Should anyone be allowed to marry 12 year old children?
Does Karnal have any knowledge of this?

bludger wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

Should anyone be allowed to marry 12 year old children?

What is the scientific definition of adult?


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An adult is a human being or living organism that is of relatively mature age, typically associated with sexual maturity and the attainment of reproductive age. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult

Let's pose a different question. Should somebody who is sexually mature and wants to be married be forbidden to get married?

falah wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 2:02pm:

bludger wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 1:48pm: Should anyone be allowed to marry 12 year old children? What is the scientific definition of adult?

I didn't realise marraige was a scientific institution.
Another Islamic first?



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An adult is a human being or living organism that is of relatively mature age, typically associated with sexual maturity and the attainment of reproductive age. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult

Let's pose a different question. Should somebody who is sexually mature and wants to be married be forbidden to get married?[/quote]


Yes, if he/she is emotionally, socially, mentally immature.



It's not ALL about what your trouser snake tells you, numpty.

bludger wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

Should anyone be allowed to marry 12 year old children? Does Karnal have any knowledge of this?

Hmmm.... I suppose that would be karnal knowledge....

falah wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 2:02pm:

bludger wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 1:48pm: Should anyone be allowed to marry 12 year old children? What is the scientific definition of adult? Quote: An adult is a human being or living organism that is of relatively mature age, typically associated with sexual maturity and the attainment of reproductive age. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult Let's pose a different question. Should somebody who is sexually mature and wants to be married be forbidden to get married?

Yes;
Let's pose a different question.

Should somebody who is sexually mature and >> DOES NOT << want to be married be forced to get married?






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The sister of killed teenager Shafilea Ahmed has described in court how her parents physically abused Shafilea "nearly every day". .....Shafilea had refused to enter into a forced marriage with her cousin in Pakistan, the court has been told.

Parents 'Starved And Threatened' Killed Teen - Yahoo! News UK
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Google;
mohammed, "silence is consent"


"DAUGHTER; But daddy, i don't want to marry him.
FATHER; Shut up darling, or i will beat you.
DAUGHTER; OK daddy."




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All moslems believe in their right to murder and rape, and to oppress other human beings.

They, are moslems.

ISLAM teaches moslems that they, moslems, lawfully** have that right, to murder those who offend ISLAM, and its laws.

** No matter what local infidel laws may say on the matter!





And, ISLAMIC law specifically gives moslem men, the right to kill their children [and grandchildren]. [An ISLAMIC source is cited below], at the jihadwatch item.

ISLAMIC sources declare that the killing of moslem children, by a parent, is 'lawful', within ISLAM...
e.g.
"British girl kidnapped by Saudi father: "I told [the police] he was keeping me there against my will and all they said was, 'He's your father, if he wants he can kill you'."
Indeed, traditional Islamic law does not prescribe retaliation against a parent for killing his or her child. For example: "not subject to retaliation" is "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2)." "
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/04/british-girl-kidnapped-by-saudi-father-i-told-the-police-he-was-keeping-me-there-against-my-will-and.html




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Moslems empowered by ISLAM, knowing that they, moslems, may 'lawfully' kill their children, within Australia....


Calls, texts and Facebook posts reveal girl's final hours
May 5, 2011
"A man who murdered his two-year-old daughter last year posted Facebook updates about his crime, a Melbourne court has learnt.
....Yazmina’s body was found in grassland near Greenvale Reservoir, near Broadmeadows in Melbourne’s north, in the early hours of November 18.
Court documents reveal she had been stabbed more than once by her father before she was dumped.
.....Earlier, Yazmina’s mother, Rachelle D’Argent, had received text messages from Acar. One read: "U wanted to convert ma kid do it u wanted to lock me up I did it u wanted 2 b indapendant do it u take full custdy do it u wana kill me il do it wat eva makes u happy nw tel me" (sic)."
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/bout-2-kill-ma-kid-guilty-fathers-chilling-facebook-updates-20110504-1e7g9.html#ixzz1LXX16bpR
http://www.theherald.com.au/news/national/national/general/bout-2-kill-ma-kid-guilty-father-on-facebook/2152947.aspx

In australia its illegal. Its carnal knowledge. In other countries the age is different.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 3:21pm:

In australia its illegal. Its carnal knowledge. In other countries the age is different. SOB

LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL!







Its illegal ????????

And when has that stopped people, and esp. moslems, from 'righteously' flouting infidel laws, in infidel nations ???


e.g.
Google;
"France: Islamic holy man and his wife are jailed for mutilating the genitals of their four daughters"



SOB,

You speak on this forum, as though moslems were virtuous people, who always speak the truth.

They ARE NOT, and they DO NOT.


Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit



“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

Uhhhh this is a bit weird

*backs away towards the door*

http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2010/3/25/129140251862864325.jpg

SOB

SOB,

You are a dissembler.        [   <-----a deceiver ]

And i am going to treat you, on this forum, as though you are a moslem.




Hey SOB,

The victims of the Hula massacre in Syria, didn't die of paranoia.




Hey SOB,

It isn't a 'conspiracy', if they really want to kill you.




Google to find...

e.g.
"....when we say innocent people, we mean muslims...If you are a non-muslim, then you are guilty...."
Anjem Choudary, UK muslim community leader, speaking publicly, of the London 7/7 bombing victims.


e.g.
"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any [unbeliever]."
Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, speaking publicly, and then privately, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims.


e.g.
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."
Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, speaking to a moslem audience, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims.

ISLAM = deceit.


a good read, outlining and exposing ISLAMIST sophistry...

Islamic Dictionary for Infidels
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/07/islamic-dictionary-for-infidels.html






"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Uhhhh this is a bit weird SOB

A 'bit weird', is the person who, when confronted with truth, chooses to back away from truth.

I don't want such people beside me.

Usually, they are cowards.

That is my opinion.

The age of consent in the vatican city is also 12. Google age of consent its 13 in spain. Its pretty young in a lot of countries. In australia its illegal before you are 16 and if you are caught you will be put in jail. Whether you are xtian catholic muslim or whatever.

