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Message started by imcrookonit on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:26am

Title: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by imcrookonit on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:26am
I'll make the loudmouth miners pay: Julia Gillard's warning to Clive Palmer and Gina Rinehart.    :) 


    By Samantha Maiden
    The Sunday Telegraph
    June 10, 2012

    PM says miners push to dictate decisions "offensive"
    Says they have no more say than a child care worker
    Then outlines plans to make childcare more affordable
 


LOUDMOUTH mining magnates shouldn't dominate public debate more than a nurse or a childcare worker, said Prime Minister Julia Gillard.    :)

In a revealing interview with The Sunday Telegraph to mark her second anniversary as the nation's leader, Ms Gillard has outlined her new childcare agenda for families, her fears about "cruel" social media attacks on kids and her hopes for the future.

Confessing she can't remember ever having a conversation with Australia's richest woman Gina Rinehart, the Labor leader bluntly told business leaders they shouldn't complain when asked to pay their "fair share" of tax.    [smiley=thumbsup.gif]   

"I don't think it's any more complicated than in almost any profession or walk of life you're going to get a few loudmouths," she said.

"It rankles me when anyone thinks that they get a disproportionate go or a disproportionate say and so the great thing about our system is that the childcare workers that I've met today, their vote matters as much as Gina Rinehart's or Clive Palmer's," she said.

"I think it's fantastic that people work hard and make money and do well - that's a good thing - but when their nation calls upon them to do things like pay their fair share of tax I don't think that should get a pushback reaction.   :)

"When people think they can push around the national decision-making to suit them, that also I think is fairly offensive."

The Prime Minister wants to start a national debate on childcare reform, including the option of paying rebates directly to centres to reveal the true out-of-pocket cost to struggling families.    :-?

Last month, The Sunday Telegraph revealed she was considering two options - boosting the childcare benefit for low and middle income earners or paying more subsidies direct to centres to keep fees affordable.

"We've taken some big strides forward in affordability but there's more to do," said Ms Gillard.

"I'm not going to rule options in or out at this stage. We are basically going halves with parents, so every increase is effectively half the parents, half for the government.

"When you're doing that and you don't have a mechanism to manage fee increases, then that does mean it is putting an increasing burden on families and on us."

Asked if childcare workers deserved a pay hike, she said: "I don't get to issue edicts about what people are paid but I think it's a really tough job."

As the government weighs an application by Facebook to allow under-13s to use the social networking site, the Labor leader said the "anonymity" and bullying of kids on the web was a concern.

"You're not going to get me to issue a pronouncement on Facebook for 11-year-olds but I do worry about the cruelty than can be unleashed," she said.

"Isn't the guide just - if you wouldn't say it to someone's face, you wouldn't say it some other way ?"

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:29am
she has a point .... he is a loud mouth

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Maqqa on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:30am
And they will make her pay at the polls

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by angeleyes on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:33am
Another thing labor have stuffed up.

Government increases staff ratios.....................fees go up.


Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:34am
so you admit the mining magnates influence the polls? ...
you don't see anything wrong with that? why is their opinion any more valid than the nurses or the tiler or the cleaners or the local store owner ? they flood the media with as much disinformation as possible because they can afford to ...

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by angeleyes on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:36am

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:34am:
so you admit the mining magnates influence the polls? ...
you don't see anything wrong with that? why is their opinion any more valid than the nurses or the tiler or the cleaners or the local store owner ? they flood the media with as much disinformation as possible because they can afford to ...



Don't forget the unions with their crap because they can afford to.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Maqqa on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:46am

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:34am:
so you admit the mining magnates influence the polls? ...
you don't see anything wrong with that? why is their opinion any more valid than the nurses or the tiler or the cleaners or the local store owner ? they flood the media with as much disinformation as possible because they can afford to ...


Hypocrite!

You are acceptable for union boss doing it!!

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am
The main point is that unions represent thousands of people palmer represents himself, fatfart herself and so on ... .... yes unions have their agenda but at least they don't pretend to be doing it for anything else .... why doesn't Palmer come out and say the truth? mining tax will reduce his profits , thats why he wants it stopped ... it certainly hasn't put a dent in his plans to mine the country to oblivion, so his excuse about his mines going elsewhere don't wash .....

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by angeleyes on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:54am

The main point is that unions represent thousands of people


The main point is that you don't have a clue.

Do you think ALL unionists vote Labor?

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Maqqa on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:57am

angeleyes wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:54am:

The main point is that unions represent thousands of people


The main point is that you don't have a clue.

Do you think ALL unionists vote Labor?



The main point is these billionaires EMPLOYS thousands of people with their own money

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:00am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:57am:

angeleyes wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:54am:

The main point is that unions represent thousands of people


The main point is that you don't have a clue.

Do you think ALL unionists vote Labor?



The main point is these billionaires EMPLOYS thousands of people with their own money


And you don't see a difference? Coles/ woolies employ thousands more than they do, and yet I don't see their CEO's faces on TV every day? I don't see them buying tv stations just so they can control whats shown? Unions represent thousands for the benefit of the members ... Palmer employs thousands to benfit him ... don't pretend they are the same thing

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Maqqa on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:01am

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:00am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:57am:

angeleyes wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:54am:

The main point is that unions represent thousands of people


The main point is that you don't have a clue.

Do you think ALL unionists vote Labor?



The main point is these billionaires EMPLOYS thousands of people with their own money


And you don't see a difference? Coles/ woolies employ thousands more than they do, and yet I don't see their CEO's faces on TV every day? I don't see them buying tv stations just so they can control whats shown? Unions represent thousands for the benefit of the members ... Palmer employs thousands to benfit him ... don't pretend they are the same thing


They don't seeing being a Labor MP as a career path.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:03am

angeleyes wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:54am:

The main point is that unions represent thousands of people


The main point is that you don't have a clue.

Do you think ALL unionists vote Labor?


Whats that got to do with it? The members can vote for whoever they like, the union as a whole will support whoever it likes, they can be different or the same ... not sure what you are trying to prove

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by cods on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:04am

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:29am:
she has a point .... he is a loud mouth






nice of her to point it out.. I am sure she thinks the same of the grey brigade..

shes awfully rude isnt she?.. imagine what she says about them behind closed doors.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:06am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:01am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:00am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:57am:

angeleyes wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:54am:

The main point is that unions represent thousands of people


The main point is that you don't have a clue.

Do you think ALL unionists vote Labor?



The main point is these billionaires EMPLOYS thousands of people with their own money


And you don't see a difference? Coles/ woolies employ thousands more than they do, and yet I don't see their CEO's faces on TV every day? I don't see them buying tv stations just so they can control whats shown? Unions represent thousands for the benefit of the members ... Palmer employs thousands to benfit him ... don't pretend they are the same thing


They don't seeing being a Labor MP as a career path.


