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Title: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 9:47am
Hi All, just thought I'd release some of my frustrations and thoughts. I'm not meaning to offend anyone by saying what is my opinion.
Why should we have to pay for all the dole bludgers out there that do nothing? (AND ENJOY DOING NOTHING) There are so many jobs out there but they choose not to do anything. Work at Maccas, be a labourer... do something!! Why should we have to pay for "Opal Petrol" so that the Aboriginal youth don't sniff it? It's not our responsibility to stop them from killing themselves. They'll find some way to do it and then we'll have to pay for that too!! I am definitely not a racist person far from it, I have lots of friends from different countries, races, and cultures but surely there needs to be something done about this government we have and their sneaky way to get money from us hard working people. I understand why we pay our taxes but it should be used to benefit the people actually PAYING the taxes!!.... (and not for MP's to go to the Prostitutes) Why should we have to pay for all the illegal immigrants coming into our country? These "refugees" that come here illegally are living in Brunswick St, Fitzroy and in Carlton (both in Melbourne) these areas if you're not familiar with it are the most expensive areas in Victoria. Tax payers that work their bums off could never afford to live in these areas ever in our lives, yet here we have illegal immigrants living in these areas getting benefits and hard working people are paying for it!.... And you wonder why we get boat loads of them coming... They know they have it good! Then we're paying for the new "asylum seekers" to be held in detention centers!! Either come here legally or ship them back home, don't keep them locked up and make us pay for it. Even prisoners... Rapist, Murderers, Child molesters are living better than we are in jail! Steaks for dinner, Big screen TV's, Gyms, getting paid for being in there, fake identities for when their released. And if our "leaders" of our country are so worried about the health of the people that we need to put in a carbon tax in (which is ridiculous) if the government was serious they should ban smoking and all the billions of dollars they have made from that should be used to rehabilitate the people affected. Don't fuel their addiction and KILL people!! We seem to be helping everyone else but where's our help? I need to support myself and I feel like I'm supporting other people. I need to look after myself not other people who don't deserve it or appreciate it. This country is becoming a joke... Where is the logic? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Greens_Win on May 15th, 2012 at 9:56am
Welcome aboard commonscent. Always nice to see another logical mouth piece for the extremist right.
If financial return is required to value a person (unemployed receiving the dole), do you support the execution of all children with any kind of birth defects ... so your taxes are not wasted? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Spot of Borg on May 15th, 2012 at 10:00am
Do you really think the libs would change any of that?
SOB |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by skippy. on May 15th, 2012 at 10:10am Quote:
It does have a common scent,doesn't it. I wonder why the matty sock got banned? ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by pansi1951 on May 15th, 2012 at 10:14am
We can smell that commonscent a mile off, same putrid odour permeating through the forum.
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 10:15am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:14am:
Kinda like the rabid hatred of Americans scent you give off? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 10:15am ____ wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 9:56am:
Thanks for the welcome greens_lose... I'm sorry but your argument makes no sense what so ever... I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say with your irrational reply but I'll give a response a go in simpler form for you.... I clearly stated that people CHOOSING not to work are receiving our hard earned money. If there is a child with a birth defect by all means I would be happy that my tax payers money go towards supporting them. After all, it's not their choice to have a defect. But it is some peoples choices not to work and that's what I am talking about |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 10:17am Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:15am:
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 10:21am CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:17am:
These imbeciles are clearly the ones i mentioned in my post. One-eyed labour supporters that are too scared to have an opinion or see the real facts! Do they think it is a coincidence that labour have only been in power for maybe 10 of the last 50 years? They might as well enjoy it while they can because at the end of 2013 it will be over |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Greens_Win on May 15th, 2012 at 10:22am CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:15am:
And what of the unemployed who is unemployed via bad economic decisions by his last employee and the current liberal state government ... on top of high local unemployment rates. Why punish them financially while they are looking for a job. Is it because compassion is applied, only when it suits you. Does your compassion filter down to the children of the unemployed, you want to financially cripple? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 10:23am
and you're all quick to pounce but I still haven't heard a logical reply as to why we should have to pay for these bums, illegal immigrants and crims?
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Greens_Win on May 15th, 2012 at 10:25am CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:23am:
I just asked commonscent, why do you want to inflict cruel revenge onto the children of the unemployed. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 10:26am ____ wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:22am:
Come on greens... some of them have been "looking for jobs" for the last 3 years... get real. don't start a sob story just face the facts that if you have children you do ANYTHING you can to support them. ANY job possible. These people love doing nothing and getting paid for it. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 10:27am
and what example does that set for their children?