SOB

It's not actually illegal. It depends on the age difference and consent of the parents. This is an attempt to balance the rights of the young people who want to get married against the risk of exploitation of naive kids.


falah wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 2:02pm:

Let's pose a different question. Should somebody who is sexually mature and wants to be married be forbidden to get married?

How about this for a question - should they be able to seek out and choose their own partner rather than having their parents choose one for them and society then pressure them into acceptance? Surely with maturity comes the ability to choose for yourself rather than passive acceptance of what is chosen for you. Genuine maturity would be expressed in this choice, rather than passive acceptance of sexual servitude, however well intentioned.

Yadda wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

Moslems empowered by ISLAM, knowing that they, moslems, may 'lawfully' kill their children, within Australia.... Calls, texts and Facebook posts reveal girl's final hours May 5, 2011 "A man who murdered his two-year-old daughter last year posted Facebook updates about his crime, a Melbourne court has learnt. ....Yazmina’s body was found in grassland near Greenvale Reservoir, near Broadmeadows in Melbourne’s north, in the early hours of November 18. Court documents reveal she had been stabbed more than once by her father before she was dumped. .....Earlier, Yazmina’s mother, Rachelle D’Argent, had received text messages from Acar. One read: "U wanted to convert ma kid do it u wanted to lock me up I did it u wanted 2 b indapendant do it u take full custdy do it u wana kill me il do it wat eva makes u happy nw tel me" (sic)." http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/bout-2-kill-ma-kid-guilty-fathers-chilling-facebook-updates-20110504-1e7g9.html#ixzz1LXX16bpR http://www.theherald.com.au/news/national/national/general/bout-2-kill-ma-kid-guilty-father-on-facebook/2152947.aspx

Yadda,

That has about as much to do with Islam as the Christian guy who threw his daughter off the West Gate Bridge has to do with Christianity.

Typical of your arguments though. Absolutely unrelated incidents thrown together into a copy/paste fest with lots of bold and large fonts. If you can't bedazzle them with brilliance gotta baffle them with bovine faeces don't ya?

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That has about as much to do with Islam as the Christian guy who threw his daughter off the West Gate Bridge has to do with Christianity.

Abu didn't you attempt to attribute that to Christianity? Does that mean this crime can be attributed to Islam? Forgive me, I am still trying to get my head around the Islamic version of common sense.

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

How about this for a question - should they be able to seek out and choose their own partner rather than having their parents choose one for them and society then pressure them into acceptance?

Sadly Freeliar, your puny brain cannot tell the difference between suggesting and forcing.

Islam only allows parents to suggest potential spouses. Forcing anyone to marry is not allowed in Islam.

falah wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 10:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 8:02pm: How about this for a question - should they be able to seek out and choose their own partner rather than having their parents choose one for them and society then pressure them into acceptance? Sadly Freeliar, your puny brain cannot tell the difference between suggesting and forcing. Islam only allows parents to suggest potential spouses. Forcing anyone to marry is not allowed in Islam.

How much pressure are parents and society allowed to put on children to accept their proposals?

How do you make a legal distinction between parents suggesting something to a child and forcing them to do it?

falah wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 10:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 8:02pm: How about this for a question - should they be able to seek out and choose their own partner rather than having their parents choose one for them and society then pressure them into acceptance? Sadly Freeliar, your puny brain cannot tell the difference between suggesting and forcing. Islam only allows parents to suggest potential spouses. Forcing anyone to marry is not allowed in Islam.

"I suggest you marry great uncle Ahmed, if you know what's good for you..."  How many young girls are taken from the West back to the ';old country' to marry some cousin they had never seen? Thousands. How many committed suicide? dozens, if not more. How many have been killed when they resisted? Again, dozens if not more.


All cases of Muslims making 'suggestions'.

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 10:16pm:

How do you make a legal distinction between parents suggesting something to a child and forcing them to do it?

First of all, people should not be married off until they reach adulthood as scientifically defined.

Secondly, any objection from a groom or bride should be enough to prevent any marriage from taking place.

Freeliar, how do you determine whether anybody has been forced to do anything? If you can work that out, then you will have the answer to your question.

Soren wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 10:25pm:

All cases of Muslims making 'suggestions'.

Forced marriage is forbidden by Islam.

Out of 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, you might find a few village idiots who have done such a thing completely out of ignorance and in contravention of Islam.

Surely you are intelligent enough to not judge a whole group of people by the acts of a very small few. Do you consider Americans to be forcers of marriage? I have heard that there are hillbillys there who practice shotgun weddings. The phrase does come from the US afterall:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_marriage#Shotgun_wedding

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 8:20pm:

Quote: That has about as much to do with Islam as the Christian guy who threw his daughter off the West Gate Bridge has to do with Christianity. Abu didn't you attempt to attribute that to Christianity? Does that mean this crime can be attributed to Islam? Forgive me, I am still trying to get my head around the Islamic version of common sense.

Yeh... no.

That was me positing it to mock how ridiculous claims about Islam are, but half wits like yourself simply don't get it, and instead think it's a deflection or an actual bona fide attempt to associate it to Christianity.

No such thing as forced marriage eh abu. I suppose your mob will be jealous he even beat the first Muslim terrorist's record (6).


Girl of five is youngest UK victim of forced marriage as Home Office looks at prosecuting families
By Steve Doughty
PUBLISHED: 12:03 GMT, 30 March 2012 | UPDATED: 21:43 GMT, 30 March 2012
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Up to 400 children in the past year have been coerced into or threatened with marriage – including a girl aged just five.
She is the youngest victim in Britain, according to the Home Office's Forced Marriage Unit.
The young age of victims was disclosed as ministers consider whether to bring in new laws to make it possible to prosecute families who compel children to marry.
Child wedding: There have been 400 cases of forced marriage in the past year
A new criminal offence of forced marriage could be similar to the system in force in Scotland, which carries a maximum penalty of two years in jail.
Children make up nearly a third of cases dealt with by the Home Office organisation. Its head, Amy Cumming, said: 'The youngest of these was actually five years old, so there are children involved in the practice across the school age range.'