Ohh, that got me ... your right I was wrong (sarcasm) .. with a response like that how can I reply .... you really are stupid aren't you? what has that to do with the topic? careful, the more straws you clutch the dumber you look

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:08am

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:04am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:29am:
she has a point .... he is a loud mouth






nice of her to point it out.. I am sure she thinks the same of the grey brigade..

shes awfully rude isnt she?.. imagine what she says about them behind closed doors.


why? all the opinions you have about everyone you know off are all good opinions? and how is it any different to some of Abbotts comments in the past? I thought it was a nice way to describe them ... much nicer than what I would have said about them

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by cods on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:09am

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
The main point is that unions represent thousands of people palmer represents himself, fatfart herself and so on ... .... yes unions have their agenda but at least they don't pretend to be doing it for anything else .... why doesn't Palmer come out and say the truth? mining tax will reduce his profits , thats why he wants it stopped ... it certainly hasn't put a dent in his plans to mine the country to oblivion, so his excuse about his mines going elsewhere don't wash .....




think you will find they all have mining interests elsewhere... did you read where Nathan Tinkler has moved offshore.. going to live in Singapore.

not sure what he would spend in a year of living.. but he wont be spending it here will he?

this is what the rich guy can afford to do..he doesnt have to live here with our high cost of living.like our top celebs.. how many of them choose to have Australia as their home base?? not many.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by angeleyes on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:10am

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:08am:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:04am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:29am:
she has a point .... he is a loud mouth






nice of her to point it out.. I am sure she thinks the same of the grey brigade..

shes awfully rude isnt she?.. imagine what she says about them behind closed doors.


why? all the opinions you have about everyone you know off are all good opinions? and how is it any different to some of Abbotts comments in the past? I thought it was a nice way to describe them ... much nicer than what I would have said about them


I have revised my opinion.

Third grade is now my guess.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by cods on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:13am

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:08am:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:04am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:29am:
she has a point .... he is a loud mouth






nice of her to point it out.. I am sure she thinks the same of the grey brigade..

shes awfully rude isnt she?.. imagine what she says about them behind closed doors.


why? all the opinions you have about everyone you know off are all good opinions? and how is it any different to some of Abbotts comments in the past? I thought it was a nice way to describe them ... much nicer than what I would have said about them




you miss the point. JS  would you mind telling me how old you are or least somewhere close..

you dont understand a lot of things..


SHE IS THE PRIME MINISTER


the PM does not go around calling people names.. yes i know all about Abbott and if he has insulted people it doesnt make what our PM does RIGHT.

ABBOTT BTW HAS NEVER BEEN PM.



the PM job is to treat everyone the same..no matter what..

and calling someone a LOUD MOUTH in the public arena..is disgraceful and undignified.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:14am

angeleyes wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:10am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:08am:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:04am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:29am:
she has a point .... he is a loud mouth






nice of her to point it out.. I am sure she thinks the same of the grey brigade..

shes awfully rude isnt she?.. imagine what she says about them behind closed doors.


why? all the opinions you have about everyone you know off are all good opinions? and how is it any different to some of Abbotts comments in the past? I thought it was a nice way to describe them ... much nicer than what I would have said about them


I have revised my opinion.

Third grade is now my guess.


your opinion only matters to you ... knock yourself out

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by cods on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:14am

angeleyes wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:10am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:08am:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:04am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:29am:
she has a point .... he is a loud mouth






nice of her to point it out.. I am sure she thinks the same of the grey brigade..

shes awfully rude isnt she?.. imagine what she says about them behind closed doors.


why? all the opinions you have about everyone you know off are all good opinions? and how is it any different to some of Abbotts comments in the past? I thought it was a nice way to describe them ... much nicer than what I would have said about them


I have revised my opinion.

Third grade is now my guess.




some people just dont get it do they?

maybe we righties expect more from our PM.. I dont know what it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I shake my head at some of the excuses they come with

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by cods on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:15am

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:14am:

angeleyes wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:10am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:08am:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:04am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:29am:
she has a point .... he is a loud mouth






nice of her to point it out.. I am sure she thinks the same of the grey brigade..

shes awfully rude isnt she?.. imagine what she says about them behind closed doors.


why? all the opinions you have about everyone you know off are all good opinions? and how is it any different to some of Abbotts comments in the past? I thought it was a nice way to describe them ... much nicer than what I would have said about them


I have revised my opinion.

Third grade is now my guess.


your opinion only matters to you ... knock yourself out



I wouldnt be too sure of that

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:17am

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:13am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:08am:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:04am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:29am:
she has a point .... he is a loud mouth






nice of her to point it out.. I am sure she thinks the same of the grey brigade..

shes awfully rude isnt she?.. imagine what she says about them behind closed doors.


why? all the opinions you have about everyone you know off are all good opinions? and how is it any different to some of Abbotts comments in the past? I thought it was a nice way to describe them ... much nicer than what I would have said about them




you miss the point. JS  would you mind telling me how old you are or least somewhere close..

you dont understand a lot of things..


SHE IS THE PRIME MINISTER


the PM does not go around calling people names.. yes i know all about Abbott and if he has insulted people it doesnt make what our PM does RIGHT.

ABBOTT BTW HAS NEVER BEEN PM.



the PM job is to treat everyone the same..no matter what..

and calling someone a LOUD MOUTH in the public arena..is disgraceful and undignified.


the way Palmer has been attacking her, she has every right to attack back ....and why can't PM's say what they think of someone?  She has an opinion .... good on her

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Spot of Borg on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:18am

Quote:
the PM job is to treat everyone the same..no matter what..


Nope. Fraid not. Not in the job description.

SOB

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:18am

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:15am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:14am:

angeleyes wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:10am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:08am:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:04am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:29am:
she has a point .... he is a loud mouth






nice of her to point it out.. I am sure she thinks the same of the grey brigade..

shes awfully rude isnt she?.. imagine what she says about them behind closed doors.


why? all the opinions you have about everyone you know off are all good opinions? and how is it any different to some of Abbotts comments in the past? I thought it was a nice way to describe them ... much nicer than what I would have said about them


I have revised my opinion.