Where would you draw the line? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Frances on May 15th, 2012 at 10:31am CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:21am:
Looks like you can't add up. The score is more like Liberals 29½, Labor 20½. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 10:33am Frances wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:31am:
Lucky I said "maybe" then lol Thanks for just proving that liberal have been the stronger party anyway :P |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 10:39am CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 9:47am:
If you don't like it you're welcome to bugger off somewhere else then. Andrei speaks very highly of his cesspit country so maybe you could try there. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 10:40am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:39am:
Imagine if people took that attitude to you when you guys turned up from Italy? Be a little more tolerant of other views please. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 10:44am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:39am:
So everything I mentioned is ok is it? You're happy paying for everything when you get no help.... Then again, you probably get all the benefits too |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 10:47am Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:40am:
bugger of Andrei. When you live here you get to comment. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 10:48am Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:40am:
Very rude and defensive aren't they :P hehe can't wait for the libs to get back in and listen to them complain about "what a joke" our country is muhaha ;D muhahhahahaha ;D |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 10:48am CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:44am:
Correct. And of course, a loser like you could only imagine supporting a safety net out of self interest, eh matty? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 10:49am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:47am:
Australians who don't live in Australia are excluded but Italians in Australia are?? Random viewpoint there Mario. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 10:50am CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:48am:
They've always been like that in my experience. Hotheaded. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Spot of Borg on May 15th, 2012 at 10:50am Quote:
Nobody loves the dole. Its been proven that its not enough to live on. BTW you never answered me. Do you really think the libs will change any of this? SOB |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 10:51am Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:49am:
Can't get anything right can you loser? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by The tolerator on May 15th, 2012 at 10:52am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:39am:
Or in other words "If you don't love it, leave." Cute, but foolish to the extreme. If all dissenters were to leave, that'd just leave the compliant rubes like Gits, and the country would continue its downward spiral unabated. Why so sensitive on the criticism? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 10:53am
I am merely asking you to show a little tolerance to other people.
Imagine if locals told you to p*ss off back to Italy when you came to Australia? How would you have liked that? Tolerance. Look it up. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 10:54am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:48am:
sounds like you are the loser!! ;D you have no balls, and just throw away your money without having an opinion... because the government says jump you say how high!!! haha and matty? wtf you must be smoking weed with greens and the other hippys running (sorry ruining) this country... who the f**k is matty? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 10:56am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:50am:
enough for their smokes so they're happy... i have spoken to heaps of "dole bludgers" who have all said the same thing. who knows if they'll change everything but they were tougher and had some balls compared to the vaginas running this country |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 10:57am ... wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:52am:
AGREED!!! And now we have another logical person here |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 10:57am ... wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:52am:
Absolutely. It's an abysmal attitude to carry. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 11:01am
Are we not allowed the freedom of speech and our personal opinions which OUR great country offers with all the benefits to losers
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 11:02am Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:53am:
Imagine? I don't have to imagine anything you fool! It was done on a daily basis Andrei. Me, my parents. Meh! Big deal. Intolerance - learn to live with it or bugger off somewhere else. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Frances on May 15th, 2012 at 11:03am Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:53am:
I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few of them did. A lot of Australians (especially the older generation) are like that. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 11:03am ... wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:52am:
What? Are you saying you don't have the sticker on your car Wesley? It's right next to your southern cross sticker innit? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by The tolerator on May 15th, 2012 at 11:04am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:02am:
Break the cycle gits. Break the cycle. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 11:05am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:02am:
Well Gist on a serious note, I'm assuming you and your parents came here legally (and that's great) and received no help what-so-ever. Is it fair that you and your parents worked hard for everything you have and now you're paying for illegal immigrants to live in luxury areas? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 11:06am CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:56am:
That was the guy down the street and his sister wasn't it? The sister hassled you for money and you handed it over without a word. And you've been stewing ever since. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by corporate_whitey on May 15th, 2012 at 11:06am CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 9:47am:
somebody at the Greens and the ALP trying to morally debase Australian families and culture and sponsor the invasion of my country wrote this propaganda...probable paid by the USA. :P |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 11:07am CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:05am:
No it isn't. Those illegal immigrant should go back to New Zealand where they came from. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 11:07am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:02am:
And thats an excuse for you to perpetuate intolerance? Be a little more open minded and allow other opinions. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 11:08am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:07am:
Leave woody out of this. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 11:09am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:06am:
LOL!!! You're clutching at straws now!! Absolutely ridiculous and desperate reply hahaha You know I'm right and you can't face it! |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 11:11am CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:09am:
You know I'm right matty and you can't face it. Karnal will be glad to see you're back. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 11:13am Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:07am:
But that's my opinion. Why should I not be allowed to put my opinion? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 11:13am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:07am:
I'm glad you've admitted it's not fair. If NZ come here legally great it's the people that come here illegally which I'm talking about. And if you come to this country you should be able to speak, write and communicate with everyone. Get a job and don't need to be supported! |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 11:15am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:11am:
lol no idea who any of these people are lol i know what's happening... you know you're losing this argument so you start saying random sh!t ;) |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 11:18am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:13am:
Because "If you don't like it, shut up or p*ss off" is not how things in a free open democracy work. I would have thought being of the sort that may have experienced some intolerance may have taught you its not the way to do things. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 11:23am Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:18am:
OWNED!! Game, Set and Match Andrei!! ;) |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 11:27am ... wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:04am:
Cycle? No wesley there's no cycle. It'd be a cycle if I were to rail against new immigrants. It'd be a cycle if I were to be calling for the removal of asylum seekers. If I were demanding they be forced to speak and write English (it'd be nice if some of you "aussies" learned to speak and write english). If I were to do these and other things, it'd be a cycle. But I don't. I'm railing against so-called aussies instead. I say so-called because they're not really aussies. Real aussies are like our neighbours when I was growing up. Ready to give people a fair go. They're like old Joy next door who was as Australian as they come. A country girl and hugely accepting of us and anyone else trying to make a life in this country. She was a real aussie. Some of the people here aren't. They need to bugger off somewhere else. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 11:29am CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:23am:
If only Andrei wasn't the least tolerant person on this board he may have made a point. But once again, you're wrong matty. As usual. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by The tolerator on May 15th, 2012 at 11:38am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:27am:
What we're you just saying? If you don't like it, feel free to bugger off, or soemthing along those lines wasn't it? So you gonna take your own advice, or just be a hypocrite? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 11:39am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:29am:
once again gist you and your mates clutching at straws and completely off the original topic... |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 11:40am ... wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:38am:
I was going to add my own point but I cannot put it better than this. "If you don't like it you can f**k off somewhere else" is showing what other than intolerance?? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 15th, 2012 at 11:40am ... wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:38am:
SNAP!!! ONCE AGAIN OWNED! Gist just give up, you're digging an even deeper hole |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 11:45am ... wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:38am:
But I like it here just fine wesley. Where did I say I didn't? :D |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 11:46am CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:40am:
Poor matty. If you hadn't been born brain dead you may have actually understood what is being said. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 11:48am Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:40am:
Did you read what I said? Where did I say I was being tolerant? Or wanted to be tolerant? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by The tolerator on May 15th, 2012 at 11:48am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:45am:
YAAAAAWN.. Australia would be a great place if it weren't for all the australians eh? Curious as to what makes someone a 'real aussie' though. Let me guess - a "real aussie" is someone who agrees with you? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 11:48am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:45am:
That's not the point being made. The point is that people who have a different opinion to you are entitled to hold and voice that opinion. Saying people should "bugger off if they don't like it" shows gross intolerance of others and their opinions. Now being of a people which in years gone by made have been subjected to intolerance from others in Australia makes it even more unacceptable in my mind from those who at least may have the excuse that they never experienced it. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 11:49am Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:48am:
You would like to live in a society completely intolerant of others' views and with a "like it or leave" attitude would you? You're not related to Mussolini are you? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 11:57am ... wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:48am:
Close. Australia would be a great place if it weren't for the growing number of bogans. Mind you, bogans are not uniquely "aussie" they can come from anywhere. Cue Andrei... |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 12:00pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 11:48am:
But I don't give a rats what is or is not acceptable in your mind Andrei. Too bad you don't have the nouse to comprehend this simple point. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by The tolerator on May 15th, 2012 at 12:01pm
Boganism is the very essence of australia.
If you don't like it...........whaddya do? :-/ |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 12:03pm ... wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 12:01pm:
Rub it in your face, of course! ;D |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by The tolerator on May 15th, 2012 at 12:04pm Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 12:03pm:
Rub what in my face? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 12:06pm Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 12:00pm:
It's not my mind. Acceptance of other's opinions and their right to voice them is engrained in the ethos of all open, free, democratic nations. I would have thought though that as someone who may have suffered from intolerance you would not be inclined to perpetuate the cycle. Personally despite being of overseas-born parents and having an English accent, I can't say I have suffered any intolerance from Aussies, other than the odd jibes about sport. However now since we generally belt the Aussies out of sight in rugby and cricket, even that is no longer an issue for me. As I said, I would expect though better from someone who has suffered intolerance in the past. It's not my mind - it is accepted common practice in an open society. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by buzzanddidj on May 15th, 2012 at 12:19pm CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 9:47am:
THIS COUNTRY ... buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:31am:
We have MUCH to be PROUD of ... and MUCH to be BLESSED with |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 12:21pm ... wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 12:04pm:
Boganism of course. I bogan the bogans. I am the reverse bogan. ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 12:26pm buzzanddidj wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 12:19pm:
Ah, actually I said before that nobody ever called me a foreigner. I take it back - this gentleman is the only guy to ever accuse me of being 'foreign'. Fortunately the Australian Government, when noting my place of birth, did not feel the same when issuing my passport. In regards to intolerance of others gist, you have soulmate in the old Queen from the caravan. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by buzzanddidj on May 15th, 2012 at 12:55pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 12:26pm:
You are FOREIGN by DESIGN You are AUSTRALIAN by INVOICE ( ... and NQR condom) You HATE Australia ( ... "SH!T-hole" was your description ?) You HATE Australians ( ... "common" and "bogan" ?) Yet you can't live WITHOUT us ? STILL posting from your La Jollian GATED COMMUNITY You make a "fine American" You made a "crap Australian" |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 1:00pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 12:26pm:
And pleased I am in that. Whereas you.. well, you don't actually have an Australian passport, do you nong? And the only thing Australian about you is the money you suck out of this country. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by darkhall67 on May 15th, 2012 at 1:03pm CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 9:47am:
No no. Of course you're not. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by The tolerator on May 15th, 2012 at 1:06pm Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 1:00pm:
You could say the same about your darling blow-ins. But you wouldn't dare, would you? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 1:15pm
My darling was never a blow-in wesley. Born and bred in this country, she can trace her lineage here back quite a few generations. Grandfather fought in the war, great grandfather in the great war, siblings currently serving in the ADF.