More...Jailed for being stabbed with a screwdriver: How hundreds of Afghan women are still in jail for 'moral crimes'

Miss Cumming said 29 per cent of the cases her unit dealt with last year were under the age of 18.
The name of the five-year-old has not been disclosed and no details of where or how she was married have been released.
Baroness Warsi has condemned forced marriage as 'inhumane' and 'unacceptable'
The Home Office said that most cases involve families from Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, Iraq, Iran, Turkey and North and East Africa.
The latest figures show the number of cases has dropped slightly in the past year.
There were over 1,500 cases in 2011, she said. This compares with 1,618 in 2008, 1,682 in 2009 and 1,735 in 2010.
However official research has suggested that they are likely to be between 5,000 and 8,000 cases in England each year.
Cases frequently involve a girl or young woman being taken abroad, usually on the pretext of a holiday, then forced to marry a man they have never met in accordance with an arrangement reached by the two families.
The involvement of children in forced marriage was confirmed by independent groups.
Fionnuala Murphy of the Iranian and Kurdish Women's Rights Organisation said: 'We have had clients who are in their very early teens, 11-year-olds, 12-year-olds, the youngest case we had was nine years old.'
Ministers say that forced marriage often breaks existing laws, including kidnapping, false imprisonment, harassment, or assault.
Since 2008 victims have been able to take out a forced marriage protection order. By last summer 339 had been issued.
The orders can mean the young person thought to be under threat can have their passport confiscated to prevent them from travelling abroad, or any marriage ceremony for them could be forbidden.
Anyone who breaks the order is guilty of contempt of court and can be punished with a fine or up to two years in jail.
But there is no specific criminal offence attached to forced marriage in England.
Ministers have suggested that making an offence of forcing someone to marry would signal the State's disapproval and deter parents who are thinking of arranging coercive marriages.
However they also worry that making it a crime could deter young women, or men, from trying to get help.
They also fear it may encourage parents to take their children abroad permanently.
A Government consultation on a forced marriage law ended yesterday. A Home Office spokesman said: 'Forced marriage is an appalling form of abuse and we are determined to tackle it.
'That's why we have held a consultation on making it a criminal offence and will criminalise the breach of forced marriage protection orders.'
The Coalition's equalities minister Lynne Featherstone said: 'We will now consider all responses to the consultation before we make a decision.
'We are determined, working closely with charities and other organisations, to make forced marriage a thing of the past.'

The Daily Mail  is known to fabricate stories.

http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.com.au/search/label/mail

http://einekleinenichtmusik.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/dailyt-mail-fake-news-for-readers-too.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2011/oct/04/dailymail-amanda-knox

http://penigma.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/daily-mail-aka-daily-fail-is-connected.html



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First of all, people should not be married off until they reach adulthood as scientifically defined.

Adulthood is not a scientific concept. According to Abu, they can be married off before they reach puberty.


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Secondly, any objection from a groom or bride should be enough to prevent any marriage from taking place.

You are missing the point Falah. Children do what their parents tell them too. Well behaved ones do it without objecting.


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Freeliar, how do you determine whether anybody has been forced to do anything?

First off, we reject the notion of arranged marriages and child brides. We avoid having to make that distinction when it comes to marriages.


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How does Islam make a legal distinction between parents suggesting something to a child and forcing them to do it?

That was me positing it to mock how ridiculous claims about Islam are


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That was me positing it to mock how ridiculous claims about Islam are, but half wits like yourself simply don't get it, and instead think it's a deflection or an actual bona fide attempt to associate it to Christianity.

Abu, if people cannot tell when you are being serious perhaps you need to consider why they find it hard to take you seriously. You say a lot of buggered up things.

the only thing 12 yr olds should be doing is playing with their dolls or bikes .... any parent who wants to marry off his / her kids at the age of 12 should be imprisoned for life ... the same sentence they give their kids

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 7:43pm:

the only thing 12 yr olds should be doing is playing with their dolls or bikes .... any parent who wants to marry off his / her kids at the age of 12 should be imprisoned for life ... the same sentence they give their kids

Or, as in the Western "culture", they should be out getting pregnant to their boyfriends, so they can get their welfare cheques and baby bonuses.

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 7:43pm: the only thing 12 yr olds should be doing is playing with their dolls or bikes .... any parent who wants to marry off his / her kids at the age of 12 should be imprisoned for life ... the same sentence they give their kids Or, as in the Western "culture", they should be out getting pregnant to their boyfriends, so they can get their welfare cheques and baby bonuses.

Lol. Yeah, these prego, dole bludging 12 year olds are everywhere.

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

Quote: First of all, people should not be married off until they reach adulthood as scientifically defined. Adulthood is not a scientific concept

Of course it is. In scientific terms adulthood means "having reached sexual maturity".

Ask a biologist.

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

Quote: Secondly, any objection from a groom or bride should be enough to prevent any marriage from taking place. You are missing the point Falah. Children do what their parents tell them too. Well behaved ones do it without objecting.

;D ;D ;D ;D

I am guessing that you do not have much to do with adolescent children. As a teacher and a parent, I can see that you live in a fantasy world.




freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

Quote: Freeliar, how do you determine whether anybody has been forced to do anything? First off, we reject the notion of arranged marriages .

Arranged marriages are good they take all the effort out of looking for a spouse, and one can benefit from the wisdom of ones parents. I would have been very happy if my parents had bothered to arrange a marriage for me.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 9:04pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:59pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 7:43pm: the only thing 12 yr olds should be doing is playing with their dolls or bikes .... any parent who wants to marry off his / her kids at the age of 12 should be imprisoned for life ... the same sentence they give their kids Or, as in the Western "culture", they should be out getting pregnant to their boyfriends, so they can get their welfare cheques and baby bonuses. Lol. Yeah, these prego, dole bludging 12 year olds are everywhere.

Well here's a few interesting facts about Western society and pregnancy:

Since 2001, 31% of babies born in Australia have been born to unmarried mothers.

The results of the 2010 United States Census showed that 27% of children live with one parent,

Countries located in Asia and the Middle East are the least likely to have children raised in single parent households.