Third grade is now my guess.


your opinion only matters to you ... knock yourself out



I wouldnt be too sure of that


Cods, is this the bit where you angel and joker gump there all tell each other how great you all are? hahaha pathetic

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by pansi1951 on Jun 10th, 2012 at 11:05am
She only called them loudmouths. I'm sure most of Australia are calling them worse than that. I'm glad that she's not selling her soul to these two unscrupulous characters. Tony is a mining magnate whore.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Gist on Jun 10th, 2012 at 11:09am



Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 10th, 2012 at 11:09am

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
The main point is that unions represent thousands of people palmer represents himself, fatfart herself and so on ... .... yes unions have their agenda but at least they don't pretend to be doing it for anything else .... why doesn't Palmer come out and say the truth? mining tax will reduce his profits , thats why he wants it stopped ... it certainly hasn't put a dent in his plans to mine the country to oblivion, so his excuse about his mines going elsewhere don't wash .....




think you will find they all have mining interests elsewhere... did you read where Nathan Tinkler has moved offshore.. going to live in Singapore.

not sure what he would spend in a year of living.. but he wont be spending it here will he?

this is what the rich guy can afford to do..he doesnt have to live here with our high cost of living.like our top celebs.. how many of them choose to have Australia as their home base?? not many.

are his Australian mines still operational? did he close them down and walk away? I don't care where he lives. .. they claim the policies will force them offshore (the mines) .. but they are still going strong, still making a good profit of course they have other interests o'seas ... that has nothing to do with ANY govt. policies, lib or ALP

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by cods on Jun 10th, 2012 at 11:21am

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 11:09am:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
The main point is that unions represent thousands of people palmer represents himself, fatfart herself and so on ... .... yes unions have their agenda but at least they don't pretend to be doing it for anything else .... why doesn't Palmer come out and say the truth? mining tax will reduce his profits , thats why he wants it stopped ... it certainly hasn't put a dent in his plans to mine the country to oblivion, so his excuse about his mines going elsewhere don't wash .....




think you will find they all have mining interests elsewhere... did you read where Nathan Tinkler has moved offshore.. going to live in Singapore.

not sure what he would spend in a year of living.. but he wont be spending it here will he?

this is what the rich guy can afford to do..he doesnt have to live here with our high cost of living.like our top celebs.. how many of them choose to have Australia as their home base?? not many.

are his Australian mines still operational? did he close them down and walk away? I don't care where he lives. .. they claim the policies will force them offshore (the mines) .. but they are still going strong, still making a good profit of course they have other interests o'seas ... that has nothing to do with ANY govt. policies, lib or ALP




well there where the difference lies..I do care where our multi millionaires live.. youi dont understand now a huge chunk of what he makes out of those mone.. [of course they are still working COAL.] he even owns the Newcastle Knights,..but his money os off shore.. he is spending it everywhere but here..grooooooooan.


I give up

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by angeleyes on Jun 10th, 2012 at 11:29am
Cods, is this the bit where you angel and joker gump there all tell each other how great you all are? hahaha pathetic

Slipping fast.

Kindergarten is looking the best for you.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by beware on Jun 10th, 2012 at 11:57am

angeleyes wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 11:29am:
Cods, is this the bit where you angel and joker gump there all tell each other how great you all are? hahaha pathetic

Slipping fast.

Kindergarten is looking the best for you.



Angeleyes......Well you won't make my Kinder class......pre-school for you or maybe daycare!!!

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Dnarever on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:11pm
Not to worry Gina and Clive - Tnoy will give it all back with interest.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Gist on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:13pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:11pm:
Not to worry Gina and Clive - Tnoy will give it all back with interest.


Interest and kisses. I bet Gina and Clive are all hot and bothered just at the thought.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Dnarever on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:20pm
"When people think they can push around the national decision-making to suit them, that also I think is fairly offensive."

Difficult to believe that any vested interest group would think that they can bully a government.

They were so comfortable with the coalition government that they believed that they could bully a Labor government as well.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:50pm
That's the way to go, Jules - bite the hand that feeds you!

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by buzzanddidj on Jun 10th, 2012 at 1:37pm

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:30am:
And they will make her pay at the polls



Pretty  ACCURATE - and equally APPALLING


Currently, in the Australian print media, we have the right-wing and pro-conservative Murdoch Press - slightly off-set by the centrist Fairfax Group

Up TILL now ...  








Rinehart aide urges editorial influence
Kirsty Simpson
June 6, 2012.


THE Fairfax board should have the right to change the editorial direction of the company's newspapers if it would increase profit, one of Gina Rinehart's closest advisers has said.

Jack Cowin, founder of Hungry Jacks and a board member of Channel Ten, told ABC radio yesterday that he believed Mrs Rinehart, the world's richest woman and the largest shareholder in Fairfax, would eventually win a board seat and improve the company's fortunes.

He said newspapers were businesses, not a public service, whose purpose was to ''portray the facts in a manner … to attract readership''.


Commenting on whether Mrs Rinehart would interfere with editorial policy at The Age or The Sydney Morning Herald, Mr Cowin cited a recent article that had said stopping her from doing so ''would be like Qantas not allowing its directors to talk about aeroplanes''

Asked by 774's Rafael Epstein whether Fairfax would employ people like right-wing News Ltd columnist Andrew Bolt if Mrs Rinehart were on the board, he said: ''I would think there may be an argument that would balance the message that's being communicated to the community if there were more Andrew Bolt.''

Asked which way Mrs Rinehart would take editorial policy, Mr Cowin said: ''Gina Rinehart would have a stronger right-wing view than probably the average liberal journalist''

He said the purpose of a company ''is to try to make a profit, and if the editorial policy … is not optimising the opportunity, then it's the role of the directors to try to change the direction''.

A spokesman for Fairfax Media declined to comment.

As Fairfax shares slumped yesterday to a record low of 58˘, Mr Cowin backed Mrs Rinehart's bid for two board positions at the company.

Mr Cowin, who has been touted as a possible board appointee, accompanied the mining magnate when she visited Fairfax chairman Roger Corbett this year.


http://www.smh.com.au/national/rinehart-aide-urges-editorial-influence-20120605-1zudb.html#ixzz1xMDQFVR2



An ENORMOUS pressure on OUR ABC - whose resources are CONSTANTLY under erosion - to "keep it real"










Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by beware on Jun 10th, 2012 at 1:58pm
Jules must have run out of money...... miners have been doing their thing since I was born but now they are Australia's worst enemy. Get a grip!!!

I remember when Labor voters/workers were into the farmers because "Australia ran on the sheeps back".  Well Keating SOLD the family farm and left rural Australia empty and deserted.

Labor must want the same for the miners :D :D :D

Labor have already done it too the manufacturing sector :'(

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:15pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:20pm:
"When people think they can push around the national decision-making to suit them, that also I think is fairly offensive."

Difficult to believe that any vested interest group would think that they can bully a government.

They were so comfortable with the coalition government that they believed that they could bully a Labor government as well.


Difficult to believe you are the only person on the planet that has never heard of lobby or pressur groups. Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?

Honestly DNA, if you found a non-hypocritical position it would be your first.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:17pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 1:37pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:30am:
And they will make her pay at the polls



Pretty  ACCURATE - and equally APPALLING


Currently, in the Australian print media, we have the right-wing and pro-conservative Murdoch Press - slightly off-set by the centrist Fairfax Group

Up TILL now ...  








Rinehart aide urges editorial influence
Kirsty Simpson
June 6, 2012.


THE Fairfax board should have the right to change the editorial direction of the company's newspapers if it would increase profit, one of Gina Rinehart's closest advisers has said.