Can't think of anyone in her family who wouldn't think people like you are scum. Imagine that. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by The tolerator on May 15th, 2012 at 1:20pm Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 1:15pm:
You've completely misinterpreted that, but, as the tolerator I am happy to make concessions for the mentally challenged. What do you mean by "people like me" gits? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 1:27pm ... wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 1:20pm:
Have I? Do you really think so? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 1:29pm ... wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 1:06pm:
Could have sworn that blue book in my drawer was an Australian passport.... |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by buzzanddidj on May 15th, 2012 at 1:33pm ... wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 1:20pm:
Penny Wong, whose partner Sophie had a baby last December, took exception to this. When you say those things Joe, what youre saying to me and people like me is that the most important thing in our lives the people we love is somehow less good, less valued. http://www.samesame.com.au/news/local/8404/Penny-Wong-I-know-what-my-family-is-worth.htm |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 1:36pm buzzanddidj wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 1:33pm:
We talking about the Penny Wong who supported marriage being between only a male and female or some other Penny Wong? :) |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by The tolerator on May 15th, 2012 at 1:40pm buzzanddidj wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 1:33pm:
No no, as people they are "worth" the same as anyone else. But their relationship has no utility as child-bearing ones do. It's very basic stuff - you should have known this even before you started primary school, so why play dumb now? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by corporate_whitey on May 15th, 2012 at 1:40pm
Why do the Greens and the ALP work for the CIA and the corporate maggot and put pokie machines, drugs, alcohol, porn, brothels and fast food restaurants in all working class suburbs? :P
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by skippy. on May 15th, 2012 at 1:57pm CommonSense wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:54am:
You can ALWAYS spot a mellie/matty/old sault/swagmen/juliar et al sock a mile away, she is so egotistical she cannot resist asking who her socks are, she does it every time. Love ya Mel. ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Frances on May 15th, 2012 at 2:14pm skippy. wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 1:57pm:
Or maybe they're just people with similar opinions. I don't know about the others, but I think you'll find that swagman isn't anyone elses "sock" nor does he have any "socks" of his own. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 15th, 2012 at 2:17pm
I don't know what obsession with socks and the like is on here to be honest.
If someone has that much time on their hands (or to be honest some kind of split personality disorder) to create multiple profiles on here then so be it. I think its madness but there you go. Each to their own. I guess there's that tolerance thing again.... |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by john_g on May 15th, 2012 at 4:20pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 2:17pm:
Agreed, but I actually don't think that they are 'socks'. Skippy is always going on about socks, but I don't think that any of those are socks. As Frances said, they are probably just people with similar opinions. I don't know who Mellie is, but I do know the others, and though their opinions are similar, think that they are different people. The whole 'sock' thing really irritates me. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by skippy. on May 15th, 2012 at 4:26pm Frances wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 2:14pm:
That doesn't surprise me, you never struck me as someone with much perception. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by angeleyes on May 15th, 2012 at 4:38pm
Australians who don't live in Australia are excluded but Italians in Australia are??
Random viewpoint there Mario. Gist is Italian. Oh my god. How is the fruit and vegie shop going? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 15th, 2012 at 4:56pm angeleyes wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 4:38pm:
Pretty good thanks. Thanks for asking. How's the lunatic asylum going? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by angeleyes on May 15th, 2012 at 5:09pm Gist wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 4:56pm:
It's real cool. Three lovely meals a day, noice bed. I even get to walk around in a crash helmit incase I fall over. noice games like twister where we get to have our arms and legs over the boys, some of the boys even tough my boobies. We also play pin the tail on the donkey, do you like donkeys Gist? I think they are noice. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by skippy. on May 15th, 2012 at 6:06pm angeleyes wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 5:09pm:
LOL that's hilarious "angle eyes" thanks for sharing YOUR day with us. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 16th, 2012 at 7:22am
they just can't hack it that more than 5 people have the same opinion..... I'm sure there's lots of people out there would have the same opinion. All you greeny's and weak as piss labour people, I must start calling you all Julia/craig/wayne....
