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Message started by The Grappler on Jun 12th, 2012 at 10:04pm

Title: Newstart People questions....
Post by The Grappler on Jun 12th, 2012 at 10:04pm
(Throws a canard in the ring)....

Newstart is $489.70 for a single - OK?   I have a niece and she is currently required to do work-for-the-dole five days a week PLUS seek actively four jobs in that week.

My questions are these:-

Where is she supposed to find the time to do all that, including the travel and preparations etc for any interview?

Where is she supposed to find the MONEY to do all that, including travel, and live as well?

My view is that 'work-for-the-dole' is nothing but window dressing to satisfy some mythical demographic out there who genuinely believe that people who are out of work - when there are about 700,00 such persons PLUS at least the same number under-employed in MacJobs or about 1 in 10, or to put a perspective on it, 2-3 in a school class - are somehow 'getting something for nothing'.

Hey - it's a bit over a year until we attempt to throw out both the quasi-fascist parties that currently run the  tag team here - so I thought I might just go politically incorrect here and seek some REAL answers to REAL issues that are relevant..

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by Deborahmac09 on Jun 13th, 2012 at 12:49am
$489 is for the long term income support recipient. Others receive $402 a fortnight


Quote:
Special payment rates
The special rates below apply if you are over 21 years, commencing full-time study and you are:

a long-term income support recipient who is receiving/has received an income support payment (other than a student payment) for at least 26 out of the last 39 weeks,


http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/youth_allow.htm

http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/individuals/work_index.htm

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by Spot of Borg on Jun 13th, 2012 at 6:48am

Quote:
My view is that 'work-for-the-dole' is nothing but window dressing to satisfy some mythical demographic out there who genuinely believe that people who are out of work - when there are about 700,00 such persons PLUS at least the same number under-employed in MacJobs or about 1 in 10, or to put a perspective on it, 2-3 in a school class - are somehow 'getting something for nothing'.


Work for the dole is slave labour. They should simply pay a decent wage and call it a job. This is who is doing the jobs that cambell is getting rid of the workers for. He sacks 20k public servants (the gardeners and the road workers) and gets work for the dole slaves to do it. Ya think? Is this what he is doing? I wouldn't be surprised. It would be going on in all the states if it is the case.

SOB

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by imcrookonit on Jun 13th, 2012 at 7:07am
One of Tony Abbott's ideas if he wins the next election.  All unemployed under 50, will have to do work for the dole rubbish.    :(

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by pansi1951 on Jun 13th, 2012 at 7:33am

wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 7:07am:
One of Tony Abbott's ideas if he wins the next election.  All unemployed under 50, will have to do work for the dole rubbish.    :(


Old Tone's will teach them a lesson for losing their job.

The poor bastard started work at fifteen and has worked for forty years, paid taxes, gets retrenched. If that's not bad enough he gets punished by the government. Is that fair Tony?

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by Kat on Jun 13th, 2012 at 7:44am

The problem with WfD is that it is purely and simply a PUNISHMENT for
those who are out-of-work.

There is NO training, and NO positive outcome.

And never tell a prospective employer that you've done WfD, you may as
well just tell them you don't want the job, because you won't GET the job.

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by imcrookonit on Jun 13th, 2012 at 7:52am
What were the other things Mr Abbott had in mind for the unemployed?.  Wasn't income management one of them?.  Also didn't he say, the unemployed should travel two hours to a job.     :(

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by Kat on Jun 13th, 2012 at 7:54am

Income management is one of the most offensive ideas they've ever come
up with in their war on the unemployed.

It should NEVER be allowed to be implemented.

Ever.

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by imcrookonit on Jun 13th, 2012 at 7:58am
Let us hope if Mr Abbott wins the next election, the greens in the senate will stop him doing these evil things.    :( 

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by Kat on Jun 13th, 2012 at 8:22am

wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 7:58am:
Let us hope if Mr Abbott wins the next election, the greens in the senate will stop him doing these evil things.    :( 


I did email Bob Brown on this matter, some time ago.

In a very reasoned and pleasant, PERSONAL reply, he stated that
the Greens would NOT be supporting income management.

So, unless their position has changed......

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by imcrookonit on Jun 13th, 2012 at 8:34am
That is good new Kat, also let us remember.  It is also the greens that support a fair and just increase, of $50 a week, for people that are on new start ( no start.)   ;)   

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by warrigal on Jun 13th, 2012 at 9:40am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 6:48am:

Quote:
My view is that 'work-for-the-dole' is nothing but window dressing to satisfy some mythical demographic out there who genuinely believe that people who are out of work - when there are about 700,00 such persons PLUS at least the same number under-employed in MacJobs or about 1 in 10, or to put a perspective on it, 2-3 in a school class - are somehow 'getting something for nothing'.


Work for the dole is slave labour. They should simply pay a decent wage and call it a job. This is who is doing the jobs that cambell is getting rid of the workers for. He sacks 20k public servants (the gardeners and the road workers) and gets work for the dole slaves to do it. Ya think? Is this what he is doing? I wouldn't be surprised. It would be going on in all the states if it is the case.

SOB


been their too Borg It was called a New work oppertunity, but with no work at the end of the 6 month period.