Jack Cowin, founder of Hungry Jacks and a board member of Channel Ten, told ABC radio yesterday that he believed Mrs Rinehart, the world's richest woman and the largest shareholder in Fairfax, would eventually win a board seat and improve the company's fortunes.

He said newspapers were businesses, not a public service, whose purpose was to ''portray the facts in a manner … to attract readership''.


Commenting on whether Mrs Rinehart would interfere with editorial policy at The Age or The Sydney Morning Herald, Mr Cowin cited a recent article that had said stopping her from doing so ''would be like Qantas not allowing its directors to talk about aeroplanes''

Asked by 774's Rafael Epstein whether Fairfax would employ people like right-wing News Ltd columnist Andrew Bolt if Mrs Rinehart were on the board, he said: ''I would think there may be an argument that would balance the message that's being communicated to the community if there were more Andrew Bolt.''

Asked which way Mrs Rinehart would take editorial policy, Mr Cowin said: ''Gina Rinehart would have a stronger right-wing view than probably the average liberal journalist''

He said the purpose of a company ''is to try to make a profit, and if the editorial policy … is not optimising the opportunity, then it's the role of the directors to try to change the direction''.

A spokesman for Fairfax Media declined to comment.

As Fairfax shares slumped yesterday to a record low of 58˘, Mr Cowin backed Mrs Rinehart's bid for two board positions at the company.

Mr Cowin, who has been touted as a possible board appointee, accompanied the mining magnate when she visited Fairfax chairman Roger Corbett this year.


http://www.smh.com.au/national/rinehart-aide-urges-editorial-influence-20120605-1zudb.html#ixzz1xMDQFVR2



An ENORMOUS pressure on OUR ABC - whose resources are CONSTANTLY under erosion - to "keep it real"



You seem to think the ABC is known for unbiased reporting.

How quaint!

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:20pm
Is there any stupider position to take when you are getting killed in the polls than to deliberately and offensively antagonise the people with the deepest pockets in the country?  All it takes is for the mining industry to take on the ALP in full force and the current sub 30% polls will be nothing but a sweet memory.

Gillard will take Labor to such lows that Family First will be a genuine threat in some of their seats.

it is hard to imagine the stupidity of whchever bufoon is advising her - assuming she listens to anyone.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Gist on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:20pm:
Is there any stupider position to take when you are getting killed in the polls than to deliberately and offensively antagonise the people with the deepest pockets in the country?  All it takes is for the mining industry to take on the ALP in full force and the current sub 30% polls will be nothing but a sweet memory.

Gillard will take Labor to such lows that Family First will be a genuine threat in some of their seats.

it is hard to imagine the stupidity of whchever bufoon is advising her - assuming she listens to anyone.


You don't stop reversing a fundamentally evil policy just because you think some aspects might be hard. That's Lieberal talk. LABOR take the tough decisions. LIEBERAL just takes the DUMB ones.


Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Dnarever on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:41pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:20pm:
"When people think they can push around the national decision-making to suit them, that also I think is fairly offensive."

Difficult to believe that any vested interest group would think that they can bully a government.

They were so comfortable with the coalition government that they believed that they could bully a Labor government as well.


Difficult to believe you are the only person on the planet that has never heard of lobby or pressur groups. Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?

Honestly DNA, if you found a non-hypocritical position it would be your first.



Quote:
never heard of lobby or pressur groups.


These guys have gone well past what you could put in this catagory.


Quote:
Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?


Labor were created by the union movment and they think significantly alike in areas like IR to start with.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Dnarever on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:47pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:20pm:
Is there any stupider position to take when you are getting killed in the polls than to deliberately and offensively antagonise the people with the deepest pockets in the country?  All it takes is for the mining industry to take on the ALP in full force and the current sub 30% polls will be nothing but a sweet memory.

Gillard will take Labor to such lows that Family First will be a genuine threat in some of their seats.

it is hard to imagine the stupidity of whchever bufoon is advising her - assuming she listens to anyone.



Quote:
getting killed in the polls than to deliberately and offensively antagonise the people with the deepest pockets in the country?  All it takes is for the mining industry to take on the ALP in full force and the current sub


Well they have already organised multi million dollar advertising campaigns bought out major shares in the media and appear or are published on almost a weekly basis being critical of anything Labor have done.

Exactly what else do you see coming from them, famine and pestilence?

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Gist on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:53pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:47pm:
Well they have already organised multi million dollar advertising campaigns bought out major shares in the media and appear or are published on almost a weekly basis being critical of anything Labor have done.

Exactly what else do you see coming from them, famine and pestilence?


Exactly. How will worse polls make a difference? May as well kick 'em in the nuts while the kicking is good.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:01pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:20pm:
"When people think they can push around the national decision-making to suit them, that also I think is fairly offensive."

Difficult to believe that any vested interest group would think that they can bully a government.

They were so comfortable with the coalition government that they believed that they could bully a Labor government as well.


Difficult to believe you are the only person on the planet that has never heard of lobby or pressur groups. Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?

Honestly DNA, if you found a non-hypocritical position it would be your first.



Quote:
never heard of lobby or pressur groups.


These guys have gone well past what you could put in this catagory.

[quote]Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?


Labor were created by the union movment and they think significantly alike in areas like IR to start with.[/quote]

so? and I mean it. So? if it walks like a pressure group, talks like a pressure group and acts like a pressure group it IS A PRESSURE GROUP.

just dont pretend it isnt one, just because you find being held hostage to a group of unions led by the remarkably amoral and incompetent drones that fill the union leadership.

Some of us posess the ability to think. Thats why we vote Liberal. only a rusted on drone  could still be defending this disgrace of a govt. And a disgrace to the once fine reputation of the ALP.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:03pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:20pm:
Is there any stupider position to take when you are getting killed in the polls than to deliberately and offensively antagonise the people with the deepest pockets in the country?  All it takes is for the mining industry to take on the ALP in full force and the current sub 30% polls will be nothing but a sweet memory.

Gillard will take Labor to such lows that Family First will be a genuine threat in some of their seats.

it is hard to imagine the stupidity of whchever bufoon is advising her - assuming she listens to anyone.



Quote:
getting killed in the polls than to deliberately and offensively antagonise the people with the deepest pockets in the country?  All it takes is for the mining industry to take on the ALP in full force and the current sub


Well they have already organised multi million dollar advertising campaigns bought out major shares in the media and appear or are published on almost a weekly basis being critical of anything Labor have done.

Exactly what else do you see coming from them, famine and pestilence?


its not the miners criticising them DumbNuts Australia (DNA). EVERYONE is criticsing them including their own supporters members and ex MPs. Get over it. The miners arent your problem. But antagonising them might make 27% polling look pretty good.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:20pm:
Is there any stupider position to take when you are getting killed in the polls than to deliberately and offensively antagonise the people with the deepest pockets in the country?  All it takes is for the mining industry to take on the ALP in full force and the current sub 30% polls will be nothing but a sweet memory.