Along with this, the areas where there are an extremely high number of children living in single parent homes include Africa, Europe, Latin America, North America, and Oceania. (Interestingly the most Christian parts of the world, rich or poor, educated or not).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_parent

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 12:18am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:04pm: abu_rashid wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:59pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 7:43pm: the only thing 12 yr olds should be doing is playing with their dolls or bikes .... any parent who wants to marry off his / her kids at the age of 12 should be imprisoned for life ... the same sentence they give their kids Or, as in the Western "culture", they should be out getting pregnant to their boyfriends, so they can get their welfare cheques and baby bonuses. Lol. Yeah, these prego, dole bludging 12 year olds are everywhere. Well here's a few interesting facts about Western society and pregnancy: Since 2001, 31% of babies born in Australia have been born to unmarried mothers. The results of the 2010 United States Census showed that 27% of children live with one parent, Countries located in Asia and the Middle East are the least likely to have children raised in single parent households. Along with this, the areas where there are an extremely high number of children living in single parent homes include Africa, Europe, Latin America, North America, and Oceania. (Interestingly the most Christian parts of the world, rich or poor, educated or not). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_parent

Good to see you are back into believing in FACTS, now can you please delete your lies KUFFER MUSLIM.

Anyway doesn't bother me, I'm sure you are just totally thrilled at having to foot the bill for the stupendous ideology that encourages girls to have sex whenever and with whomever they feel like.

It is your own ruin...

falah wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 10:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 7:30pm: Quote: First of all, people should not be married off until they reach adulthood as scientifically defined. Adulthood is not a scientific concept Of course it is. In scientific terms adulthood means "having reached sexual maturity". Ask a biologist.

Falah, sexual maturity means sexual maturity and nothing more. No genuine biologist would claim some kind of scientific link between this and the human concept of adulthood.


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Arranged marriages are good they take all the effort out of looking for a spouse, and one can benefit from the wisdom of ones parents. I would have been very happy if my parents had bothered to arrange a marriage for me.

;D

Perhaps you should stop trying to explain to women why Islamic wife beating is so much kinder than western wife beating.

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 12:18am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:04pm: abu_rashid wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:59pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 7:43pm: the only thing 12 yr olds should be doing is playing with their dolls or bikes .... any parent who wants to marry off his / her kids at the age of 12 should be imprisoned for life ... the same sentence they give their kids Or, as in the Western "culture", they should be out getting pregnant to their boyfriends, so they can get their welfare cheques and baby bonuses. Lol. Yeah, these prego, dole bludging 12 year olds are everywhere. Well here's a few interesting facts about Western society and pregnancy: Since 2001, 31% of babies born in Australia have been born to unmarried mothers. The results of the 2010 United States Census showed that 27% of children live with one parent, Countries located in Asia and the Middle East are the least likely to have children raised in single parent households. Along with this, the areas where there are an extremely high number of children living in single parent homes include Africa, Europe, Latin America, North America, and Oceania. (Interestingly the most Christian parts of the world, rich or poor, educated or not). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_parent

In western society if our relationship with our spouse fails, we don't beat them into submission or kill them ... we leave them ... thats why they have high single parent rates ... you think your kids would rather you left your wife? or see you beat her to a pulp?

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:30am:

I know of no 12 year olds that are pregnant

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Girl, 12, pregnant after being allowed to live with boyfriend Girl, 12, allowed to live with boyfriend, 15 Father complained to DoCS several times Will become one of our youngest mums A 12-YEAR-OLD girl who was allowed to live with her 15-year-old boyfriend is set to become one of Australia's youngest mothers. The girl had been sharing a bed with the father of her baby from the age of 11, after her mother allowed him to move into their home despite her father's pleas to authorities. When her father complained to staff at the NSW Department of Community Services helpline several times, they failed to do anything about the situation, The Daily Telegraph reports. http://www.news.com.au/girl-12-pregnant-after-being-allowed-to-live-with-boyfriend/story-0-1225736031077

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Earlier today, Premier Ted Baillieu blamed the "failures" of the child care system to protect the 12-year old girl who conceived while under state care on the Department of Human Services. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/girl-13-became-pregnant-while-in-state-care/story-fn7x8me2-1226038101800

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Girls of 11 and 12 now mums ...The revelation that two 11-year-olds became mothers last year has prompted calls from child welfare and family planning advocates for better safeguards to protect vulnerable children. The documents for 2009 and 2010 reveal that 50 girls aged 15 gave birth in Victoria - 260 aged 16, and 567 aged 17. And last financial year, 10 pregnancy terminations were carried out on 13-year-olds, while 52 14-year-olds had the procedure, including 13 from 20 weeks' gestation. The document from the Victorian Admitted Episodes Dataset also shows that pregnancy terminations - including incomplete miscarriages and induction of labour following foetal death - were performed on 111 15-year-olds and 255 16-year-olds in 2010-11.... http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/girls-of-11-and-12-now-mums/story-fn7x8me2-1226218959920

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Babies having babies She had two children by the age of fifteen, but will this young mum stick to her plan of having five kids by the age of twenty? http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-tonight/lifestyle/family/article/-/9843966/babies-having-babies/

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:34am:

In western society if our relationship with our spouse fails, we don't beat them into submission or kill them ... we leave them ... thats why they have high single parent rates ...

Divorce is much easier in Islam than in Western law.


John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:34am:

you think your kids would rather you left your wife? or see you beat her to a pulp?

This sort of thing is not allowed in Islam.



Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them, it may be that ye dislike a thing that God brings about through it a great deal of good."
[Qur'an, an-nisaa' (the Women) v.19]

falah wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 8:34am: In western society if our relationship with our spouse fails, we don't beat them into submission or kill them ... we leave them ... thats why they have high single parent rates ... Divorce is much easier in Islam than in Western law. John Smith wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 8:34am: you think your kids would rather you left your wife? or see you beat her to a pulp? This sort of thing is not allowed in Islam. Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them, it may be that ye dislike a thing that God brings about through it a great deal of good." [Qur'an, an-nisaa' (the Women) v.19]

I never mentioned Islam v's christian ... I said western ... divorce isn't menioned in the Bible either, and yet it happens ....

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

falah wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 10:59pm: freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 7:30pm: Quote: First of all, people should not be married off until they reach adulthood as scientifically defined. Adulthood is not a scientific concept Of course it is. In scientific terms adulthood means "having reached sexual maturity". Ask a biologist. Falah, sexual maturity means sexual maturity and nothing more. No genuine biologist would claim some kind of scientific link between this and the human concept of adulthood.

