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Message started by nairbe on May 25th, 2012 at 7:19am

Title: Bully Check?
Post by nairbe on May 25th, 2012 at 7:19am
The State Government are really doing lazy policy. This is a pure case of laziness in a lame attempt to do something about bullying.

This has near no chance of doing anything except creating more problems for a group of people who despite being bullies were more than most likely also victims when children from bettering their lives.

"Under the BullyCheck system, to be launched today, 12 large employers of people aged from 17 to 22 will be asked to allow reference checks from their schools to determine if they were bullies. Should they fail this character test, they won't be employed."

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/bullycheck-policy-a-legal-minefield/story-e6frfkvr-1226366295535#ixzz1vpAb8EYf

Typical big brother attitude, if you don't do anything wrong you won't have to worry.

http://www.news.com.au/national/bullycheck-policy-a-legal-minefield/story-e6frfkvr-1226366295535

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by pansi1951 on May 25th, 2012 at 8:14am
LOL, have they taken a look at parliament and government departments. Health and Education have always been renowned for their fierce bullying practices.

I can vouch for Qld Education, they must be numero uno on the bully scale.

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by Kat on May 25th, 2012 at 8:33am


Yet another Pearler from the Ministry of Stupid Ideas......

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by nairbe on May 25th, 2012 at 5:47pm
Amazing, here is a clear example of stupid policy worth a debate and what nothing. Yet the 2000th thompson thread has gone up and the hate posts continue. I real question this site. it has become obsessed with self hate and anger.

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by The tolerator on May 25th, 2012 at 5:58pm
I don't understand why a government should even attempt to do anything about bullying.  Wherever there are social interactions between 2 or more parties, 1 will dominate the other(s) sometimes more than they should.  It's not a governments job to regulate personal interactions. 

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by Deathridesahorse on May 25th, 2012 at 6:12pm

... wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 5:58pm:
I don't understand why a government should even attempt to do anything about bullying.  Wherever there are social interactions between 2 or more parties, 1 will dominate the other(s) sometimes more than they should.  It's not a governments job to regulate personal interactions. 

Um, DUTY OF CARE!

YEH, GO TOLERATOR!

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Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by freediver on May 25th, 2012 at 6:22pm
I think many of the initiatives within schools have been good. They have definitely produced outcomes.

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by Baronvonrort on May 25th, 2012 at 7:18pm

freediver wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 6:22pm:
I think many of the initiatives within schools have been good. They have definitely produced outcomes.


Does anyone else see the rise in childhood obesity after the crackdown on schoolyard bullies?

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by pansi1951 on May 25th, 2012 at 7:21pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:18pm:

freediver wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 6:22pm:
I think many of the initiatives within schools have been good. They have definitely produced outcomes.


Does anyone else see the rise in childhood obesity after the crackdown on schoolyard bullies?


Yeah the fat bullies are not taking junk food off the other kids anymore, so instead of a couple of fat bullies, we have lots of obese kids.

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by nairbe on May 25th, 2012 at 7:30pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:18pm:

freediver wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 6:22pm:
I think many of the initiatives within schools have been good. They have definitely produced outcomes.


Does anyone else see the rise in childhood obesity after the crackdown on schoolyard bullies?


Yeah the fat bullies are not taking junk food off the other kids anymore, so instead of a couple of fat bullies, we have lots of obese kids.


MMM now there is an interesting thought. I actually had more thoughts than that, that this is a punishment for a child's behaviour, and that most child bullies are actually bullied at home or come from troubled homes. But most of all i was appalled that a Government would involve itself in such cheap point scoring over the lives of young people when it is lacking the true courage to face the real problem of childhood abuse and domestic disfunction.

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by dsmithy70 on May 25th, 2012 at 7:59pm
The first time a person finds out they were rejected for employment by a school recommendation the ligation will start.
I seem to have a fuzy memory of a case already where someone was sued for a bad reference.


Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by Soren on May 25th, 2012 at 8:26pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:59pm:
The first time a person finds out they were rejected for employment by a school recommendation the ligation will start.
I seem to have a fuzy memory of a case already where someone was sued for a bad reference.


That's typical bullying behaviour.


Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by nairbe on May 25th, 2012 at 8:33pm

Soren wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:26pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:59pm:
The first time a person finds out they were rejected for employment by a school recommendation the ligation will start.
I seem to have a fuzy memory of a case already where someone was sued for a bad reference.


That's typical bullying behaviour.


What is bullying behaviour?  maybe you would like to clarify your statement. It would seem more likely that you are trying to develop the standard loop approach to anything you don't understand and trash it.

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by Soren on May 25th, 2012 at 11:40pm

nairbe wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:33pm:

Soren wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:26pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:59pm:
The first time a person finds out they were rejected for employment by a school recommendation the ligation will start.
I seem to have a fuzy memory of a case already where someone was sued for a bad reference.


That's typical bullying behaviour.


What is bullying behaviour?  maybe you would like to clarify your statement. It would seem more likely that you are trying to develop the standard loop approach to anything you don't understand and trash it.


A bully sueing for being called a bully - typical bullying behaviour.




Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by Spot of Borg on May 26th, 2012 at 9:07am
The fat ones are usually the ones that are picked on because they are a minority. The "epidemic" is far from that. As I said before I live across the road form a school and my sister works @ another school and neither school has more than maybe 1 fat kid. Thats not an epidemic.