Gillard will take Labor to such lows that Family First will be a genuine threat in some of their seats.

it is hard to imagine the stupidity of whchever bufoon is advising her - assuming she listens to anyone.



Quote:
getting killed in the polls than to deliberately and offensively antagonise the people with the deepest pockets in the country?  All it takes is for the mining industry to take on the ALP in full force and the current sub


Well they have already organised multi million dollar advertising campaigns bought out major shares in the media and appear or are published on almost a weekly basis being critical of anything Labor have done.

Exactly what else do you see coming from them, famine and pestilence?


its not the miners criticising them DumbNuts Australia (DNA). EVERYONE is criticsing them including their own supporters members and ex MPs. Get over it. The miners arent your problem. But antagonising them might make 27% polling look pretty good.


The way Gillard and the ALP is going right now, I think she should be grateful if her partner votes for her.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:03pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:20pm:
"When people think they can push around the national decision-making to suit them, that also I think is fairly offensive."

Difficult to believe that any vested interest group would think that they can bully a government.

They were so comfortable with the coalition government that they believed that they could bully a Labor government as well.


Difficult to believe you are the only person on the planet that has never heard of lobby or pressur groups. Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?

Honestly DNA, if you found a non-hypocritical position it would be your first.



Quote:
never heard of lobby or pressur groups.


These guys have gone well past what you could put in this catagory.

[quote]Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?


Labor were created by the union movment and they think significantly alike in areas like IR to start with.


so? and I mean it. So? if it walks like a pressure group, talks like a pressure group and acts like a pressure group it IS A PRESSURE GROUP.

just dont pretend it isnt one, just because you find being held hostage to a group of unions led by the remarkably amoral and incompetent drones that fill the union leadership.

Some of us posess the ability to think. Thats why we vote Liberal. only a rusted on drone  could still be defending this disgrace of a govt. And a disgrace to the once fine reputation of the ALP.[/quote]

Hahahaha sorry, I couldn't help it .... that one cracked me up ... especially considering who wrote it ... hahahahaha thanks longmoron, I needed a laugh .. after spending the afternoon cleaning my 2 yr old's poo of the walls ... he discovered he could paint with it .....

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:13pm

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
The main point is that unions represent thousands of people palmer represents himself, fatfart herself and so on ... .... yes unions have their agenda but at least they don't pretend to be doing it for anything else .... why doesn't Palmer come out and say the truth? mining tax will reduce his profits , thats why he wants it stopped ... it certainly hasn't put a dent in his plans to mine the country to oblivion, so his excuse about his mines going elsewhere don't wash .....




think you will find they all have mining interests elsewhere... did you read where Nathan Tinkler has moved offshore.. going to live in Singapore.

not sure what he would spend in a year of living.. but he wont be spending it here will he?
this is what the rich guy can afford to do..he doesnt have to live here with our high cost of living.like our top celebs.. how many of them choose to have Australia as their home base?? not many.


rubbish ... he bought a multi million dollar holiday home on the gold coast last week (maybe week before) .... if he was living here, he would have bought his holiday home in singapore ..... besides most mining profits already go overseas ... a bit rich to play that card isn't it?

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Maqqa on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:22pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:13pm:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
The main point is that unions represent thousands of people palmer represents himself, fatfart herself and so on ... .... yes unions have their agenda but at least they don't pretend to be doing it for anything else .... why doesn't Palmer come out and say the truth? mining tax will reduce his profits , thats why he wants it stopped ... it certainly hasn't put a dent in his plans to mine the country to oblivion, so his excuse about his mines going elsewhere don't wash .....




think you will find they all have mining interests elsewhere... did you read where Nathan Tinkler has moved offshore.. going to live in Singapore.

not sure what he would spend in a year of living.. but he wont be spending it here will he?
this is what the rich guy can afford to do..he doesnt have to live here with our high cost of living.like our top celebs.. how many of them choose to have Australia as their home base?? not many.


rubbish ... he bought a multi million dollar holiday home on the gold coast last week (maybe week before) .... if he was living here, he would have bought his holiday home in singapore ..... besides most mining profits already go overseas ... a bit rich to play that card isn't it?



Show us the Stats

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Dnarever on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:20pm:
"When people think they can push around the national decision-making to suit them, that also I think is fairly offensive."

Difficult to believe that any vested interest group would think that they can bully a government.

They were so comfortable with the coalition government that they believed that they could bully a Labor government as well.


Difficult to believe you are the only person on the planet that has never heard of lobby or pressur groups. Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?

Honestly DNA, if you found a non-hypocritical position it would be your first.



Quote:
never heard of lobby or pressur groups.


These guys have gone well past what you could put in this catagory.

[quote]Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?


Labor were created by the union movment and they think significantly alike in areas like IR to start with.


so? and I mean it. So? if it walks like a pressure group, talks like a pressure group and acts like a pressure group it IS A PRESSURE GROUP.

just dont pretend it isnt one, just because you find being held hostage to a group of unions led by the remarkably amoral and incompetent drones that fill the union leadership.

Some of us posess the ability to think. Thats why we vote Liberal. only a rusted on drone  could still be defending this disgrace of a govt. And a disgrace to the once fine reputation of the ALP.[/quote]


Some of us posess the ability to think. Thats why we vote Liberal

I can not think of a less likely justification in fact the opposite is almost a requirement.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by buzzanddidj on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:53am

beware wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 1:58pm:
Keating SOLD the family farm and left rural Australia empty and deserted.






buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 10:21am:
The "selling the farm" syndrome is by NO MEANS one that began with recent government
It began in - and was nurtured by ALL governments - for the bulk of the 20th century

ONE leader - in ALL of those decades - vocally and actively OPPOSED it

... and look at what we thought of his "socialist" agenda for future generations





FOREIGN INVESTMENT

Rural industries no longer hold the dominating position in Australia’s export trade that they once did.
But they have been traditionally and overwhelmingly the industries which Australians have controlled, industries from which Australians – all Australians – have derived the benefit and profit, and industries for which Australians – all Australians – have shared the burden in times of hardship and difficulty.

Now, the most profitable and significant of Australia’s industries and resources are under foreign control.
Sir John McEwen described this process as selling a bit of the farm year by year to pay our way.
Mr McMahon, more than any other Liberal, prevented any effort to limit foreign investment in those years.
More than any other Australian, Mr McMahon bears the responsibility for Australia “selling the farm”.
But in truth, it has not been the “farm” which has been sold – not the industries like wheat or wool or fruit or dairying or gold, the industries which have faced the crisis and hardships of recent years. It is the strongest and richest of our own industries and services which have been bought up from overseas.

It’s time to stop the great takeover of Australia.
But more important, it’s time to start buying Australia back.
A Labor Government will enable Australia and ordinary Australians to take part in the ownership, development and use of Australian industries and resources
.