and i understand why you're all angry... it's because you won't be the leaders come end of 2013. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D julia will be sacked wayne will backstab her and craig... well he'll just be having fun with his OWN money this time at the pros. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by lisa.greek on May 16th, 2012 at 8:13am CommonSense wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 7:22am:
Matty.....it's LABOR lovey not Labour. Get it right sweetie.... |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by skippy. on May 16th, 2012 at 8:24am lisa.greek wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 8:13am:
Yea, its matty et al, most of us have picked that. I've noticed its always the rightards or the stupid that are oblivious to the sox. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 16th, 2012 at 1:49pm lisa.greek wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 8:13am:
don't care... because regardless you're losers!! and yeah ok i'll be "matty", honestly i have NO IDEA WHAT ANY OF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN REGARDS TO THAT THOUGH... |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 16th, 2012 at 2:18pm CommonSense wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 1:49pm:
Matty! Thank heavens you're back. No one's been around to defend the rights of decent people since you've been away - no Libs/Greens, anyway. Now - we've finally got an election to fight. I'm thinking Bob Katter's party. Thoughts? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by corporate_whitey on May 16th, 2012 at 2:24pm
You gotta love the Greens and JuLIARS attitude...play Santa clause with the worlds victims of injustice and kick Aussies out of their jobs, off the dole and kick 'em in the guts while you make money pushing vice onto them...great stuff Greens and ALP, great stuff JuLIAR.
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 16th, 2012 at 3:58pm corporate_whitey wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 2:24pm:
Yes, but we'll have another government in a year's time. We'll get to vote in a party that acts in the interest of all Australians. That's the beauty of democracy. Is One Nation still going, Matty? If not, could we do a bit of a rebadge job? I'm thinking Uno Nation. People will think it's Italian. We could run in some salami-eating electorate and clean up. Our policy could still be one nation - no boongs, Asians, wogs, etc. We could go for the mainstream, centre vote. Please have a think about it. It saves all that nasty preselection haggling and backstabbing. You wouldn't have to offer all those factions and power-players deals. You'd be your own man. True, the electorate might get a bit stroppy - they always do - but surely you could offer them free pizza or something. Thoughts? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by adelcrow on May 16th, 2012 at 4:02pm
I'm concerned that all these personalities may come back to haunt Matty when he gets a seat after the next election.
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Frances on May 16th, 2012 at 4:03pm
Can someone explain to me how the government is making money by pushing vice onto Australians?
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 16th, 2012 at 4:27pm adelcrow wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 4:02pm:
Not at all. However, if we can all agree not to quote Matty when he get's in, there should be no problems. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by corporate_whitey on May 16th, 2012 at 4:36pm Frances wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 4:03pm:
Its called tax and wealth redistribution through vice. Now are you so uneducated you do not understand the sorry legacy of Western Government morally degrading people they are colonizing or destroying with vice? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by adelcrow on May 16th, 2012 at 4:37pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 4:27pm:
For the sake of the country |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 16th, 2012 at 4:50pm adelcrow wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 4:37pm:
Exactly. Matty's policy is to govern in the interest of all Australians. I'm sure everyone agrees that we must restore sober and responsible government to the Australian people. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Frances on May 16th, 2012 at 4:52pm corporate_whitey wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 4:36pm:
You have said that the government is pushing vice onto Australians and, furthermore, that it is making money by these means. Your answer does not explain anything in relation to the question I asked. Do you seriously expect people to believe you if you can't tell us what you're on about? What are these vices? How is the government pushing them on Australians? How is this making money for the government? Do you have any examples? Oh yes, and I think you might find that I'm considerably better educated than you are. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by corporate_whitey on May 16th, 2012 at 4:53pm Frances wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 4:52pm:
Google it. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by corporate_whitey on May 16th, 2012 at 4:55pm
The ALP and Greens want to be able to profit by the sale of drugs of addiction to Australian families...I heard them openly say this...
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 16th, 2012 at 5:02pm Frances wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 4:52pm:
Retail confidence, property prices, the foreign trade surplus, the manufacturing sector, the value of the Australian dollar - and economic growth in general. These are all things the government and the Reserve Bank seek to influence. Is greed and ursury vice? Is self-interest a virtue? See the Bible and Adam Smith's the Wealth of Nations for the answer. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 16th, 2012 at 5:03pm corporate_whitey wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 4:55pm:
Antibiotics? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Frances on May 16th, 2012 at 5:10pm corporate_whitey wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 4:53pm:
In other words you don't have anything to support what you said? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by john_g on May 16th, 2012 at 7:50pm adelcrow wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 4:02pm:
I doubt that it's Matty. It's probably just someone with somewhat similar views. Too many differences, in my opinion. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 16th, 2012 at 11:00pm john_g wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 7:50pm:
Yes, but it's clearly someone in the Libs who has attended a number of Greens meetings - in Toni Wright-Turner's despicable fiefdom of Hornsby, and Ryde - near the shops. It's also someone studying Medical Science in the Northern Territory - someone, it needs to be said, who is aspiring to the healthy income of the specialist. And yet, it is someone with ambition; someone who wishes to enter the fray of party politics. A moderate, yes, a centrist who wishes to serve the moral majority of this great nation. In short, there can be only one person: Matty. Besides, he told me he wanted a new identity. He said he was going to Hong Kong to get a few suits made up and he might pick up a wig if he could get one cheap. I must say, there's nothing wrong with going bald. Look at what it's done for Peter Garrett. There are a number of high-earning specialists with alopecia. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by corporate_whitey on May 16th, 2012 at 11:20pm
The Greens and the ALP vice traders want to fund their superannuation with revenues raised from selling drugs to addicts in our communities/
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by corporate_whitey on May 16th, 2012 at 11:21pm
Even the corporate maggot would blush at that level of shamelessness.