Freeliar will you lie about everything?


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Biologically, a child is anyone between birth and puberty or in the developmental stage of childhood, between infancy and adulthood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child

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An adult is a human being or living organism that is of relatively mature age, typically associated with sexual maturity and the attainment of reproductive age. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adulthood

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An adult is a human being or living organism that is of relatively mature age, typically associated with sexual maturity and the attainment of reproductive age. In human context, the term has other subordinate meanings associated with social and legal concepts; for example, a legal adult is a legal concept for a person who has attained the age of majority and is therefore regarded as independent, self-sufficient, and responsible (contrast with "minor")....These different aspects of adulthood are often inconsistent and contradictory. A person may be biologically an adult, and have adult behavior but still be treated as a child if they are under the legal age of majority... ...Historically and cross-culturally, adulthood has been determined primarily by the start of puberty (the appearance of secondary sex characteristics such as menstruation in women, ejaculation in men, and pubic hair in both sexes). In the past, a person usually moved from the status of child directly to the status of adult, often with this shift being marked by some type of coming-of-age test or ceremony... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adulthood

The whole concept of adolescence was invented about a century ago by quacks. Since then, Western governments still can't decide when adulthood begins.

In Australia, a person is deemed to understand a person can be found criminally responsible at age 10. Marry, work, and get their own Medicare card at 16. They can join the army at 17. They can vote at 18. When does adulthood begin?

Australian courts have allowed a 13 year-old girl to have a sex change, and allowed a 14 year-old to divorce his parents.






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People can vote at 18, but in some states they don’t age out of foster care until 21. They can join the military at 18, but they can’t drink until 21. They can drive at 16, but they can’t rent a car until 25 without some hefty surcharges. If they are full-time students, the Internal Revenue Service considers them dependents until 24; those without health insurance will soon be able to stay on their parents’ plans even if they’re not in school until age 26, or up to 30 in some states. Parents have no access to their child’s college records if the child is over 18, but parents’ income is taken into account when the child applies for financial aid up to age 24. We seem unable to agree when someone is old enough to take on adult responsibilities. But we’re pretty sure it’s not simply a matter of age...It took some effort, a century ago, for psychologists to make the case that adolescence was a new developmental stage. Once that happened, social institutions were forced to adapt: education, health care, social services and the law all changed to address the particular needs of 12- to 18-year-olds... THE DISCOVERY OF adolescence is generally dated to 1904, with the publication of the massive study “Adolescence,” by G. Stanley Hall, a prominent psychologist and first president of the American Psychological Association. Hall attributed the new stage to social changes at the turn of the 20th century. Child-labor laws kept children under 16 out of the work force, and universal education laws kept them in secondary school, thus prolonging the period of dependence ...not every young person goes through a period of “emerging adulthood.” It’s rare in the developing world...where people have to grow up fast, and it’s often skipped in the industrialized world by the people who marry early, by teenage mothers forced to grow up, by young men or women who go straight from high school to whatever job is available without a chance to dabble until they find the perfect fit. Indeed, the majority of humankind would seem to not go through it at all... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/magazine/22Adulthood-t.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

One "scientific" indicator of adulthood is the eruption of wisdom teeth.

... wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 10:41am:

One "scientific" indicator of adulthood is the eruption of wisdom teeth.

Another could be the eruption of grey hair - or perhaps ear hair?

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Divorce is much easier in Islam than in Western law

This is true. Falah was even so kind as to explain how the Islamic divorce process is an effective defence against marital rape and if the wife is clever enough she can have her husband stoned to death for it (theoretically of course). He is a worldly man.


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This sort of thing is not allowed in Islam.

Can you explain the bit in the Koran about Muhammed's response to a wife being beaten until her skin turned green?


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Biologically, a child is anyone between birth and puberty or in the developmental stage of childhood, between infancy and adulthood.

Again Falah, you misunderstand your own evidence. This is not equating puberty and adulthood - notice the word 'or'.


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These different aspects of adulthood are often inconsistent and contradictory.

Yes Falah - our definition of adulthood contradicts the biological one - well done. Now if only you could figure out what it means before posting it.

John Smith wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:34am:

In western society if our relationship with our spouse fails, we don't beat them into submission or kill them ... we leave them ... thats why they have high single parent rates ... you think your kids would rather you left your wife? or see you beat her to a pulp?

What garbage, spousal murders occur quite frequently in Western society. Western societies are hotbeds of domestic abuse and spousal murder.


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Domestic violence in United States, experienced by 22-25% of American women in their lifetime, is part of a dynamic of control and oppression, often with multiple forms of physical and non-physical abuse. 60% of Native American women are physically assaulted in their lifetime by a partner or spouse. Women are nearly three times more likely to be killed by their partner than men and more likely to be killed during pregnancy. More than 50% of homeless women were subject to domestic violence. The United States was one of the countries identified by a United Nations study with a high rate of domestic violence resulting in death during pregnancy In 1999 in the United States, 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner women in general are more likely to be killed by their spouses than by all other types of assailants combined

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_the_United_States

READ THAT ALOUD, 1 in 4 women in the U.S, the leader of the Western world, experience domestic violence. This practice is RIFE, absolutely RIFE in your societies, and then you come making wild accusations about Islam. Obviously to deflect from your own atrocities, as always.


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ABC News claim that about 20 percent of women who die during pregnancy are victims of murder a pregnant or recently pregnant woman is more likely to be a victim of homicide than to die of any other cause T]he killings span racial and ethnic groups. In cases whose details were known, 67 percent of women were killed with firearms. Many women were slain at home — in bedrooms, living rooms, kitchens — usually by men they knew. Husbands. Boyfriends. Lovers Homicide was the second-leading cause of death among women ages 20 to 24

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_pregnant_women

No doubt we're now going to hear the typical response of: "It's only higher in Western society because we report it, it's under-reported in other countries, but happens more".

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READ THAT ALOUD, 1 in 4 women in the U.S, the leader of the Western world, experience domestic violence.

Abu, how do you think that compares with Islamic societies? Do you realise that the domestic violence it talks about includes what Islam permits - and what you like to pretend is not actually domestic violence.

You can't have it both ways.

