggest forced migrations in modern history. This dwarfed the number of Jews that migrated to Israel to escape the holocaust (which Abu constantly complains was illegal). These are the same countries that refuse to take Muslim Arab refugees from the area. And? And now they want to finish the Job by driving the Jews into the sea. Nice, aren't they, these people you constantly defend? You mean they want to stop a terrorist Zionist regime from illegally occupying millions of innocent people? Yes. They call it the 'final solution'. When they booted the Jews out they were supposed to become quiet victims somewhere, not set up camp in Islamic land. By the way, how do you occupy people? Is this a reference to Islam's endorsement of rape and pillage?

I am not seeing how any of this justifies what Scumrael is doing right now?
You occupy people in this case by controlling their lives and destroying their freedoms.

I thought it was a reference to your gods endorsement of rape and pillage?  :D

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:56pm:

What do you have against people defending themselves?

I have the same issue that rational Palestinians do. Deliberately getting yourself, your family and your neighbours killed is not the same thing as defending yourself.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1353406295

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:56pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:49pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:43pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:31pm: What do you want to happen there? The fact of the matter is that it isn't one side is bad (Jews) and the others are victims (arabs). There's prejudice and hatred aimed at each other and alot of it has nothing to do with bulldozed houses. You could start by treating the Israeli terrorist regime like you would any other non-Jew/Anglo regime that does the same things. It has everything to do with bulldozed houses and even if it did it would make no difference, it certainly does not change international law. If you had rockets hitting you neighbourhoods and coming from people with  connections to radical islamic groups then what would you do? Who says those rockets couldn't contain gas or chemicals. The arabs have used chemicals before. Any country that was getting hit by rockets (especislly from islamic nutjobs) would do the same. I probably wouldn't live in illegally occupied lands for a start. Why is it ok for Israel to use chemicals but not the Arabs? What do you have against people defending themselves?

I don't see the Palestinians defending themselves. I see them always starting fights. You've got to pull your head out of your loose do-gooding ass and see the the truth. The Palestinians can attack as much as the like but they're going to get a big can of whoop ass thrown back at them . End of story.

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:59pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:56pm: What do you have against people defending themselves? I have the same issue that rational Palestinians do. Deliberately getting yourself, your family and your neighbours killed is not the same thing as defending yourself. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1353406295

Except they were getting killed before they started defending themselves.
If Palestine is not defending itself, then what the hell does that make what Israel is doing???

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:40pm:

Ironically, it was Muslim Arab countries that pushed a lot of the Jews into Israel - nearly a million of them. It was one of the biggest forced migrations in modern history. This dwarfed the number of Jews that migrated to Israel to escape the holocaust (which Abu constantly complains was illegal). These are the same countries that refuse to take Muslim Arab refugees from the area.

More of your fantasy alternate reality I see fd? The vast majority of Jews living in occupied Palestine are not from Arab countries. Please get your facts and figures straight.

And it's irrelevant anyway, Arab countries expelled them when they began expelling Palestinians, and also when they began carrying out terrorist campaigns like Operation Susannah.

Let me ask you something fd, if Muslims invaded Australia, UK or US, and expelled most of the Anglos from those lands and pushed the rest into refugee camps, do you think Muslims would be safe in other Anglo countries? Or do you think they'd either 1) be smart and leave, or 2) be expelled anyway?

I know you won't answer, because you consistently refuse to consider any analogy which places the shoe on the other foot with your own arguments... But I'm asking anyway, just so it's on the record you've refused to answer yet more questions.

And it's irrelevant anyway, Arab countries expelled them when they began expelling Palestinians,


If that's true then you brothers and sisters are just as bad.

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 3:08pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:40pm: Ironically, it was Muslim Arab countries that pushed a lot of the Jews into Israel - nearly a million of them. It was one of the biggest forced migrations in modern history. This dwarfed the number of Jews that migrated to Israel to escape the holocaust (which Abu constantly complains was illegal). These are the same countries that refuse to take Muslim Arab refugees from the area. More of your fantasy alternate reality I see fd? The vast majority of Jews living in occupied Palestine are not from Arab countries. Please get your facts and figures straight.