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Gist on May 17th, 2012 at 12:11am corporate_whitey wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 11:21pm:
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 11:18am
Where is Matty? He hasn't been around for ages.
If ever there was a time when the voice of reason was needed on this forum, it's now. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by pansi1951 on May 17th, 2012 at 11:42am
It's corporate whitey having a corporate melt down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GsqUZkmO-zk |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by skippy. on May 17th, 2012 at 11:44am john_g wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 7:50pm:
You don't seem to understand john, some people thrive on multi sox/personalities on these forums. It is their intention to make it look like they are different people with similar views in order to further their argument. one or two people are renown over multiple forums for doing this, the poster that uses the matty ID is just one of them. Many of them get banned then turn back up as a knew ID while others, like the matty personality happily carry on with multi IDs to make their argument look like it has support. It isn't hard to pick the characteristics of their posts, that mixed with the facts they often make mistakes like answering a post with one ID that was addressed to a different ID. corporate whitey was banned a couple of weeks ago and turned up as PREVAILING immediately, he was easy to spot, even one of the mods pointed it out. Same thing happened with longweekend a couple of weeks ago he turned up as borntorule after his longweekend ID was suspended. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 17th, 2012 at 12:33pm
"Matty" is here... who ever the f**k it is lol
The Australian Government want to suck all the money out of hard working Australians and give it to imbeciles who don't work or illegal immigrants to live in luxury areas... make sense?.... if it does then you're a fu**ing id!ot like the rest of the Labor party and its friends. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 12:45pm CommonSense wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:33pm:
If I can elaborate here; Matty is saying that he supports the Coalition policy on asylum seekers and backs our current refugee intake. He is a strong advocate of Australia's international treaty obligations and, along with Phillip Ruddock, supports the work of Amnesty International. Indeed, Matty often wears an Amnesty lapel pin and donates to World Vision to assist those most in need around the globe. Matty has also attended a number of refugee fundraisers in Hornsby and Ryde - near the shops. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by skippy. on May 17th, 2012 at 12:53pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:45pm:
matty is also a strong advocate for animal welfare, which is ther reason he joined the GREENS, but when he found out they were an environmental party he switched to the Liberals. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 17th, 2012 at 12:54pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:45pm:
To be fair to Matty, its you who has created this idiocy. You've also pretended to be Pakistani and another time to be a Vietnam Vet. None of which are remotely true so I think you're best off just keeping your head down. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by pansi1951 on May 17th, 2012 at 1:01pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:45pm:
Matty is a modern day maverick, he's probably been away for the last week building houses for the refugees with his bare hands. There's few as multicultural and open minded as our dear matty. I say 'dear' because I'm like an aunty to him. There's been many a time during his political career that he's come to aunty for advice, like when he had that ill fated relationship with the red headed one. We all feel a bit bad for matty, but he will be somebody one day you know. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by lisa.greek on May 17th, 2012 at 1:04pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:45pm:
I also noticed him at "Lavenders" the other day with Alan Jones. They seemed to be getting on like a hoot! Lavenders has toned down their menu because Alan has stated the carbon pricing scheme will increase costs by 50%. Matty seemed worried that Alan may not be able to afford the exisitng prices. Then, Alan Matty and a nice policeman went into a men's convenience - |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 1:07pm skippy. wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:53pm:
Exactly. Matty will be the champion of our four-legged friends within the party. He will meet with Mr Abbott regularly to discuss animal welfare issues. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by john_g on May 17th, 2012 at 1:11pm skippy. wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 11:44am:
You're probably right that some do it, skippy, but I don't think that it's fair to accuse someone of something, when there is no proof, and they may just be someone with a similar opinion. When I first posted on here, I was accused of being someone else. I can't remember the exact name, but it was frustrating to be accused of something/someone that I wasn't. In direction relation to Matty, I haven't seen him on for ages. Do you know whether or not he was banned? I would have no idea. I do think that he gets far more flack than he actually deserves. In regards to longy, I didn't see that poster, borntorule, but is s/he still on here? Finally, as for Prevailing/corporate whitey, there are definite similarities there, I never thought about that, but don't think that it is fair to accuse them if they profess "innocence", for lack of a better word. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 1:11pm lisa.greek wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 1:04pm:
Really? You should send this into the spot the celebrity column in the gossip section of the Tele. It's true that the carbon tax will increase prices by over 50% across the board. If Matty is lunching with Alan, I'd say he's a step away from preselection. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 1:24pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 1:01pm:
Juliar? Thank heavens we put our foot down over that little escapade. I'm afraid I was forced to give that woman a piece of my mind - not something I enjoy doing, I must say, but what she did to Matty was unforgivable. He's still getting over it. Meanwhile, she continues to post her slurs and lies on this site. She's just a power groupie, a gold-digger. It's not uncommon within the Liberal Party - older women past their prime targetting young, up-and-coming politicians. I have no idea why Matty continues to respond to her. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by skippy. on May 17th, 2012 at 1:29pm john_g wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 1:11pm:
Matty is his own worst enemy. when matty first stated here he claimed to be a member of the GREENS he kept that up for months, UNTIL he finally admitted IT WAS A LIE. I haven't seem borntorule post since longweekends suspension was over, I'm not the only one that picked him as longweekend, many did. As for prevailing, I don't think he professed innocence, it was hard to, he answered me as if he were corporate whitey then realised his mistake. ;D |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by pansi1951 on May 17th, 2012 at 1:32pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 1:24pm:
The other red headed one lol What is it with matty and red heads? Playing one against the other, no wonder he fits into politics so well. Has matty got red hair karnal? you'd know for sure, wouldn't you? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 1:33pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:54pm:
Excuse me, I find your inference here offensive and an insult to all veterans. Are you saying Pakistanis can't go off to fight against the Viet Cong and defend Australia from threats from abroad? On what basis? Their race? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 17th, 2012 at 1:34pm skippy. wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 1:29pm:
How would you even know LW was suspended? I understand sometimes your comments skippy, but a lot of the time you are wildly guessing mate. You'd have no more idea than I if someone was suspended. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 17th, 2012 at 1:34pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 1:33pm:
History I suppose. Pakistan wasn't in the Vietnam conflict. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 1:35pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 1:32pm:
He keeps changing it, Pansi. I'm not sure what colour it is this month. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 1:37pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 1:34pm:
How about the British Empire? I hope you recall that part of our great history. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 17th, 2012 at 1:38pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 1:37pm:
Great Britain? We also weren't in the Vietnam conflict. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by john_g on May 17th, 2012 at 1:38pm skippy. wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 1:29pm:
I know, I remember that 30 page or so thread. Still, I don't see why he deserves to be made fun of as others are doing on this thread. He apologised for lying about that. I do think that he is naive, but definitely not dumb, and his views are really out there, but he seems like a nice enough kid, and do remember that he is only 21. I just did a quick search, and born to rule last posted on here on May 4, so almost two weeks ago. A lot of his posts do seem uncannily like longy's, so I see what you mean. Has longy said anything on the matter. As for Prevailing/Corporate Whitey ;D, that is funny. I do wonder why some people do feel the need to make multiple accounts. I mean, why bother? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 1:53pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 1:38pm:
I thought you were an Aussie. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 17th, 2012 at 2:00pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 1:53pm:
A Dual National has two masters. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by skippy. on May 17th, 2012 at 2:07pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 1:34pm:
He didn't post for over a week, the whole time he was away borntorule showed up, then when longwhine returned borntorule disappeared. Even the mods joked about it. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 3:32pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 2:00pm:
What about Sewth Effrica? Three, isn't it? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 4:08pm
Hong Kong - four.
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 5:11pm
Amerika?
Five. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 17th, 2012 at 5:19pm
Two.
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 5:20pm
Only two? You should have no problem with a Vietnamese Pakistani then.
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by corporate_whitey on May 17th, 2012 at 5:25pm
You got to love the propaganda of the Corporate Maggot and the Government - they have a hide thicker than than lead -while they deal, profit and trade in every kind of moral filth, vice and debauchery they have the hide to point the finger of accusation at the working classes and the batters. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by adelcrow on May 17th, 2012 at 5:27pm corporate_whitey wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:25pm:
Bloody baby stealing gay freemason moon men |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by corporate_whitey on May 17th, 2012 at 5:35pm
Pokies, whore houses, fast food burger chains, pubs, KFC, Taxable Drug Injection and dealing houses, & speed cameras on every street corner in every working class suburb all for the profit of the Vice dealing Western Government, the Corporate Maggot and the Syphilis ridden Australian Aristocracies Welfare... :D ::) :P
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by adelcrow on May 17th, 2012 at 5:41pm
I blame the ghost of Princesss Di
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by corporate_whitey on May 17th, 2012 at 5:47pm
I just lay the blame where it belongs - the Western Government, the Corpiotate Maggot and the Australian aristocracy who trade in and live off the proceeds Vice and filth that they peddle in working class suburbs. 8-)
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 6:33pm
Matty, we know that these dole bludgers are vile types who live off our valuable tax dollars.
What should we do, however, with the political student crowd who attend university, get Austudy, and spend all their time trying to overthrow the government that pay for their keep? Many of them think they're better than us even though we pay for their fees, textbooks, takeaway and internet. Personally, I think Mr Abbott should step in and do something when he becomes PM. Thoughts? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by pansi1951 on May 17th, 2012 at 6:59pm
Tony won't put up with people getting educated. There will be no mucking around at uni when Tony gets in, everyone down the mines, there's work to be done.