It’s Time: Whitlam’s 1972 Election Policy Speech


http://whitlamdismissal.com/1972/11/13/whitlam-1972-election-policy-speech.html








If ONLY ...







Had Whitlam's vision been realised, we wouldn't be divided as a nation on the pros and cons of the minerals super profits tax

The Australian mining sector would be OWNED, 100%, by 20 million Australian share-holders






Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 11th, 2012 at 11:35am

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:20pm:
"When people think they can push around the national decision-making to suit them, that also I think is fairly offensive."

Difficult to believe that any vested interest group would think that they can bully a government.

They were so comfortable with the coalition government that they believed that they could bully a Labor government as well.


Difficult to believe you are the only person on the planet that has never heard of lobby or pressur groups. Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?

Honestly DNA, if you found a non-hypocritical position it would be your first.



Quote:
never heard of lobby or pressur groups.


These guys have gone well past what you could put in this catagory.

[quote]Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?


Labor were created by the union movment and they think significantly alike in areas like IR to start with.


so? and I mean it. So? if it walks like a pressure group, talks like a pressure group and acts like a pressure group it IS A PRESSURE GROUP.

just dont pretend it isnt one, just because you find being held hostage to a group of unions led by the remarkably amoral and incompetent drones that fill the union leadership.

Some of us posess the ability to think. Thats why we vote Liberal. only a rusted on drone  could still be defending this disgrace of a govt. And a disgrace to the once fine reputation of the ALP.



Some of us posess the ability to think. Thats why we vote Liberal

I can not think of a less likely justification in fact the opposite is almost a requirement.
[/quote]

really? look at the intelligence of the average labor supporter on here? Pansi, vegy and Greens_lose etc. gist, goddy and political puppet. between them they'd be struggling to make a 100 IQ

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Dnarever on Jun 11th, 2012 at 12:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 11:35am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:20pm:
"When people think they can push around the national decision-making to suit them, that also I think is fairly offensive."

Difficult to believe that any vested interest group would think that they can bully a government.

They were so comfortable with the coalition government that they believed that they could bully a Labor government as well.


Difficult to believe you are the only person on the planet that has never heard of lobby or pressur groups. Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?

Honestly DNA, if you found a non-hypocritical position it would be your first.



Quote:
never heard of lobby or pressur groups.


These guys have gone well past what you could put in this catagory.

[quote]Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?


Labor were created by the union movment and they think significantly alike in areas like IR to start with.


so? and I mean it. So? if it walks like a pressure group, talks like a pressure group and acts like a pressure group it IS A PRESSURE GROUP.

just dont pretend it isnt one, just because you find being held hostage to a group of unions led by the remarkably amoral and incompetent drones that fill the union leadership.

Some of us posess the ability to think. Thats why we vote Liberal. only a rusted on drone  could still be defending this disgrace of a govt. And a disgrace to the once fine reputation of the ALP.



Some of us posess the ability to think. Thats why we vote Liberal

I can not think of a less likely justification in fact the opposite is almost a requirement.


really? look at the intelligence of the average labor supporter on here? Pansi, vegy and Greens_lose etc. gist, goddy and political puppet. between them they'd be struggling to make a 100 IQ[/quote]


I would not suggest that either you or I compete with any on that list.

You have not noticed the number of conservatives who post here who are about half as bright as a dead wombat.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by Gist on Jun 11th, 2012 at 2:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 11:35am:
really? look at the intelligence of the average labor supporter on here? Pansi, vegy and Greens_lose etc. gist, goddy and political puppet. between them they'd be struggling to make a 100 IQ


Yeah, but you have to drop a zero to get anywhere close to your IQ lugnuts.  THAT'S the point. :D

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 11th, 2012 at 3:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 11:35am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:20pm:
"When people think they can push around the national decision-making to suit them, that also I think is fairly offensive."

Difficult to believe that any vested interest group would think that they can bully a government.

They were so comfortable with the coalition government that they believed that they could bully a Labor government as well.


Difficult to believe you are the only person on the planet that has never heard of lobby or pressur groups. Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?

Honestly DNA, if you found a non-hypocritical position it would be your first.



Quote:
never heard of lobby or pressur groups.


These guys have gone well past what you could put in this catagory.

[quote]Who exactly do you think unions are? Do you think they dont pressure and expect the ALP to fall into their way of thinking?


Labor were created by the union movment and they think significantly alike in areas like IR to start with.


so? and I mean it. So? if it walks like a pressure group, talks like a pressure group and acts like a pressure group it IS A PRESSURE GROUP.

just dont pretend it isnt one, just because you find being held hostage to a group of unions led by the remarkably amoral and incompetent drones that fill the union leadership.

Some of us posess the ability to think. Thats why we vote Liberal. only a rusted on drone  could still be defending this disgrace of a govt. And a disgrace to the once fine reputation of the ALP.



Some of us posess the ability to think. Thats why we vote Liberal

I can not think of a less likely justification in fact the opposite is almost a requirement.


really? look at the intelligence of the average labor supporter on here? Pansi, vegy and Greens_lose etc. gist, goddy and political puppet. between them they'd be struggling to make a 100 IQ[/quote]

and you've just proven that its a lot more than any IQ you possess.... greens is a greens supporter, not a labor supporter ... (I'll give you a clue, read his name ) doopey

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 11th, 2012 at 3:26pm

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:13pm:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
The main point is that unions represent thousands of people palmer represents himself, fatfart herself and so on ... .... yes unions have their agenda but at least they don't pretend to be doing it for anything else .... why doesn't Palmer come out and say the truth? mining tax will reduce his profits , thats why he wants it stopped ... it certainly hasn't put a dent in his plans to mine the country to oblivion, so his excuse about his mines going elsewhere don't wash .....




think you will find they all have mining interests elsewhere... did you read where Nathan Tinkler has moved offshore.. going to live in Singapore.

not sure what he would spend in a year of living.. but he wont be spending it here will he?
this is what the rich guy can afford to do..he doesnt have to live here with our high cost of living.like our top celebs.. how many of them choose to have Australia as their home base?? not many.


rubbish ... he bought a multi million dollar holiday home on the gold coast last week (maybe week before) .... if he was living here, he would have bought his holiday home in singapore ..... besides most mining profits already go overseas ... a bit rich to play that card isn't it?