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 8:34am: In western society if our relationship with our spouse fails, we don't beat them into submission or kill them ... we leave them ... thats why they have high single parent rates ... you think your kids would rather you left your wife? or see you beat her to a pulp? What garbage, spousal murders occur quite frequently in Western society. Western societies are hotbeds of domestic abuse and spousal murder. Quote: Domestic violence in United States, experienced by 22-25% of American women in their lifetime, is part of a dynamic of control and oppression, often with multiple forms of physical and non-physical abuse. 60% of Native American women are physically assaulted in their lifetime by a partner or spouse. Women are nearly three times more likely to be killed by their partner than men and more likely to be killed during pregnancy. More than 50% of homeless women were subject to domestic violence. The United States was one of the countries identified by a United Nations study with a high rate of domestic violence resulting in death during pregnancy In 1999 in the United States, 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner women in general are more likely to be killed by their spouses than by all other types of assailants combined http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_the_United_States READ THAT ALOUD, 1 in 4 women in the U.S, the leader of the Western world, experience domestic violence. This practice is RIFE, absolutely RIFE in your societies, and then you come making wild accusations about Islam. Obviously to deflect from your own atrocities, as always. [quote]ABC News claim that about 20 percent of women who die during pregnancy are victims of murder a pregnant or recently pregnant woman is more likely to be a victim of homicide than to die of any other cause T]he killings span racial and ethnic groups. In cases whose details were known, 67 percent of women were killed with firearms. Many women were slain at home — in bedrooms, living rooms, kitchens — usually by men they knew. Husbands. Boyfriends. Lovers Homicide was the second-leading cause of death among women ages 20 to 24

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_pregnant_women

No doubt we're now going to hear the typical response of: "It's only higher in Western society because we report it, it's under-reported in other countries, but happens more".[/quote]

thats because if someone beats their wife to death in Islamic countries it's all kept hush hush, pay the right bribe, give them your ten yr old daughter to marry, they;ll turn a blind eye ... and you ridiculing the under reporting of the crimes does not make them it any less true ....

READ THAT ALOUD, 1 in 4 women in the U.S, the leader of the Western world, experience domestic violence. This practice is RIFE, absolutely RIFE in your societies, and then you come making wild accusations about Islam. Obviously to deflect from your own atrocities, as always.

WHY DONT YOU TRY TO READ THIS ALOUD

1. AFGHANISTAN

Beleaguered by insurgency, corruption and dire poverty, Afghanistan ranked as most dangerous to women overall and came out worst in three of the poll's key risk categories: health, non-sexual violence and economic discrimination.

* Women in Afghanistan have a one in 11 chance of dying in childbirth.

* Some 87 pct of women are illiterate.

* 70-80 pct of girls and women face forced marriages.


2. CONGO

Still reeling from a 1998-2003 war and accompanying humanitarian disaster that killed 5.4 million, Democratic Republic of Congo ranked second due mainly to staggering levels of sexual violence.

* About 1,150 women are raped every day, or some 420,000 a year, according to a recent report in the American Journal of Public Health.

* The Congolese Women's Campaign Against Sexual Violence puts the number of rapes at 40 women a day.

* 57 pct of pregnant women are anaemic.


3. PAKISTAN

Those polled cited cultural, tribal and religious practices harmful to women, including acid attacks, child and forced marriage and punishment or retribution by stoning or other physical abuse.

* More than 1,000 women and girls are victims of "honour killings" every year, according to Pakistan's Human Rights Commission.

* 90 pct of women in Pakistan face domestic violence.

Did you notice Abu that the muslims came first and third in the debauchery stakes. Why is it you wont admit the muslim cesspool is far more disgusting than the West's?

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/06/15/idINIndia-57704120110615

Don't bother adamant. Everything bad that happens in Muslim countries is also the west's fault. Afghanistan is a good example. Pretty soon Abu or Falah will explain how under the Taliban, girls were kept out of school, which effectively prevented anyone from raping them.

Adamant wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 10:00pm:

1. AFGHANISTAN Beleaguered by insurgency, corruption and dire poverty, Afghanistan ranked as most dangerous to women overall and came out worst in three of the poll's key risk categories: health, non-sexual violence and economic discrimination. * Women in Afghanistan have a one in 11 chance of dying in childbirth. * Some 87 pct of women are illiterate. * 70-80 pct of girls and women face forced marriages.

None of this relates to spousal murders.

And one has to really question where they come up with these figures for forced marriages. What they probably mean is marriages where the families organise the match up. The "force" in it is a very subjective claim.


Adamant wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 10:00pm:

2. CONGO Still reeling from a 1998-2003 war and accompanying humanitarian disaster that killed 5.4 million, Democratic Republic of Congo ranked second due mainly to staggering levels of sexual violence. * About 1,150 women are raped every day, or some 420,000 a year, according to a recent report in the American Journal of Public Health. * The Congolese Women's Campaign Against Sexual Violence puts the number of rapes at 40 women a day. * 57 pct of pregnant women are anaemic.

This is about the closest you come to actually providing a case, yet you seem to have missed out one very important point....


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Christianity is the majority religion in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, followed by about 96% of the population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo#Religion

Dropkick  ;D


Adamant wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 10:00pm:

3. PAKISTAN Those polled cited cultural, tribal and religious practices harmful to women, including acid attacks, child and forced marriage and punishment or retribution by stoning or other physical abuse. * More than 1,000 women and girls are victims of "honour killings" every year, according to Pakistan's Human Rights Commission. * 90 pct of women in Pakistan face domestic violence. Did you notice Abu that the muslims came first and third in the debauchery stakes. Why is it you wont admit the muslim cesspool is far more disgusting than the West's? http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/06/15/idINIndia-57704120110615

It'd be interesting to know just who "those polled" really were..

Very interested to know the ultimate source for the claim 90% of Pakistani women face domestic violence.

Why did you not bother to read my statement.

Did you notice Abu that the muslims came first and third in the debauchery stakes. Why is it you wont admit the muslim cesspool is far more disgusting than the West's?

Who is the dickhead abu? I clearly stated First and Third!

Follow the link to find the source or if you are too lazy go here.

http://www.trust.org/trustlaw/womens-rights/dangerpoll/

There is a far more insightful article about the plight of the abused women of Pakistan I found it most distressing, women telling their own awful stories. Do you think they are liars.