Funnily enough, it was your own evidence that allerted me to this Abu - the evidence you presented in trying to back up your mass illegal immigration claim. The Arab Muslim countries contributed nearly 1 million Jewish immigrations. You are right though, the majority were probably born there - all the more reason to 'send them home' eh?


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And it's irrelevant anyway, Arab countries expelled them when they began expelling Palestinians

Oh dear, there you go with that collective punishment thing again Abu. It's always funny watching you complain so bitterly when this happens to Muslims. I hope you are paying attention Gandalf - this is Islam does to previously rational people.


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Let me ask you something fd, if Muslims invaded Australia, UK or US, and expelled most of the Anglos from those lands and pushed the rest into refugee camps, do you think Muslims would be safe in other Anglo countries?

We kept many German, Japanese etc POWs in the wars. This is hardly the same as expelling them then complaining about where they end up.


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Or do you think they'd either 1) be smart and leave, or 2) be expelled anyway?

What do you think Abu?


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I know you won't answer, because you consistently refuse to consider any analogy which places the shoe on the other foot with your own arguments...

It's called a loaded question Abu. As I have already pointed out, most are so absurd that they are completely irrelevant.

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It's called a loaded question Abu. As I have already pointed out, most are so absurd that they are completely irrelevant.

The only thing that is different is the people and countries involved, if the 'who' doesn't matter like you claim then whats wrong with it?
Further evidence that you care about the 'who' and not the 'what'.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 2:49pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:43pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:31pm: What do you want to happen there? The fact of the matter is that it isn't one side is bad (Jews) and the others are victims (arabs). There's prejudice and hatred aimed at each other and alot of it has nothing to do with bulldozed houses. You could start by treating the Israeli terrorist regime like you would any other non-Jew/Anglo regime that does the same things. It has everything to do with bulldozed houses and even if it did it would make no difference, it certainly does not change international law. If you had rockets hitting you neighbourhoods and coming from people with  connections to radical islamic groups then what would you do? Who says those rockets couldn't contain gas or chemicals. The arabs have used chemicals before. Any country that was getting hit by rockets (especislly from islamic nutjobs) would do the same.

If you had bombs hitting you and killing your wives and children, if your house is bulldozed and your well, if your child is taken and stuck in a cell - what would you do?

SOB

Many  Jews were expelled previously by neighbouring muslim countries. That's a laugh!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

This same topic is on aussie muslim.com. This is what one of those muslim pigs on there had to say. And you do-gooders side with this scum.

Seems like the beating the ANZAC's took at Gallipoli didn't change things . We'll just have to repeat it if required....... By some piece of muslim trash.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 4:40pm:

This same topic is on aussie muslim.com. This is what one of those muslim pigs on there had to say. And you do-gooders side with this scum. Seems like the beating the ANZAC's took at Gallipoli didn't change things . We'll just have to repeat it if required....... By some piece of muslim trash.

How could I side with this person if I don't even know who it is?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 4:06pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:49pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:43pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 2:31pm: What do you want to happen there? The fact of the matter is that it isn't one side is bad (Jews) and the others are victims (arabs). There's prejudice and hatred aimed at each other and alot of it has nothing to do with bulldozed houses. You could start by treating the Israeli terrorist regime like you would any other non-Jew/Anglo regime that does the same things. It has everything to do with bulldozed houses and even if it did it would make no difference, it certainly does not change international law. If you had rockets hitting you neighbourhoods and coming from people with  connections to radical islamic groups then what would you do? Who says those rockets couldn't contain gas or chemicals. The arabs have used chemicals before. Any country that was getting hit by rockets (especislly from islamic nutjobs) would do the same. If you had bombs hitting you and killing your wives and children, if your house is bulldozed and your well, if your child is taken and stuck in a cell - what would you do? SOB

How many of my wives are we talking about?