Show us the Stats


Here you go forrest ... for someone who spends all day copy pasting, I though it would be simple for you ... but I guess your only allowed to copy past what your masters tell you too ....
http://greens.org.au/sites/greens.org.au/files/Foreign%20Ownership%20of%20Australian%20Mines.pdf

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:02pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:13pm:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
The main point is that unions represent thousands of people palmer represents himself, fatfart herself and so on ... .... yes unions have their agenda but at least they don't pretend to be doing it for anything else .... why doesn't Palmer come out and say the truth? mining tax will reduce his profits , thats why he wants it stopped ... it certainly hasn't put a dent in his plans to mine the country to oblivion, so his excuse about his mines going elsewhere don't wash .....




think you will find they all have mining interests elsewhere... did you read where Nathan Tinkler has moved offshore.. going to live in Singapore.

not sure what he would spend in a year of living.. but he wont be spending it here will he?
this is what the rich guy can afford to do..he doesnt have to live here with our high cost of living.like our top celebs.. how many of them choose to have Australia as their home base?? not many.


rubbish ... he bought a multi million dollar holiday home on the gold coast last week (maybe week before) .... if he was living here, he would have bought his holiday home in singapore ..... besides most mining profits already go overseas ... a bit rich to play that card isn't it?



Show us the Stats


Here you go forrest ... for someone who spends all day copy pasting, I though it would be simple for you ... but I guess your only allowed to copy past what your masters tell you too ....
http://greens.org.au/sites/greens.org.au/files/Foreign%20Ownership%20of%20Australian%20Mines.pdf


you would mock anyone quoting such figures from the Liberal website...

FEEL THE MOCK

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:13pm:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
The main point is that unions represent thousands of people palmer represents himself, fatfart herself and so on ... .... yes unions have their agenda but at least they don't pretend to be doing it for anything else .... why doesn't Palmer come out and say the truth? mining tax will reduce his profits , thats why he wants it stopped ... it certainly hasn't put a dent in his plans to mine the country to oblivion, so his excuse about his mines going elsewhere don't wash .....




think you will find they all have mining interests elsewhere... did you read where Nathan Tinkler has moved offshore.. going to live in Singapore.

not sure what he would spend in a year of living.. but he wont be spending it here will he?
this is what the rich guy can afford to do..he doesnt have to live here with our high cost of living.like our top celebs.. how many of them choose to have Australia as their home base?? not many.


rubbish ... he bought a multi million dollar holiday home on the gold coast last week (maybe week before) .... if he was living here, he would have bought his holiday home in singapore ..... besides most mining profits already go overseas ... a bit rich to play that card isn't it?



Show us the Stats


Here you go forrest ... for someone who spends all day copy pasting, I though it would be simple for you ... but I guess your only allowed to copy past what your masters tell you too ....
http://greens.org.au/sites/greens.org.au/files/Foreign%20Ownership%20of%20Australian%20Mines.pdf


you would mock anyone quoting such figures from the Liberal website...

FEEL THE MOCK


32% of every dollar from ore goes overseas and you think  its something to mock? exactly how many billions is that stupid ?

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:39pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:13pm:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
The main point is that unions represent thousands of people palmer represents himself, fatfart herself and so on ... .... yes unions have their agenda but at least they don't pretend to be doing it for anything else .... why doesn't Palmer come out and say the truth? mining tax will reduce his profits , thats why he wants it stopped ... it certainly hasn't put a dent in his plans to mine the country to oblivion, so his excuse about his mines going elsewhere don't wash .....




think you will find they all have mining interests elsewhere... did you read where Nathan Tinkler has moved offshore.. going to live in Singapore.

not sure what he would spend in a year of living.. but he wont be spending it here will he?
this is what the rich guy can afford to do..he doesnt have to live here with our high cost of living.like our top celebs.. how many of them choose to have Australia as their home base?? not many.


rubbish ... he bought a multi million dollar holiday home on the gold coast last week (maybe week before) .... if he was living here, he would have bought his holiday home in singapore ..... besides most mining profits already go overseas ... a bit rich to play that card isn't it?



Show us the Stats


Here you go forrest ... for someone who spends all day copy pasting, I though it would be simple for you ... but I guess your only allowed to copy past what your masters tell you too ....
http://greens.org.au/sites/greens.org.au/files/Foreign%20Ownership%20of%20Australian%20Mines.pdf


you would mock anyone quoting such figures from the Liberal website...

FEEL THE MOCK


32% of every dollar from ore goes overseas and you think  its something to mock? exactly how many billions is that stupid ?


it comes from a Greens website which doesnt exactly imbue it with confidence. And have you heard of a thing called the 'global economy'? Yeah lets be surprised that companies here send profits overseas while the reverse is also true - overseas companies send some profits here to local investors and shareholders.

We dont have a trade surpplus because we are not exporting and having money sent here as a result.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 11th, 2012 at 5:31pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:13pm:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
The main point is that unions represent thousands of people palmer represents himself, fatfart herself and so on ... .... yes unions have their agenda but at least they don't pretend to be doing it for anything else .... why doesn't Palmer come out and say the truth? mining tax will reduce his profits , thats why he wants it stopped ... it certainly hasn't put a dent in his plans to mine the country to oblivion, so his excuse about his mines going elsewhere don't wash .....




think you will find they all have mining interests elsewhere... did you read where Nathan Tinkler has moved offshore.. going to live in Singapore.

not sure what he would spend in a year of living.. but he wont be spending it here will he?
this is what the rich guy can afford to do..he doesnt have to live here with our high cost of living.like our top celebs.. how many of them choose to have Australia as their home base?? not many.


rubbish ... he bought a multi million dollar holiday home on the gold coast last week (maybe week before) .... if he was living here, he would have bought his holiday home in singapore ..... besides most mining profits already go overseas ... a bit rich to play that card isn't it?



Show us the Stats


Here you go forrest ... for someone who spends all day copy pasting, I though it would be simple for you ... but I guess your only allowed to copy past what your masters tell you too ....
http://greens.org.au/sites/greens.org.au/files/Foreign%20Ownership%20of%20Australian%20Mines.pdf


you would mock anyone quoting such figures from the Liberal website...

FEEL THE MOCK


32% of every dollar from ore goes overseas and you think  its something to mock? exactly how many billions is that stupid ?


it comes from a Greens website which doesnt exactly imbue it with confidence. And have you heard of a thing called the 'global economy'? Yeah lets be surprised that companies here send profits overseas while the reverse is also true - overseas companies send some profits here to local investors and shareholders.

We dont have a trade surpplus because we are not exporting and having money sent here as a result.


the problem when you butt into someone else's conversation is that you have no context ... someone else said that twiggy moved o'seas and therefore takes all the mining profits with him .. i suggested that a large portion of mininig profits already goes o'seas which forrest gump then asked me to prove .... i don't deny that foreign money is invested here .. but don't use the argument that they take their profits overseas and invest it elsewhere ....