On the night of his birth, while my whole family was celebrating, I went to my uncle's house to get more bread. I didn't know a young man was there. In the empty home, he took advantage of me; he did things that I didn't understand; he touched my chest. Before I could realize, there was a cloth over my mouth and I was being raped. I was having trouble walking back home; I felt faint and I had a headache. This happens a lot in villages. Young girls are raped, murdered, and buried. No one is able to trace them after their disappearance. If a woman is not chaste, she is unworthy of marriage. All he did is ask for forgiveness and they let him go as it was best to avoid having others find out what had happened. He didn't receive any punishment even though he ruined me. People may have forgotten what he did, but I never forgot. Now, he is married and living his life happily. I blame my own fate; I am just unlucky that this happened to me.

Read more of what muslims do to muslims here

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/to-be-a-woman-in-pakistan-six-stories-of-abuse-shame-and-survival/255585/#

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 10:51pm:

And one has to really question where they come up with these figures for forced marriages. What they probably mean is marriages where the families organise the match up. The "force" in it is a very subjective claim.

Sure.

This 11 year old has obviously been dreaming about her 40 year old husband for years.

http://www.feministe.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/01020104883100.jpg

Here is another instance of forced marriage abu.

Where Arranged Marriages Are Customary, Suicides Grow More Common


Ayman Oghanna for The New York Times

Some deaths are not suicides but honor killings. Abdella Hassan said his daughter, recently married to a cousin, had stabbed herself, but his sons are accused of her murder.

By TIM ARANGO

Published: June 6, 2012


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SINJAR, Iraq — With her father sitting nearby, 16-year-old Jenan Merza struggled to explain why she was lying in bed recovering from a gunshot wound.






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“I didn’t know the gun was loaded,” she said, resting under a red-and-gold blanket in a stark room with a bare concrete floor.

A couple of moments later, after her father left the room to fix tea and coffee, she cried softly and admitted what really happened, how she had shot herself in the abdomen with her brother’s Glock pistol after first trying with a Kalashnikov rifle — a weapon too long to point at herself and pull the trigger.

“I tried to kill myself,” she said. “I didn’t want to get married. I was forced to get engaged.”

In this desolate and tradition-bound community in the northwest corner of Iraq, at the foot of a mountain range bordering Syria, Ms. Merza’s reaction to the ancient custom of arranged marriage is becoming more common. Officials are alarmed by what they describe as a worsening epidemic of suicides, particularly among young women tormented by being forced to marry too young, to someone they do not love.

While reliable statistics on anything are hard to come by in Iraq, officials say there have been as many as 50 suicides this year in this city of 350,000 — at least double the rate in the United States — compared with 80 all of last year. The most common methods among women are self-immolation and gunshots.

Among the many explanations given, like poverty and madness, one is offered most frequently: access to the Internet and to satellite television, which came after the start of the war. This has given young women glimpses of a better life, unencumbered by the traditions that have constricted women for centuries to a life of obedience and child-rearing, one devoid of romance.

“The society had been closed, and now it is open to the rest of the world,” said Kheri Shingli, an official in a local political party and a writer and journalist. “They feel they are not living their life well compared to the rest of the world.”

Last year the International Organization for Migration conducted a study on the growing suicide problem in Sinjar, where mental health services do not exist, and concluded that “the marginalization of women and the view of the woman’s role as peripheral contributed to the recent suicides.” A report compiled this year by a researcher at a local health center concluded, “The way to solve this is to put an end to forced marriages.”

That will probably not happen soon. In assigning blame for the rise in suicides, many people here mentioned the Turkish soap opera “Forbidden Love.” A romantic drama of the upper class, it is a favorite program of women here, and some people say it provides an unrealistic example of the lives that could be available outside Sinjar.

Ms. Merza said she watched the show, and she admitted, “I wish I had that life,” but her anguish seems more basic. At 16, she wants to remain a child.

“I want to stay with my mom and not go back to my husband,” she said.

Ms. Merza’s father, Barkat Hussein, interviewed later in private, said he was aware that the shooting was not an accident.

“We gave her to her cousin less than 20 days ago,” he said. “She accepted him. Like anyone who gets married, she should be happy.”

He said he would not force her to return to her husband, who lives next door. But, he said: “I hope she will go back to him. His father is my brother.”

He, too, blamed the Turkish soap opera for his daughter’s unhappiness, and he nodded toward the room where his wife was working. “I got married to my cousin,” he said. “I wasn’t in love with her, but we are here, living together. That’s what happens here, we marry our relatives.”

Like Ms. Merza’s family, a majority of the inhabitants here are Yazidis, who speak Kurdish but adhere to a religion that combines elements of Islam and strains of ancient Persian religions. Among their beliefs is a special reverence for a figure called Melek Taus, whom Muslims regard as Satan. For this, they have often been branded as devil worshipers, which has justified historical oppression of the sect by extremist Muslims.

In 2007, Sinjar suffered the deadliest coordinated terrorist attack of the war years, when several trucks packed with explosives and driven by suicide bombers exploded, killing nearly 500 people and destroying the same number of homes, most of which were made of mud.

The town’s economy has historically relied on tobacco and figs, but neglect and war have rendered the agriculture industry dormant, and many men seek work as day laborers in the Kurdish cities of Erbil and Sulaimaniya. Its proximity to Syria means that refugees come from the west, and smugglers of cigarettes and weapons for the Syrian rebels trace their path back.

The area is a cordoned-off no man’s land, where neither the central government nor the Kurdish regional government seems to have much control.

A visitor here might notice a big blue sign on the outskirts that reads, almost mockingly, “Happy Land,” the name for a dilapidated amusement park. In the early 1970s, the opening scenes of “The Exorcist” were filmed here among the ancient Yazidi shrines.

Officials here say that some cases that are judged as suicides are actually honor killings, in which family members kill women who commit adultery or seek to marry outside their religion or class and then cover it up by claiming suicide.

“This happens, too,” said Dr. Majia Khalaf, who runs a government health center.

In one recent case, a father tried to claim that his 19-year-old daughter had stabbed herself to death, but her brothers were being held on suspicion of murder.