Despicable FD, do you have no shame?

I'm just trying to get into the spirit of this "shoe on the other foot" business. You have to be willing to make sacrifices to achieve Islam's glorious victory. Preferably other people of course, but I don't want to run out of wives. Muhammed only lets me have four, and concubines are so unreliable.

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 9:11pm:

I'm just trying to get into the spirit of this "shoe on the other foot" business. You have to be willing to make sacrifices to achieve Islam's glorious victory. Preferably other people of course, but I don't want to run out of wives. Muhammed only lets me have four, and concubines are so unreliable.

So by your 'logic' I should not care if you are blown up because there are some anglo/christians who believe stupid things?

Please explain this logic to me. Are you suggesting Islam is stupid?

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 10:10pm:

Please explain this logic to me. Are you suggesting Islam is stupid?

You are using some peoples views to justify the slaughter of all Palestinians. If that's not what you are trying to do please retract your statements cause its what you have done.
That stuff is not Islam for the majority of its followers is it.

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You are using some peoples views to justify the slaughter of all Palestinians. If that's not what you are trying to do please retract your statements cause its what you have done.

Fair enough. I will retract the bit where I said it would be justified to kill all Palestinians as soon as you can quote it for me.


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That stuff is not Islam for the majority of its followers is it.

Can you be more specific please?

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SOB - If you had bombs hitting you and killing your wives and children, if your house is bulldozed and your well, if your child is taken and stuck in a cell - what would you do? FD - How many of my wives are we talking about?

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Can you be more specific please?

Can you please contribute to the conversation?

Yes. Please explain what is and is not Islam for the majority of it's followers.

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 10:34pm:

Yes. Please explain what is and is not Islam for the majority of it's followers.

Think of any stereotype you usually spew and there is your answer.

Islam is a religion, not a stereotype. Do you think I am wrong about anything to do with Islam?

WA talking stereotypes…….

Baaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

That’s hilarious. ;D ;D

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2012 at 10:56pm:

Islam is a religion, not a stereotype. Do you think I am wrong about anything to do with Islam?

Islam is a religion based on some teachings of the Qur'an, just like Christianity and the like is based on some teachings of the bible.
Both religious text say horrible things, but the vast majority of each texts followers focus on the good stuff and ignore the bad stuff, they certainly don't believe the bad stuff.
You paint all Islamist's with the same brush even tho most do not believe the stuff you so frequently spew out, yet ignore the same logic when pointed out in the bibles teachings.

Your views are most definitely stereotypes.

FriYAY wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2012 at 11:30am:

WA talking stereotypes……. Baaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha That’s hilarious. ;D ;D

What stereotypes do I perpetuate then?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2012 at 12:12pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 11:30am: WA talking stereotypes……. Baaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha That’s hilarious. ;D ;D What stereotypes do I perpetuate then?

No mate none.

You are very even handed when it comes to pedo supporters, police, Israel, the west etc etc.

:)

FriYAY wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2012 at 1:08pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 12:12pm: FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 11:30am: WA talking stereotypes……. Baaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha That’s hilarious. ;D ;D What stereotypes do I perpetuate then? No mate none. You are very even handed when it comes to pedo supporters, police, Israel, the west etc etc. :)

Please explain how I am not even handed on these topics.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2012 at 1:15pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:08pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 12:12pm: FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 11:30am: WA talking stereotypes……. Baaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha That’s hilarious. ;D ;D What stereotypes do I perpetuate then? No mate none. You are very even handed when it comes to pedo supporters, police, Israel, the west etc etc. :) Please explain how I am not even handed on these topics.

Why the feigned indignation? I thought you were a proud hater?  :o

FriYAY wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2012 at 1:38pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:15pm: FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:08pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 12:12pm: FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 11:30am: WA talking stereotypes……. Baaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha That’s hilarious. ;D ;D What stereotypes do I perpetuate then? No mate none. You are very even handed when it comes to pedo supporters, police, Israel, the west etc etc. :) Please explain how I am not even handed on these topics. Why the feigned indignation? I thought you were a proud hater?  :o

So in your mind supporting an organisation that protects paedophiles does not in turn support paedophiles?
In your mind criticising some police means I criticise all police?
In your mind calling something terrorism when you would concede if it was done by any other peoples is not justified?
In your mind calling out horrible acts by a peoples is only justified if they are Arab, Black or Asian?