On the other hand one of my sisters kids is a bit of a bully @ school apparently. They are dealing with him by putting him in "leadership" classes. Yeah! Wow! That sounds like a great idea! Teach him how to boss ppl around!

SOB

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by freediver on May 26th, 2012 at 9:11am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_Australia

The percentage of overweight and obese children in Australia, despite heavy increases in the 1980s and the first half of the 1990s, have remained mostly steady for the past 10 years, with 23 to 24% of Australians under the age of 18 classified as overweight, and 5 to 6% of the same demographic classified as obese.

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by Spot of Borg on May 26th, 2012 at 10:00am

freediver wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 9:11am:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_Australia

The percentage of overweight and obese children in Australia, despite heavy increases in the 1980s and the first half of the 1990s, have remained mostly steady for the past 10 years, with 23 to 24% of Australians under the age of 18 classified as overweight, and 5 to 6% of the same demographic classified as obese.


Well I am going by the evidence of my own eyes here. Since what I *see* isnt the same as what wikipedia says I have to assume there is something wrong with the stats. I expect this is the fact that they lowered the weight measuring system to include "normal" kids as overweight. Gotta make everyone skeletons.

SOB

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by freediver on May 26th, 2012 at 11:44am
Either that or you see so many fat people you think it is normal to be unhealthy.

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by pansi1951 on May 26th, 2012 at 11:56am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 10:00am:

freediver wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 9:11am:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_Australia

The percentage of overweight and obese children in Australia, despite heavy increases in the 1980s and the first half of the 1990s, have remained mostly steady for the past 10 years, with 23 to 24% of Australians under the age of 18 classified as overweight, and 5 to 6% of the same demographic classified as obese.


Well I am going by the evidence of my own eyes here. Since what I *see* isnt the same as what wikipedia says I have to assume there is something wrong with the stats. I expect this is the fact that they lowered the weight measuring system to include "normal" kids as overweight. Gotta make everyone skeletons.

SOB



There was a very small percentage of obese or even overweight kids in the class I was involved with earlier in the year.

None obese
two overweight
eighteen normal weight for size
four underweight

The obese kids must be in the city schools. Maybe the government don't want to abolish their health and dietary advertising programs, so they fudge the figures.

I would imagine if there were 24 adults in the room, the figures for overweight would be higher. I'm talking about my perception of normal weight ranges, not the glossy magazines view which would have 99% of the population as obese.

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by nairbe on May 26th, 2012 at 7:00pm

Soren wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 11:40pm:

nairbe wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:33pm:

Soren wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:26pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:59pm:
The first time a person finds out they were rejected for employment by a school recommendation the ligation will start.
I seem to have a fuzy memory of a case already where someone was sued for a bad reference.


That's typical bullying behaviour.


What is bullying behaviour?  maybe you would like to clarify your statement. It would seem more likely that you are trying to develop the standard loop approach to anything you don't understand and trash it.


A bully sueing for being called a bully - typical bullying behaviour.


In the end i can not judge on bullying as i was not bullied in my eyes when at school or younger, i was bullied a bit when an apprentice but i walked as i won't put up with that crap and karma did the rest.

An adult that bullies has no excuse but i have run over this already, children that bully are almost always bullied at home one way or another. This problem requires the courage to face up to the problem not the symtom and certainly not punish them latter for the failure of the school system and community standards

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by bobbythebat1 on May 26th, 2012 at 7:18pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:18pm:

freediver wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 6:22pm:
I think many of the initiatives within schools have been good. They have definitely produced outcomes.


Does anyone else see the rise in childhood obesity after the crackdown on schoolyard bullies?


Yeah the fat bullies are not taking junk food off the other kids anymore, so instead of a couple of fat bullies, we have lots of obese kids.



That's funny.
;D

Title: Re: Bully Check?
Post by Mnemonic on May 27th, 2012 at 3:51pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:21pm:
Yeah the fat bullies are not taking junk food off the other kids anymore, so instead of a couple of fat bullies, we have lots of obese kids.


Rampant individualism leads to an over-consumption crisis. Bullies may have a purpose in the eco-system, deciding how to distribute energy and resources effectively. What happens in the playground could very well be a microcosm of the world as a whole. That's what Steve Jobs was for, and we all know what his management style was like.

Dictators are brilliant at conserving energy and resources.


nairbe wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 7:00pm:
An adult that bullies has no excuse but i have run over this already, children that bully are almost always bullied at home one way or another. This problem requires the courage to face up to the problem not the symtom and certainly not punish them latter for the failure of the school system and community standards


Yeah I agree. I don't think people should be punished for bullying in their childhood or adolescence. People grow out of that stuff. It's the people who don't grow out of it who are the problem.


freediver wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 11:44am:
Either that or you see so many fat people you think it is normal to be unhealthy.


I see so many skinny people it seems like everyone is dieting. The thing is, I like chubbiness in women (but not too chubby though, there needs to be a balance). I haven't had a crush for a long time because of the kinds of body shapes I've been seeing. I'm still waiting for the right kind of body. Too many skeletons and not enough balloons. :D


Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 7:18pm:
That's funny. ;D


That's the first time I've seen you laugh online.


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