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by warrigal on Jun 13th, 2012 at 9:46am

wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 7:58am:
Let us hope if Mr Abbott wins the next election, the greens in the senate will stop him doing these evil things.    :( 


It dosn't matter weather abbott and his liberal get in and continue these WFD programs, They where started by the howard government liberal and continued by Rudd and julia

so while there is unemployment, this is the only solution they have. Australia has

I have done WFD 3 times now and i won't be doing it any more.

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by Lin on Jun 13th, 2012 at 10:43am
If you are single under 18 years and living at home the rate is $202 per fortnight.

If you are single 18 years and over and living at home the rate is $265 per fortnight.

Then suddenly when you turn 21 living at home or not you get the full rate.

They means test parents to check if you can be paid at all but shouldn't there be consideration that in some circumstances the parents and the child need more than this?

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by imcrookonit on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:38pm
I have done WFD 3 times now and i won't be doing it any more.
Yes well that is all well and good to say that.  Although I am not sure if it is a matter of choice for most people.  How many unemployed would want to do, work for the dole rubbish?.  I think you will find it is very few.  In other words if they say, you are on a wfd, then you are on a wfd.  I think a persons age also has a lot to do with it though.    :(    

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by Grandmaster on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:44pm

Kat wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 7:44am:
The problem with WfD is that it is purely and simply a PUNISHMENT for
those who are out-of-work.

There is NO training, and NO positive outcome.

And never tell a prospective employer that you've done WfD, you may as
well just tell them you don't want the job, because you won't GET the job.


Eh?  I agree with the rest, but don't understand why the highlighted passge would be?

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by The Grappler on Jun 13th, 2012 at 6:24pm
I stand corrected.  My sister said the niece was on $400 a fortnight - I did a quick search for rates, which gave me the figure I quoted.

Also like to add that any time you see a buzz word these days - such as (ta-raaa) 'choices', (ta-raaa) 'opportunity' etc - you KNOW you are about to be fed a lie!

(Note:  (ta-raa) is the sound of heavenly trumpets signifying a buzz word.  In instituted this on another forum, and (hangs head modestly) I am doing so here.

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by The Grappler on Jun 13th, 2012 at 6:29pm

... wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:44pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 7:44am:
The problem with WfD is that it is purely and simply a PUNISHMENT for
those who are out-of-work.

There is NO training, and NO positive outcome.

And never tell a prospective employer that you've done WfD, you may as
well just tell them you don't want the job, because you won't GET the job.


Eh?  I agree with the rest, but don't understand why the highlighted passage would be?


Umm - yes.  I'd like to know how that works too.  Is it that prospective employers feel you are just wasting your time rather than actively seeking qualifications or whatever by being on (ta-raaa) WfD?

Historical footnote:-  on 'slave labour' - I once shot to pieces a comment on another forum that those on Newstart and DSP (raises eyebrows - what - wheelchairs and all?) should pack up, move up, set up a shanty town, and be FORCED to do the clean-up work after the recent floods.

(bring on da whips, Boss - and da chain gang, and da man on da hoss wit' dat shotgun dere!)...

I responded that I would happily do so - at full applicable rates and in a job applicable to my skills and disabilities (14 of them) - which would probably mean my running around in a government car and supervising and offering the occasional suitable help.  Also, of course, I would need moving assistance and also accommodation on tap with subsidies etc.

I also suggested, in return, that we hold a national lottery, and everyone selected drop their job, pack up, move up, and set up a shanty town, etc at the same rates of pay......guess what the response was...total silence!

Bonus Question (BQ): Where DO people get these redneck ideas?

Bonus Bonus question (BBQ):  Does anyone know if government lackeys monitor or scan these websites for information?  I believe I have detected certain statements in politics that seem a direct result of this style of 'straw poll', with its expressions of the views of the man almost in the street (but not quite yet - not until he's been unemployed long enough!).

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by warrigal on Jun 14th, 2012 at 9:16am

... wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:44pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 7:44am:
The problem with WfD is that it is purely and simply a PUNISHMENT for
those who are out-of-work.


There is NO training, and NO positive outcome.

And never tell a prospective employer that you've done WfD, you may as
well just tell them you don't want the job, because you won't GET the job.


Eh?  I agree with the rest, but don't understand why the highlighted passge would be?

grandmaster

What it means is that if you had to do a WFD program then You wern't able to get a JOB. therefore any Employer out there would beleive that you wounldn't be capable of doing a JOB.

WORK for the DOLE has to END NOW it just destroys peoples lives

Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by Kat on Jun 14th, 2012 at 9:21am

warrigal wrote on Jun 14th, 2012 at 9:16am:

... wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:44pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 7:44am:
The problem with WfD is that it is purely and simply a PUNISHMENT for
those who are out-of-work.


There is NO training, and NO positive outcome.

And never tell a prospective employer that you've done WfD, you may as
well just tell them you don't want the job, because you won't GET the job.


Eh?  I agree with the rest, but don't understand why the highlighted passge would be?

grandmaster

What it means is that if you had to do a WFD program then You wern't able to get a JOB. therefore any Employer out there would beleive that you wounldn't be capable of doing a JOB.

WORK for the DOLE has to END NOW it just destroys peoples lives



It's because many employers assume that if you've done WfD, you are
by definition work-shy and need to be forced to work.

Patently BS, of course, but that's their mind-set.


Title: Re: Newstart People questions....
Post by warrigal on Jun 14th, 2012 at 9:23am
Well I hope grand master understands this now.

grandmaster is obviously a employer or business owner.

The point is no one can live on $400 per ft/n sucessfully. Not a option to be put in.

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