The biggest hole in you claim is that I am able to say that some priests are good, many police are good, terrorism is bad and that the west does do some good things.
You and your like are unable to do those things regarding your nemeses.

Importantly I look at all cases on an individual basis.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2012 at 1:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:38pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:15pm: FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:08pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 12:12pm: FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 11:30am: WA talking stereotypes……. Baaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha That’s hilarious. ;D ;D What stereotypes do I perpetuate then? No mate none. You are very even handed when it comes to pedo supporters, police, Israel, the west etc etc. :) Please explain how I am not even handed on these topics. Why the feigned indignation? I thought you were a proud hater?  :o So in your mind supporting an organisation that protects paedophiles does not in turn support paedophiles? In your mind criticising some police means I criticise all police? In your mind calling something terrorism when you would concede if it was done by any other peoples is not justified? In your mind calling out horrible acts by a peoples is only justified if they are Arab, Black or Asian? The biggest hole in you claim is that I am able to say that some priests are good, many police are good, terrorism is bad and that the west does do some good things. You and your like are unable to do those things regarding your nemeses. Importantly I look at all cases on an individual basis.

In my mind my gran hobbling off to church on Sunday morning is not a pedo supporter.

In my mind you side with crim’s before police. Remember the pathetic thread, because one wanker got arrested at the Olympics!!!

In my mind both side need to stop the violence.
As for the last one….WTF is that? A stereotypical race card rant?

Your like….??? Are you stereotyping me?? lol

It’s good to see what you say you do claim to be able to do, I shall watch……. :)

FriYAY wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2012 at 2:01pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:45pm: FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:38pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:15pm: FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:08pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 12:12pm: FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 11:30am: WA talking stereotypes……. Baaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha That’s hilarious. ;D ;D What stereotypes do I perpetuate then? No mate none. You are very even handed when it comes to pedo supporters, police, Israel, the west etc etc. :) Please explain how I am not even handed on these topics. Why the feigned indignation? I thought you were a proud hater?  :o So in your mind supporting an organisation that protects paedophiles does not in turn support paedophiles? In your mind criticising some police means I criticise all police? In your mind calling something terrorism when you would concede if it was done by any other peoples is not justified? In your mind calling out horrible acts by a peoples is only justified if they are Arab, Black or Asian? The biggest hole in you claim is that I am able to say that some priests are good, many police are good, terrorism is bad and that the west does do some good things. You and your like are unable to do those things regarding your nemeses. Importantly I look at all cases on an individual basis. In my mind my gran hobbling off to church on Sunday morning is not a pedo supporter. In my mind you side with crim’s before police. Remember the pathetic thread, because one wanker got arrested at the Olympics!!! In my mind both side need to stop the violence. As for the last one….WTF is that? A stereotypical race card rant? Your like….??? Are you stereotyping me?? lol It’s good to see what you say you do claim to be able to do, I shall watch……. :)

Yet I bet she is a supporter of all the good things the church does right?

That is ridiculous, you will notice I had no issue with the criminal being subdued. You will notice I have said that I support police having tasers to defend against criminals. Do you want me to go on?

Of course they do but you can't expect a people under siege to not defend themselves, you wouldn't expect the same of yourself, jews or any other anglo.