The father, Abdella Hassan, said that he had recently married his daughter to her cousin, and that shortly after the wedding she began “talking nonsense” and having hallucinations.

He took her to a Yazidi sheik, who said the devil had overtaken her and who advised an exorcism rite that involved covering herself in dust from a Yazidi shrine. Before the rite could be performed, the father said, he found her dead.

“I saw her happy in her marriage,” he said. “It wasn’t that.”


Duraid Adnan contributed reporting from Sinjar and Baghdad.

Muslims loving muslims don't ya just love it to death

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/07/world/middleeast/more-suicides-in-iraq-region-where-arranged-marriage-is-common.html?_r=2

Adamant wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:29pm:

He took her to a Yazidi sheik, who said the devil had overtaken her and who advised an exorcism rite that involved covering herself in dust from a Yazidi shrine. Before the rite could be performed, the father said, he found her dead... Muslims loving muslims don't ya just love it to death

You retard.

Don't you realise that Yazidis are not Muslim?


Yazidis are Zoroastrian peacock worshipers.

falah wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 8:24am:

Adamant wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 11:29pm: He took her to a Yazidi sheik, who said the devil had overtaken her and who advised an exorcism rite that involved covering herself in dust from a Yazidi shrine. Before the rite could be performed, the father said, he found her dead... Muslims loving muslims don't ya just love it to death You retard. Don't you realise that Yazidis are not Muslim? Yazidis are Zoroastrian peacock worshipers.

Peacock worsgipper? Look who's talking! You guys dance around a bloody rock!

Soren wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 8:54am:

[quote author=77707D7079110 link=1338868086/49#49 date=1339107872] Peacock worsgipper? Look who's talking! You guys dance around a bloody rock!

More lies Freeliar/Sore One?

The Ka'aba is the first temple in the world dedicated to God Almighty.


Not a rock:
http://redicecreations.com/ul_img/17157kaabacube.jpg

falah wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 8:24am:

Adamant wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 11:29pm: He took her to a Yazidi sheik, who said the devil had overtaken her and who advised an exorcism rite that involved covering herself in dust from a Yazidi shrine. Before the rite could be performed, the father said, he found her dead... Muslims loving muslims don't ya just love it to death You retard. Don't you realise that Yazidis are not Muslim? Yazidis are Zoroastrian peacock worshipers.

elements of Islam

I love it when you prove you an arrogant racist bigoted person. Your hatred of all things non muslim never ceases to amaze me. As a teacher, do you let your hatred spill over into the class room, or is it a Muslim school where the hatred is literally bread into them?

Did you read about this persons beliefs

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/06/04/218511.html

I would have thought that, with your known predisposition to young girls your blue card should have been taken away from you by now,

Go and have a look at this website to see what your most hateful religion does to its followers.

http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2012/05/30/girl-22-hangs-herself-to-death-in-ghor.html

I don't think you will look at it though Falah because it paints a totally different picture to your lies on the subject, also it is run by the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA). So in your eyes it has nothing going for it!

I remember reading an article on the rates of anal gonorrhea in Afghan men. they did not think of anal sex as a homosexual act. One of the men said "you sleep with women for babies you sleep with men for pleasure"! I think that statement sums up the reason why women's lives are so miserable under islam.

lol

trying to demonstrate a religion's absurdity by pointing out its admittedly genuinely absurd customs pretty much opens the floodgates for all religions though

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 12:18am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:04pm: abu_rashid wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:59pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 7:43pm: the only thing 12 yr olds should be doing is playing with their dolls or bikes .... any parent who wants to marry off his / her kids at the age of 12 should be imprisoned for life ... the same sentence they give their kids Or, as in the Western "culture", they should be out getting pregnant to their boyfriends, so they can get their welfare cheques and baby bonuses. Lol. Yeah, these prego, dole bludging 12 year olds are everywhere. Well here's a few interesting facts about Western society and pregnancy: Since 2001, 31% of babies born in Australia have been born to unmarried mothers. The results of the 2010 United States Census showed that 27% of children live with one parent, Countries located in Asia and the Middle East are the least likely to have children raised in single parent households. Along with this, the areas where there are an extremely high number of children living in single parent homes include Africa, Europe, Latin America, North America, and Oceania. (Interestingly the most Christian parts of the world, rich or poor, educated or not). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_parent

How many of those are 12 year olds on welfare?


Anyway, the answer to this problem is not Islam. That's a sure way to send the country to the sh*tter real quick.
The problem is more about installing respect, responsibility, and self-discipline in the youth. How this is to be done is by wrestling the control of institutions from the leftists.

Adamant wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

falah wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 8:24am: Adamant wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 11:29pm: He took her to a Yazidi sheik, who said the devil had overtaken her and who advised an exorcism rite that involved covering herself in dust from a Yazidi shrine. Before the rite could be performed, the father said, he found her dead... Muslims loving muslims don't ya just love it to death You retard. Don't you realise that Yazidis are not Muslim? Yazidis are Zoroastrian peacock worshipers. elements of Islam

You goose, you still don't get it. Yazidis are not Muslim.


Adamant wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

it is run by the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA).

You are right on that one. I do not pay much attention to communist propaganda.

JC Denton wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 11:23am:

lol trying to demonstrate a religion's absurdity by pointing out its admittedly genuinely absurd customs pretty much opens the floodgates for all religions though

Well, that's OK. If a religion is more about the ritual than the heart of the matter, then  it needs to have the disinfectant sunlight of reason and soul shone on it. Some rituals are honourable, soulful, life-giving and replenishing, others stupid, suffocating or worse. Religion is not about rituals, even as it has rituals.

Adamant wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 11:29pm:

SINJAR, Iraq — With her father sitting nearby, 16-year-old Jenan Merza struggled to explain why she was lying in bed recovering from a gunshot wound.

Still posting stories about non-Muslims I see, and ignorantly attributing it to Islam.

It seems to me it's the dirty minded sniggering men in islamic society that set themselves up as judges  and condemn women to death.
That's why we don't want you here.

bludger wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 5:56pm:

It seems to me it's the dirty minded sniggering men in islamic society that set themselves up as judges  and condemn women to death. That's why we don't want you here.

Most people are not as ignorant as you.