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by adelcrow on May 17th, 2012 at 7:02pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 6:59pm:
Victorian England is Tony Abbotts great inspiration..kids down mines, the disabled in workhouses, rich people using the poor as unpaid servants...it will be so grand |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2012 at 9:17pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 6:59pm:
I don't think people who intent to become specialists should be included here, Pansi. After all, they will be making at least $180,000 per annum when they complete their studies. They should be subsidized accordingly. I think we should protect people who, one day, will earn big incomes and employ cleaners, gardeners, lawn mowers, leaf rakers, etc, and maybe bring a little wife in from overseas as well. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by CommonSense on May 18th, 2012 at 10:13am Mattyfisk wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
Firstly and honestly.. what is matty? lol. I'm new on here and i have absolutely no idea what anyone is talking about lol But I absolutely agree with you. There should be a limited time that hard working people pay for the schooling of others or for dole bludgers. For example, give the dole bludgers 3 months to find a job if they don't then bad luck they get $0... Obviously when it comes to schooling it's a grey area but I think it depends on the course, if they are doing a teaching degree (generally 4 years full time) they get assisted for 4 years from the start date. If they choose to do it "part-time" and it takes 5 years for example then they pay for that extra year out of their own money. I bet they'll get it done within 4 if you were to enforce that rule. People expanding there qualifications eg Maters etc... Pay for that themselves too. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2012 at 10:22am CommonSense wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 10:13am:
That's what happens now, CommonSense. Do you go to uni? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Peter Freedman on May 18th, 2012 at 3:02pm
Hi Common Sense and thanks for your thoughts. Unfortunately you come across as a pretty bitter, resentful extreme rightwing individual.
You write in sweeping generalisations. Everyone on the dole is a "bludger"? Do these words always fit together in your mind? That's sad. Who are the "illegal immigrants" you talk about? How about enjoying your life without being constantly resentful of others? |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by warrigal on May 20th, 2012 at 8:59am
so now we dole bludger bash university students getting a education.
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Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by warrigal on May 20th, 2012 at 9:06am
as quoted
But I absolutely agree with you. There should be a limited time that hard working people pay for the schooling of others or for dole bludgers. For example, give the dole bludgers 3 months to find a job if they don't then bad luck they get $0... [/quote] So in your oppinion its alright for Trained and Qualified person just to be kept unemployed. I am being told too just take a Disability support pension now. why should I have to do that. There are JOBS out There, there are Employers screaming for workers. why then is it so hard to put people into Jobs /Employment. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 20th, 2012 at 9:03pm warrigal wrote on May 20th, 2012 at 9:06am:
Matty is currently studying a degree in medical sciences: 3 years. He then wants to study medicine: 6 years. After that, he wants to study to become a specialist: at least 2 more years, depending. Most are longer. 11 years of full-time study (not including on-the-job training in multi-million dollar university hospitals if he passes his exams). Matty is becoming a specialist to earn $180,000 per annum. But what happens if Matty doesn't like being a specialist? What happens if he faints at the sight of blood? Medical training doesn't come cheap. Matty's entire specialist training would cost more than one person being on Newstart for their entire life. Still, Matty isn't doing it for the prestige, he's in it for the money. Hopefully he'll earn the big bucks and pay it off in HECS. If he has a nervous breakdown, he won't be paying anything off. We'll be paying him. I.e, people working in bum jobs for chump change are paying their taxes so that Matty can earn the big bucks - IF he passes his exams and doesn't faint when he sees his first cadaver. Still, we need specialists. Let's all hope that in ten year's time we'll be celebrating Matty's graduation. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by pansi1951 on May 21st, 2012 at 6:37am
That makes sense.
First he goes into politics to break people, now he goes into medicine to fix them. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by warrigal on May 21st, 2012 at 6:48am Mattyfisk wrote on May 20th, 2012 at 9:03pm:
sounds like you have a personal dislike to this person matty What is the difference, if matty a new medical student does all these courses, to be a medical practicioner (A DOCTOR), then other courses to become a Specalist. Too a already established doctor (medical practisioner) then doing all these course to be come a specialist. nothing changes their, government, the people still pay for this |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 21st, 2012 at 9:56am warrigal wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 6:48am:
To clarify, I don't think we'd be paying for the post-grad study. This would have to come out of Matty's pocket, or his parents would need to pay. Unless he applied for post-grad fees HELP. So that's 9 years. On the contrary, I have a great deal of admiration for Matty. I would prefer to see him persue his political career than waste his time in this medicine racket. We had a plan, and Matty decided to throw in the towel to become a specialist. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by corporate_whitey on May 21st, 2012 at 10:17am Quote:
Because this is our country that's why you should, feel free to leave it. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 21st, 2012 at 10:41am corporate_whitey wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 10:17am:
Exactly. We could go back to Gondwanaland. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by corporate_whitey on May 21st, 2012 at 10:46am Mattyfisk wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 10:41am:
Well...he asked the question and I gave him the answer - this is our country, thats why he should, or he can feel free to leave. |
Title: Re: Why Should we? Post by Karnal on May 21st, 2012 at 10:48am corporate_whitey wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 10:46am:
Right. If you don't like tough answers, don't ask tough questions. |
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