Its true tho, if anyone else did what the west does on such a scale you would be going nuts and rightfully so. Why then is it not an issue for you if the west does it?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2012 at 2:06pm:

FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 2:01pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:45pm: FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:38pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:15pm: FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:08pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 12:12pm: FriYAY wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 11:30am: WA talking stereotypes……. Baaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha That’s hilarious. ;D ;D What stereotypes do I perpetuate then? No mate none. You are very even handed when it comes to pedo supporters, police, Israel, the west etc etc. :) Please explain how I am not even handed on these topics. Why the feigned indignation? I thought you were a proud hater?  :o So in your mind supporting an organisation that protects paedophiles does not in turn support paedophiles? In your mind criticising some police means I criticise all police? In your mind calling something terrorism when you would concede if it was done by any other peoples is not justified? In your mind calling out horrible acts by a peoples is only justified if they are Arab, Black or Asian? The biggest hole in you claim is that I am able to say that some priests are good, many police are good, terrorism is bad and that the west does do some good things. You and your like are unable to do those things regarding your nemeses. Importantly I look at all cases on an individual basis. In my mind my gran hobbling off to church on Sunday morning is not a pedo supporter. In my mind you side with crim’s before police. Remember the pathetic thread, because one wanker got arrested at the Olympics!!! In my mind both side need to stop the violence. As for the last one….WTF is that? A stereotypical race card rant? Your like….??? Are you stereotyping me?? lol It’s good to see what you say you do claim to be able to do, I shall watch……. :) Yet I bet she is a supporter of all the good things the church does right? That is ridiculous, you will notice I had no issue with the criminal being subdued. You will notice I have said that I support police having tasers to defend against criminals. Do you want me to go on? Of course they do but you can't expect a people under siege to not defend themselves, you wouldn't expect the same of yourself, jews or any other anglo. Its true tho, if anyone else did what the west does on such a scale you would be going nuts and rightfully so. Why then is it not an issue for you if the west does it?

NO, stereotyper, she goes for some peace and quiet I imagine, may be she like to talk to god in her own way? Who knows? People go to church or “turn” to god for all sorts of reasons. She might hate the church but love god for all I know.

No don’t go on, I shall watch with interest, your support for the police.

LOL, yes the old one-sided argument, cool.

Tired of saying we shouldn’t have gone to Iraq/Afghanistan etc etc, stop trying to stereotype me.

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NO, stereotyper, she goes for some peace and quiet I imagine, may be she like to talk to god in her own way? Who knows? People go to church or “turn” to god for all sorts of reasons. She might hate the church but love god for all I know.

What she goes for is irrelevant.
We are talking about simple cause and effect:
If I support a paedophile supporter I in turn support paedophiles; whether I mean to or not.

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No don’t go on, I shall watch with interest, your support for the police.

Thank you for your forfeit.

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LOL, yes the old one-sided argument, cool.

Not sure how it is one-sided, in exactly the same situations you agree with me; Nazis putting Jews in ghettos being a prime example.

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Tired of saying we shouldn’t have gone to Iraq/Afghanistan etc etc, stop trying to stereotype me.

Yeah that's about all of the things the West has done isn't it  ::)

Watching your arguments get destroyed and quickly change their tune if not change all together is depressing, why do you subject yourself to such humiliation?

You have no proof she supports anything, that’s the point, she supports god I’d say, I don’t know what she thinks of the church, and neither do you. :-/

We shall see.

OK, whatever, Palestine can keep firing rockets and demanding peace, because Palestinians are all innocent.   ::)

Yes, you win, the west is the only people that do wrong.  ::)

I shall watch your lack of stereotyping with interest. :)

FriYAY wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2012 at 2:39pm:

You have no proof she supports anything, that’s the point, she supports god I’d say, I don’t know what she thinks of the church, and neither do you. :-/ We shall see. OK, whatever, Palestine can keep firing rockets and demanding peace, because Palestinians are all innocent.   ::) Yes, you win, the west is the only people that do wrong.  ::) I shall watch your lack of stereotyping with interest. :)

If someone supports the church who supports paedophiles then they in turn support paedophiles.

Pussy.

Why do police have the right to defend themselves but not the people of Palestine?

Poor Friyay has to put more words in my mouth, where have I said that the west is the only people that do wrong?
How does it feel to have to put words in a nut jobs mouth just to come up with an 'argument'?