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 11th, 2012 at 5:36pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 5:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:13pm:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
The main point is that unions represent thousands of people palmer represents himself, fatfart herself and so on ... .... yes unions have their agenda but at least they don't pretend to be doing it for anything else .... why doesn't Palmer come out and say the truth? mining tax will reduce his profits , thats why he wants it stopped ... it certainly hasn't put a dent in his plans to mine the country to oblivion, so his excuse about his mines going elsewhere don't wash .....




think you will find they all have mining interests elsewhere... did you read where Nathan Tinkler has moved offshore.. going to live in Singapore.

not sure what he would spend in a year of living.. but he wont be spending it here will he?
this is what the rich guy can afford to do..he doesnt have to live here with our high cost of living.like our top celebs.. how many of them choose to have Australia as their home base?? not many.


rubbish ... he bought a multi million dollar holiday home on the gold coast last week (maybe week before) .... if he was living here, he would have bought his holiday home in singapore ..... besides most mining profits already go overseas ... a bit rich to play that card isn't it?



Show us the Stats


Here you go forrest ... for someone who spends all day copy pasting, I though it would be simple for you ... but I guess your only allowed to copy past what your masters tell you too ....
http://greens.org.au/sites/greens.org.au/files/Foreign%20Ownership%20of%20Australian%20Mines.pdf


you would mock anyone quoting such figures from the Liberal website...

FEEL THE MOCK


32% of every dollar from ore goes overseas and you think  its something to mock? exactly how many billions is that stupid ?


it comes from a Greens website which doesnt exactly imbue it with confidence. And have you heard of a thing called the 'global economy'? Yeah lets be surprised that companies here send profits overseas while the reverse is also true - overseas companies send some profits here to local investors and shareholders.

We dont have a trade surpplus because we are not exporting and having money sent here as a result.


the problem when you butt into someone else's conversation is that you have no context ... someone else said that twiggy moved o'seas and therefore takes all the mining profits with him .. i suggested that a large portion of mininig profits already goes o'seas which forrest gump then asked me to prove .... i don't deny that foreign money is invested here .. but don't use the argument that they take their profits overseas and invest it elsewhere ....


hey dopey... back on point... you are quoting from a GREENS website therefore it carriez no real credibility.

try again with some actual proof.

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by John Smith on Jun 11th, 2012 at 5:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 5:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 5:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:13pm:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
The main point is that unions represent thousands of people palmer represents himself, fatfart herself and so on ... .... yes unions have their agenda but at least they don't pretend to be doing it for anything else .... why doesn't Palmer come out and say the truth? mining tax will reduce his profits , thats why he wants it stopped ... it certainly hasn't put a dent in his plans to mine the country to oblivion, so his excuse about his mines going elsewhere don't wash .....




think you will find they all have mining interests elsewhere... did you read where Nathan Tinkler has moved offshore.. going to live in Singapore.

not sure what he would spend in a year of living.. but he wont be spending it here will he?
this is what the rich guy can afford to do..he doesnt have to live here with our high cost of living.like our top celebs.. how many of them choose to have Australia as their home base?? not many.


rubbish ... he bought a multi million dollar holiday home on the gold coast last week (maybe week before) .... if he was living here, he would have bought his holiday home in singapore ..... besides most mining profits already go overseas ... a bit rich to play that card isn't it?



Show us the Stats


Here you go forrest ... for someone who spends all day copy pasting, I though it would be simple for you ... but I guess your only allowed to copy past what your masters tell you too ....
http://greens.org.au/sites/greens.org.au/files/Foreign%20Ownership%20of%20Australian%20Mines.pdf


you would mock anyone quoting such figures from the Liberal website...

FEEL THE MOCK


32% of every dollar from ore goes overseas and you think  its something to mock? exactly how many billions is that stupid ?


it comes from a Greens website which doesnt exactly imbue it with confidence. And have you heard of a thing called the 'global economy'? Yeah lets be surprised that companies here send profits overseas while the reverse is also true - overseas companies send some profits here to local investors and shareholders.

We dont have a trade surpplus because we are not exporting and having money sent here as a result.


the problem when you butt into someone else's conversation is that you have no context ... someone else said that twiggy moved o'seas and therefore takes all the mining profits with him .. i suggested that a large portion of mininig profits already goes o'seas which forrest gump then asked me to prove .... i don't deny that foreign money is invested here .. but don't use the argument that they take their profits overseas and invest it elsewhere ....


hey dopey... back on point... you are quoting from a GREENS website therefore it carriez no real credibility.

try again with some actual proof.


what you find credible is irrelevant ... i find that you aren't credible and yet I have to put up with you ...... prove the information provided wrong or piss off ......

Title: Re: PM Will Make The Loudmouth Miners Pay.
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 11th, 2012 at 5:49pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 5:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 5:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:13pm:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
The main point is that unions represent thousands of people palmer represents himself, fatfart herself and so on ... .... yes unions have their agenda but at least they don't pretend to be doing it for anything else .... why doesn't Palmer come out and say the truth? mining tax will reduce his profits , thats why he wants it stopped ... it certainly hasn't put a dent in his plans to mine the country to oblivion, so his excuse about his mines going elsewhere don't wash .....




think you will find they all have mining interests elsewhere... did you read where Nathan Tinkler has moved offshore.. going to live in Singapore.

not sure what he would spend in a year of living.. but he wont be spending it here will he?
this is what the rich guy can afford to do..he doesnt have to live here with our high cost of living.like our top celebs.. how many of them choose to have Australia as their home base?? not many.


rubbish ... he bought a multi million dollar holiday home on the gold coast last week (maybe week before) .... if he was living here, he would have bought his holiday home in singapore ..... besides most mining profits already go overseas ... a bit rich to play that card isn't it?



Show us the Stats


Here you go forrest ... for someone who spends all day copy pasting, I though it would be simple for you ... but I guess your only allowed to copy past what your masters tell you too ....
http://greens.org.au/sites/greens.org.au/files/Foreign%20Ownership%20of%20Australian%20Mines.pdf


you would mock anyone quoting such figures from the Liberal website...

FEEL THE MOCK


32% of every dollar from ore goes overseas and you think  its something to mock? exactly how many billions is that stupid ?


it comes from a Greens website which doesnt exactly imbue it with confidence. And have you heard of a thing called the 'global economy'? Yeah lets be surprised that companies here send profits overseas while the reverse is also true - overseas companies send some profits here to local investors and shareholders.

We dont have a trade surpplus because we are not exporting and having money sent here as a result.


the problem when you butt into someone else's conversation is that you have no context ... someone else said that twiggy moved o'seas and therefore takes all the mining profits with him .. i suggested that a large portion of mininig profits already goes o'seas which forrest gump then asked me to prove .... i don't deny that foreign money is invested here .. but don't use the argument that they take their profits overseas and invest it elsewhere ....


hey dopey... back on point... you are quoting from a GREENS website therefore it carriez no real credibility.

try again with some actual proof.


what you find credible is irrelevant ... i find that you aren't credible and yet I have to put up with you ...... prove the information provided wrong or piss off ......


it is like everytime you post you prove my point perfectly. All you have done is quote a political party's website - groups that are notorious for being a bit loose with facts. The funny part is watching you try and defend it. It turns your own credibility to mash.

try again.

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